Looking through Madonna's sex book for the first time, I never knew she gave men anilingus

whole book

eew omfg I'm scrolling through...there's a pic of her wearing only a thong or something with a white cotton tail on the back. There's what appears to be a dog lying on its back under her, as if implying it's...

what the hell was wrong with her? I mean sex between adult humans fine but to play with animal themes? weird as hell

OK this shit cracked me up and I have to say I agree lol

Is this Brian Austin Green?

She was going for shock value and it wasn't intended to be particularly erotic (I mean look at some of the unattractive people that appear with her in it and some of the pictures an scenarios) or jerk off material really.

It certainly got her a ton of attention at the time (although mostly negative). Her first real bad career misstep and the Erotica and to a lesser extent Bedtime Stories suffered from it.

R4 it’s vanilla Ice. I bought this when it came out.

this pic with Naomi Campbell and Big Daddy kane is hilarious. He looks left out lol

I had several college friends who bought it, and invariably their copies fell apart because of the shoddy ring binding.

I wish Herb Ritts photographed this. Steven Meisel made Madonna look harsh and unattractive.

Herb would have grounded the project and made it more sensual and fun.

Gay porn legend Joey Stefano also appears a few times in the book.

He's in this picture too, displaying hole.

OK just finished looking through. Most of the pics are downright stupid looking. I feel sorry for those who shelled out money to buy it back in the day. I'd have been annoyed. I'm glad I was only a little kid back then and can enjoy it now for free. I remember wondering what the big fuss was about as it made even the local news

R12 I feel sorry for those who were little kids in the 90s

For the time, it was very salacious and racy; her overall attitude on sexuality seemed both daring and exciting. While hard for some to understand, this was pre-internet and one's access to sexual images was mostly limited to actual pornograpy (which had to be purchased or rented at adult video stores or via mail order). Madonna was at her prime from a looks perspective and while this book was not a great move from a career standpoint - she looked gorgeous physically. Se was never going to have a worldwide "hit" with either this book or the Erotica album. Personally, I liked both - but I was in the minority. For a 12 yoa boy, this book was titillating. Seeing it now - I found it rather boring and just odd. It was a exciting period for her - she was the most popular/important star in the musical hemisphere and this era of her career was not intended to really dominate the charts IMO; she had already done that effectively.

Her dad must have been so proud.

The worst of the book was Madonna's idiotic writing. It was like a pre-teen's diary. The hype was unbelievable. I thought it would look like she had been photographed by Hurrell. It was crass, cringe-worthy and many shots were unflattering. And yes, the book fell apart after two viewings.

I recall all the hoopla surrounding this book, and then it was finally released to a big loud thud, and was panned in the press. After the release the book was further criticized for its shoddy production as copies were soon falling apart. All in all I'd say the book's release marked the end of Madonna's initial early-career peak.

I miss the 90s sooooo much. Shit was really happening then, in all genres.

Did they airbrush that guy's asshole? There's nothing there where the hole should be.

She has a whole story revealing her love for pedophilia. Sick fuck. There’s also an outtake where she’s peeing on the floor.

It's a shame this silly book was released in loose conjunction to the Erotica album, which I think is pretty incredible. I'd have to say of all Madonna's albums I have listened to Erotica the most, I love it.

She is into bestiality too.

Scanned the booked, only half way through: it's boring. Madge's boobies - yawn. However, she was gorgeous at the time, pre-plastic surgery.

I remember that in bookstores all the copies of the book came in ultra-thick airpacked plastic, so you couldn't leaf through it before deciding whether to buy.

I can't get past those oddly-shaped thighs. And the crotch shots make me think of what that poor bodysuit must smell like.

Looks more like she's biting his cheek.

It wasn’t “daring and exciting,” it was just porny and desperate.

She removed herself from the serious pantheon of pop culture icons overnight.

I don't know what Madonna thought was going to happen. She had been successful with other controversies (Like a Prayer, Blond Ambition, Truth or Dare, Justify My Love) but this was too far. It was just too out there for the general public.

Better than a man rimming a woman, but I still feel the need for some eyewash.

The Sex book was written from the POV of a character named Dita, an S&M mistress / sexual adventuress. This is something that some of you fail to understand. The literary persona is distinct and separate from the author. The thoughts and experiences of Dita, don't necessarily reflect the thoughts and experiences of Madonna.

She was a whore, darlin'.

The reason it wasn't successful, I think, is because it was outright porn. Had it been merely suggestive it would have garnered praise for pushing boundaries. This just made her seem like a tramp. Her career did take a big hit from it.

r30 = Madonna trying to pass this off as some artistic statement.

Madonna fucked every Latin guy in New York. She's cheap goods. Fortunately, she can afford to pay for it now.

I remember flipping through this when I was 10 and just being bewildered.

I was thinking whether or not Madonna would have done that book if she had a mother still alive.

Doubtful, but would she have been a star? Same with Streisand. If they'd had stable, normal upbringings would they have had the drive to make it?

Can you imagine any woman singer publishing something like this today? It would be a career killer. But not for Madonna back then. That's something.

The book was $50 when it came out, if I remember it correctly.

r38 That would be even more damaging to male singers, FWIW.

R38 I could see Rihanna doing something similar. She's kinda the modern version of Madonna and Vanity. Not quite as daring but she'd be the one

Totally, R39.

The book is intentionally over the top; it's quite humorous, in fact.

My name is Dita I'll be your mistress tonight.

Madonna truly believed that she had created avant-garde art. A sophisticated but naughty art book that would be sold at museum shops the world over. She thought for sure this would put her right next to Warhol. It did not. People were repulsed by the amateurish photos. The writing was so bad, even SNL clowned her.

I don't remember the exact cost of the book but it was way overpriced for the times.

R40 No, I can't see Rihanna doing this. She has a mother alive, and I don't see her going that far, if she didn't have a mother.

It's a collector's item!!

I have to assume that's your theory of what she wanted with the book, R43.

I'm thinking R43 comes close with what Vadge wanted with the book. I don't know about it selling in museums, because she was selling it at your local bookstore for $50. That I do know.

By the way, $50 for a book was a lot back then and now, but it was a table book so maybe not a lot for now.

Dita, Madame X, and all the others - her characters are all so contrived and silly and similar. As are all her silly costumes. YAWN. . .

It's interesting that she does not play with women in these photos, despite the fact that lesbian chic was already in full swing in the 90s, and she, in fact, contributed a lot to that trend.

Have you seen the entire book? She most definitely plays with girls.

I remember our public library had a copy. The librarian allowed us to take a peek under the watchful eye of our mother. It wasn't worth it.

Ok, I have insomnia, so maybe not reading this right. I agree with the posters who wrote Madonna wrote the Sex book as Dita. Wasn't she in a relationship with Sandra Bernhard at this time?

Isabella Rossellini on pages 87-92

I would have enjoyed the typography on page 103 and the mixes of calligraphy in this mostly blackened white production. But now I don't care.

She's a closeted lesbian.

R51 LOL.

My friend couldn't figure out how Madonna couldn't keep a man. She said she is willing to do anything sexually. Then, you factor in the money, but I guess Madonna doesn't connect emotionally with anyone.

I remember at the time this book came out caused huge controversy. At the same time I remember some people were kind of rolling their eyes thinking and saying, ok, what next shocking thing is this crazy broad doing next for a buck.The book had special sealed rapping because it was considered porn. The book at the time was very expensive as well. I never looked in this book until now, and I have to say what embarrassing piece of absolute CRAP. There are those pictures in the book which Madonna is out there near the side of the freeway totally naked standing there. I remember that and the drivers were staring at her with astonishment because they didn't know what she was doing at the time. Madonna always wanted be taken as this Avant guard persona type BS as the one poster said already like an Andy Warhol, She always thought of her shelf as this really edgy intellectual, please! She has always been a messed up mentally ill person. One of the main reasons why she pulled these stunts was because she wanted to make money ,and become filthy rich. I think Boy George once said Madonna is a human cash register who wants to make money on everything she does. All she was a prostitute , who will did almost anything to make money ,and went to extremes to shock people to gain their attention and money. I remember the crazy teen age girls, and the fags were the ones who really went nuts over Madonna buying anything Madingdong would put out there to sell.This crazy broad is worth 1 billion dollars today and she still wants more.

BTW, is Isabella Rossellini bi?

BTW, Vanilla Ice was so young. He was such a stud! This was years before he got tattoos. My sister didn't like Vanilla Ice when he first became famous. She said he like a rapist? Uh? whatever?

Dirk Bogarde turned down the opportunity to redo THE NIGHT PORTER with Madonna for the book.

YEAH. That's Brian Austin Green. Madonna published a photo of her getting fingered by David from 90210.

Stupid.

she names everyone in this book on the last page i think...if you are interested........

My hairdresser bought the book and on day 2 at the salon it was already in pieces. I remember thinking it was really lame that she included Vanilla Ice. I lost a bit of respect for her because of that. Naomi Campbell seemed to regret the decision almost immediately. I didn’t mind that it was shocking, we were used to that, but it was the end of ‘fun’ Madonna in my opinion.

Her children can't do anything but be good kids, because they should be so embarrassed by their mother's cheap acting ass.

[quote]My friend couldn't figure out how Madonna couldn't keep a man. She said she is willing to do anything sexually. Then, you factor in the money, but I guess Madonna doesn't connect emotionally with anyone.

I for sure remember one of her ex-boyfriends saying she was a very bad lay - just frigid. The guy was famous but I don't recall who that was now. I'm sure someone on here will know.

Are half of the posts in this thread by Janbot? The book is fun and the pics look great. Fashion photography meets erotic art. It took huge balls to do this and Madonna did it. Was it the best career move for the biggest female pop star in the world? Probably not but it says something about Madonna, and why she kept on being relevant until she was close to 50. I personally view Confessions as her last truly relevant album but she's obviously been selling out stadiums long after that.

Hard to imagine why anyone would get their knickers in a twist for this in 2019.

r63 Dennis Rodman said she was average in bed.

Madonna said herself she doesn't give blow jobs.

The real problem was that it wasn't very good and interesting. Yes, she went for shock value to make the folks in flyover states blush, but the coast areas had their Mapplethorpe prints and gallery exhibitions offering them much better executed art. The artistic taste level just wasn't there and that's what hurt Madonna in the long run. That and featuring Vanilla Ice, like even back when the book was released he was already a has-been. Even her hardcore, gay fans couldn't defend her after that.

I thought Dennis Rodman just said that she hounded him to father a baby -- bugging him when she was ovulating. I think it was Charles Barkley who said she was a lousy lay and that's why she hates Barkley.

Madonna once said she never gives BJs because when she was starting out alone and young in New York, a guy raped her and forced her to give him a BJ.

Not really anilingus, she's just biting his cheek. It's a fakeout seen often in old gay-for-pay porn like Bel Ami.

You're blind if you can't see the twinks at Bel Ami licking ass.

Madonna is and has never been anything more than an attention seeking ratbag.

it wasn't innovative in any way, shape, or form. it was simply madonna being madonna - pushing boundaries, this time too far. it got talked about but was a career misstep and there was a backlash.

This feels mostly like an S&M book, for those who like that. It should have said S&M, not SEX. I love sex, couldn't care less for bondage. Let's not sell things for what they aren't!

S&M IS A SEX PRACTICE.

Joey Stefano. *sigh*

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I never understood this. I still do not find any of the pics erotic. Why didn't she just do a tasteful book of nudes.

madonna isn't tasteful.

i can totally see Lady Gaga doing a new version of this book. so far it's the only Madonna thing she has not remade.

gaga has enough wisdom not to recreate shit.

r71 I said often used, not exclusively used. You just didn't see the same videos I did, that's all. And I stopped watching their stuff about fifteen years ago, so perhaps someone finally told them what rimming actually meant since then.

R73 - it wasn’t Madonna “pushing boundaries”...yet again it was madonna taking cues from the gays

She's always "taking cues" from someone, i.e. stealing. That's her entire career right there. The end product was good most of the time so I don't really mind, but maybe it's time for those people she stole from to get some of that sweet spotlight and money now.

I recall a magazine reproducing some of the photos and getting some backlash because they included one where it looked like you could see her vulva, but I don't see that photo in this book and can't find it online, either. All I remember is that it was shot from the side and could have been her clothing, and wondering why anyone cared so much.

[quote]There are those pictures in the book which Madonna is out there near the side of the freeway totally naked standing there.

Those are the only good photos because they're unapologetic kitsch, but I get the feeling she didn't realize that. Everything is so wordy and banal because she's taking it too seriously, when what she should have been doing was the full 1960s trailer park whore experience, the kind of stuff you can get copies of nowadays from Something Weird.

Most of this book makes sex very unappealing.

What? I thought EVERYONE gave men analingus.

[quote]For the time, it was very salacious and racy; her overall attitude on sexuality seemed both daring and exciting. While hard for some to understand, this was pre-internet and one's access to sexual images was mostly limited to actual pornograpy (which had to be purchased or rented at adult video stores or via mail order).

Yes, this is something that younger people don't really understand. I was a teenager at the time and the only outlet to see naked men was shoplifting a Playgirl from Waldenbooks. As far as actual gay pornography (or just porn in general) went, it was pretty much inaccessible until you turned 18 and could legally enter an adult video/novelty store, which were few and far between.

“My friend couldn't figure out how Madonna couldn't keep a man. ”

What is that nonsense “ couldn’t keep a man”? Can’t believe in 2019 people use this dated and sexist expression.

It was so stupid, like everything else in the 90s.

I don’t find it fun nor sexy. It’s trashy in a bad way. She could have done a book of artistic nudes with colors and scenery. Not this bullshit.

Erotica was such a great and solid album, but unfortunately the Sex book controversy overshadowed it, and the album wasn't the big hit that it should've been.

IMHO, "Bad Girl" is the best music video of all time.

R75 S&M is first a world in and of itself, AND second a sex practice. Sex is not S&M - it can be for some, but sex in and of itself is not S&M.

The book should have been called CHAINS or something.

Of course, sex sells, and Madonna works in marketing, so of course she was going to call her picture book something that SELLS.

madonna doesn't really keep men. she uses them and throws them away.

I'll always admire Madonna for giving the middle finger to our Puritanical, Reagan-era society in the 1980s and making sexuality and homosexuality part of the conversation. A lot of people in that era just needed to stop being in denial and grow the fuck up, and Madonna was a big part of that. She always has my respect for that alone.

r96 that was a long time ago. that bitch has done a lot to erode any respect i had for her.

Madonna was never a gay rights advocate. She was a performer using hot topics to get attention for herself either for shock value or pandering to her demographic. Remember stuff like Like A Prayer and the burning cross in her music video? Controversy. The banned video of Justify My Love? Controversy.

I remember how she dissed Sinead O'Connor for pissing of a great deal of people with the SNL stunt where she ripped a picture of the Pope apart (later spoofing that incident on SNL). She was just pissed that she didn't think of it first.

[quote]Madonna was never a gay rights advocate.

Utter nonsense.

She was always a gay rights activist.

A couple of years later came this disastrous appearance on Letterman. She was making bad artistic decisions by that point.

Wasn't there a video where she gave Colonel Angus cunnilingus?

R9 Herb Ritts should have photographed the Miami section; while Helmut Newton the more decadent New York scenes. Meisel is an amazing talent, but his high-concept approach doesn't really suit the material. Newton could effortlessly create images that were both disturbingly titillating and humorous. Meisel completely fails on the former. Although the photo of her hitchhiking nude is justifiably iconic.

Why wasn’t Helmut Berger in this book? Or Udo Kier? They could have been double teaming Joey Stefano.

Fuck. Joey Stefano.

I’m sick of threads becoming about him. He wasn’t even that good looking. Enough.

That nude hitchhiking photo is amazing.

Do you think Shawn Mendes will ever do anything like this?

[quote] Why wasn’t Helmut Berger in this book? Or Udo Kier? They could have been double teaming Joey Stefano.

One of them is in the book. Go look him up.

R104, Udo Kier is definitely in the Sex book, and in the "Deeper and Deeper" video.

You mean "bourgeois vanilla," r9.

Madonna has always had a sense of the gritty. Her early days in NY couldn't have been pretty. I think she gravitates toward that in her art, and when she does, her vanilla fanbase go all aghast and uncomfortable.

That said, the SEX book was meant to be 70s arthouse Warhol factory postmodern-whatever mixed with 20-30s German expressionism and 60s French cinema-eroticism. Ritts never had the cultural scope to go where Madonna's pastiche-splashing - and oftentimes grotesque - imagination wanted to go.

It was as baffling then as it is now why a pop star at the top of her game would release a book that was basically porn. She didn’t have to, Erotica would have sold well anyway. A book with erotic pictures would have made more sense, but this was way past that. It was like she didn’t know the difference between porn and erotica. She talked a big game when it came to sex but I think she had very basic ideas.

[quote] I for sure remember one of her ex-boyfriends saying she was a very bad lay - just frigid. The guy was famous but I don't recall who that was now. I'm sure someone on here will know.

Rocco.

r97, alot of anger in you. You should speak to a professional.

I wish I had bought the copies that were in the B&N remainder stacks for $6.99 a year or so after it came out. We had like 10 of them.

If I had, I could charge at least 10 times as much to resell now. At one point the price was up around $300 for a gently used or near mint copy.

The Erotica album was one of her best ... alot of mainstream weren't ready for it. Now, most of what she did in that album is considered passe.

HUNGARIAN INTERVIEWER: "Okay! Here is a question from left space: what was your book 'Slut' about?"

MADONNA: "It was called 'Sex,' my book!"

HUNGARIAN INTERVIEWER: "Not in Hungary. Here, it was called 'Slut.'"

[quote] The Erotica album was one of her best ... alot of mainstream weren't ready for it. Now, most of what she did in that album is considered passe.

And the album is still considered awful.

She’s disgusting and a raging narcissist.

R116 lol

r112, it was Dennis Rodman, who was never exactly dealing with a full deck and it always baffled me Madonna wanted him to father her first child.

I do have to say that his claims aren't that surprising - I would say that Madonna would be too much of a control freak to actually enjoy sex. She would be Madonna being Madonna having sex.

Vanilla Ice and she were dating during the Erotica period, and broke up over the SEX book. He was upset she published the photos of them that he appeared quite willing to partake in. He never thought they would be made public. He isn't the brightest bulb.

Madonna doesn't look for brains in her men.

I just wanted to say there was no internet and people wanted this thing even if they were underwhelmed or mad it fell apart. It sold its initial (and only?) print run of 1.5 million copies in days. Dig the dated graphic design.

R80, Maybe Gaga would have in 2013 (she had someone literally vomit all over her onstage back then) but not now. She is a serious vocalist these days, not just a silly popstar anymore. She has an Oscar and an album with Tony Bennett to prove it.

It was in that age of coffee table books where you show off artistic nudes at home to make yourself look bohemian. With the digital, internet age that's pretty much gone except for Taschen art book bibliophiles.

Pretty sure deaths from AIDS in the US peaked in 1992 for context. A lot of the S&M photos are pretty Mapplethorpe rip-off in retrospect.

Before Maluma had the privilege of having his big toe licked by Madonna, her ex-boyfriend Tony Ward was privileged to have his big toe sucked by her for the SEX book:

Y'all queens are too much. I think the photography is quite nice, Meisel is an undisputed master of fashion photography with a great imagination and you really see that in this book. Madonna's one and only interesting move wat this book, something truly ballsy and controversial. The rest of her career could simply be summarized as, like Boy George once said, a rip-off after another from people with actual artistic talent. She was always a vampire.

The style inspiration for SEX were the works of Guy Bourdin, Helmut Newton, and Robert Mapplethorpe's X Portfolio. However, Warner Bros, the parent company of Madonna's Maverick brand put the kibbosh on anything too explicit, so out of the 80,000 photographs taken, only a handful of the "tamer" ones made it to print.

The photo of her hitchhiking seems to kind of stand in for the whole project. It's a good photo.

[quote] out of the 80,000 photographs taken,

80000? Impossible.

R127 I personally see more Newton than Bourdin. Bourdin is more exhuberant, glossy and glamorous whereas Newton prefers thing to look colder and grittier.

I'm rolling my eyes at how pretentious Madonna is for mentioning how regular porn is not exciting for her but IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES is, she's so very pretentious. I did find the movie hot but I wouldn't watch it to jerk off, that's so silly.

Who peed in Miss R105's porridge?

I have to say, nowadays this book would probably HELP someone's career. After Kardashian's sex tape and the sex tapes of SO MANY people who then became even richer and more famous because of them, this would not be shocking the way it was in the 90's. Once again, Madonna was ahead of her time. But too far ahead. And "Deeper and Deeper" is the only song I liked from Erotica.

I think it might help you if you were a controversial pop star on your way up r132. It wouldn’t do anything for someone at the top as it would be seen as pointless attention seeking (as it was seen when Madonna did it) nor would it help someone who is on their way down as it would be considered a desperate last grab for attention. It might be ok for someone like Cardi B, who is seen as the ex stripper made good, but she doesn’t need to do it so why bother. So even today the amount of pop stars who could get away with it are few.

[quote]“My friend couldn't figure out how Madonna couldn't keep a man. ”

[quote] What is that nonsense “ couldn’t keep a man”? Can’t believe in 2019 people use this dated and sexist expression.

Dated and sexist? Says someone who drops in on DL to comment.

Gaga actually did a sex book, no one bought it of course

This book was a success and so was the album. That’s why you idiots are talking about 20 years later. The pics were gorgeous as was Madonna. Stephen Meisel did a great job because he’s a fashion photographer. The 90s were so much fun.

Here's Phil Hartman as Charlton Heston reading the text from Madonna's Sex book for Books on Tape.

the gay stuff seems super tame compared to how it was viewed back then

She did it first! Bet she had some great stories

MTV would only show this after midnight and sparingly at that. Not sure any major performer has tried to match this or would dare to

Nowdays it would hardly create controversy at all in this "50 Shades of Grey" frau porn era where people (still?) discuss which of the Sex & The City girls they'd be.

The fact is Sex was a huge financial success. It sold 1.5 million copies at $50 a pop. Do the math, you jealous bitches.

Madonna was always having gross nude photos taken of herself. At least she shaved for the SEX book.

R143 Nice hairy snatch & legs to match.

Jesus, that bush is just nasty.

No ones saying it wasn’t a huge success r142, everything she touched back then turned to gold. But there was no point to the book other than to make money, which is fine, except she tried to pass it off art. It wasn’t art, it was soft porn. It was no different to buying a very expensive playboy magazine, but with her instead of some nobodies so it sold for a fortune and had an appeal that probably made Hefner green with envy. But that doesn’t mean it was anything other than celebrity porn.

While the book was a commercial success it was the beginning of the end.

R12 Everything you said.

[quote]she gave men anilingus

"anilingus"! OP is such the dearest little thing, who has presumably never rimmed anything more than a tea cup.

Strange. I could have sworn that there is an image of Madonna licking a toilet seat in the book, but I can't find that image online. Did I imagine that?

SEX came out about a week before my 22nd birthday and all of my friends knew I was a big Madonna so I received a total of 6 copies as presents. I opened one, and kept the other 5 sealed. I still have the opened copy and a sealed copy for posterity, but in the early ‘00s when you could still make a buck on eBay, I sold the remaining 4 sealed copies for a total of close to $1,800.

I also have a bootlegged VHS cassette boxed away somewhere in my garage with video footage of the making of SEX. It wasn’t professionally made. It just looks like someone in Madonna’s entourage, or maybe a crew member, took behind-the-scenes footage during shoots. I’m sure it can be found on your favorite porn aggregator site.

For the most part, I liked the book. One could see the same sort of fetishy stuff at several clubs in Los Angeles at the time, but at the time, it was cutting edge for a huge commercial star like Madonna to pose nude in semi-hardcore (for the time) photos. I think the book is sexy overall, but the Vanilla Ice pics didn’t age well.

*Madonna FAN.

R152 I'm not a Madonna by any stretch but as a 20 year old going though this for the first time, I didn't think it was as pathetic or poorly conceived as some of you are making it out to be. There are some awful shots and layouts but some pictures, like the one in OP are rather nice. Meisel was just starting his golden age and as a fashion photography aficionado, I found it to be rather interesting.

The sexy story that Madonna or rather Dita retells through letters is all shades of cringeworthy though, her leaving her adventurous, wild lover because he had taken a male lover behind her back is just laughable and hypocritical. Her stance on fat people is funny when you have that body at that age but nowadays she's also fat and I don't think it's because she's an "overindulgent pig".

I think her snatch is da bomb!

OP, that entire book is Madonna giving herself analingus.

I bet a $1,000,000 the OP is neither a millenial or it is his first time seeing this book.

[quote]Madonna fucked every Latin guy in New York. She's cheap goods.

Says the group known for sucking anonymous cock through holes in stalls in dirty public toilets.

Yes!!! Though it is not true that each of them were all that dirty.

Had a friend back during the "SEX" book days who would call Madonna a whore, slut, trash, etc...

He ended up contracting syphilis from playing at adult book stores.

Yes, the irony was lost on him.

your friend was right about madonna. he knew what he was talking about because he was one too.

There was a Moth-type storytelling event in NYC years ago with some big names reading Madonna's writings from Sex, in a serious tone. Or maybe it was on Comedy Central.

Wherever it was, I remember the audience was screaming with laughter.

the whole sex book crap was embarrassing and it backfired on the bitch.

Gaga did have a sex book. She copied Madonna to the end.

The book is only good as long as it's unsealed.

The "Dita" persona is Madonna at her most humorless and pretentious. She honestly believed she was the new "Pauline Reage."

Can't believe Isabella Rossellini got involved in Madonna's trash aesthetic. I think the young woman posing topless with Isabella is actually Diane Von Furstenberg's daughter Tatiana, it sure LOOKS like her.

Yes, I was correct: "In 1992, von Fürstenberg posed for Madonna's erotic coffee table book Sex and was in the video documentary on the making of the book. Later that year, von Fürstenberg was featured alongside other celebrities from Sex in the music video for Madonna's single Erotica. Also in 1992 von Fürstenberg made cameo appearances in the films Light Sleeper and Bram Stoker's Dracula."

These people must have been desperate for some type pf exposure at the time, especially as Madonna was so famous, they might have assumed the book would be a hit. It wasn't. Madonna was mocked relentlessly.

As with. most of the absurd attention seeking nonsense Madonna does, the book had absolutely nothing to do with music. Then again, neither does Madonna!

Madonna's made some great pop music.

There's shockingly little dick to be had in a book that's about 'sex'.

R160 - I saw something similar on YouTube where they were reading excerpts from Vanna Whites autobiography - hysterical!

What a pile of pretentious crap. As I recall it was ridiculously expensive. At best, softcore porn. No literary value whatsoever.

It was designed to be a coffee table book; I don't think that anyone was really reading it for literary value, R168. As mentioned above numerous times - it literally fell apart once you flipped to the 10th page. The ring binder was a terrible idea. The only "expensive" component was the metal cover - otherwise, the book was horribly made. Mine fell apart quickly and I was still a teen so I never had a coffee table to put it on.

I wanted to see Vanilla Ice naked!

That’s his ass she’s eating

R166 well, it‘s a book about Madonna, not about dick. Also, you can have sex without a dick. It‘s after all SUPPOSED to be a pussy-centric book.

It's Tony Ward's ass. It would have been much hotter if she was tonguing Big Daddy Kane's butt.

What is Rob Van Winkle (Vanilla Ice) up to these days?

From R9: "Steven Meisel made Madonna look harsh and unattractive."

Meisel got it right.

Joey S. was a total physical wreck near the end of his life, but not earlier. My guess is that every gay man in New York and Philadelphia saw him in clubs and bars at least once.

He wasn’t even good looking. I’m so baffled by his status.

God, as a fan, I have to say this is the third or fourth worst decision of her career--#1 is going on Instagram, #2) fucking up her face, #3) attempting to be an actress (this might be a tie). She was really arrogant and drastically miscalculated how the public would perceive it. That's one reason I cannot listen to the song Human Nature, which I hate. It's so whiny and it's all about how the media and public want to punish her. No, they just found what you did repulsive and knew you were trying to go too far beause you thought you could get away with anything and everything.

I find it interesting that Madonna pretty much disregards the Sex book nowadays. After the initial controversy of the book, it was supposed to be reissued in paperback but those plans were nixed. I think the reaction was too vicious that although it would have made more $$, it wasn't worth it.

And then in the ensuing years, when Madonna was trying to redeem her image, she didn't mention it unless asked.

R90, how is "can't keep a man" a sexist expression? She can't keep a man for the same reason she can't act--she is afraid to truly be vulnerable and trust others. This is why Dangerous Game is possibly her only truly very good performance on screen, because it's clear Abel Ferrara wouldn't put up with her crap and probably verbally abused her to get her to play the part well. And then she turned around and called the move "shit" to the press.

R179, she really desexualized herself for a long time after that.

The SEX book also contained a comic book insert called "Dita in the Chelsea Girl" which evoked the Irving Klaw/Belier Press fetish magazines of the 1950s. And it is said that passages from the book were intentionally written in the manner of letters to pornography magazines. So there was a bit of tongue-in-cheek to this whole exercise.

Yes, R181: the twee book for little girls (about how to cope with uglier girls being mean to them); the la-di-da accent; the unwatchable Windsors film.

From "Dita" to Lady Muck in less than a decade.

I love the fact that Madonna invents these personas. It was fun until it was pathetic - Madame X. Early 90's Madge was the best. She was trying her damndest to mix art and commerce, she was taking it to another level. Alas it was a mixed bag for her.

Excuse it all you want, R172, the fact there's only one full one dick, and it's completely limp, means it's not a book about sex, and it's just as phallophobic as the rest of society, so actually wasn't breaking any new ground or anything. It makes the entire thing lame.

R185 most sex books don’t have dick shots. Wanna know why? Straight men are the majority. And they don’t wanna see that. Stupid.

R114, were there really remaindered copies? I always thought the print run sold out.

Also, since I don't think it's been mentioned, I recall some bookstores would charge people a fee to look through an open copy of the book for a few minutes.

Kinda wish I had a copy.

[quote]Madonna's made some great pop music.

Let me correct that for you: decent pop songwriters, great musicians in the studio and on her tours, great dancers, costumers, makeup/hair people and lots of appropriating past icons and basically stealing others imagery/art ALL helped make a third rate 'singer' a star. There isn't much original about Madonna.

Even her SEX book was a rip off of actual S&M photographers. As far back as 1974 US VOGUE did an S&M layout in their publication.

The problem with Madonna's fans, they were and still are absolutely clueless about who she's ripped off during her entire career. Any guess who she's ripping off in her latest Madame X incarnation?

I wish this tired grasping hag would just go away. At this point she's making a total fool of herself.

Alright, calm down Gaga aka r188

[quote]decent pop songwriters,

Madonna's collaborators have all said she's a good songwriter.

[quote]great musicians in the studio and on her tours

Many singers don't play instruments, so of course they need musicians.

Madonna's "ripping off" is what lots of artists do. They take inspiration from others and do their own interpretation. This has been going on forever, but only Madonna seems to get shit for it. I loved that she re-invented the hard glamour of Golden Age Hollywood in a modern context. That was something the culture really needed at the time after the stripped-down post-hippie 70s.

Lol oh r190 don’t let the charade fool you, Madonna does not and has never written a lyric in her life - unless of course you mean changing a word here or there and giving herself songwriting credit.

No r191 she's written or co-written a lot of her own songs. Have you ever seen or read anything about Madonna? When Madonna walked into the recording studio with the lyrics for "Lucky Star" Reggie Lucas told her that she had just written a huge hit. Lucas himself has said this in interviews.

R191 do you have her confused with Manet or Crackney?

Gotta love Madonna having the guts to do that. I wish male artists would do the same. The closest we got was Prince posing nude on the cover of the Lovesexy album.

R187, why the fuck can't you post a direct link without a 'redirect' notice? Seriously, how bad do you have to be to fuck up posting a simple link?

I absolutely love the song "Human Nature". I think it's one of her best songs.

Madonna: “Sex with the young can be fun... he had no pubic hair. He was just a baby.”

She’s a sick fuck.

[quote] Madonna's collaborators have all said she's a good songwriter.

The ones on her payroll. Stephen Bray outed her ass for not contributing to the songs and said he’d never work with her again. All the demos handed to her have leaked. She changed one word or line. She has no talent, except for stealing.

R197 she fits in with many on this site who can see a 13 year old, know he’s 13 and still make sexual comments and use the excuse that he’s a teen and not a “child”

[quote] Many singers don't play instruments, so of course they need musicians.

Madonna can’t do either. She knows a few cords on a guitar.

[quote] It was like she didn’t know the difference between porn and erotica.

R111, are talking about Madonna or yourself? The book wasn't porn even when it was released, or maybe it was for the Amish.

No r198 others have said she writes a lot of her own material. She and Stephen Bray had a falling-out for other reasons. It's too bad they can't make up and work together again.

Frank Sinatra and Judy Garland never played any insturments.

[quote]Frank Sinatra and Judy Garland never played any instruments.

What an absurd comparison! Those people could actually sing! Why not add Tony Bennett, Sarah Vaughn and all the vocal greats to that list, few could play an instrument, their superb and unique voices were their instruments.

Madonna sounds like a nasally cat in heat, she's not a singer. She sounds like someone stuck a hot poker up her ass.

That is porn.

I'm not comparing Madonna to the greats, just saying that being able to play a musical instrument is not a condition for being a decent singer.

Sinatra and Garland, like Madonna, occasionally played huge arenas. Tony Bennett did not, neither did Ella Fitzgerald. Although Ella did far more concerts, like Carnegie Hall.

The product called Madonna has been created over the years by a large group of creative people. The stylists, hairdressers, photographers, directors, song maker etc. all have done their part, and like a conductor of an orchestra Madonna Louise Ciccone decides what she wants to use. This is just business as usual in the music business and yet some people act all flabbergasted that Maddie isn't doing it all by herself from start to finish. I'm sure one particular Janet Jackson fan is one of the most vocal Madonna haters in this thread, and yet Madonna has done way more for her career than Janet ever did for her own. Without her brothers no one would've ever even heard of Miss Janet. Say what you will about Madonna but she rose from nothing to the top of the world all by herself... aided by a ton of people, who most probably were paid well for their services.

Madonna is a pop singer with a mediocre voice, and yet people love her voice and her whole persona. Obviously she's now getting too old but comparing her to the likes of Sinatra sounds ridiculous.

Nobody's comparing her to Sinatra.

WW for R208. He hits it on the nail. She came from nowhere and from nothing - so no matter how she became the most influential singer on the planet for decades - that is exactly what she became nonetheless. She never had a voice like Whitney (nor did she claim to), but almost nobody did. I am always amused by the Madonna haters who are still huge Beyonce or Taylor Swift or (add your own pop singer) fanatics. Please inform me of reasons why most pop stars are more deserving of success than Madonna was? Most are mediocre singers with little songwriting talent who depend on teams of stylists, songwriters, choreographers, dancers, extras, etc. to pull off an appearance. Most are derivative of of some great from the past - whether it be Beyonce trying to carbon copy Bob Fosse with her "Single Ladies" video (her only truly influential song to date) or Justin Timberlake almost completely plagiarizing MJ with his first solo album - from the music down to his style/dance moves. I suppose that it usually comes down to that "IT factor" with these successful pop stars, but none have had a greater influence on global style, fashion, trends, etc. than the incomparable Madonna during her reign over the airwaves. She literally did rule the world during the 1980s and 1990s. Bar none. Yes, it takes a village - it takes a village for every one of them. She just did it better.

why do you keep saying she came from nothing, wasn’t she from a middle class family in Michigan?

She left Detroit with $35 r211.

She grew up in a very safe and comfortable suburb, Rochester Hills, a half hour drive from Detroit.

Yeah she has been full of shit since then beginning

Please, her brother debunked that story about telling a cab driver to take her to the center of it all and dropping her off in Times Square with $30 bucks in her pocket.

Hilarious In Living Color parody. Audio sucks but it's closed captioned

Right r51...

And this:

r216 Julie Brown also did a cover of Erotica, also called Neurotica.

Her children must be so proud.

THAT'S NOT ANALINGUS

That's a real Scat Whore

honest engine !!

[quote]The Sex book was written from the POV of a character named Dita, an S&M mistress / sexual adventuress.

Gawd what a TIRED ASS, PLAYED OUT idea even thirty years ago! Madonna is if nothing else a semi-educated midwestern, straight white girl, with as much vision and irony as a Detroit housewife. She's just had too many people tell her yes in between the too few telling her no. Plus, she isn't exactly a first-rate thinker, but like many in show biz is acutely aware of how to proceed for maximum self-benefit.

[quote]why do you keep saying she came from nothing, wasn’t she from a middle class family in Michigan?

Well, with 'nothing' I meant Madonna or her family had no connections and she had to start from the scratch, unlike Janbot's fave. I do like Janet Jackson as well but let's not kid about why she got such a great start for her career.

[quote][R73] - it wasn’t Madonna “pushing boundaries”...yet again it was madonna taking cues from the gays

[R73] - it wasn’t Madonna “pushing boundaries”...yet again it was madonna being vulgar.

FIFY.

Madonna's family (except brother Christopher...for awhile) always seemed to be embarrassed by her, always wanting to look away from her shenanigans..... the same way she feels about them!

Someone said that the book was not successful. A lot of critics didn’t like it or know what to make of it, but it did sell out every single copy.

Adjusted for inflation, it retailed for $90 in today’s money which was a lot for people to pay for a book they weren’t allowed to look at until after they purchased it.

Most Americans never saw the book they only heard about it or read articles about it. Before the Internet, there is no way to share content like that unless you went to somebody’s house with bought the book or went to the library to look at it

[quote]Meisel got it right.

Meisel is a genius. An infinitely greater photographer than the bland Ritts.

That video at R219 is actually a good representation of the whole Madonna phoniness. And also shows us that almost anyone can do her schtick.

Also, at R101 - that was just unbearable. What a cunt.

[quote]These people must have been desperate for some type pf exposure at the time, especially as Madonna was so famous, they might have assumed the book would be a hit. It wasn't.

- Released on October 21, 1992, the day after Madonna's fifth studio album Erotica, it sold over 150,000 copies on its first day, and topped the New York Times Best Seller list. It remains the fastest-selling coffee table book.

- Though it initially received negative reviews from fans and critics, who felt Madonna had "gone too far", later reviews have been more positive, with academics deeming it a defining phase in Madonna's career. Sex is noted for its impact on Madonna's career and is considered a bold post-feminist work. It has become one of the most sought-after out-of-print books.

- Despite the controversy, which included the book being banned in Japan shortly after its release,[59] Sex proved to be a commercial success, selling 150,000 copies on its release day in the United States alone.[60] Hundreds of copies of the book were pre-ordered, prompting book sellers to say that Sex was "shattering their sales records for advance purchases".[61] A week later, sales exceeded 500,000 copies[1] and it eventually topped The New York Times Best Seller list.

R226 I mean I detest his current work but bitches in here must be ancient to not know that Meisel become a living legend during the late 90's and early 00's. Going through his works for Vogue Italia you can learn everything there is to learn about fashion photography, no other living photographer can rival him. His work is exquisite and will stand the test of time like Avedon's and Penn's.

"...Sex proved to be a commercial success, selling 150,000 copies on its release day in the United States alone.[60] Hundreds of copies of the book were pre-ordered, prompting book sellers to say that Sex was "shattering their sales records for advance purchases".[61] A week later, sales exceeded 500,000 copies[1] and it eventually topped The New York Times Best Seller list."

I believe this is because it was the pre-Internet era and, also, most people wanted to see a celebrity naked.

The fact that Barnes & Noble had them in the Clearance bins a year later is a testament to its ending.

Sorry to be pedantic, but this is DL, and the correct term is "analinctus." Likewise "cunnilinctus" if that's what you're into. The forms with -ingus technically mean a person who does it, not the act itself, though for some reason no one observes this distinction.

It wasn't sexy at all, it was just gross.

Kinda summarizes her career - lazy, uninspired, shock for shocks sake.

Madonna may be many things, but lazy isn't one of them.

[quote]I never knew she gave men anilingus

Any woman with a mustache will eat out a guy's ass.

Fact.

Madonna is a total sociopath. This book is like exhibit number 302 out a million examples of sociopathy.

The biggest stars are usually monsters r302. That's how they got to be such big stars.

Sorry, r236

R230 No store had them in the clearance bin a year later

My memory was that they sold out pretty much as soon as if not before they hit stores (there was no ordering online then). My "uncle" (who was actually a cousin and sort of a perv in his own right as a heterosexual twentysomething) bought me one for my birthday after I said over and over that I wanted that book BADLY. He was a Madonna fan to some degree as well (so many "dads" were), although he did not expect the content to be as salacious as it was. I was 12 yoa. Again, never had a coffee table to put it on and as it fell apart quickly - it never made the move with me to college years later. I can only assume that my evangelical mother threw it out ASAP. But I would be surprised if they actually made it into sales bins (I never heard that ever - the opposite actually as no one could get their hands on one..). If so, one would have been very wise to buy them up. Just a few years later they were going for over $800.

My local Waldenbooks had it with a promotion for 20% off original price. Not every copy was purchased. You better believe the overstock went to the clearance bin.

I don't buy this bullshit about clearance bins.

There was such a limited number made and stores were selling out in no time.

My cousin worked at Walden and said it was sold out within 3 days and they never could get another order in. They had a wait list.

[quote]most influential singer on the planet for decades

This has got to be one of the most absurd statements about this non-singer I've ever read anywhere.

Do you know the actual meaning of "influential". Madonna's voice is horrendous, she sure hasn't influenced anyone to sing like her. Sure, others would love to have her fame and success, while real musicians and singers fought against the side-show know as Madonna. She has made it easier for so many third rate 'singers' to find fame. People who's image is much stronger than their actual music/talent.

Most serious musicians are into their actual music and songwriting. You know, what any MUSIC is supposed to be about? Not the bells and whistles. Madonna's career was about putting on what is essentially a Las Vegas production for people who enjoy pop music. Not to mention drumming up absurd 'scandals' which also have so little to do with actual music. Who cares that she was always half-naked, most of her side-show had NOTHING to do with music. If you want to see a big stage production, go see a Broadway show or go to Vegas!

Pop, rock and R'n'B were never about big stage shows. Most people are there for the music, not an absurd stage show.

Madonna was basically the Trump of the music world, she'd drum up constant distractions to take away from the fact her music lacked any sort of real substance and longevity.

Serious pop and rock musicians dismiss her 'influence' on music. The whole focus on artifice over music has been very detrimental to the music business. MTV and Madonna basically ruined pop and rock music. I'd hardly call that "influential". MTV and Madonna were just nails in the coffin of popular music.

Damn auto correct. "People WHOSE image"...

There's no way any copy of Sex found its way into a clearance bin. It was a limited print run that sold out everywhere.

[quote]Madonna was basically the Trump of the music world, she'd drum up constant distractions to take away from the fact her music lacked any sort of real substance and longevity.

Her songs from the 80s are still played all the time. They're wonderfully crafted pop tunes.

She's a great entertainer. Not everybody wants or needs to be Bob Dylan.

To the degree that is true, R246, give credit to the record label, the producer, the composer, the arranger, and the sound engineers.

r247 that's true of everyone. It takes a whole team to put together an album. You think any artist just goes into the studio alone and does the whole damn thing themselves?

On one of those decade retrospective shows, Vanilla Ice says that he did not know he'd be in this book. So she included him w/o his permission. Can't find that clip, but here's another where he talks about the book.

That is your opinion, R243. Millions of others have a differing opinion. To have created (yes, with a team - just like every other popular singer on the planet) as many number one hits as Madonna generated during her prime and to still have them played 24/7 today is quite "influential" in my book. I am not particularly a fan of either Taylor Swift or Beyonce, but I would sound like a bitter, spiteful fool to try to claim that both singers have not been "influential" to the realm of popular music over the last decade. It is what it is.

Even back then Vanilla Ice had to sign a release form for these pictures to be used in the book.

The guy is broke for sure, so he would've sued uber rich Madonna over this by now if he had an actual case and the pics were used in a commercial way without his permission.

[quote]She knows a few cords on a guitar.

Oh, dear.

She had some great tits back then.

I think she's biting his cakes

I have seen Madonna perform often. Her talent is producing and starring in major theater presentations. Her singing does not compare favorably to someone like Joan Baez or Ella Fitzgerald or Peggy Lee .

[quote]The whole focus on artifice over music has been very detrimental to the music business. MTV and Madonna basically ruined pop and rock music.

People always say this, but honestly there was a TON of music that was absolute shit that was exceedingly popular immediately before the MTV era. All of those asshole cock rock bands, for example. It's not like all pop music was this great creative force in the late 70s/early 80s. There was a lot of garbage.

Madonna has a little girl voice. When I listened to some of her songs in the past, I noticed she was off key and it was awful.

BTW, Vanilla Ice is making a lot of money flipping homes in Florida. The guy drives around in a Rolls Royce. However, he did get into trouble around 4 years ago? for stealing lumber, doors, etc. from a neighbor of a home he was flipping. Apparently he said he just saw it and took it. He still is a super handsome man, but his tats get in the way of his good looks.

[quote] She had some great tits back then.

Tragic case of tinynip. Her boobs looked like MTF. Way too masculine.

She should release another 30 years after.

Maybe she is mtf.

Don't cry for Vanilla Ice. He's made a fortune in the house flipping business and lives in a huge house in West Palm Beach. He's aged really well, too.

[quote]People always say this, but honestly there was a TON of music that was absolute shit that was exceedingly popular immediately before the MTV era. All of those asshole cock rock bands, for example. It's not like all pop music was this great creative force in the late 70s/early 80s. There was a lot of garbage.

No one said there weren't crap bands pre Madonna and MTV. There was always garbage pop music out there, from the 1950s on. Yet the success of MTV and Madonna allowed even worse 'musicians' to become extremely popular. The over-emphasis on image over talent became more prevalent due to MTV and Madonna's success. Pop and rock music fans suddenly expected a huge stage production, fans were no longer solely attending concerts for the actual music.

Madge Sex

She actually looks good here....for a tramp.

Man nip.

261, he is so good looking. Like I said before, he has A LOT of tats and he ruined his good looks. Still, he has a fantastic face.

264, they could have taken have taken that photo and touch it to make her look good. I'm sure she had her videos touched up and make her body look good.

She later adapted the analingus story for her bedtime storybook "Mr. Peabody's Apples".