Cynthia Nixon: "Sex & The City was white feminism"

No one says Living Single should not have been all black women.

Her 15 minutes ended 5 months ago. She should stick to licking Rojo Caliente's cooch

I really can't take these arguments. IRL, would any of those characters have a close friend who was black? I doubt it. Even in NYC, with all its diversity, those women and the professions they were in would stick with their own.

Yes. Diversity only means diversity of pigmentation. Jesus christ. This sjw moment makes us all look so vapid and superficially intellectual.

Why no trans, Cynthia, why no trans

She’s just salty that no one wants to be “the Miranda”.

What makes a good tv show is NOT a lot of economically/racially diverse cast/characters. What makes a good show is good writing , good acting and good directing.

Actually, the LACK of diversity was one of the truest things about that show and those characters.

What she says is true but the first couple of seasons seemed more gritty and less glamorous.

By season 5/6 they were always dressed up and rich. And Carrie was Miss Perfect. It became very unrealistic and inaccessible.

That being said, I wish they'd follow Kim's example, stop talking about it and move on.

Cynthia must wish that the character Samantha could have been cast as a black woman; and now they would have made the 10th movie without any hitch already.

Dear Cynthia and everyone like her, SHUT THE FUCK UP! INFINITY!

It's a shame she didn't think about these grievances when she was cashing the checks.

If the showrunners had cast non-white characters, those characters would also have been compulsive clotheshorses making shallow observations about human nature. Please. Cynthia just wants to run for office again.

[quote]“Also, I think we wouldn’t all look like that,” she said. “In terms of like, the perfection factor. In terms of always looking so incredible. And I know that’s the fantasy element, and in terms of the show that was important. But I think there’s a lot of ways that people can be visually compelling without looking — quote unquote — perfect.”

Yeah, Cynthia --you REALLY don't have to worry about that particular criticism.

I would argue it wasn't even feminism.

Samantha and Miranda were much more feminist than the other 2 twats.

She sure thinks that SATC was a deep show, huh? It had its moments but mostly it was escapist fantasy and that’s why we watched. I didn’t watch the show to be lectured, that’s for sure.

Virtue Signaling In The City.

It was fantasy fodder for fraus. Expecting it to be anything more than that is silly.

"Actually, the LACK of diversity was one of the truest things about that show and those characters. "

True. Most people tend to make friends with people who are close to their own age and income levels, are of the same race, and similar social backgrounds. And in the case of shallow bitches like the ones on the show, close to their own weight and level of interest in fashion.

The cast from Sex & The City are history. Cynthia Nixon is still living in the past.

Do you think she just started shouting this shit out on the streetcorner, R21? She was obviously asked about it, as will the rest of them, for the rest of their lives.

There is plenty of diversity nowadays in so many TV shows, that it's gotten to where bitching about a "white" show's lack of diversity would be akin to asking why "The Cosby Show" didn't have any white people in it. It's so stupid to bring race into everything.

"White feminism" is a stupid meaningless term meant to attack both "white" and "feminism"

Sex & the City was TV corporate backlash against feminism or "third wave feminism"

It wasn't feminism, R15

The whole show was about trying to get a boyfriend or trying to look "sexy"

As if they ever had anything intelligent, real, or political on TV.

The most unrealistic aspect of the show was that so many hot New York studs gave these cunt the time of day.

Miranda lost me at Abu Dhabi Doo!!!

She's not wrong. I wonder what she thought of the sequel....?

The two times I noticed the show really white washed NYC was first, when Carrie and the ballet guy went into a McDonald's and the cashier was a white blond girl. The second was when they went to Gray's Papaya in the West Village and it was an Italian guy giving them their hot dogs.

Miranda has a thing for trashy tabloid magazines. Fucking whore.

What she says could be applied to about 95% of shows from that era and before. Hindsight is always 20/20. Why is she still trying to run for office by correcting a hit show from the past? Ugh.

That's exactly why people loved it because everybody wants to be a white and rich, particularly those who complain about both.

SATC was completely realistic though so Cynthia is talking shit. You would never have a black woman with three white friends, she would be seen as 'the token'. SATC reflected that rich white people gravitate to their own.

The characters never talked about their families or their backgrounds. They seemed like they just appeared on earth out of nowhere with credit lines.

If I was a white lady...

Sex and the City was nothing but a boring, tedious show about needy, demanding, entitled fraus who thought that they were the bell of the ball when they weren't even the bell of Lugosi.

It was all just a gay man's idea of a frau fantasy of New York that fraus and gays loved for escapist entertainment.

She is silly for claiming it wasn't sufficiently "woke" or deep. It wasn't intended to be either.

[quote]"The Cosby Show" didn't have any white people in it

Excuse the fuck out of you, buddy.

R30-There is a quick documentary on youtube about a Brit eating a meal at a Mcdonald's in 1974 on the upper east side of Manhattan. The workers behind the counter were white. That looks like the twilight zone now. I agree that by the 21st century you would NOT see a white person behind the counter of a Mcdonald's ANYWHERE except maybe Vermont or Utah.

Like someone mentioned, it would have been odd or unrealistic if they had one black girl in they're group. I would think, who is she, where did she come from, who is her family, what is her relationship to the community? And likely, her life wouldn't revolve around her friends as much.

There were plenty of white woman on The Cosby Show, they were all drugged back stage

"Like, I just wish I didn't, like, look so, like, perfect, right?"

On The Cosby Show anytime the kids had friends over, they made sure to have white, asian and hispanic friends. It was nice to aspire to but unrealistic.

“In terms of like, the perfection factor. In terms of always looking so incredible. And I know that’s the fantasy element, and in terms of the show that was important. But I think there’s a lot of ways that people can be visually compelling without looking — quote unquote — perfect.”

Her perfect "wonky" teeth would have been the deal breaker for many men.

And excuse me, it seems to me that the character of Samantha with cancer was not always "perfect" looking -but that may have been SJP being cruel to the character.

A show about four single women who talked frankly about sex and had multiple one night stands was not so common at the time (though there was Golden Girls), so there is an aspect offemale empowerment. However, this was mostly ruined by their talking about men all the time and trying to find boyfriends and the “one”.

I remember they would sometimes be in cabs with colored drivers.

[Quote] However, this was mostly ruined by their talking about men all the time and trying to find boyfriends and the “one”.

Actually Miranda was the only one who talked about her family. Her sister and mother....who died. The others, especially Samantha, never said anything about their past. They should have explored Carrie's father, who left her family when she was small. That was the key to her daddy issues.

Didn’t Samantha hooked up with a BBC?

The looking perfect comment made me lol.

Yes, Miranda with her screeching, ear splittingly high pitched voice, jacked teeth, orange hair, and perma-PMS personality was perfection. SJP’s frizzy dry hair and horse nose and chin were to die for.

The only reason anyone watched the show was for the clothes. That’s it. It was like watching a vogue magazine with a plot. Nothing wrong with that, but feminism in any way? Bitch please.

What r3 said. I don’t think any woman of color worth her salt would wanna hang out with those shallow white bitches.

R51

I agree with you about Miranda, but SJP WAS perfection to this viewer's eyes.

I never understood how Mr. Big was supposed to be a pinnacle of success. His acting (Chris Noth's) was so cheesy, yuck.

I never found Mr. Big HOT.

In real life, that world in Manhattan is 99% white, even to this day. The lack of diversity really did reflect the reality of that social strata.

She is worried about saying the right woke thing yet she supports the transing of minors.

“Sex and the City was nothing but a boring, tedious show about needy, demanding, entitled fraus who thought that they were the bell of the ball when they weren't even the bell of Lugosi.”

This cracked me up.

Like hell those bitches would've been eating those huge three-egg breakfasts all the time. And toast!

[quote] I agree that by the 21st century you would NOT see a white person behind the counter of a Mcdonald's ANYWHERE except maybe Vermont or Utah.

Not that I disagree with the general premise, but there are plenty of poor white folks working at McD's in upper WI, MN, Montana, Idaho, and yes, even West Virginia and Kentucky, thanks to Bitch McConnell.

[quote] Actually, the LACK of diversity was one of the truest things about that show and those characters.

But who wants to spend time around people who only want to be with their own kind?

So what she's saying is that at least one of the four should have been BAME? Well, no way would they throw one in there and make her mockable, so that character would have been the most boring one on there.

Speaking of the most boring least mockable one, that would be Miranda, so the BAME character would have been her, and Nixon would have never got the job and would be a starving nobody never-was rather than a rich pontificating has-been.

[quote] But who wants to spend time around people who only want to be with their own kind?

Uh, not to point out the obvious but how many threads have we had in the last few years about fraus or straight people encroaching on gay places?

Rich white women living in Manhattan would have been close friends with their own kind but Carrie Bradshaw definitely would have been more in tune with the heart of the city, which is NOT overwhelmingly Caucasian. If SJP wasn't into her own rampant ego, she would have realized this obvious flaw and corrected it. And Samantha would have sucking the black dong regularly. Another huge flaw. Even Blanche Deveraux got down with the chocolate. The bitch would have been a one woman United Nations.

It was nothing more than a banal whitewash of the city, and has been the inspiration for turning Manhattan into a trust fund park with no creativity or edge.

Hilaria Baldwin is basically Carrie B. in real life. Her life is as white as it gets.

[quote] I never found Mr. Big HOT.

He was kinda sexy in the beginning, but by the end it was total BS.

Aiden was physically hot, in that sort of "brief summer affair where you ride his big cock for a few weeks until he brings his copy of Atlas Shrugged out of his backpack, and then get the fuck out of Dodge" way.

(I much preferred Steve, who came across on screen like he'd be an amazing lay.)

I only ever watched for Kim and Samantha, and I sorta liked Miranda, but Charlotte/Kristin D was intolerably baby voiced and wimpy, and I considered SJP/Carrie a cross to bear to watch the characters I did like.

Way too much thought about trash.

It obviously didn't work at curbing any of the worst behavior of men, or else Ricky Schroder and Jason Bateman would be in each other's arms whispercooing "You And Me Against The World" to each other.

There was no feminism involved. Wasn't written as if the 4 women were gay men? It was a pre-Kardashian fantasy where women ruled.

[quote] (I much preferred Steve, who came across on screen like he'd be an amazing lay.)

His baby-ish way of speaking was unbearable.

How could anyone have a problem with her saying this? She's responding to criticisms of the show that were made in many places twenty years ago. There's nothing precious or "woke" about acknowledging the problems with the series.

Why were there no blacktranswomen in Dallas? Or Adam 12?

She's right. They coulda cast me!

By all means, we should certainly trash Cynthia Nixon for pointing out areas that the show could have done different for or improved. She's the least insufferable of all those actresses, at least in my opinion. If the show aired today exactly as it was, people would be shitting themselves with outrage. She's not wrong people

I don't think the problem is the main characters...there is nothing odd about 4 white friends, but they are running around NYC and even the extras and peripheral miscellaneous characters are all white. That part isn't believable. Woody Allen movies had the same problem.

So, does this mean there won't be a 3rd movie. After all, it's not woke enough, so we should let it die. Remember when they tried to correct all that in the first time by hiring the incredibly untalented Jennifer Hudson as Carrie's assistant?

I thought the show was hilarious when it first aired and I was younger than the characters, but as I got older I saw them as really thirsty, pathetic, desperate and sad and I don't even watch the reruns now. It's just an ok show in hindsight.

I agree with previous comments.

Cynthia has had her 15 minutes of fame now.

SATC was just an entertaining show, not some deep documentary commentating on real women of that now gone era.

It actually WAS realistic to have them be all white and live in an all-white social world. That's just how it is in the upscale circles of NYC.

What I found completely unrealistic is that most everybody they encountered on the show were American. Half the people in those circles are whites from other countries.

You'll never hear Jerry or Julia say that Seinfeld should have been less Jewish. White people are the only people who apologize for being white, or for depicting 4 white people being friends on TV.

[quote] Nixon: “Well, I certainly think we would not have all been white, God forbid”

Well then Nixon should have been FIRED and an Arab hijab-wearing or First Nation woman should have been cast instead in her place from Season 2 onwards. Or “God forbid”, Cynthia?

[quote] She's not wrong people

Yes, she is. It’s classic “anyone but me” strategy by Nixon. In her revisionist fantasy, she thinks she herself would still land the co-lead role (earning millions) and SOMEONE ELSE would be cast as BAME. Haha, nope. Nixon should face reality: she was the most boring, least popular character on the show. She was also the least physically attractive actress of that quarter. So SHE would be the one fired (or not hired in the first place) in favour of a “more ethnically diverse” actor. Fine by me. I’d much rather watch a First Nation actress than boring white Nixon.

I hope she realises that she herself would likely be axed in her BAME scenario. No more million salary for Cynthia.

[quote]Do you think she just started shouting this shit out on the streetcorner

Did you even READ the article? The author says she came upon Nixon sitting on a park bench, looking disheveled and wearing one shoe, screaming random thoughts about SATC.

R81: so the only acting Emmy won by Cynthia is a fluke?

It would be interesting if SJP would play a character that actually reflected her early life, working class, poor.

R33

[quote] ...because everybody wants to be a white and rich, particularly....

A white and rich what? Your noun is missing. You have used an article with two adjectives without a noun.

R34, in the US and Britain, that is. In countries like France, Portugal, Spain I have seen white friends that have black friends. It's no big deal. You don't become friends with someone because of their race, you are friends with other human beings for all sorts of reasons. It's complex.

Get out of here, r81. Nixon was by far the best actress on the show. It's very easy to play Miranda all wrong and get overshadowed by the more colorful characters. The fact that she was able to stand out at all is a testament to her acting ability. It's much easier to play stock characters like the man hungry slut and upper crust princess than a relatable "normal" character.

R83, so you earnestly think Emmy awards reflect popularity with the audience? Most people couldn’t give a crap about Miranda. She was ugly as sin. If she was killed off in Season 2, most wouldn’t bat an eye.

Bore off, R86. SATC was a superficial show about cock, dresses, nice parts of Manhattan and shoes. People didn’t watch it for “great acting”. It was a fun guilty pleasure.

R87 that is. Sorry, R86.

Nobody watched SATC for “normal characters”. Normal is boring. SATC was escapist fantasy, not a docu-drama.

She is so Miranda.

Sex and the City did real damage to girls. It made them all want to move to NYC and be sluts. Then a whole generation hated life when they turned 30-35 and all they had was a flappy pussy and a bad reputation.

Elle Magazine asked female celebs which SATC character they’d be or associate with. Literally no one picked boring, wonky-toothed lawyer Miranda. And that’s pretty much common knowledge. So much for “relatable”.

I still enjoy the show. Some aspects haven't aged well, but it's fun to look back at how things were 15-20 years ago. It was quite good for a few seasons and rather truthful as well. It was once SJP got a big head and decided to turn her character into some sort of fashion icon/saint that the show turned into something different. Carrie was originally easy to root for. She was selfish and flawed, but her heart always seemed in the right place. As the years went on, it became clear that not only was she not learning from her mistakes (how many fucking times did she go back to Big?) but she also adapted this narcissistic holier than thou attitude. She became insufferable. I so wanted to see the series end with her all alone with all her friends happily partnered (or Samantha at least being sexually satisfied by someone).

SATC is one of my all time best tv series (not top 10 but close). With that said even if you barely followed the show you didn’t wanna be Miranda. Carrie was the show. I’m still pissed I got Charlotte on the character quiz twice just because I won’t bend over on a first date.

She's so boring.

Every tv show and movie has to be the fucking United Nations these days, no matter how absurd that is in certain instances.

as usual when white people call for diversity they mean other actors below them, rather than themselves stepping to oneside

She can write Lesbian Bed-Death In the City, then.

I want to hate SATC. But I watch reruns of it a lot. It's like crack to me.

It always was how Carrie lived so lavishly on a job that probably paid like fifty bucks an article.

Cynthia is face-down in THIS snatch every night. Can you even imagine the horror?

r101 and that fat Jewess is telling Cynthia every night how evil white goyim are.

Rojo Caliente is not Jewish.

Geez r88 you sound like a junior high mean girl

Originally I hated Samantha and Charlotte, but as the show progressed, they stayed true to themselves. Carrie and Miranda were flaky cunts.

It wasn't even feminism. I mean look at Charlotte. And Carrie pining for "Big". The show was occasionally knowing, often funny, esp. in the ebginning---women saying "fuck". Great stuff. But as feminism it was retrograde---it seemed to predate Mary Tyler Moore and Bob Newhart (the latter being the first truly modern marriage on tv). In some ways, it made less of an effort at feminism than say, The Donna Reed Show (Reed herself was a proto-feminist).

It was fun for a couple of years to have Sunday evening watching SATC and Six Feet Under.

[Quote] What [R3] said. I don’t think any woman of color worth her salt would wanna hang out with those shallow white bitches.

Well they certainly didn't want Samantha hanging around their men.

Welcome to DL, R104. Did you take a wrong turn and stumble in here by accident? You sound lost :).

Please note that Cynthia refuses to mention the most under-represented group on TV, and that includes Sex And The City. There were no fat people in their circle.

Cynthia is such a fatist. It's time we call this woman out for her anti-fat language. I'm so tired of the dog whistles in all her comments, basically saying fat people have no rights. She is a truly horrible person.

If they had some coloreds we might have had at least one good weave snatching you've got the wrong one beat that bitch you gonna bleed today fight.

Thy had a black girl in the movie.

[quote] Every tv show and movie has to be the fucking United Nations these days, no matter how absurd that is in certain instances.

At least when [italic]The Rescuers[/italic] and its sequel did it, it kind of made sense.

R111 = Archie Bunker

Edith: Oh, Archie PLEASE be nice.

Archie: I'm ALWAYS nice. Now SIT THE HELL DOWN!

I thought the point of SATC were that they were supposed to be a paradigm of affluent white women in Manhattan? Art is supposed to show reality isn't it? Minorities simply aren't admitted into these kind of circles... and nor would they want to be.

I would understand the criticism if the SATC were portrayed as admirable people... but they never were. They were all spoiled, narcissistic and sheltered... I thought that was the whole point? People watched it for escapism.

R117 Miranda was at least a little realistic - she ate cake out of the garbage can, ordered the same thing every night from the Chinese restaurant and got laughed at by the hostess for it, and met many more realistic loser men than the other girls.

[Quote]No one says Living Single should not have been all black women.

Once again, DL misses the point.

Is this show worth watching?

[Quote] They were all spoiled, narcissistic and sheltered

I wouldn't say that about Miranda.

Thank you R8. I'm Black and Black women just don't live like the SATC quad.

R75 have you rewatched the show recently? There were plenty of people of color as extras and bit parts (e.g., the Chinese restaurant hostess who laughed at Miranda mentioned upthread). Blair Underwood also had a recurring role at one point. However, these women operated within a predominantly white/rich society, and in those scenes (which were plentiful) there weren't many people of color, if any. But that's true to that lifestyle.

[quote]No one says Living Single should not have been all black women.

Oh, you mean "Friends" but with black people?

And yes Warren Littlefield said he wished NBC had of picked up Living Single -- but they did eventually get Friends which was quite close.

But either way as R119 said, you're missing the point.

I don't agree with demanding diversity in every show/movie/Broadway show. I think that limits creativity because you're dictating what the writer should do. Say, if I want to create a series (or coming of age movie) about my childhood in central Mass. in the '90s. Most everyone I knew was white. Heck, my elementary school was various shaded of blond. That's not to say that we never ran into people of color or were acquainted with them. But for the most part, our social groups were white.

Anyway, even today my town is like 98% white. If I wanted to do a show about my childhood, I would get lambasted and forced to include black, Asian, or Hispanic friends/classmates/neighbors just to be "inclusive" and "diverse." I don't agree with that at all. Yes, diversity is important, but it's not a one-size-fits-all situation.

[Quote] There were plenty of people of color as extras and bit parts (e.g., the Chinese restaurant hostess who laughed at Miranda mentioned upthread).

The woman who plays Bailey on Grey's had a funny cameo as a cop.

This reminds me of the time I had an argument with a man over "Wonder Woman."

He said, "There shouldn't be any black Amazons on Themyscira!"

I asked, "Why not. It's completely made up!"

He then said that it, "Wasn't realistic!"

I said, "She carries a damn golden lasso that forces people to tell the truth!"

He then said that it was based on Greek Mythology so they would, "All be Greek!"

Finally I said, "None of that was real either! It's a fucking comic book movie!"

Fiction can be about anything you want. The characters can have any friends they want. That's not just because it brings the bucks but also because a reflection of the society many people grew up in (even if you didn't 20 years ago.)

Many of us did have a "Tootie" or a "Lisa Turtle" at our school. Some of us were even friends with them.

R127 and there are plenty of those in films/shows pre-2000, but they were/are mockingly called "token blacks" even though it was realistic.

[quote] I'm Black and Black women just don't live like the SATC quad.

White women don't, either.

But rich or at least aspiring women did/do, so the point is moot.

There are black People with white friends.

Lisa Turtles do exist. And why is she always singled out? Slater wasn’t white either.

Many of us don’t pick our friends based on race. It’s about who you connect with, who you get along with, similar goals and aspirations etc.

Growing up I had black friends, white friends, Hispanic friends etc. I never understood people that picked friends based on skin.

And to the poster saying “colored” please stop.

Who is she going to give all her SATC money to?

R131 you're assuming everyone was just like you, but you may be an anomaly. Fact is, the races in the US tend to segregate. Very rarely do people have friends the color of the rainbow. Saying this today is taboo because the (far) left just wants to pretend that we live in a multicultural utopia without tackling the real issues.

R133 but there are many that ARE like me.

You’re old. You don’t know how things have changed for many of us. I grew up in the 90s, Born and raised NYC, and here diversity was very real.

The shit you’re spewing is old school flyover state mentality that’s slowly dying out. Because truth is, you’re all from flyover states. That’s who you are. Just cause you move to a city doesn’t mean you’re from there...

When she tallies up all her earnings from S&TC and donates the whole thing to woman's shelters then I will listen to her complain.

My hometown in CT is still 98% white in 2019, never mind the 1990s.

R136 hence the mentality... like I said.

Those of us born and raised in places like LA and Chicago and NYC were raised around other people. You guys don’t relate, and because you can’t relate, I always wonder why you guys are the first to move to these diverse cities...

R137 most white people (or black or Latino or whatever) are not living in diverse towns/neighbohoods! That's Hollywood fantasy at the moment where they're trying to be as inclusive as possible. Yes ,there are towns and regions where that applies, but not the majority of the country.

BTW: I'm in my thirties and also was a teen in the '90 in Mass. like I stated above.

R138 read what I wrote in r137. That applies to you.

NYC is the most segregated place on the face of the earth.

NYC wasn’t super segregated in the 90s minus certain areas. Now it’s bad.

Love the NYer talking about diversity! Bitch, NYC is a playground for rich white people these days! Going out in Manhattan and Brooklyn, it's all cliques of white people everywhere.

Shocked, Shocked I tell you! I really need this particular feminist to stick to what she knows best - acting.

R142 THESE DAYS.

Wasn’t like that 20 years ago.

These white people are not NYers. They’re the YOUs of the world. From almost all white towns then move to diverse cities to be around white folks while stealing our culture.

Oh do shut up r144. People have been coming to NYC since it was founded. I've lived there for 25 years. Fran Lebowitz, the quintessential NYer, is a New Jersey native. And nobody wants to steal your culture, believe me.

R127 Nubia would like a word with that man.

R145 you don’t? Then why do you all keep doing it to make money off of it?

Elvis Presley was the first to do that shit.

Oh lord r147. THX for playing!

R148 can’t take the truth.

It's not the truth.

It’s the truth.

In his scholarly work Race, Rock, and Elvis,[20] Tennessee State University professor Michael T. Bertrand examined the relationship between popular culture and social change in America and these allegations against Presley. Professor Bertrand postulated that Presley's rock and roll music brought an unprecedented access to African American culture that challenged the 1950s segregated generation to reassess ingrained segregationist stereotypes. The American Historical Review wrote that the author "convincingly argues that the black-and-white character of the sound, as well as Presley's own persona, helped to relax the rigid color line and thereby fed the fires of the civil rights movement." The U.S. government report stated: "Presley has been accused of "stealing" black rhythm and blues, but such accusations indicate little knowledge of his many musical influences." "However much Elvis may have 'borrowed' from black blues performers (e.g., 'Big Boy' Crudup, 'Big Mama' Thornton), he borrowed no less from white country stars (e.g., Ernest Tubb, Bill Monroe) and white pop singers," and most of his borrowings came from the church; its gospel music was his primary musical influence and foundation."

[quote]Lisa Turtles do exist. And why is she always singled out? Slater wasn’t white either.

R131, She's often singled out because, in a way, the character was groundbreaking. Probably because it was the first time kids were exposed to a black teen, who had none of the other troubles of other black teens seen on tv shows, who was rich. There was no "very special episode" about her. She was just their friend. She was also popular enough to go from the original series, "Good Morning Miss Bliss" to "Saved by the Bell" along with Zack and Screech.

[quote]That's Hollywood fantasy at the moment where they're trying to be as inclusive as possible.

R138, You just called it fantasy. Movies and tv shows don't have to reflect what happened in your "home town." [bold]They're not made just you.[/bold] And Hollywood has realized there's money (& higher ratings) in being inclusive.

Here's the cast of the CW series, "The Flash." It's the highest rated series on the Network. You can see the same thing on ABC with "Grey's Anatomy" or on NBC with "This is Us" which are the highest rated shows on their networks.

This trend is not going away.

^^ That should be, just for you.

Yet it's okay for her to be a c*nt to her coworker Kim Cattrall

Here's R147, lubed victim, struggling through his usual Friday night routine - listening to Elvis Presley records and getting his culture appropriated once again:

[R138], You just called it fantasy. Movies and tv shows don't have to reflect what happened in your "home town." They're not made just you. And Hollywood has realized there's money (& higher ratings) in being inclusive.

So, you agree that it's unrealistic and the country is not as diversified as these modern movies/shows make it appear. Last year, I watched an Italian girl's foreign exchange video where she did Hollywood vs. Reality list. She was amazed at how white the country still is. Or at least the region she went to. I believe it was Texas. She said the movies make it seem otherwise.

Let's try that again!

[quote][[R138]], You just called it fantasy. Movies and tv shows don't have to reflect what happened in your "home town." They're not made just you. And Hollywood has realized there's money (& higher ratings) in being inclusive.

So, you agree that it's unrealistic and the country is not as diversified as these modern movies/shows make it appear. Last year, I watched an Italian girl's foreign exchange video where she did Hollywood vs. Reality list. She was amazed at how white the country still is. Or at least the region she went to. I believe it was Texas. She said the movies make it seem otherwise.

Wouldn't matter is 1 was Asian or Latina, you need 1 black in everything now to shut them the fuck up.

R159 FUCK OFF. God some of you are so nasty

R160

Sorry, did that hurt ?

Like with all of the hoopla about the whiteness of the Academy Awards several years ago I found it ironic that when you listened to Jada Pinkett Smith, Chris Rock etc you quickly realized that they didn't give two shits about (all) people of color. They just want more black representation. PERIOD.

R161 that’s false. Chris Rock pointed out no Asian nominees etc.

Jada is one person. You don’t blame all black people for one. Fucking racist prick. You wouldn’t say this shit to my face.

R162

There you again: Gotta throw out the supposedly wicked RACIST word that is intended to shut down someone. Rock might have said it but when you listened to several of his interviews you realized differently. Also, what exactly has Chris Rock done to include Asians in any of his films ? Not a damn thing.

I am so sick of hearing about "racism" in casting. Most of the time the accusation has absolutely nothing to do with racism and takes away from the real incidents. Who gives a fuck about Hollywood representation of anything. Sorry, I don't care to see stunt casting of POC in traditionally white roles. " Ooh, we're going to explore another aspect of the character." Bullshit! August Wilson was correct in stating that POC ( read black) need to have their own narrative. To force POC into a role written for and espousing a culture not their own is the height of "racism." Sorry, Jamal, you don't have a story or culture worth exploring, so we're going to make you the first black Sweeney Todd. How daring we are!" Jada and Rock and anyone else with money need to invest in black filmmakers, storywriters, and actors to tell their story. A black Curley is the height of Uncle Tom-ism. But then, it's easier to just bitch. It gets you more publicity. And, after all, isn't that what it's all about?

R161: Are you one of those people that talk shit about black people comfortably anonymous but would never ever actually talk to any black people for any reason?

R165 it’s obvious he is.

Wow, some of you sound like it would pain you and upset your world to see a POC anywhere!

Sadly r167 that’s the case.

What this thread has turned into.....