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Why is Leaving Neverland still a thing?

James Safechuck (the only semi-credible accuser) claimed he was abused every day--

in the beginning of his "relationship" with Jackson (around 7)--

in a place it was revealed didn't exist until he was 16.

When he's said repeatedly all "abuse" stopped at 14.

Why is this still a thing?

by Dan Reedreply 13605/20/2019

Yeah except it actually did.

by Dan Reedreply 104/15/2019

give it up, blanket.

by Dan Reedreply 204/15/2019

It's still a thing because sad cases like you keep creating threads to defend a dead pedophile, 15 and counting!. Every sane person accepts Jackson for what he was, a pedophile, now a dead pedophile, we are content with that result. it's only demented fans like yourself of the Brenda and Alice variety who are making it a 'thing'

by Dan Reedreply 304/15/2019

Because you keep bringing it up.

by Dan Reedreply 404/15/2019

Oprah and the media are pushing the narrative. They were never really fair to MJ during his lifetime, and were pissed off that every time they would run a negative campaign he would do a concert and hee-hee his way into 20 million more fans. Now that he's dead, they are trying again. Even if it means getting behind two people whose stories can't even charitably be true.

by Dan Reedreply 504/15/2019

R1 Safechuck said when the abuse first started it was every day in the upper room of a train station with a bedroom. He provided pictures of said train station. Notice Dan Reed didn't say "there was another train station" but the "end of the abuse" was wrong. Which of course, makes me wonder how Jackson traded them out at 13/14 if he was abusing Safechuck everyday at 17.

by Dan Reedreply 604/15/2019

MJ was hiding in plain sight. Classic pedo grooming behavior. The detractors wouldn't believe anything short of actual videotapes of the crimes. Even then i'm sure the same people would claim it was doctored.

A kid testified about MJ's penis markings. How on earth would he know this?

by Dan Reedreply 704/15/2019

R7 He described MJ as circumcised, when the guy wasn't? I'm no specialist but guessing a guy with vitiligo has skin patches on his genitals isn't exactly a 5 point match. Not to mention the claim was never corroborated.

by Dan Reedreply 804/15/2019

R7 no one here cares anymore. You and the other dude have started 50 threads about the same topic. At some point, we all wonder if you just secretly like talking about the topic of pedophilia. Get help.

by Dan Reedreply 904/15/2019

R7 Even if he was an abuser, it doesn't really affect that it's impossible for these guys to have been abused when/where they claimed. I mean they've lost 4 lawsuits now. And owe 70k+ to the estate in legal fees. Very low hanging fruit. The would be credible "victims" are still saying nothing happened and these two are liars.

by Dan Reedreply 1004/15/2019

R9 Pot calling the kettle black

by Dan Reedreply 1104/15/2019

Although I agree in the long run this has zero effect on the Jackson family's bottom line. Now that these two have lost all of their lawsuits, they don't even have the money to pay off their families for participating in this nonsense.

by Dan Reedreply 1204/15/2019

It's just you R6 , R5 , R8, R10 , R11 , OP attempting to wipe the shit from pedophile Jackson's dirty reputation.None of your Brenda/Alice 'fan' conspiracy theories or Aha! loopholes have had any impact, but you continue pumping out the same pathetic bilge day after day. Any respectable performer embarrassed to have 'fans' like you. Jackson is thankfully dead so we don't have to put up with his sickly mewling and pawing at pretty young boys in public and that makes the world a much better place.

by Dan Reedreply 1304/15/2019

You are so obsessed R12 etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc you are even still posting in the closed Neverland 14 thread which you've managed to keep open to 623 replies, you are tragic and a failure as you have changed nobody's mind and just succeeded in making Jackson more of a sick joke.

by Dan Reedreply 1404/15/2019

R13 R14 We know it's you, the same person who had created 15 threads about this nonsense documentary calling other people "obsessed."

You make Michael Jackson and his accusers look completely sane.

by Dan Reedreply 1504/15/2019

But nearly two weeks since Leaving Neverland premiered, Michael Jackson’s posthumous career is showing few signs of major distress. Leaving Neverland arrived on the heels of Surviving R. Kelly, the Lifetime docuseries that detailed years of allegations of abuse against R. Kelly and ultimately led to a new slate of criminal charges and an end to the singer’s longtime deal with RCA. Obviously, Jackson, who died in 2009, cannot face new criminal charges (he was acquitted on child molestation charges in 2005), but his estate remains a massive business.

Last year, Sony Entertainment spent $250 million to secure the distribution rights to Jackson’s music for another seven years. The label has not issued a statement since Leaving Neverland premiered. As far as merchandise and image rights go, Jamie Salter, the founder and CEO of ABG, which manages non-musical licensing for Jackson and other celebrity estates, told Rolling Stone a few days before Leaving Neverland premiered that he hadn’t received a single call from any concerned companies.

by Dan Reedreply 1604/15/2019

It's the lottery mentality. Everyone wants a yuge check that would set them up for life.

I bet if the fellas were both already multi-millionaires we wouldn't be having this discussion.

by Dan Reedreply 1704/15/2019


by Dan Reedreply 1804/15/2019

R15 Your Trump shit won't work here you loser, accusing people of doing what you do won't work, like it didn't when you were trying to throw the JABBA nonsense around, feel free to check my posting history , I've never started a threads on anything, you are a liar . Your tactics are as big a failure as your attempt to clean up dirty Jackson. The Trump thing suits you as I also notice you and your kind using 'cuck' as an insult.

by Dan Reedreply 1904/15/2019

R19 is deranged

by Dan Reedreply 2004/15/2019

R19 Did MJ touch you too?

by Dan Reedreply 2104/15/2019

Trying it again Brenda R19 , it doesn't work, your insanity leads you to very dark places.

by Dan Reedreply 2204/15/2019

R22 ...Sure, Jan

by Dan Reedreply 2304/15/2019

I'll be keeping an eye on you Brenda R21 etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc and making sure to show up what a lunatic you are

by Dan Reedreply 2404/15/2019

R24 You really sound mentally unstable in your replies.

Perhaps you might find Facebook a better platform for your grammatically incorrect ramblings. I trust that you're the same person who keeps posting about how you "came on" to your abuser at 8 years old while pushing the pedo apologist narrative that these two were sluts also to make yourself feel better?

by Dan Reedreply 2504/15/2019

R25 You are rambling again Brenda, I just accept Jackson was a homosexual pedophile, you may come to terms with it one day, but for now you are stuck in the arrested development of a 'fan'. These jokes may lighten your mood and certainly show how Jackson was seen throughout the whole of his seedy life. the documentary is just the icing on the monumental cake of Jackson's pedophilia. Your bleoved star will always be associated with pedophilia, which is apt for a pedophile, especially one on the epic scale he maintained.

by Dan Reedreply 2604/15/2019

R26 Seeing a crazy person like you-- post reply after reply-- like this only further convinces me these two are lying:

[quote]You are rambling again Brenda, I just accept Jackson was a homosexual pedophile, you may come to terms with it one day, but for now you are stuck in the arrested development of a 'fan'. These jokes may lighten your mood and certainly show how Jackson was seen throughout the whole of his seedy life. the documentary is just the icing on the monumental cake of Jackson's pedophilia. Your bleoved star will always be associated with pedophilia, which is apt for a pedophile, especially one on the epic scale he maintained.

by Dan Reedreply 2704/15/2019

16 million people streamed Jackson's music within only 2 days of the documentary's release. The media's early attempt to paint this as some type of nail in his coffin is laughably false. Queue crazy person at R26.

by Dan Reedreply 2804/15/2019

Brett Barnes Threatens to Sue HBO For Insinuating He Was Molested in ‘Leaving Neverland’

by Dan Reedreply 2904/15/2019

Right back at ya Brenda R27 R28 and why are you posting at all when you said this in thread 14 when another Brenda asked for another thread....' No, we've already determined these two are liars, their abuse was physically impossible unless they are time travelers. Maybe a GoFundMe can help them regain some credibility. There will be no official thread 15'

by Dan Reedreply 3004/15/2019

R17 Exactly. Why would you believe a docudrama after all the fake news, lies and court cases that cleared Jackson? Didn't we learn with Jussie Smollett that people lie for money and fame?

by Dan Reedreply 3104/15/2019

Threatens being the operative word Brenda R29, none of these lawsuits from the family or other creeps ever materialize, just empty threats from those living off the Jackson carcass and frighted the money will dry up.

by Dan Reedreply 3204/15/2019

R30 I can't even understand your replies anymore...please learn to proofread!! And who is Brenda?

by Dan Reedreply 3304/15/2019

R32 Not true. MJ sued tabloids, newspapers, media companies, and former employees and almost always won millions.

[quote]none of these lawsuits from the family or other creeps ever materialize, just empty threats from those living off the Jackson carcass and frighted the money will dry up.

by Dan Reedreply 3404/15/2019

This is you Brenda

by Dan Reedreply 3504/15/2019

From someone on Reddit. I agree

"I haven’t watched Neverland because I am under the impression its meant to be a distraction from the other shit that is being exposed in Hollywood, entertainment in general and in politics. I’m sitting back and waiting for the dust to settle. If it withstands the scrutiny of time I will watch it. Until then I see it as worthy of deep skepticism."

by Dan Reedreply 3604/15/2019

I find it interesting the movie had to be edited for the UK release to remove the facts that discredit the docudrama.

by Dan Reedreply 3704/15/2019

You probably wrote in Brenda R36

by Dan Reedreply 3804/15/2019

It's very easy to make accusations when the person you're accusing is unable to defend themselves.

It becomes slightly more difficult to defend those accusations after you already testified that they are false.

by Dan Reedreply 3904/15/2019

Hollywood wants us to associate pedophillia with specific actors rather than its pervasive and long-standing culture.

by Dan Reedreply 4004/15/2019

I disagree that you should be moved by unfalsifiable stories and emotional appeals, especially from people who only changed their stories after the statute of limitations for perjury had expired.

by Dan Reedreply 4104/15/2019

There is a reason they waited till ten years after his death to run a hit piece. MJ had gone to war with the record labels during his lifetime and they never forgave him for it. Finding Neverland was their revenge.

by Dan Reedreply 4204/15/2019

There has never been a more blatant peodphile Brenda.

by Dan Reedreply 4304/15/2019

People have been trying to destroy MJ’s legacy for his entire career and he’s always been able to break out by sheer force of talent and character.

by Dan Reedreply 4404/15/2019

His talent and character Brenda are now thankfully removed from the world, the most decent thing he ever did was get hooked on Propofol and overdose.

by Dan Reedreply 4504/15/2019

Too many holes in story, perhaps Jackson had poor judgement, but I believe more than not that he is innocent.

by Dan Reedreply 4604/15/2019

Leaving Neverland was a bad doc that only had testimony and no hard evidence. It did not lay out a case against Michael Jackson.

If you believed he did it before, you watch it and believe the vivid stories of James Safechuck and to a slightly lesser extent, Wade Robson.

If you didn't believe that MJ did it, you can point to the lack of hard evidence or the build of a case in the doc.

by Dan Reedreply 4704/15/2019

I think if Michael was truly guilty and these men were abused, then there would be no need to use manipulative tactics like doctored audio and misplaced cut footage and so many other manipulations.

They used so much drone footage, and the same damn photos, because it allowed us not to see the two accusers too long. It’s much easier to sound combining than look convincing.

A real story of less than 2 hours each doesn’t need 3 days each to be filmed. It was cut and too many takes.

Also, they claim in there law suit that it was the most prolific child sex ring in history yet they did not implicate anyone in particular in the film. Living or dead besides michael Jackson. No specifics about who knew and who helped this occur for Michael.

There’s plenty of other timeline discrepancies I won’t get into but if you have a true story to tell, you do not need such random graphic details thrown in to be more credible.

The most emotion showed was discussing losing Wade’s father. The sister cried more for that than any abuse or pain for wade. Compare the two instances. Pay attention to what they are actually saying when they get most emotional.

They also failed to preemptively confront any counter points. When filming and honest documentary, you bring up the counter arguments and shut it down. They tried to gloss over everything and are still ignoring answering. Everything from cirque show, to law suit details, to book deals, to jimmys family losing heir business and being sued for 800k, to wade dating Brandi Jackson for 8 years.

Lies are easy. The truth is more complicated. There is not one thing that his defense tries to hide or omit. They confront it all. That’s not the same for the accusers.

by Dan Reedreply 4804/15/2019

Wade and James were both exposed several times, contradicting themselves and downright just being idiots and lying to themselves and others. Leaving Neverland is not a Documentary, it’s a work of fiction, to make people believe in these ugly stories full of lies. Many plot holes, and many inconsistencies in the stories of both Robson and Safechuck, with many unprofessional scenes such as Safechuck not trying to laugh, and Dan Reed cutting into Robson with “and a lover”. Downright disgusting film, absolutely awful with lies and pathetic excuses.

by Dan Reedreply 4904/15/2019

Keep saying it Brenda R47 , R48. R49 I'm the only one listening and I think you are a joke, I'll bail out on this when I'm sufficiently amused, but you are condemned to a lifetime of this nonsense, part of me pities you, but you have a very unpleasant streak that has shown itself often, so, that being the case you deserve your sadness.

by Dan Reedreply 5004/15/2019

R50 Right, tell us more about how you came onto your "abuser at 8" and so you completely understand how Wade and James could have been in love with MIchael Jackson.

by Dan Reedreply 5104/15/2019

[quote]no one here cares anymore.

Then why are you here 24/7?

by Dan Reedreply 5204/15/2019

I like to annoy you Brenda xxx

by Dan Reedreply 5304/15/2019

R52 Do a search on these threads for "Brenda" and ask yourself the same question. Tell us more about your happy relationship with the abuser you started at 8 years old though? Got a good laugh from that story.

by Dan Reedreply 5404/15/2019

I would eat the corn out of Michael's doodoo.

by Dan Reedreply 5504/15/2019

R54 You are wrong again Brenda, no abuse in my life, but archetypal of you to use whatever you think might hurt others to protect your special ain't working Brenda old girl, try the train station again we've only heard it 40 thousand times, maybe one more might convert someone, tho' I can tell you it won't, your days here have been pointless, you are so funny!

by Dan Reedreply 5604/15/2019

OP, it's not still a thing: it came, people watched and reacted by adjusting their opinions to conclude that MJ really did molest boys, and it went away. No one's paying attention to the aftermath. Mainstream public opinion is that MJ molested boys. It's done.

by Dan Reedreply 5704/15/2019

r54, that wasn't me, you stupid fucking pedo lover.

by Dan Reedreply 5804/15/2019

R57 Right, it took people 2 months to figure out Jussie was full of shit. It took 48 hours to figure out Covington Catholic was a hoax. It's taken 2 weeks to discover both Wade and James claimed daily abuse--one in places that didn't exist, and the other when he was on a trip with his family after all (after claiming he was diddled when left behind.)

The media still tried to push those narratives well after more information came out disproving the initial claims. It's just shocking how shady they are.

by Dan Reedreply 5904/15/2019

R58 Are you feeling pressed Brenda? And using bad language! Michael would be aghast! The 7 year old dick would drop from his mouth if he heard you speaking like that!

by Dan Reedreply 6004/15/2019

R58 R60 Please take your meds and pull yourself together.

by Dan Reedreply 6104/15/2019

R60 No, that was you replying to yourself. You're the Brenda troll, remember?

by Dan Reedreply 6204/15/2019

R17 there's no such word as 'yuge.' When you're over 7, you spell it as 'huge.'

by Dan Reedreply 6304/15/2019

It's a film made for shock and hook the audience. There's a lot of film making techniques to convince/ manipulate the viewer that Wade and James are victims with a sympathetic story.

IMO Wade Robson's interview with Matt Lauer in 1993 is an example of how he is naturally. All the differences in how he speaks, body language from the 1993 interview to what you seen LN is probably a result of coaching/ instruction to act a certain way for the narrative of the film.

by Dan Reedreply 6404/15/2019

r60, you have the wrong poster, too. I actually make fun of Brenda.

by Dan Reedreply 6504/15/2019

I stink.

by Dan Reedreply 6604/15/2019

It's a one-sided, biased 'documentary' full of salacious stories that are unverifiable. They presented no real, concrete evidence of abuse. Which would be acceptable if they had spent more time solidifying a timeline instead of selling their memorabilia (anonymously--before being outed by the company) for tens of thousands of dollars before rushing off to file lawsuits.

by Dan Reedreply 6704/15/2019

It does have some comedic bits, such as Jimmy supposedly sucking MJ's nipples and them having sex in the swimming pool. Besides that, it's really boring, to be honest.

by Dan Reedreply 6804/15/2019

R65 Sorry about that. There are a couple of Brenda, one must be Alice, they are a very vocal minority and it's fun to take the piss out of them but they post so incessantly it's difficult to keep up, especially as they post the same childish crap ( train station, time machine etc ). I just pop in every few days to poke them in their cage, it's amusing to see them twist and turn.

by Dan Reedreply 6904/15/2019

It’s a component piece to Wade and Jimmy’s lawsuit. It’s a 4 hour documentary and the bulk of is spent detailing all the times MJ’s businesses facilitated meetings between the him and the two boys (tours, music videos, flying Wade out to America, helping his family immigrate, helping both families with housing) and explaining why their story changed recently. That happens to be the two biggest things they need to prove in the lawsuit. 1) That MJ’s business facilitated the alleged abuse and 2) that their “coming forward” now is genuine considering they both said the opposite for years.

by Dan Reedreply 7004/15/2019

If the documentary is such bullshit, then why are you Jackson stans making it your life's mission to dispute it? You actually bring more attention to the film by spending all your time losing your shit over it.

by Dan Reedreply 7104/15/2019

It's cool, r69.

by Dan Reedreply 7204/15/2019

My personal theory is that Leaving Neverland is the media's attempt on setting an extremely dangerous precedent in which we can accuse who we want, about what we want, and then sit back and watch the subject burn. This is all folly for Joe Biden, or whomever else "steps out of line" in the eyes of the (((global elite.)))

by Dan Reedreply 7304/15/2019

R69 R72 Do you two need a room?

by Dan Reedreply 7404/15/2019

lmao delete two guys and like two thirds of the thread disappears.

by Dan Reedreply 7504/15/2019

R70 do you have any interests in your life other than MJ? You are the most prolific poster here, you must dream about it when you're not hunched over the computer doing your Sarah Sanders act. R71 is right, if the doc is so terrible in every way, why the need to bash it into the ground when most people watched it and moved on with their lives, as they do with any new information.

by Dan Reedreply 7604/15/2019

R74 Jealous Brenda?

by Dan Reedreply 7704/15/2019

I'm pretty sure there are documentaries about the Paula Jones case accusing Bill Clinton of murder. Just because it's a documentary doesn't mean it's factual. In fact, Dan Reed has even told us it is not as he shifted 60% of the story's continuity in one tweet changing the abuse date by 2+ years.

by Dan Reedreply 7804/15/2019

We all knew MJ was a pedo before LN you 'fans' are just pissed off to have it be given a spotlight again. You are the ones keeping the doc alive.

by Dan Reedreply 7904/15/2019

..another posh sounding documentarian with the endorsement of various celebrities investigates a now long dead Michael Jackson. Must be something really serious going on in real life...

by Dan Reedreply 8004/15/2019

R73 Notice Brenda's use of 'global elite' , don't let her naming Joe Biden muddy the waters , she's also used cuck to insult the victims....we see you alt right Brenda.

by Dan Reedreply 8104/15/2019

Someone really wants to ruin MJs legacy, im glad people are not buying that bullshit.

by Dan Reedreply 8204/15/2019

R82 He ruined himself Bren, facially, bodily, healthwise, career wise, he was the architect of his own downfall

by Dan Reedreply 8304/15/2019

Within 24 hours of MJ’s death, Wade was in talks with the show So You Think You Can Dance to do an MJ special. He also repeatedly messaged MJ’s family to get a place at the MJ funeral.

by Dan Reedreply 8404/15/2019

In 2011, Wade signed on to be part of the MJ Cirque Du Soleil show. He can be found very excitedly talking about being involved with the project on YouTube. He dropped out however as he wanted to focus his efforts on a film project which would be his directorial debut and his big break. This fell through however, and Wade desperately begged to be let back on to the Cirque Du Soleil show. With a 1 year old son and now no employment, this was understandable. His email to the creative director where he begs for the job and talks about his desire to keep MJ’s legacy alive can be found online. However after proving unreliable before, his pleas for the job were refused. According to a fellow choreographer who worked with him, Darrin Henson, Wade took this rejection very badly.

by Dan Reedreply 8504/15/2019

Also in 2011, Wade sold his entire MJ memorabilia collection for thousands of dollars through an intermediary (Juliens Auctions). He tried to do this anonymously but the collection was listed as the Wade Robson collection. According to Juliens Auctions, Wade needed the cash.

by Dan Reedreply 8604/15/2019

Then in 2012, Wade realised that MJ molested him. He proceeded to write a book with these new allegations, but could not get a publisher to give him a book deal.

by Dan Reedreply 8704/15/2019

In 2013, Wade launched a lawsuit worth millions of dollars against the MJ estate. James Safechuck (a failed actor) then sees Wade’s case on TV, realises he too was molested, hires the same lawyers, and submits a lawsuit. These suits were dismissed in 2017 but Wade and James are currently appealing their cases in court.

by Dan Reedreply 8804/15/2019

The director of this new documentary has repeatedly said in interviews that both men stand nothing to gain financially, but this is simply NOT TRUE. On the contrary, both Wade and James have lawsuits worth hundreds of millions coming up on appeal against the MJ estate. Convincing the public they have a case greatly increases their chances at making a lot of money.

by Dan Reedreply 8904/15/2019

R89 (and 70% of this and any LN thread ) Brenda, it's been fun watching you mentally collapse as always, but I've got a life so will leave you to rant about train stations and time machines, lawsuits etc etc, I imagine you'll have filled this thread by time I look in again. I suppose it stops you writing anymore 'books'. Be back to laugh at you another time, try to cling to what's left of your sanity. Go easy on the Jesus Juice!

by Dan Reedreply 9004/15/2019

R90 finally the unhinged crazy person at R26 is gone. Let's not jinx it.

by Dan Reedreply 9104/15/2019

They waited too long to come forward. Of course no one’s gonna believe them. MJ has been dead for ten years now. I believe those who originally came forward, but not these guys. It looks as if they are trying to cash in...

by Dan Reedreply 9204/15/2019

r81, Brenda/Jackaloon that posts here was praising Breitbart, so yeah, she's/they definitely lean to the fascist/racist side. And, they have the nerve to bring that shit to a gay forum.

by Dan Reedreply 9304/15/2019

Too soon Brenda R91 you sure know from unhinged and crazy , keep posting your loopy 'fan' shit so I can have a good laugh when I check in next...Do the Train Station bit again, that's hilarious, especially when you do it all in CAPS! Comedy gold!

by Dan Reedreply 9404/15/2019

R93 / R94 Your psychotic posting history makes any attempt to brand someone else as crazy as impossible as Safechuck having his nipples sucked every day in that train station.

by Dan Reedreply 9504/15/2019

"Hold my beer JABBA!"

by Dan Reedreply 9604/15/2019

I started a Thread 15 with some anti pedo rhetoric at the top, so the TST threw a fit and decided he would post here instead.

by Dan Reedreply 9704/15/2019

Notice how the pedo troll likes to describe acts of pedophilia as frequently as possible. Keeps repeating 'Micheal licked his anus/sucked his nipples' over and over again with relish.

I think we are dealing with an actual pedophile.

by Dan Reedreply 9804/15/2019

'Also in 2011, Wade sold his entire MJ memorabilia collection for thousands of dollars through an intermediary (Juliens Auctions). '

Yep, glad you agree that this is more proof that MJ abused him. If he had been his friend, Wade would have wanted to keep some of the merch for sentimental reasons.

by Dan Reedreply 9904/15/2019

OP= Diana Ross

by Dan Reedreply 10004/15/2019

R99 At this point, he didn't "realize" he had even been abused yet. Wasn't until after he told the auction house he needed the money that this epiphany hit him.

[quote]If he had been his friend, Wade would have wanted to keep some of the merch for sentimental reasons.

by Dan Reedreply 10104/15/2019

James: We would get a blanket and lay down on the floor inside the closet next to his main bed. So we could close the doors and have like several sort of doors people have to get through. There is just a hall that leads to his room. So there were bells so you can have a moment hearing them trip release it alarmed him when people are coming.

5 minutes later..

James: In the movie theater had these two like private rooms, had big glass windows so you can see the theatre and so we would have sex in those rooms. That was a bit dangerous, but there was a bit excitement there. The pool and the jacuzzi, oral sex. Like holding your breath and going down. Kinda like a game.

Wade: I don't think he liked to mix us.

He liked to keep these relationships separate.

5 minutes later..

Wade: There was kind of mass sleepover at Neverland....and it was Jordy, Macaulay Culkin and myself.

by Dan Reedreply 10204/15/2019

It does seem amusing that all of these elaborate security steps would be taken within his bedroom to cover the abuse, yet they also did this constantly everywhere else on the property including the outdoor teepee canopies, pool, theater, train station (when Safechuck was 16+ despite stating all abuse ended at 14), theme park castle and so on. Made even more risky by apparent video cameras that had been installed around the property, according to James.

by Dan Reedreply 10304/15/2019

R103 ( and almost every other pro Jackson post on this site) Oh Brenda, Breitbart Brenda, you disappoint me, and worse still you disappoint dead Michael! I've been gone a whole day and you've barely posted anything, tho' you did still managed to mention the train station ,which is something. You are slipping, Michael won't come to you in your dreams if you don't fight for him! You don't want dead Michael to think you are a cuck do you?

by Dan Reedreply 10404/16/2019

You do realize the real troll that used to cause all the MJ threads to get deleted is the psycho who created tons of anti MJ threads and filled up an entire thread with excerpts from the pedo fan fiction novel MIchael Jackson Was My Lover, which Guiterrez wrote AFTER being successfully sued by Jackson for claiming to have seen a sex tape that didn't exist. Calling MJ fans is a bit disingenous. There are plenty of people on DL who are obsessed with either slandering Jackson or pushing a pro pedophila agenda.

by Dan Reedreply 10504/16/2019

Calling MJ fans obsessed is a bit disingenous

by Dan Reedreply 10604/16/2019

R106 Jackson fans, and anyone else willing to scrutinize these mens's claims, are on the side of truth. Those trying to manufacture victims not only are baselessly defaming a dead man and causing harm to his family, but are doing a disservice to actual CSA and sexual abuse victims.

by Dan Reedreply 10704/16/2019

[quote]I think we are dealing with an actual pedophile.

Yes, I imagine many of the Jackson supporters are pedophiles themselves, with the rest being fat lonely fraus. They're all batshit crazy, though.

by Dan Reedreply 10804/16/2019

I had to do som travel outside the Stdtes last month and got a kick out of hearing MJ’s music in every city almost every day. I don’t know if it was defiance or obliviousness regarding the documentary, but the rest of he world didn’t give a damn. I will always love his music and can enjoy it even more now that I know Ko children are being harmed in the process.

Everyone knew what Jackson was since the 90/2000 court cases. Everyone accepted it and moved on. This was nothing new and he’s dead. Might as well make those terrible allegations worth something by enjoying the artist.

by Dan Reedreply 10904/16/2019

Put the pipe down, r109.

by Dan Reedreply 11004/16/2019

In my day, people didn’t speak badly of the deceased.

by Dan Reedreply 11104/16/2019

R37, that's nonsense. The UK version was edited purely for time. Someone on reddit has compiled a list of all the cut scenes: they mostly consist of repetition and descriptions that aren't important to the overall story.

by Dan Reedreply 11204/16/2019

[quote]In my day, people didn’t speak badly of the deceased.

In my day, people didn't idolize pedophiles.

by Dan Reedreply 11304/16/2019

Michael Pedo Jackson. One of the most evil men to walk the face of the earth.

by Dan Reedreply 11404/16/2019

I watched the UK version and it was four hours long, exactly the same as the US one. It was run over two nights. Nothing was left out so don't let the Train Station Troll fool you.

by Dan Reedreply 11504/16/2019

R115 The part about Wade visiting MJ's family was removed from subsequent broadcasts. At this point, it doesn't matter what's left because the entire doc is being torn apart bit by bit. You could have a trivia track and it would literally pop up every few seconds detailing creative use of timelines, discredited testimony from Wade, James, and Joy, documentary evidence that explains Jackson's wherabouts during the alleged abuse, conflicting testimonies from other witnesses, video and audio excerpts that were taken out of context or outright manipulated, false claims of emotional neglect projected onto Jackson by both parents, projecting guilt onto Jackson for Wade's father's bipolar disorder, omitting relevant facts that would disrupt the narrative of Jackson dumping these boys, claims that are suspect due to circumstantial evidence such as being threatened to testify, and so much more. It will be like an episode of VH1's Pop Up Video.

by Dan Reedreply 11604/16/2019

R116 A trivia I can imagine one those "fun facts" type of popups. Especially when they hit Safechuck's footage of the train station his daily abuse began in.

Safechuck: It would happen everyday

Fun Fact: Construction did not even begin until 5 years later

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Oh look. Videos with more awards and a higher rank R118 R119 R120 R121

by Dan Reedreply 12204/17/2019

Can you count up all the Grammys? R118 R119 R120 R121

by Dan Reedreply 12304/17/2019

At this stage the only people pushing this discredited lie are racist pedos projecting their vices onto a dead man.

by Dan Reedreply 12404/17/2019

He was seen as a racist pedo when he was alive R124 .We are all delighted he is rotting in his junkie, pedophile grave and he can't manipulate and slime his way into young boy's pants any more. Hoooray!!

by Dan Reedreply 12504/17/2019

"Wade would have wanted to keep some of the merch for sentimental reasons."

Wade is a broke-ass grifter who had a couple choreography gigs but hasn't worked in years. Imagine being thisclose to so much wealth but not having any access to it- or any way to earn it yourself?

He needs to move to Alabama and get a job in a call center or something.

by Dan Reedreply 12604/17/2019

Jackson is a dead pedophile, he can't move anywhere because he's rotting in pedophile hell R126

by Dan Reedreply 12704/17/2019

Do you like my paintings? I use colored boogers and snot as my medium.

by Dan Reedreply 12804/17/2019

Michael loved to sing about his pedophilia!

Pretty Young Thing



Smooth Criminal

by Dan Reedreply 12904/17/2019

New Poll

by Dan Reedreply 13004/17/2019

Wade and James were both exposed several times, contradicting themselves and downright just being idiots and lying to themselves and others. Leaving Neverland is not a Documentary, it’s a work of fiction, to make people believe in these ugly stories full of lies. Many plot holes, and many inconsistencies in the stories of both Robson and Safechuck, with many unprofessional scenes such as Safechuck not trying to laugh, and Dan Reed cutting into Robson with “and a lover”. Downright disgusting film, absolutely awful with lies and pathetic excuses.

by Dan Reedreply 13104/19/2019

Jacko is an ugly pedophile.

by Dan Reedreply 13204/20/2019

R132 is late for a cross-burning.

by Dan Reedreply 13304/20/2019

r133 is late for a NAMBLA meeting.

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Who is Brenda?????????

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