9 years later FTM regrets transitioning

This is actually common and suicide among trans is extremely high.

This is why transitioning teens and younger is so horrifying.

Does it seem like FTMs tend to regret transitioning more than MTFs do?

R3 I think they are just more open to talking about it.

Gallus Mag was right. The whole movement is going down in flames in the next 10 or 15 years, when all the sterilized and mutilated kids finally understand what was done to them.

These famewhores never give up do they? Honestly this is where suicide is a relief to everyone. Bruce please seriously consider it before you kill another innocent person. I will thank you, my father will thank you, my mother will thank you and my sister will thank you.

R5 I can't wait for these mutilated children to get revenge on their parents and doctors for having done this to them. It'll be like a horror movie.

Someone had posted this video awhile back of 4 young women talking about detransitioning.

They fall into the category of abrupt onset gender dysphoria which has become an anorexia-like trend among teen girls. So, they are different than the small kids transed by their parents.

These girls succumbed to anti-lesbian messaging (often pushed by the trans community).

Plus, it is now way too easy for confused teens to get their hands on hormones (this also due to the trans community).

Ok, I am going to own my ignorance here, but what is the FTM bottom surgery? I’ve seen some porn with FTM, and they all still have vaginas with weird looking almost penis shaped clits (not sure how else to describe it). Am I missing something else that goes on down there with the bottom surgery?

What R8 is talking about is called Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria. It's the latest fad among kids to suddenly "realize" that they're trans.

The difference between this and other fads is that the Transgender Lobby has already in many states passed laws making it illegal to "convert" a kid back to his biological sex. Instead, parents, teachers, therapists, medical personnel, must affirm the kid's new gender identity or risk legal punishment.

And almost immediately, the confused kid is fast-tracked into puberty blockers. Among many other ways for kids to get puberty blockers and hormones, Planned Parenthood allegedly gives puberty blockers within a few visits.

So, these kids who can't drive, have sex, vote, go to war, are allowed to decide to take dangerous drugs based on a fad and the people who care for them the most are legally unable to stop them.

Now I won't have ANY organs! It'll be like having a Barbie doll crotch!

I think on some level, transitioning can appear to be a cure-all. Once I do this, it will be better or once I get rid of this, it will be better. The person in the video is right, you have to be prepared for all the mental and physical hurdles as well as the your body trying to balance everything out. You also should have years of therapy before to make sure you really want to transition.

Your body wants balance and when you introduce something that is not supposed to naturally be there, it will try to rectify things to get back to being balanced. Even if your mind feels a a certain sex, your body, at its base level, will be what it was originally born as. You can try as much as you want to fight Mother Nature, but she always wins in the end.

The person in the video makes good points and I wish them well on their journey, but there really should be very strict oversight on who should be transitioning versus who should not.

R9, you can google F to M bottom surgery, but be forewarned that it is beyond gruesome.

In pictures I've seen, the girl's skin from wrist to elbow is taken off to make the flesh of the pseudo-penis, and then there is a fake boner put under it.

It is grotesque. It is malpractice. It is Frankenstein-ian.

And thanks to the Transgender Lobby, which includes formerly gay organizations repurposed to brainwash kids across the world into becoming trans (big $$$ to be made by Big Pharma/ Medical Industrial Complex), it's being done to girls every single day.

R13 There's a Belgian movie on Netflix about a girl who transitions called Girl. There's a scene where the doctor tells the girl and her father what to expect surgery-wise. He mentions that they may have to use part of her bowel to make a penis.

Any vids of MTF regrets like what R8 posted?

The closest I ever saw was a secret, undercover documentary made in Iran following the utterly tragic lives of Iranian gays who are given the option when caught of either death and gender reassignment surgery. It was utterly heartbreaking. The men were completely destroyed emotionally, mentally, and obviously physically. If I remember correctly, I think there was a title card at the end saying something about the percentage who are killed or commit suicide post surgery, and lamenting that this (death or gender reassignment surgery) isn’t recognised as a valid claim for asylum.

This doc is one of the reasons I cannot stand Andy Cohen - that Iranian bitch Lily on a Shahs reunion defended Iranian policy towards gays - pointing out to Andy “we even pay for your surgery to be a girl!” and Andy never responded to that.

Sorry for the tangent.

R15 that's terrible he didn't respond. And, of course, he was just given a GLAAD award!

R15 I haven't seen a video with a group of MtFs regretting transition. Only individual ones.

But I think that is because there is no trend of teen males coming out as MtFs and then a bunch of his male friends following suit.

I hope doctors can eliminate his physical pain and mental anguish. On a lighter note, he is fine as fuck. Even his voice is smooth. Maybe he'll find a soulmate who will support him in his journey. Is he gay?

[quote]Does it seem like FTMs tend to regret transitioning more than MTFs do?

[quote][R3] I think they are just more open to talking about it.

Which, in a nutshell, tells you all you need to know about who the "real women" actually are.

Poor kids being sold a bill of goods by social media.

Will those women in the video voices get higher now that they've laid off the testosterone?

r19, I also think it has a lot more to do with the reason for transitioning: the teen baby lesbians are doing it to escape their self-loathing or family's loathing or the extreme physical expectations on women that these butch girls cannot achieve; whereas men transitioning because they're either gay boys who are so extremely femme that the conservative culture surrounding them indicates they might as well be girls (and some self-loathing probably also plays a role) or str8 men who have a sexual fetish for appearing as women.

R21, possibly not. I remember another FtM detransition story where they said the voice damage was permanent.

I can’t imagine FTM ending in any way other than tragedy and regret. I’d love to hear stories otherwise. But no matter what questions you have about your gender identity, attaching a flesh stick to your vagina seems to guarantee and unsatisfying sex life. I understand it - I remember feeling at various points as a kid that I wanted to be a girl. Im retrospect, it was all about wanting to be “normal”.

@ R21 , Nope. The facial hair growth and vocal chages are both permanent effects from taking testosterone. What's happened is similar to male puberty, where the testosterone thickens the vocal chords. They won't slim down on their own, just because she's stopped taking T. But I wonder if those who have the money r insurance could go through a similar kind of speech therapy to that used by some of the trans identified males who want to mimic female tones?

The voices of MTFs never sound right.

I heard a MtF who had the speech therapy. Though they looked like a Caitlyn Jenner type - square jaw, tall, broad build - their voice sounded EXACTLY like a woman.

So, while they could never pass in person they definitely could pass over the phone.

The all think they will end up looking like Laith Ashley and ride out into the sunset.

"The voices of MTFs never sound right."

They sound like Munchkins.

I wonder if Laith had the bottom surgery?

No, Laith will not have bottom surgery. T.S. Madison asked him about it.

[quote]This is why transitioning teens and younger is so horrifying.

Exactly. Relationship with sexuality is complicated and changes throughout the course of a lifetime. Most teenagers would be astounded to know how differently they will feel about things in a few short years, and over the coming decades. But we are conditioned to expect instant gratification in our present society.

So much information about transitioning and the "trans lobby". There's no trans lobby but there are mental health and medical professionals that recognize the benefits and risks of helping people transition. It is actually very rare for people to regret transitioning. A true transgender person's sense of their gender is rather fixed once they hit adolescence. The effects if hormones are not permanent. I've seen a few FTM people go off hormones due to non-medical reasons and the body does start to revert. There are guidelines and protocols for anyone starting the transition process and most providers agree that they should have a minimum of 6 months therapy before hormones and therapy should continue through the surgery process, which should not happen until they've been out as trans for at least a year and on hormones for 6 months.

Dr. Renee Richard's expressed regret about transitioning but, unfortunately, millenials probably don't even know who (s)he is.

This trolling has been allowed to escalate on DL so long that comments like r5 are happening daily now. Specific threats towards specific people and a bunch of Trump supporters saying it's totally justified to kill all trans and this Breitbart article explains why.

I meant r6, but i had r5 on ignore already so I'm sure their post was a delight, too.

r27, I knew one in S.F. who was stunning, passed and sounded like a woman- she also took speech therapy. However, when she got tired or mad, the male would sneak out.

r35 is a russian troll confirmed.

What I've realized in the three or so years I've been reading these threads is that trans activists lie about everything. Witness R33

1. Puberty blockers and hormones are harmless- bullshit - bodies and minds have to go through puberty and puberty blockers like Lupron are under investigation by the FDA for the harm they've already caused. 16,000 + complaints on Lupron alone filed with the FDA.

I just wanna pee - bullshit - state and local legislation that destroys women's rights to safety and privacy in every women's space have already been passed, pushed by the Transgender Lobby. Now the Transgender Lobby is going for federal destruction of women's rights via the Equality Act.

Wanting to cut off your balls is not a sign of mental illness - bullshit - bodily mutilation will always be a sign of mental illness

Transgender "women" are the victimest victims that ever victimed - bullshit - according to statistics from pro-trans lobbies themselves, trans "women" are more likely to murder than be murdered.

I could go on, but suffice it to say that every single thing that comes out of the mouth or the typing fingers of a transgender activist is a lie.

[quote]the teen baby lesbians are doing it to escape their self-loathing or family's loathing or the extreme physical expectations on women that these butch girls cannot achieve

Sadly, I also suspect some are victims of sexual abuse who are doing it to feel “safe.”

Interesting that in R8 almost all of them claim reading about the topic on the internet helped convince them they were trans.

R31 Bottom surgery? You mean a hysterectomy?

Transmen refer to it as bottom surgery, r42.

Even though it's not technically on their bottoms?

And if trans-identified males were honest with themselves or with others, they wouldn't call themselves women. They would call themselves Men+.

R43 What? They want to grow a cock out of their bottoms? They really do know nothing about men

[quote]I knew one in S.F. who was stunning, passed and sounded like a woman- she also took speech therapy. However, when she got tired or mad, the male would sneak out.

I know some do turn out to be stunning and are highly convincing as female. But aren't they the minority? You do need the right body type to start with which excludes most men. Caitlyn had a highly successful surgery and does look good in pictures sometimes, but can't imagine how strange it must look in person.

Latih Ashley sounds much more exotic--and just as gender-neutral as "Laith"

I’m well versed in gender identity issues and have worked alongside many people who identify as trans and the amount of ignorance in here is horrifying. I’ve reviewed study after study (and teach about this) that found that MTF adults and FTM adults who transitioned in adulthood are satisfied with the outcome. One problem is how society treats them afterward, however. Check studies on google scholar and educate yourselves rather than jumping on a hateful bandwagon based on a few anecdotes. Not all of the trans movement is a bad thing as long as it isn’t taken to extremes, which you all seem to think means that no one who transitions is happy, which simply isn’t true.

Why are they so desperate to push PIV-essentialism that they're willing to permanently alter women's bodies to do it?

R48 Then why do suicide rates go up after transition?

Also, this will be easy for you to provide, links to long term, peer reviewed research into the effects of sex hormones on opposite sexed bodies

AND

Links to long term peer reviewed research into the effects of 'puberty blocker, (sic) on pubescent bodies.

Thank you in advance

At a family reunion recently my cousin’s daughter had changed her name and I was told she is gender fluid. She connected with me about music, but she seemed like a girl who was just going through puberty but not enjoying it. Last I heard she was in a psych ward but doing better. She is about 14 years old.

R48 huh, fascinating...a study below that says the opposite than what you claim about suicide risk.

And where are YOUR sources?

I linked to a review (of several studies) about mental health of people who transition. Might want to read it.

R50

Longterm hormone effects.

Where’s the meta-analysis or review of research that suggests that suicide rates go up across several studies? The post before cotes an article that shows a decrease in suicidality after transition.

R52 The Swedish study shows the suicide rate goes up, no research has ever proven otherwise. BUT, that was not what I want, you stated this is all safe, so prove it ....again....

Also, this will be easy for you to provide, links to long term, peer reviewed research into the effects of sex hormones on opposite sexed bodies

AND

Links to long term peer reviewed research into the effects of 'puberty blocker, (sic) on pubescent bodies.

Thank you in advance

These anti trans threads almost make me miss all the intactavist ones from last year. Why do you care so much? Obsessed? It’s not changing anyone’s mind. Seriously, chill TFO. New topics: Look, that Dylan guy has a new haircut....must be back with xxx Or Taylors song Me is about us

[quote] One problem is how society treats them afterward, however.

What they want is for people to ignore the fact that humans are a sexually dimorphic species, and no one can change sex. Even if they do a full transition, there is no 'there' there, no matter what sort of tortuous mental gymnastics they do, that is the truth. So people may be polite, some people will bend over backwards to help them change their birth certificate, let them into women's washrooms, and pump them full of hormones, but other people are getting sick and tired of playing along with the trans fantasy.

R54 you didn’t even read the UK study about suicide. Transition “greatly decreased” suicidal ideation, which you just said no study supported—wrong. And Where’s your “proof?”

I already linked the hormone article but apparently you are ignoring every study link I post. Have the decency to read the articles before answering...

*suicide attempts AND ideation reduced after transition, rather

[quote]but there really should be very strict oversight on who should be transitioning versus who should not.

NO ONE should be "transitioning"!

Y’all need to live and let live and let people make their own decisions about their bodies instead of judging.

"Y'all"? Yeah , ok "fam". Live and let live. Because transgenderists are all about "Live and let live". . . Oh, and 'not judging'. Yep, that's the twanz movement, for sure.

R55 is against circumcision but for penile inversion? Can you say "cognitive dissonance," boys and girls?

Yikes. I know that the man-made synthetic hormones in women's birth control methods can cause some harmful side effects so I can only imagine what these synthetic hormones are doing for trans people. This method of treating transgender people is not helping them and looks to me to be a psychiatric disorder. I think they have a hard time accepting the fact that no one can change nature or biology. Scientists and doctors are using ill people as guinea pigs and some of the surgeries and medication looks brutal and barbaric. I'm sorry but I can't imagine cutting off a penis as not being a horrible experience.

MTF are really just feminized men. There is no drug or surgery on the planet that can change a man into a woman or a woman into a man. The methods they undergo are just making them feminine or masculine. No man on the planet knows what it's like being a woman in mind, spirit, and body and it's the same the other way around. I feel sorry for the younger generation who are participating in this trend of being confused and changing sex or being non-gender at all. To think about what kids are going to feel in the future with this trans, non-gender fluid thing, my Dad was a sperm bank donor, etc. Good luck lol. Most kids can't even take being adopted lmao.

[quote]NO ONE should be "transitioning"!

Caterpillars transition. Humans don't!

Here’s a documentary about three MTFs regretting transitioning.

I was sympathetic until they tried to take over women's sports.

^^^^^Go back to 4chan you loser, along with your MAGA cap wearing mates.

Trans activists claim that people who detransition aren't really trans. Bullshit.

I had a friendly who recently came out as trans. I pretend to be supportive but I know they're not really trans. They've put a heavy focus on having a preference for male clothing but as for gender dysphoria they don't seem to have it. I don't think you can be trans without having dysphoria. I think they're just unhappy about stuff in their life and they've convinced themselves that they're trans and if they transition that they'll be happy but I think it'll just make them unhappy in other ways.

Friend^

I had high hopes for Arielle Scarcella, but she still doesn't get it.

[quote]Yikes. I know that the man-made synthetic hormones in women's birth control methods can cause some harmful side effects so I can only imagine what these synthetic hormones are doing for trans people. This method of treating transgender people is not helping them and looks to me to be a psychiatric disorder. I think they have a hard time accepting the fact that no one can change nature or biology. Scientists and doctors are using ill people as guinea pigs

I fear it's a ticking time-bomb. I took Propecia for many years, and it's only now that data is coming out via long term research that beta-blockers can damage the brain and spinal cord by inhibiting the repair of myelin-sheathing (the waxy coating that protects the electrical impulses of the nerve). So I just stopped taking it.

The endocrine system is a delicate piece of machinery and we're fooling ourselves if we think we know all the mysteries about it, let alone the effects that newly synthesized hormone suppressing chemicals can cause. I do think that damage to the nervous system could explain some of the extreme forms of agitation and combativeness we have been seeing from some transgender persons lately.

R7w good point, because they do seem more combative than the average man. I wonder why that isn't true for ftm though, they are on all that testosterone, so you'd think it would be.

R72 I meant alpha-blockers in that post, not beta-blockers.

They were "wrong" about being trans? Really, Scarcella? You better get around and tell all the trans organisations and gender clinics about this new development. Because they're all demanding an end to "gatekeeping", insisting that the only correct approach in treating children/adults who are questioning or experience discomfort or distress related to the gender expectations placed on them due to their sex, is "Affirmation Only". "Kids know best" they say, to schools and parents of kids exhibiting unhappiness with restrictive sex role stereotypes. The rest of society is told to believe them at face value, never question, and again, "affirm" only.

But now you're saying these women weren't trans. They were "wrong". Which is it? Everyone who says they're trans must be transitioned, no gatekeeping, or sometimes "dysphoria" has other causes, and therapists need to take their clients/patients through a careful process so that they're receiving the best possible care and not misdiagnosed or given inappropriate treatment.

Tl;dr Make your mind up TRAs-1. Either "gender is innate and immutable" or sometimes people change their minds. and 2. Either everyone who says they're trans ARE trans, or sometimes, they're not.

Yet, it has no regrets about those awful tattoos.

R74 Although there has been concern about Propecia and demyelination, Propecia is not an alpha blocker. It is an 5 alpha-Reductase inhibitor, aka a DHT blocker.

I wanted to clarify in case someone taking an alpha blocker (usually for blood pressure) was alarmed by the information about demyelination of neurons. This is not a side effect of alpha blockers.

^Wrong link.

DAMMIT!

Trans rage.

[quote] man-made synthetic hormones in women's birth control methods can cause some harmful side effects

R63/R72 I’m so relieved and glad someone brought this up. As a 16/17 year old I was given a birth control/acne pill and it sent me down such a dark depressive spiral I almost killed myself. I could feel my organs shutting down and my blood congealing and my skin shrivelling on this drug, stg. It scared the shit out of me and I haven’t touched a drug or gone to a doctor since. I learned later that the pill my female Doc has casually handed me without caveat was originally an experimental chemo drug they couldn’t sell as fully efficacious so they just rebranded it. I lost five good years of my youth to the hell this drug unleashed. I can’t even name it though because bots and trolls are everywhere.

It’s the same thing as giving women HRT. All the same bullshit designed to cripple women medically because it no longer works to do so politically or economically.

Better a transed kid than a gay one!

This is why Johns Hopkins halted “sex change” surgeries long ago...poor outcomes. Meaning, suicide attempts did not decrease post-op.

Gender is bullshit. It oppresses women & gays. Instead of liberating us from it, T ideology strengthens it.

T ideology is an anti-gay backlash. People who still harbor anti-gay sentiment feel pressured to embrace gays outwardly even though inwardly they still hate it.

And that is why they’re encouraging tomboys to get double-mastectomies & effeminate boys to get castrated.

It’s impossible to change sex. These kids are being lied to. Using male pronouns & chopping off breasts will not protect any trans boy from rape. Using female pronouns & wearing make-up does not make Bruce Jenner a woman.

This pronoun bullshit is dangerous to gays...we must protect baby gays from butchering homophobes.

R38, I’ve always suspected Putin was behind this social contagion that has brought chaos to the west & exploits our cultural homophobia & misogyny.

He’s weaponized social media & is a master of propaganda. And he hates gays & women.

R55 can’t stand free speech...any criticism against T ideology must be censored.

He knows that if the masses learn the TRUTH they will correctly snap out of accepting this madness.

Have you ever noticed that it’s gays & women, especially gay women, that the Ts attack? Never do they attack the incels who kill women. They can’t attack men because they are men...and trans rights activism is synonymous with men’s rights activism.

Lol r61...they can’t let women have any privacy...even though women are brutally exploited by men daily, hourly, minute-by-minute...all over the world.

Only women get to decide who uses the women’s restrooms. It’s impossible to change sex. Transwomen are men.

Lesbians don’t have penises.

[quote]Y’all need to live and let live and let people make their own decisions about their bodies instead of judging.

You sound young and naive. It's not that simple, honey. As another poster stated, I too was sympathetic to their plight (even though as a gay man I can't relate), but their militant ways and stubborn insistence on infringing on women's spaces and sports has rubbed me the wrong way! And they seem totally oblivious to the chaos they're causing. All they care about is getting what they want. Who cares who/what it hurts?

So, it's not as simple as live and let live.

The Labor party in Australia is proposing major changes to the concept of "gender":

Fuck you and fuck your anti-trans bullshit, OP.

Why is talking about and giving a voice to detransitioners anti-trans bullshit r89?

Surely their experiences are as valid as anyone's?

Yes, r46, for a caucasian male, she was a little shorter, with a slim build, much like Asians, who pass very well. I had an Asian co-worker transition (I may have partly been at fault, because I made up him for Halloween as a woman, and he was gorgeous), and passed immediately to the point that she was able to get her driver's license changed to female (which back in the 90's was very difficult).

The amount of elective surgeries that are available are gobsmacking. Shaving down Adam's apples, nose job, shaving jaw and chin, removing a rib, adding silicone hips or ass, slimming down the calf muscle- basically everything the Koreans are doing now. I think that Gigi Gorgeous person is the personification of every elective surgery that one can have as a trans.

One of my clients took me to a female trans bar, and the most convincing ones were the ones that looked like old lesbians. Everyone else literally look like drag queens.

R91 but you don't think Gigi passes, right?

I have seen one trans I consider to be passable not just in looks but in an area that is much more difficult. Behavior and personality. This is important because now everyone hears so much about trans they will default to thinking about it if a person's behavior seems off.

MTF, FTM trans - can they still have orgasm though?

But I've heard MTF trans' vaginas are really smelly like dead fish. True?

I don't think they should be discriminated against. I think they should use whatever bathroom they want, but I don't think governments should pay for this surgery in anyway and I don't think people under the age of 18 or maybe even 21 should be allowed surgeries.

The bathroom laws should go back to the way they were. They worked fine. If you can successfully pass AND if you mind your own business, then use the bathroom.

But if you are a Caitlyn Jenner-type, as most trans are, then no, you need to use either the men's room or a single-user bathroom.

r92, maybe in photos, but I have seen her in person, and she borderline passes-she's too flamboyant in her mannerisms and the voice is a dead giveaway- that weird helium effect. It's hard because the makeup/hair/fashion for the kids today skews towards the drag esthetic (Kardashians, IG makeup trends, et al).

R96 I haven't seen Gigi in person. I saw a live video where Gigi was sitting next to Katy Perry and that's when I realized that Gigi didn't pass. At least to me.

R94, transgender can use the men's bathroom and any woman who's fine with using a bathroom with men can use the men's bathroom too. Lib fems have at it - you think it's WOKE to share the bathroom with men, then SHARE THE BATHROOM WITH MEN.

If the risk is male violence to trans, then that's men's problems to sort out amongst themselves. Women have nothing to do with male-on-male violence, so why should any woman's safety be at risk because men can't stop themselves beating up another man wearing makeup?

Beyond that, none of us get to "live our truth" every second of our lives. If trans really fear being beaten up for wearing a dress, then don't fucking wear a dress outside your front door.

Or work to change society so you can wear a dress, but your feelings don't trump women's lived reality.

Yeah, r97 I meant that she borderline passes if she keeps her mouth shut. As soon as she speaks, nope.

R5, all the law suits will put the kabash on all the insanity. People are going to realized they were completely screwed by the medical profession and their parents.

The crazies are going after Buck now for supporting medical studies, detransitioners and using the term transsexual amongst other things.

Guess they come for everyone eventually.

Hahaha...T is obviously a cult. It has nothing to do with “live & let leave”.

It’s all about obedience.

Interesting typo,,, I meant “live & let live. “. But I was thinking they’re like a cult in that YOU CAN NEVER LEAVE

Trans is a cult and it's supported by a stunning number of straight people who are prob clueless on what it actually means to be transgender. I have young kids and I can't believe how hungry parents are to label tomboys and boys in dresses as trans. My oldest is 10 and I've met at least 5 kids who were labeled by their parents as transgender, one as young as 3 and another 4.

I think a lot of people on here aren't around kids so don't get how pervasive the Trans Cult is at schools. I know three trans-identified kids (one of whom, thankfully, sorted herself out) and know of a few more.

One of them is brilliant, troubled, possibly a bit on the spectrum as 7-10% of trans kids are. He in his early twenties now and insists he's always been a woman, to the surprise of everyone, including his very liberal parents who never saw any signs of womanhood (whatever that means) before the last year.

Oh, and he's a lesbian.

He did go to one of the most loosey-goosey SJW schools out there, so his parents speculated that this is social contagion as it has been for so many other troubled kids.

His parents could not be better, more understanding people, who are going along with it 100% but are baffled and hurt at his anger at them. He was a good, sweet, quiet, extremely bright boy and now he's this angry, cross-dressing, lesbian obsessed with starting cross-sex hormones.

Transitioning is the new dumping ground for mental health problems and Trans, Inc., is more than happy to prey on these kids.