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Who was the most evil First Lady/Queen Consort in history?

Was it Madame Mao?

by Anonymousreply 77Last Wednesday at 8:54 PM

Nah- she was a good left-winger. I'd vote for Madame Chiang Kai-shek

by Anonymousreply 1Last Sunday at 11:50 PM

In a cage death match between Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan, Babs would win easily.

She was strong and vicious, that woman.

by Anonymousreply 2Last Monday at 12:39 AM

Nancy Reagan

by Anonymousreply 3Last Monday at 1:37 AM

Margaret Trudeau

by Anonymousreply 4Last Monday at 3:00 AM

Cersei Lannister

by Anonymousreply 5Last Monday at 3:02 AM

The first two I thought of was Madame Chiang Kai-shek and Nancy Reagan. Though Nancy was a mean-spirited woman and defender of her dear Ronny, Madame Chiang Kai-shek is the clear winner. The stories of when she visited Washington D.C. are legendary. Eleanor Roosevelt couldn't stand her because of her demands and imperial attitude. Wish I could remember the story about this picture of the two of them. (See link below.)

by Anonymousreply 6Last Monday at 3:52 AM

This bitch.

by Anonymousreply 7Last Monday at 4:35 AM

Madame Chiang’s father, Charlie Soong, was one of the richest men in China, his fortune built on printing bibles in Chinese. He came to the US to work for his uncle and eventually joined the precursor to the Coast Guard. After ending up in Wilmington, NC he converted to Christianity and attended Duke to become a Methodist missionary in China.

Madame Chiang was educated in Georgia and spoke English with a beautifully lilting, Southern accent. While Mrs, Roosevelt may not have liked her, she charmed the men in Congress when she addressed a joint session in a successful attempt to gain support for the Nationalists after WWII.

by Anonymousreply 8Last Monday at 5:26 AM

Isabel Peron had it all over Eva. Until Andrew Lloyd Pedo's biography contradicted me I had a theory that he and Tim Rice had originally started writing their musical about Isabel until it was pointed out to them that she was still alive and could thus cause big trouble for them. The line "When will the chorus girl ever learn?" applies more to Isabel, who actually was one, than to Eva, who wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 9Last Monday at 5:30 AM

Madam Nhu, former First Lady of Vietnam.

by Anonymousreply 10Last Monday at 5:40 AM

What's with all the Asians on this thread

by Anonymousreply 11Last Monday at 5:45 AM

Madame Chiang kai Shel lived til 2003! She was 105 when she died, wow

by Anonymousreply 12Last Monday at 5:47 AM

Empress Dowager Cixi

by Anonymousreply 13Last Monday at 5:55 AM

Just wait!

by Anonymousreply 14Last Monday at 6:01 AM

No love for Imelda Marcos?

by Anonymousreply 15Last Monday at 6:16 AM

Most women mentioned here were just plain old bitches, not evil. They have nothing on Madame Mao - that's the woman who was behind the Cultural Revolution, for Confucius' sake!

by Anonymousreply 16Last Monday at 6:29 AM

Somebody's got to say it. Babs was the cuntiest cunt who ever cunted.

by Anonymousreply 17Last Monday at 6:39 AM

Probably Madame Mao, in terms of lives lost.

by Anonymousreply 18Last Monday at 6:42 AM

First Lady, convinced it's Barbara Bush.

by Anonymousreply 19Last Monday at 6:48 AM

Uhmm Her!

by Anonymousreply 20Last Monday at 6:56 AM

R20 Great pick. I know she was a seething cunt but the video of her express trial and execution is still pretty shocking to watch. It almost made me feel sorry for her and her husband a bit...almost!

by Anonymousreply 21Last Monday at 7:50 AM

Melania the birther

by Anonymousreply 22Last Monday at 7:52 AM

Bar Bush, first.

Nancy Reagan, second.

Everyone else can fight over third.

by Anonymousreply 23Last Monday at 7:54 AM

Queen Mum. Greedy, entitled, intolerant and she never brushed her teeth. Dragon lady with dragon breath.

by Anonymousreply 24Last Monday at 8:06 AM

My favorite Ceausescu story (if there is such a thing): Buckingham Palace got a call from the French government warning them about the Ceausescu's sticky fingers. Apparently, numerous items went missing from the places they visited. So, Betty had to hide the valuables during the British leg of their European tour. How very ironic since the British aristocracy had to hide their valuables when Queen Elizabeth's grandmother the dowager Queen Mary. She was known as a collector who like to fill gaps in her collection from the stately homes she visited.

[quote]It said that before the couple arrived in London on the next leg of a European tour, former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing telephoned Buckingham Palace to warn Queen Elizabeth.

[quote]Giscard d'Estaing described how lamps, vases, ashtrays and bathroom fittings had been removed. "It was as if burglars had moved in for a whole summer," he told the BBC.

[quote]Ceausescu's security officials also reportedly gouged holes in the walls looking for bugging devices.

[quote]The queen ordered palace security officers to keep a close watch on the couple. The program said the queen later described the visit as the worst three days of her life.

by Anonymousreply 25Last Monday at 8:14 AM

Well there are a good many decent candidates: Catherine the Great, Imelda Marcos, Marie Antoinette, and leave us not forget the Medicis . . .

by Anonymousreply 26Last Monday at 8:45 AM

R24 At least Queen Mom loved her gays, you gotta give her that.

by Anonymousreply 27Last Monday at 8:52 AM

r26, I would call them indecent candidates.

by Anonymousreply 28Last Monday at 8:54 AM

Rosmah and her Bijan bags

by Anonymousreply 29Last Monday at 8:57 AM

Marie Antoinette was not remotely evil. She was just rather dim.

by Anonymousreply 30Last Monday at 8:59 AM

Rosmah Mansor is ugly both inside and out.

by Anonymousreply 31Last Monday at 9:05 AM

In [R6] Eleanor Roosevelt giving Madame...the finger? lol

by Anonymousreply 32Last Monday at 9:25 AM

R30 - I'll stipulate to that. But intentionally or not, she did damage . . . You could say the same about the last Tsarina of Russia - not intentionally evil but her stupidity, and her husband's, led to suffering.

Margaret of Anjou, in her time as Queen of England, was much hated and managed to do quite a bit of damage, as well.

by Anonymousreply 33Last Monday at 9:34 AM

Margaret was supposedly a major bitch, but it could be argued that she did what she did to preserve her husband's throne and her son's succession.

by Anonymousreply 34Last Monday at 10:00 AM

R34 - She did much more than that - a great many people died for her ambition.

Margaret ruled the kingdom in Henry's place due to his mental instability. It was Margaret who called for a Great Council that excluded the Yorkist faction. This helped to spark a civil conflict that lasted for more than 30 years, decimated the old nobility of England, and caused the deaths of thousands of men, including her only son Edward of Westminster, Prince of Wales, at the Battle of Tewkesbury.

She spilled a great deal of blood. She didn't start the Wars of the Roses, Henry Bolingbroke seeded it when he usurped the throne of Richard II, but she ignited it.

by Anonymousreply 35Last Monday at 10:42 AM

I think a lot of you are confusing bitchiness for evilness. Was Babs Bush or Nancy Reagan really "evil?" Some of you act like Ronald Reagan wanted to come out strong in support of gays dying of AIDS and Nancy said no.

by Anonymousreply 36Last Monday at 12:09 PM

Catherine de' Medici is pretty notorious.

by Anonymousreply 37Last Monday at 12:13 PM

R37 - I agree. I think she'd be in the Top Five of any such list.

And let us not forget Livia, the wife of Augustus, first emperor of Rome, and her string of murders and schemes to put her own son Tiberius on the throne.

by Anonymousreply 38Last Monday at 12:26 PM

Pat Nixon because it is always safe to blame it on Nixon.

by Anonymousreply 39Last Monday at 12:37 PM

Lucretia Borgia.

by Anonymousreply 40Last Monday at 12:54 PM


by Anonymousreply 41Last Monday at 12:58 PM

I’d give Madame Mao the crown as the most evil consort, period. While some of the others listed were indeed evil, by and large most were just bitches.

I would disagree tho with the inclusion of Dowager Empress Xici and Livia in the category “evil”. The latter is only thought of as evil due to Graves’ series of fictional books presented as Emperor Claudius’ secret history of his family. The former was vilified in life and death by so called “historians” who have subsequently been proven to be frauds, having made up the claims made against Xici.

by Anonymousreply 42Last Monday at 1:04 PM

Clearly Hillary Clinton.

by Anonymousreply 43Last Monday at 1:15 PM


by Anonymousreply 44Last Monday at 1:23 PM

Queen Diana Ross, of the Kingdom of Motown

by Anonymousreply 45Last Monday at 1:53 PM

Melanie, Barbara and Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 46Last Monday at 2:19 PM


by Anonymousreply 47Last Monday at 3:26 PM

Madame Chiang Kai-Shek lived in my friend's building, 10 Gracie Square in New York. She must have had over 20 servants and security people. I saw her several times. She travelled in a black Lincoln Town Car surrounded by 2 SUVs. She was tiny but very aware. Her daughter lived on Fifth ave, 1120, I think. They had a big estate in Oyster Bay on Long Island. She was considered at one time to be the richest and most powerful woman in the world.

by Anonymousreply 48Last Monday at 3:27 PM

If we are talking about first ladies. My two friends in the Secret Service, who served through Ford to Clinton say Nancy was the worst. They didn't have any problem with Barbara.

by Anonymousreply 49Last Monday at 3:56 PM

Cleopatra, consort to Cesar, got her political career of to a great start by having her brother/husband killed.

by Anonymousreply 50Last Monday at 6:01 PM

Livia of Rome definitely, as well as the very young Messalina, Claudius's third wife. His last wife, Aggarapina, as well. And since we're going ancient, Herodias, Salome's mother. Jezebel, wife of Ahab of Israel, another. Their daughter, Athaliah, became queen of Judea and was also notorious, killed around the same time as mama. Certain historical records indicate a doubt that they were related, but my early biblical teaching indicated that they were.

by Anonymousreply 51Last Monday at 6:11 PM

Cleopatra had both of her brothers and her sister Arsinoe killed

by Anonymousreply 52Last Monday at 6:25 PM

This one just died and seems pretty evil.

by Anonymousreply 53Last Monday at 7:20 PM

Isabella of France, queen consort of Edward II of England, who played a principal part in the deposition and murder of her husband

by Anonymousreply 54Last Monday at 7:50 PM

Eleanor of Aquitaine probably belongs on this list.

Anne Boleyn was a royal bitch.

by Anonymousreply 55Last Monday at 8:08 PM

R54 Also known as "She-Wolf of France".

by Anonymousreply 56Last Monday at 8:11 PM

R56 Her son, Edward III, later avenged his father's death by executing her lover and accomplice, Roger Mortimer.

by Anonymousreply 57Last Monday at 8:20 PM


by Anonymousreply 58Last Tuesday at 7:33 PM


by Anonymousreply 59Last Tuesday at 7:41 PM

What did Eleanor do that was evil? Anne Boleyn was a major cunt to Katherine of Aragon, but girl was just trying to get by

by Anonymousreply 60Last Tuesday at 7:43 PM

Actual classical Roman historians almost unanimously believe Livia of the Claudii killed no one at all. That she might have was the invention of Tacitus, then repeated by Robert Graves--in both cases, for melodramatic effect.

Just because it was on a popular dramatic BBC show version from the 1970s of Graves's novel does not mean it was accurate. You queens should know better.

by Anonymousreply 61Last Tuesday at 7:50 PM

Elena Ceausescu.

by Anonymousreply 62Last Tuesday at 7:51 PM

Amatures .

by Anonymousreply 63Last Tuesday at 8:04 PM

r63, read r61.

by Anonymousreply 64Last Tuesday at 8:10 PM

R64 read Suetonius and don't touch the figs

by Anonymousreply 65Last Tuesday at 8:21 PM

[quote]If we are talking about first ladies. My two friends in the Secret Service, who served through Ford to Clinton say Nancy was the worst. They didn't have any problem with Barbara.

Nancy was a screamer. She'd scream, berate, and belittle employees - she enjoyed trying to destroy people. Nancy would even scream at her family and Ronnie to satisfy her sadistic urges - and when she started screamed Ronnie reportedly just sat and blinked.

Bar was more of a schemer - who raised some incredibly dysfunctional children.

by Anonymousreply 66Last Tuesday at 9:53 PM

My God, what happened to Nancy's legs in r66's pic?

by Anonymousreply 67Last Tuesday at 10:49 PM

R67 That's what happens if you spend half your life down on your knees.

by Anonymousreply 68Last Tuesday at 10:51 PM

Babara Bush was a cunt, but I don’t think she was evil.

by Anonymousreply 69Last Tuesday at 11:38 PM

Please: Medea owns this thread. But kudos to the poster who remembered Snow White's stepmother.

by Anonymousreply 70Last Wednesday at 7:55 AM

R63 Sian Phillips was amazing as Livia, but a few years later, playing a vain Greek Queen, she was a bit kinder, but made a horrible mistake in the temple of the Goddess Thetis.

by Anonymousreply 71Last Wednesday at 7:59 AM

R63 Sian Phillips was amazing as Livia, but a few years later, playing a vain Greek Queen, she was a bit kinder, but made a horrible mistake in the temple of the Goddess Thetis.

by Anonymousreply 72Last Wednesday at 7:59 AM

This is pretty awful:

On November 17th 1981 at around 3 a.m. (considered “the devil’s hour” by many Filipinos), scaffolding of the upper floor of the film center collapsed. Some of the workers were impaled on steel bars, some were completely buried in rubble, while others were trapped in quick-drying cement from the waist down.

According to legend, Imelda believed that rescuing the corpses would only delay her project. Thus, Betty Benitez, the project supervisor, ordered cement to be poured over the victims instead. Rumors say that around 168 men were buried alive. It was only after 10 hours that press and official rescuers were allowed access to the scene.

by Anonymousreply 73Last Wednesday at 10:11 AM

R73 That is really horrifying. She must have been reading the biography of Vlad the Impaler and Elisabeth Bathory during that time.

by Anonymousreply 74Last Wednesday at 10:32 AM

However horrible the Marcoses were, and they were, the Aquino family, who the US media worshipped , was much worse. Benigno Aquino Sr was the collaborationist Vice President under Laurel and the Japanese.

by Anonymousreply 75Last Wednesday at 2:16 PM

R60, what Eleanor of Aquataine did that was evil, was to push her sons to rebel against their father. Her husband King Henry II was one of England's more brilliant monarchs, he devoted much of his reign to establishing the rule of law rather than the whim of the monarch. But at some point Eleanor had enough of being his wife, and pushed their sons to start a civil war in an attempt to depose him. Henry won, and kept Eleanor in a series of palace prisons for the rest of her life. That's the situation we see when we re-watch "Game of Thrones".

Of course, that's the only thing I hold against Eleanor, well, maybe participating in the Crusades was also bad but she was hardly alone in that. But I admire her for the "courtly love" thing, I wish every girl got a chance to ditch the king of France for the king of England, and if she helped take out Thomas Beckett then I'm on Team Eleanor! Beckett was horrible.

by Anonymousreply 76Last Wednesday at 3:20 PM

Hypocrite, Michelle Obama. Her husband as commander-in-chief expanded the number of countries in which the U.S. has military involvement from four to seven. He waged a war against Libya to control its oil. Libya is a failed state now. He also killed many civilians including children using drones. It's no wonder, Muslim terrorists hate Americans and their allies.

by Anonymousreply 77Last Wednesday at 8:54 PM
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