The Seven are displeased.
NOTRE DAME SEPT ON FIRE!
|by Cersei||reply 392||Last Wednesday at 11:04 AM|
Is the High Sparrow still in the building?
|by Cersei||reply 1||Last Monday at 9:16 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 2||Last Monday at 9:17 AM|
Was it one of the yellow jackets? Is Macron ok?
|by Cersei||reply 3||Last Monday at 9:18 AM|
Looks like the finale of season 6.
|by Cersei||reply 4||Last Monday at 9:20 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 5||Last Monday at 9:21 AM|
They have to stop with the candles. There are perfectly good LED candles now, with Disney technology.
|by Cersei||reply 6||Last Monday at 9:22 AM|
Live coverage streaming.
|by Cersei||reply 7||Last Monday at 9:23 AM|
Twitter's official live coverage.
|by Cersei||reply 8||Last Monday at 9:24 AM|
At least it's not spreading to other buildings. So many candles, kind of inevitable.
|by Cersei||reply 9||Last Monday at 9:25 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 10||Last Monday at 9:29 AM|
Revenge for the Crusades?
|by Cersei||reply 11||Last Monday at 9:30 AM|
Please, don't let it be...?
|by Cersei||reply 12||Last Monday at 9:32 AM|
Hold me, David!
|by Cersei||reply 13||Last Monday at 9:33 AM|
Images dramatiques. Looks like a section where they are renovating. Perhaps a careless worker?
|by Cersei||reply 14||Last Monday at 9:36 AM|
Paris can't catch a break these days.
|by Cersei||reply 15||Last Monday at 9:36 AM|
Mama’s mussy is moist...with tears.
|by Cersei||reply 16||Last Monday at 9:38 AM|
Another live stream. Shit, how do you even begin to extinguish this?!
|by Cersei||reply 17||Last Monday at 9:40 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 18||Last Monday at 9:40 AM|
OP, please learn DL etiquette before starting a +++ Breaking +++ thread.
|by Cersei||reply 19||Last Monday at 9:40 AM|
All those people, just looking on in disbelief.
|by Cersei||reply 20||Last Monday at 9:42 AM|
Part of it just collapsed.
|by Cersei||reply 21||Last Monday at 9:42 AM|
It looks to me like the fire is dying down?
|by Cersei||reply 22||Last Monday at 9:43 AM|
God, it's going to be so expensive to repair. LVMH and Kering are funding a lot of historical restorations. Maybe they'll team up for this one.
|by Cersei||reply 23||Last Monday at 9:45 AM|
Jokes aside, this is heartbreaking.
|by Cersei||reply 24||Last Monday at 9:46 AM|
Dear fucking God. Donnie just Tweeted advice about how they should deal with it.
Donald J. Trump Verified account
@realDonaldTrump 6m6 minutes ago
So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!
|by Cersei||reply 25||Last Monday at 9:46 AM|
Has anyone visited Fondation Louis Vuitton?
|by Cersei||reply 26||Last Monday at 9:47 AM|
It’s going to collapse, isn’t it? Sad.
|by Cersei||reply 27||Last Monday at 9:47 AM|
A priest and an altar boy knocked over a candle whilst engaging in vigorous coitus (now interruptus).
|by Cersei||reply 28||Last Monday at 9:47 AM|
Fondazione Prada does nice work, too, and not just in Italy.
|by Cersei||reply 29||Last Monday at 9:48 AM|
I can't believe the turd just tweeted that out.
|by Cersei||reply 30||Last Monday at 9:48 AM|
Those "flying water tankers" drop the water with such force that it would collapse the cathedral instantly. And you can't do that shit on just one building in a crowded city, Jesus!
|by Cersei||reply 31||Last Monday at 9:50 AM|
It collapsed, but the people who are calling in are trying to act like this is 9/11.
|by Cersei||reply 32||Last Monday at 9:51 AM|
Damn, I can't believe the Notre Dame cathedral is no more.
|by Cersei||reply 33||Last Monday at 9:52 AM|
This is a real tragedy. We can only hope that it can be restored/rebuilt as successfully as Windsor castle was after the fire in the nineties.
|by Cersei||reply 34||Last Monday at 9:52 AM|
The fire department has said they are working on a large operation to put the fire out, but I've only seen one photo of firefighters anywhere near there. It's so crowded, I don't know how they could get to it in time.
|by Cersei||reply 35||Last Monday at 9:52 AM|
French guys are so cute when they're boyish.
|by Cersei||reply 36||Last Monday at 9:53 AM|
#NotreDame: 'The roof has entirely collapsed, there are flames coming out the back of the cathedral as if it was a torch'
@charli, Journalist at France 24, at the scene of the fire.
|by Cersei||reply 37||Last Monday at 9:53 AM|
Who is going to pay for the reconstruction? The Catholic Church has exclusive rights to use the church for religious uses, however the French state actually owns it under a 1905 law.
|by Cersei||reply 38||Last Monday at 9:53 AM|
What can you expect from France who elects people like Bridget MAcron as president
|by Cersei||reply 39||Last Monday at 9:54 AM|
This actually makes me incredibly sad. I'm seeing a poster saying its collapsed, I hope they are incorrect.
|by Cersei||reply 40||Last Monday at 9:54 AM|
Who’s the guy at R36?
|by Cersei||reply 41||Last Monday at 9:55 AM|
r40, the spire and roof has collapsed.
|by Cersei||reply 42||Last Monday at 9:55 AM|
The spire has collapsed now, as has part of the roof.
|by Cersei||reply 43||Last Monday at 9:56 AM|
(Sorry. I am as sad and shocked as many are by the fire.)
|by Cersei||reply 44||Last Monday at 9:56 AM|
Was it a bimm?
|by Cersei||reply 45||Last Monday at 9:56 AM|
Quasimodo is trending on Twitter
|by Cersei||reply 46||Last Monday at 9:56 AM|
Huge fucking inferno. Reminds me of watchng the towers burn on 9/11. Awful.
|by Cersei||reply 47||Last Monday at 9:57 AM|
R41, dunno, Google Images isn't helping.
|by Cersei||reply 48||Last Monday at 9:57 AM|
If it’s arson, I hope they get medieval on the perp.
I don’t care what religion you are, even if you’re an atheist it has historical value.
|by Cersei||reply 49||Last Monday at 9:57 AM|
Somebody did something in Paris today.
|by Cersei||reply 50||Last Monday at 9:58 AM|
All that beautiful art work, priceless altar pieces and statues. So sad...
|by Cersei||reply 51||Last Monday at 9:58 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 52||Last Monday at 9:58 AM|
Video of the spire falling
|by Cersei||reply 53||Last Monday at 9:59 AM|
I seem to recall them moving the statuary from the altar area just a few weeks ago.
|by Cersei||reply 54||Last Monday at 9:59 AM|
The moment the spire fell.
|by Cersei||reply 55||Last Monday at 10:00 AM|
From Wikipedia regarding the spire:
"The rooster at the summit of the spire contains three relics; a tiny piece of the Crown of Thorns, located in the treasury of the Cathedral; and relics of Denis and Saint Genevieve, patron saints of Paris. They were placed there in 1935 by the Archibishop Verdier, to protect the congregation from lightning or other harm."
Guess that didn't work.
|by Cersei||reply 56||Last Monday at 10:02 AM|
It spread way too fast for it to be an accident. Got to be arson for it to be fully engulfed that quickly.
|by Cersei||reply 57||Last Monday at 10:02 AM|
Paris has been destroying itself for years and completely destroying its great heritage. The Parisians deserve this.
|by Cersei||reply 58||Last Monday at 10:04 AM|
I have to admit my first thought was that it must be deliberate. There's been so much unrest in Paris in recent years, due to Islamic terrorists and the yellow shirts.
|by Cersei||reply 59||Last Monday at 10:04 AM|
I see scaffolding in the area between the spire and the twin square towers that form the entry -- a renovation accident?
|by Cersei||reply 60||Last Monday at 10:05 AM|
#BREAKING Reported explosion at the Port of Los Angeles. Police and fire crews on scene.
|by Cersei||reply 61||Last Monday at 10:05 AM|
Ffs how much publicity do they need for the final season of GoT?
|by Cersei||reply 62||Last Monday at 10:05 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 63||Last Monday at 10:06 AM|
R56 It was Hitler they needed protecting from.
|by Cersei||reply 64||Last Monday at 10:06 AM|
Horrible. I was just recently in Paris and also went to see ND but just from the outside. Can’t believe this is happening. I can’t imagine what locals are feeling. R58 No they don’t.
|by Cersei||reply 65||Last Monday at 10:07 AM|
MSNBC: Paris police consider the fire accidental.
|by Cersei||reply 66||Last Monday at 10:07 AM|
R42 r43 Oh no! I adore European architecture and was hoping the reports of collapse were false. Hopefully they can manage some sort of reconstruction. If it was arson, this was fucking despicable.
|by Cersei||reply 67||Last Monday at 10:07 AM|
R50: Die in a grease fire, you trash.
|by Cersei||reply 68||Last Monday at 10:08 AM|
It's crazy that in this day and age, all the firefighters can do is stand by and watch it burn.
|by Cersei||reply 69||Last Monday at 10:09 AM|
r66 Yeah, so a renovation-related accident, then. The worker(s) must have called the fire department immediately. Too bad it was too big to subdue.
|by Cersei||reply 70||Last Monday at 10:10 AM|
I hope the evacuation was successful. The fire is massive.
|by Cersei||reply 71||Last Monday at 10:10 AM|
Macron going on-scene. Watch your cute little ass, Manu!
|by Cersei||reply 72||Last Monday at 10:12 AM|
R69, well according to Donald Dumb, they should throw some flying water tanks on the building and that might do.
Donald showing off his all-encompassing knowledge again.
|by Cersei||reply 73||Last Monday at 10:13 AM|
And Muslim is a religion of piece.
|by Cersei||reply 74||Last Monday at 10:13 AM|
R66 It is much too early for authorities to be considering it accidental or otherwise. You can't investigate while the building is still burning. Also, it is the fire authorities that determine the cause of fires not the police.
|by Cersei||reply 75||Last Monday at 10:14 AM|
Tell it to MSNBC, R75. Just passing along what they're reporting.
|by Cersei||reply 76||Last Monday at 10:15 AM|
I hope there were birds living in the crooks of the cathedral who died as a result of this. Is it bird nesting season? Baby birds, etc. Same with other animals.
|by Cersei||reply 77||Last Monday at 10:17 AM|
They're probably going on information from an emergency call, like someone else said earlier in the thread.
|by Cersei||reply 78||Last Monday at 10:17 AM|
It will be like Fenice in Venice. Even if they rebuild it it will not be Notre Dame.
This cathedral has been using candles for how long? This has to be arson.
Just like Venice arson to hide behind schedule work.
|by Cersei||reply 79||Last Monday at 10:17 AM|
Anyone have the name of the model at R36? Cute Frenchman.
|by Cersei||reply 80||Last Monday at 10:17 AM|
R76 Well that just reinforces my feelings about MSNBC's quality of journalism.
|by Cersei||reply 81||Last Monday at 10:18 AM|
I'm sure all the art was digitally documented and preserved in that way. The building was photographed etc. from every angle, so it can be rebuilt.
|by Cersei||reply 82||Last Monday at 10:18 AM|
Maybe they should build an interfaith center there instead of rebuilding the cathedral!
|by Cersei||reply 83||Last Monday at 10:19 AM|
Ew, R36 is not cute.
|by Cersei||reply 84||Last Monday at 10:19 AM|
According to what was just reported on CBS, French authorities are saying that the entire building is in flames now.
|by Cersei||reply 85||Last Monday at 10:19 AM|
R84, then show me a cute Frenchman. He's so cute ... ?
|by Cersei||reply 86||Last Monday at 10:20 AM|
The sky was so blue that day...
|by Cersei||reply 87||Last Monday at 10:20 AM|
Ta gueule! R58
|by Cersei||reply 88||Last Monday at 10:20 AM|
Oh yeah, R85. Are you away from a video stream? It's destroyed.
|by Cersei||reply 89||Last Monday at 10:20 AM|
Apparently the fire broke out around about the time the cathedral was closing. That makes me think it's less likely to be the result of terrorism. Terrorists would want to attack at a time when as many people as possible were in the building.
|by Cersei||reply 90||Last Monday at 10:20 AM|
R58, that's kind of harsh.
|by Cersei||reply 91||Last Monday at 10:20 AM|
Thank God the Tour Montparnasse and La Defense are still standing!
|by Cersei||reply 92||Last Monday at 10:21 AM|
R84, please post a pic of a cute French guy. I'm seriously curious what's cute to you. TIA. Not being sarcastic or aggressive -- just genuinely curious. That guy's the quintessential French boy type.
|by Cersei||reply 93||Last Monday at 10:21 AM|
R74 big, juicy, cut pieces?
|by Cersei||reply 94||Last Monday at 10:21 AM|
r75 It's not too early if the workers themselves called the fire department and told them what went wrong.
|by Cersei||reply 95||Last Monday at 10:21 AM|
Closing time is packed, R90.
|by Cersei||reply 96||Last Monday at 10:22 AM|
[quote]I hope there were birds living in the crooks of the cathedral who died as a result of this. Is it bird nesting season? Baby birds, etc. Same with other animals.
Why would you even post this? We don't care that you want baby birds to burn to death, weirdo.
|by Cersei||reply 97||Last Monday at 10:22 AM|
R86 R93 French-Brazilian Orlando Baronne
|by Cersei||reply 98||Last Monday at 10:22 AM|
R81: You are DESPERATE for this to be arson, aren't you?
R74: OH, DEAR. OH, DEAR. OH! DEAR!
|by Cersei||reply 99||Last Monday at 10:23 AM|
What do Bardot and Delon have to say about this?
|by Cersei||reply 100||Last Monday at 10:23 AM|
Sorry, R97, I meant "weren't baby birds" -- jesus, total typo - who'd want baby bird to burn to death. Sorry about the typo.
|by Cersei||reply 101||Last Monday at 10:23 AM|
It's not arson, probably. It was a fire on a work site. Or candles.
|by Cersei||reply 102||Last Monday at 10:24 AM|
[quote]jesus, total typo - who'd want baby bird to burn to death
Okay. We just have a lot of trolls on these threads and it's not really easy to tell who is who on DL anymore.
|by Cersei||reply 103||Last Monday at 10:25 AM|
R95 It is still too early because even if workers called it in that isn't proof of an accident. There was a fire near me where a worker called it in as an accident, after the fire officials did their investigation it was determined that the worker set the fire deliberately, then called it in as an accident to try and cover his tracks. So at this point it is nothing more than speculation.
|by Cersei||reply 104||Last Monday at 10:26 AM|
It's going to cost billions to restore this. The EU will pour tons of money into it. LVMH better step up.
R103, yeah, seriously I wish I could delete R77, because I don't want anyone to think that it's ok to want that. I'm vegan and all about animal rights (INFP here). I hope people see my reply at R101.
|by Cersei||reply 105||Last Monday at 10:26 AM|
Notre Dame de Paris:
- 200 ans pour être construite
- 700 ans d’existence
- 5 minutes pour prendre feu
Tout ne tiens qu’à un fil
|by Cersei||reply 106||Last Monday at 10:28 AM|
I can't imagine being this close to those flames.
|by Cersei||reply 107||Last Monday at 10:28 AM|
R101 I figured you meant "I hope there weren't ". That's absolutely heartbreaking if they were there , on top of this already tragic destruction.
|by Cersei||reply 108||Last Monday at 10:29 AM|
R108, absolutely. Absolutely the worst typo I've ever made on DL. Please see R105.
|by Cersei||reply 109||Last Monday at 10:31 AM|
It is highly possible it cannot be restored, R105, certainly you can not replicate work centuries old; it’s not the same thing.
Tragic. A global cultural loss. Like when Isis purposefully destroyed the Gates of Palmyra.
|by Cersei||reply 110||Last Monday at 10:31 AM|
Stop with the candle shit. God knows how many candles have been lit here in 700 years.
Even if everything is recreated using digital technology it is nothing more than a counterfeit and therefore worth nothing more than the material it took to recreate it.
|by Cersei||reply 111||Last Monday at 10:33 AM|
I hope Google scanned the entire place. Microsoft was the first to do that with art, when they came out with those CD-ROMs with highly detailed scanned of famous works.
|by Cersei||reply 112||Last Monday at 10:33 AM|
[quote]Notre Dame spokesman Andre Finot tells French media the entire wooden interior of the 12th-century landmark is burning and likely to be destroyed: 'Nothing will remain from the frame.'
[quote]“Everything is burning. The framework, which dates from the 19th century on one side and the 13th century on the other, there will be nothing left." ~ Andre Finot, spokesperson for Notre Dame Cathedral
|by Cersei||reply 113||Last Monday at 10:34 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 114||Last Monday at 10:35 AM|
Windsor Castle had a major fire in 1992 and they were able to do a full restoration. The fires look so similar.
|by Cersei||reply 115||Last Monday at 10:36 AM|
Good Lord, this is supposed to be Holy Week.
|by Cersei||reply 116||Last Monday at 10:36 AM|
Devastating. I was in London this summer and thought about jumping over to Paris but figured "Next Time."
I've never been a religious person, but as a piece of history and architecture...Fuck.
|by Cersei||reply 117||Last Monday at 10:38 AM|
French male models chatting. One's dressed like a whore.
|by Cersei||reply 118||Last Monday at 10:38 AM|
Catholics have got to be freaking out right now, R116.
|by Cersei||reply 119||Last Monday at 10:38 AM|
I had to Google "holy week."
|by Cersei||reply 120||Last Monday at 10:39 AM|
Is Olivia DeHavilland in danger?!?
|by Cersei||reply 121||Last Monday at 10:39 AM|
God's revenge on the French for turning away from Catholicism, the accepting of a tsunami of anti Christian pagans and Jerry Lewis.
|by Cersei||reply 122||Last Monday at 10:40 AM|
How many paintings were in the church?
|by Cersei||reply 123||Last Monday at 10:40 AM|
Trump said Paris isn't Paris anymore. Now he's slightly right.
|by Cersei||reply 124||Last Monday at 10:40 AM|
R119, more artists and architects are weeping.
|by Cersei||reply 125||Last Monday at 10:40 AM|
Suzette Jour a-t-elle fait une déclaration?
|by Cersei||reply 126||Last Monday at 10:40 AM|
NBC News stream.
|by Cersei||reply 127||Last Monday at 10:41 AM|
Horrible! As a Roman Catholic, it’s breaking my heart.
|by Cersei||reply 128||Last Monday at 10:42 AM|
Sky News also reported it as a construction accident and said that the wood interior just acted like massive fuel.
|by Cersei||reply 129||Last Monday at 10:42 AM|
Fucking evil if intentional. Fucking bastards. Disgusting.
|by Cersei||reply 130||Last Monday at 10:42 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 131||Last Monday at 10:42 AM|
Construction started in 1160. Jeeze.
|by Cersei||reply 132||Last Monday at 10:43 AM|
It’s odd that this is occurring on Holy Week.
|by Cersei||reply 133||Last Monday at 10:43 AM|
Imagine being the worker responsible for this.
|by Cersei||reply 134||Last Monday at 10:43 AM|
A witness describes it as "the loss of Christianity in Europe."
|by Cersei||reply 135||Last Monday at 10:43 AM|
Heartbreaking. If people need a safe place to live that’s fine but there seems to be something in a certain group that doesn’t allow them to be flexible. They have to conquer. They are “helping us” by doing this. 😏
They just said the hull of the Cathedral has burned. They are trying to get what art they can.
I’m so glad I saw Paris when I did. Before the....problems.
|by Cersei||reply 136||Last Monday at 10:43 AM|
[quote]How many paintings were in the church?
|by Cersei||reply 137||Last Monday at 10:44 AM|
R118 Eww, cigarettes. Why the fuck do these models smoke so much?
|by Cersei||reply 138||Last Monday at 10:45 AM|
Sky news also said SOME of the art work was removed because of the construction. That's SOME not ALL.
|by Cersei||reply 139||Last Monday at 10:46 AM|
R136, do you think the chance is high that it was what you're implying? If so - holy fuck.
|by Cersei||reply 140||Last Monday at 10:46 AM|
[quote]It’s odd that this is occurring on Holy Week.
It’s biblical. Or deMillian, depending which side your bread is buttered on.
|by Cersei||reply 141||Last Monday at 10:46 AM|
R101, I genuinely thought for a moment there that we had an anti-baby bird troll on DL
|by Cersei||reply 142||Last Monday at 10:46 AM|
I want to see Jordan Levine top the model at R36.
|by Cersei||reply 143||Last Monday at 10:46 AM|
I believe it’s probably terrorism. Holy Week.
|by Cersei||reply 144||Last Monday at 10:46 AM|
If it were terrorism, wouldn't they have started the fire in a more public way? Or at the very least, claimed credit by now? The whole point of terrorism is attention, ladies.
|by Cersei||reply 145||Last Monday at 10:48 AM|
Sky News is saying at least one ofmthe famous stained glass windows is intact. Possibly a second. But one was completely destroyed. The famous bells in the towers appear to be fine at the moment.
|by Cersei||reply 146||Last Monday at 10:49 AM|
R142, yeah, I feel bad about that typo. I really am sorry. If "baby bird" is in a sentence, it's 99.9999% in reference to love for them, so there's at least that, so people are very likely to realize it's a typo. I remember every article I've read about baby birds being hurt by tree trimming (falling out of their nests while their mothers fly above and squawk in helpless panic), etc. It's awful.
|by Cersei||reply 147||Last Monday at 10:49 AM|
If someone actually did this intentionally, how could someone do something like that? Fucking crazy. It's everyone's cultural heritage. Why the fuck.... I have chills at the thought that it was intentional. Fuck.
|by Cersei||reply 148||Last Monday at 10:50 AM|
Apparently it started where then work was being done, r148.
|by Cersei||reply 149||Last Monday at 10:51 AM|
That’s a shame ™
|by Cersei||reply 150||Last Monday at 10:51 AM|
😩 Je Suis Notre Dame !
|by Cersei||reply 151||Last Monday at 10:52 AM|
That makes sense. I'm sure it was an accident.
|by Cersei||reply 152||Last Monday at 10:52 AM|
R148 .. some people are awful.
|by Cersei||reply 153||Last Monday at 10:53 AM|
Jesus, looks like it just flared up again.
|by Cersei||reply 154||Last Monday at 10:53 AM|
[quote]Live reports suggest that the fire is starting to be contained. Fire officials say that the renovation work being on the cathedral is being investigated as a possible cause of the blaze.
|by Cersei||reply 155||Last Monday at 10:53 AM|
Please leave now, r58.
|by Cersei||reply 156||Last Monday at 10:55 AM|
R155, sky News has a live stream. It looks like it flared up again and badly. Also looks like the scaffolding is impeding efforts.
|by Cersei||reply 157||Last Monday at 10:55 AM|
So much misinformation, the roof is the only wooden part of the cathedral, everything else is stone, including the stone vaulted ceiling. The roof can burn, and have no effect on the interior. So far it appears the only thing burning is the roof, there is no evidence the interior is on fire, the vaulting may still be completely intact.
|by Cersei||reply 158||Last Monday at 10:57 AM|
Some of you are WAY too excited at the possibility this could be terrorism.
|by Cersei||reply 159||Last Monday at 10:58 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 160||Last Monday at 10:59 AM|
R159: And they're using emojis to be coy about it....assholes.
|by Cersei||reply 161||Last Monday at 11:00 AM|
r158, I'm watching a live feed. The interior is very much on fire. There were wooden seats all around. Wooden confessionals. You're the one with the misinformation not Sky News.
|by Cersei||reply 162||Last Monday at 11:00 AM|
[quote]The roof can burn, and have no effect on the interior.
No, not at all true -- the wooden structure will fall into the rest of the structure and burn wooden fixtures, artwork, pews, all number of flammable things. The stained glass will break and the structure will be compromised from the heat and the strain of collapse of the roof.
|by Cersei||reply 163||Last Monday at 11:02 AM|
How could they let this happen!?
|by Cersei||reply 164||Last Monday at 11:04 AM|
Are French male Insta-whores on the scene?
|by Cersei||reply 165||Last Monday at 11:04 AM|
This is the end of an era. You can't possibly put out a fire of this magnitude without a major miracle. We can only hope ..............
|by Cersei||reply 166||Last Monday at 11:05 AM|
Cute French guys on the subway.
|by Cersei||reply 167||Last Monday at 11:05 AM|
Yeah, r158, is an asshole. I see the rose Window is still intact although I'm not sure how much heat damage there may be..
on a tangent -- Michelle Obama is there. So at least we have some dignified representation there.
|by Cersei||reply 168||Last Monday at 11:05 AM|
The French really need to get their shit together.
|by Cersei||reply 169||Last Monday at 11:06 AM|
Wow, looks like the flames are even worse now.
|by Cersei||reply 170||Last Monday at 11:07 AM|
How soon until we get a name?
|by Cersei||reply 171||Last Monday at 11:10 AM|
R158 CBS said the roof had collapsed and the interior is engulfed in flames. They mentioned pews and altars burning.
|by Cersei||reply 172||Last Monday at 11:11 AM|
Actually, it's apparently almost out, per the Guardian live blog:
Emma O’Carroll who works in haut couture in Paris in a nearby fashion studio says that the fire appears to be under control.
It looks like the fire is under control. There are hardly any flames now. People are just wandering around flabbergasted. There are thousands of people on the streets. Police have pushed us back to nearly 1km away.
There are helicopters, a huge crane dousing the flying buttresses with water. There are police on the river, stopping all the bateaux mouche (the tour boats) going by.
It looks like it started at the back around the scaffolding where refurbishment was going on. It is unbelievable, it’s just such a sad day.
|by Cersei||reply 173||Last Monday at 11:11 AM|
It's getting darker so you can see the flames much better than in the evening light, simple as that.
|by Cersei||reply 174||Last Monday at 11:11 AM|
R171: The name is Notre Dame, Rose.
|by Cersei||reply 175||Last Monday at 11:12 AM|
Well that renovation just got a bit bigger, didn't it.
|by Cersei||reply 176||Last Monday at 11:12 AM|
Front left tower is burning. That rose window is in peril. Please, no!!!
|by Cersei||reply 177||Last Monday at 11:12 AM|
April 15th...same day as the Boston Marathon bombing occurred. Coincidence?
|by Cersei||reply 178||Last Monday at 11:14 AM|
This song seems appropriate for the occasion
|by Cersei||reply 179||Last Monday at 11:14 AM|
Weird. NBC stream just showed a bunch of rich old people eating dinner nearby.
|by Cersei||reply 180||Last Monday at 11:14 AM|
Not much French porn, is there?
|by Cersei||reply 181||Last Monday at 11:15 AM|
Emma O'Carroll needs an eye exam.
|by Cersei||reply 182||Last Monday at 11:15 AM|
R181: TPLF, French spanking porn. They're out of business but you can find their videos on Pornhub. Great cultural learning experience.
|by Cersei||reply 183||Last Monday at 11:16 AM|
Lincoln also died on April 15th so clearly, it's a massive Freemason conspiracy, R178.
|by Cersei||reply 184||Last Monday at 11:17 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 185||Last Monday at 11:17 AM|
Notre Dame spokesperson " Everything is burning. Nothing will remain from the frame."
|by Cersei||reply 186||Last Monday at 11:19 AM|
Where is God?
|by Cersei||reply 187||Last Monday at 11:19 AM|
Where did you see that, R186?
|by Cersei||reply 188||Last Monday at 11:20 AM|
R187 on a cigarette break, Rose
|by Cersei||reply 189||Last Monday at 11:21 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 190||Last Monday at 11:21 AM|
Too bad I'm not in Paris.
|by Cersei||reply 191||Last Monday at 11:21 AM|
ABC News r188. Message currently posted at the bottom of my TV screen.
|by Cersei||reply 192||Last Monday at 11:23 AM|
French decathlete - gay friendly.
|by Cersei||reply 193||Last Monday at 11:23 AM|
It's been quoted for a while, R188, including in this thread.
|by Cersei||reply 194||Last Monday at 11:24 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 195||Last Monday at 11:24 AM|
What's the French version of Sean Cody?
|by Cersei||reply 196||Last Monday at 11:24 AM|
"I think what's so emotional right now is I can hear people in the streets singing. They're singing and praying and watching this billowing fire continue to persist," said @Victoria_WDBJ7, who is staying nearby the Notre Dame
|by Cersei||reply 197||Last Monday at 11:26 AM|
R193 French De Catholíque ?
|by Cersei||reply 198||Last Monday at 11:26 AM|
I can't breath!
|by Cersei||reply 199||Last Monday at 11:26 AM|
Keumgay is the big French porn site.
|by Cersei||reply 200||Last Monday at 11:29 AM|
Why is NBC showing Sky News?
|by Cersei||reply 201||Last Monday at 11:30 AM|
Sky News said that water Is being aimed at the left tower and that it MAY be as a precaution. So far no fire seen in the left tower but it's inching closer.
And it's NOT under control as peopke have been posting.
|by Cersei||reply 202||Last Monday at 11:31 AM|
The towers and that Rose Window are still standing. It appears and is being reported that the remainder is gone. Restoration work "has not been ruled out" as a possible cause.
|by Cersei||reply 203||Last Monday at 11:33 AM|
Isn't Macron giving a speech soon?
|by Cersei||reply 204||Last Monday at 11:33 AM|
Speech cancelled. He’s on the scene, getting briefed at a police station.
|by Cersei||reply 205||Last Monday at 11:37 AM|
Terrorism, I really do think so. Particularly if Macron is getting a briefing.
Fuck religion, the root of most terrorism.
|by Cersei||reply 206||Last Monday at 11:39 AM|
The literal centre of Paris. The #NotreDame is located at kilometre zéro, the point from which all distances in the city are measured.
|by Cersei||reply 207||Last Monday at 11:41 AM|
I saw scaffolding in the pictures...were they restoring it? Is this a robbery in disguise? Lots of valuable art work!
|by Cersei||reply 208||Last Monday at 11:41 AM|
Sky New- french fire department: next hour and a hald crucial to see if fire can be contained.
|by Cersei||reply 209||Last Monday at 11:42 AM|
Why couldn't it have been that eyesore Eiffel tower instead??
|by Cersei||reply 210||Last Monday at 11:43 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 211||Last Monday at 11:43 AM|
all I want to know is how is the inside, is it burning, drowned in water? There are so many paintings, huges, that cannot be move easily. Some time there's more damage from the firemen's water than from the fire. Neighbours are being evacuated.
|by Cersei||reply 212||Last Monday at 11:44 AM|
Sky News also said stone vault MAY protect artwork.
One ofnthe towers is now on fire. Hopefully the rose Window remains unbroken.
|by Cersei||reply 213||Last Monday at 11:47 AM|
How does stone burn?
|by Cersei||reply 214||Last Monday at 11:50 AM|
I hope the gargoyles survive--they are my favorite part of the Cathedral. They are so cute.
|by Cersei||reply 215||Last Monday at 11:51 AM|
Hot French guy
|by Cersei||reply 216||Last Monday at 11:52 AM|
Are there nude photos of hot homosexual Macron?
|by Cersei||reply 217||Last Monday at 11:53 AM|
Sky News interrupted guest to say reports that the cathedral may not be able to be saved.
|by Cersei||reply 218||Last Monday at 11:55 AM|
I want to vomit.
How much more over-the-top shitty news do we need to endure on a daily basis?
Why couldn't it have been Mar-a-Lago?
|by Cersei||reply 219||Last Monday at 11:55 AM|
The footage reminded me of the paintings that were removed from the hallway in Rosemary's Baby.
|by Cersei||reply 220||Last Monday at 11:57 AM|
Probably started from a worker's discarded cigarette butt.
|by Cersei||reply 221||Last Monday at 11:58 AM|
I'm assuming this is some kind of terrorism? How could this happen by accident
|by Cersei||reply 222||Last Monday at 11:58 AM|
I wonder if the treasury is affected and if they were able to get things out before the fire reached it.
|by Cersei||reply 223||Last Monday at 12:00 PM|
Imagine if you were the construction worker who started the fire that burned down Notre Dame
|by Cersei||reply 224||Last Monday at 12:01 PM|
This is so sad
|by Cersei||reply 225||Last Monday at 12:02 PM|
[quote]but there seems to be something in a certain group that doesn’t allow them to be flexible. They have to conquer. They are “helping us” by doing this
I don't see how the Jews benefit from this -- no I have to disagree.
|by Cersei||reply 226||Last Monday at 12:02 PM|
Singing in the street. This made me tear up.
|by Cersei||reply 227||Last Monday at 12:03 PM|
R224 He's probably jumped into the Seine by now.
|by Cersei||reply 228||Last Monday at 12:03 PM|
The restorers are doing an excellent job. The cathedral has stood all this time, survived both world wars, and now it gets seriously damaged in the 21st century.
|by Cersei||reply 229||Last Monday at 12:04 PM|
Accidental fires happen on construction sites a lot. Electrical equipment + an old, fragile structure...
|by Cersei||reply 230||Last Monday at 12:08 PM|
They need to quit singing and grab some buckets!
|by Cersei||reply 231||Last Monday at 12:11 PM|
Heartbreaking, such an enormous loss.
|by Cersei||reply 232||Last Monday at 12:13 PM|
r224, I would be able to live with myself, I would definitely take my own life.
|by Cersei||reply 233||Last Monday at 12:14 PM|
who are the construction workers? Are they in a union? I'm guessing they were being cheap and used non-union workers and thus creating this "accident". Lots of construction accidents and deaths over here as they use cheap(and often illegal) labor now.
|by Cersei||reply 234||Last Monday at 12:16 PM|
Cunts definitely wanted the Art work...
|by Cersei||reply 235||Last Monday at 12:16 PM|
[quote] A witness describes it as "the loss of Christianity in Europe."
Catholics are apostate pagans, who broke away from the original Christian church in 1054.
|by Cersei||reply 236||Last Monday at 12:25 PM|
|by Cersei||reply 237||Last Monday at 12:25 PM|
[quote] Those "flying water tankers" drop the water with such force that it would collapse the cathedral instantly.
R31, the roof and spire collapsed anyway from the gigantic engulfing fire. They might as well have dosed it from above. The bigger problem was that the fire spread so rapidly, like a house made up of matches - they didn't have enough time to organise aerial firefighting helicopters.
[quote] And you can't do that shit on just one building in a crowded city, Jesus!
No, the Notre Dame is not in a crowded area - it's on a separate island. It's on one side of an open-space square, with only a few other structures flanking it.
|by Cersei||reply 238||Last Monday at 12:35 PM|
"Restoration"...what is that about?
|by Cersei||reply 239||Last Monday at 12:43 PM|
This seems to be the aerial view of the fire from above. Roof is gone. There's a gaping hole where the spire was.
|by Cersei||reply 240||Last Monday at 12:48 PM|
|by Cersei||reply 241||Last Monday at 12:50 PM|
I feel for the Parisian Catholics. Easter Masses at les cathédrales restantes will be packed!
|by Cersei||reply 242||Last Monday at 1:01 PM|
I'm so glad Dump weighed in though, because a guy who calls airtankers "flying water tankers" is clearly the world's leading authority on firefighting in metropolitan areas.
Is he ever not a national embarrassment? Can he ever not be a know-it-all? You know what's going to happen -- if the cathedral collapses (God forbid), he'll tweet "I told them to bring in the flying fire hydrants but they didn't listen and now look."
|by Cersei||reply 243||Last Monday at 1:09 PM|
R242, at least he didn't tweet something truly vile like he normally does.
|by Cersei||reply 244||Last Monday at 1:14 PM|
The night is young, R244!
|by Cersei||reply 245||Last Monday at 1:15 PM|
The conspiracy theorists seriously need to shut the fuck up.
|by Cersei||reply 246||Last Monday at 1:29 PM|
r246, ...then don't link to hoaxes
|by Cersei||reply 247||Last Monday at 1:32 PM|
A car carrier big rig exploded around the #PortofLA this AM, causing this #SanPedro resident’s windows to shatter. The Vietnam vet said the blast sounded like a 500lb bomb. @ABC7
|by Cersei||reply 248||Last Monday at 1:36 PM|
R201: Because they won them. Murdoch sold almost everything in the last sale. Disney got into a bidding war with Comcast for Sky Europe and Comcast/NBCuniversal won. They have the Sky Satellite service in the UK, Ireland, Germany and Italy. And all the channels that Sky owned. I wouldn't be surprised if MSNBC is eventually re-branded as Sky News America.
|by Cersei||reply 249||Last Monday at 1:38 PM|
I for one blame Meghan Markle. Very clever, Sunshine Sachs, but we're on to you!
|by Cersei||reply 250||Last Monday at 1:39 PM|
Tomorrow's front page of French newspaper @libe reads 'Notre Drame'
|by Cersei||reply 251||Last Monday at 1:39 PM|
r248, while that is indeed sad, it in no way compares to the tragedy of Notre Damn collapsing.
|by Cersei||reply 252||Last Monday at 1:39 PM|
Leftists are already declaring this is insignificant because of France’s colonialism and this is a white privilege structure, no one cared about the mosques burned down.
|by Cersei||reply 253||Last Monday at 1:39 PM|
R253: Sure, Jan.
R248: The conspiracy crazed lunatics want to pretend these were both related terrorist attacks.
|by Cersei||reply 254||Last Monday at 1:41 PM|
Trump is telling the French that water is not heavy and would not have damaged the cathedral..."if they would only listen".
|by Cersei||reply 255||Last Monday at 1:42 PM|
Sad but redesign long overdue. Trump will rebuild Paris! Get rid of that goddamn lepprakon. Build spear 20 feet taller. Brass-and-glass elevators to top of spear. Replace old windows with gold mirror. Add stepped facade w/ shiny brass lettering. Too old. Nobody remembers what the hell that building even was. Sign will help. Beautiful! Classy!
|by Cersei||reply 256||Last Monday at 1:43 PM|
R243, no offence to the French, but the Parisian firefighters and security planners are clearly not the "world's leading authority on firefighting in metropolitan areas" either.
There were planned restoration works on a world heritage site (with a wooden core), one of the most important and iconic buildings in France. Some kind of fire-safeguard plan (or at least emergency response plan) should have been in place. But it appears everybody was caught offguard and nothing extra-effective was organised. A big part of the cathedral burned down. A few hoses is more a containment strategy, not exactly "the world's best" anti-fire strategy.
|by Cersei||reply 257||Last Monday at 1:43 PM|
April 15th is a day for mourning so much loss... 🌹 #NeverForgotten
1865 President Lincoln passed after being shot.
1912 RMS Titanic sinks with the loss of hundreds of lives.
2013 Boston Bombings during the Boston Marathon.
2019 Cathedral Notre-Dame de Paris devastated by fire.
|by Cersei||reply 258||Last Monday at 1:44 PM|
I can't imagine being the guy responsible for this. He'll probably kill himself.
|by Cersei||reply 259||Last Monday at 1:45 PM|
Jerusalem's Al-Aqsa Mosque burns at the same time as fire engulfs Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris
|by Cersei||reply 260||Last Monday at 1:46 PM|
Wow, you're right, R258, today is the anniversary of the Titanic tragedy.
[quote] RMS Titanic sank in the early morning of 15 April 1912 in the North Atlantic Ocean.
|by Cersei||reply 261||Last Monday at 1:48 PM|
R260: The Lord is Pissed Off and Fired UP!!!!! His wrath waxes hot!!!!
|by Cersei||reply 262||Last Monday at 1:48 PM|
A lot of weird, bad shite happens in April.
|by Cersei||reply 263||Last Monday at 1:49 PM|
Even if the Parisian firefighters were incompetent and caught off-guard, they are still HOT!
|by Cersei||reply 264||Last Monday at 1:51 PM|
Sacred bleu! Quel dommage!
|by Cersei||reply 265||Last Monday at 1:53 PM|
Beware the ides of April!
|by Cersei||reply 266||Last Monday at 1:54 PM|
|by Cersei||reply 267||Last Monday at 1:55 PM|
Yes, those French firefighters -- [italic]pompiers[/italic] -- are definitely hot!
|by Cersei||reply 268||Last Monday at 1:56 PM|
[quote] Sacred bleu! High school French don't fail me now.
Oh dear, R265.
It's - Sacré bleu.
|by Cersei||reply 269||Last Monday at 2:06 PM|
Youtube has some promo vids for "Les Pompiers" calendars shot over the years by one Fred Goudon.
So I wondered: Is masturbating to French firefighters while Notre Dame is still in smoking ruins a bad thing?
|by Cersei||reply 270||Last Monday at 2:06 PM|
R258, today is also the 30th anniversary of the disaster at Hillsborough Stadium, in which 96 fans of Liverpool FC were killed.
|by Cersei||reply 271||Last Monday at 2:07 PM|
Notre Dame has fire coming out of its wherever.
|by Cersei||reply 272||Last Monday at 2:09 PM|
I’m on LI and our first brush fires are always in April because of the winds. I wonder if spring winds are similar in Paris.
|by Cersei||reply 273||Last Monday at 2:13 PM|
[quote] today is also the 30th anniversary of the disaster at Hillsborough Stadium, in which 96 fans of Liverpool FC were killed.
Soccer fans. Not really a tragedy.
|by Cersei||reply 274||Last Monday at 2:14 PM|
What does Rupert Murdoch still own? I know he has YouTube, WSJ & NY Post. His sons have Fox News.
|by Cersei||reply 275||Last Monday at 2:16 PM|
It’s no coincidence that the Muzzies lit this up during Holy Week.
|by Cersei||reply 276||Last Monday at 2:16 PM|
Grab it by the apse...
|by Cersei||reply 277||Last Monday at 2:17 PM|
R276 Already the 'blame the Muslims' troll.
|by Cersei||reply 278||Last Monday at 2:17 PM|
Notre Dame is an insatiable bottom.
|by Cersei||reply 279||Last Monday at 2:20 PM|
Yes Paris is actually exactly like Long Island!!
|by Cersei||reply 280||Last Monday at 2:32 PM|
Are there photos of the construction workers? Have they released their nudes yet?
|by Cersei||reply 281||Last Monday at 2:36 PM|
In one of the niches is a Guadalupe, a gift from Mexico.
Hope she made it through...
|by Cersei||reply 282||Last Monday at 2:47 PM|
Are the construction workers day laborers? Syrians and Greeks and Poles hired outside La Depot de la Maison?
|by Cersei||reply 283||Last Monday at 3:04 PM|
An odd illustration of France's transition to an Islamic society.
|by Cersei||reply 284||Last Monday at 3:25 PM|
That'll teach the Papist pedos.
|by Cersei||reply 285||Last Monday at 3:40 PM|
Wow all these fires happening at religious places during Holy Week, it really does seem as if God is trying to tell us something. And yeah, April is a shitty month, Hitler's birthday anyone?
|by Cersei||reply 286||Last Monday at 3:41 PM|
He is trying, R286: you're too big for polka dots.
|by Cersei||reply 287||Last Monday at 3:54 PM|
R275: YouTube is Google. And he owns Fox Nazi News, the kids just run various parts of the company.
Murdoch is in possession of the following: NY POST Wall Street Journal FOX Broadcasting and it's 20-something Broadcast TV stations FOX Sports 1 and 2, and all the regional Fox Sports Networks Fox Nazi News and Fox Nazi Business
In the UK and Ireland, he has The Sun, The Irish Sun, The Scottish Sun, The Times of London, and The Sunday Times (of London), and the Wireless Group, his new radio station group he just bought over there
In Australia, he owns The Australian newspaper, a newspaper in every Capital City save for Perth, FOXTEL cable and satellite, and all his FOX Channels including Sky Nazi News Australia
His kids run various divisions of all of it. He should be dead soon...I hope.
|by Cersei||reply 288||Last Monday at 5:43 PM|
His kids aren't much better than he is.
|by Cersei||reply 289||Last Monday at 6:13 PM|
Is the Priory of Sion ok?
|by Cersei||reply 290||Last Monday at 7:09 PM|
Notre Dame isn’t completely out of the woods — and firefighters will continue to battle the massive blaze at the landmark well into the night.
There’s a risk that some of the historic cathedral’s interior structures could collapse, said Paris fire chief Jean-Claude Gallet.
Firefighters will work overnight to cool them down, he said.
Meanwhile, one official said it would take “decades” to rebuild the landmark due to the “considerable” damage.
Eric Fischer, Director of the Foundation of l’Œuvre Notre-Dame, which is responsible for the 850-year-old Gothic cathedral’s preservation, made the comment to Le Parisien, adding that France is “fortunate” to have a good network of craftsmen to work on the structure.
Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo tweeted a photo of some of the works of arts saved from inside the cathedral thanks to a human chain.
One work left intact was Nicolas Coustou’s Pietà, pictures showed. The crown of thorns — said to be the wreath placed on the head of Jesus before he was crucified — and a tunic worn by St. Louis were also saved from flames, said Hidalgo.
Officials haven’t yet released an inventory of what works have been destroyed. Firefighters struggled to take down some of the large paintings in time, said Notre Dame’s top administrative cleric, Monsignor Patrick Chauvet.
|by Cersei||reply 291||Last Monday at 8:20 PM|
Can you imagine being the company that was contracted to do the renovations? They're basically going to go out of business.
"We'd like you to do renovations for us, what was your last job?" "Oh, we did the renovations for the Notre Dame--" "Next!"
|by Cersei||reply 292||Last Monday at 8:33 PM|
When did they start this renovation?
|by Cersei||reply 293||Last Monday at 9:32 PM|
What if it was set on fire by the victims of priests' sexual abuse? How would we feel?
I'd be torn, because it is such a beautiful, historical piece of architecture, but it's also one of the most famous landmarks of the Roman Catholic faith - and fuck the Roman Catholic faith.
|by Cersei||reply 294||Last Monday at 9:53 PM|
If any of the rose windows were destroyed, I hope they replace them with an exact copy of what was there before, not come up with something new and modern like Chagall's ceiling in the Opera Garnier.
|by Cersei||reply 295||Last Monday at 10:01 PM|
I wish they would do the whole interior in Art Nouveau, but I think the whole building will end up being another Centre Pompidou.
|by Cersei||reply 296||Last Monday at 10:09 PM|
I mean that they would probably do the rose window in the exact same shape as before with the same size of pieces of glass, but I'm worried that they would get a modern artist to do the figures on the glass in a modern style instead of copying what was there before.
|by Cersei||reply 297||Last Monday at 10:18 PM|
There wasn't a lot of water poured on the fire at first. I believe this was because the fire fighters were removing artifacts and artwork. It was reported that much of that was saved. CNN reported that one of the towers was on fire. As usual they fucked up. The fire brigade was pouring water on the tower to cool it down so that it wouldn't burn. It was reported that the towers were saved.
The cause still appears to be a construction accident. The ancient building was in grave need of repair.
This is a tragic loss. There was a pipe organ in there that is historic. I've heard it on CD many times. It is probably a total loss.
|by Cersei||reply 298||Last Monday at 10:20 PM|
In London, many of the buildings destroyed in the Blitz were rebuilt to replicate the old designs, but used new materials doctored to resemble the old material.
|by Cersei||reply 299||Last Monday at 10:23 PM|
I think I've just found my next idea for a book!
|by Cersei||reply 300||Last Monday at 10:31 PM|
NotreDame Cathedral ablaze is the perfect symbol of the modern age, it's almost as if the building set itself on fire to be done with seeing native Europeans replaced and spat on, the spiritual life of Europe crushed and mocked. The continent turned into a supermarket
|by Cersei||reply 301||Last Monday at 10:32 PM|
Hah! Love it R300
|by Cersei||reply 302||Last Monday at 10:45 PM|
R301 incisive analysis. Marine.
|by Cersei||reply 303||Last Monday at 10:47 PM|
I knew right away that the bird thing was a typo. Some of youze are way too eager to lose your shit.
|by Cersei||reply 304||Last Monday at 11:09 PM|
What about the awesome gargoyles??
|by Cersei||reply 305||Last Monday at 11:10 PM|
The baby birds burning to death of awfully sad.
|by Cersei||reply 306||Last Monday at 11:23 PM|
I was enjoying Reuters' video feed of the spandex clad male joggers in the vicinity of the Cathedral, when the live Twitter comment feed started getting weird:
So now, there are 'Muslims did it' fake news story plants, complete with video of a supposed arsonist 'Imam' on one of the bell towers. Looks like a standard issue priest, in reality.
|by Cersei||reply 307||Last Monday at 11:38 PM|
I hope baby birds were fine too.
I remember this video of a belltower collapsing from Spain from a few years ago - you can see there's a stork nesting on top of it and she flies out of her nest when the belltower starts falling down. But I'm afraid she left some cute baby storks behind in the nest. And even if she didn't she still became homeless.
|by Cersei||reply 308||Last Monday at 11:39 PM|
[quote] What about the awesome gargoyles??
They're fine, they send their love.
|by Cersei||reply 309||Last Monday at 11:55 PM|
€300 million pledged so far for the restoration
|by Cersei||reply 310||Last Monday at 11:57 PM|
Watching this iconic cathederal burn, I couldn't help but see it as a metaphor for thecollapse of Christianity and culture in Western Europe.
|by Cersei||reply 311||Last Tuesday at 12:00 AM|
Great photo this.
|by Cersei||reply 312||Last Tuesday at 12:01 AM|
And, R311, about fucking time
|by Cersei||reply 313||Last Tuesday at 12:32 AM|
I second that, R313.
|by Cersei||reply 314||Last Tuesday at 12:36 AM|
So what do you want instead of Western culture in Europe, r313 and r314?
|by Cersei||reply 315||Last Tuesday at 12:56 AM|
[quote] Watching this iconic cathederal burn, I couldn't help but see it as a metaphor for thecollapse of Christianity
Catholicism ain’t “Christianity”. Catholics are apostates. We are the original Christian Church. The New Testament was written in Greek, not Latin.
|by Cersei||reply 316||Last Tuesday at 12:58 AM|
I'm thinking not in religious terma but in terms of philosophy, art, aesthetics.
|by Cersei||reply 317||Last Tuesday at 1:16 AM|
One can only hope r316 is parody post.
|by Cersei||reply 318||Last Tuesday at 1:17 AM|
Seeing photos at the Daily Mail of what the building looks like in daylight...the scorched, smoking hulk of what was once the magnificent Notre Dame. It makes me tear up.
|by Cersei||reply 319||Last Tuesday at 1:29 AM|
Pardon me for dragging such a nincompoop into the proceedings, but I can't wait to see how Smegz makes this all about her.
|by Cersei||reply 320||Last Tuesday at 1:31 AM|
I just want to know what they saved.
|by Cersei||reply 321||Last Tuesday at 1:45 AM|
We shall offer prayers of thanksgiving to Saint Genevieve that most of the cathedral has been saved. Homosexual Macron has promised to restore it.
|by Cersei||reply 322||Last Tuesday at 1:49 AM|
R321 Jesus' Crown of Thorns, all of the artwork, and the shroud of St. Louis are all safe according to Francesco Follo, spokesman. Many of the statues and precious things had been removed for the renovation.
The gold cross at the altar along with a Madonna and Son were spared.
I think the stained glass is a goner.
|by Cersei||reply 323||Last Tuesday at 1:52 AM|
[quote] I'm thinking ... in terms of philosophy, art, aesthetics.
R317, you’re thinking Western Christianity then. Roman (Papal) Christianity broke away from the original unitary Church in the East (hint: Christianity started in the Middle East) and doesn’t really have the same aesthetics or philosophy as Eastern Christianity - the original one.
|by Cersei||reply 324||Last Tuesday at 1:56 AM|
R312. I love how the talking heads on tv are rhapsodizing about that photo, and how extraordinary it was that the cross had survived amidst all the destruction. They’ve failed to notice that the candles in the candelabra flanking the altar didn’t even melt in the cataclysm.
|by Cersei||reply 325||Last Tuesday at 2:23 AM|
Maybe those unmelted candles are the fake plastic Chinese ones with electric lightbulbs at the top?
|by Cersei||reply 326||Last Tuesday at 2:35 AM|
I care about this as art and history. But now that it's all gushing about the "miraculous" preservation of crosses and Madonnas, I'm out.
|by Cersei||reply 327||Last Tuesday at 3:00 AM|
And I wouldn't look too closely at that Crown of Thorns...
|by Cersei||reply 328||Last Tuesday at 3:00 AM|
Mika just said the organ was from the 12th century, honestly how stupid are these people.
|by Cersei||reply 329||Last Tuesday at 3:18 AM|
I want to know what the fuck happened? Who was responsible for the "work"? Bet it was a fucking worker smoking. Why weren't rules enforced? Did they hire proper construction workers who know what they are doing? or are these the cheap illegal labor? Fucking idiots.
I remember they were restoring the St. Patrick's in NYC. Done slowly and properly...
|by Cersei||reply 330||Last Tuesday at 6:09 AM|
The Notre Dame fire is a metaphor for the attitude of Western European leaders towards their own national cultures over the past few decades.
|by Cersei||reply 331||Last Tuesday at 6:26 AM|
Was it insured? Discuss
|by Cersei||reply 332||Last Tuesday at 6:31 AM|
It was an inside job.
|by Cersei||reply 333||Last Tuesday at 6:47 AM|
The useless cunt, a fatty.
She's safe in our hands! Young construction boss, 32, at centre of Notre Dame fire probe boasted about his firm's ability to protect historic sites as his company won £5million contract to repair cathedral's spire
oday craftsmen from the company were being questioned by investigators after the spire came crashing down in Monday's blaze, which caused such extensive damage that experts believe it could take decades to repair.
Investigators believe the devastating blaze started in the roof cavity below the spire where the work, which included the use of electric tools, was being carried out.
The blaze began at around 6.50pm but workers would reportedly have downed tools between 5pm and 5.30pm.
The cathedral's three medieval stained-glass windows all survived the fire, the Archbishop of Paris said earlier.
The first daylight pictures inside the wreckage today showed the roof destroyed, the 850-year-old church exposed to the elements and the floor covered in charred debris.
However the three 'irreplaceable' Rose Windows, which date to the 13th century and were last night feared to have melted or exploded, are all still believed to be intact.
Other treasures, including a crown of thorns reputed to have been worn by Jesus at his crucifixion, were also rescued from the fire, which officials believe was started by accident.
|by Cersei||reply 334||Last Tuesday at 7:43 AM|
As usual, fat people ruin everything
|by Cersei||reply 335||Last Tuesday at 7:58 AM|
He sho' is ugly.
|by Cersei||reply 336||Last Tuesday at 8:00 AM|
5million seems very low for fixing the spire. Cheap cunts. This is what happens when you try to cut corners.
|by Cersei||reply 337||Last Tuesday at 8:02 AM|
So now people are inside surveying the damage. There's a huge mess in the area of the nave, where smoldering wreckage from above fell in. But - the altar is saved and intact, as are the large stained glass windows and much of the statuary. There is of course some water damage. But, most of the building is made of stone which did not burn. All the news stories state the "wooden frame and roof/spire" are gone - but that appears to be up top only? Were there wooden beams that ran down into the lower parts of the cathedral, or were these all only up top holding up the lead roof -?
Don't get me wrong, losing the 1000 year old wooden beams that were the original part of the construction is devastating, these are irreplaceable in terms of historic value. But it does appear that the vast majority of the building is ok, including both bell towers. The roof will be re-built, the spire (which is a relatively new addition from the 1800s) will also be re-constructed. From what I can see today, I think the French got very lucky here.
|by Cersei||reply 338||Last Tuesday at 8:07 AM|
see good article here re the wooden roof and frame. I'm still confused as to how far down the wood 'frame' extended.
|by Cersei||reply 339||Last Tuesday at 8:08 AM|
All these articles talking about the wooden “frame” of the cathedral are idiotic. The only wood in the construction is the roof, everything below that is stone. The wooden roof does not support the walls, it’s just a replaceable covering. And no Richard Engel, the won’t be any discussion of rebuilding it in a modern style. The entire interior is intact except for a few places where the vault collapsed.
|by Cersei||reply 340||Last Tuesday at 8:15 AM|
[quote]The Notre Dame fire is a metaphor for the attitude of Western European leaders towards their own national cultures over the past few decades.
Sweetheart? I know this may come as a shock to "intellectuals" like yourself and others on social media who get into their little cocoon of "blame the brown people if I so much as stub my toe" and who use any opportunity to express bigotry and racism and fantasies of Europe having been all unicorns and rainbows and never ever having had wars with hundreds of millions being killed, maimed, raped over the last thousand years, but even some of the very architecture within that building was borrowed from Eastern architecture. So what you mourn, is the loss of something that showed why "culture" doesn't exist in a bubble.
|by Cersei||reply 341||Last Tuesday at 8:18 AM|
That's what I thought too r340, that the only part that really burned up was the roof and spire. Some of the smoldering ruins fell into the church itself and damaged chairs/pews and perhaps some artifacts, plus the water damage - but otherwise its all salvageable or untouched. All the reports of the cathedral being a 'total loss', 'destroyed', 'decades to re-build' had me really scratching my head. Was afraid to say anything on soc media since emotions were so high with everyone.
|by Cersei||reply 342||Last Tuesday at 8:22 AM|
R342, the reason people thought it might have been a total loss is that heat can damage and weaken the integrity of the stone.
|by Cersei||reply 343||Last Tuesday at 8:26 AM|
[quote]I want to know what the fuck happened? Who was responsible for the "work"? Bet it was a fucking worker smoking. Why weren't rules enforced? Did they hire proper construction workers who know what they are doing? or are these the cheap illegal labor? Fucking idiots. I remember they were restoring the St. Patrick's in NYC. Done slowly and properly...
Because you think construction workers who aren't cheap labor, never make mistakes? Trump wouldn't have a single building completed without them.
And you think St. Patrick's didn't have "cheap illegal labor"? Are you even from NYC?
|by Cersei||reply 344||Last Tuesday at 8:31 AM|
Why does starting a sentence like this sound so frau-y?
|by Cersei||reply 345||Last Tuesday at 8:35 AM|
R345, because I've been on DL for over 20 years and their terms have seeped into my brain! But by all means, ignore my actual point. Sorry if the the "sweetheart" was like a roadblock for you.
|by Cersei||reply 346||Last Tuesday at 8:37 AM|
|by Cersei||reply 347||Last Tuesday at 8:38 AM|
French labor laws make it difficult to hire illegals. The country has a high unemployment rate as it is, so finding ordinary labor isn't difficult. And, snce this was the restoration of an 850 year old cathedral, I'm not sure if the labor was unskilled.
|by Cersei||reply 348||Last Tuesday at 8:42 AM|
It truly is astonishing that basic physics, old, dried wood burning, commonplace incompetence and a history of tons of historical and non-historical buildings catching fire, all goes out the window when idiots can use it for their own, warped conspiracies.
|by Cersei||reply 349||Last Tuesday at 8:45 AM|
[quote] Why does starting a sentence like this sound so frau-y
I know. People think they’re insulting someone else by calling them sweetheart, hon, cupcake, sweet cheeks and it just sounds so idiotic. Like some 400 lb school librarian with leg ulcers who’s to lazy to get up off her ass. “Sweetie? Could you just use the computer, hon? That’s what it’s there for. Thanks, cupcake. Is it lunchtime yet.....?”
|by Cersei||reply 350||Last Tuesday at 8:48 AM|
I have a strong feeling this was an accident by some restoration worker. It seems to be all too common lately, there have been far too many high profile buildings gutted by fire, and it’s always a construction worker causing it.
|by Cersei||reply 351||Last Tuesday at 8:53 AM|
R350, if I were being honest, I would've gone with "stupid, provincial cunt," which is what I usually think when idiots go in with the "western civilization" nonsense which can easily be smacked down with facts that do not mesh with the revisionist horseshit that a lot of you tell yourselves.
|by Cersei||reply 352||Last Tuesday at 8:53 AM|
R351, people are too stupid to comprehend that when you're just a construction worker working on something, anything for far too long, you sometimes lapse. Idiots trying to push conspiracy bullshit are so far gone and think that every second of every hour of every day when you're just working construction, you're always thinking "Wow, like I'm working on a really important symbol of western civilization." They're construction workers working on yet another building. You think "history" factors into what they're doing? In the end, it's still a job and people get careless on jobs.
|by Cersei||reply 353||Last Tuesday at 9:01 AM|
R353, first it's not just a construction company, it's a restoration company. Not every construction company is qualified to restore 850 year old buildings. It's like asking a Butcher to preform surgery.
|by Cersei||reply 354||Last Tuesday at 9:06 AM|
The french smoke like chimneys...bet it was a smoker. Smoking is not allowed on construction sites...not sure if it's the same over there.
Also, they said they put away tools around 5pm, as you know the French are lazy cunts, and fire started around 630pm. so someone forgot to turn something off is another probability.
|by Cersei||reply 355||Last Tuesday at 9:08 AM|
R354, I understand that it's also restoration. I mean a "restorer" did this:
But chances are that it was related to the construction aspect. I mean you're working with incendiary tools in a place with lots of old, dry wood.
|by Cersei||reply 356||Last Tuesday at 9:13 AM|
It could also be an electrical fire, r355. I don't know when electricity was put into the cathedral or if it was maintained, but a lot power tools and old wiring isn't an ideal combination.
|by Cersei||reply 357||Last Tuesday at 9:16 AM|
Stephanie Ruhle, “do you think it’s realistic that the cathedral should be rebuilt?” to one of her guests. Considering 90% of the cathedral is standing, it’s probably a no brainer. These news anchors are such idiots.
|by Cersei||reply 358||Last Tuesday at 9:47 AM|
700 million pledged so far to rebuild
|by Cersei||reply 359||Last Tuesday at 9:57 AM|
a rescue worker
|by Cersei||reply 360||Last Tuesday at 9:58 AM|
Was that water refreshing Erna?
You always look EXACTLY like yourself in pictures.
|by Cersei||reply 361||Last Tuesday at 10:01 AM|
^Thank you for the laugh
|by Cersei||reply 362||Last Tuesday at 10:16 AM|
IBM to donate 1 Million Euro to rebuild Notre Dame
|by Cersei||reply 363||Last Tuesday at 10:19 AM|
Nothing from cheap fuck, Bezos.
|by Cersei||reply 364||Last Tuesday at 10:23 AM|
Bezos has been spotted checking out apts in the $60 million range in NYC (billionaire row of course)
|by Cersei||reply 365||Last Tuesday at 10:27 AM|
R364, if he donates to this rather than give a raise to his employees, then that should anger every American. If he does both, then cool.
And the Catholic fucking Church can sell a few baubles or real estate holdings and pay for the repairs.
|by Cersei||reply 366||Last Tuesday at 10:28 AM|
R366, not for nothing but he already raised the minium mwage to $15 regardless of location. I'm talking about his cheapness in charitable contributions. His wife has a $100 million or two to spare as well.
|by Cersei||reply 367||Last Tuesday at 10:32 AM|
R366, The building is owned by the state of France, not the Catholic Church.
|by Cersei||reply 368||Last Tuesday at 10:33 AM|
Yes, they are the cheapest of cheap among the Billionaires, in terms of their charitable donation. I read the figures last month...
Although Bezos, 55, and his estranged wife, MacKenzie, recently pledged $2 billion to a new charitable initiative, their previous giving amounts to a total of just over $145 million or .0906 percent — far less than 1 percent — of their net worth. Out of $100,000, that would be like spending $90.06 on charity.
“The record of both Amazon and Jeff Bezos reveals that they are takers, not givers,” said Queens City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, whose district includes Long Island City, where Amazon plans to set up a corporate headquarters. “When they make promises of how generous they will be, I look at what they have done in the past to know what the truth really is.”
|by Cersei||reply 369||Last Tuesday at 10:36 AM|
French Media reported there were no construction workers at the time of the fire at cathédrale Notre Dame & the Church was closed
So WHY is there a video of person at one of the the 2 towers half an hour after the start of the fire?
Anyone have more info?
|by Cersei||reply 370||Last Tuesday at 10:40 AM|
R368, but it represents Catholic history. Why wouldn't they contribute?
Bezos is expected to do more than the Catholic Church itself?
|by Cersei||reply 371||Last Tuesday at 10:41 AM|
[quote]The building is owned by the state of France, not the Catholic Church.
Surely the whore of Rome pays a generous rent.
|by Cersei||reply 372||Last Tuesday at 10:42 AM|
Somebody please FF r370, I'm all out of FFs to give. ...thanks
|by Cersei||reply 373||Last Tuesday at 10:47 AM|
Bezos is a satanist/usurer (Goldman Sachs) , r364, so nothing from Bezos.
|by Cersei||reply 374||Last Tuesday at 10:48 AM|
We actually agree, Erna.
How's van Gogh?
|by Cersei||reply 375||Last Tuesday at 10:52 AM|
For those who don't know Amy Mek (Mekelberg). Allow me to tell you about the person R370 looks to for information:
She calls herself a psychotherapist. She has no job. No JOB. Tweets ALL. DAY.
In fact, she cost her husband his job because she's a known bigot who makes Pamela Geller look Muslim. She literally tweets thousands and thousands and thousands of times and every single one is to bash Muslims. She has doxxed innocent Muslims. She is so toxic that she cost her own brother and his wife a lot of business in Brooklyn.
Here's the hilarious part about her: This parasite who goes on and on about "violent Moslems[sic]" literally moved around to be closer to a prisoner who practically beheaded his girlfriend. She physically moved when he was moved to another prison,.
And here's the even more hilarious part: This vile, rancid cunt who doxxed innocent people solely because they were Muslim...was simply outraged when she was exposed for who she was and her flying monkey followers like R370 thinks she someone you're supposed to listen to.
|by Cersei||reply 376||Last Tuesday at 11:02 AM|
what do you mean by doxing Muslims? I'm sorry for being ignorant in this matter... please enlighten...TIA
|by Cersei||reply 377||Last Tuesday at 11:07 AM|
And in case you don't believe me, here's the article about the psycho R370 follows. The woman is a fucking lunatic who blames Muslims for EVERYTHING. The only people sicker than her are the people who know her psychotic obsession with hate and follow her because they think she's coming from a place other than maliciousness to her very bone (not soul, she doesn't have one).
The journalist who had "the nerve" to out her for being a cancerous psycho got death threats.
|by Cersei||reply 378||Last Tuesday at 11:09 AM|
R377, she revealed personal information about innocent people who were Muslim. Names, addresses, phone numbers and they were being harassed because of it. She's a genuinely sick person who literally wakes up in the morning to spread hate for Muslims and doesn't stop until she's hanging upside down to go to sleep.
|by Cersei||reply 379||Last Tuesday at 11:10 AM|
R298 the organ seems to have avoided the flame and the heat, but is covered with soot (google translate helped)? It will not be possible to play on it for a while, it has hundreds of pipes who need a good clean up, plus the volume of the music would be too much for the vault at the moment, not stones vault are not secured yet.
R357 there was no old electricity wire, they never installed electricty in the roof to "avoid fire accident", but they might get some gaz flame to work on the lead, used for the Spike.
In french media there is no speculation over terrorism but they are talking about fake gofundme accounts who started to collect money for the "restoration".
|by Cersei||reply 380||Last Tuesday at 11:11 AM|
R379, can't the muslims sue her? I remember Spike Lee revealed the info of someone and it was the wrong person (who did someone or owned something, I can't remember) and had to pay.
|by Cersei||reply 381||Last Tuesday at 11:14 AM|
R381, so many people have been subject to this level of harassment that the courts would be bogged down with lawsuits. Everyone just lets it go because you feel helpless. People have been trying to get Twitter to do something, but they haven't. She's mental and the people who follow her, more so. Her own brother and his wife tried to distance themselves from her because she hurt their business with this shit.
|by Cersei||reply 382||Last Tuesday at 11:18 AM|
Thanks, r380, I was throwing wiring out there as an alternative to the jerks who are blaming immigrants and smoking.
|by Cersei||reply 383||Last Tuesday at 11:23 AM|
Bless you r375, Van Gogh is fine and we have just returned from his bedtime walk where he did 3 poopoos and many peepees!
|by Cersei||reply 384||Last Tuesday at 11:36 AM|
The Grande organ: "One of the earliest organs at Notre-Dame, built in 1403 by Friedrich Schambantz, was replaced between 1730 and 1738 by François Thierry. During the restoration of the cathedral by Eugène Viollet-le-Duc, Aristide Cavaillé-Coll built a new organ, using pipe work from the former instruments. The organ was dedicated in 1868. "
|by Cersei||reply 385||Last Tuesday at 1:09 PM|
it was arson
|by Cersei||reply 386||Last Wednesday at 10:06 AM|
a heinous crime
|by Cersei||reply 387||Last Wednesday at 10:07 AM|
[quote]Erna (hates thieves and murderers)
But will every little bit of their shit.
|by Cersei||reply 388||Last Wednesday at 10:08 AM|
[quote]a heinous crime
I always trust bllloggggerrrs who post from the driver seat of their cars.
|by Cersei||reply 389||Last Wednesday at 10:51 AM|
Why does that guy at r387 (and others) keep saying that ND "burned down to the ground" - ?? Only the wooden top framing and roof and spire burned, leaving wreckage in the nave and some water/smoke damage throughout. 99% of the building structure is still standing and hopefully sound.
|by Cersei||reply 390||Last Wednesday at 10:56 AM|
Forgot to sign off at r390-
|by Cersei||reply 391||Last Wednesday at 10:56 AM|
Has Rhoda “fully engorged” Young filed her report yet? Someone buy this girl a plane ticket.
|by Cersei||reply 392||Last Wednesday at 11:04 AM|