Do you like Bob Dylan?

FUCK NO!

Pistol shots ring out in the barroom night Enter Patty Valentine from the upper hall She sees the bartender in a pool of blood Cries out, "My God, they killed them all!" Here comes the story of the Hurricane The man the authorities came to blame For somethin' that he never done Put in a prison cell, but one time he could-a been The champion of the world Three bodies lyin' there does Patty see And another man named Bello, movin' around mysteriously "I didn't do it, " he says, and he throws up his hands "I was only robbin' the register, I hope you understand I saw them leavin', " he says, and he stops "One of us had better call up the cops." And so Patty calls the cops And they arrive on the scene with their red lights flashin' In the hot New Jersey night Meanwhile, far away in another part of town Rubin Carter and a couple of friends are drivin' around Number one contender for the middleweight crown Had no idea what kinda shit was about to go down When a cop pulled him over to the side of the road Just like the time before and the time before that In Paterson that's just the way things go If you're black you might as well not show up on the street 'Less you want to draw the heat Alfred Bello had a partner and he had a rap for the cops Him and Arthur Dexter Bradley were just out prowlin' around He said, "I saw two men runnin' out, they looked like middleweights They jumped into a white car with out-of-state plates." And Miss Patty Valentine just nodded her head Cop said, "Wait a minute, boys, this one's not dead" So they took him to the infirmary And though this man could hardly see They told him that he could identify the guilty men Four in the mornin' and they haul Rubin in Take him to the hospital and they bring him upstairs The wounded man looks up through his one dyin' eye Says, "Wha'd you bring him in here for? He ain't the guy!" Yes, here's the story of the Hurricane The man the authorities came to blame For somethin' that he never done Put in a prison cell, but one time he could-a been The champion of the world Four months later, the ghettos are in flame Rubin's in South America, fightin' for his name While Arthur Dexter Bradley's still in the robbery game And the cops are puttin' the screws to him, lookin' for somebody to blame "Remember that murder that happened in a bar?" "Remember you said you saw the getaway car?" "You think you'd like to play ball with the law?" "Think it might-a been that fighter that you saw runnin' that night?" "Don't forget that you are white." Arthur Dexter Bradley said, "I'm really not sure." Cops said, "A poor boy like you could use a break We got you for the motel job and we're talkin' to your friend Bello Now you don't wanta have to go back to jail, be a nice fellow You'll be doin' society a favor That sonofabitch is brave and gettin' braver We want to put his ass in stir We want to pin this triple murder on him He ain't no Gentleman Jim." Rubin could take a man out with just one punch But he never did like to talk about it all that much It's my work, he'd say, and I do it for pay And when it's over I'd just as soon go on my way Up to some paradise Where the trout streams flow and the air is nice And ride a horse along a trail But then they took him to the jailhouse Where they try to turn a man into a mouse All of Rubin's cards were marked in advance The trial was a pig-circus, he never had a chance The judge made Rubin's witnesses...

R1 why?

Long rambling monologues sung in a nasal tone. Not my cup of tea.

Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts.

Stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again

Black Diamond Bay

That’s fair. I guess I like his lyrics.

Lay Lady Lay reminds me of when my parents loved each other before they divorced.

R4 they are not long monologues they are stories.

He tells stories.

Why can’t people just agree with me?

Ok songwriter but can't sing to save his life. He always absurdly gets listed on Rolling Stones 100 greatest singers anyway.

The greatest. Wrote among the most iconic songs of the 60s. "The Times They Are a Changing" 1964. He said it all before anyone else. "Blowin in the Wind". "Mr Tambourine Man". "Like a Rolling Stone". "I Shall be Released". The guy was an artist "A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall". And if you can't stand his voice, he was covered by plenty of great singers.

His voice is authentic and unique. He is the antithesis or computerized, studio boards, manufactured styles of singing. He definitely isn’t a classically trained musician.

R12 thank you

Scorsese has documented The Rolling Stones now he is working with Bob Dylan.

Enjoy. Harrison does Dylan.

I never met him.

I heard he didn’t cooperate with his award of a Pulitzer Prize.

The nails on a chalkboard voice prevents me from listening for more than 5 seconds.

“I threw it all away” is such a sad song. Story of my life, too! 😫

Under appreciated these days

I think it's odd that he's spending his twilight years putting out standards albums. If there's anyone we don't need to hear singing standards, it's probably him. But I guess he's at the stage where he can do whatever the hell he feels like.

No, not really. One our of a hundred songs is good... the media has built this ship.

Lyrics with depth aren't popular today, so it's understandable that people don't get Bob Dylan. Another great one if his:

Nope. He has three or four songs I'll listen to.

I prefer Lou Reed, Ray Davies, John Lennon, and Neil Young.

R26 And those men would most likely rank Dylan as the greatest.

Make you feel my love might be his trendiest song

R26

I don't care. You didn't ask them if they like Dylan.

You asked the people who are bothering to answer your biased thread.

Neil Young trying to do Dylan

Don't like his voice. Sounds like a cow giving birth. Must listen to real singers covering his songs (Peter, Paul and Mary, etc.).

Bob Dylan feeling empathy for Lee Harvey Oswald assassinating JFK.

I don't care if he could write a song.

"I'll stand up and to get uncompromisable about it, which I have to be to be honest, I just got to be, as I got to admit that the man who shot President Kennedy, Lee Oswald, I don't know exactly where — what he thought he was doing, but I got to admit honestly that I too — I saw some of myself in him. I don't think it would have gone — I don't think it could go that far. But I got to stand up and say I saw things that he felt, in me — not to go that far and shoot. [Boos and hisses] " one excerpt of his thoughts of identifying with Oswald.

Great article about Dylan's influence on John Lennon

I love Just Like A Woman, even though he treated Edie Sedgewick (about whom he wrote the song) like shit.

Dylan would have few gay fans I gather

Is he gay friendly ?

Lou Reed goes on at length about the greatness of Dylan. Mocks Lennon.

I like this. Not the Great Dylan, but I've just always loved it since I heard it.

The worst singer and the the worst concert performer ever.

His voice was bad, and weird. But damn, it just fit somehow. Love hearing Bob Dylan songs, by him, even though, yeah, by any objective standard he totally sucks as a singer.

God yes,

Definitely “Times They Are A Changing”, and “Lily Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts”. It’s story telling that few songwriters can touch, yet there are so many astonishing versions of his music. Nina Simone’s version of “Times” is my favorite.

He was good through Nashville Skyline. Then the quality dropped off. Blood on the Tracks, was the only good album, I think, he has released since Nashville Skyline.

R16/George, I honestly love you, but Please, Mister, Please let me show you how it's done:

One would think R35, yet Todd Haynes made a film about him. One I liked a lot more than the very gay Velvet Goldmine.

Olivia is soooo adorable there. Love the hippy milk-maid dress.

He has a lesbian daughter, Desiree Gabrielle Dennis-Dylan. Her mother is Bob Dylan's second wife, African-American back-up singer Carolyn Dennis. Bob did not attend Desiree's wedding when she married her girlfriend.

Good

I don’t think he’s the poet/lyricist or the musician that Joni Mitchell is/was, nor did he seem to progress like she did...

Tremendous writer, poor singer and by a non-trivial number of credible accounts, a shoddy human being.

This was co-written by Nobel Prize-winner Bob Dylan.

As great as Joni Mitchell was she never wrote anything as cuturally important as Dylan. "Blowin in the Wind" , "Times They Are A Changin" define an era.

*culturally

Things Have Changed

He had some iconic songs, but I think her body of work is superior to his. I think The Circle Game is a near perfect song, and Woodstock captured the essence of the era as well.

Not Dark Yet

R55 I like Love Sick from same album

Well at least Joni could sing (until recently).

Thanks, OP. Desire is my favorite Dylan album. Greatest Hits, v. II is my second favorite. Then Highway 61 and Blood on the Tracks.

I'm sorry, I can't bear to listen to him 'sing'.

Music for mouth breathers who hate his music too but listen to it anyway because they've heard Dylan is cool.

,,,,

"This is the story of the Hurricane/The one the authorities came to blame...."

Yes, lyrics like that deserve a Nobel Prize.

Does anyone who isn't a Baby Boomer like him? I've heard people my parents' age talk about his music enthusiastically, but he always seemed so boring to me.

He has a good looking grandson, Levi Dylan, son of Jakob.

the voice is super grating, the music is fine, just in another's hands

same I'd say about the beatles

He is good to listen to when stoned.

I heard Dylan fell asleep when Joni Mitchell was playing her new album Court and Spark for David Geffen...

Joni covering Dylan.

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R68, that must’ve been from her Hejira period. That sounds like it could easily have been a song on that album. Her distinct arrangements and backups are obvious, and she made that song her own...

The pic used for the vid at R68 looks like Rolling Thunder/Hejira era, but the vocals and production sound later to me.

I can respect his body of work but I don't ever want to listen to him. I do hate him for starting that cue card/sign board bullshit.

Well Dylan doesn’t need to cover Joni

Dylan actually did cover "Big Yellow Taxi." I wouldn't call it essential.

OP the Hurricane story is a LIE. Rubin Carter was guilty.

Remember that Dylan was a Jewish communist and Zionist. Dylan even idolized Meir Kahane, the Jewish terrorist/hate group leader of the JDL who also incited violence against US blacks.

On that same Bob Dylan album was another dishonest song about a guilty criminal, called "Joey". Joey was a violent gangster who even led a gang rape of a 14 year old black boy inside prison.

never

Dylan was/is also a pederast/pedophile.

R77, where did you hear that?

Perfect album= Blood on the Tracks.

Rubin Carter was a lot like Ferguson's Michael Brown, but Carter's violent crimes were a lot more premeditated.

Remember how the media and EVERY Jewish organization tried to pretend that Michael Brown was innocent, and that the white goy cop was an evil racist.

Jews project their own racism onto non-Jews, and Jews are also rabidly racist against white non-Jews in general.

Bob Dylan's "Hurricane" song was just another example of Jewish supremacists spreading propaganda about their eternal enemies, the white goyim in this case.

r78 here among other places. He likes 14 year old girls, and probably younger, just like Woody Allen, Alan Dershowitz, Roman Polanski, and the rest of that sociopathic tribe.

"Bob Dylan - Secret horndog. Just because he wasn't a "cock rock" type of guy people overlook it. He wrote beautiful lyrics but he was a womanizer to the highest degree. Came on to my aunt even after she said she was 16 or some shit (she wasn't)."

"Spot on about Dylan, [R35]. My friend did the wardrobe duties on one of his videos. He hit on her 14 year old daughter- no makeup or hoochie clothes, just a very hippie, wholesome look."

"Vile. I always assumed Dylan went after virginal types, and hated confident women.

I just read a piece about his marriage breakdown with Sara Lownds. He fucked other women openly during the marriage but when she tried to separate, he refused to leave the house in LA. One morning Sara came downstairs and Dylan and their children were having breakfast - with his mistress! He also used to enter the house late at night, barge into Sarah's room and just stand there in silence, staring at her. She was terrified."

Media missed the real story of the late Hurricane Carter

Posted Apr 23, 2014

"When Rubin “Hurricane” Carter died the other day, the newspapers were filled with articles praising him as some sort of a civil-rights activist who was jailed for a crime he didn’t commit. Nonsense. These guys needed to do their research before parroting untruths. ... As for the murders themselves, there is ample evidence that both of Carter's convictions were correct. You will see that both on Cal Deal's site and in my writings on the subject below. Carter was never cleared of the murders by any court. The prosecutor could have tried him a third time after he was let off by an outrageously liberal judge who was a publicity hound. But the prosecutor decided it was not worth the effort given that Carter had already spent so much time in prison.

The articles below appeared in the Star-Ledger in 2000, when that dreadful movie “The Hurricane” came out. Even Carter’s defenders admit that movie was one big lie. But many of the obituary writers accepted it as true and repeated the scenes as fact, without giving the attribution that journalists are supposed to provide.

This Hurricane is full of hot air

Pop stars come and pop stars go, but amid all this change there is one eternal truth: Whenever Bob Dylan writes a song about a guy, the guy is guilty as sin.

That was the case with California psychopath George Jackson ("Lord, lord they shot George Jackson down"), New York mobster Joey Gallo ("Joe-eee, Joe-eee, why did they have to come and blow you A-way") and Paterson's own Rubin "Hurricane" Carter (In perhaps the dumbest couplet of a dumb career, Dylan rhymes "trigger" with the N-word.)

Juries twice found Carter guilty of a triple murder. The evidence against him was overwhelming. He finally was granted a third trial on a technicality, but no judge ever said or implied that he was framed or that he did not commit the murders.

You wouldn't know that from the new movie "The Hurricane" - or by the gullible reaction to it by supposedly neutral journalists. In headline after headline, the reviews refer to Carter as a boxer who was "framed" and treat the fictional version of events as if they had occurred in real life.

The movie disregards or distorts virtually every fact of the case. It starts with the fudging of Carter's criminal record to make it appear that Carter, then 24, was in jail in 1961 because he fought back against a child molester when he was 11. In fact, he was in jail because he mugged people when he was an adult.

Then there's his fight record. The movie has him pummeling Philadelphian Joey Giardello in a middleweight title bout only to be robbed of a decision. In fact, Giardello won convincingly. Carter griped about the judges, but a poll of ringside sportswriters had Giardello winning 11 rounds to four. Giardello is threatening to sue over his portrayal.

R84

I'm shocked Dylan never wrote (as far as I know) a song defending Lee Harvey Oswald.

He's on record sympathizing, and identifying with Oswald after he killed JFK.

Newark activist Carolyn Kelley in 1976 with John Artis and Hurricane Carter. Not long afterward, Carter beat Kelley within an inch of her life.

r85 correct. Dylan gave a public speech just days after 11/22/63 basically celebrating the JFK assassination and admitting his admiration for Oswald.

Probably because JFK refused to give Israel the A-Bomb. That was Jack Ruby's motivation for conspiring to kill JFK. From prison after 1963, Ruby wrote paranoid letters about how Israel was in danger of being Holocausted. Ruby also ran guns to the Jewish terrorists who founded Israel in the 1940s.

Bob Dylan first met Jewish terrorist Meir Kahane when Kahane was giving Bar Mitzvah lessons to Woody Guthrie's son Arlo in the early 60s.

As soon as the black civil rights leaders started criticizing Jewish slumlords, predatory lenders, liquor store owners, drug dealers, pimps, and mafia that owned the cops in black neighborhoods, in the mid-60s, the Jews used Meir Kahane's Jewish Defense League to aggressively attack the black community, and Bob Dylan fully supported the JDL and Kahane.

Even before the 1966 killings in the Lafayette Bar and Grill in Paterson, Carter had done enough to earn himself a life sentence. At least, if you take his word for it. Cal Deal, a former reporter who covered the case and who now lives in Florida, has compiled a Website about it. It includes a Saturday Evening Post article that was published just before Carter's middleweight title fight against Joey Giardello in 1964.

In the article, Carter bragged of the knifing that caused him to spend most of his teen years in a Jamesburg reformatory: "That's right, atrocious assault at age eleven. I stuck a man with my knife. I stabbed him everywhere but the bottom of his feet." He also described how, after he got out of the reformatory for that offense, he and his partner would go out on the streets of Paterson and "shoot at folks."

'Sometimes just to shoot at 'em, sometimes to hit 'em, sometimes to kill 'em."

'I couldn't begin to tell you how many hits, muggings and stickups. No use even trying to count them. We'd just use the guns like we had a license to carry them."

None of this is in the movie, of course. If the viewers knew that Carter was the type of guy who'd brag about shooting people in 1964, they'd understand why he might be inclined to put his ideas into practice a mere two years later.

Instead, Carter is portrayed as a clean-living, law-abiding guy. Della Pesca-DeSimone, meanwhile, is portrayed as a vicious racist who shadows Carter throughout his life.

Bob Dylan Accused of Plagiarizing Nobel Lecture From SparkNotes

Slate writer Andrea Pitzer uncovers striking similarities between musician’s thoughts on ‘Moby-Dick,’ entry on CliffsNotes-like site

Bob Dylan may have plagiarized portions of his Nobel Prize lecture from SparkNotes, an online version of CliffsNotes, according to a new piece from Andrea Pitzer on Slate. Pitzer uncovered the similarities between the SparkNotes entry on Herman Melville’s Moby Dick – one of three books Dylan discussed in his lecture – after writer Ben Greenman noted that Dylan might have made up a quote from Moby-Dick.

Dylan was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature last October, though he declined to attend the December ceremony. On June 4th, he delivered a lecture to the Swedish Academy in Los Angeles, fulfilling all the requisites to receive the $900,000 award that accompanies the Nobel Prize.

As Greenman first pointed out on his website, Dylan seemingly invented a moment in Moby-Dick when a “Quaker pacifist priest” tells Captain Ahab’s third mate, Flask, “Some men who receive injuries are led to God, others are led to bitterness.” While Greenman was unable to find the relevant quote in several editions of Moby-Dick, Pitzer discovered that SparkNotes described the preacher as “someone whose trials have led him toward God rather than bitterness.”

In all, Pitzer said she found at least 20 sentences in Dylan’s lecture that resembled the SparkNotes entry on Moby-Dick. Representatives for Dylan, the Nobel Prize committee and SparkNotes did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

In collecting the instances where Dylan seemed to crib from SparkNotes, Pitzer noted where certain key phrases appeared on the site but not in the book. For instance, Dylan says of Captain Ahab, “He calls Moby the emperor, sees him as the embodiment of evil.” While “embodiment of evil” never appears in Melville’s novel, SparkNotes says of Ahab, “he sees the whale as the embodiment of evil.”

Bob Dylan, Plagiarist?

Was Dylan's rise to songwriting fame ethical?

Back in April 2010, the blogosphere went amok after folksinger Joni Mitchell slandered Bob Dylan in the LA Times with a couple of kidney shots, accusing him of plagiarism. The debate over why Mitchell delivered the ultimate insult varied. “Envy” some proclaimed, while others chalked it up to interviewer Matt Diehl's ill-advised attempt to compare Mitchell with Bob Dylan: “The folk scene you came out of had fun creating personas. You were born Roberta Joan Anderson, and someone named Bobby Zimmerman became Bob Dylan.” And an inflamed Mitchell fired back: “Bob is not authentic at all. He’s a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I.” Ouch. Especially coming from a one-time stage mate and friend. Regardless, “plagiarist” is a mighty bold word to be flicking at anyone.

Back in June 2009, Christie's of New York auctioned one of Dylan's earliest handwritten poems, “Little Buddy,” scribbled in blue ink in crooked kid writing on a sheet of paper. Proudly signed “Bobby Zimmerman,” Dylan wrote the poem in 1957 and submitted it to The Herzl Herald, his Jewish summer camp paper.

Less than 24 hours after Christie's announced the auction, somebody phoned Reuters news service saying that the poem was actually an old Hank Snow song titled, incidentally, “Little Buddy.”

Innocent as it was, obviously nobody ever schooled young Bobby Zimmerman on copyright infringement. But this poem is a very early example of Dylan's style of borrowing lyrics and melodies from various songs and stitching them together to form his own creations.

In American folk music, it's been a long-standing tradition to cut and paste from the songs of preceding generations. It's not only encouraged, but expected, and upon his 1961 arrival in New York, Dylan quickly proved his mastery at the form, borrowing left and right not only from his musical idol, Woody Guthrie but from old folk songs and American blues in the public domain. For instance, 1962's “The Ballad of Hollis Brown” owes its melody to the 1920s ballad, “Pretty Polly,” while the arrangement for “Masters of War” was taken from Jean Ritchie's “Nottamun Town,” an English folk song whose roots date back to the middle ages.

He's been copywriting old American tunes that were part of the history of this nation. He's a rat faced asshole who took Woody Guthrie's whole schtick.

Yeah, he had some original moments, but no, I've never liked him and even less the more I heard about him

Modern Times (2006) became Dylan's most controversial record in regards to blatantly lifting lyrics and melodies—without crediting the original authors. While it was nothing new for Dylan, some fans were unfamiliar with the idea of pastiche and how much it figured into Dylan's songwriting style. After the album's release, scholars noted that lyrics in several songs were strikingly similar to the work of Civil War-era Confederate poet, Henry Timrod:

From Timrod's “Retirement”: “There is a wisdom that grows up in strife.”

From Dylan's “When the Deal Goes Down”: “Where wisdom grows up in strife.”

From Timrod's “Two Portraits”: “How then, O weary one!/Explain the sources of that hidden pain?”

From Dylan's “Spirit on the Water”: Can't explain/The sources of this hidden pain.”

While Dylan borrowed fragments of Timrod's poetry for "When the Deal Goes Down," the melody is based on Bing Crosby's staple hit, "Where the Blue of the Night (Meets the Gold of the Day).” On another note, Dylan used Muddy Waters' blues arrangement practically note for note in “Rollin' and Tumblin',” changing most of the lyrics but keeping the title. Dozens of these instances pepper the entire album. However, the album liner notes state, “All songs written by Bob Dylan.”

***SHOCKING!***

Bob Dylan exposed as fraud!!!!

r94 Albert Einstein was another media created Jewish Genius fraud. He was a patent clerk during WW1, when it was really easy for him to just steal ideas and present them as his own.

The reason he left Europe for America is because the entire scientific community there knew he was a total fraud. But the US media protected his image, because Einstein was great for the idea of Jewish Chosenness/superiority.

Sigmund Freud was much the same way. Most of his ideas were taken from Nietzsche's aphorisms, uncredited of course.

It's just like Mark Zuckerberg, who Jon Stewart and the media pretend is some great genius, while they bash the Winklevoss brothers are bitter jealous goyim.

And it was (((Larry Summers))) who allowed Zuckerberg to steal the code from the Winklevoss goyim, then Summers connected Zuckerberg with all the big Wall Street Jews.

Dylan's just the best. Inconvenient truths is what he's always been great at.

Ok, I see this is another one of the DL's favorite trollers finally getting back into his particularly anti-semetic groove. He gets banned and comes back on the regular. Probably started the gentrification thread, too.

r99 even that song is a socipathic Jewish song about a dying shiksa drug addict from a blue-blooded WASP family.

His real name isn't even Dylan! Those crafty Jews!

Joni Mitchell knew that Rubin Carter was full of shit, but Bob Dylan wanted to inflame racial tensions when they were at their worst:

Recorded in October of 1975, and released as the opening track of the 1976 album Desire, “Hurricane” is Dylan's riveting blow-by-blow account of the plight of middleweight boxer Rubin “Hurricane” Carter, who was convicted for a 1966 “race killing” during the peak of racial tensions in North America.

Dylan Meets the Hurricane Serving a triple life sentence (along with his alleged accomplice John Artis) for three murders in a New Jersey barroom shootout in June 1966, Rubin “Hurricane” Carter had already served eight years when Bob Dylan rolled into his life. When The 16th Round, the autobiography proclaiming Carter's innocence, was published on April 30, 1974, copies were sent to numerous celebrities in hopes of drawing attention to the cause in a new campaign for his release.

Folksinger Joni Mitchell was one of the recipients of the book, and she quickly passed on the opportunity, thinking, “This is a bad person. He's fakin' it.” Dylan, who had recently written “George Jackson”—a song about the wrongful death of a Marxist black militant—had no such thoughts. During a 1975 trip to France, Dylan read the book, and in May following his return, he visited the boxer who was incarcerated in New Jersey. The two met for hours, with Dylan taking notes and both men finding an instant rapport.

According to Carter, “We sat and talked for many, many hours, and I recognized the fact that here was a brother.” Dylan couldn't have agreed more: “I realized that the man’s philosophy and my philosophy were running down the same road, and you don’t meet too many people like that.”

r102 and Jon Stewart's real name is Liebowitz, and his brother ran the NY Stock Exchange.

Bob Dylan’s embrace of Israel’s war crimes

18 October 2016

Controversially, musical genius Bob Dylan received the Nobel Prize for literature last week.

Even some critics who acknowledged his musical brilliance have argued that awarding a musician was a step that too dramatically expanded the definition of literature. What few dispute is that his music inspired millions in the midst of the anti-war and civil rights movements.

But there is also a less pleasant, less known side to the artist, particularly his views on Israel, Meir Kahane and the Jewish Defense League.

In 1983, in The New York Times, Stephen Holden described Dylan’s album Infidels as “a disturbing artistic semirecovery by a rock legend who seemed in recent years to have lost his ability to engage the Zeitgeist.”

Holden asserted that a “stomping, hollering rhetorical tone infuses the two most specifically political songs, ‘Neighborhood Bully,’ an outspoken defense of Israel, and ‘Union Sundown,’ a gospel-blues indictment of American labor unions.”

“The lyrics suggest an angry crackpot throwing wild punches and hoping that one or two will land,” Holden added.

With its opening lyrics parroting Israel’s own narrative of being the blameless, perpetual victim of Arab violence, “Neighborhood Bully” came just a year after Israel’s bloody invasion of Lebanon that would claim tens of thousands of lives:

Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man

His enemies say he’s on their land

They got him outnumbered about a million to one

He got no place to escape to, no place to run

He’s the neighborhood bully

The invasion of Lebanon was a calamitous war, widely opposed even in Israel where it was likened to the US quagmire in Vietnam.

Yet Dylan sang these words exonerating Israel even after the world had witnessed the horrifying massacres of Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps by an Israeli-allied militia during the occupation of Beirut.

Today, the lyrics read like a prelude to the racist nationalism embodied in the politics of today’s Israeli leaders, including Benjamin Netanyahu, Avigdor Lieberman and Naftali Bennett.

Deeper into the tune, Dylan betrays an ignorance of the enormous support given by the US government to Israel, notably the huge influx of military support provided by the administration of President Jimmy Carter shortly before the release of the album.

That funding continues to this day with the record-breaking $38 billion in military aid over 10 years recently negotiated by the Obama administration.

Yet Dylan sings:

He got no allies to really speak of

What he gets he must pay for, he don’t get it out of love

He buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied

I can sense him comin' after me gold as we speak

Bob Dylan pretending to convert to Christianity was also a tricky Jew move.

It was all about promoting Christian support for Israel/Zionism.

"Neighborhood Bully" - The repeated line "He's just one man". Was Dylan referring to Ariel Sharon?

r108 No, that was Bob pretending that Israel doesn't have any allies. Poor Israel has only been given like 1 trillion dollars since it's founding, and trillions more fighting wars on Israel's behalf.

The Iraq War cost 3-4 trillion dollars, and it was fought for Israel.

War with Iran, for Israel, would cost 5-10 trillion dollars. Hillary promised war on Iran for Israel, and Trump is being dragged into it right now.

But poor Israel doesn't have any power, lol.

The Jew cries in pain as he strikes you, that's an old Polish proverb.

Something's happening here but I don't know what it is.

I like that song with the kazoo.

The movie "The Hurricane" claims to be based on a true story of a boxer's life. But it leaves out the one fight that truly revealed the nature of Rubin "Hurricane" Carter: his one-punch knockout of Carolyn Kelley.

Kelley is a nice, hard-working 61-year-old woman from Newark. She was working as a bail bondswoman in 1975 when Muhammad Ali asked her to get involved in the effort to win a new trial for Carter, who claimed he had been framed in a triple murder.

She devoted more than a year of her life to raising funds for Carter. That effort was successful, and Carter's appeal was upheld. In March 1976, Carter was released on bail to await a new trial.

Six weeks later, the tough middleweight boxer beat the 112-pound Kelley into unconsciousness and left her lying in a fetal position on the floor of his hotel room. Kelley called me after she read my columns pointing out that the movie distorts virtually every fact of Carter's life story.

For the first time, she revealed the whole story behind the beating.

In the months immediately after it, she says, she was pressured by Carter's supporters. They knew they had to keep her from getting the whole story out. Her story reveals not just that Carter was a brutal thug but also reveals key defects in his campaign to prove he was framed. In interviews with Kelley and her son Michael, I heard the details of the beatings.

'Rubin used to tell me time and time again, 'You've met Rubin and you know Carter, but you've never met the Hurricane. The Hurricane's bad. The Hurricane's mean.

"After she returned to her hotel room, she had to phone Carter about a minor discrepancy over who would pay for the room. She called him twice, she says, and each time he cursed at her. She figured he didn't recognize her voice, so she got in her car and drove across the complex to his room.

Carter opened the door and burst into maniacal laughter, she recalls. Then he went to the bathroom and began gargling with Charlie cologne. "Then it clicked: I had to get out of there. But there he was, between me and the door.

'I didn't see it coming," she says of the punch that floored her. "I felt everything getting dark. I remember praying to Allah, 'Please help me,' and apparently Allah rolled me over, and he kicked me in the back instead of kicking my guts out. Allah saved my life."

Shortly thereafter, her son Michael was called to the room by a couple of other members of the entourage who told him "something happened to my mother in Carter's room." 'My mother was laying on the floor, near the door; she was in a fetal position with her back to that door," he said.

The members of the security team wouldn't say exactly what happened, Kelley recalls. They suggested she had fallen, "but there was nothing in the room where you might fall and hit your back on, like a dresser."

He said Carter denied hitting her. "He said, 'You know I wouldn't touch her.' He was denying he put any hands on her.

'I was ready to get a weapon that I had at my disposal. I was going to go to jail that night," he recalls.

Instead, Michael Kelley fought back his anger. He took his mother to a room and iced down the large lump on her cheek and the black eyes. The next day he put her on a plane back to Newark, where she was met by three Newark women. She collapsed when she got off the plane and had to be given oxygen by flight attendants.

She checked into a hospital and was in traction a month later for her back injuries. Rumors of the beating were starting to get out. Finally Chuck Stone, a columnist for the Philadelphia Daily News, broke the story of the beating in a front-page article.

Stone had been a strong supporter of Carter's. But he knew Kelley from other civil rights struggles. He was troubled by the beating. In his column, Stone quoted Kelley:

'Rubin used to tell me time and time again, 'You've met Rubin and you know Carter, but you've never met the Hurricane. The Hurricane's bad. The Hurricane's mean."

Carolyn Kelley has been cured of any illusions about Carter. She chose to speak out because she is appalled that the national media are ignoring the facts of the case. She saw him on the recent telecast of the Golden Globe awards lecturing the gullible showbiz audience on love.

'I sat there and my heart was beating out of my chest. I was in pain. How dare you talk about love? You can't love anyone, even yourself."

She has this explanation for how Carter has gotten the nation to ignore his thuggish past and treat him as a hero. "He's Satan, and Satan can fool a lot of people."

"The more guilty the better"

Hollywood is convinced Rubin Carter was railroaded. But the man who was closest to him at the time is not so sure. Surprising? Not at all.

The Carter case fits a familiar pattern, one that might be called the cult of the avenger. There is always one of these cases in the news. There's always some guy who claims he was unjustly convicted of killing someone. And there's always a cult of true believers devoted to proving their hero was denied a fair trial.

The interesting thing is that the weight of evidence against the hero is irrelevant. In fact, the guiltier the better. That is proven by the case of the man who has succeeded Carter as a cult hero, Mumia Abu-Jamal. Unlike Carter, who at least had the good sense not to be stopped at the scene of the crime, Jamal was literally caught with a smoking gun. He was sitting just a few feet away from the Philadelphia cop he had shot to death.

But Jamal's lack of an alibi put him at no disadvantage. In the years since his conviction in 1982, Jamal has assembled what may be the largest such cult in history. From his cell on death row in Pennsylvania, Jamal inspired a riot in San Francisco. He is idolized in Paris, London and Amsterdam.

Ed Asner believed Abu-Jamal was a victim of racism and worked to get him freed.

I liked and respected Asner, but his stance on this murderer made it hard to me took at Asner the same way.

^^^^^took = to look at Asner

"Joey" is a song from Bob Dylan's 1976 album Desire. It was written by Dylan and Jacques Levy, who collaborated with Dylan on most of the songs on the album. In a 2009 interview with Bill Flanagan, Dylan claimed that Levy wrote all the words to this song.

Meaning The song treats Gallo sympathetically, despite his violent history.[3][4] Gallo had been accused of at least two murders and had been convicted of several felonies.[4] But the song gives him credit for distrusting guns, being reluctant to kill hostages and shielding his family when he was being killed, and makes him appear to be an unwilling participant in the crimes of his henchmen, thus not deserving his fate.[4][5] As a result of the sympathetic treatment, critics such as Lester Bangs harshly criticized Dylan and the song. Bangs described it as "repellent romanticist bullshit".[4] However, Dylan claims that he always thought of Gallo as a kind of hero and an underdog fighting against the elements.[6] Besides his status as an outsider, Dylan was likely also drawn to Gallo's best friends in prison being black men.[7] In addition Gallo was able to gain sympathy in artistic circles by passing himself off as a cultured person victimized by the "system".

Crazy Joe Gallo

Bob Dylan's romantic account of this mobster's life conveniently glosses over the man's cold-blooded ruthlessness. (Lester Bangs called the song "one of the most mindlessly amoral pieces of repellent romanticist bullshit ever recorded".) But Dylan did get Gallo's death correct: he was indeed blown down in a clam bar in New York.

I saw Bob Dylan once when he gave his all. Around 1974 with The Band. He sang five or six songs solo.

Sadly, that was it.

I saw him when a then-unknown Jewel opened for him. She joined him onstage at the end of his set to sing "I Shall Be Released". He was creeping on her onstage, and then he ended up showing up at her other shows, trying to get her to sleep with his old creepy ass. She turned him down.

He wasn't the best singer but my God his lyrics were poetry.

r122 He ripped off lyrics left and right. And even in songs where he has a listed co-writer, people still give him all the credit.

Have you noticed once Jews involved themselves in art, music. literature, science, and politics, all those subjects were soon dead in ugly premature ways.

r124 yes I have noticed that.

Did you know that Woody Guthrie himself was recruited by Communist Jews in Los Angeles, who realized they could use folk music to promote their communist agenda?

Bob Dylan and his phony Civil Rights activism fits right in with that, and it even dovetails perfectly with his Zionist Jewish supremacist ideology.

White goyim = bad, Jews and blacks = good

And as soon as blacks were no longer good for the Jews, the Jews founded the Jewish Defense League with Bob Dylan's enthusiastic support.

Also, Bob Dylan wrote (and stole the music for) "Masters of War" while JFK was president. As soon as JFK was killed and LBJ dragged us into a full-on invasion of Vietnam, Bob Dylan immediately stopped singing anti-war protests.

"Masters of War" wasn't a war protest, it was a communist JFK protest.

Brilliant. That could've been ripped from today's headlines R2. I always have a hard time following his lyrics and I've always liked Hurricane.

So thank you.

Please post lyrics you like, fellas.

Always thought New Morning was an underrated record

About 10 years ago Joni Mitchell said everything about Dylan is fake....

I like some of his songs. "I Want You" and "A Simple of Twist of Fate" are both great.

I remember being so surprised when I learned "Make You Feel My Love" was written by him. It's so much more conventional than the other stuff of his I've heard.

I love the scene in Harry Hill (see 8:23) in which Burt Kwouk sings "Hey Little Hen" in the style of Bob Dylan.

Joni has also said that Dylan and Leonard Cohen are her two biggest "pacesetters" when it comes to somgwriting. She's grouchy and Dylan has often been an ass. Still love her.

Yes, I’m a fan. He’s a great songwriter. And I really enjoyed his memoir Chronicles.

"As great as Joni Mitchell was she never wrote anything as cuturally important as Dylan. 'Blowin in the Wind' , 'Times They Are A Changin' define an era."

But "Woodstock" doesn't???

Joni is jealous that Bob Dylan won the Nobel Prize in Literature.

Probably, but Joni is the real deal and not a plagiarizing poseur...

Look at the pinky on his left hand. Why are all the musicians from the 60s missing parts of or entire fingers?

Joni is a great artiste but Dylan is a legend. No comparison

The kids don't seem too interested in Dylan -- or even Joni Mitchell.

Dylan is awful. A few hit songs from 50something years ago. The worst singing voice imaginable. Ugly. Shitty to girls and women. A plagiarist. What’s not to love?

Did he really rip off lines from SPARK NOTES?

Ah, you see, it’s the great American folk tradition to borrow...

But he’s one of a kind.

"Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie" is a poem written by American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan, and recited live during his April 12, 1963 performance at New York City's Town Hall.[1] It was released in 1991 on The Bootleg Series Volumes 1-3 ........ The poem is essentially an analysis of hope. Dylan sets the scene by describing the stressors of everyday life and the myriad of challenging choices we have to make. These stimuli can, essential, cause us to feel alone, lost and without hope. Dylan then explains the function of hope and how we need something to give our lives meaning. He then finishes the poem by suggesting that Woody Guthrie is as much a source of hope and beauty in the world as God, or religion.[3] wikipedia

Dylan has a Nobel Prize and Joni has Morgellons disease.

After Dylan, the Nobel Prize in Literature stopped being awarded.

The jewish touch/kill theory.

[quote]He's on record sympathizing, and identifying with Oswald after he killed JFK.

Show us your "record," r85.

Legend implies a certain exaggeration, while artiste is more pure and honest...you choose...

R144

Sure, here's the second time it's been posted.

R133 "Woodstock" is certainly a lovely song but it's nowhere as important as the anthem "Blowin in the Wind'.

You either get Bob Dylan, or you don’t. Imperious queens aren’t likely to.

He came to Manhattan from Minnesota in 1961 at the age of 19. Within two years he was The Messiah.

If he had died after the 1966 motorcycle accident we’d still be talking about him. Much of his iconic work had been completed by then.

“Tangled Up in Blue” typifies the vocal and written artistry that led to the Nobel Prize.

“Neighborhood Bully” is another soaring composition and an eloquently blatant defense of Israel.

“Positively Fourth Street” remains searing and “Knocking on Heaven’s Door” is monumentally elegiac.

To deny his greatness is inane.

R148

Whatever you say, Bob.

Someone must’ve struck a nerve to elicit the ‘imperious queens’ slur. It just showed you’re an asshole...

Joan Crawford, dressed up as Jackie Kennedy, made the kill shot in the limo. Both Oswalds were at the movies, one in the balcony, one down below.

Dylan was a fucking genius. He was wonderful. If you don't appreciate Dylan, you should have to return your brain and ears to the registry office -- without a refund.

But I would still like to know why he and nearly every big musician from the '60s were missing fingers.

"I wish that just one time you could stand inside my shoes, you'd know what a drag it is to see you".

Can't stand pretentious Mr. Croaky.

Things Have Changed

"People are crazy and times are strange

I’m locked in tight, I’m out of range

I used to care, but things have changed

I’ve been walking forty miles of bad road

If the Bible is right, the world will explode

I’ve been trying to get as far away from myself as I can

Some things are too hot to touch

The human mind can only stand so much

You can’t win with a losing hand

I hurt easy, I just don’t show it

You can hurt someone and not even know it

The next sixty seconds could be like an eternity

Gonna get low down, gonna fly high

All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie

I’m in love with a woman who don’t even appeal to me"

Awful voice, thank god twenty somethings and younger don't have any idea of who he is. He's a misogynistc piece of shit and a plagiarist if I've even seen one. Hope he croaks soon.

A Giant in the Pantheon, R154.

Random question: who’s a better lyricist, Bob Dylan or Stephen Sondheim?

Well Bob has the Nobel...

Sondheim.

R157's is obviously a joke question.

I like this song

Where are all the artists that could be taking down Trump?

Do memes count?

Joni Mitchell was great writing about her own personal angst. Dylan tackled the big themes. He wrote this in 1963 and summed up the decade that was unfolding. The song was a precursor. Lyrics like this are why he won the Nobel.

Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone. If your time to you Is worth savin' Then you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen Please heed the call Don't stand in the doorway Don't block up the hall For he that gets hurt Will be he who has stalled

There's a battle outside And it is ragin'. It'll soon shake your windows And rattle your walls For the times they are a-changin'. Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is Rapidly agin'. Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'.

My mother was only in her early 30s back in the early sixties, but she was listening to Sinatra. She never got the sixties movement, civil rights, woman’s movement - none of it

Bless her soul, but she was tone deaf

r165 your mother was right. Jews destroyed the US through those subversive movements.

I had no idea he was controversial I just like his lyrics and music.

R165

If your mother was listening to Sinatra, she was definitely not tone deaf.

Maybe she had a problem with a Lee Harvey Oswald supporter.

Blue Joni Mitchell I love this album.

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He was criticized for his performance at the Desert Trip festival in October, 2016, for his poor presentation and the fact he would not allow the video cameras to show him live on the big screens. For his performance on the second weekend he changed is policy to allow him to be shown on the screens. Festivalgoers rated his performances lowest among all the acts.

r170 good stuff. Zimmerman was probably pissed that he couldn't charge a penny for each photograph.

I can't even tell if he fell down or if he was just picking up a penny.

Here's another funny blooper of a video.

Wow the Jew hating loons have infested this thread

Give r173 a Nobel Prize for literature

Not Dark Yet

"Shadows are falling and I’ve been here all day

It’s too hot to sleep, time is running away

Feel like my soul has turned into steel

I’ve still got the scars that the sun didn’t heal

There’s not even room enough to be anywhere

It’s not dark yet, but it’s getting there

Well, my sense of humanity has gone down the drain

Behind every beautiful thing there’s been some kind of pain

She wrote me a letter and she wrote it so kind

She put down in writing what was in her mind

I just don’t see why I should even care

It’s not dark yet, but it’s getting there

Well, I’ve been to London and I’ve been to gay Paree

I’ve followed the river and I got to the sea

I’ve been down on the bottom of a world full of lies

I ain’t looking for nothing in anyone’s eyes

Sometimes my burden seems more than I can bear

It’s not dark yet, but it’s getting there

I was born here and I’ll die here against my will

I know it looks like I’m moving, but I’m standing still

Every nerve in my body is so vacant and numb

I can’t even remember what it was I came here to get away from

Don’t even hear a murmur of a prayer

It’s not dark yet, but it’s getting there"

Fraud and phony. Middle-class Jew posturing as some backwoods hillbilly. Had plenty of other people helping along the BD enterprise. There was some interview he did a while ago where he was practically shaking his head in bafflement over his career, and said "I guess you really can fool all of the people all of the time." Joni has every right to be pissed, but being an enormously gifted songwriter was second nature to her; in most of her in-depth interviews, she far prefers to talk about her painting.

Did he ever, even once, take a stance (politically or otherwise) during the years when his young, core audience could really have used a mouthpiece for their anti-war stance? To decry the establishment? No. He collected the money, acted like a petulant stereotypical rock star, and said nothing--proving he had nothing to say after all. Add "coward" to the list of things this guy is. No wonder he was embarrassed at being awarded the Nobel Prize. He's just on the pavement, thinkin' 'bout the government.

R173, agreed. Unfortunately, they have infested DL.

r176 I wouldn't be surprised if somebody else wrote "Blowin' In The Wind" and "Times They Are A-Changin'"

He was surrounded with Jewish communists who had a message, and they just wanted a fresh young face to deliver it.

And Dylan lied about his age too. He presented himself as 20 when he was at least 21, and maybe 22.

Another work of brilliance from Dylan.

Joni, Cass, Mary Travers

I was an occasional fan, and really appreciate his songs even though I can’t get over the singing. “Girl From The North Country” at the Public last year really changed my mind. Just one astonishing song after another.

Things Have Changed (more...)

"A worried man with a worried mind

No one in front of me and nothing behind

There’s a woman on my lap and she’s drinking champagne

Got white skin, got assassin’s eyes

I’m looking up into the sapphire-tinted skies

I’m well dressed, waiting on the last train

This place ain’t doing me any good

I’m in the wrong town, I should be in Hollywood

Just for a second there I thought I saw something move

Gonna take dancing lessons, do the jitterbug rag

Ain’t no shortcuts, gonna dress in drag

Only a fool in here would think he’s got anything to prove

Lot of water under the bridge, lot of other stuff too

Don’t get up gentlemen, I’m only passing through"

The greats come out to pay respect to Dylan. This number is exhilarating. Love the Byrds' version. Ra itmones. The Hollies.

*Ramones

r182, please, don't. We can look up lyrics if we want to read them. It clutters the page.

Yes OP, very much for a long time.

As my grandfather would say "it's a nice song, sure, but it's no Girl From Ipanema."

Great lyricist and he seems to be close to all of his kids and grandkids.

I will NEVER, EVER, EVER understand why some people hate Jews! I just don’t get it.

He hosted Deep Tracks on Sirius for awhile in 2011. It was amazing.

r189 Is a collective narcissist. Jewish culture is collective narcissism. Kicked out of 109 places and counting, and no self-criticism. Zero.

Love him as an artist. Saw him perform twice, once in a very small, private venue, and I can confirm he’s an asshole.

The man does NOT like performing publicly, even in a room with no more than 100 people, some who he has known for most of his life. I get the sense that he doesn’t like many people, and not because he’s shy or anxious, but because he just doesn’t like people in general. Oh well.

No one writes lyrics like Dylan. No one.

I'm happy to say.

R192, for someone who doesn't like performing publicly, he still tours a lot. I love him as an artist, too.

Wow. I just read the rest of this thread.

Where are all of these anti-semitic trolls coming from, and why haven’t they been banned?

I saw him perform in Italy. He did a good part of the concert almost with his back to the audience. He did not sing any of his famous songs. The concert was just awful. But no matter: he's the greatest pop/rock/folk lyricist the US has produced. And I don't give a shit about his private life.

R196 I agree with you!

He is so tedious. If he plays boring songs with his back to the audience, .... why is considered a great artist?

R198, LYRICS.

Times they are a’changing and Blowing in the Wind are American classics. Right up there with Pete Seeger’s claasics.

Rolling Thunder Revue: A Bob Dylan Story by Martin Scorsese launches worldwide June 12th on Netflix

Have they aired Renaldo and Clara

That's Dylan

Link

The four hour cut is wild

I got about halfway through Rolling Thunder Revue on Netflix before the endless, sycophantic ass kissing of Allen Ginsberg made me switch off.

" He was a saint like figure."

Puke.

I have liked a number of his records, Desire chief among them, but I have no desire to add to what I already know about his personality.

Did he have anything to do with Jakob Dylan's career tanking?

Rolling Thunder Revue: A Bob Dylan Story by Martin Scorsese launches worldwide June 12th on Netflix

Reviews of Scorsese’s movie?

Wow, thanks for reviving a thread haunted by an obsessed anti-Semite.

^ You're welcome.

He changed popular music forever. He's written a lot of crap and is completely unable to edit himself--songs with endless stanzas with embarrassing rhymes. He's clearly a prick, and incredibly gifted.

No. Never did.

In my opinion, there's social pressure to praise, adore, appreciate deify Bob Dylan. I think it's because Bob Dylan was sort of a symbol of beatnik, freedom, civil rights, and protest in maybe 1964?

Yet I don't enjoy / appreciate (a) Bob Dylan's music (those cartoonish whistles sound like the Looney Tunes). (b) His voice (he mumbles) (c) His lyrics (very mean spirited) (d) The fact he looks like he doesn't shower (he's such a rebel!)

But I know to never criticize him publicly because people will jump on me, but I can't listen to Bob Dylan.

I vaguely remember he was awarded a Nobel Prize or a Pulitzer Prize a couple of years ago and nobody could find him and he wasn't willing to accept the award or something. Really just rude. He must think he's above everything and everyone.

I like him although his voice is annoying. (I mean I like the standards. A lot of his other music is dull imo.)

The worship of him is irritating though. I know several people who loudly advocate for this being the greatest rock/folk/etc musician and it drives me up the wall.

I can't make out what he's singing but I love his music and his voice. On the occasions when I do come across his lyrics I have loved them.

Anyone seen Scorsese's (faux) doc about him? I have it on my watch list.

I’m with R12. He and Joni are in a singer/songwriter class by themselves. Poetry and music.

Clearly an artist. I learned about him thru my love of Rust and Diamonds. I wanted to know who Baez was talking about. Now you're telling me You're not nostalgic Then give me another word for it You who are so good with words And at keeping things vague 'Cause I need some of that vagueness now It's all come back too clearly Yes, I loved you dearly And if you're offering me diamonds and rust I've already paid

If you are someone who loved the classic rock'n'roll era, I don't see how you could watch that performance @ r183 without getting a little choked up. My favorites to watch are Tom Petty (RIP) and Neil Young, they both have a big shit eating grin on their face the whole time.

I've always preferred Young to Dylan, though I love Bob too. But Neil rocks harder and never seemed to take himself quite so seriously. And I don't think Bob ever wrote songs as pretty as "After the Gold Rush" or "Pocahontas."