Depressing American cities

South Bend is the Salinas of the Midwest.

I'm rarely depressed by cities, even ones with poor infrastructure. Any sprawling suburb depresses me however.

Phoenix with its 10 lane expressways and shitty air always depresses me. It appears to be the worst America has to offer.

i don't know about cities, however, is their anything more sad and lonely and depressing then for instance driving across country and see a lone house on a plain in the middle of nowhere on the interstate in say oklahoma or texas?..

r2 my family lives in Kettering, a superb of Dayton. I find the whole area depressing.

A superb suburb?

Oh dear.

Killeen, Texas is the most depressing place I’ve ever had the misfortune to live, albeit briefly.

Modesto, CA

Depressing, and creepy as fuck.

San Francisco can be depressing when you consider what it used to be.

I live in a Dayton-esque type city. What depresses me about it is that for the most part the smartest, most good looking, go getters, interesting, challenging dreamer type people all left for bigger cities. If they are here it's only temporarily as a stepping stone.

San Francisco--now awash in human waste.

Gary, Indiana or r9's Modesto. Pick an Inland Empire or Central Valley City. Fresno's the best of a bad lot.

Dayton was hurt by overall industrial decline but losing National Cash Register to suburban Atlanta was insult to injury.

Lansing.MI,

Most of Baltimore looks like Dresden did in 1945.

R4 When I see that, I find it beautiful. It is my idea of heaven.

Baltimore

Also, although I only drove through it, Bakersfield, CA seemed rather depressing

Anything in Florida ~ except Orlando.

NYC. It used to be filled with creative, edgy people. Now it's one huge Mall of America.

Binghamton, Utica, Scranton--all those upstate NY/NE PA cities

Is Salinas depressing, r1?

Yeah Phoenix is depressing. Nightmare traffic, high crime, dried out and brown everywhere.

All cities with high unemployment and lots of poor people.

Also, rich cities that have sold out to the international .1%.

2 sides of the same depressing coin.

Laredo, TX

R15

No infrastructure. A black majority populace who will most always vote another black into office over any white even if they are more qualified. 75% of the black babies are born out of wedlock which continues the circle of want. When people have tried to rehab the empty buildings they're often irritated to find that overnight all of their hard work from their previous visit has been ruined and stolen so they give up and let it go. Racial tensions exacerbated by race hustlers, opportunists. Even once their cases have been exposed as bogus, the general population is so stupid that they still go along with it. Bottom line: angry illegitimate illiterate uneducated blacks do not make for great works of progress and a land of happiness.

European cities used to have walls around them. I think that would make a lot of American cities look more impressive with walls. Dayton, for example, could be the Carcassonne of America.

Have you ever lived someplace very isolated, R16? It may look peaceful driving by but to live in a place like that is oppressive and depressing.

I agree about suburbs being the worst, especially exurbs with miles of McMansions stuck in muddy fields. So ugly. I always wonder who lives in places like that.

R26 that leads to the question of who can capture the black voter. I think the black community is in such disarray right now it's hard to know what they really want other than reparations(equity ) and affordable housing . It is hard to pander to that without turning off a huge chunk of other voters.

I think middle class and rich suburbs are cheerful, though some can have a stepford feeling.

All cities in Texas, especially Austin.

Maybe I'm just odd (and I didn't spend a lot of time there), but I found Dayton quite nice (especially compared to Cincinnati- where I was spending most of my time on my trip).

Atlanta -- a soulless spiral of shopping centers, gas stations, hotels, and high rise office towers.

Tijuana is really depressing.

R28 It depends on the person. Some people love isolation and find it invigorating. I wish I had the money to spend half of the year in a large city, and the other half way out in the country away from everyone, so I could have the best of both worlds. Because, after a few months I find big cities to be oppressive and depressing, and I need to get away from the noise and the people.

I always large main drags in suburbia make me saddest...Rt. 22 in New Jersey, or the interstate between Tyson's Corner and DC, or McKnight Road in Pittsburgh, or Rockville Pike in Rockville, MD.

zzzzz r26

As an Australian who has travelled the US, there are some cities you just ask wtf and how did they get this way. Depending on location, it came down to poor economics and culture of I deserve this or that but refuse to work for it, and that was many areas heavily populated with black voters. Its a bit hard to call other nations shit holes when the US has many states like that. Take the am track from NY to DC and its on full view. There is also this race baiting going on. People who rile up blacks but have no solutions to anything but anger and their own self ego.

Salem, Oregon. A capital city who has a freeway running right through it. Home of the prison and the mental hospital,and with smaller corrections facilities. East side is heavily Hispanic/Latino, and SE Asians, with a huge population of Marshall Islands transplants due to the United States test bombings back in the day. This side of town has a lot of crime, lots of ugly outdated strip malls, pawn shops, liquor stores, etc. On the west side of the freeway, there’s some trouble areas near the prison (families of lifers move here to be near loved one in prison). As you go further west, the more beautiful and well off it becomes. However, the major issue is a bridge over the river that really fucks up evrything if you want to live further west and commute.

[quote]Salem, Oregon. A capital city who has a freeway running right through it.

Seattle has a freeway running right through it. So?

Baltimore is absolutely gorgeous in parts with some great vistas and stunning architecture.

Any city with minorities, except those we personally like. Then, they aren't what makes the city depressing.

Minneapolis.

Pittsburgh. Crumbling infrastructure. Bad air from the steel and coke plants surrounding it. A mini Flint when it comes to water. Oxy and heroin issues. Piss poor public schools. Deplorables three miles in any given direction. Housing is inexpensive because it's old and busted, prices on everything else is comparable to other larger cities. Something like 29 colleges in a small area. Suprisingly high crime. Dirty.

Los Angeles.

Depends on the suburb. Some are depressing and cookie cutter looking....

...whereas others are nestled into woods with space between houses and individual architecture.

R37 I agree with you on Tyson's corner and rockville pike. Its just so empty and soulless. The road just drags on and on to nowhere.

To add to Pittsburgh...There are areas with a ton of boarded up housing because of the decades long population decline.

It always gets me on whatever the interstate is on the way home to 20036 from Tyson's. All those exits for Arlington...something about it just knocks the shit out of me, mentally.

Where, r50? Some street view links, please (if you are thus inclined). Thanks.

I find DC weird and depressing. It doesn't feel like a real city, it feels like a giant government office. And the suburbs aren't any better. The DC and surrounding suburbs are full of the worst people I have ever met .

Stockton, CA and North Las Vegas

R2 and r3 are after my own heart.

I find endless tract homes of bland cookie cutter suburbia far more depressing.

Wherever poor blacks live is depressing to me. It's a shame that blacks don't make better choices.

I went to grad school in Pittsburgh and hated it at first sight and every second I spent there. Drab dingy city, drab dingy weather and full of people who’d never been anywhere else and had no desire or ambition to ever leave. Seeing that place in my rear view mirror for the last time was a great day.

Philly! How could you get more depressing than Philly?

[quote] Philly! How could you get more depressing than Philly?

Cross the bridge into Camden.

Does Des Moines, Iowa count?

When I'm not on my mobile r52. Homestead comes to mind, but there are a few other areas. At its height, Pittsburgh had 500K people, it's now down to 290/300k.

Also it's old row house hell in some neighborhoods and there's talk about allowing fracking closer to the city. And it's a conceal carry state (although Pittsburgh is trying to make its own gun laws, but they'll never hold up in court).

Utica New York.

That is all.

R53 I agree. DC has no personality.

Ohio is like the midwestern version of TX and FL. Strange murders, strange crimes. Those 3 women being held for 10 years in a house with boarded up windows. Zombie nativity scenes, kindergarten graduation brawls, fake news crews who are robbers, lots and lots of murders.

Recently watched a true crime show about a rich woman in Ohio who only used cash, fought with everyone, hoarded garden gnomes & dolls and, like Donald Trump, she used to hire the lowest bidder for contracting jobs, then refuse to pay them. She ended up in a wishing well, upside down. If only Trump had hired her murderer for a job.......

Would you believe Las Vegas is depressing?

Shreveport and Monroe, LA are right up there.

DC is hell hole full of govt nerds working on a plantation. The people are god awful.

R64, I guess you have a problem reading. The topic is cities. And , of course, one tv program is enough to allow you to make an astute judgment about three states. You are a true moron. And we thought Trump voters were stupid.

R67 I swear Washingtonians are the coldest, nastiest people in the US. Like zombies! And they are not a fraction as brilliant as they seem to imagine, well educated yes, but not the geniuses they envision themselves as.

Lawton, OK. Military towns are awful.

Bremerton, WA. Very depressing, and the town of my birth. I left just as soon as I could.

Cleveland, Dayton, Youngstown, Canton, Toledo

R69 Washington is a cold place populated with the most unimaginative people on earth. Whenever I leave town I don’t want to come back.

R39 is a race troll pretending to be Australian.

Appalachian coal towns and rural Kentucky

Derelict New England mill towns.

r1=Chasten Buttigieg

Pocatello, Idaho was grim.

Jersey City, NJ,

Newark, NJ

Trenton, NJ

I'm going to poke it , HELLO!

Hmm, since I'm currently sitting one block from Rockville Pike, I feel obliged to protest. It's not THAT bad!!

Yes, I know that DMV people are boring assholes and MoCo is a hellhole of snobs who don't deserve to be arrogant about anything, but I've seen much worse places.

North Charleston, SC, is next to one of the most beautiful cities in the country, Charleston, as well as lovely small towns like Summerville, but North Charleston is nothing but suburban and industrial sprawl.

Celebration, Florida

San Jose

Quite a few of the California desert cities are sad, windblown, and depressed. Places like Barstow, Blythe, and Mojave. The harsh climate doesn't help.

Some of the sadder towns I've seen were along a drive from Yellowstone National Park, up through Montana, into Glacier National Park -- dusty, nameless places in the middle of nowhere.

Memphis, High crime. Ugly city and River. Flat as hell. Red necks and a huge bible belt with mega churches. Can't swing a dead cat without seeing a cross.

R86 that's funny because I liked Memphis but that was in '85 and I moved from Springfield ,MO, so everything is relative I suppose.

I agree - Phoenix is AWEFUL. I have friends who live in Scottsdale, but that's still Pheonix, right?

I've lived in Dayton (not one of the suburbs) for 35 years. It's an inexpensive city to live in: taxes are low and property is cheap. The big employers are feds, meds, and eds (Wright Patterson AFB, area hospitals, 3 universities). The downtown is coming back to life, with new housing being built or converted from existing buildings. The neighborhoods are still struggling (but there are 13 historic districts), and the opioid crisis is still a large problem. The south suburbs (closer to Cincinnati) are where all the rich white people live. The rest of the neighborhoods are lower to middle class and are a mix of black, white, and hispanic. I'm white and live in a neighborhood that's about 50% white and 50% black. Dayton isn't as bad as it's portrayed.

My cousins' stepgrandaughter moved there with her nerdy, military Engineer husband (Wright-Pat) and loves her McMansion in Beavercreek. She moved there from the Bay Area!.

I think Youngstown, Ohio is one of the saddest places I've ever visited. And Yes, I'm familiar with Dayton. But Xenia, Ohio carries a palpable sadness. The movie 'Gummo' stars Xenia. I live in Cincinnati.

I always find it ironic that discussions surrounding Montgomery County don't disclose that most of those people in Rockville, Potomac and Bethesda are originally from New York .

Scottsdale.

Surprised at all the hate for Pittsburgh. I have some friends who moved there a year ago and they love it -- say it's very livable, lots of culture, great inexpensive restaurants. And, cheap housing.

Tyler, Texas. Really all of Texas, but in my experience the Tyler/Longview area is just the fucking worst.

R92 cause everyone is jewish

Minneapolis.

R79 lives in a basement someplace far from New Jersey

Jersey City is a hot destination for the past five years, lots of luxury high-rises with views of Manhattan, lots of happening bars and restaurants, lots of hipster and yupster 20somethings who have turned it into a version of Brooklyn.

Newark is showing some signs of revival too, they're even putting up a Whole Foods.

Trenton, OTOH...

DC suburbs are no better/worse/different than other Northeast burbs.

Though post is titled "Depressing American CITIES" (emphasis added)

Isn't Jersey City below sea level or barely at?

[quote]Is Salinas depressing, [R1]?

Not compared to Soledad.

Another vote for DC. Also Hartford CT.

R99

I agree

Jacksonville, Florida.

Jersey City floods.

Xenia Ohio = tornado magnet

What Manhattan has become is depressing. The pulse is gone.

Seattle.

Everyone's a pretentious phony there now. Bunch of children play-acting as adults.

Meh, I dont get the DC and DMV hate, I agree it is boring and the people have zero personality and mostly greed and ambition, but there are so many cities out there that I would really rather not be in. Like Las Vegas, wtf, now that is one soulless and artificial city.

Greenville, PA and environs.

And I’d rather live in a boring suburb with trees and birds than have my shit stolen and car broken into in cities.

Wilkes Barre, PA

Actually r74 I am Australian, and am not a race troll. The fact is, like all nations, you are not perfect and with the current government and economics have substantial problems that you have chosen not to address. Los Angeles is a great example. The divide between the have and have nots is amazing, much like San Fran. But, every nation has these issues mine included. But, if your answer is to call me a race bait, you obviously do not understand the underlying issues and wish to eliminate the political correctness and find an answer. Which is fine as you will be speaking Russian soon enough.

[quote] But, every nation has these issues mine included.

I'll say!

AHEM!

I would imagine a city in a low-populated state, like Montana or North Dakota, would be extra-depressing.

How could you forget about me?

So saaad....

[quote]cause everyone is jewish

I wish everyone was gay and Jewish.

R112, quite true. Australia has a massive issue with not meeting the needs or indigenousness Australians whether in housing, education or health.

Australia is being overtaken by Asians of all varieties so good luck.

[quote]Surprised at all the hate for Pittsburgh. I have some friends who moved there a year ago and they love it -- say it's very livable, lots of culture, great inexpensive restaurants. And, cheap housing.

I don't get the hate for Pittsburgh either. I lived there for nearly 15 years beginning in 2002. It really is the only rust belt city to successfully reinvent itself. The steel mill smog left decades ago and it's now all about healthcare, real estate services and tech. Sure there are depressed areas (oddly there mainly in the old steel mill suburbs rather than the city itself) but it's a great place to live without spending half of your paycheck on housing.

and r97, r107 - Minneapolis and Seattle, really? One cold in the winter, one frequently rainy- but depressing? Not!

Depressing equals Gary, Detroit, Youngstown, East Saint Louis, Camden, Upstate NY and Central PA. Plus most of the California cities in the "Inland Empire".

Worcester, MA

The people dissing Pittsburgh don’t know what the hell they are talking about.

Rockford, Illinois. It's documented.

...and the people dissing DC don’t know what the hell they are talking about.

Phoenix - it just should not be there.

Omaha - while, it's been not recent experience, I just don't know why they haven't abandoned ship.

Camden, NJ - what hope didn't die in Omaha died here.

Omaha has Runza though

Montgomery, AL just fucking EEK

Here, Omaha. This might help the Runza.

Omaha is fin-de-siecle Paris compared to everything west of Lincoln in Nebraska. Audiences cheered when Debra Winger died in Terms of Endearment because at least it meant she didn't have to spend one more day in Kearney.

I can't count the ways in which Pittsburgh sucks. The housing is inexpensive mostly because it's old and in need of repair. I'm not sure what anyone means by culture. The only culture I've seen is sports. Aisde from that, Pittsburgh doesn't have anything different from any other city. And extra special, the sewers spillover into the rivers during heavy rain.

If sunless days, high humidity, chain restaurants and fried food is your thing then Pittsburgh is the city for you.

I travel for work. In America, all cities now look and feel the same with just different degrees of scale. Keep Austin weird please. The rest of our country would do well to pay attention. America now looks like it’s mom drank during its pregnancy.

[quote]If sunless days, high humidity, chain restaurants and fried food is your thing then Pittsburgh is the city for you.

Have you ever been there r130? It's one of the most chain restaurant free cities in the country. Largely because of the hilly terrain. Fried food? The Burgh is dominated by Italian takeouts (sometimes run by Middle Easterners or Greeks). We spent ten years living just across the river from downtown. One night on a whim we decided to count the places we could order a pizza or hoagie (or a gyro etc) to be delivered. There were 24. Conspicuously absent: Domino's, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns..... i.e national chains. Pittsburgher's unhealthy indulgences of choice are not fried. They're sauteed with onions, garlic and butter: pierogie, halushki, baked penne and other carb loaded Polish and Italian entrees. Not good for you, but not deep fried.

I live there 9 months out of the year, r132. And, believe me, I am thrilled when I'm back in the home office and out of Pittsburgh. And, if Italian Take out is short for awful pizza places, then, yes, it's dominated by "Italian Takeout".

Isn't D.C. a nice comeback story considering where it was 30 years ago?

DC native here. DC has always been an unfriendly town, but it is far more busy and fun than it was 20 years ago. It is using its potential so much better than before.

The most boring, depressing (small) city I've ever seen is Muncie, Indiana. It's only claim to fame is that Close Encounters of the Third Kind takes place there (in the beginning) and Dave Letterman went to college there (good ole Ball U!). Muncie is meth, opioid, sleazy redneck central. It seems to attract those types.

Reno.

Stockton, CA, one of the few cities to go bankrupt.

Bakersfield, CA

Bombay Beach, CA

Reno has a certain funky vibe I like very much. It makes no apologies for what it is.

Stockton is a total shithole, and becoming a less affordable one by the month. That said I would select Modesto over Stockton as being worse. At least Stockton has an impressive a mix of cultures and some great ethnic, inexpensive restaurants. Modesto is just...every bad white lower middle/barely middle class stereotype you can imagine.

If you are in the tourist area of St Louis and make a wrong turn, you can wind up in East St Louis. Nothing but blight, bordered up windows, very, very run down.

We're gays. Most if us are going to be depressed and unhappy no matter where we are.

Kill yourself r143

New London, CT.

Norwich, CT.

R119 So is Rockville.

R131 Austin is no longer weird and hasn't been in over 10 years. It's just like every other city in Texas now, full of sad, obese people melting in the heat. Austin in the 1990s was truly special. It's more depressing when you remember how great a city used to be.

Seattle. It just seems really gentrified and depressing.

Among the large cities I've visited, I found New Orleans most depressing. Yes, the Quarter is fun and cute and all that, but step outside it and you're in very depressing slums. The city is flat and mostly ugly, and the suburbs are run-down. I know there are nice areas, like the Garden District, some parts of Uptown and some of the suburbs in St. Tammany Parish, across Lake Pontchartrain, but overall the entire area has poor, inbred feeling to it. And go a few miles outside the suburbs and you're in the deepest of the Deep South. Certainly it has character, but it's not a character I would particularly want to live with.

Even the French Quarter has a weird, desperate quality to it, and the noisy, trashy, partying crowds of tourists don't help.

Also, the people naming DC and environs as depressing have presumably never visited St Louis, Detroit, NOLA, or any of the other poor cities mentioned here. There is no end to the ways nice things are nicer than nasty things, and richer cities and metro areas, like Washington, will always be nicer than poor ones. It's just a fact of life.

Water. Do you Americans not like a view of water?

The cities I have visited seem to turn their backs on rivers, canals or lakes.

Over here, you only have to see a stretch of river, and some developer has built apartments or houses next to it, but in the US, you don't seem to do that.

R120 generally I agree that Minneapolis and Seattle are far (far far) from America's most depressing cities. However, I must admit to being very disappointed with my last trip to Minneapolis this past fall. The downtown area is absolutely nothing like it once was. Practically all shopping is gone (apparently moved to the outer wealthier suburbs) and, while there's been a slight relocation of the nightlife to North Minneapolis, it's all very new-agey upscale restaurants and bars with that generic, quasi-posh, middle-aged "hipster" appeal. It's fun superficially (and food was good), but it lacks any kind of city-grit or -vibe, with no real connection or reverence to the history of the city. Still some fun gay bars, but noticed ones I liked were long closed and gone. Minneapolis used to have a great artists' feel to it which has been basically gobbled up by commercialism. In that sense, it's quite depressing. I'd feel the same way about Seattle. Same pretentiousness masquerading as faux-hipster crap. As Someone mentioned above it's filled with kids pretending to be adults raising children. I'd tend to agree.

Minneapolis is a shithole. It costs a fucking fortune for what little you get. I talking close to California prices for a crappy one bedroom apartment. You live in tundra conditions for at least 6 months out of the year. There is one month of spring and one month of fall, and otherwise it is a hot humid hellhole or death comes to you blessedly should you step out the door for five minutes in the winter months (aka most of them) The only people who you could call "pleasant" are the ones that live in the outer suburbs and have lived there for generations. Everyone else is stacked in apartments that are mold farms. The place most people shop for food is at Super Target for fuck's sake. As for the food scene (there is no nightclub scene, so just forget that right now) ..well there isn't one. Wendy's is the most popular place for a "treat". Most real restaurants don't deliver for various reasons. My friend who has lived there for years says he likes it there (He was born and raised there and so....) but then he wonders why he is severely depressed 10 months out of the year. If you are rich, can live near a lake and can do the snowbird thing, I guess there are a few weeks of merit, but nothing for the "regular" Joe.

Oh, gay scene. I didn't mention it, because it doesn't exist.

Williamsburg Brooklyn

Virginia Beach, VA Greenville, SC

NEW ORLEANS AND METARIE , LA.

There are so many depressing cities because in the last 40 years most of America has been hollowed out. The only real prosperous cities are on the coasts.

Boston...it has pretensions.

But it's extremely provincial and oppressive.

El Paso is a giant hellhole.

I like New Orleans and Baltimore 😍.

Boston can be rough on social climbers and extroverts, but introverts like how people there mind their own business.

I love Boston. It values education, unlike MANY other cities/places in the US

R147, agree about Austin.

Whatever made it weird and unique is long gone.

Salt Lake City, just such a creepy vibe when you consider how much of it is driven by religion.

I live in SF and my office covers basically all of the western US and we travel quite frequently. I agree with above poster who said most cities today basically feel the same.

I will say nothing beats California for options (within the state, out of the state, out of the country). So much is accessible with relatively little effort (except in SF, where you are fighting with millions of entitled introverts from every walk of life and don't know how to play nice with others). However, many businesses are moving inland and up and as I grow older, I am finding the simplicity of life in cities off the coast much more appealing. People tend to be nicer, even if they are secretly judging you and/or praying for your soul - but I grew up Catholic so that has never bothered me.

R162-The same thing can be said about San Francisco. The TECHIE DICKS have take it over and destroyed the quirkiness of S.F.

Chain stores and corporate radio are two big factors behind the loss of US cities' "personalities." I would expand this to say how, after WW2, New York became the center of the country where previously, each city had its own financial power centered more within itself through its factories and farm specialties. Globalization has further taken financial and social power from places like Cleveland and Buffalo, leaving them as mere regional offices of national and international concerns.

Also, the immigration tsunami combined with multiculturalism has changed many of our larger cities into colonial outposts.

[quote]Chain stores and corporate radio are two big factors behind the loss of US cities' "personalities."

Hear, hear

Born and raised Brooklyn, NY, and it’s so depressing to see the culture here erased like nothing. Williamsburg in particular makes me sad. It feels like a suburban town now.

My daughter lives in the Mt Vernon area of Baltimore and it's lovely - lots to do when I visit

[quote]I have family who live in Dayton, and for reason the city really depresses me.

I bet the people of Dayton think you're depressing.

Hartford, New Haven and Bridgeport are ghetto shitholes. Waterbury is getting there. CT isn't a very pristine place, contrary to popular belief.

Hartford is indeed a downer. They have been trying to improve the town but it is a struggle. The restaurant in the railroad station just closed.....not a good sign.

Minneapolis has a big gay community. However, much of it seems centered around drag. It never seemed to progress beyond the 70s.

I found St Louis oddly depressing with a downtown that was empty after rush hour. Soulless with a sense of decay and insular people. Houston gets shit on here but I find it much more alive and vibrant with people from all over the world.

All of that R165, plus central air conditioning.

The widespread adoption of central AC made sunbelt cities much more livable and as such, people left the colder cities of the Rust Belt for the Sunbelt cities where they were able to afford bigger and newer houses for less money and enjoy the mild winters.

Some of you just hate any area that has black People it seems.

When I went to Portland, OR for the first time, I discovered that "Portlandia" might as well be a documentary instead of a satire.

R176 that show wasn’t lying lmao.

I did like Portland but it’s a bit ridiculous and pretentious

Portland

[quote]Places like Barstow, Blythe, and Mojave.

I stayed at a dirt cheap motel in Blythe with a concrete floor. At 9 pm a prostitute knocked on the door. I wasn't sure if it was male or female. Asked me for a ride to another motel. I said no. He/she asked me what I was up to. Pretty sad.

However, glamorous, chic Bombay Beach, California is just a short drive away!

Missoula Montana is trying to reinvent itself as the new hippie enclave.

Missoula -- isn't that where Arlo Guthrie got his ass kicked and thrown out of school in Alice's Restaurant?

Dystopian Portland

Yes 165 . I don’t think, for instance, Stillwater Oklahoma is that different from Tyson’s Corner Va these days. No more little pool halls or old man beer joints, unless they’re fake old bars. Like the fake 50’s diner in “Ghost-world” .

I can never find where I'm supposed to go when I have a meeting in Tysons. Which parking garage goes with which office building??

I found Portland to be depressing too. 1) It is going the way of Austin - all the Californians are moving in. 2) Has an insular feel. 3) Gay scene is now completely spread apart and all of the bars feel like they are trapped in the 90s (including the new Silverado with those horrible neon stringy things hanging from the ceiling - haven't seen those in 20 years).

The only thing there is to do in Las Vegas is spend money. I find that depressing.

It’s so funny. West of the Rockies the flyoverians blame “those damned Californians” for moving in and and causing real estate prices to rise. East of the mississippi it’s “those damned New Yorkers” moving n, increasing prices.

Meanwhile, the flyoverians are the landlords/owners. Why don’t you rent or sell to NYers and CAs for the same price you rent/sell to the locals? Then prices won’t go up, because YOU’RE not jacking them up to make a huge profit.

I’m only depressed when I have to leave Seattle. Wish it was cheaper and had fewer homeless, but damn it’s moody and fun

Now if you have ever been to Beaumont, Texas, you know what depressing means. No city above is even close. It’s the armpit of Texas.. but smells worse!

Beaumont wins for sure.

A little Beaumont diddy. I worked for the airlines way back in the day of paper tickets(red ink type) and the "u's" looked like "v's:" and one of my new subordinates checked a guy in for the flight and said "Sir , I have your bags checked all the way thru to Beavmont!" Everyone got a good chuckle

OK I'll go away now!

R190, does Beaumont have an App that tracks smells?

i LOVE New Orleans even the slums are beautiful. Even with the giant roaches. I feel like I'm in a dream when I'm in New Orleans.

R33/R91 never been to Cincy but it seems like a stale freezing hellscape full of greasy lunatics from footage and second-hand reportage.

Same here, 194. The architure is beautiful even in poor areas.

Seattle would be cool if the people there had a sense of humor or fucking laughed. Its a weird vibe.

I live in Pittsburgh and I don’t find the area itself to be depressing. What I do find depressing is the Pittsburgh gay community. It is meaner and cuntier than anywhere I’ve ever been.

A lot of these places considered depressing actually have their own character. It takes some real research and work to experience it though. Then again character is a relative term.

Daytona Beach, FL. Pedophile capital of the U.S. I'm glad Detroit hasn't been bashed too badly in this thread. It's a hot mess and scary in some areas but has a very unique energy and vibe to it.

Haven't been able to get laid on your business trips to Minneapolis have you R152?

My end unit townhouse would cost me at least 3 or 4 times what I paid in coastal California or Seattle. I have 2300 finished SF including 800 in the walkout basement, plus 700 semi finished basement sf in a fairly upscale close in suburb. I paid $315k two years ago and spent about 35k renovating. I'm a staff appraiser for a big bank - so I can access lots of information. Something similar, in say Ventura County, would cost me on the high side of a million. In Seattle, about $750k.

I haven't shopped for food in a Super Target for years other than the occasional lemon or pint of half & half. The metro is loaded with better grocery stores: Lunds & Byerly's, Whole Foods, Kowalski's, Hy-Vee, Coborns Delivers, Trader Joe's and Fresh Thyme (plus lower quality Target, Wal-Mart & Cub Foods). Frankly, I've lived in several major metros over the years and the Twin Cities has one of the more competitive and diverse grocery scenes I've encountered. I go to Target for underwear, paper products an cleaning supplies - and that pesky lemon.

Food scene - none? Bullshit. Were you staying in a Motel 6 in Rosemount or Rogers (if so, no wonder you didn't get laid)? Try the North Loop, East Hennepin, Eat Street, the area around France &50th St in Edina, or even the main drag in Robbinsdale. Plenty of great places to explore food.

Nightlife? There's enough (First Avenue for starters). Culture? One of the best regional opera companies, two respected orchestras, one of the best modern art museums in the country (and MIA - a damned good traditional museum), plus the Guthrie and a multitude of other professional and amateur theater companies. Gay life? No ghetto, but is that such a bad thing? There are several large gay bars. Not enough to find somebody to fuck you? Get Grinder. Trust me the area is loaded with horny men.

Food delivery? Right now there are over 70 restaurants that deliver to my suburban office and 50 or so to my townhouse (even farther out) via Door Dash & Grub Hub. Sure there's some chains and fast food - but most are local restaurants.

A list of the non-depressing cities would be much shorter. I live in Phoenix and it's completely soulless... however, it is well located so that it's easy to escape to incredible nature or to more interesting cities. I was more depressed in Omaha and I would submit Fall River and New Bedford, MA, or any of the dozens of other shithole industrial cities in the Northeast.

Want to see depressing? Take the train into PHiladelphia. Some of those neighborhoods look like Dresden after the bombing, only worse. The section may have been Strawberry Mansions.

Kenosha

[quote] I go to Target for underwear,

What do you buy? I needed some recently, but it was easier just to order online @ Lands End. I could go to Target. It's the only department store left in the city of Pittsburgh.

Atlanta was depressing. Rats, huge bugs and mean people in the subway.

Detroit I’ve never been but it looks depressing.

Newark, NJ is like being in a third world country.

Newark has been that way for decades.

R206 sounds like NYC

Thousands Left LA, and Experts Say Rent is to Blame

But that doesn't mean the cost of renting is going down.

[quote]Ohio is like the midwestern version of TX and FL. Strange murders, strange crimes.

Yes exactly.

Something that's always amused me about these places is, when a field is dug up and they find barrels buried there with women's corpses in them, people in the diner in town will be interviewed for the newspapers, and they say things like this:

[quote]"I just can believe this happened here, in this godfearing farm community," Ethel Schuntz, the cake and pie baker, said. "It's the sort of thing that happens in New York City, or places like that. Not here."

No, Ethel, it's the sort of thing that happens in places like your town, not in New York City. Own the weirdness that emanates from the heart of darkest America, Ethel. These bizarre, depraved things are always happening there.

Manhattan is a huge super store waving in tourist shoppers by the second.

[quote]Ethel Schuntz

You can't spell "Schuntz" without "cunt."

Newburgh, New York

R3, you give me phoenix and I'll give you houston

Pueblo, Colorado.

Dusty, desolate, depressed. I can't understand how people willingly stay and live there.

Newark has improved a lot and the Ironbound district is going strong. Towns like Hartford and Dayton would give their left nut to have an Ironbound.

Indianpolis & Columbus--the non-stop boosterism makes it even more apparent that niether measures-up Atlanta--see Columbus and Indianapolis only worse

Jackson, MS

Hartford

Detroit--even with it's cent comeback, it's pretty much a wasteland with second rate cultural attraction; Toledo has a much better art museum

Most of greater Los Angeles--it's a place people went because they thought the weather would make them happier but it didn't; a lot of inner San Diego is like this

Anyplace I've been in Florida (see greater Los Angeles above)

California is definitely about the weather, but something more too -- there was this intangible sense that California was the future, was opportunity. So sad to think so many people went out to that insane asylum thinking that.

Seattle.

It seems peaceful on the surface, but it's actually chaotic.

Does that make it depressing though, r221?

I was only there once and only for a few days. Seemed like a good place to live, from my voyeurist's perspective.

R222 - It's good for a visit for a few days. But long-term, the passive-aggressiveness of the people gets depressing. Lots of phony people there pretending to be woke. It's a mind fuck.

Dallas. Big hot and ugly.

[quote]I live in Pittsburgh and I don’t find the area itself to be depressing. What I do find depressing is the Pittsburgh gay community. It is meaner and cuntier than anywhere I’ve ever been.

You mean like that terrible Showtime show with a homophobic slur in its name?

So if Detroit is depressing & LA is an insane asylum which would you pick to live?

[quote] greater Los Angeles--it's a place people went because they thought the weather would make them happier but it didn't; a lot of inner San Diego is like this.

So where are the non-depressing cities in America, DL? Does such a place exist?

On a road trip we stopped in Vega, Texas at a fast food place (I think it was a Dairy Queen) on a hot June day. It was large and the place was packed. After ordering I noticed that almost nobody was eating. People were playing cards or just sitting around chatting. Apparently the place was one of the few, or possibly the only, building with air conditioning in Vega. After eating we went outside back to the hot, humid, windy Texas plains. It was a strange feeling being there.

R228, I would say Nashville, Austin, Minneapolis and Denver seem like cities that make a good first impression.

I find the string of tiny towns along U.S. 395 in California non-depressing. Lone Pine, Independence, Big Pine, Bishop, Mammoth Lakes, June Lake, Lee Vining, Bridgeport, Topaz Lake, Walker and Coleville all have scenery to look at and none have been depressing to me. But, beyond that stretch in either way it becomes icky. Going south of Lone Pine the 395 goes through the Mojave Desert, with miles of nothing; you pass a huge federal prison and end up in Adelanto, which is suburban hell. North of Coleville you cross into Nevada and soon hit Gardnerville, Minden, and Carson City. They aren't bad but have a lot of traffic and congestion and you're back in ugly civilization. Keep going and you end up in Reno, which is yucky.

Rural eastern Kentucky-As someone who knows the area well - people are clannish, unhealthy, obese and uneducated -small towns drying up because of the drug abuse -stay far far away -

Camden, New Jersey

I don’t think anyone lives there R233.

Livingston NJ is not depressing!

Any more depressing than any other NYC suburb, r235?

Cairo, Illinois (pop. 2,281), the virtual ghost town at the confluence of the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers, at the southern tip of the state. The gays should reclaim it.

R84 why San Jose?

Just curious...do you know the way to San Jose?

R235 isn’t that where Ralph Macchio lives?

If you've ever been to Aberdeen, WA, you'll be amazed that Kurt Cobain didn't kill himself sooner.

Memphis, esp. and Knoxville are both depressing. Nashville is ok. Austin is way past its prime---just a generic sprawlburg.

The Pittsburgh gay community has nothing to do with Queer as Folk. The QAF characters were generally supportive as a community. In Pittsburgh, it’s like middle school with grown men. Just nasty bitches. I’ve never been to any area with so many cunts running around. Move there and consider yourself isolated.

Are you free to move, r243? Sometimes that's all it takes.

I was in Philadelphia last week. I know Philly has a number of beautiful neighborhoods but Center City was awful: ugly buildings, parking lots, parking garages, cheap stores, slobby people.

Gays should also reclaim Centralia, PA!

Is there a no smoking section of town, r246?

[quote]why San Jose?

Ask Miss Warwick.

Davenport, Iowa

Worcester, Massachusetts

Fargo, North Dakota

Jacksonville, Florida

Fort Wayne, Indiana

Reno, Nevada

Albany, New York

Newark, New Jersey

For Southern New England I nominate Providence, RI - got the hell out of the god forsaken city back in January and I never plan to go back.

Portland, OR. I smell Prozac everywhere.

Centralia is the town where even a ride on the Turnpike is like an amusement park!

I agree with the posters about Seattle. There’s something weird about it. I don’t really understand the people or culture. I just moved here.

Paducah

Pacoima

Oshkosh

Walla Walla

King of Prussia

Synecdoche

Agree with most here - though think Seattle, Houston and Philadelphia all have redeeming qualities and are livable. Unlike Camden or Cairo, IL - truly desperate, broken down cities that offer no upside and no hope if you live there.

Is East ST Louis still in trouble?

Let me play it.

In my opinion the top two are the 2 most depressing cities in the US. NYC (Manhattan specifically) has 2 types of people. The poor and the rich. All the people from the outer boroughs who flock into the city every day to work who are struggling to stay above water, or are living packed into small apartments with multiple roommates. NYC is as far from the land of milk and honey as you can get and it fairly slaps that fact into your face day by day.

L.A. may have the sun and the sea, but again it is a town packed to the gills with people who went there to make it big, but are forever stuck in mundane jobs they hate, only to eventually give up and go back where they came from. It really is a town of broken dreams.

Far too many people in NYC and L.A. don't live, they exist. I find that very depressing.

Torrington, CT is creepy and remote as hell.

Why is Modesto creepy? Prim Laci Peterson lived a Martha Stewart life there. I thought it was preppy.

Torrington CT is like the Twilight Zone. That whole area is creepy.

There are much worse places than Torrington. Even Bridgeport is worse. Compared to the towns around it maybe, but I would live in west Torrington before most of the places listed here. (Except NYC and LA - which aren’t depressing cities to me because there is always hope and opportunity unlike depressed poor hopeless cities)

St. Louis is especially depressing because they basically committed suicide in the name if urban renewal when they bulldozed their historic riverfront to build that fucking Gateway Arch. Block after block of buildings that, if they still existed, would rival the best New Orleans and its French Quarter has to offer gone, and the remaining downtown permanently cut off from the City's riverfront.

Dayton used to have ambitious corporate types at Wright-Patterson AFB, NCR, and Mead. They used to value the Wright Brothers heritage. Don't forget a major peace accord was brokered there as recently as 1994.

Then it all went to hell.

And I don't find that depressing, a place that was once important that no longer is. At least they had their day in the sun.

Places that never did, that's a whole different issue.

Interesting - didn’t know that R263. When I was there, the jazz quarter did seem like a weird remnant of an area that ended abruptly. Ow it makes sense. The empty newer high rises nearby are bleak and the area is desolate.

Terre Haute

[quote]Interesting - didn’t know that [R263]. When I was there, the jazz quarter did seem like a weird remnant of an area that ended abruptly. Ow it makes sense. The empty newer high rises nearby are bleak and the area is desolate.

What's really frustrating is that they still haven't learned their lesson. Click the link to see their proposal for a new NFL stadium. They didn't get it, but they were ready to sacrifice even more of their riverfront for a bunch of parking lots and a footballl stadium. Then they wonder why there's nothing happening downtown?

I can't link directly to the picture, but in r263's link there are three photos of the riverfront before demolition in the 30s. The pic on the far right would be prime real estate today. Those would all be loft apartments and storefronts. Terrible they tore all that down.

[quote]Paducah

You can't pooh-pooh Paducah! You can rhyme it if you want with bazooka! It's another name for paradise!

Dayton went to hell when they brought the alien bodies from Roswell to Wright-Patterson AFB.

Settle is a city of romance

I live in rural Pennsylvania and the lead story on the local news reminded me how depressing it can be sometimes. A schizophrenic teenage runaway started a fire in the bathroom of the Dunkin Donuts. It burned down and the locals were acting like it was Notre Dame. People were really worried about how they would get their coffee since the next closest place was 10 miles away.

Wilkes Barre

r263, fascinating! Thanks for the link.

Sheboygan

Huntington and Charleston WV should own this thread. Depressing, obese, uneducated, and gray.

Don't let Yale being in New Haven fool you. New Haven is a cracked-out, gun-toting ghetto mess.

Virginia Beach is a depressing city. Get away from the beach and you have almost 500 square miles of ugly suburban "city," all chain stores and cookie cutter buildings and traffic, packed with Republicans, military, and what seem to be zombies. Like a lot of American places, there's no there there. It's the most depressing city I've ever lived in.

I think Chicago could go on the NOT depressing list. I also liked Boston. Austin was only pleasant in certain small areas that I couldn't afford. Most of it is soulless and suburban and hellishly hot. And it's cut up by a highway.

A lot of DC and definitely its endless ugly suburbs qualify as depressing and ugly. Many of the people drawn there are depressing, ugly, uncreative strivers. The traffic is crippling, so much so that nobody wants to socialize because it's hell to get anywhere.

R278" Many people drawn there are depressing.. strivers ". Yes, and don't forget snobby, despite having no qualities that make them any better than anyone else. So much attitude from people sorely lacking in any attractive qualities. Another factor with the DC suburbs is that even if you can get past the traffic, there really aren't many places to go.

Scranton, PA.

All of rural PA. There is a reason it is called Pennsyltuckey.

R278 nice description of hell in the first paragraph.

The riverfront area torn down in Saint Louis for the Arch comprised run-down slums. There would have been no urban renewal at all if NOT for the Arch. I haven't been there recently, but there were also some areas that maintained the old buildings as nightlife and office areas, like Laclede's Landing. The Arch grounds project that was completed last year has done a much better job of connecting with downtown, which is the way it should have been in the first place. I'm from there and would never care to move back, but there are some really nice areas as well as some horrible slums. There is also a relatively new gay neighborhood that seems to be doing very nicely as well.

[quote]Appalachian coal towns and rural Kentucky

The thing is...they are in beautiful settings. There was a PBS multi-day documentary back in 2006 called "Country Boys". It was set in Eastern Kentucky. I remember participating on the PBS website forums discussing this doc. Everyone agreed although there was poverty, the area was still beautiful.

Looking outside of a window in Waterbury, CT is like watching the credits of [italic]Good Times[/italic].

Waterbury used to be a nice city.

R229 I got really sick in Vega. I drank the water...big mistake.

My family is originally from rural PA. We moved to Syracuse and it was a big step up. Lol!

It was a real downer walking among the 5,000 cherry trees blossoming these past two weeks in Newark's Branch Brook Park (Olmsted Bros., Carrère & Hastings). What a depressing shithole.

The problem in St. Louis is not a lack of old buildings. There is a plethora of historic buildings, large and small, that can (and have) be rehabbed.

The problem in St. Louis is a lack of people. No one wants to live there because of the rampant, incessant crime, both to people and property. Until somebody tackles the crime problem, the population will continue to shrink.

The present plan to re-merge St. Louis City with St. Louis County will be voted down by voters because voters know precisely what it is: an attempt by lazy ass politicians (who have no clue about what to do with St. Louis and it's high crime and dwindling poverty stricken population) to disguise those maladies by playing with numbers and statistics.

The arch is just a carrying handle to pick up the USA with.

[quote]Waterbury used to be a nice city until the goddamn dagos redlined every minority neighborhood to justify calling them “ghettos,” which is a word they coined to justify shoving Jews into one.

Fixed.

Every city with a large Italian-American and/or Catholic population is also full of racists, homophobes, and pedophiles.

Everywhere the Catholic Church goes, poverty, pestilence, prejudice, and pedophilia are sure to follow.

Everywhere organi$ed religion goes, poverty, pestilence, prejudice and pedophilia are sure to follow.

And yet Italy is gorgeous.

R197 is quite right. Seattle is a lovely city in many ways but zero sense of humor. Very weird.

Another totally humorless city: Minneapolis. It's as though no one there has any sense of irony or the surreal. Everything is so white bread, Minneapolis' sense of humor seems to be old Laurel and Hardy movies and new Will Ferrell ones.

Sinclair Lewis may have written a century ago, but a lot of his observations about this very, very boring area are still true.

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[quote]Virginia Beach is a depressing city. Get away from the beach and you have almost 500 square miles of ugly suburban "city," all chain stores and cookie cutter buildings and traffic, packed with Republicans, military, and what seem to be zombies.

Don't forget me!

Most of Northern Virginia is a beige soulless expanse of strip malls and cardboard condos. Alexandria is nice in parts, though.

When I was a boy I was bitterly disappointed to discover the Arch doesn't span the River.

[quote]Everywhere the Catholic Church goes, poverty, pestilence, prejudice, and pedophilia are sure to follow.

You mean like Florence during the Renaissance.

[quote]Everywhere the Catholic Church goes, poverty, pestilence, prejudice, and pedophilia are sure to follow.

Aren't there a lot of Irish Catholics in Massachusetts? I thought it was one of the more prosperous states, or at least Boston is a prosperous city.

Burlington Vermont. Enforced, granola wokeness.

I lived in an Italian neighborhood in Brooklyn years ago, and goddamn that neighborhood was safe. You could walk around in the middle of the night and not have to worry about anything. "The mulignans" were terrified of the Italians and wouldn't set foot in that neighborhood.

[quote]Everywhere the Catholic Church goes, poverty, pestilence, prejudice, and pedophilia are sure to follow.

Aren't the poorest states in the southern U.S. full of Protestants?

Agree with Virginia Beach - seems like it should have potential and know some NYers who moved there to retire. But it was one of the most bleak places I’ve ever had the misfortune of working. And I’ve been to a lot of random towns across the US. Something ugly and soulless and unfriendly about the whole area. Would think the military would mean hot guys - but not that I could see. Even the “beach” is depressing.

Virginia Beach has a lot of Xtian Fundie nutcases. That's where Pat Robertson's church is.

I've found most military towns to be depressing. I think part of what makes DC so unfriendly (apart from the bureaucratic cunts ) is the proximity of the Pentagon. These military types ooze their conservatism and paranoia into the surrounding area . Virginia Beach is no place that I would want to retire, it's trashy like Florida. But their beaches aren't as pretty as Florida.

[quote]You mean like Florence during the Renaissance.

Hey, Buster, I didn't live THAT long ago!

I like luxurious resort towns but Palm Beach, no. As for ticky tacky resort towns, Key West has been spiraling into a shit hole for 30 years. Pity. I imagine it was charming once.

I used to live across the border from Rochester NY and always thought it seemed miserable.

First world problems. :/

Some parts of Toledo, OH are depressing, mostly the north and downtown. That northern part is too much strip shopping centers and ugliness. Some sections have their abandoned and boarded up houses which remind me of nearby Detroit, MI. Yet, all those empty buildings downtown could be something if only business would return. I hope that city has a rebirth. Other areas of Toledo are very nice, esp. the suburbs.

Camden, NJ

A high Italian -American population usually means a safe well maintained solid neighborhood with some good grocery stores and eateries. Not so with some other urban ethnic groups. And yes, Italians want to keep that crap out of their neighborhoods. I can't blame them.

Not to mention the super-hot downlow Italian guys. Hottest fucks ever!

[278] so true about traffic and socializing in the DC surburbs. Even when you make friends, you never see them because it’s at least an hour in the car to get anywhere. Also there aren’t any neighborhood bars or coffeee shops that aren’t Panera-like chains. The only friendly people are immigrants who haven’t learned to be nasty yet.

Bel Air

Cry me a river. You all should try living in Detroit , St Louis or Memphis and than tell me about shitty cities and we are talking about cities not suburbs.

I've never been to Memphis, but I have a cousin who stays there on business and he told me he doesn't like to leave his hotel room. According to him, it's very unsafe.

Hunts Point, WA

Cabot Cove, ME. Staggeringly high murder rate.

Detroit, Memphis and St. Louis all have parts that are very nice and worth seeing. But some of you think the sidewalk outside your mom's house, where you live subterraneanly, is deadly hazardous, so no big surprise you'd have no real life experience about this.

And r320, tell your stupid cousin to stay at a different hotel in a safer part of town. Christ, what fucking idiots the two of you must be, him for telling you that and you for believing it.

I lived in Memphis . Always in the top ten cities of high crime rates. Maybe six blocks. Delta, which Memphis is part of has the worst Bible Belt in the nation

Oh my r323 what a pissy little bitch you are. I have no familiarity with Memphis. My cousin is a well-respected academic and all he told me was that staying in downtown Memphis was pretty shitty.

I'm perfectly content in midtown Manhattan, thanks.

Detroit, St Louis and Memphis deserve their infamy for being desperate, depressing cities with little hope. Sure there may be some nice areas of older architecture and/or safety. But by and large, they are overall dumps and depressing.

R323 So the statistics that rank those cities as having the highest crime rates are false?

S. A. N. J. O. S. E.

Soul crushing and ugly.

I agree with the commentor about Los Angeles. Its populated by people with broken dreams for the most part. I also agree about New Orleans........I drove thru it several years ago and wanted a bathroom break while on Interstate 10 amd I pulled off at the first exit after downtown and it was the slums and smelled and was just hell on earth.

Many medium size cities in the mid west are depressing as they use to be bustling industrial/manufacturing centers when the USA actually made things and now they are slums and meth labs. Specifically rockford illinois is kind of the pits, muncie indiana, peoria illinois, cedar rapids iowa., the quad cities on the Iowa/Illinois border.

Erie, Pennsylvania.

Eerie, indeed. And dreary!

OMG I had to stay there for 6 weeks getting a surgery. Nearly abandoned, Rust Belt town. The whole, historical downtown was dilapidated and empty. Cracks and potholes in every street. Boarded-up factories with patriotic murals. No sidewalks in the suburbs -- lawns just hit the black asphalt or dirt roads.

The bustling "true" center of the town is a chain of strip malls and box stores surrounding the interstate highway. Local news was always reporting on unemployment and the need for jobs.

Their tourism claim-to-fame is a pathetic, mile or two-long peninsula into Lake Erie called Presque Isle with an amusement park, hiking trails and boating. But they hype it as a resort destination with souvenirs, sweatshirts, etc.

It's also colder than a witch's tit on Pluto in the winter.

But Buffalo, N.Y. was even worse. It almost felt like a bombed-out, post-apocalyptic shithole.

So glad I live in the Western U.S.!

Buffalo NY is very depressing. One of those "Twilight Zone" places.

R325, do you have pet rats? You live in Manhattan, so you must have rats.

Los Angeles, California

New York, New York

Chicago, Illinois

Malibu