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Former NFL player Michael Sam says the LGBT community used him as a poster boy and then abandoned him

Former St. Louis Rams and Dallas Cowboys defensive end Michael Sam reflected on the aftermath of his football career in a recent interview with Flinder Boyd of Yahoo Sports.

Sam, who became the first openly gay player in the NFL when the Rams took him in the 2014 , said "no one would give me a job" after his brief NFL career ended. He added, "Where was the support that I got for coming out? I felt like I was used by everyone."

The Rams released Sam prior to the start of the 2014 regular season, and while he caught on with the Cowboys as a member of their practice squad, he never played in a regular-season NFL game. In the fall of 2016, back in Dallas, he was a broken man. He became increasingly depressed and drank more. He stayed with Cammisano for a while but by then he had given up any hope of rekindling the relationship. He moved into a one-bedroom apartment and “brought the L.A. lifestyle” with him.

He reached out to organizations and companies in sports and the LGBT community but “no one would give me a job,” he says. “Where was the support that I got for coming out? I felt like I was used by everyone.”

He’d party at night, wake up and go to the gym, then sit alone in his apartment, doing lines of cocaine.

“I felt lost and worthless,” he says.

This went on for months.

In February of last year, at a Mardi Gras festival in St. Louis, some friends noticed he was struggling. One friend mentioned that he’d heard an ayahuasca retreat to the Peruvian Amazon could be life changing.

Sam knew almost nothing about ayahuasca but found online it was an extract with hallucinogenic properties mixed into tea used by ancient Amazonian tribes. Although in the western world it’s sometimes characterized as a fringe drug favored by hippies and new-age herbalists, it has recently become more popular with some mainstream neuroscientists as a way to break down emotional barriers and treat PTSD.

During these retreats strangers come together seeking some authentic truth about themselves that might be revealed while in their hallucinogenic states. The tea is administered under the direction of a shaman, and reactions are varied. Some report violent physical and emotional pain — nausea, vomiting and diarrhea — and mind-altering states. One man wrote he descended into a place where he was “watching a movie of every mistake I’d ever made.”

During the second evening, Sam sipped the tea and went into a trance. He was told to let go and be vulnerable. “It was as if my soul left my body,” he says. He won’t talk much more about his experience other than he found himself in the fetal position crying uncontrollably.

A few weeks later, in the summer of 2018, he backpacked alone through Europe and had a realization: “I can’t do this alone.” On his return to Dallas, he stopped hard drugs, joined workout groups and learned to meditate. He moved into a new apartment and began the long, arduous process of forgiveness.

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by Anonymousreply 218June 27, 2021 5:15 AM

We don't know her.

by Anonymousreply 1April 20, 2019 2:34 AM

Thats what happens when youre a fame whore.

by Anonymousreply 2April 20, 2019 2:35 AM

I agree with him, and feel badly for him.

by Anonymousreply 3April 20, 2019 2:40 AM

Tiresome

by Anonymousreply 4April 20, 2019 2:41 AM

What, exactly, did he want gay people to do for him while he was a coked out, depressed drunk? Put him on tv as a representative of gay people? Don't most washed up football players become coaches in anything from peewee to high school to smaller colleges? Not good enough for him? He wanted stardom, not reality. Sorry, asshole, but I wish I had the money to backpack through Europe and travel to Peru to "find myself". What a piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 5April 20, 2019 2:41 AM

[quote]He reached out to organizations and companies in sports and the LGBT community but “no one would give me a job,” he says. “Where was the support that I got for coming out?"

What entitled him to a job? And doing what exactly?

He tried out for the big leagues and failed. It happens. Most people fail. You pick yourself up, rebuild and move on. Don't whine.

by Anonymousreply 6April 20, 2019 2:43 AM

LGBT is full of self loathing assholes. We are not family.

by Anonymousreply 7April 20, 2019 2:56 AM

what a mess and it all happened so fast. I was NOT a fan of his BF but sounds like they have remained friends. I don't know the details but the BF may have pressured him to come out to quick.

by Anonymousreply 8April 20, 2019 2:57 AM

He wasn't good enough for the NFL. He thought he was too good for anything else. End of story.

by Anonymousreply 9April 20, 2019 3:00 AM

Time to move onto the next cycle, ma'am

by Anonymousreply 10April 20, 2019 3:19 AM

I don’t understand he graduated from college, what was his career plan post football?

by Anonymousreply 11April 20, 2019 3:21 AM

Exactly what r9 said. I was a fan and wished the best for him, but he was all hype. It was more about him being the first openly gay NFL player. But he didn't measure up. Then he joined the CFL and... well, that didn't work out either. How was that the gay community's fault?

Another perpetual victim.

by Anonymousreply 12April 20, 2019 3:22 AM

He came out too soon and all the publicity and pressure proved to be understandably too much for him.

Make it in football, be good at it and established, and THEN come out.

He meant well of course but it was all too much for him at a young age when he was just starting to make it.

by Anonymousreply 13April 20, 2019 3:26 AM

What r13 said. Coming out before he had a chance to establish himself hurt himself irreparably. Even if it didn't, all the attention-grabbing behavior, like the cake-smushing kiss with his BF when he got drafted, only sabotaged his chances. If you're going to try and make it in one of the most homophobic industries in America, you have to play smart. You have to play politics. He handled the situation poorly and now he can only look back with regret.

I do think he broke some ground, but I think if he handled it differently he could've been thriving as a popular openly gay NFL player right now.

by Anonymousreply 14April 20, 2019 3:47 AM

The last I heard of him, he went back to school, and was going to get a regular job.

I disagree that the fame was too much for him to handle. What he couldn't handle was losing the attention and fame once he got a taste. I mean, why isn't he going after Oprah who made him her little project with a reality show. Why isn't he complaining that Oprah won't give him a job?

by Anonymousreply 15April 20, 2019 3:47 AM

Nah, r14, he was a good college player who proved that he couldn't keep up with NFL demands. Moved to the CFL, and failed there too.

by Anonymousreply 16April 20, 2019 3:53 AM

Sam was abandoned because he wasn't good enough. Lots of hot shot players in college don't cut it.

Look at Tim Tebow, on the other hand Michael Jordon was an unspectatacular college player, that didn't shine until the big time.

by Anonymousreply 17April 20, 2019 3:58 AM

I dunno. Saying he "wasn't good enough" seems like an easy way for the NFL to justify cutting him. I still think that a big part of the reason he got cut was that they felt he was a distraction, particularly after the whole kiss thing. As for the CFL, I was reading up on it and he actually left voluntarily due to "mental health" reasons -- not because of the quality of his play.

by Anonymousreply 18April 20, 2019 4:06 AM

Yeah, we wanted a winner not just someone out. It was history making but no one really benefited. He was an amazingly college player, no one denies that

by Anonymousreply 19April 20, 2019 4:08 AM

Moral of story: Don't come out when you're in the public eye and making good money.

by Anonymousreply 20April 20, 2019 4:21 AM

Wasn't he considered under-sized for the NFL?

by Anonymousreply 21April 20, 2019 4:21 AM

I can’t be too hard on him, and some of you are. Still, even though I feel a little bad for him, so many of his problems and wounds were self-inflicted.

The “he started doing cocaine” story never worked for me. Instead of networking in sports and entertainment, he did drugs and pitied himself. Was he content being front page only? I don’t blame the white bf at all. He actually sounds like he has his head on straight and got tired of Sam’s routine.

And then this trip overseas to do some more “therapy”? The article never explains where the money for this stuff came from or how he was earning money to live, period. We’re not clued in to any specifics about schooling or jobs or anything else. It’s a bunch of touchy-feels crap.

I hope the guy figures it out. Maybe he’ll have to live in obscurity like most of us. That’s hardly a bad thing.

by Anonymousreply 22April 20, 2019 4:22 AM

I find it funny everybody saying weed, ayahuasca, shrooms, etc will clear your mind and make you humble and self actualized. I actually find it makes you into an insufferable ignorant little douchebag whos stupid too realize what a jackass he sounds like! lookin at you Sammy boy(and Chelsea handler).

by Anonymousreply 23April 20, 2019 4:23 AM

Well, the practice squad makes 129k per year--so maybe he still had some cash left over. He was probably working as a personal trainer at the gym.

by Anonymousreply 24April 20, 2019 4:25 AM

Theres a lot of good college players whose college greatness dont translate to pro levels. WEHT Tebow, Manziel, Matt Leinart all overhyped but people knew early on they would not be good. The college game is different from the pros. Him being gay is a part of the reason why he couldnt find a team, but not the only one. If that “distraction” kaepernick cant find a team, when he is better and more experienced than the backup quarterbacks that some teams are starting, why would you think this guy will overcome that.

by Anonymousreply 25April 20, 2019 4:28 AM

I had an ex-girlfriend who was in national news (briefly) for some discrimination story many years ago. She wanted to springboard from that to becoming--I guess--a spokesperson or a media "personality," but she really didn't have the skills for that kind of a leap.

by Anonymousreply 26April 20, 2019 4:29 AM

I hear he works as a motivational speaker. He probably also gets paid to show up at random events due to his name recognition.

by Anonymousreply 27April 20, 2019 4:43 AM

He brought the "L.A. lifestyle" with him?

by Anonymousreply 28April 20, 2019 4:52 AM

I agree with R13 and R14. There are a lot of mediocre players in the NFL who aren't star players, but are dependable enough to keep around to fill in the gaps when needed. I'm sure Michael Sam could've easily filled a similar role.

But when he came out, the media attention leveled unrealistic expectations that he couldn't possibly live up to, and set him up for failure. That level of attention over coming out makes you a liability or a "distraction" in the eyes of a homophobic institution--unless you can back it up with overwhelming results and money to supersede that prejudice. I think if Michael established himself first and came out publicly (but quietly) later on after carving out a place for himself, I think he'd still be in the NFL--even as a second-tier player.

I give him props, however. Whether he got caught up in the fame and attention, he still took one for the team. He risked (and ultimately lost) his career by choosing to be open, and I think we should all have reverence for those that choose to take that risk. He probably did break some ground for someone else to come next. It is a shame that, as a community, we don't have a better support system for people who do lose their livelihoods when they come out, or some means to acknowledge and honor their sacrifice in our own community circles. Sometimes coming out comes at great cost, but nevertheless it's necessary to keep moving the needle toward more acceptance.

by Anonymousreply 29April 20, 2019 5:45 AM

Flinder?

Fuck kinda name is dat?

by Anonymousreply 30April 20, 2019 6:36 AM

So he's blaming the "LGBT community". I would say it was the media who allegedly chewed him up and spit him out, if anyone did.

by Anonymousreply 31April 20, 2019 6:39 AM

So does he have a job now?

He could sell cars - lotsa former athletes do that.

by Anonymousreply 32April 20, 2019 6:51 AM

He was short and small for his position. I think he’ll make a comeback at something...and let’s not judge a person’s success or relevance by Instagram or SM followers. Remember this guy below has 16 million followers for god knows why, Michele Obama has only12 m, and Sam has just 115 k. Not hating but our priorities are whack

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by Anonymousreply 33April 20, 2019 7:04 AM

He is still my hero!

by Anonymousreply 34April 20, 2019 7:09 AM

Can he try porn?

by Anonymousreply 35April 20, 2019 7:14 AM

I’m rooting for him! Maybe he can get into coaching

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by Anonymousreply 36April 20, 2019 7:19 AM

R23, you are very wrong. Scientist at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, NC State, and Stanford are currently doing follow-up trials on the effectiveness of psilocybin, the active alkaloid in magic mushrooms, in treating cancer recovery, PTSD, and childhood trauma, respectively.

While there might be a lot of unscientific practitioners out there, do not conflate flakes like Sam and Handler with actual scientists treating actual people.

by Anonymousreply 37April 20, 2019 7:28 AM

Oh wow

by Anonymousreply 38April 20, 2019 9:15 AM

WAHHHH! My 15 minutes are up. WAHHHH!

There's always the pole, Sam.

by Anonymousreply 39April 20, 2019 9:43 AM

So he hasn’t played football since 2014. What has he been doing with his time the past five years? Partying at night only takes up so much time. What does he do with the rest? And how did he make his money stretch five years? Was he eating instant ramen every day?

by Anonymousreply 40April 20, 2019 10:34 AM

I feel sorry for him. He had a rough childhood and it did take guts to do what he did.

by Anonymousreply 41April 20, 2019 10:50 AM

Totally agree with R13 and R14. He came out too soon. Should've established his career then come out. He was a rookie.

by Anonymousreply 42April 20, 2019 10:53 AM

[quote]LGBT is full of self loathing assholes. We are not family.

then maybe they shouldn't be so demanding about people coming out if they don't want to

by Anonymousreply 44April 20, 2019 12:04 PM

R8, if I am remembering correctly, him being gay was being widely talked about in football and he got ahead of it before it leaked by coming out. It impacted his football career tremendously, which is why most athletes stay closeted while playing.

It sounds like he has done a lot of growing up since then, and, to be fair, he was really young. Wish him well.

by Anonymousreply 45April 20, 2019 12:30 PM

[quote]I actually find it makes you into an insufferable ignorant little douchebag whos stupid too realize what a jackass he sounds like!

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 46April 20, 2019 1:09 PM

R45 his IG account shows he still has considerable degrowing up to do. But hey, he looks to be having a better time than stated in article. He likes the twinks and he provably wont age well. A big black, gay behemoth

by Anonymousreply 47April 20, 2019 1:13 PM

[quote]He reached out to organizations and companies in sports and the LGBT community but “no one would give me a job,” he says. “Where was the support that I got for coming out? I felt like I was used by everyone.”

This doesn’t make sense as the LGBT community is not just one person or one entity. It can’t as a whole give you a job or not give you a job. If one person had given him a job, would be then be praising the entire LGBT community for being so supportive of him?

by Anonymousreply 48April 20, 2019 1:14 PM

How exactly was the LGBT community supposed to have his back as he went into a career managed by notoriously heartless capitalists catering to the most reactionary elements of the straight white male demographic? There is no Velvet Mafia in the NFL.

by Anonymousreply 49April 20, 2019 1:17 PM

He made too big of a deal about being gay. He should have just casually mentioned he is gay during an interview, and then refused to talk more about it until he was settled into the NFL as a good player.

by Anonymousreply 50April 20, 2019 1:18 PM

From the article:

“You ever see a Super Bowl ring before?” Jones asked, before handing Sam one. “Hopefully we can bring one to Dallas this year.”

Sam’s eyes lit up. Was this the moment he’d be called up to the 53-man roster? Then, like a pick-six, the conversation took a swift turn.

“Well, sit down,” Jones said. “We're going to have to let you go.”

Good lord, Jerry, that was mean!

by Anonymousreply 51April 20, 2019 1:43 PM

Oh wow

by Anonymousreply 52April 20, 2019 1:44 PM

He’s gay and came out. He recognized that and were happy for him. Not sure what else we could have done. It was his celebrity seeking BF who used him

by Anonymousreply 53April 20, 2019 1:50 PM

He could have a job in gay porn tomorrow

by Anonymousreply 54April 20, 2019 1:51 PM

You don’t come out in team sports and make a big deal about being gay. You lightly come out and proceed to prove your sexuality is not a big deal and does not undermine the team dynamic. You make sure you are a superior athlete and an asset to your team.

by Anonymousreply 55April 20, 2019 1:54 PM

R53 correct.. Live by the twink, die by the twink

by Anonymousreply 56April 20, 2019 1:54 PM

R44, I agree! It’s best to stay hidden in the closet.

by Anonymousreply 57April 20, 2019 1:57 PM

He could come to my house. I won't abandon him. (Until he gets a restraining order, anyway.)

by Anonymousreply 58April 20, 2019 1:58 PM

Hey, Mikey:

Do you promise to go away forever if we offer you reparations?

by Anonymousreply 59April 20, 2019 2:17 PM

No one owes him anything.

by Anonymousreply 60April 20, 2019 2:20 PM

There is no such thing as lightly or casually coming out as a young player hoping to be drafted. All the uproar re: locker rooms, showers, etc, is about homophobia and $$$. Blame that, not the one who actually did what few have done.

I think it would have come out anyway given the rumors swirling, so trying to control the story was the best of bad options. His college team was supportive and no one leaked it, that says something.

It might have helped if he had any actual support system and if he had more realistic expectations. He thought it would not matter as much as it did, then it all spiraled.

What Jones did was extremely cruel.

It is obvious why most athletes stay closeted until the twilight of their careers, if they come out then.

by Anonymousreply 61April 20, 2019 2:24 PM

R61, several bi and gay college football players have come out to little or no fanfare. They went about their football business after coming out as if it were not a big deal.

by Anonymousreply 62April 20, 2019 2:33 PM

“ He thought it would not matter as much as it did, then it all spiraled.”

No, he actually and aggressively kept reminding the public and media that it did matter, with his constant media events focused on his gayness. He emphasized his gayness more than anyone else.

by Anonymousreply 63April 20, 2019 2:36 PM

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by Anonymousreply 64April 20, 2019 2:37 PM

R62, could you please name a few out college football players and where they were drafted?

How many out players are there in the NFL?

by Anonymousreply 65April 20, 2019 2:47 PM

It did not help but I do not think he really had a chance, given where he was in his career. Racism, homophobia, and $$$ are a lot to overcome.

Yeah, he was young and dumb and had a lot of people, including PR people and gay media trying to make a buck off of him. No one seemed too focused on the success of his football career.

by Anonymousreply 66April 20, 2019 2:50 PM

That kiss and cake was tacky and drama Queenish

by Anonymousreply 67April 20, 2019 2:57 PM

R67 ..and went viral and grossed everyone out.

by Anonymousreply 68April 20, 2019 2:58 PM

Had he bearded up he may have had a football career. We will never know.

by Anonymousreply 69April 20, 2019 3:02 PM

The funny thing is he was accepted and blended in as a gay player at Mizzou. He was going around drawing attention to his gay identity, and he was respected for being open but not making a big deal About it.

by Anonymousreply 70April 20, 2019 3:03 PM

who?

by Anonymousreply 71April 20, 2019 3:09 PM

He was great at being a celebrity and mediocre at football. He looked so good on dwts. I always hoped the best for him.

These spiritual jungle quests are strange to me. The only takeaway I got from his story was Michael Sam in a fetal position with projectile diarrhea. And where he the money to go.

At this point, he needs a corporate job in marketing or something. He will most likely deal with some degree of PTSD related to the fame he had and loved vs. his current fame. Yahoo Sports is indicative of where he is in the celebrity food chain.

by Anonymousreply 72April 20, 2019 3:18 PM

He was not openly gay except to the team in college. It was being gossiped about before the Combine. It was going to come out in the press and it was a huge negative in terms of him being drafted, both before it was publicly known and after.

by Anonymousreply 73April 20, 2019 3:20 PM

Being out to the team is what counts

by Anonymousreply 74April 20, 2019 3:22 PM

Maybe Sam needs to take it up with the straight black community who trashed him with the most vicious homophobia from day one

by Anonymousreply 75April 20, 2019 3:23 PM

I am Black and heavily into sports, and I Didn’t see much trashing from black people when he came out. As time went on, I saw people from all over sayin they were tired of him and media playing up the gay angle and wanted him to just focus on playing football.

by Anonymousreply 76April 20, 2019 3:25 PM

If black people showed him even 1/5 of the support they showed Collin Kaepernck he'd have a job. He's mad with the wrong community.

by Anonymousreply 77April 20, 2019 3:32 PM

He could pay a couple of guys to "beat him up" and claim it was a hate crime.....works every time.....

by Anonymousreply 78April 20, 2019 3:33 PM

He focused on his gayness instead of football

by Anonymousreply 79April 20, 2019 3:40 PM

Good thread. I just wish to hell he'd do a nude spread somewhere? He's a beautiful man with a beautiful body and he ought to share it.

by Anonymousreply 80April 20, 2019 3:42 PM

6th round picks are supposed to get famous by making their teams and making the Super Bowl, not by spending training camp live-tweeting.

by Anonymousreply 81April 20, 2019 3:48 PM

[quote]at a Mardi Gras festival in St. Louis, some friends noticed he was struggling. One friend mentioned that he’d heard an ayahuasca retreat to the Peruvian Amazon could be life changing.

“You have a problem with drugs? I know what could fix it! More drugs!”

by Anonymousreply 82April 20, 2019 4:08 PM

The article says he was ridiculed in the black community for dating a white guy

by Anonymousreply 83April 20, 2019 4:10 PM

You’re. a dead wrong homophobe, r13.

Lying to your buddies and colleagues is ALWAYS a bad idea that will not only eat your soul but give them ammunition.

Football players should come out in high school — no differently than straights — without misleading anyone.

Then, they should make everyone eat shit who holds it against them.

Once you lie to your colleagues and then come out, they’ll never trust you again. They’ll feel betrayed, doubt you and disrespect you after that.

You want to partake in a macho sport? Then grow some balls.

by Anonymousreply 84April 20, 2019 4:18 PM

All you people saying “ he shouldn’t have come out until he won a Super Bowl” are TYPICAL, HOMOPHOBIC, SQUARE PUSSIES like the dullards who overvalue football en masse in the first place.

So terrified of the bigots or being different in ways that don’t matter. Ashamed of yourselves and catering to utter, ignorant asswipes.

When, exactly, would be the right moment in an athlete’s career to announce he’s a fraud? That he’s been using and defrauding all his colleaugues and fans?

NEVER!

There’s no progress when you little pussies keep respecting the unrespectable.

It’s better to take the game away from the haters, compete with them or be shut out by their own bigorty than to be untrue to yourself or defraud others.

Respect works differently than bigot pleasing.

by Anonymousreply 85April 20, 2019 4:42 PM

[quote]Football players should come out in high school — no differently than straights —

Since when do straights have to come out?!

by Anonymousreply 86April 20, 2019 4:43 PM

He was whipped by that pretty Italian twink. Its unfortunate that he was young and made some poor decisions because of some disposable bussy.

by Anonymousreply 87April 20, 2019 4:53 PM

He was way to flamboyant with his sexuality and flaunting it the way he did. And that kiss!

He was doing way to much when he first came on the scene. And then the boyfriend was a whole nother issue.

He did it to himself. He should've been way more discreet about his sexuality instead of displaying it the way he did. He definitely overplayed his sexuality/hand.

by Anonymousreply 88April 20, 2019 5:01 PM

That Dago twink with links to the porno industry didn’t help his image. And no one forced him to kiss the asses of the gay A-listers. That was on him. It was an unfortunate combination of that wop and his need for the spotlight. All his own doing.

by Anonymousreply 89April 20, 2019 5:07 PM

He was annoying in coming out, instead of just announcing it and moving on to focus on football. Everything was “gay gay gay” for him, and football and the public became annoyed

by Anonymousreply 90April 20, 2019 5:09 PM

He undermined the attempts of advocates to portray gay athletes as nondisruptive to team sports and not being a distraction. He welcomed and perpetuate the focus on his sexuality, which separated him From meshing with other football players. He didn’t try to blend in; he wanted to be special.

by Anonymousreply 91April 20, 2019 5:13 PM

Oh please r75, he courted the white gays from day 1 and you all dumped him. Black folks didnt care that much.

by Anonymousreply 92April 20, 2019 5:37 PM

Exactly. Black People were like, “whatever, just be a good football player.”

by Anonymousreply 93April 20, 2019 5:43 PM

I agree with others, he was not owed a job by “the LGBT community”. But if this story had been about a white player with his level of looks (he is a very attractive man) he would still be booming covers, stories, and industry invites from A-list gays.

He is better than me for not saying it, but being black and openly gay was not bankable. Even the Cock Gobbler is getting money (from somewhere) and living it up as a former homophobic legislature, so his frustration is justified. Teobow has the Christian thing to hold him over and a decent career in baseball.

It’s obvious that he has mental and emotional issues. I remember during the terrible kiss saga they mentioned that he didnt have much family support. His coachs that where his guidennce. Once he graduated he left their orbit, so this emotitionally unstable young man was out against the world. Glad he is moving on, most player don’t make it to the NFL, this is why the NCAA insists on the education part of the student athlete equation. He didn’t seem to take educational part of the athletic scholarship seriously at the time, but he’s making positive changes today.

I wish him the best.

by Anonymousreply 94April 20, 2019 5:53 PM

[quote]If black people showed him even 1/5 of the support they showed Collin Kaepernck he'd have a job. He's mad with the wrog community.

Um...if Michael Sam had shown the Black community ⅕ of the support that Colin Kaepernick has...he would’ve received more support. He only has himself to blame. But I guess you were in such a hurry to blame the Blacks that you missed the part where he sucked as a football player--so he STILL wouldn’t have a job, stupid. You tried it tho.

by Anonymousreply 95April 20, 2019 6:03 PM

R77 When you don't embrace your blackness, your community or your own people. Black people are not going to support you like that. And that white boyfriend didn't help sam either.

He was way to damn white washed for a lot of black people. Being gay is one thing. But being white washed doesn't go over well in black America.

A huge chunk of black America is very tribal. Just like any other ethnic group.

by Anonymousreply 96April 20, 2019 6:08 PM

El jibbity is anti-gay, that’s why they didn’t support him. They don’t support gays; it’s all T all the time.

by Anonymousreply 97April 20, 2019 6:16 PM

Oh stfu r75 with your false narrative of a "homophobic black straight culture". Plenty of very famous straight black men were behind him 100%. I've never understood how people come up with these sweeping generalizations.

And enough with this false perception of any type of "community", no such thing. The "gay community" wasn't supportive of me when I came out because I didn't fit their narrow, preconceived notion of what "being gay" was. It was a good lesson at least.

by Anonymousreply 98April 20, 2019 6:16 PM

Thank you r98

by Anonymousreply 99April 20, 2019 6:17 PM

R96 I noticed all black celebs and athletes are dating white girls or light skinned girls. I'm a fan of the NBA and NFL and I follow several athletes' Instagrams. If you go far back to the pics before they were famous, many had dark girlfriends. The moment they make it big, they dump them.. and boom..all IG posts are of white or biracial girls in bikinis showing off large asses

by Anonymousreply 100April 20, 2019 6:17 PM

El-jibbity is anti-gay. They hate gays and love trannies. They are users and bigots. Don’t come to them for anything but help with choosing a scalpel to cut your dick off with.

by Anonymousreply 101April 20, 2019 6:18 PM

Agree r96 he was willing to risk it all, on live TV, for his white boyfriend. That’s fine, but this is the result.

To other posters can we stop trying to paint the black community as some other. Straight Americans from across the country were uncomfortable with that kiss. He was becoming a distraction from the sport.

by Anonymousreply 102April 20, 2019 6:26 PM

If you're gay you have to stop handing your sexuality over to the LGBT community. Just live your life. Gay people are the only people who have turned their sexuality into a full blown industry. Don't make a big deal out of it. Just live your life instead of putting your sexuality on a pedestal for everyone to ridicule.

I just live my life. I've never considered myself apart of the LGBT community. I just live life.

by Anonymousreply 103April 20, 2019 6:27 PM

[quote]Straight Americans from across the country were uncomfortable with that kiss.

Fuck, some gay ones were, too!

by Anonymousreply 104April 20, 2019 6:29 PM

Yep, the key is to matter of factly acknowledge you date the same sex but to immediately move on to blend with your peers and mainstream, the team.

by Anonymousreply 105April 20, 2019 6:33 PM

Very true R102.

by Anonymousreply 106April 20, 2019 6:33 PM

I know someone who works with the CFL and he said Sam just couldn't understand the Canadian rules football. They worked with him nonstop to get him used to our version of the game and he just didn't want to adapt; he wanted to keep playing an American rules game. TPTB genuinely believed he had it in him to be a very good player but in the end he just couldn't change his American college play style to suit a Canadian team.

by Anonymousreply 107April 20, 2019 6:34 PM

R105 That's the way to go. Its always worked for me.

by Anonymousreply 108April 20, 2019 6:41 PM

He should just say he's now a woman. He doesn't even have to change anything. Just say it. He and Bruce can hang. Then, he can take up basketball and date a Kardashian. Boom, fame central. He's just not imaginative enough.

by Anonymousreply 109April 20, 2019 6:42 PM

[quote]Then, he can take up basketball and date a Kardashian.

or better yet, Blake Griffin.

by Anonymousreply 110April 20, 2019 7:49 PM

NFL prefers violent abusers to men who believe in fighting injustice.

by Anonymousreply 111April 20, 2019 8:18 PM

[quote] Gay people are the only people who have turned their sexuality into a full blown industry.

The industry of straight sexuality is already ingrained into society. That's why you have chicks in swimsuits walking around with a square piece of cardboard during a boxing match or "bunny girls" in a casino... or cheerleaders being skanky on a football field during half-time. I'm pretty sure that sexuality in general is a full blown industry and it isn't exclusive to gay people--and when you mention gay people, you of course mean gay men.

by Anonymousreply 112April 20, 2019 8:27 PM

[quote]But lets blame gay people i.e. gay men for something else because it's easy.

AMEN!!!

by Anonymousreply 113April 20, 2019 8:27 PM

So, R103 - is it true you just live your life?

by Anonymousreply 114April 20, 2019 8:35 PM

[quote]If black people showed him even 1/5 of the support they showed Collin Kaepernck he'd have a job. He's mad with the wrog[sic] community.

No doubt you never point out your anger with the white community for almost allowing a pedo homophobe like Roy Moore into the Senate. Really, who in the fuck are you kidding? People like you constantly take a "meh" approach to the overwhelmingly white people who push anti-gay legislation and instead, pick on an easier target.

by Anonymousreply 115April 20, 2019 8:36 PM

We devour our own. Pass the salt.

by Anonymousreply 116April 20, 2019 9:09 PM

R114 I stressed it so thick heads like you would understand and comprehend where I was coming from.

by Anonymousreply 117April 20, 2019 9:39 PM

[quote] We devour our own. Pass the salt.

[quote] —THE GAYS

What R116 is really saying:

We infiltrate internet forums and try to divide and conquer by posing as people we're not. We create conflict through shit stirring. Pass the potato so I can have my bite.

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by Anonymousreply 118April 21, 2019 2:34 AM

R115 doesn’t remember Prop 8 in CA or Amendment One in NC.

by Anonymousreply 119April 21, 2019 2:54 AM

R118 is proof of white gay gentile xenophobia.

by Anonymousreply 120April 21, 2019 3:01 AM

[quote] [R118] is proof of white gay gentile xenophobia.

Yes, Boris, yes.

In the future, you should read your training manual before typing a response.

by Anonymousreply 121April 21, 2019 3:06 AM

Keep blathering, R121. Nothing you say or do will get you unblocked.

by Anonymousreply 122April 21, 2019 3:08 AM

Str8 black men are some of the biggest bigots against women, gays, and Jews and they use their blackness as a shield to deflect criticism. Between them and the trans-centric Acronym Mafia, no wonder Sam feels the way he does.

by Anonymousreply 123April 21, 2019 3:09 AM

Gay men who are white and not Jewish are privileged both within the gay community and within society at large.

by Anonymousreply 124April 21, 2019 3:10 AM

[quite] Keep blathering, [R121]. Nothing you say or do will get you unblocked.

That doesn't even make sense. I told you to refer to your manual. You continue to show who and what you are.

Thanks. You make it so easy!

by Anonymousreply 125April 21, 2019 3:18 AM

Before you say it, I typed quite, not quote.

by Anonymousreply 126April 21, 2019 3:20 AM

The last pigskin R125 or R126 touched was at the bottom of a bag of pork rinds.

by Anonymousreply 127April 21, 2019 4:04 AM

Just checking, R103/117. I thought it was because you're retarded.

by Anonymousreply 128April 21, 2019 4:06 AM

I want Willam to interview Michael Sam on "Beat Down!" Then have Sam in dance his football pants dance or jockstrap on "Hey, Kween." Maybe then Andy Cohen would have Michael serve shirtless shots to Arron Cockgobbler on WWHL. TOPIC OF THE DAY: Aaron Hernandez and Tim Tebow.

by Anonymousreply 129April 21, 2019 4:27 AM

He should've kept low key like he was at Mizzou. He was tokenized and used up. You wonder why Aaron and Tim stay in the closet?!?!

by Anonymousreply 130April 21, 2019 4:37 AM

[quote] The last pigskin [R125] or [R126] touched was at the bottom of a bag of pork rinds.

Pork rinds have no carbs, asshat. Another miss there, Boris.

You make it SO easy.

by Anonymousreply 131April 21, 2019 5:29 AM

r107 THIS.

The CFL is well known as a "redemption" league for Americans. There would've been a very structured plan in place at all levels of the League. They're not really looking for stellar play, just a strong effort and willingness to learn the system. That, and controlling whatever bounced you from the NFL in the first place. Sam could not do that, and the result was entirely on him.

The fan culture is totally different here; the majority wouldn't give a fuck about his sexuality, even in conservative areas.

by Anonymousreply 132April 21, 2019 5:35 AM

[quote]Str8 black men are some of the biggest bigots against women, gays, and Jews and they use their blackness as a shield to deflect criticism. Between them and the trans-centric Acronym Mafia, no wonder Sam feels the way he does.

Oh, sure. Unlike the straight white male who creates legislation that restricts EVERYONE’s rights---but HIS. I mean...If you want to talk about intolerance, let’s talk about the ones who created it, dictate it and monetized it. And then get bitchy when those who they oppress have the GALL to complain about it.

FOH, dude.

by Anonymousreply 133April 21, 2019 10:05 AM

Pork rinds have no carbs bro?

by Anonymousreply 134April 21, 2019 3:28 PM

The kiss was more awkward than Michael and Lisa Marie

by Anonymousreply 135April 21, 2019 6:02 PM

the kiss was more awkward than

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by Anonymousreply 136April 21, 2019 6:42 PM

Agree, R116.

Look how Martina has been treated.

He was young and dumb and expected something different.

by Anonymousreply 137April 21, 2019 8:00 PM

So sad

by Anonymousreply 138April 21, 2019 9:07 PM

Actually dumb was not the right word, he was young and naive, as all young people are.

The LGBT media and PR spun it as he would be a hero. They had their own interests. The black folks who told him to keep it low key and play well had his interests at heart and more experience with the real world than he did. He did not have good support around him.

That the story had become well known in football circles prior to the Combine cannot be disputed. He was on the verge of being outed and so tried to take control of the narrative. The timing was horrible re: the draft.

I, for one, am surprised he is still here, and wish him well.

So many players come from extremely dysfunctional backgrounds. Football/the coaches/team may be their only goal and only support. We all have our demons to fight and it sounds like he is trying.

by Anonymousreply 139April 21, 2019 9:50 PM

I'm absolutely shocked no nudes or tape ever leaked with him in them.

by Anonymousreply 140April 21, 2019 10:25 PM

He's a known slut, who would hang out with some of the cast of the gay bachelor show.

by Anonymousreply 141April 21, 2019 10:29 PM

I would've too if they would have had me.

by Anonymousreply 142April 21, 2019 10:31 PM

He’s still a hero. This is a honest indictment of how gay men treat each other.

by Anonymousreply 143April 22, 2019 5:29 AM

He's correct. He can still do porn. He's still handsome with a massively huge penis.

by Anonymousreply 144April 22, 2019 5:50 AM

R144, how do you know he has a massively huge penis?

by Anonymousreply 145April 22, 2019 1:28 PM

Eleanor Roosevelt said that no one can make you feel bad about yourself without your permission (paraphrasing). If he felt "used," then he was complicit in that.

by Anonymousreply 146April 22, 2019 1:33 PM

Like I said: she was always roaming around with the culluds.

by Anonymousreply 147April 22, 2019 1:35 PM

[quote] Eleanor Roosevelt said that no one can make you feel bad about yourself without your permission (paraphrasing). If he felt "used," then he was complicit in that.

It wouldn't be DL if our victim-blamers weren't here.

by Anonymousreply 148April 22, 2019 5:33 PM

Unlike Sam, Carl Nassib doesn’t want media publicity for his sexuality’s. He just wants to be a great football player and fit in with his football bros. Progress

by Anonymousreply 149June 25, 2021 11:59 AM

Didn't Sam exploit the gay community to get publicity?

by Anonymousreply 150June 25, 2021 12:10 PM

Gay sites in the comments and places like this were vile towards him. I remember specifically here, Outsports, and Queerty. He should have never come out.

by Anonymousreply 151June 25, 2021 12:11 PM

[quote]Didn't Sam exploit the gay community to get publicity?

No he wanted to do the right thing, which I’m starting to believe is not the right thing.

by Anonymousreply 152June 25, 2021 12:12 PM

Was waiting to see how long after that NFL player came out Michael Sam would pop up. It didn't take long......

by Anonymousreply 153June 25, 2021 12:30 PM

Gay community sometimes is often so thirsty to welcome another shining example of out gay male they don't bother seeing entire picture.

Michael Sam simply never was going to work out in NFL, he just wasn't that good. He and that white bf at the time were excellent at self promotion to point it became more about them being gay than any actual football talent Michael Sam remotely had.

When his pro football career didn't take, nor any of his other major sport endeavors people moved on. What did Michael Sam want credit and adulation for afterwards? Being a black man who came out as gay? We've got plenty of those already.

As stated then and since, Michael Sam should have waited until he made something of himself in NFL, then came out. He acted so sure that he was going to be the next big thing in NFL he could rub his gayness into people's faces. Not knocking that, hey to each his own, but when he didn't bring game who had the last laugh?

by Anonymousreply 154June 25, 2021 1:21 PM

[quote]Michael Sam simply never was going to work out in NFL, he just wasn't that good.

This is false, even analysts said he was acceptable. The bullshit from homophobic gay forums. Stay in the closet. Come out at your own risk and face McCarthy-like gay people who seek to destroy.

by Anonymousreply 155June 25, 2021 1:24 PM

"This is false, even analysts said he was acceptable"

fake news

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by Anonymousreply 156June 25, 2021 1:27 PM

From NBC Out Opinions:

Coming out wasn’t the mistake Michael Sam made. The mistake was in not adequately prioritizing his professional life alongside his private life. As I said before, some of that falls on his representation, but it also falls on Sam himself. I firmly believe the off-the-field decisions made by Sam before he ever played a preseason down, together with the decisions made after his first season as a professional, left teams wondering as to where his focus and priorities were. Did he want to be Michael Sam: The football player who happens to be gay? Or did he want to be Michael Sam: The openly gay football player? I feel he and his team around him chose the latter. Fairly or unfairly, the margin for error as the first openly gay NFL player was much smaller for Michael Sam then it would have been for a straight player drafted in the same spot. But Sam needed to be better prepared for that going in.

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by Anonymousreply 157June 25, 2021 1:30 PM

Oh well—come out at your own risk.

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by Anonymousreply 158June 25, 2021 1:33 PM

Professional football is an insanely competitive sport. If he couldn't make it, how is that gay people's fault? Of course once he lost his position, he'd lose visibility. That's the nature of public life.

by Anonymousreply 159June 25, 2021 1:36 PM

I always got the impression he thought his status as an open player would give him an advantage and compensate for any shortcomings as a football player, but that didn’t happen. Also, only athletes with some charisma go into some other related field like broadcasting, and he’s about as charismatic as a hot pocket. I think he hedged his bets and ultimately it didn’t work out. He used his situation for his 15 minutes of fame and everyone got a little something out of it and left.

by Anonymousreply 160June 25, 2021 1:37 PM

Here’s an article refute R156. But it’s not good enough. People rely on anonymous scouts making comments about Michael Sam. Not one person gives their name in that article at R156.

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by Anonymousreply 161June 25, 2021 1:42 PM

People are so impassioned about Michael Sam not being “good enough”, no matter what. I’m going to bow out because it’s pointless to debate. Michael should have stayed in the closet.

by Anonymousreply 162June 25, 2021 1:44 PM

Whatever happened to that grifting Guido-bottom who tagged along for the famewhoredom?

by Anonymousreply 163June 25, 2021 1:51 PM

Had he stayed in the closet, he would have had no platform to complain after he was cut, which was inevitable. Now, he's a household name, which, I'm sure has benefited him in pursuing other endeavors.

by Anonymousreply 164June 25, 2021 1:53 PM

I agree that homophobia played a part in Michael Sam's case. He was an excellent college player. Many players of his caliber find spots on NFL teams. I do not believe the Rams or Dallas wanted the extra baggage that an openly gay rookie would bring. There was certainly anti-gay sentiment expressed when he kissed his then-boyfriend on national television. And team front offices did not like it.

I can also understand how Sam might feel used by the gay community -- all those touting him -- and then nothing. Fame is fickle. It's a hard lesson he learned.

Carl Nassib had an NFL record which made his coming out easier than Michael Sam's story.

by Anonymousreply 165June 25, 2021 1:55 PM

R163

Isn't this Vito Cammisano?

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by Anonymousreply 166June 25, 2021 2:04 PM

Cannot be certain, but is this him as well?

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by Anonymousreply 167June 25, 2021 2:07 PM

He used the same victim strategy as Colin Kaepernick but it didn’t work for him.

Here’s how it goes: I’m going to classify myself in a category that has been marginalized in the past. I won’t have to work as hard to prove my value and if I don’t succeed, I’ll put the blame on my being marginalized.

It’s also a version that Harry Windsor is using. “You should give me opportunities that I don’t deserve because I was born into an oppressive family and my mother died.”

by Anonymousreply 168June 25, 2021 2:18 PM

Both Michael and Colin should be in the NFL, but they’d let Colin before Michael.

by Anonymousreply 169June 25, 2021 2:49 PM

This is why you should never come out "for others" (including the LGBTQ Community as a whole). You'll always expect rewards (approval, attention, money, gifts, jobs, career, long-lasting relationship, etc.) for your bravery, or you blame them for what goes wrong in your life and become resentful and bitter.

People should only come out of the closet for their own benefit when the closet is crushing them to the point they consider suicide a valid option. With that in mind, anything that life throws at you is better than the mental torment that was the closet.

by Anonymousreply 170June 25, 2021 2:59 PM

I agree with R170. 30-40 years ago coming out was much more personal as you came out to your community, friends, family, work—but today with the Internet, and gay online communities that doxx you and your loved ones with the intent of harming you in some way, it’s better to just let it go. Come out to close people, your work but not globally like today. It’s not worth it.

by Anonymousreply 171June 25, 2021 3:08 PM

I heavily promote coming out in your personal life, as long as there is enough estimated safety - and even when there isn't, sometimes you have to; that's been part of the movement anyway.

I also promote coming out publicly. It has societal and cultural effects that get underestimated a lot initially, until bearing fruit years or decades later. And in safe enough environments, it takes a more invisible load off your shoulders, even it it may come with obvious or hard to detect negative effects (othering). Its by and large a good thing, even if you really really feel it isn't (and maybe you're one of the relatively few that's correct about that, going back to personal life consequences).

I don't care about publicizing it, having an agent or team working hard at massaging or amplifying your message of coming out, by itself. If you're going to be a huge, expensive deal about it, it must come with a lot more. So far, I think Carl Nassib is an opportunist that is just getting ahead of things for the sake of a post-NFL career, that he's Republican through and through, and his donation was PR distraction. --- but even if it is, its a better calculation for publicizing coming out than "WE SO IN LOVE". Do something, or at least look like you're doing something substantial for many OTHER people, not just yourself/your immediate loves.

But this applies not just to coming out as gay, but basically anything. Outside of giant PR machines (Oprah tier) or charisma vortexes (social media celebs), or the mix of both, people don't appreciate others who make everything about themselves. Even the two groups mentioned there have all sorts of tactics to look more generous than they likely are.

Michael Sam would have done better either keeping it lower key or otherwise going all out on a Pro-Gay-Acceptance spree and getting everyone on the wagon for it. Celebrating something that isn't celebrity yet takes an appeal that most people lack and shouldn't be expected to have.

But I will say now that after Michael Sam broke the glass and Carl Nassib stepped in, as long as Nassib doesn't step in big shit, we may end up seeing a whole bunch of NFLers come out in various ways. And overall, that's a good thing. Where Sam was tomato pelted for his audaciousness and Nassib will probably be so straight-laced he'll even be a shield for Republicans, others will be anywhere in between, or more pro-gay activist with a better record for it.

Sam did nothing wrong in coming out, in itself, by the way. His path of self-promotion and emphasis on extraneous aspects of his life (compared to football) hurt him. Like the Christianity etc of other players SHOULD, but yes, don't (yet). Sam's coming out definitely has encouraged many more lower level players to come out and be more comfortable stating their sexuality, or rejecting bigger leagues so to be in favor of a more comfortable life instead of a lie. That's awesome.

by Anonymousreply 172June 25, 2021 3:27 PM

[quote] Sam did nothing wrong in coming out, in itself, by the way. His path of self-promotion and emphasis on extraneous aspects of his life (compared to football) hurt him.

I disagree. What hurt him was the opposition using any excuse to diminish him, his character, his talent. Any straight guy with the same level of talent could have gone further. Hell, they welcomed that dog killer, Michael Vick, with open arms. But Michael just wasn't "good" enough.

by Anonymousreply 173June 25, 2021 4:35 PM

Yes, R173.

by Anonymousreply 174June 25, 2021 4:39 PM

R173 just to be clear, I actually agree. Its kind of what I was getting at with the Christianity detail. I only meant what I regarded to be more within his power and planning. It was going to be a terribly uproad path regardless, and because of bigoted straight people.

I just believe that somewhat within his power was the chances of getting in the big range between 'really tough path but made it through the hate and dismissal, into greatness' and 'completely bombed and took down the gay community with him'. I don't think he's the latter but his actions leaned more that way than I'd have liked.

Nassib will have several aspects to his story that will have far fewer of his audience reject him (and often for bad reasons, but it is what it is), while bothering more actual LGBT that are going to, still rightly, hate that Sam was so rejected while Nassib will be at least relatively tolerated or accepted.

by Anonymousreply 175June 25, 2021 7:28 PM

Why do I keep seeing people bashing Carl Nassib saying he's not the "first gay NFL player." True, but he never said he was. Someone in the media did.

Honestly, Michael Sam struck me as wanting to be a "Gay NFL player" not an NFL player who happens to be gay.

by Anonymousreply 176June 25, 2021 7:51 PM

That’s completely false^^^and just further proves R173.

by Anonymousreply 177June 25, 2021 8:11 PM

Michael Sam was never and NFL player. He never made a team.

by Anonymousreply 178June 25, 2021 8:42 PM

wow no wonder he felt unsupported. this is why many stay in the closet.

by Anonymousreply 179June 25, 2021 10:41 PM

No team owed him a spot because he is gay. Many good college players are not suited for the pros; he was one of them.

by Anonymousreply 180June 26, 2021 12:35 AM

Nassib came Out the right way. Don’t make a big deal out of it, and foremost focus on being a great football player. To fit in, just be one of the bros

by Anonymousreply 181June 26, 2021 1:02 AM

Did he really expect some LGBT group to give him a job? Who wouldn't want to hire a coked up failed athlete - Talk about entitlement. He did not come across well in that article...

by Anonymousreply 182June 26, 2021 10:02 AM

Sam an his advisors thought that by coming out he would rake in publicity, endorsements, nd ultimate fame as the first openly gay player in the NFL. Only one thing went wrong - he wasn't a good enough player to make the team. Left with dream shattered, what was there to do? Go to Canada and play, but he wasn't good enough to make the CFL, so he left camp. Now he's whining to get publicity ( maybe a book or movie deal). Bottom line- he's wasn't a very good pro player:

"The latest theory concerning Sam's departure was that he simply wasn't good enough to make the roster, sensed this and left to save himself and the organization embarrassment," the Gazette's Herb Zurkowski wrote. "This particular scenario is gaining steam throughout the Als dressing room and, for that matter, the CFL."

While there has been speculation that Sam's announcement before the 2014 draft that he is gay may be hurting his ability to make a team, there were also red flags about his play even before the draft.

Senior Bowl executive director Phil Savage noted last year that Sam "did not look comfortable" trying to transition to outside linebacker during the week of practices leading up to the 2014 game and that would limit his value to pro clubs.

by Anonymousreply 183June 26, 2021 10:57 AM

I felt bad for him, he got used and shafted.

by Anonymousreply 184June 26, 2021 11:23 AM

Used by his agents, publicists, and those closest to him.

by Anonymousreply 185June 26, 2021 12:48 PM

Sad

by Anonymousreply 186June 26, 2021 1:29 PM

R187 I remember the constant stupid debates about locker room (like if the players were insecurie 12 year old kids). He was not treated fairly but he made a lot of mistakes by himself.

The truth is coming out in sports is tricky, specially if you are on a team sport, but even if a player won't lose endorsements (Like it would have happened in the past) only if the player has some qualities he'll get a lot of endorsements.

It's the same as being handsome, being handsome helps a lot with endorsements if the player has a lot of potential to be successful on the field.

I don't know a thing about football, but i'm pretty sure that if a young tennis player with potential to become a GS champion comes out he'll receive tons of endorsments, if he is a journeyman, the endorsements will be less enthusiastic and it will depend of the personality and charisma

by Anonymousreply 187June 26, 2021 1:40 PM

R176 Nassib is not the first openly gay NFL player, but he is the first one who is active in the sport.

And yes, he didn't say a thing about that

by Anonymousreply 188June 26, 2021 1:42 PM

He isn't wrong.

But how did he go from being a spectacular college ball player to a poor pro player?

by Anonymousreply 189June 26, 2021 1:44 PM

To be fair he didn't even have the opportunity to be a poor pro player.

It was very clear from the start the teams didn't want him

by Anonymousreply 190June 26, 2021 1:46 PM

He always looked retarded to me

by Anonymousreply 191June 26, 2021 2:10 PM

Carl looks retarded too.

Must be a gay thing.

by Anonymousreply 192June 26, 2021 2:12 PM

Was it he and his trick Italian boyfriend going all the YASS KWEEN when they were picking the drafts?

That might have done it.

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by Anonymousreply 193June 26, 2021 2:31 PM

I hate saying shit like this because it's unfair and it's wrong, and I don't watch football. I think he kind of weaponized his coming out so that he would get picked up in the draft and then it all fell apart and then he fell apart. Yeah, the gays probably abandoned him... but what was he expecting? We're the gays and we're not exactly known for long term support and a long attention span.

If he was serious about the game and playing, he should have gone the same route as this Carl dude. Got into it, kept his personal life on the DL, played, and then he could come out after he was established. And trust me, I am well aware that it is backwards thinking and not helpful to hide, but the NFL is conservative and sometimes you have got to play the game if you want to play the game.

by Anonymousreply 194June 26, 2021 2:36 PM

His then boyfriend is from a mob family his grandfather is mafia boss William “Will the Rat” Cammisano.

by Anonymousreply 195June 26, 2021 2:57 PM

[quote] Moral of story: Don't come out when you're in the public eye and making good money.

Agree. It is a fiction that there is a gay 'community' eager to embrace out gay males. If you are in an environment where it is not safe to be out then you cannot come out even in 2021. He was in a profession that also ostracized an unquestionably talented (Black) player for kneeling during the national anthem. The NFL was not ready for an openly gay player, and it is an open question whether it is today. Also, Michael Sam was a kid and his expectations of life were shaped by what he'd been training to do his entire childhood. He could have been a Tim Tebow and remained closeted forever.

I applaud that he is not a self-loathing closet case and he was very brave to come out so early and brazenly. It is disappointing to read some of the comments suggesting that he was unremarkable or felt entitled to something he didn't deserve. Particularly for those of us that have dealt with anti-gay bias in the professional world. You can be as remarkable as you like but that will not make the barriers of homophobia disappear.

by Anonymousreply 196June 26, 2021 3:01 PM

R189, dude, that happens all the time. See Jamarcus Russell, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, RG3, Matt Leinart, et al.

by Anonymousreply 197June 26, 2021 3:07 PM

Ryan Leaf, Brian Bosworth, Heath Shuler

by Anonymousreply 198June 26, 2021 3:08 PM

If he had his shit together, he could have parlayed his fame into a cushy no-show job as a "diversity and inclusion officer" at a major sports equipment maker or like joined the D&I staff at Nike or something. He'd literally have to do nothing but get flown to some stupid TED-talk like event every quarter and blather on about some bullshit and pocket about $1m a year.

Beats doing cocaine alone in a motel room in WeHo.

by Anonymousreply 199June 26, 2021 3:26 PM

That’s harsh

by Anonymousreply 200June 26, 2021 3:27 PM

On a strictly shallow note, I would love to see their sex tape.

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by Anonymousreply 201June 26, 2021 3:33 PM

Perhaps a new tattoo, or puppy?

by Anonymousreply 202June 26, 2021 4:30 PM

[quote]We're the gays and we're not exactly known for long term support and a long attention span.

LOL

So says the myriad old hollywood references and die hard stans.

by Anonymousreply 203June 26, 2021 4:40 PM

"Nassib came Out the right way"

After he signed the contract as an apparent straight man? Would the deal have been offered if he was Grand Marshal of the pride parade?

by Anonymousreply 204June 26, 2021 4:42 PM

These gay supporters of Nasib who are busy justifying him being a MAGA Trump supporter at the "young" age of 28 owe Sam an apology.

by Anonymousreply 205June 26, 2021 5:23 PM

R205 You are mixing two things that has nothing in common.

R204 That happens in every profession. If a popular singer comes out there's a big probability that people who loved him before supported him after the coming out, but some of these people probably wouldn't have any interest in him if he was out from the very beginning.

For an actor is good to take some time before coming out because he has the opportunity to show his acting chops before being put in a box and being rejected for roles he is perfectly able to do.

And of course there's the fact that at the age most players start their pro careers a lot of them are struggling with their sexuality, didn't come out, or are totally lost

R197 That happens in other sports too. Philip Peliwo won three GS as junior but he was unable to make it into the top 100 as a tennis pro. He is one of the most extreme examples but there are a lot

by Anonymousreply 206June 26, 2021 5:55 PM

Unlike what Mr. Sam seems to believe, no one owes him anything.

by Anonymousreply 207June 26, 2021 5:55 PM

This is why people like Kerry Rhodes stayed in. You SAY you want people to come out, but you continue to worship those who don't. Im sure you same son's bitches also prefer sucking closeted dick in your own lives as well.

by Anonymousreply 208June 26, 2021 11:16 PM

Support for coming out doesn't mean that he needs to get a job for which he is not as good as another player, just because he's gay.

by Anonymousreply 209June 26, 2021 11:42 PM

"... a lot of them are struggling with their sexuality,"

What struggle? Do people really thrash on the floor wailing, "Do I really like cock- or what?!".

by Anonymousreply 210June 26, 2021 11:51 PM

Sam is Black, so there is really no comparison here with the recently come out White poster boy, there is no need to drag him into the conversation.

by Anonymousreply 211June 27, 2021 12:03 AM

Poor sweet darling baby!

btw, what are "lines of coke"?

by Anonymousreply 212June 27, 2021 12:06 AM

Some nasty people here

by Anonymousreply 213June 27, 2021 3:24 AM

Is Rhodes the one who had the super queeny boyfriend that would threaten to spill tea all over the place?

by Anonymousreply 214June 27, 2021 3:27 AM

R214, yes. I remember reading comments from some people in denial saying "come on, they could just be friends." Come on now. Even most of the gay men I know would not be hanging out with guys as queeny looking as the guy Rhodes was "friends" with.

by Anonymousreply 215June 27, 2021 4:10 AM

None of you would talk this shit to his face so don't do it here. Michael Sam could kick your ass into next year.

by Anonymousreply 216June 27, 2021 4:28 AM

I had forgotten all about him.

by Anonymousreply 217June 27, 2021 5:02 AM

r217 So had I, and I think so did a lot of people. The guy just wasn't memorable on a number of levels.

This isn't being cruel. It's just a fact.

by Anonymousreply 218June 27, 2021 5:15 AM
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