Chinese media outs student whose family paid $6.5 million to get her into Stanford

I said this in another thread:

This was kind of my initial thought when the story broke.

TENS of THOUSANDS of Chinese students are at US universities because their families paid huge amounts of money, and they in effect cheated their way in.

sorry folks, stanford needs the scratch.

Damn she has flawless skin Is she a media influencer too!

This is NO different to legacy students.

Try again, r4

True r5, but I kinda get r4's point.

Me too, r6; I'm against both, obviously. But one has legal consequences.

And the Chinese have been cheating egregiously for years, in addition to the $$$. Chinese students in US schools have set up very elaborate cheating rings. that mostly fly under the radar.

R3, with his priorities straight.

My question is, when are the universities going to be held accountable? They sure know these scams are going on, yet they are untouchable for some reason.

I agree with R9. The Universities are participating and the light of exposure needs to shine on them too.

R9 anyone/anything with $$$ in the US is untouchable. It's all rigged.

R11 types like a poor.

Not that Stanford needs the money, but a lot of universities would be in dire straits without the money from international students. Even without any nefarious action, all international students pay the sticker price, whereas often American students don't.

Trumps' father paid his way in to Wharton or he would not have any degree. Why isn't that ever brought up?

When he graduated Fordham University with a barely C average he was not accepted to Wharton. So his father offered a large donation and he was then accepted as a transfer student. Very common knowledge here in NYC back then right as this unethical cheating scam was taking place. Two of his former professors who came forward about a year ago said Trump was the worst student they ever had. One said they suspected he paid a professional writer to write and type his term papers.

Same for Ivanka. Like father, like daughter. She also graduated Fordham with a C average and Trump paid her way into Wharton so she could transfer there even though she didn't have the grades/GPA to get accepted. When she didn't attend classes, as skipping most of her classes was her routine, her grades dropped. But of course, again, daddy came to the rescue. He offered the University another few million dollars donation/bribe to allow her to graduate Summa Cum Laude (Highest Honors) which angered the other students who were aware of this and who had actually earned that highest honors distinction.

But the stupid deplorables think the Trumps are brilliant. And also that Melania has a degree in architecture when she does not have any degree. She had even stated that herself in 2006 when she mentioned she dropped out in her first year of some Slovenian University to pursue a modeling career. She actually stated that herself in an interview while engaged to Trump and then years later, while he was campaigning, said she had graduated, this after openly sharing years earlier that modeling was so important to her she dropped out of school after completing her first year. I guess liars don't remember their lies. That is, the modeling career that never took off. But that's a whole other story. Stupid, gullible deplorables.

These quid pro quo "donations" have to stop. Donations should only be permitted and accepted if their is no personal gain or self-serving benefit from the donor, otherwise it's a bribe, not a donation. A bribe that should be illegal. And we should start calling it what it really is, a bribe, and avoid sugarcoating the truth with the word donation.

It's not fair to the students who earned their way in and the students with high GPA's who were rejected because they couldn't shell out millions and pay their way in the door. The schools get plenty of donations from wealthy alumni and corporations. It's bullshit that they need to accept these private bribes in order to stay open. I call bullshit on that lie that seemingly has now become a belief.

It's not legacy admissions, but as a rule, grad students in programs worth attending (at least in the US) are paid to be there. Their tuition is waived and they get a stipend in return for teaching or research.

Not so with the vast majority of Chinese nationals studying in the US, at least in technical and scientific fields of study: they pay. Which must explain why so many of them are pursuing PhD's but can barely speak English.

[quote]Not so with the vast majority of Chinese nationals studying in the US, at least in technical and scientific fields of study: they pay. Which must explain why so many of them are pursuing PhD's but can barely speak English.

This is very untrue.

All this anti-Chinese racism is disgusting. Of course, there are Chinese cheats, just as there are American cheats. But the vast majority of Chinese students are qualified and work hard.

r17, there is a big difference between Chinese students across socioeconomic groups in China, and the children of Chinese elite who pay thousands of dollars to come study at American universities.

Can you really not separate genuine anti-Chinese racism from criticism of people with grotesque amounts of money gaming the system (who mostly made that money on the backs of CHINESE slave labor, by the way)?

The vast majority of Chinese students in the US - the children of wealthy Chinese parents - pay full price for tuition. A number of state schools, in particular, are recruiting full-pay Chinese students to increase declining financial support for higher ed from state governments. Read about the issues these policies are causing in places like Urbana-Champaign.

A significant number of Chinese students in the US cannot speak English. Read what their professors write on the subject. And a number of accusations of anti-Chinese racism on US campuses seem, strangely enough, to originate in Chinese consulates here in the US, as in, "How dare UCSD to invite the Dalai Lama to speak?"

The whole family should go into the forest and commit hari Kari for the shame. It’s a Chinese custom that should be more popular in the US.

Um, that's Japan, Einstein @ r20

R20 I thought it was Japanese, Chinese don't have shame, much like Americans.

Hari Kari is absolutely Japanese. r20 must have cheated to get into college.

Anytime these stories break the students on the Stanford subreddit always defend their university. It's interesting.

R24 why is that interesting? Half of them are there because of legal bribes aka donations.

r14

jarhead kush too, dad dropped a few millions to get the boy into school

A lot of college students bleed their schools color r24. You are basically brainwashed into this huge attachment to the place.

why would any school turn down that kind of money?

Like there’s any difference between these tiny Oriental peoples. Gimme a break.

The people who cheat are often the same people who want to end affirmative action. This is why I don't trust these affirmative action lawsuits.

R28: Their reputation?

Notice all the universities involved have big "brand" names. They are trying to foist their kids into Bowdoin or Amherst.

Racist DL Baby Boomers like to stereotype all Chinese students. Lori Loughlin cheated so all white Americans must be cheaters. Most Asian-Americans like Andrew Yang and Dr. Priscilla Chan are the children of Chinese immigrants.

[quote] This is very untrue.

I actually knew a Chinese woman back in the 90s who had a PhD in chemistry. Her first love was literature, but she didn’t speak enough English to study literature, so she took chemistry because it was all symbols.

R33 Why are you trying to conflate Chinese nationals and Asian-Americans?

R35 Because some racist faggots like R29 can't tell the difference.

There are many Chinese students at my elite private high school. They work hard and get into great US universities. It is sad that they will be tarnished by this scandal as well.

[quote]Why are you trying to conflate Chinese nationals and Asian-Americans?

Yeah, important not to conflate Americans who happen to be of chinese ancestry and chinese nationals who apply as international students. They are two completely different subjects.

has it been shown that Stanford U. itself received any of the filthy Chinese lucre? Maybe there were some officials/coaches who were bribed (like Yale) but didn't the scumbag "facilitator" get most?

Chinese family: Here's 6.5 million for 1 student Stanford: O.K sure

r40, thats too much money to turn down

R39/R40 Stanford didn't get anything (in this case) except the student's tuition. The coach, and Singer's "foundation," got all the money.

Ancient Chinese secret.

Cheating on standardized tests is rampant in Asia. I'd be skeptical of ANY foreign asian student's test scores.

The Chinese should have free tuition in America.

It is well-known in the standardized testing industry that there are organized cheating rings to get students in Asia good scores on tests like the TOEFL and IELTS so that they can attend college or grad school in English-speaking countries.

Why would it be acceptable for a college to accept "donations", don't they already charge tuition? Is there some need to pave the streets with gold over there?

Colleges need all the money they can get. Many students don't pay full tuition. Colleges often use donations for campus renovation or scholarships.

Not all these colleges need all the money they can get. Stanford has tons of money. So does Harvard and the big old universities of the Ivies and the non-Ivy elites like MIT and Northwestern. All of them are in the habit of raising tuition every year regardless of the rate of inflation. They got into the bad habit of doing this when more money for student loans became available and have gone aggressively after full-pay international students--i.e. particularly the Chinese and Indians. Universities don't *need* endless new buildings and layers of overpaid bureaucrats--the result of $1.5 trillion in student debt and taking the legal bribes, er donations, of the rich.

The main victims are the kids who are good students with parents who make enough that they don't get big tuition breaks. I know a kid from California who had high test scores and a 4.0 who didn't even get into UC Santa Cruz--not enough APs. Meanwhile, the UC flagships--Berkeley and UCLA have more than 20 percent of the student body coming from out-of-state--largely overseas.

Universities need to get back to their mission--teaching kids and in the case of the state schools, teaching the students in their states.

state schools like UNC, UVA and UT need the out of state students to bring up their SAT/ACT scores of enrollees, and hence National Rankings.

If they only took locals, they'd fall off the charts

R49, that's what Arizona State is doing, and they recently opened a campus in Los Angeles because the UC system is more like a network of private schools subsidized by public dollars and the CA community college system has all sorts of problems.

The legacy admissions tradition shouldn’t exist either: it was created in the 1920s to protect WASPs from being frozen out of elite schools by immigrants, particularly Jews.

But now legacy admissions probably greatly helps Jews. What is your point? R52

I feel like the world is trying to chip away at the little privilege that I have as a POC in the US. And it's often my side (liberals) that is chipping away at all the privileges I've earned.

R52, Legacy admits aren't simply about keeping people out--they didn't need to do that in the 1920s because they simply used quotas and capped the percentage of Jewish students openly. Legacies keep the alumni dollars flowing in and maintain the network that leads to generations of successful Ivy grads--connections mean you don't need brains--i.e. see the Kushners.

R54, actually the group that's really been taking it in the neck are unconnected generic white girls. More girls apply than boys and with US News now using diversity as a ratings factor, there's a push at a lot of traditionally white majority schools to push down that percentage. Kids with the biggest advantage: rich Latino kids--they have none of the adjustment issues of say, the kids of migrant workers, but they add to the school's diversity metrics. They're not competing against one another the way the Asian-American kids often are. Other kids with big advantage--children of educated African immigrants, all of the color and less of the defeatist attitude of many Black Americans.

Yes, R5, but R4 does have a point. These 2 methods only favor the children of the privileged. So, why not just make both ways "legal"?

Just give her the 6.5 million.....most people don't even retire with 6.5 million after a lifetime of work.

The most elegant way of solving the admissions problem would be to blow up the universities.

I like you, R58.

To her credit, she looks natural, no plastic surgery like many in her age group. She's pretty, too bad she's stupid. But I think she will do fine, she is loaded and not ugly. She won't have trouble finding a husband, that's the most important thing for Chinese parents, for their daughter to marry well.

[quote] —hint: one is legal

It should not be. Legacy student admissions should be investigated as much as these bribes.

Nothing will matter until the universities are penalized and a few college presidents go to jail.

Yes, that's like saying male circumcision is less barbaric than female because it's "legal."

So? They will still flunk out if they can't keep up and Stanford isn't Raytown Junior College.

If they flunk out, Stanford keeps the money. It's a win/win.

And stop kidding yourself that you ever had a chance to get into Stanford and the only reason you went to Raytown JC is because of someone else cheating

[quote] Legacy student admissions should be investigated as much as these bribes.

How can you tell a private university they aren't allowed to have legacy admissions if they want to?

I worked at an Ivy League grad school for several years, and there was a tremendous push to admit master’s students who could pay full tuition. PhD students got some funding, but their degrees weren’t fully paid for. Master’s students got nothing in the way of funds, and international students with funding (either from their families or from organizations in their home countries) were very likely to be admitted. I never saw any evidence of bribery to gain admission, but there were concerns raised internally about the number of students whose TOEFL scores didn’t match their academic performance. It was a pervasive problem in certain programs, but the overall attitude was that the unqualified paying students contributed toward funding for the PhD students.

Years later, I worked with someone who graduated from a master’s program at the school. She had no social skills and was literally too stupid to use a stapler, but came from a rich family and I’m sure had no problem paying for her degree.

Most international students can speak English very well, except for the Chinese. They are hard working but often can't master the English language. If American university admissions were a true meritocracy, many Chinese students wouldn't be admitted.

[quote]I worked at an Ivy League grad school for several years, and there was a tremendous push to admit master’s students who could pay full tuition. PhD students got some funding, but their degrees weren’t fully paid for. Master’s students got nothing in the way of funds, and international students with funding (either from their families or from organizations in their home countries) were very likely to be admitted.

After the San Diego State shootings, it was found that Chinese professors were giving what money they had to prop up Chinese enrollment.

It also caused the end of theses for Master's student in Cal State schools -- now they all do comprehensives

[quote] How can you tell a private university they aren't allowed to have legacy admissions if they want to?

By presenting hole, Rose.

R64, private colleges and universities receive huge amounts of public funds.

Legacy admissions don't guarantee admission. Children of professors also get preferential treatment. Should this practice also be investigated?

The federal government has issued nearly $1.5t -- as in 1.5 trillion dollars -- in loans for students to attend colleges and universities, including many private colleges and universities. Federal research grants from NIH or the National Science Foundation or wherever are nothing compared to the public largesse in the form of student loans that allow many kids to pay tuition to selective colleges and universities.

[quote] Children of professors also get preferential treatment. Should this practice also be investigated?

Yes of course. What part of equality, fairness, merit, and higher learning don't you get?

Her teeth look so fake. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Chinese person with rounded-bottom teeth like that.

Her dad is a billionaire. She can just do nothing for the rest of her life.

Everyone wants merit and "equality" until it negatively affects them. There is no such thing as fairness or equality. The entire education system in the US rests on inequality. R72

She doesn't need 6.5 million. She wants bragging rights of a name university which her family bought for her like a Rolex watch. Of course universities know this has been going on. Everyone is for sale. Why are individuals like Loughlin being scapegoated? It's really bizarre like in the #metoo movement. A few must give a pound of flesh while so many get off without a murmur.

To me it makes sense that a private university would give special consideration to children of people who went there. The reality is college admissions is an incredibly subjective process, there is literally no such thing as "fair". Is it fair that someone from North Dakota also has an easier time getting into private elite universities than someone from Connecticut? There is a lot that goes into their decision process.

Also obsessing over private universities like they are the only thing that matter just feeds into the system, what is so terrible about your local state school?

[quote]what is so terrible about your local state school?

the rethugs want them destroyed and won't fund them, See Madison WI, UNC Chapel Hill and UVA

don't forget what i did to Kansas

Please tell me Long Duc Dong didn’t use payola to enjoy his American dream!

lol r80

Fairness and equality are ideals to work towards, not to be simply abandoned. It's like democracy or justice. When did Americans become such cowed sheep?

All of these concepts are subjective and are constantly being debated. You just want universities and colleges to follow YOUR definition of equality and fairness. R82

The mom is saying the daughter git inon her own, and the donation eas made well after she had been accepted. More indictments will be announced in the next few weeks.

This scam has been going on for at least a decade. Some of the students involved are now in their late 20s/ early 30s and well on their way to having successful careers. I think they should be unmasked to their employers and coworkers as well.

These chinese students are crazy rich asians, they hire asian american students to do their homework, they are the canada goose/supreme/common projects wearing, bmw driving assholes on campus. And they do promote chinese propaganda in western countries.

Cheating assholes but nobody cant do anything because $$$

R76 "Why are individuals like Loughlin being scapegoated?"

Well, let's start with the more academically deserving kid who didn't get Olivia Jade's slot. Who didn't want it anyway, btw. Then there's the matter of giving a $500,000 donation to Singer's fake foundation to fund the bribe and then deducting it from her taxes - that's where the money laundering charges comes in.

Then there's just the general tackiness of it all but if you have to ask why she's being scapegoated, you'll never understand.

Sometimes pretty white women need to be sent to prison too. R76

Say what you will about Americans. At least we wouldn't let fly the shit that these bigots at the Univerisity of Toronto pulled. Look at the bile being spewed on this young lady's Instagram just because she is Tibetan. They actually circulated a petition to have her removed. WTF??!!

Ooh gurl!!

Yes r83 fairness is subjective.

Pewl Cweem!

What r86 said.

I teach at a public university with a fair number of undergraduates from China. One of my colleagues had a fortunate Chinese son in her class. He missed class because he totaled his Maserati.

Within a couple of weeks, his baba (father) had bought him another one.

Don't forget, too, that a lot of this Chinese money is the result of Chinese slave labor. That's what gets me when universities spin the Chinese presence as "diversity." Well, it's certainly not socioeconomic diversity.

“Globalism” is only for the rich in the US, where everything is for sale. Working class people aren’t allowed to buy affordable medication on the global market the way multinational profiteers can buy their way into colleges, move their industries overseas, park their money offshore in tax free accounts and buy US elections.

Punish the universities too.