Pete Buttigieg — A Star Is Born Part 3

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There is so much Catholic and Evangelical hate on Pete on Twitter over his CBS Sunday Morning piece.

The Episcopalians are rising!

There is? Fuck all of them.

I never understood why women struggle to control their moaning during sex. I lived in a fraternity for 2 years and the womanly sounds of lovemaking haunt me to this day.

Ironic that this made it to a Mayor Pete threat, R4.

Ahhh r4, are you the guy posting random thoughts across threads?

So haunted.

Such DL cuntery and truly pointless...

I love me some Pete!

How long before Trump refers to him as "Little Peter"?

Last appearance from last thread.

I posted this in the other thread. I hope it won't hurt his chances.

[Quote]Pete Buttigieg is officially over. He just blamed Trump AND Bernie voters for the problems we currently face.

He's not blaming anyone. He basically is saying that the system in 2016, despite low unemployment and GDP growth, was still failing a lot of people--which made them more open to voting for someone seemingly radical on either political spectrum who would overthrow the establishment (ie. Trump on the right and Bernie on the Left).

When Hillary won the nomination, she came to represent the status quo, and Trump became the de facto anti-establishment candidate, and thus a lot of Bernie voters switched to Trump as a result.

He's just saying that the system is broken and needs to be fixed. That's the root problem, not Trump. He's just a reaction, a symptom.

R10

Response from Comms Adviser

"Come on, @RoKhanna. Acknowledging that the system was so broken that voters were looking to @BernieSanders over the Dem establishment is not an insult, it’s the reality."

"Bernie to Trump" is now trending on Twitter. Pete's really stepped in it this time as people are pissed that he's comparing the two.

He's not comparing the two and you know it, Berniebro.

r14 I'm not a Bernie bro, I was just reporting that people (mistakenly) thought he was comparing the two. I still maintain he's stepped in it, though, as Bernie should be off-limits. Just stop talking about him completely as his supporters are too vicious. This is the one fight he won't win.

Why is Bernie off-limits? That’s the approach Hillary took and a damn lot of good that did. There’s plenty in Bernie’s past that is fair game and he should have to answer for. You know damn well if he’s the nominee the right will bring it all out. They’ve been compiling oppo research on him since 2016 and are just dying to use it.

Bernie shouldn't be off-limits even if his rabid fans freak out. Pete didn't even criticize him. The Bernie or Bust supporters will never vote for anyone but Bernie or Trump anyway. Time to stop coddling them.

I think someone else should pick up that fight. It just doesn't look good to be taking on the candidate with the most progressive ideas. He's being criticised for being too centrist as it is.

There is an equanimity about Pete that will allow him to run a marathon, not a sprint. I think he can handle all of the potholes ahead of him.

Latest polling data (Emerson, 4/17/19) shows him behind Bernie and Biden and tied with O'Rourke. This is his honeymoon period. You are utterly delusional if you think that neoliberal twit is going to win this.

Pete was taking meetings with the DNC on how to stop Bernie. It’s not looking good for him. I liked him but I just can’t support corporate dnc hacks!

A neoliberal is exactly who's getting elected. You really think people are going to swing from an alt-right turd to a socialist? The population wants normalcy, at least for the next four years. Someone like Pete, Biden, or Beto can provide that.

And I say that as a socialist myself...

Fanatics of ANY genre are what's holding us back. This is what the right at least acknowledges. Say NO, block, undermine, and nothing gets done. Who wins in that case >>> those with money and influence

Pete is right. As R11 summarized "saying that the system in 2016, despite low unemployment and GDP growth, was still failing a lot of people--which made them more open to voting for someone seemingly radical".

That is exactly what happened. That is why Hillary's use of the term "deplorables" was really stupid. A lot of the so-called deplorables were Obama voters who switched to Bernie and/or Trump because they were desperate and had become radicalized after years of no improvement in their lives.

The young Turks put up two Pete hit pieces in the past day. Downvote then both.

Still harping in the black police chief scandal.

NBC News says on 4/23/19

[quote] Rivals are scrambling to dig up dirt on Pete Buttigieg

[quote] One official from a rival Democratic presidential campaign described Buttigieg as "a 37-year-old kid mayor, who nobody knows anything about."

[quote] "He's getting a very significant free pass on a lot of stuff that other candidates aren't getting a free pass on," the official said, citing his willingness to take money from lobbyists as an example. "There's a novelty there. People don't know anything about him, so he can kind of be whatever people want him to be. But if he sustains this, that will come down to earth."

Where's that intern? Have him do a deep dive into Grindr and see if he can find anything.

I'm sure they'll find a typical "frisky" grindr exchange, but no one who is a grown adult would bat an eye.

Pete has said before he came out he didn't have 'much' of a personal life, so I'm sure he was out and about getting some strange. Just hope it wasn't "strange" strange lol.

[quote] Pete has said before he came out he didn't have 'much' of a personal life, so I'm sure he was out and about getting some strange

If he did Kamala will find it, and then claim republicans did it.

Rivals are scrambling to dig up dirt on Pete Buttigieg

Buttigieg was on nobody's radar as a serious presidential contender until a few weeks ago. Now his competitors are scrambling to find vulnerabilities.

Now his competitors are rushing to file a flood of Freedom of Information Act requests, according to officials, collecting everything he's ever said in public or posted on social media, and poring over years-old budgets from South Bend, Indiana, where he's served as mayor since 2012.

One official from a rival Democratic presidential campaign described Buttigieg as "a 37-year-old kid mayor, who nobody knows anything about."

"He's getting a very significant free pass on a lot of stuff that other candidates aren't getting a free pass on," the official said, citing his willingness to take money from lobbyists as an example. "There's a novelty there. People don't know anything about him, so he can kind of be whatever people want him to be. But if he sustains this, that will come down to earth."

Until the last few weeks, the only group that had kept close tabs on Buttigieg and actively pushed back on him was the Indiana Republican Party. Officials said the state party took notice when Buttigieg in 2017 ran for Democratic National Committee chair, taking it as a sign that his ambitions extended beyond South Bend, population just over 100,000.

[quote] Rivals are scrambling to dig up dirt on Pete Buttigieg

And also doing him (and us) a favor at the same time. If he really has something shady in his background or some unforgivable mistakes in his past, we need to know before the primaries. If the Democratic rivals were to be "nice" and let him slide, it's for sure the Republicans and their dirt-diggers won't.

Everybody must get stoned.

Pete rated right after Bernie on the CNN town halls.

r32, it is rumored that Pete is...gay

[quote] Pete rated right after Bernie on the CNN town halls.

And Kamala as the biggest loser. The California senator was singled out for failing to take definitive positions on a number of issues, resorting too often to the "let's have a conversation about that" cop-out.

*clutches pearls*

Pete is really a Next Gen candidate as he is noit putting policy paper online, he is putting position VIDEOS online.

Our man is BRILLIANT!

[quote] Our man is BRILLIANT!

If his constituency is mainly illiterates.

R27 is a joke that woman is grasping like I have never seen.

Actually many may view the firing of the police chief by Pete as his ability to take principled action in the face of popular PC sentiment

Mayor Pete, shirtless

hawt

𝐏𝐞𝐭𝐞 𝐁𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐞𝐠 𝐒𝐞𝐭𝐬 𝐋.𝐀. 𝐅𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐫 𝐇𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐆𝐚𝐲 𝐇𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐲𝐰𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐀-𝐋𝐢𝐬𝐭

The Hollywood Reporter has learned that plans are underway for what will most certainly be Buttigieg’s most high-profile industry fundraiser to date. The event will be held June 19 in Los Angeles at the home of TV superproducer Ryan Murphy and husband David Miller with some of Hollywood's most potent gay power players and couples ready to attach their names as co-sponsors for the event.

In addition to Murphy and Miller, co-hosts include Matt Bomer and husband Simon Halls; CAA partner Bryan Lourd and husband Bruce Bozzi; TV mogul Greg Berlanti and producer husband Robbie Rogers; former People editor Jess Cagle and TV writer-producer husband Matt Whitney; CAA partner Kevin Huvane; and actor Billy Eichner.

Buttigieg recently dipped his toes in the local donors' waters late last month. The South Bend, Indiana, mayor made the rounds with a series of appearances at intimate gatherings with insiders and potential supporters at places like management-production company Brillstein-Entertainment Partners and the private residence of D.C. whisperer and former CAA agent Michael Kives.

Buttigieg formally announced his bid for the White House on April 14, and has since upped his profile with appearances on Ellen DeGeneres' daytime talk show, Late Night With Seth Meyers and Real Time With Bill Maher. That recent trip to L.A. apparently went well. He is expected to be back in California next month. Buttigieg will be stumping at two events in San Diego on May 8, followed by three events in L.A. on May 9 and six in San Francisco on May 10, according to reports.

After announcing his candidacy, Buttigieg has fielded donations from such Hollywood notables as Ryan Reynolds, Bradley Whitford, Mandy Moore, Jane Lynch, The L Word creator Ilene Chaiken and billionaire mogul James Murdoch. And, on the same day Buttigieg revealed his plans, Bomer, for one, took to social media to tease the upcoming fundraiser.

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As Hollywood celebrities go, so goes America.

And we all know that "official" isn't from the Sanders campaign, right, r28?

[quote]If his constituency is mainly illiterates.

It is an interesting comment because his policies are not in printed words; he has put out a VIDEO CATALOG of his positions.

So, yes, one does not have to be able to read to fully understand Pete.

We live in a visual world. This is brilliant.

I say this as a huge Pete fan, and hope he wins the nomination, but after watching pretty much every event he's done, I am noticing a distinct White majority at most of his rallies and speaking engagements.

Not seeing too many people of color.

I wonder when he'll make that pivot to start appealing to more racial minority populations. I fear if he doesn't start soon, this will be used against him by his rivals.

And look at the Hollywood people who are hosting his fundraising event. All white men.

How many non-white men do you know who are Hollywood movers and shakers? Just like many industries, it's dominated by white people at the top.

Hollywood is full of rich diverse people! The Eva Longorias, the Shonda Rhimes, the Lee Daniels, Oprah, Tyler Perry, George Lopez, JJ Abrams, etc.. They all came out for Hills. Some of them have come out for Kamala. Google image search Pete's announcement from last Sunday. The overwhelming majority was white. It looked like a calm trump rally.

[quote] I am noticing a distinct White majority at most of his rallies and speaking engagements. Not seeing too many people of color.

You're just now noticing ? Like Howard Dean his support has plainly been white yuppies. NYC, San Francisco, and Washington DC.

Have the whispers of 'gay mafia' started yet?

There was something on the radio with a caller asking about some three year stint Pete had at some company or something that had some questionable actions but I only caught a minute of it and didn't get any details. Anyone know what that's about?

He worked at McKinsey, R51, analyzing supermarket prices. Shocking!

The chosen one!

Rower at Oxford.

I know it's very second grade but I do think it's funny that he has both 'peter' and 'butt' in his name. He kind of had to be gay with that name. It was destiny. Is his middle name 'Pres'? That would work out well.

^^^^^^^^^

Every one of these guys are gritting their teeth in angst and pain. Except for Mayor Pete.... He’s serious, determined, and laser focused on the finish line. Says a lot about his character.

Yeah, he has a super intense gaze.

[quote] he has a super intense gaze

A power move. An indication of a psychopath

[quote]I wonder when he'll make that pivot to start appealing to more racial minority populations. I fear if he doesn't start soon, this will be used against him by his rivals.

R46, It's almost too late. People have already begin picking up on it. He needs to do something. Right now they're going to go for Biden or Harris.

Minorities and James Comey have abandoned Pete.

[quote] Former FBI Director James Comey and his wife separately donated $2,700 to Democratic Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s presidential campaign, according to Rolling Stone. The contributions near the $2,800 maximum donation permitted during the primary.

I love the way mayor pete looks at mens asses, his hot eyes look that ass up and down then his tongue touches his teeth in that brilliant LET ME EAT THAT OUT BB way...

Isn't it possible that Pete's problem attracting racial minorities as supporters might have something to do with him being gay? Statistics do show that black and latino populations, in general, are less accepting of gay people. I think it's mostly a religion thing but it's there. Both groups have finally moved past the 50% mark in support of things like gay marriage (60% for latinos, 51% for blacks) but I think there is still enough animosity or religious rejection there to make their support of Pete less likely.

He might also have a woman problem. His audiences are not only very white, they are very male.

Gay Latinos and blacks exist. Mayor Pete only attracts gay white men. He is a true diversity candidate.

Tell us R61; how long have you been experiencing hallucinations.

the first time I saw mayor pete using his 3d vision to see mens naked asses,

I was in church

doing the secret mediation with preacher man.

[quote]Isn't it possible that Pete's problem attracting racial minorities as supporters might have something to do with him being gay?

[quote]He might also have a woman problem. His audiences are not only very white, they are very male.

R62, or is it possible that he's not bothering to talk to them in a public forum with press coverage?

I hate Bernie Sanders but he, Warren, and Harris have all bothered to. He needs to go and find women's organizations and talk to them, latino groups of law makers and talk to them, etc.

It's how this game is played but no one seems to have given him the memo.

There's enough people in this country that hate him because he's gay so he really does need to reach every one he can that might swing a vote his way.

R50 you have been afflicted with color blindness, please go see an eye doctor ASAP.

Bernie’s dumb prison voter debacle will do him in.

It hurt Bernie but not fatally. One way or the other each of the significant candidates have been tripping over their own feet. It balances out.

He’s attracting a lot of old white people. Boomers. Nothing wrong with that. They vote. Women are among those voters. Women who don’t want government in their vaginas go to his rallies too. Also white. So I wouldn’t say he has a woman problem. What he has is a people of color problem. Even the gay ones. And he looked awkward as fuck at that Stop and Shop rally. Gotta be able to talk to the working class and union members or he’s toast. Diversify or die.

Mayor Pete is right on this issue. I liked it when he said no immediately when asked if violent prisoners should have the right to vote while in prisons.

PS. Serial killers, rapist/murderers, killers shouldn't have the right to marriage either while they are serving their times, especially rapists.

R70, yup, I agree

he's clearly over on the DL already

R18 it's good to have a centrist following trump.

The post trump era must focus on compromise, on solidarity and understanding for the real socioeconomic grievances of the "deplorables", on building bridges and pragmatic healing. Going from one extreme to the other leaves heaps of people disenfranchised. Only then can you successfully develop understanding and support for progressive social justice issues concerning minorities.

What they currently understand is:: my life is shit, no one carres about my plight, why should I care about them"?

Solidarity is needed for a progressive, inclusive society. These "deplorables " need to be included and respected as humans just as much as the Trans idiot.

Buttigieg gets it.

I get it too

R74 agreed as well. Just simply flipping the anger machine to another setting wont help anything Pete projects calm

Newsweek is firing the first shot.

Well even in South Bend, the population is 60% white. Pete was born and raised there, can't imagine he has a diverse group of friends or acquaintances. But I imagine we'll be seeing a few poc front and center at his next rally, and meet and greet.

60% white means 40% not white. He should have a lot more POC as supporters. R78

Pete's not from [italic] that [italic] part of town. So I give him a pass for not knowing too many poc.

Pete Buttegieg is so famous, he is featured in an editorial cartoon.

He is the mayor of the city. Your logic makes no sense. How can the mayor of a city that's 40% POC not know any POC? R80

So naive, r82.

I'm not naive. You clearly don't understand how mayorships work. Mayors have to interact with their citizens. The fact that he has no clear POC supporters is very telling of his leadership style. R83

I think we're on the same page actually, r84. Lol

He gets more supporters as people hear him speak. He came out of relative obscurity, so he is somewhat of an unknown. He is impressive in his articulation of his views, and doesn’t seem like the type to run hiding major skeletons...

Politics needing to be a United Colors of Benetton ad is the real problem, especially with Democrats. It's all so trite and so pandering, anyhow. You can never please the vocal racial bean-counters; to them, Pete is privileged just by virtue of being a white man (BOO!!!! HISS!!!!) so why prostrate yourself before them? Maybe it's time for the left to try a new strategy that isn't pandering to minorities ("¡y soy Tim Kaine!") and guilting whites that voting for white men is some horrible sin.

But the left won't. Just like they learned nothing from the dozens and dozens of centrist (and WHITE female) congressional candidates that won in 2018, they focus on those that won just because of their identity group: the young Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez! The Muslim woman Ilhan Omar! The first Trans congressional representative! The first... the first... the first...

[Quote] to them, Pete is privileged just by virtue of being a white man (BOO!!!! HISS!!!!)

Male privilege is a real thing. White privilege is a real thing, Pete himself has admitted that. White male privilege is a real thing. To attempt to refute that is asinine.

^ What are you talking about, R87? You think a democrat can win without minorities? White women are also minorities, by the way.

Do you think a democrat can win without whites in middle-America, R89?

He was in Afghanistan! He will be able to reach out to all groups. His candidacy is new.

Yes, Mayor Pete is white. That shouldn’t disqualify him. And he [italic] does [/italic] belong to an oppressed minority. Not that that made a difference during his closeted years. But it probably makes a difference to some voters now. How much suffering in your life is required to be considered an authentic candidate? It isn’t enough to be intelligent, well-spoken, and on the right side of issues?

How Pete Buttigieg’s Meaningless Erudition Made Him the ‘Smart’ Candidate

It appears that black women and WOC do not see him as a minority and he was not invited to their She The People Presidential Forum.

Fuck them.

R92. No, it's not enough to be intelligent, well spoken, and on the right side of the issues. A person who hasn't experienced real suffering is usually spoiled and weak.

The NYT needs to stop with the "Identity" politics crap.

It is like political correctness and meant to box in Democrats.

Ugh.

R94 his father died 3 months back. His memorial service is today. He had to skip that event

Who's under the piano?

The NYT is in the bag for Trump, just as it was in 2016, r96. Rules and mores only count if you have a "D" next to your name.

[quote]Do you think a democrat can win without whites in middle-America, [R89]?

They don't need the male ones. The white male union members showed their true colors last time by voting for Trump.

[quote]Yes, Mayor Pete is white. That shouldn’t disqualify him. And he does belong to an oppressed minority.

I hope he and his advisors are smart enough to make sure he doesn't try to equate being gay with being black in front of a black audience. That's a no no. Especially when it's a gay white guy. And, they better have a good answer when he's asked how he has related to minorities throughout his life because if he has a "Some of my best friends are minorities." moment, he's dead.

The 2020 candidate needs to win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, the end. Think about it

We know, R102. Good luck with that.

r98, I do not see he was invited.

How so?

I don't think it was an invitation thing, R105. The campaigns would have approached them to have their candidates go.

r105, I did not see him listed on the list of invitees. I did not see any mention of his father's memorial.

Nada.

Was he invited?

He was invited. He went to his dad's memorial instead. His spokeswoman, Lis Smith, confirmed that he was invited.

I want to be invited

Thank you r108.

thanks

Extended Interview with Pete and Chasten from CBS Sunday Morning.

For the most part, they seem come off genuine. A few instances that seemed very rehearsed.

Extended Interview with Pete and Chasten from CBS Sunday Morning.

For the most part, they seem come off genuine. A few instances that seemed very rehearsed.

Beto and Pete. the boyband candidates

Hmmm don't know how that posted twice like 20 minutes apart... weird

The author of that NYT piece at R93 is a cunt up there with the worst of the cunts of the DL, but not in a good way. It's a bitter, disingenuous hit piece. I see the NYT are already doing their best to get Trump elected again. What a disgrace they have become.

That CBS interview at R113 is great. They both come across really well IMO. None of it seemed "rehearsed" to me, at least not in a negative "rehearsed to death" kind of way. I really don't get the "rehearsed" complaints; surely it's good to be prepared. Complaining about a politician being "overly prepared" seems to me the height of a petty bullshit criticism, as it was against HRC as well. Complaints about Pete seeming "too rehearsed", or repeating talking points or phrases at this early stage, seem really trollish to me.

they are sweetie newlyweds

I read another hit-like piece on Pete and his fundraising.

It turns out that Pete met with Howard Dean and Dean gave him his blueprint for fundraising. Dean's key to his long-ago campaign was the LGBT community as he was the only candidate supporting Civil Unions. His advice to Pete was to make himself THE candidate for donations from the LGBT community.

Howard Dean acknowledged that the LGBT community could put one of our own over the top.

I have never maxed out a contribution to a candidate but this may be the year to do it.

I've given all I've got

R116 fortunately it is a definite TL;DR piece that wont gain much traction. That is the second hit piece from a VICE 'er. Kang is an ad-hoc writer for NY T wonder why on earth they would print this particular rubbish.

Finally, Democrats got a nominee who is whiter than Elizabeth Warren

He’s white

His dad didn't look super-white.

Dad reminds me of a mix of William Shattner, Lewis Black, and Al Franken...

He talks the talk with POC

Hello

Wouldn’t that be funny ?

I think the dad was Malti, which probably translates into Italian-Arabic background.

Nice bubble going on here. Well?

Very spankable

𝒀𝒐𝒖𝒏𝒈 𝑻𝒖𝒓𝒌𝒔: 𝑴𝒂𝒚𝒐𝒓 𝑷𝒆𝒕𝒆 ‘𝑩𝒓𝒊𝒏𝒈𝒔 𝑵𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒐 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑻𝒂𝒃𝒍𝒆’

The Young Turks host Ana Kasparian responded to a pair of recent statements from Pete Buttigieg that were widely seen as slams against Bernie Sanders, by pointing out the South Bend mayor’s lack of policy prowess, saying he “brings nothing to the table.”

On Thursday’s edition of the TYT Network program The Damage Report, host John Iadarola began by reading recent comments that Buttigieg made to The New York Times, in which he described Sanders’ appeal in 2016 as a “novelty,” and told the paper he didn’t think Sanders could win in 2020.

“I have a hard time seeing the coalition ultimately coming together there,” Buttigieg told the paper.

Kasparian responded to that last claim by noting that Bernie Sanders is “polling pretty well, so… what?”

“And he also has specific policy proposals that he’s been advocating for, literally, for decades,” Kasparian said. “And what does Buttigieg bring to the table, other than a lot of poetic, you know, talk?”

“Honestly, he brings nothing to the table,” she continued. “There’s nothing specific, what would you do? And he thinks that there’s something wrong with running for president and revealing to the voters what you would do and how you would do it.”

Kasparian is referring to the fact that Buttigieg has repeatedly defended his website’s lack of a single written policy proposal by dismissing the very idea of providing detailed policy proposals.

Kasparian then pointed out that while the media consistently presses people like Sanders and Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) for granular details on their policies, “When it comes to Buttigieg, he doesn’t want to reveal what his actual policies are, where his stances are, and for some reason he is better than all these other candidates in the eyes of mainstream media pundits.”

Last week, Buttigieg also compared Sanders supporters with Trump voters, which was also widely seen as an attack on Sanders.

The Young Turks are turning out to be The Old Bernie Turds.

Because Pete is a Millennial he put out his positions in VIDEO not written for,

You click, you listen to HIM and do not have to read through thousands of pages of GRANULAR policy because NOBODY does.

Watch his positions:

The Young Turks have always been Bernie turds. Bad news for them is that Bernie will not be the nominee. It may not be Pete, but it won't be their guy.

an old white man on election day will not win against Trump

I would have guessed "not gay" by the condition of the pathetic Christmas tree in R130 , and I would have been wrong.

the tree looks well, charming

In the most recent Monmouth national poll, Pete’s support among POC is terrible. I wonder what he will do to court these voters.

[quote] I wonder what he will do to court these voters.

Tell then he carried hot sauce with him everywhere?

Pete seems like a very reserved guy. You know it will be hysterical when he inevitably visits a black church! Oh lord!

R130 That’s a Charlie Brown Christmas tree. And why is the dog bed under the piano?

he'll be fine

Episcopalians, especially ex-Catholic Episcopalians have no problem in a POC church.

Like Hillary at Ebenezer Baptist, dignified, dignified, dignified.

Like Pete never had to do duty in Afghanistan with POCs.

I hope he doesn't try 'blackspeak' when he's in the pulpit. That's always so embarrassing.

There was no time for fluffing, at least not for that tree.

Pete is done, Lord Biden has risen. His 15 minutes are up

Pete is not done, however most of the women have been dealt a death blow by Uncle Joe.

R139 He could talk about listening to Tupac like Kamala did. That’s sure to win him some votes.

Or maybe he can just win the nomination with support from college-educated whites alone?

biden is too old, he's older than trump

Biden isn't as old as Bernie. Why does Biden always get the rap for being old?

I don't think he'll attempt anything that disingenuous, r144. Part of his appeal is that he's authentic.

Hillary is Methodist not Episcopalian. I don't think that these traditional black churches would want to have a gay male addressing them.

Sometimes he seems like he's almost on the spectrum to me. Super smart people often are.

R148 Or go on the Breakfast Club radio show with Charlamagne and talk about how he smokes weed like Kamala did. Then he’d be down with the blacks.

r152, neither did I say she was ex-catholic but thanks for chiming in.

I remarked of her deportment in an AA Church.

R154, Pete has been on Charlemagne's show and was praised by the host for being authentic. He gained from being on the show. Bring a person of color, I know many others who'get' Mayor Pete. Seems like most of the people who wonder if Pete can get support from POC don't seem to know any.

Maybe there's hope. Black man willing to overcome his homophobia to vote for Mayor Pete.

Most people didn’t know who Pete was a month ago. It’s too early to say he can’t appeal to people of color, I think he can. It will just take time.

What do you guys think of Chasten taking Pete's last name? Remember when Hillary had to add Clinton to her name when Bill ran even though she hadn't taken it when they got married? Times have changed but I don't know what I think of it. I don't like it when women take the man's name but that's due to the man expecting it to happen without question and almost zero chance of him taking the woman's name because it would emasculate him in his own mind along with the "putting my name on my property" history to the convention.

How does that usually work with gay guys getting married? I can see lesbians arguing the opposite way because both want to take the other's last name but do gay guys want to hold onto their names because of societal pressures? Was Chasten hitching himself more concretely to a rising star? Or, is it a top/bottom thing?

There's a very simple way to determine whether black people/POC can support Mayor Pete. Do the majority of black people/POC of South Bend, Indiana support him?

Well, the majority of black people voted for him in his re-election for mayor even though he had a black challenger in the mayoral primary.

Perhaps Chasten wanted to separate himself from his homophobic brothers.

[quote]There's a very simple way to determine whether black people/POC can support Mayor Pete. Do the majority of black people/POC of South Bend, Indiana support him?

[quote]Well, the majority of black people voted for him in his re-election for mayor even though he had a black challenger in the mayoral primary.

This methodology doesn't work.

1. This is a primary with multiple challengers.

2. He's building his reputation right now vs. having already built it there.

3. Black people are different from city to city, coast to coast, urban vs. rural. It's not that dissimilar than LA gays being different than Atlanta gays being different than NYC gays. A gay man from Minnesota may be different than a gay man from NYC even if they're both gay. A black person from Montgomery is different than a black person from Jersey City.

I'm glad you mentioned that he beat his black competitor to help finally put to rest the idea that black people will only vote for other black people. That's not how it works. If Pete actually makes an effort to reach out, answer questions about his past (in relation to the police incidents) and listens then he'll be fine. People will love him since they do in South Bend. He just has to actually do it!

He missed a huge opportunity by not going to the "She the People" presidential forum in Houston. While I know he had other things to do, it would have been something.

They were tough on the people who did show. Kamala did well but Bernie got called out for not answering questions.

I don't think he should've skipped his dad's memorial service. There will be other opportunities.

I saw them first!

R163 I was only saying that if he can't gain support from the majority of black people/POC of his city, then there is little chance of him gaining support from their nationwide communities. Obviously, black people are different around the nation. However, the stories from black people in South Bend, IN about Mayor Pete will still influence the opinions of black people from LA, Miami, Atlanta, Tulsa or NYC.

But he did gain the support (votes) of the majority of black voters in SB, R166.

Cory Booker, jealous of all the attention Pete is getting, wants to come out according to Page Six.

r18, that's pathetic.

Pete Watch:

[quote] Newsweek: PETE BUTTIGIEG USED SIGN LANGUAGE TO THANK A SUPPORTER WHO SAYS IT WAS A ‘HUGE MOMENT FOR THE DEAF COMMUNITY’

He learned sign language just to thank that supporter.

Oh c'mon everyone knows how to sign thank you in sign language.

Whoever plays him on snl will have a field day. Like say we get invaded by aliens... cut to Pete already communicating with them perfectly. Lolz

Reaction of the person he sent the message to-

[quote]"Right from the very opening second when Pete waved his hand, I knew instantly it was a reply in American Sign Language,”

[quote] “I remember my chest just freezing up and the tears filling up my eyes within milliseconds. I was so overcome with emotion. I’d never seen a presidential candidate take that initiative to meet me, a deaf individual, as an equal, instead of having that communication divide be the sole burden of the deaf person. It set an example of how our society can be more inclusive and put forth the effort to break down the communication barriers that follow so many deaf lives.”

Say what you want about Pete's political stands, he seems like a very decent, intelligent and caring guy.

[Quote] he seems like a very decent, intelligent and caring guy.

Well he did make chasten rent a car and drive to south bend to pick him up on their first date lol.

R174, that sounds like a cult member writing about their 'dear leader'. Next up...

As a hirsute male I looked upon the visage of Mayor Pete and, right then and there, he looked right at me and, you won't even believe it, but he lifted both eyebrows in greeting. I just knew, for sure, that he was sending me a message that my hairiness was okay and he totally understood me and that we had a deep connection, hairy eyebrow to hairy everything. I wept so much that I needed three towels to dry my gorilla like body.

He grew some facial stubble for his greeting to you, r177 .

I can't tell if this sign language story is true or trolling...

Hot Pete > Saint Pete

He's not hot. And he tries to copy Obama's gestures when he speaks. Obama was hot. The funny looking, badly dressed mayor will never be heard from again after this year.

Lol, Obama based his speaking style off of black preachers. Mayor Pete trying to speak like a black preacher through proxy is hilarious.

I've never seen Mayor Pete try to speak like a black preacher.

r179, it is real.

R183 Neither have I, but the image is hilarious.

[quote] And he tries to copy Obama's gestures when he speaks.

The equation is a little more complex. Pete was imitating Obama imitating Morgan Freeman imitating black preachers.

R168..ha, tough cookies for Cory! He chose to hide in the closet and beard.

Pete was brave enough to run as himself. That is real fucking courage and authenticity. Give all the LGBTQ/Hollywood money to Pete, I say!

There is clearly something off about Cory Booker. It's best to be as genuine as possible. Most people can tell when a gay person is lying about their sexuality.

Learn to read, ancient white boys. I said gestures.

Yes, black preachers also have gestures... R189

Mayor Pete only attracts gay white men. He's a loser.

Pete is refreshing and still new. no candidate has risen in the polls like Pete. Bernie can raise money but he has a clear glass ceiling of supporters that is not growing. Later on, as candidates withdrawal, I don’t see see a Harris or MN senator voter going to Bernie. But I could see a Pete or Biden picking up their votes

Booker has already chosen the bearded closet. He should go down in flames for being a hypocrite.

And this is what I think people expect when Mayor Pete talks to an AA Church:

It was a pleasure blocking R191.

R179 - “I can't tell if this sign language story is true or trolling...”

Two things are true R179. The sign language story is true, and YOU are trolling.

Read and educate yourself.

R144, hear his interview with black folks, he doesn’t shirt into anything other than what he normally speaks.

*shift

Pete speaks to our robot overlords

Lol, R198.

From another thread:

[quote]If Pete is not VP, then Pete on the Hillary Track for SoS.

Oh, okay. Pete has done next to nothing as a political career, especially on the international stage. Honestly, he has done next to nothing on the national stage. First, South Bend...then, the world! Why do people go to such extremes? It sounds like mental illness.

What had the baboon currently squatting in the WH ever done?

Is that really the standard we're going by now, R201?

The house, the decor, and the tree with the ten lonely ornaments are an embarrassment. The house has bones and an expert renovation would do wonders. And landscaping, Blanche. Landscaping. Did they just move in and keep the previous owner’s stuff? It looks like Old Lady Land. Think Bates mansion. The only thing missing is the 15 cats. Making the baby grand the focus of the room with nothing else of interest to cast an eye upon besides the one-eyed dog seems weird. And you all know it.

[quote]especially on the international stage. Honestly, he has done next to nothing on the national stage.

but he will, and frankly, a multilingual smart guy will go far

[quote] Making the baby grand the focus of the room with nothing else of interest to cast an eye upon besides the one-eyed dog seems weird.

you sound either retarded or just trying too hard to sound "hip". he lives in indiana, not georgetown. he's an enthusiastic practiced musician so put the fucking piano front and center. holy fuck, people like you truly do get trump elected.

Jimmy Fallon tells us the question most frequently asked of Pete Buttigieg on the campaign trail:

That's fine, R204. I'm sure you're right about the future. But, these people jumping to "Oooh, if not President than, of course, Secretary of State!" sound nuts. Why not straight to Emperor of the World? Experience does still matter. There are thousands of experienced diplomats and Democrats who've been elected nationally who've been serving on committees that deal with international politics and diplomacy for a long time. Comparatively, Pete has done nothing internationally. This type of thinking is a symptom of our whole country's trend toward "ooh, shiny" as the only relevant variable in the equation when it comes to jobs. It's ridiculous.

What is an enthusiastic practiced musician? Asking for the people in Coolsville.

[quote] Why not straight to Emperor of the World?

because, uh, it doesn't exist? he's a competent candidate, give it all time

My recommendation that he be considered for SoS is to exactly fill out his resume.

He is fully capable of running the State Department.

He has superb diplomatic skills.

If he is not President, a place will be found for him.

R208, ask ben Folds, jackass

[quote] Honestly, he has done next to nothing on the national stage. First, South Bend...then, the world!

I like Pete a lot, and I'm not writing him off as a candidate. Obviously, he'd be much better than the current White House occupant. But it's amazing how far the experience bar has been lowered. In 1988, we (rightfully) mocked Dan Quayle for being too inexperienced to be VP, even though he had been a U.S. senator. In 2008, we (rightfully) mocked Sarah Palin for being too inexperienced to be VP, even though she had been a governor. Now, going from small-city mayor to leader of the free world is considered a perfectly fine career move. And yes, I know that Quayle and Palin were idiots and Republicans, whereas Pete is a smart Democrat. But is that where we're at: Anyone who is smart can be president, and experience is irrelevant? (If he can charm the South Bend Chamber of Commerce, surely he'll have no trouble dealing with Kim Jong-un!)

[quote]He is fully capable of running the State Department. He has superb diplomatic skills.

Why do you believe this? There's no evidence to support this.

If Tillerson can dismantle it, Pete can rebuild it.

His executive experience over 100K people leads me to believe he has the skills to run State.

Lighten up, r211. You’ll live longer. Pete doesn’t seem to lack a sense of humor. Neither does Chasten. I’ve listened to him play the piano. He’s pretty good for someone who is self-taught. But I wasn’t critiquing his piano playing;)

just his decorating, like a bitch slut

[quote]His executive experience over 100K people leads me to believe he has the skills to run State.

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it? If you want to make that comparison, it's either his executive experience over the 20 member South Bend government compared to the 20,000 or more in the State Department or the 100,000 population of South Bend compared to the 7,000,000,000 population of the world. Either way, he's not even close to being experienced enough. Honestly, in my opinion, the president is more of an inspirational figurehead which he could probably handle as long as he's surrounded by real experience in places like State. Infatuation does not lead to good decisions, so some of you need to pull it back.

r217, as i said, and even with consideration of the horrible Cabinet Secretaries of the Trump Administration, I believe that Pete Buttigieg has all of the skills necessary (and more) to run the State Department.

I believe that my opinion is well reasoned.

But, ultimately, yours is also an opinion.

So sorry you disagree.

[quote]Whoever plays him on snl will have a field day. Like say we get invaded by aliens... cut to Pete already communicating with them perfectly. Lolz

Not before sitting down and playing them a piano sonata

[quote]the president is more of an inspirational figurehead which he could probably handle as long as he's surrounded by real experience in places like State.

my thoughts too, what makes trump so particularly horrid is his cabinet

R218, you've given no reasons at all. Do you also think that someone who runs the mom and pop gas station down the street could jump into the CEO position of Exxon? That's the comparison you are making. You've given no concrete reasoning at all. None. So, no, our positions are not equal. Opinions and feelings do not equal facts and believing that they do is ruining the country. Just enough with the pie-in-the-sky bullshit. No, Pete has no qualifications to be Secretary of State of the United States of America at one of the most dangerous international relations times in the history of the world. Your feeling do not make it so.

Would he be qualified to run HUD? He's not an actual medical doctor, so I'm thinking, "No."

Pete is qualified to become a CNN panelist. That is where he'll end up too. He won't even finish his term as mayor. He's Sarah Palin with a better education.

Really? ...one has to be a medical doctor to run the Department of Housing and Urban development?

R224, that's just some idiot who thinks we, as Democrats, should use the low bar established by idiot Repugs to justify putting our own inexperienced people in positions they can't handle.

R223, how so?

It's a Bernie Bro, R226. Blocked a long time ago.

[quote] That man is a SODOMITE!

Oh dear, mud will be flung tonight.

Pete's campaign will refund $30,250 it received from lobbyists.

r229, oh shit, not a good sign.

He's a homely Sarah Palin.

If you think he's Sarah Palin, then you've never heard her speak without a teleprompter. She could have been cast as the President in the movie "Idiocracy."

r221, You can hate on my opinion all you want. I believe that Pete could be SoS and run the State Department.

I shall repeat, it is my opinion and you have yours.

R233, why can't you answer what you've based your opinion on? A feeling doesn't have anything to back it up. An opinion does. It isn't good that you can't tell the difference when it comes to political decisions you make.

R230, why is the campaign not accepting $$$ from lobbyists a bad thing?

R235, probably because they think it makes him look like he got caught doing something and that's why he's returning it. In other news, I hear Beto is now taking corporate and lobbyist money.

Lobbyist money will simply be laundered through the bundlers.

R212 I really don't get people who unironically utter the phrase "leader of the free world". Cringeworthy. America isn't a free country anymore, is in bed with horrible dictatorships, and hasn't led anyone worthy of acclaim in a long time.

It was a pleasure to block R233. Almost better than sex.

Like you've had sex with anything but a hankie in the last 2 decades. I block you!! That is DL sex.

biden lookd old as fuk on the view

hate him the way he shoved anita hill to the side yrs ago and got that right wing ick into the white house.

will cost him the prz I dency

[quote]Lobbyist money will simply be laundered through the bundlers.

"In the email, Schmuhl said Buttigieg will no longer accept money from registered lobbyists or allow those lobbyists to serve as bundlers, who gather checks from other donors for the campaign."

Schmul?

r239, THANK YOU.

r233

I think Mayor Pete is an upcoming rising star just like Obama was with his magnificent Democratic Convention Speech in 2004. Until that speech, nobody knew who Obama was. Just a flash in the pan some said, however four years later he was President.

I think Mayor Pete has Presidential potential, just not for this election. He is too much too soon for many people in the country to digest. Since he does not plan to run for Mayor again, a cabinet position would be excellent, perhaps as Secretary of the Interior where he could really clean up messes across the country and become popular fast. See how he does in a cabinet position which can groom him for bigger and brighter things. Make sure he is not a one trick pony, so to speak. That also give the world time to get used to Chasten, if he sticks around.

Get used to Chasten? Seems like he's a benefit to Pete's campaign.

Fraus love Chasten. If you’re trying for the frau vote, and who isn’t, he’s an asset. Look at his twitter feed. Many admiring fraus.

Secretary of Education is a good spot. Buttigieg is married to a teacher and both parents are teachers. He’s very interested in supporting teachers and raising their pay, it’s one of his issues. Through Chasten, he hears about student and teacher concerns all the time and has discussed them at length.

Chasten got a rousing round of applause at the New Hampshire town hall Pete recently did.

So why did Chasten take Pete's last name? I've never heard of a guy doing that. Is is because Buttigieg is so difficult the idea of their kids having long hyphenated names (with Buttigieg being one of them) was just too much? That's the only reason I can think of.

Whether or not he secures the presidential or VP nom, he's not staying in South Bend, that's for sure.

R250, Chasten’s family are religious nutjobs who think gays are evil and he was kicked out of their home. That’s why.

Also, just a theory, but Pete is an only child. Chasten has 2 brothers so the Glezman name lives on with them.

[quote] Chasten’s family are religious nutjobs who think gays are evil and he was kicked out of their home.

Um, no.

He was kicked out at 18, r254, but they've since made up. His brother is still a fundie nutcase who set up a Twitter account just to attack Pete and Bible-thump.

[quote] The couple married in June of last year; at the wedding reception there were arcade games, the claw-grabber (Pete's favorite) and skeeball (Chasten's favorite).

Oh, MARY!

^^^^ I bet Chasten's brother loves Wack-a-Mole!

I figured he got along well with his parents as the dad brings down their Christmas tree every year.

Interesting. Is Glezman a Jewish name?

[quote] He was kicked out at 18, [R254], but they've since made up. His brother is still a fundie nutcase who set up a Twitter account just to attack Pete and Bible-thump.

Interesting. Has Chasten ever talked about this or about his brother? Has he actually said he was kicked out at age 18? Are we certain that Rhyan is, in fact, his brother? I'm not necessarily doubting you, but I had never heard any of this before. I just did a Google search and can find almost nothing about Rhyan and no articles that mention Chasten having brothers or sisters, except for one person's WordPress blog. The only references online to his parents are about how wonderful and supportive they have been. If what you're saying is true, it seems that the campaign has tried to keep all of this quiet.

OK, I see here that he says he "moved out" of his parents' home after coming out. He doesn't actually say he was kicked out, but it's kind of implied.

Glezman is Jewish. I don't know how that family became Christians.

OK. Rhyan is definitely Chasten's brother, and he definitely thinks Chasten and Pete are horrible sinners (see tweet below). And he praises Trump and Pence all over his Twitter account, which he created only two months ago. Sorry for questioning you, R252. I had just never heard any of this before.

Fortunately, almost nobody has noticed. He only has 35 followers. It's sad that Chasten has to deal with a brother who so obviously hates him and everything that he and Pete represent.

Rhyan appears to be in for another surprise in about eight years

Pete and Chasten's full wedding ceremony is posted online.

I loved Peter, Paul and Montgomery. Tragic plane crash. RIP. But Pete Butthowdy is missing the bottom half of his face. He might make it as a View Co-host, but never president. Jerry Springer has more experience.

I’m the person that posted the original post about Chasten being thrown out. I was researching Pete and came across a Chasten interview a few weeks ago that I think was old. Maybe before Pete decided to run. I’m not sure.

In the interview, Chasten made a very carefully edited vague comment about his family telling him it was time to leave, or something like that. Then there was a line about couch surfing at friends.

From that, I extrapolated that it was a lot more dramatic than what he was saying and he was being as circumspect as possible. It must have killed him to hold back from telling his side.

I’m not sure what the source was, but I was researching on google and YouTube. I’m guessing it was a gay friendly source, so maybe try the Advocate? Or other gay friendly publications? I haven’t seen any other reference to it anywhere else, so he probably won’t talk about it again.

I thought white people always got rid of their kids at 18?

Not if they are Italians

[quote]Whether or not he secures the presidential or VP nom, he's not staying in South Bend, that's for sure.

Agreed.

Love Pete, want him to win it all, but I'm not buying the "shortest way home" bull he's spinning.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great narrative...accomplished and world-traveled Rhodes Scholar (who could live anywhere) chooses to return and live in the small town he grew up in...but I don't believe for a second that's where Pete's heart really resides. A man of his travels, intellect and ambition isn't content to stay in a small, provincial town like South Bend.

At the end of the day, returning to South Bend was a political calculation...a great, feel-good, "I'm every man" story to leverage when the time came to pursue his greater ambitions.

I don't think he enjoys living there, and whatever the outcome of this election, he and Chasten will be buying a one-way ticket once the narrative has served it's purpose.

And I say all this without judgement. It's a smart move, but just keeping it real.

[quote] In the interview, Chasten made a very carefully edited vague comment about his family telling him it was time to leave, or something like that. Then there was a line about couch surfing at friends.

Apparently he mentioned it during his speech at an HRC event, and yes, it does sound like his parents kicked him out of the house when he came out. This is from the Daily Beast article linked at R261:

[quote] On Saturday night, Chasten (pronounced CHASS-ten) told a packed house at a Human Rights Campaign dinner in Houston about moving out of his family home after coming out to his parents as a teenager—an issue that hits close to home for many LGBT Americans.

[quote] “We have a great relationship now, but back then, things weren’t easy,” Chasten said. “Eventually, I thought, ‘I can’t be here anymore,’ and so I moved out without a plan. I was scared, living between my car and friends’ couches.”

It sounds like his parents have come to accept him, but his brother Rhyan is a right-wing pastor who wants nothing to do with Chasten and Pete and is a devoted Trumpster.

That is what it sounds like, R271. I’m not sure that’s the exact thing I saw, but the details are the same.

About them leaving SB for greener pastures, I agree. Pete is playing the long game. He served his two terms and it sounds like if he wanted to run again he could win. He decided that was enough.

He said somewhere he and Chasten have six figures of college debt. I bet a lot of that is Chasten having to finance his own education after his parents refused, but neither will say that. It’s spun as, “if course we have a lot of college debt like everyone else, we should change that.” Not, “Chasten’s parents threw him in the street and he had to pay every dime of college himself.” They’re not whining, they’re taking care of it. Good for them.

People criticize him for working at McKenzie, but I think he knew he could pay it down there and he did what he had to do. If he wanted to be rich he could stay there. He’s a Rhodes Scholar, a lot of doors are open to him in the corporate world.

He’s not being a small town mayor to make a living, like a lot of Congress people do forever because they don’t have the abilities he has. It’s a stepping stone for him and he’s obviously smart and planning long term. Shiny image aside, that’s a ruthless, pragmatic, ambitious man with a highly detailed long term tactical plan. Nothing wrong with that, we need more of that.

#PeteForAmerica #Pete2020

He said they have six-figured debt, but he hasn't released his tax returns yet. (He has committed to doing so.)

Before he does, here's an estimate of his income from info on Google to compare with other candidates.

Salary of South Bend mayor in 2014: $105,000 (rounded)

Average salary of South Bend elementary school teacher: $55,000.

South Bend is literally a hole in the booming state of Indiana. Only Gary continues to outperform South Bend in the declining category of Indiana cities.

bump

Pete is an alpha.

Beto is, well, let's just say his name fits.

Pete isn't "alpha" but he's smart and talks a good game

How do you think Pete is dealing with all the hot ass that will be thrown his way? The 10's and A gays wouldn't have normally hit on him but he can pretty much have his pick now - will he let it go to his head and ruin his relationship?

Chasten and Pete likely have an open situation anyway, so I'm sure Chasten won't mind Pete getting even more attention now.

R280 Why would they likely have an open situation? Everything about them says traditional, monogamous etc

Because they are both smart men. Educated men understand that monogamy is a fantasy that is not practical in real life.

No, r282, educated men do not agree with you.

His lack of experience is certainly not an asset. I might be too much of a fanboy at this time, hence biased, but I think he has some traits to compensate the lack of experience well. So I don't scratch him off my list just yet.

My assumption so far is that he has an IQ way above average and that he is capable of so much more than the average joe. He needs a good challenge to get stimulated. So whatever he will do in the future, it will be something where he can learn while also generating significant output. Already what he stating about his policies is so much more polished than what you hear from other candidates. He has the vision, and the way he explains things, he also has plans on how to get his vision turn reality. His statements have so much substance that more experienced competitors should be embarrassed.

He acknowledged that a good leader needs to be able to listen and surround himself with capable people. He probably learned that at McKinsey. As long as he knows how to recruit right and truly listens, he should be doing fine.

[quote] A man of his travels, intellect and ambition isn't content to stay in a small, provincial town like South Bend.

There is hate, violence and mayhem in our world, all of it saddens me. But what gets my goat are presumptuous cunts like this, may this bitch die in a grease fire. Those who speak for others deserve to choke on their own words.

r274, what is the school superintendant's salary?

Chasten isn't an elementary teacher...

A man who is running for president should be alpha since the alpha is supposed to be the leader.

“Alpha” is a line of shit that the originator of the stupid term even debunked. There is no “alpha”

R289, it's a scientific term for the dominant animal in a group, so what are you talking about?

r287 If he's a junior high school teacher in South Bend, Indiana then the salary average is $53,000 with a top range of about $61,000 according to Salary.com.

Damn teachers do not get paid enough to be dealing with those idiot mini humans.

[quote]Because they are both smart men. Educated men understand that monogamy is a fantasy that is not practical in real life.

R282, I second R283. Is that the line you give people R282? Ridiculous.

I believe, It's okay to be in an open relationship. It's also okay to not be in one. Your level of intelligence has nothing to do with it. Those two don't seem like they have one.

His greatest asset is being completely palatable to most of America. Also his job (even when he was in the military) and Chasten's job as a teacher don't lend themselves to people who would cause anything remotely close to a stir. If there were dirt on either of them, you'd likely have heard it already. Being that he has had this on his agenda (even as a joke in high school) for a long time, I doubt he'd have done anything to jeopardize it.

Doesn't Chasten teach in a private school? If so, those figures are meaningless.

[quote]Chasten and Pete likely have an open situation anyway, so I'm sure Chasten won't mind Pete getting even more attention now.

No possible way Pete would have an open relationship while running for office. Being gay is a big enough hurdle to overcome with many voters; being gay an promiscuous is practically insurmountable.

How is a gay man palatable to most Americans when QUALIFIED women and minorities are not? The same way that a dynamic black man was preferable to Hillary in 2008 and a nazi monster con man rapist was elected over Hillary Clinton in 2016. Hillary Clinton is not the problem. American's won't elect a woman. But they won't elect a gay that doesn't do a minstrel show for them either.

Sorry but newly mayored Pete and his cute husband are not the next occupants of the White House. If Trump wins again, their marriage won't even be legal. Democrats best get smart and focused as the going gets more serious. But think about it now. Pete doesn't even deserve to be president and can't possibly do better than Warren, Harris, Biden or even Bernie. Get real gays. He's a waste of energy and money. AND, he's homely. Back a longshot who should win. E Warren or B Saunders.

R290, eat shit

R297, you can eat shit. But, glad you could find an article from the preeminent scientific journal, Business Insider. That crap was popularized by all those freaky dog training obsessives who wanted to remove any form of perceived dominance from their work as super animal saviors of the world. In the real world of science, the ideas of dominance in groups of animals in a concrete fact. If you even read beyond the title of your own article, you'd see they are talking about the keeping of dominance by violence, not the lack of dominance.

Let me guess, you're a BetoBoy...low information, drawn to shiny titles instead of substance, didn't bother to look up multiple sources like I did when I wrote my original post calling your bullshit.

Eat shit

Go. Eat. Dog shit

[quote]In the real world of science, the ideas of dominance in groups of animals in a concrete fact.

Concrete as your noggin

Eat shit

[quote]Let me guess, you're a BetoBoy...

Nope, never heard him speak, all I know about him is his vanity fair article. Fuck right off, cunt

The reason people won’t vote for women are: they think women are not tough, they will be intimidated and bullied by male foreign leaders and be unable to hold their own. They may even think the U.S. will be taken advantage of, or even attacked by misogynistic leaders of other countries. The women they know at work or home are either submissive or easily intimidated. Watching Hillary being stalked onstage by Trump didn’t reassure them. The U.S. is known to be militarily aggressive around the world. Will people be reassured by Elizabeth Warren as the head of the Armed Forces? What qualifications does she have for that, or to manage or even instigate a war if necessary?

Another reason is there are many passages in the Bible that say women are always inferior to men and specifically say women should never tell men what to do. Not at home, not at church and not in the public sphere. The Bible is very specific about that and Evangelicals don’t want any women in a position of power, ever. Even when Sarah Palin ran as VP, there was a lot of talk about it in Evangelical circles. The dilemma was, they knew she was a Dominionist and pro-life, and liked her personally, but thought her running was against the will of God. In the most evangelistic sects, women are not allowed to vote, or are only allowed to vote as directed by their husbands.

Higher turnout generally means Democrats win. Low turnout favors Republicans. Any woman candidate has to make up for a built-in deficit of votes. She has to make up for it by increased female turnout, or young people or some other group.

The fact that we know the Russians are going to interfere with the election, Trump has a hard core base of around 37%-40% that will never move, and that there will be a lot of voter suppression directed at minorities, means we may have a razor thin margin to begin with. Is it worth the risk? Look at what happens next if the gamble doesn’t pan out.

This may be an academic exercise. The only woman with a chance is Warren probably, and she’s not doing well in the polls. None of the women are doing as well in the polls as white men. Unless that changes, all the women may soon fade away.

[quote]How is a gay man palatable to most Americans when QUALIFIED women and minorities are not?

It's not about him being gay, it's about him being a white male. That trumps most things!

[quote]The same way that a dynamic black man was preferable to Hillary in 2008 and a nazi monster con man rapist was elected over Hillary Clinton in 2016. Hillary Clinton is not the problem. American's won't elect a woman.

Goodness! Can we make something clear? I don't want to seem like I'm quibbling over this particular but it's important.

3 million more people voted for Hillary Clinton than they did Donald Trump BUT they just didn't do it in the right areas for it to matter with our system of electing the President.

I will agree that America has a real problem with women.

[quote]But they won't elect a gay that doesn't do a minstrel show for them either.

Nobody thought they would elect Obama twice either and he didn't have the "benefit" of being white. I'd say he had a tougher hurtle to jump over than Pete has although Pete has other issues. The only conclusion you should draw from the last election is that many Americans don't give a damn about who is qualified and who isn't as long as they like the person. That was a negative with Trump and could be a positive here.

[quote]Pete doesn't even deserve to be president and can't possibly do better than Warren, Harris, Biden or even Bernie. Get real gays. He's a waste of energy and money. AND, he's homely. Back a longshot who should win. E Warren or B Saunders.

Let's make something clear: one of the things we should have learned from the last election is that the President is also elected based upon likability. Trump is a scum bag but the people that went to bat for him REALLY went to bat for him.

Elizabeth Warren is far more qualified than many of these other candidates but not enough people like her right now and she's not getting enough press coverage because of it!

*hurdle not hurdle. Ugh, I need a nap.

R304, trump’s base is smaller than that, but your points are well taken

R304's points are sexist nonsense since Hillary got 3 million more votes and almost the exact same number of votes Obama got in 2012.

Just not in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan

First, R309, pretty sure those votes were hacked. Secondly, that doesn't matter to the sexist points R304 spent a whole lot of time writing out.

I know that it won't do any good, but I'm going to say it anyway. It's not that Clinton was a woman, it's that some voters disliked her specifically. There are folks who either didn't vote for president at all, or who at the last minute decided that they would vote for Trump as the lesser of two evils, who would have voted for almost any other woman except Clinton. It was her specifically who turn them off.

She lost. Get it? She couldn’t close the deal.

We can’t afford another Democrat that can’t close the deal. Trump will go 100x harder knowing nobody can stop him. He’ll burn every bridge.

Will dump have to debate against the other rethug running in the primaries?

My my, it is a hot Saturday night on the DL. Ladies, could we please calm down and have a cup of tea?

Fuck off with that clap trap, “close the deal?” You trying to imitate trump?

[quote]But what gets my goat are presumptuous cunts like this, may this bitch die in a grease fire. Those who speak for others deserve to choke on their own words.

Grow up. You're just mad because you know it's true.

Mark my words, no matter what happens in 2020, Pete and Chasten are leaving South Bend--the supposed home of Pete's heart.

I'm glad that Chasten's parents finally came around. His brother is another story...

R316, you’ll eat those words, shithead. I hate your kind and who you stand for

Watch your tone, ladies.

Nothing is happening for Pete in 2020. This is so laughable. He's made one national appearance where he didn't do well. A gay man is never going be elected president, so hopefully the electorate won't make him the Democratic Nom. None of the contenders have the guts to play hard, but Pete is in no position to even try. Boy doesn't have one sellable idea and a mountain of negative charm. Let's get serious.

Warren, Biden Or Bernie. There will be no other outcome. Not one of them is MY first choice. But Pete Buttgeiger is not even in the top 10. Get real. Dude is a decade from qualified and 8 years from ready. He's not playing for any team but his own. A Mayor? Christ. He will transition into TV talking spokesperson long before the end of 2020. I wonder if he'll remain a dude?

You sound uninformed, r320. Your rant is hardly based on facts. And where it is, the facts are wrong.

[quote]She lost. Get it? She couldn’t close the deal.

Sorry Berno, Hillary did not lose the election. Thank the Russians for hacking the elections.

Pete again came 3rd in the ABC poll. And this with just a fraction of name recognition that other candidates have.

It was a pleasure blocking R320.

Warren, Kamala, Pete, and Bernie. This will be the real race. Biden’s rollout has been a disaster. He won’t be there six months from now. Hopefully.

Lower name recognition, re323, and pre-debates (which I suspect is a strong suit of his).

[quote]You sound uninformed, [R320]. Your rant is hardly based on facts. And where it is, the facts are wrong.

How so R321? I am neither uniformed or a fan of temporary facts. Keep that in mind when you reply. I did rant a bit. No one should be invested anymore in anything but sense. Media and fanbros "create" facts and sometimes change outcomes. Sense tells smart men and women what to do. There is no meaning to the word facts. You best catch up with the fight against nationalism R321.

And how many times will R324 proclaim it his pleasure to block me? He never does. How you gonna miss me if I never go? Enjoy it while you can. Gays chatting will be outlawed soon. Don't vote for ButtHowdy, choose wisely.

I had something similar to that happen to me once. Except the tuna got stuck, and I couldn't get it out.

^^^ wrong thread.

I think we can stop saying the Pete lacks name recognition now.

I wonder if Chastens brother was invited to the wedding.

r330 compared to Warren, Biden, Sanders his name recognition is very little.

I don't think so, R332. He's been on every show for months. He wouldn't be doing as well in the polls if people didn't know who he was. I think his name recognition is now equal to those. They are all at the top of the polls due to name recognition.

All this conversation about people not voting for women is moot, since Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. Can we live in reality now? Thanks.

lets see some fan porn art of that fine ass and his lovers teats/cock

It's not, r333. From an April 15-21st poll, 36% haven't heard of Pete, 11% haven't heard of Warren, virtually everyone has heard of Bernie and Biden.

Just because the political junkies on the DL are now very familiar with Pete does not mean that there aren't millions of barely interested average people who haven't got a clue who he is, or at the most vaguely know he exists but no idea about who he is or what he stands for.

Oh, FFS. We get it. Who IS this young whippersnapper who thinks he has what it takes to be president! I tell you what. I think he’d make a better president than Joe Biden. At least he knows what year it is. Joe thinks it’s 1993. And will govern accordingly.

Poor Bernie, his pro-prisoner voting stance is doing him in. No sane person wants that. Pete's seems like the smartest choice.

Polls don't mean anything yet. Polls taken this far away from nomination conventions are more wrong than right. I think four years ago Jeb Bush was the Republican front runner before he burned in a grease fire.

R339, everyone I know thinks it’s fine, if trump can vote, so should any mass murderer or terrorist

No, Hillary did not win. Is she in the White House? No. Because in the U.S., there’s such a thing as the electoral college. And Hillary knew there was an electoral college and she didn’t campaign in the states she had to win to beat Trump in the electoral college. Which was stupid beyond belief, especially for her, because she had a hands-on role in both of Bill’s campaigns and was right in the middle of all the campaign strategy. She probably had more campaign insider knowledge than anybody else, plus she had Bill who also understood campaign strategy very well. Bill warned her and she didn’t listen, they fought about it. It’s been reported.

A lot of Democratic candidates can win the millions of voters on the coasts. And if they don’t win the heartland, they’re going to lose and Trump will get a second term. The whole reason the electoral college was created to begin with was to force candidates to campaign outside their region, to people of every type of background. We might not like it, but it’s there. Hillary could have won by twenty million votes and if they were all on the coasts, she’d still lose.

Saying somebody “won” when they didn’t win is just irrational. Trump won the states she needed to win. That’s why he’s in the White House and she isn’t.

I’m sick to death of Democrats denying reality in favor of their candidate. Almost winning doesn’t count. And she knew Trump was an asshole, she should have tried harder for all our sakes.

[quote]A lot of Democratic candidates can win the millions of voters on the coasts. And if they don’t win the heartland, they’re going to lose and Trump will get a second term.

I don't like your tone, but you are correct on this one. Wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michgan are the states to watch

Sorry, R343, but I’m just sick of the irrationality of people saying over and over that she “won.” She did not win. Not by the standards every candidate knew existed.

I’m concerned that Kamala in particular is going the same way. Yes, she can get the coasts in the general. But what is she doing or saying to appeal to the Midwest and white people in essential states? Reparations? I’m sure they’re going to love that in New Hampshire, Ohio and Pennsyltucky.

[quote] ’m just sick of the irrationality of people saying over and over that she “won.”

Winning a race that isn't being run gets you no blue ribbons.

[quote] I’m concerned that Kamala in particular is going the same way. Yes, she can get the coasts in the general. But what is she doing or saying to appeal to the Midwest and white people in essential states?

I agree, but hopefully the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries will weed out the candidates who can't appeal to Midwesterners and white working-class voters. If Harris finishes no better than 5th or 6th in both Iowa and New Hampshire (behind Biden, Bernie, Buttigieg, Beto, and possibly Warren in NH and Klobuchar in Iowa), she won't be the nominee. It's hard to do poorly in both Iowa and N.H. and recover to become the nominee. Just ask Rudy Giuliani about 2008.

[quote] But what is she doing or saying to appeal to the Midwest and white people in essential states? Reparations? I’m sure they’re going to love that in New Hampshire, Ohio and Pennsyltucky.

There seems to be a contingent of very vocal liberal intellectuals who are insistent that the 2020 election be a "national conversation" about social justice and identity politics -- reparations, white privilege, systemic racism, patriarchy, etc. If we can't find a way to get them to quiet down and and save some of their rhetoric for AFTER the election, they could turn what should be a slam-dunk win for the Democrats into 4 more years of Trump.

I’m afraid too much money is being spent in the early days on candidates that have no chance of winning. By the time we get a nominee, everyone’s campaign donation limit will be spent.

If you’re going to appeal to your minority base and ignore poor and middle class whites, you’re going to lose. That’s why white men are leading in every poll. The women and minorities get a lot of attention in the media because “the first” anything is newsworthy. That doesn’t mean those people are going to win. If whites don’t like their platform they’re through.

A lot of people seem to be unaware of the math here: non-Hispanic whites are 61.3% of the population. Including Hispanics, they are 76.9%. Blacks are 12.7%. Appeal to whites or you lose. It’s like little kids that want to eat dessert without eating the spinach first. Eat your vegetables, or no dessert.

As of July 2016:

“White Americans are the majority in every census-defined region (Northeast, Midwest, South, West) and in every state except Hawaii, but contribute the highest proportion of the population in the Midwestern United States, at 83%-85%. Non-Hispanic Whites make up 79% of the Midwest's population, the highest ratio of any region. However, 35% of White Americans (whether all White Americans or non-Hispanic/Latino only) live in the South, the most of any region.

Currently, 55% of the African American population lives in the South.”

So a lot of black voters live in red states they can’t swing.

This has a lot to do with Trump carrying the Midwest. He appealed in the worst possible way to whites’ fears. Industries being phased out, job loss, racism. If you’re competing against that, you better have something to offer those people that’s consistent with American values. If the only one paying attention is saying, “whites are supreme,” then you better find a way to say, “whites aren’t better than, but my plan helps them and they’ll be better off with me, not him.”

Reparations isn’t cutting it. No white majority state is going to think taking a bunch of money out of their pocket and giving it to a tiny minority in their state and mostly people in another state is going to help them.

I think what’s really happening with all this reparations talk is that blacks are a significant minority in the primaries, but in the general a lot of them are in red states. So, they get a lot of attention in the primaries but can’t do as much to deliver states in the general.

Right now candidates are just putting ideas out there to hear applause. If they don’t win the heavily weighted white primary states in the beginning, they will be long gone before the blackest primaries.

A candidate that tailors his platform to the demographics has a better chance to win in the primaries and the general. Some of these candidates seem to be more worried about being cool than winning, and don’t seem to comprehend what it’s going to take to win.

R347: Newsflash. Donation limits are separate for primaries and the general election. Once the primaries are over and the nominees are set, the donation limits reset. You people need to learn about what you're talking about before you open your mouths.

[quote] Newsflash. Donation limits are separate for primaries and the general election. Once the primaries are over and the nominees are set, the donation limits reset.

I read R347 as saying that by the time the general election comes along, everyone will be "tapped out" and unwilling to donate any more money -- not as a statement about the legal limits on donations.

[Quote] If they don’t win the heavily weighted white primary states in the beginning, they will be long gone before the blackest primaries.

So far, I haven't heard a single dem candidate cater to white voters. Felons' voting rights and reparations aren't things that will appeal to middle America, white voters.

Harris will have incredibly high expectations in California among pundits. I'd say she needs an outright first or very close second as a bare minimum to continue afterwards. After Obama's win in Iowa the first time, and his decent showing in New Hampshire, she cannot possibly get away with blowing them off implying they're "white" states.

If Biden's few days have been a "disaster" what you make of Kamala at fourth after Mayor Pete, all these months after she announced? And Liz behind her?

There's some other disasters that seem inconvenient to discuss.

It's a framed as a battle between Biden and Bernie. Pick a horse people.

Kamala supporters on DL are just playing Barbies.

[quote]Just because the political junkies on the DL are now very familiar with Pete does not mean that there aren't millions of barely interested average people who haven't got a clue who he is, or at the most vaguely know he exists but no idea about who he is or what he stands for.

R337, I hate to tell you this but people know who he is outside of Datalounge and have for a while now.

From FiveThirtyEight

[quote]At first, I suspected that the “Buttigieg bump” was overblown — that the media was getting more interested in him, but actual voters mostly were not. But there’s actually good reason to believe that the interest in Buttigieg is pretty organic. He appears to have generated a lot of Google search interest relative to his media coverage and has attracted plenty of small donors.

People are just plain ole interested in the guy and so is the media. He's certainly gotten way more coverage than Warren and Harris.

And yet, R355, as you can see in this link, he is still not as well-known as Harris and Warren (let alone Biden and Bernie). There's something to be said for being a national figure for years. I agree that he will be quite well-known in the coming months. Hopefully, that means his numbers will also rise.

R347 here. I meant, we now have candidates that are going to have to campaign for *a year and a half* in Iowa and New Hampshire. People have done that before, but it’s usually one or two guys, not 20.

How many people can afford to donate to multiple candidates for years? How many people are going to be so burned out between now and New Hampshire they’re just going to check out until the convention?

Then there’s the fact that with no actual voting happening, we don’t really know who’s going to wash out until either somebody makes a horrible faux pas, runs out of money or both. Meanwhile the RNC has a year and a half to dig up dirt.

At a certain point, people may throw up their hands and say, wake me up when it’s the convention. Then how are all these people who are campaigning endlessly in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina going to be able to pay for anything past Super Tuesday? Or be able to campaign in smaller and less critical states, when they have to blow their wad in New Hampshire because everybody else is doing it?

It’s like WWI trench warfare - years in the same trench with no progress.

My concern is, what has to happen for some of these people to drop out and narrow the field, when there’s no voting going on? Financing 20 campaigns isn’t sustainable.

R356, I looked at that link it still implies that 64% of the people they spoke with had heard of him - even with 9 percent of them not liking him.

The only point of my post was to say that people outside of Datalounge do know who the guy is.

Also that says nothing of media mentions or rather the amount of airtime he's getting.

According to the same website you linked, support for him is currently trending over Harris and Warren and out of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada he's still ranked third behind Biden and Sanders among voters.

So the early state people are more engaged. Not surprising because those are the people that get candidate visits.

Pete needs to try the 50 state strategy. People don’t know him, show up and talk policy. States that don’t often get visits will be flattered. He’s the underdog, he needs to work harder than anybody else. At least he’s young enough to do the marathon.

Biden and Bernie are so well known they’re killing the ability of others to be heard, and in the end I just have a strong feeling both their negatives are so bad they can’t win.

Biden’s past is all there for want of a google. The Republicans won’t have to work hard to paint him as a fraud who pretends to be for the working class but legislated or voted against them again and again. Anita Hill, Crime bill, war mongerer, his draconian war on drugs, creation of office of Drug Czar. Mandatory sentences. No parole for drug felons. He has always had a hard on for pot and crack smokers. Not so much powder cocaine which was considered the white man’s drug of choice. It certainly was for his son Hunter. Daughter Ashley liked her pot. Both got caught. Didn’t do time. Hunter was discharged from the Navy two months in for testing positive for cocaine. Hunter’s business deals in Ukraine. And China. So much negative information out there. So I will gladly pick a horse. Warren. She’s everything he’s not. Thank Goddess.

All I want to know is that every Democrat will vote for the nominee whoever it is.

God help us if it's Bernie but even if it is.

I don't understand the hypocrisy. Is anal sex only bad when it's between two men? Aren't the wives of straight men who like anal sex also sodomites?

Just made my campaign contribution and got a lovely mug.

BOOTY-JUDGE is a better

All right Ladies, and I speak in loose tones, is there anyone who doesn't have a plethora of dirt that won't be dug up by the Repugs that we can all get behind? So to speak.

In other words, let's cut to the chase. Who can we nominate who will WIN?

Hillary Clinton had a lot of dirt because she plays dirty. I don't really see Obama as someone who played dirty, but he may have better control over his narrative. Trump clearly plays dirty and he still won. Whoever manipulates the media well enough will win.

[quote] Whoever manipulates the media well enough will win.

Oh dear God. I wonder who that may be.

As ABC stated :

[quote]"albeit with a decided tilt toward older voters that could define the party’s 2020 contest as a generational showdown."

Meaning most of these samples were over 50 (as the poll defines them). Meaning Pete is doing well even when older people are polled.

Also, re Biden vs. Sanders:

[quote]"Sanders struggled to win support from nonwhites in 2016, losing them to Hillary Clinton, 71-28 percent, in primaries in which exit polls were conducted. Today Biden leads Sanders among nonwhites overall by 16-10percent, including19-3percent among blacks (compared with a close 5-8percent among Hispanics)".

Takeaways:

*Biden is getting a big push from African-Americans despite Anita Hill and they are part of why he leads overall. This is surprising because there are two younger black Democrats running for office. Plus, this shows he can carry both the black vote and Midwest white independent vote.

*both Biden and Sanders are losing the Hispanic vote to someone else,or the alternative, the Hispanic vote is fragmenting between all the candidates where there is no clear choice. A 5% vs. 8% denotes a poor showing with Hispanics and does not bode well in Nevada,California, and Texas. This is actually great news for Pete (and everyone else not named Biden or Sanders)

*Mayor Pete is not doing that bad with older voters. He comes 3rd among them.

Eldergay here. I vote for Mayor Pete! How many Eldergays are with me?

It's so strange that Biden (who has a questionable civil rights record) is doing so much better than Sanders (who was a civil rights activist). Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining. I can't stand Sanders. But this tells you that the support is mainly about personality.

Sorry, meant that Biden is doing so much better than Sanders among African-Americans.

[quote]But this tells you that the support is mainly about personality.

Is this your first time at the rodeo, fella?

I really like mayor Pete, but I could support any number of the Dem hopefuls, and will happily support the eventual nominee...

I keep wondering what his angle is. He must know it is a very, very steep hill to climb to get the nomination (I actually think it would be easier for him to win the election and the presidency.).

So what is this about? Name recognition before a Senate run? Is he hoping to make President in 2024? '28? (on the back of that name recognition, on socializing the country to a gay president, etc.)

He surely must think at a minimum he's the longest of shots. I love him. I think he's unique. I'd love this to happen but don't think it will, not this time.

Packed schedule for Peet nextweek

Mon: meeting with Al Sharpton and appearance on The Daily Show

Tues: grassroots fundraiser in Somerville, MA

Thurs: grassroots fundraiser in Minneapolis

Fri: Dallas County Dem Party Dinner

Sat: grassroots fundraiser in Houston

Make sure you follow him everywhere DL bitches. Go Pete Go

If you listen to what he actually says, he says it’s a unique moment in history and a once in a lifetime chance (due to Trump blowing up the rule book). That explains it.

Assuming Pete is as much of a clean teen as he appears, everyone knew the most controversial thing about him right out of the starting gate. He’s gay and married to a man. People have a year and a half to get over it. Anybody that doesn’t get over it in that much time, wasn’t going to vote for a Democrat anyway.

It helps a lot that Chasten seems very kind and personable. He’s a regular schlub and gay at the same time. People could actually see him doing First Lady jobs and going on Ellen.

R374 he is #3 in the polls after biden and bernie. Why do u think he has no chance ? The more he introduces himself more the support

R377, I think he is up against a more experience field when the issues of policy start to emerge. It's going to get tougher and he doesn't have the same level of experience. There will come a point in the process where the measures by which the public makes their choice start to change. It may not be that Pete fucks up, but it could be that someone strengthens. Maybe the economy tanks and Bernie or Warren start looking really good and centrists don't. "Events, dear boy, event..."

And the media is so determined to horse race this again. Like him or not, they flayed Biden right out of the official gate (which if you like him you found a bit much and if you don't you were delighted...) But that's the price of front runner at this stage, because there's not much else to report. I mean, except for practicality related to paying the bills, what does the amount of money a candidate raises have to do with the quality of that candidacy? Fuck all. But the media is babbling about how the fundraising is such an important measure of a candidate. So the day will come for Pete when the press starts fucking him up.

I don't think he's got no chance. I don't think I said that and if I did I didn't mean it. But I do think it's going to get a lot harder for him and a lot more difficult for his candidacy. This many competitors, this far out, it's a lot to get through.

I agree, R377. While it may be a steep climb, it's not as far-fetched as it seems.

Pete = Mr Rogers

Chasten = Michelle 2.O

Together, they’re like taking Milk of Magnesia after eating a bad meal.

Ummm in what world is Chasten anywhere near on the same level as Michelle!?

How dare you!

It's a crush for some, R381.

Chasten >> Michelle . Did Michelle parents throw her out of the house because she was straight or black ?

Throw her out? I rode my baby all the way to the third for of the big house, sucka!

R381, I didn’t mean Chasten is a fabulous as Michelle, I meant he appeals to the same audience of fraus that like to watch morning shows and who care about children’s schools and all that sort of thing. Chasten is a teacher, he fits right in with the mommy fraus and their interests. He could also make veterans’ issues a personal issue, since Pete is a vet. The Obamas and Jill Biden founded a lot of nice organizations and holiday events for vets that Trump promptly threw out or ignored, they could start all that again and be good at it.

Michelle was a high powered lawyer, but she had to dumb it down a lot for the White House, and being smart, she did a really good job of it. Pretty much everything Michelle did, Chasten could take over or bring back in some fashion. Nutritious school lunches (he’s a teacher), the organic garden (loves to work with kids), etc.

Looks aren’t everything, especially for people who need help or validation and don’t care what package it comes in.

Try following Chasten on twitter, you see he’s very involved in being the First Gentleman, he’s not just somebody’s husband. And he has a job too, so he must really be cutting into his own free time. Good for him.

[quote] And he has a job too, so he must really be cutting into his own free time.

He's taken a leave of absence from his teaching job to join Pete on the campaign trail.

But until then he was the First Gentleman of SB and a junior high teacher.

[quote]He's taken a leave of absence from his teaching job to join Pete on the campaign trail.

And to make sure Pete isn't screwing around. Mmmmmhummmmmm.

R369, me!!

[quote]Did Michelle parents throw her out of the house because she was straight or black ?

She's black?

She’s Black

I'm 50, I like to kick, jump and vote for Pete!

md too

[quote] She's black?

She's a she?

A recent photo of R394’s idol.

I’m an eldergay and I think Mayor Pete is the bees knees.

[quote] Packed schedule for Peet nextweek Mon: meeting with Al Sharpton

Everybody must pledge obedience to the Godfather

I don't know if this was adressed to me, but I've never said Hillary won, I've only pointed out that she had 3 million more votes than Trump, thus the idea no one would vote for her or any other woman for that matter is false.

My take is that no matter which of the three Bernie, Biden or Buttigieg gets the nomination, neither has the rejection sociopathic Hillary Clinton has. I know many democrats who didn't vote, because of her and because they didn't think Trump had a chance.

R399, you're an idiot. You've swallowed all the Repug talking points and don't even seem to know it.

R399 Hillary Clinton is not a sociopath just because Rush Limbaugh or the other right-wing fringe radio said it.

No sir, The Clintons are sociopaths because they're warmongers who wouldn't think twice to invade a sovereign nation, start a war then order bombings to kill civilians if that advances their careers. You don't need to support Republicans to see that. Ask Yugoslavians what they think of Bill and Hillary, or Syrians for that matter. See?

That being said, most politicians are sociopaths, including JFK (dictatorships in Latin America) or Obama, remember when he was going to shut down Guantanamo?

I fear for Pete, he seems genuine, but he did fight a war for oil corporations, so he might be another sociopath in the making. We'll see. So far I'm overlooking the veteran part.

Death by torture is funny to Hillary.

Go away, this thread isn’t, nor was ever about Hilliary

58, Hispanic, y me gusta Pete.

Not taking 402's bait.

This thing about Buttigieg lacking the support of african-american voters has started to get traction. And with the way media work, it doesn't even matter if it's accurate or not. He needs to get ahead of it before others run with it. That could hurt him more than lack of experience.

R402’s IQ is written in the waistband of its underwear...if it’s even hygienic enough to wear any...

Looking at this morning's futures contract prices,

Biden at 23

Sanders at 22

Harris at 14

Pete at 16

Warren at 9

Yang at 10

Beto at 6

Cory at 5

A cute and out Cory Booker could have been a believable contender. He wouldn't have seemed so fake.

For the hell of it I just made an offer for 100 shares of Hillary at one each,

And I also thought Cory might pull it together, unlike what he has done. Before Christmas I bought Cory at 7. If it pulls its way back that high I'll sell and cut my losses.

[quote] Chasten could take over or bring back in some fashion. Nutritious school lunches (he’s a teacher), the organic garden (loves to work with kids), etc.

R385 I agree. Chasten would make a lovely nanny, gardener and housekeeper. Everybody ought to have a maid.

But, as First Lady, um Gentleman, I don't think he has the class.

R406 There is already polling to support the claim that Pete does not have strong support from black voters and other POC. That can change, but it's not something that's just being invented out of thin air.

You actually don't even need polls. just look at who's showing up at his events, and who was in attendance at his official campaign announcement. I actually think dump had more black people at his rallies.

Uh Oh. Danger Will Robinson!

That sounds really fake, R414. Know anything about the website?

All I know about that website is that it never claimed that Saddam Hussein's vast arsenal of WMDs represented an existential threat to the USA and it didn't spend the last two years telling us that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election. So it's at least more trustworthy than most mainstream news sites.

That accusation is worded funny. "I must come forward as an American, though this will make my already hard life harder. I can't sleep, I might jump off a bridge or building." OY. Can't they find an actual 21 year old to write these lies? Those gays are so unstable when they've been assaulted. More details to come!!!

r408 How did Yang get so high?

The accuser's instagram profile

@hkelly1997 — instagram profile. he made it private just recently.

“Log Cabin Republican. LGBT for TRUMP 2a. Patriotc #MAGA #Trump2020”

It sounds like a Republican disinformation and conspiracy site.

When you see posts like that on somebody’s social media account, go back to who they follow. Usually the first or second person they follow is Trump.

He's went public with his accusation, so he'll either have to recount and fess up to lying, or the mainstream media will pick it up, and Pete will have to address it.

Whoa, sounds weird

Watch out for trolls

Hunter Kelly? Really?! Couldn’t he have come up with a name better than two different shades of green?

Pete met with Al Sharpton today which was incredibly stupid.

African Americans on Twitter aren't buying it and many of them (as people even here have said) don't think Al speaks for them.

The Hunter Kelly thing reads likes a DL EST.

When Mr. Kelly said "more details to come", does he mean that he is hoping that a major news source will want to interview him?

HOT SAUCE!

Pete’s not the only one meeting with Al. Al represents a small group of older people probably. But some other candidate met with him a week or two ago I think. And he and Pete have attended events at the same time, which might be why he’s there. Al probably asked him to be there.

According to this article, Beto, Gillibrand and Kamala already met with him. So why is Pete the only one being criticized? I’m telling you, someone is trolling to try to change the narrative on Pete. He’s the only one getting attacked for things they all do, or for made up stories.

Here’s some excerpts from an article about it dated April 4.

A glimpse at the guest list for the Rev. Al Sharpton’s confab here this week would surely astonish any New Yorker arriving in a time machine from the 1980s. Every major Democrat who has launched a White House bid has cleared their schedule to get in front of the Reverend.

Few things once seemed more improbable, save perhaps for the White House being occupied by Donald Trump, who once competed with Sharpton for screaming tabloid headlines and airtime on what was then a nascent medium known as “trash TV.”

But today, Sharpton’s approval is sought by political candidates far and near. The crusades he launched decades ago against police abuse and racist enforcement of drug laws — back when his issues were widely denigrated as fringe and his look ran to velour tracksuits, giant gold medallions and a pompadour the size of Queens — are now central to the speeches of almost every Democratic 2020 hopeful.

However described, the shift has worked for him and his group, the National Action Network. In addition to its status as a must-stop for presidential hopefuls, the annual conference has become a who’s who of black political and thought leaders.

“No one wants to be on the negative end of his organization,” said Christina Greer, who teaches black ethnic politics at Fordham University in New York. “A lot of marginalized communities fundamentally see him as their voice,” Greer said. “When poor people can’t get an elected official to respond or call them back, they know Sharpton will. Not only will he call back, he will bring cameras.”

Candidates now publicly genuflect before him, as Beto O’Rourke did when the former Texas congressman took the stage soon after the conference got underway Wednesday.

After Sen. Kamala Harris of California launched her presidential bid, one of her first trips was to see Sharpton. She burnished her bona fides with black activists by dining with the reverend before a horde of cameras at Harlem’s power restaurant, Sylvia’s.

New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand never forgets to call Sharpton on his birthday.

Here’s the Pete/Al interview.

At the link there's at least 4 different candidates that have met with him in the past.

[quote]I’m telling you, someone is trolling to try to change the narrative on Pete. He’s the only one getting attacked for things they all do, or for made up stories.

No one is "trolling" him. People just seem to have a real problem with what happened in South Bend. That is truly the only thing that is haunting him. So people are paying more attention to his interactions with people of color because, as said tons of posts ago, it seems to get people clicking which just generates more rage which just continues the story.

But what is all the “rage” about?

Pete hires a black police chief. Police chief illegally bugs some white cops and catches them making slurs against him on tape. Tape can’t be used because it’s illegal. FBI goes to Pete and tells him about the illegal taping. Pete fires police chief. Lawsuits in every direction by every party. Tapes are property of court now. Not even Pete has heard them.

Translates to: “Evil Racist Monster Pete Evil Evil Evil.” Every time he tries to do anything to clarify the facts he’s ignored. Every time he tries to reach out to the black community he’s ridiculed.

That is the essence of trolling.

I see, now exposing the agenda behind politicians that bomb and kill civilians or back dictatorships for the advancement of their careers or for the sake of the corporations backing their campaign is BAIT.

DL has gone to the drains. Back in the day this used to be a message board with Ivy League educated left wingers who were smarter than that, guess now we're left with the likes of you, huh R406?

What's next? Accusing me of being a Russian troll?

You criticize gays going bananas over Pete, but defend a proven sociopath like stans defending the sexuality of their favorite celebrity. This place has gone to shit.

Regarding Miss Hunter Kelly, somebody posted this in the comments section at Medium:

[quote][bold]Tom Mullen[/bold]

[quote]Apr 29

[quote]I know you from West Michigan and you are a FRAUD!

Wonder if this trick is somebody who knows Chasten or Chasten's deplorable family.

The Hill=Complicit DC cocktail party douches.

I would be surprised if it’s not some homophobic person that goes to his homophobic brother’s church.

If this backfires, will it hurt Pete anyway?

I noticed Rev Al made a comment in the interview that if blacks didn’t want to be discriminated against, then they had to not be homophobic, or something to that extent. I thought that was nice.

One doesn't have to dig too deep on the South Bend police chief situation to understand that Pete acted properly within the context of the law and the range of knowledge he had at the time. There is no malice or scandal here. And he is still interested in getting to the bottom of it. Move along. Many people would applaud his ability to fire the guy , being able to make a tough decision under pressure but doing the right thing, again within the context of the law.

Jussie cleared they way for gay male on male sexual assault fraud. I don't anyone even thinks IT'S a thing. A guy is just supposed to punch the other guy out, not act like a big scared pussy. What a joke

Here’s a Vogue article on Mayor Pete.

Vogue would throw Pete overboard in a moment if Hillary snapped her fingers.

Oh God... Vogue photoshopped Pete's chin.

Pete ordered fried chicken, collard greens and mac & cheese at his lunch with Al. The nerve of this guy!

Yes, Pete forgot to bring hot sauce in his purse! R443

Here’s a brief summary of where Pete stands on some issues. If you scroll down to the end, they do the same with many other candidates and there are links to those articles at the bottom.

It gets on my nerves when Al and his guests sit at a table by the window and "casually" eat lunch with the paps, and media right outside. So fake.

The sexual assault allegation turned out to be fake. Here is the guy, Hunter Kelly who just posted this on his FB page.

Dirty Republicans. I wish death on each one of them. Bastards

R426, all we need is that hunter is pete’s Nephew

R447 tweet was deleted.

r449 this is what shared in that deleted tweet

Heavy.com covers the story of the alleged sexual assault and finds it problematic.

[quote]Pete hires a black police chief. Police chief illegally bugs some white cops and catches them making slurs against him on tape. Tape can’t be used because it’s illegal. FBI goes to Pete and tells him about the illegal taping. Pete fires police chief. Lawsuits in every direction by every party. Tapes are property of court now. Not even Pete has heard them.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I heard him explain it and it made sense.

What he needs to do is get that word out in a forum where it is seen by people of color and then hopefully it will go away. It can be a televised interview with someone like Gayle King or Joy Reid etc. If he doesn't get ahead of it, it's going to keep coming up again and again.

It's the same way Elizabeth Warren handled the Native American situation only she issued an apology which was broadcast on every major news network and the majority of people finally stopped harping on it.

Some right-wingers are pushing the sexual assault story, and other right-wingers appear to doubt it.

[quote] The Medium article (about the alleged assault) began to gain attention on social media after it was pushed by fringe right-wing sites BigLeaguePolitics and Gateway Pundit, which is known for sharing unverified conspiracy theories and fake stories. Other questionable right-wing Twitter personalities, like David Wohl, whose son, Jacob Wohl, orchestrated a fake sexual assault accusation against Robert Mueller, have also been tweeting about the allegations.

[quote] Wohl and BigLeaguePolitics tweeted, “Uh oh: BREAKING: Media Darling Buttigieg Accused of Sexual Assault.”

(The above quote was referenced in r414.)

[quote] But other right-leaning websites, like Twitchy, have expressed skepticism. Twitch wrote, “Does something seem off about this ‘very serious accusation’ of sexual assault against Pete Buttigieg?”

Because people like Congressman Lewis distort his civil rights record to suit their own agendas. I respect the hell out of the man but he did this when Hillary was running against Bernie. Said he was a fraud and was never a member of the civil rights movement because he never saw him at any protests. And then there was the photo on Bernie’s website of him at the student sit-in that he helped organize at the University of Chicago. Jonathan Capehart claimed it was someone else and Bernie was pulling a fast one and when the accusation was proved false Capehart never retracted his story or apologized. So this is why part of the reason he gets no traction in the south even though his surrogates are a much more diverse group.

That weasel Jacob Wohl

I love that mayor Pete is standing against this so strongly and resolutely

Did Pete even address it?

Mayor Pete is a racist, a rapist and he has no chin? It's not like he really had a chance anyway.

Yes, R457—from the Daily Beast article:

[quote]Asked about the allegation on Monday, Buttigieg called it made up. “It's not going to throw us,” he said. “Politics can be ugly sometimes but you have to face that when you're in presidential politics.”

Tune in on Comedy Central tonight!

Any sexual misconduct allegation against Pete is 100% fake news. Pete was a virgin when he and Chasten met, and they are now monogamous.

Lol..he wasn't a virgin, R461, but he's also definitely not a rapist.

Pete’s alleged lack of black support will be made up by his support from white people especially white men since black people don’t fucking vote.

black people vote.

"I woke up at 11am and spent my whole day saying I did not want this to happen," he says. "My sister and her armed husband came and got me."

Wait, why are Jack Burkman and Jacob Wohl sleeping with gay Republican college students?

In California black people voted in droves in 2008 when Obama was first running for President. Just that increase in black votes in California made the difference in passing Proposition 8 that blocked same-sex marriages. By and large, black church people are not always friendly to gays. You’d think they would be sensitive to civil rights struggles, but that didn’t seem to matter. I guess it’s a “we got ours, now you get yours” kind of thing.

r463 black people voting are ones that usually get dems elected especially in swing states and close elections. Fuck outta here with that.

r466 Ah yes the "blacks are not gays friends" rhetoric. And I know some white gays that reference that to affirm their preferences and pretty much be racist as fuck. So this is not ok. Will I acknowledge homophobia in the black community? yes. Has attitudes gotten better? Yes they have. And the black gays continue to fight for their visibility among their black community and gay community. Also yes I dislike black gay that trash the black community and praise the gay one. Then chase white boys.

Let's not start this bullshit R463.

20% of Democratic voters are black and yes they are important.

Thinking they're not will lose you the election.

Out of eligible voters:

48% of Latinos voted last election. 59% percent of African Americans voted last election. 69% percent of white people voted last election.

And this is ignoring the fact that the census breaks Hispanic and Non-Hispanic black people into two separate categories.

[quote]By and large, black church people are not always friendly to gays. You’d think they would be sensitive to civil rights struggles, but that didn’t seem to matter. I guess it’s a “we got ours, now you get yours” kind of thing.

You'd think you'd know better than to turn to hatred to explain these things.

By and large white church people are not always friendly to gays.

Or maybe just (some) "church people" aren't friendly to gays.

Guess what? That knows no racial bounds! A homophobic church goer white or black just doesn't like gays, period!

You'd think you would realize that there are gay black people out there and gay latino people out there and that being gay is something that crosses races and sexes. When Pete is making appeals to religious people in the south he's not just talking to the white ones!

I’m not racist, but I’m a gay Californian and I was here then and I know what happened. I know certain apologists tried to make a counter argument that the black vote didn’t pass Prop 8. But in a normal black turn-out year Prop 8 would not have passed. That’s clear from the numbers and it was reported that way at the time. We’re more than ten years past this now and I hope attitudes have evolved in a better direction. All Democrats and others who love our country need to work together to replace the Asshole POTUS IN 2020.

More than 90% of black women voters, voted for Hillary Clinton. You probably already know the rest....

R467 the blacks must’ve forgotten about Hillary in 2016.

R468 black women vote. Where’s the rest of them?

Black men did not vote for Hillary and some voted Trump.

R472 Black men are in jail or prison largely.

Pete sucking up to Al Sharpton at Sylvia’s was pathetic. Reparations is not a winning 2020 issue.

r472 compared the the black men who voted for Obama.

oops, ^^^r474

R475, Pete does not support reparations.

I never hear white gays blame the white community for their lack of civil rights. If you don't have rights, it's the vast majority of white people who are keeping those rights from you. Americans only think religious people are homophobic when there are several non-religious societies that are very homophobic.

Pathetic that some old white men of DL must frame even Mayor Pete's failure to launch as a race issue.

Give it a rest gramps. You'd still have blacks at separate water fountains if you ruled. White men, all old white men, are at heart racist and conservative. Ancient white gay men have to vote differently to protect free access to their back hole.

From r480.

Latino men & latino women??

Who made that chart?

Black people overwhelmingly vote Democrat, specifically Hillary Clinton in 2016. Even religious black people. But 78% of white evangelical protestants voted for Trump. They represent one in five of all voters. Of course the majority of both white men and women voted for Donald. 88% percent of Trump voters are white. 60% for Clinton. Got it? Right.

[quote]But, as First Lady, um Gentleman, I don't think he has the class.

Oh, you're absolutely right,

[quote]I never hear white gays blame the white community for their lack of civil rights.

Because I don't give a fuck who gets in the way of them, only that I get them. Blame accomplishes nothing. Maybe it makes you feel good but it's just complaining by another name.

Lies and more lies, all about voting. That’s the true sign of a troll

Russian trolls attack voting

Did anyone see Pete on the Daily Show last night? Good interview.

Full interview is linked below:

It was a good interview.

But he's given that same interview multiple times...

I like it a lot

More polls coming out (CNN and Morning Consult) showing Pete is really not connecting with black voters. Are there any more black people he can do photo ops with?

He’s really not connecting with black voters because there’s tons of people on social media, claiming to be black, who say he’s a racist and they hate him.

This is not based on any reality, but I guess if you’re a Russian, a Republican, brainless, or just hate white people, random people on the internet making up shit is good enough.

This really makes me angry, because people are doing a hatchet job on Pete, and idiots blindly believing them and passing it on isn’t going to end with Pete.

Next thing you know, Republican women are going to come out of the woodwork saying Biden raped them or went around lynching people in his spare time as a youth. When these people aren’t decisively shut down, they get encouragement and go even farther.

People need to hit back and they need to be reported and exposed. And the people who just love lies and propaganda about other people’s candidates, need to take it down and quit going along with it and promoting it. That’s how the Russians worked last time. Throw it out there, some dummy will pick it up. Pete is not the last person they're going to do that to.

[quote] This is not based on any reality, but I guess if you’re a Russian, a Republican, brainless, or just hate white people, random people on the internet making up shit is good enough.

Ok, so since you're saying he has low support with black people because of fake social media accounts. You then say that people with the above characteristics would be swayed by fake social media. Therefore, you're saying that the black voters who don't support Pete either hate white people, are brainless, or are Republicans?

he's a star

He's a phony, and it shows.

R;92, no, I’m saying there are some dumb sheep that are easily led by these fake accounts. People take this stuff on board and pass it to the next person like a game of telephone.

Then the message isn’t coming from Ivan Shit-Stirrer, it’s coming from your neighbor. Then you have people in the black community who read the neighbor says this, or an admired black entertainer (or Susan Sarandon) that is also a political idiot picks it up, and they think, my idol X says Pete is a racist, and I love X so it must be true.

Now you have people from the top to the bottom of the black community mindlessly parroting this shit. And for some black people, if another black person says it, it’s true. Don’t tell me any facts, X says so and that’s it. The end.

Don’t believe me, open twitter some time. God knows what’s on Facebook, it’s probably even worse.

It was also found that that there were millions of Facebook posts in 2016 of Russians with fake black avatars doing this exact thing. So don’t shoot the messenger.

I have a feeling that Chastain would join the group of First Spouses that have never shown their tits.

To be fair, R486, that’s all of them but one.

Pete releases 10 years of tax returns on his website.

Sorry, that’s for R497^^

Politico's summary of his tax returns

[quote] Buttigieg's tax returns show that he has made six-figure salaries in recent years, but they place him among the least wealthy Democrats running for president in 2020. In 2018, Buttigieg and his husband, Chasten Buttigieg, a teacher, earned just over $152,000. The pair paid about $20,000 in federal taxes — an effective tax rate of 13.2 percent, the documents show.

[quote] Buttigieg received a $30,000 advance for his book, "Shortest Way Home," in 2017.

$30k advance for a book by an unknown mayor?? Must be nice.

He’s a gay vet mayor in the Midwest. That alone is a compelling story.

Gay veterans are everywhere, and he's the mayor of the fourth largest city in Indiana.. not very compelling actually.

His run for potus is what makes him interesting.

This just came out. Fox News polls, ironically, tend to be pretty accurate because they take large sample. This one has an unusually large margin of error, 4.7%. But:

It’s not a Fox News poll. It’s a Suffolk University/Boston Globe poll.

Here is the aftershow on The Daily Show with Mayor Pete.

Thanks R507. I couldn't get it to load via twitter so I watched it on youtube. It was cute when he was practicing is clapping at the end with Trevor after the interview.

R494, you’re a troll, and it shows

R501, fascinating as the DL predicted as such

I can’t believe r494 would call buttigieg a fake if she watched r507

And it is funny how Trevor said that Pete needs to stay on the beat when he visits Black Churches.

Has he ever watched him in concert on the piano?

Pete's musical and language skills are much exaggerated. It's amazing how gushy pussy some old white gays get over a rat face homely dude in tiny boots. A president should be educated and accomplished. Duh. Obama was a fucking STAR. In every way. To some he was sexy. Still is.

Thanks for your, um, insight, r513, and for enriching our discussion.

I blocked R513 and R494 a while ago, and it looks like for good reason.

You're welcome R514! It's cute the way you tried to insert UM into your tweet. Older people never can get that right. But cute. Thanks.

r515, Me2.

R513, hum he can keep on a beat though. That was the comment, that he was being modest about clapping on the beat in black churches is disarmingly funny, you sound like a shrill scold.

R518. Ain't nothing bout me shrill. I scold if time permits and my hand is busy. A man is a man. Pete sets some dull white man beat, I guess. Home schooled pianists are not known for leading the percussion. Why digress? Pete's not a musician or linguist. He's accomplished enough to run for a congressional seat. His hidden talents are nothing to gush your pussy over. He's not the top in his or any relationship. True of many men who seek political power. Let's keep it real gramps. It's kind of sad how invalidated so many old white gays feel. Period. Like you haven't been granted enough reparations. Always feeling sorry for yourselves. You choose this mediocre piece of cheese face Buttgeiger as your political hero? White folk are so lacking in culture to sustain them. Bless you.

you're a cunt actually, fuck off, troll

[quote] Pete's not a musician or linguist.

he's an experienced performer, and practiced musician, but it's not his profession. no one every claimed he was a linguist. you make up shit for living, I take it?

[quote]Always feeling sorry for yourselves.

you're the sorry assed troll, Blocked and reported

R519 has posted over twenty times on a thread about someone he dislikes.

So much more peaceful when you block it, R523.

Thank jesus you reported him before he makes you look more foolish and weak gramps! I'm blocked so you won't have to see this. I can count too buddy. You addressed me first, R518, so I responded to you. Your language has become progressively hateful - but so are many of your other posts. Where's the lie? You have over 30 posts on this thread. (and counting) You're too old to lust after a rodent dick but that's your right gramps. You earned it at stonewall. I saw the movie. Don't have an aneurysm over my feelings. Go on and "report" me. Y'all gave us a smile here. Thanks for inventing poppers and fisting dad.

R476 we’re way past 2008 and 2012.

Blocked. Thread is a lot shorter now, and a lot more peaceful. I like.

I agree, silly cunts

R519 is probably not black as it alludes to being. It certainly is angry though, and seems to want so desperately to be seen as intelligent and youthful. Perhaps in another life...

sounds like a shitty script

I apologize to the others, but the weird thing about trolls like r525 is that she hasn’t posted on other threads, only this one, despite disliking the subject matter.

Gay psychopaths like R529 and R531 try to depersonalize other men, by referring them as 'it' or 'she'. It's the same poster of course. A very old diseased queen like that Miss Warwick monster? Still I'm pretty sure THAT ancient white racist from Missouri is banned from this site.

Cheers to all fine men of good will. Pete is harmless. Also insignificant as a presidential candidate. Don't @ me. Who alludes to being black? Imma black gay man - you crazy ass old queer.

Will no one talk about his stance on vaccination? I thought this could be his equivalent to Sander's prisoner's voting rights. He says he's in favor of religious exemption on vaccination. He apparently already changed his mind, but what was he thinking?

I’m not sure that’s what he said. A spokesman said something like that, but they backtracked and said that’s not what he meant.

The retraction said a certain number of states did allow religious exemptions, and vaccinations at this time are regulated by the states. They’re now saying he was referring to existing law.

So I don’t know if he was misquoted or they backtracked on policy. People were furious, with good reason.

R533, the context of the quot dis important, but I’m glad to see him change his mind

yuck, bad spelling, sorry

"No matter the outcome of @TheDemocrats primary, Mayor @PeteButtigieg has already won for what he’s done for young #LGBTQ people across America. They’re now standing up a little taller and their dreams are a little bigger. #loveislove @TIME"

Eeek, was there not a better photo TIME could use?

They look like cousins forced to pose for a picture at family reunion.

Don't think he changed his mind, he clarified his position for the rabid anti-anti-vaxers.

[quote] they’re now standing up a little taller and their dreams are a little bigger. #loveislove @TIME"

wow that's not even close to reporting. That's a cheerleader's love letter.

Time has done this every time

R540 is why we're where we are as a country.

Is Anthony Scaramucci reporting in that tweet?

Love is happening

No, he’s just commenting on the article. And recommending it I think.

He got a lot of nice responses back.

Here’s the actual article. It’s thoughtfully done. There’s a video article in the body that is background on Pete and Chasten. They both seem very subdued and intimidated. Pete seems really tense compared to how he usually is. Probably nerves. It’s not every day you’re interviewed by Time magazine for a cover story. But he’s very thoughtful as usual.

They also show the house, which is beautifully restored.

I saw this today. It’s Mayor Pete encouraging citizens of South Bend to get a flu shot. November 1, 2018.

I'd like to see Mayor Pete comment on this:

Nearly every insane leader in the past three hundred years has been convicted of this too. I’d rather that mayor Pete focus on his campaign.

WaPo did a profile of Chasten today... not the best photo... I didn't realize he's only 29... and not a Patsy Stone 29.

I think.

Anyway, Pete likes 'em young...

Yeah, I guess Pete hooked up with him when Chasten was 25 (probably pre-premature balding).

R549, I like the photo

On my screen the shirt looks as though it had some unfortunate problem in the laundry with yellowing, but Chas himself looks fine.

[quote]Don't think he changed his mind, he clarified his position for the rabid anti-anti-vaxers.

There is no such thing as rabid anti-anti vaxers. Those are called sane people. Stop with the love fest. Pete said that there could be religious exceptions until there are outbreaks and it has an effect on herd immunity. Problem is that it's those exceptions that cause the outbreaks due to the breakdown of herd immunity. He said something stupid. Live with it. So sick of apologist fanboys.

The rabid Anti-antivaxers fancy themselves as true fact based scientists but are oblivious to societal norms and the Bill of Rights.

You don't have to be a fanboi to find them as ridiculous as the anti-vaxers in their extremity.

You're a fucking idiot, R554.

And you are both sad and unfortunate, r555

Go away, you two. Weird that this thread has been riven with crazy trolls all the way through

Should tell you something, R557, about what's going on with the Pete fan club but you're part of it so you can't see it. He needed supporters, instead he got fanboys. They don't help serious candidates. They make their support look soft and foolish. But, you and the weirdo going on about anti-anti-vaxers keep it up. Pete needs to be vetted hard if he's going to go anywhere and having worshippers who have a crush on him as his base isn't going to work.

Pete has very good communicator who is one of the most open and honest out person in the news. It's refreshing. What he had done in a month is amazing there is no denying it. We have a year and a half to see how he navigates on the road to the Whitehouse. He deserves much credit.

Pete is revolutionary as he does not have hundreds of pages of policies that nobody reads but a video catalogue of positions.

Brilliant. Pick an issue, check out the video.

So Millennial.

The other candidates have videos of their positions too. They're called interviews.

[quote]In the interview, Chasten made a very carefully edited vague comment about his family telling him it was time to leave, or something like that. Then there was a line about couch surfing at friends [bold]From that, I extrapolated that it was a lot more dramatic than what he was saying[/bold]

R267, in other words you fabricated that scenario and went after posters because they did believe such story. You’re a piece of shit.

Not a searchable video catalogue.

Sorry r56, nice try.

R562, read Chasten’s Washington Post interview of May 1. He did talk about it.

“Chasten told his family last. Scared he wouldn’t keep his nerve to say the words out loud, he sat his parents down in the living room and passed them a letter. “I remember my mom crying,” he says, “and the first thing she asked me was if I was sick. I think she meant, like, did I have AIDS?”

“A stalemate took hold of the house. There was a lot of silence, Chasten says, but he remembers hearing one of his brothers utter, “No brother of mine …”

“Chasten packed his bags. “I felt like I just could not be there,” he says. “So, I left.”

[...] “Those were the kind of voices Chasten had been trying to escape the day he left home. He brought his bags to a friend’s apartment, then bounced around on people’s couches, trying not to wear out his welcome. Sometimes he slept in his car at the far edge of the parking lot of the community college where he was taking classes.

“After a few months, his phone rang while he was driving. The caller ID said “Mom.”

“She said, ‘Will you come home?’ ” Chasten says. “And I cried and I went home immediately.”

“The next conversation with his parents about his sexuality went better than the first, and Terry and Sherri embraced their son. Eventually, they would proudly walk him down the aisle at his wedding to another man.

“Reconciling with Rhyan and Dustin did not come so easily. “We never got over it,” the youngest Glezman brother says, crystal blue eyes cast toward the ground.

Rhyan Glezman, now the pastor of a Christian church in Clio, Mich., says Chasten’s coming out was not a surprise and that he still loves his youngest brother. “I want the best for him,” Rhyan says. “I just don’t support the gay lifestyle.”

Heartbreaking

a good read

R564 I hope Chasten gets tooa point where he doesn't need or want his pastor brother's approval. Who cares what he thinks? It's 2019, people!

I like that this comes out though, it’s a story that is fairly common

It’s sad that Chasten wants the approval of these people. He should pay them no mind and cut them out.

[quote] It’s sad that Chasten wants the approval of these people. He should pay them no mind and cut them out.

Where does Chasten say that he wants his brother's approval? I mean yes, he wanted his brother's approval when he came out. But it sounds to me like he's now moved past that and probably doesn't have any contact with his brother. The brother, on the other hand, seems to be obsessed with Pete and Chasten and wants to get attention for attacking them.

Indeed

I agree that Pastor Rhyan is just using the Buttigieg’s new found national fame to plug his church and increase his flock/cash.

Pity he has like 30 followers in Twitter!

Considering he’s got a whole congregation to follow him, it makes you wonder, doesn’t it.

R572, tant fucking piss

What will happen to the democratic party if we lose the presidential election in 2020? Will the party disband?

R574...

What??

We, huh, R575? I'm surprised you remembered to not write 'Democrat Party'.

More like, “Democratic Party, comrade.”

r576 Tant pis (pronounced ta(n) pee), is an everyday French idiomatic expression that literally means "so much worse." The phrase is often used as an exclamation that ranges from the mild "oh well" to the rude "tough," depending on how you articulate it in conversation.

Thank you

Democratic feminists are strongly pushing for a woman candidate for 2020. They had their chance for a woman last time but support for that was weaker even with a highly qualified candidate. The time for a woman will no doubt come around again, but in 2020 it’s crucial that Democrats choose the strongest candidate possible to unseat our current loathsome POTUS. Who that is may be uncertain right now. The first primaries and caucuses are still about a year away, so it’s still early to narrow the field.

very exciting and fraught

𝐁𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐞𝐠 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐣𝐨𝐫 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐨 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐟𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐞𝐚𝐦, 𝐚𝐧 𝐍𝐁𝐂 𝐍𝐞𝐰𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐚𝐥𝐲𝐬𝐢𝐬 𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐝.

For a campaign that took off like a comet, and as one of the TRUE DC outsiders running for President, cut him some slack.

In the article, they sat they are working on moving from a medical stipend to a multi state health plan.

Your headline is misleading NBC and r584.

That’s because he has less than 50 employees and isn’t legally obligated to do so.

Instead, he offers them $400 a month’s to buy insurance on the Obamacare exchange. When they get to 50 employees apparently it’s more affordable at the group rate or something.

I’d be happy to have a woman President, I just don’t think any of *these* women is tough enough to deal with hostile actors at foreign policy. They seem too academic to me.

Hillary could have done it, because of her previous experience as SoS. And she’s a hardass from dealing with Bill and everything he dished out.

I'd love to have a fierce lesbian President, r587.

But I will settle for a brilliant, married, Rhodes Scholar, Harvard graduate, polyglot.

Pete all the way.

I think Warren and Harris are both tough and qualified. Right now I think a lot of people want to go with proven and familiar...Biden.

Klobuchar has all the grit of a poorly made Minnesota Hot Dish.

Tater-tots could not save her.

I'd say Kamala Harris has definitely the chops to handle any type of opponent. She also has the smarts and the charisma to do the job. As of now Mayor Pete will get my vote for just one reason: He seems to have a vision for his presidency and very specific concepts on issues that are important to me. Harris is not that well rounded on as many topics as Buttigieg is. He also is the only one from the entire group who gets me the feeling that Trump is finally old news, and someone is ready to move forward. Everybody else is still too focused on Trump.

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He's a Bernie-bro, r592.

#PeteForAmerica Vote for pete bitches. If Pete wins you all get one kiss from me.

I am 27 year old. 6ft tall and firmly built.

If he doesnt win , you will see me go unhinged

Harris seems to attract the "fierce black diva" fans, or those who are quaking in fear that blacks will only vote for a black candidate. Non-black voters in states like Florida do NOT want to have "conversations about reparations."

Let's hope she can't sing or the place may die

I still feel he’s the best candidate

He's pretty hot 🙊

Probably Trump. The military is so full of hate-filled bigots, they won’t care if Pete served. They’ll just assume having a four-year-long Klan rally in the White House is better than anything Pete could ever do.

I’m so sick of people that refuse to think about anything but themselves. The U.S. is going to turn into Northern Ireland at its worst if someone doesn’t stop all this extreme tribalism.

The Fake President said he got 10% raises for people in the military, the first raise they'd had in 10 years.

Soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines know they've been getting 1-2% raises every year for as long as they've been serving. They know he's using them, and he's not honorable.