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Who was the most evil First Lady/Queen Consort in history?

Was it Madame Mao?

by Anonymousreply 9904/21/2019

Nah- she was a good left-winger. I'd vote for Madame Chiang Kai-shek

by Anonymousreply 104/14/2019

In a cage death match between Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan, Babs would win easily.

She was strong and vicious, that woman.

by Anonymousreply 204/15/2019

Nancy Reagan

by Anonymousreply 304/15/2019

Margaret Trudeau

by Anonymousreply 404/15/2019

Cersei Lannister

by Anonymousreply 504/15/2019

The first two I thought of was Madame Chiang Kai-shek and Nancy Reagan. Though Nancy was a mean-spirited woman and defender of her dear Ronny, Madame Chiang Kai-shek is the clear winner. The stories of when she visited Washington D.C. are legendary. Eleanor Roosevelt couldn't stand her because of her demands and imperial attitude. Wish I could remember the story about this picture of the two of them. (See link below.)

by Anonymousreply 604/15/2019

This bitch.

by Anonymousreply 704/15/2019

Madame Chiang’s father, Charlie Soong, was one of the richest men in China, his fortune built on printing bibles in Chinese. He came to the US to work for his uncle and eventually joined the precursor to the Coast Guard. After ending up in Wilmington, NC he converted to Christianity and attended Duke to become a Methodist missionary in China.

Madame Chiang was educated in Georgia and spoke English with a beautifully lilting, Southern accent. While Mrs, Roosevelt may not have liked her, she charmed the men in Congress when she addressed a joint session in a successful attempt to gain support for the Nationalists after WWII.

by Anonymousreply 804/15/2019

Isabel Peron had it all over Eva. Until Andrew Lloyd Pedo's biography contradicted me I had a theory that he and Tim Rice had originally started writing their musical about Isabel until it was pointed out to them that she was still alive and could thus cause big trouble for them. The line "When will the chorus girl ever learn?" applies more to Isabel, who actually was one, than to Eva, who wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 904/15/2019

Madam Nhu, former First Lady of Vietnam.

by Anonymousreply 1004/15/2019

What's with all the Asians on this thread

by Anonymousreply 1104/15/2019

Madame Chiang kai Shel lived til 2003! She was 105 when she died, wow

by Anonymousreply 1204/15/2019

Empress Dowager Cixi

by Anonymousreply 1304/15/2019

Just wait!

by Anonymousreply 1404/15/2019

No love for Imelda Marcos?

by Anonymousreply 1504/15/2019

Most women mentioned here were just plain old bitches, not evil. They have nothing on Madame Mao - that's the woman who was behind the Cultural Revolution, for Confucius' sake!

by Anonymousreply 1604/15/2019

Somebody's got to say it. Babs was the cuntiest cunt who ever cunted.

by Anonymousreply 1704/15/2019

Probably Madame Mao, in terms of lives lost.

by Anonymousreply 1804/15/2019

First Lady, convinced it's Barbara Bush.

by Anonymousreply 1904/15/2019

Uhmm Her!

by Anonymousreply 2004/15/2019

R20 Great pick. I know she was a seething cunt but the video of her express trial and execution is still pretty shocking to watch. It almost made me feel sorry for her and her husband a bit...almost!

by Anonymousreply 2104/15/2019

Melania the birther

by Anonymousreply 2204/15/2019

Bar Bush, first.

Nancy Reagan, second.

Everyone else can fight over third.

by Anonymousreply 2304/15/2019

Queen Mum. Greedy, entitled, intolerant and she never brushed her teeth. Dragon lady with dragon breath.

by Anonymousreply 2404/15/2019

My favorite Ceausescu story (if there is such a thing): Buckingham Palace got a call from the French government warning them about the Ceausescu's sticky fingers. Apparently, numerous items went missing from the places they visited. So, Betty had to hide the valuables during the British leg of their European tour. How very ironic since the British aristocracy had to hide their valuables when Queen Elizabeth's grandmother the dowager Queen Mary. She was known as a collector who like to fill gaps in her collection from the stately homes she visited.

[quote]It said that before the couple arrived in London on the next leg of a European tour, former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing telephoned Buckingham Palace to warn Queen Elizabeth.

[quote]Giscard d'Estaing described how lamps, vases, ashtrays and bathroom fittings had been removed. "It was as if burglars had moved in for a whole summer," he told the BBC.

[quote]Ceausescu's security officials also reportedly gouged holes in the walls looking for bugging devices.

[quote]The queen ordered palace security officers to keep a close watch on the couple. The program said the queen later described the visit as the worst three days of her life.

by Anonymousreply 2504/15/2019

Well there are a good many decent candidates: Catherine the Great, Imelda Marcos, Marie Antoinette, and leave us not forget the Medicis . . .

by Anonymousreply 2604/15/2019

R24 At least Queen Mom loved her gays, you gotta give her that.

by Anonymousreply 2704/15/2019

r26, I would call them indecent candidates.

by Anonymousreply 2804/15/2019

Rosmah and her Bijan bags

by Anonymousreply 2904/15/2019

Marie Antoinette was not remotely evil. She was just rather dim.

by Anonymousreply 3004/15/2019

Rosmah Mansor is ugly both inside and out.

by Anonymousreply 3104/15/2019

In [R6] Eleanor Roosevelt giving Madame...the finger? lol

by Anonymousreply 3204/15/2019

R30 - I'll stipulate to that. But intentionally or not, she did damage . . . You could say the same about the last Tsarina of Russia - not intentionally evil but her stupidity, and her husband's, led to suffering.

Margaret of Anjou, in her time as Queen of England, was much hated and managed to do quite a bit of damage, as well.

by Anonymousreply 3304/15/2019

Margaret was supposedly a major bitch, but it could be argued that she did what she did to preserve her husband's throne and her son's succession.

by Anonymousreply 3404/15/2019

R34 - She did much more than that - a great many people died for her ambition.

Margaret ruled the kingdom in Henry's place due to his mental instability. It was Margaret who called for a Great Council that excluded the Yorkist faction. This helped to spark a civil conflict that lasted for more than 30 years, decimated the old nobility of England, and caused the deaths of thousands of men, including her only son Edward of Westminster, Prince of Wales, at the Battle of Tewkesbury.

She spilled a great deal of blood. She didn't start the Wars of the Roses, Henry Bolingbroke seeded it when he usurped the throne of Richard II, but she ignited it.

by Anonymousreply 3504/15/2019

I think a lot of you are confusing bitchiness for evilness. Was Babs Bush or Nancy Reagan really "evil?" Some of you act like Ronald Reagan wanted to come out strong in support of gays dying of AIDS and Nancy said no.

by Anonymousreply 3604/15/2019

Catherine de' Medici is pretty notorious.

by Anonymousreply 3704/15/2019

R37 - I agree. I think she'd be in the Top Five of any such list.

And let us not forget Livia, the wife of Augustus, first emperor of Rome, and her string of murders and schemes to put her own son Tiberius on the throne.

by Anonymousreply 3804/15/2019

Pat Nixon because it is always safe to blame it on Nixon.

by Anonymousreply 3904/15/2019

Lucretia Borgia.

by Anonymousreply 4004/15/2019


by Anonymousreply 4104/15/2019

I’d give Madame Mao the crown as the most evil consort, period. While some of the others listed were indeed evil, by and large most were just bitches.

I would disagree tho with the inclusion of Dowager Empress Xici and Livia in the category “evil”. The latter is only thought of as evil due to Graves’ series of fictional books presented as Emperor Claudius’ secret history of his family. The former was vilified in life and death by so called “historians” who have subsequently been proven to be frauds, having made up the claims made against Xici.

by Anonymousreply 4204/15/2019

Clearly Hillary Clinton.

by Anonymousreply 4304/15/2019


by Anonymousreply 4404/15/2019

Queen Diana Ross, of the Kingdom of Motown

by Anonymousreply 4504/15/2019

Melanie, Barbara and Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 4604/15/2019


by Anonymousreply 4704/15/2019

Madame Chiang Kai-Shek lived in my friend's building, 10 Gracie Square in New York. She must have had over 20 servants and security people. I saw her several times. She travelled in a black Lincoln Town Car surrounded by 2 SUVs. She was tiny but very aware. Her daughter lived on Fifth ave, 1120, I think. They had a big estate in Oyster Bay on Long Island. She was considered at one time to be the richest and most powerful woman in the world.

by Anonymousreply 4804/15/2019

If we are talking about first ladies. My two friends in the Secret Service, who served through Ford to Clinton say Nancy was the worst. They didn't have any problem with Barbara.

by Anonymousreply 4904/15/2019

Cleopatra, consort to Cesar, got her political career of to a great start by having her brother/husband killed.

by Anonymousreply 5004/15/2019

Livia of Rome definitely, as well as the very young Messalina, Claudius's third wife. His last wife, Aggarapina, as well. And since we're going ancient, Herodias, Salome's mother. Jezebel, wife of Ahab of Israel, another. Their daughter, Athaliah, became queen of Judea and was also notorious, killed around the same time as mama. Certain historical records indicate a doubt that they were related, but my early biblical teaching indicated that they were.

by Anonymousreply 5104/15/2019

Cleopatra had both of her brothers and her sister Arsinoe killed

by Anonymousreply 5204/15/2019

This one just died and seems pretty evil.

by Anonymousreply 5304/15/2019

Isabella of France, queen consort of Edward II of England, who played a principal part in the deposition and murder of her husband

by Anonymousreply 5404/15/2019

Eleanor of Aquitaine probably belongs on this list.

Anne Boleyn was a royal bitch.

by Anonymousreply 5504/15/2019

R54 Also known as "She-Wolf of France".

by Anonymousreply 5604/15/2019

R56 Her son, Edward III, later avenged his father's death by executing her lover and accomplice, Roger Mortimer.

by Anonymousreply 5704/15/2019


by Anonymousreply 5804/16/2019


by Anonymousreply 5904/16/2019

What did Eleanor do that was evil? Anne Boleyn was a major cunt to Katherine of Aragon, but girl was just trying to get by

by Anonymousreply 6004/16/2019

Actual classical Roman historians almost unanimously believe Livia of the Claudii killed no one at all. That she might have was the invention of Tacitus, then repeated by Robert Graves--in both cases, for melodramatic effect.

Just because it was on a popular dramatic BBC show version from the 1970s of Graves's novel does not mean it was accurate. You queens should know better.

by Anonymousreply 6104/16/2019

Elena Ceausescu.

by Anonymousreply 6204/16/2019

Amatures .

by Anonymousreply 6304/16/2019

r63, read r61.

by Anonymousreply 6404/16/2019

R64 read Suetonius and don't touch the figs

by Anonymousreply 6504/16/2019

[quote]If we are talking about first ladies. My two friends in the Secret Service, who served through Ford to Clinton say Nancy was the worst. They didn't have any problem with Barbara.

Nancy was a screamer. She'd scream, berate, and belittle employees - she enjoyed trying to destroy people. Nancy would even scream at her family and Ronnie to satisfy her sadistic urges - and when she started screamed Ronnie reportedly just sat and blinked.

Bar was more of a schemer - who raised some incredibly dysfunctional children.

by Anonymousreply 6604/16/2019

My God, what happened to Nancy's legs in r66's pic?

by Anonymousreply 6704/16/2019

R67 That's what happens if you spend half your life down on your knees.

by Anonymousreply 6804/16/2019

Babara Bush was a cunt, but I don’t think she was evil.

by Anonymousreply 6904/16/2019

Please: Medea owns this thread. But kudos to the poster who remembered Snow White's stepmother.

by Anonymousreply 7004/17/2019

R63 Sian Phillips was amazing as Livia, but a few years later, playing a vain Greek Queen, she was a bit kinder, but made a horrible mistake in the temple of the Goddess Thetis.

by Anonymousreply 7104/17/2019

R63 Sian Phillips was amazing as Livia, but a few years later, playing a vain Greek Queen, she was a bit kinder, but made a horrible mistake in the temple of the Goddess Thetis.

by Anonymousreply 7204/17/2019

This is pretty awful:

On November 17th 1981 at around 3 a.m. (considered “the devil’s hour” by many Filipinos), scaffolding of the upper floor of the film center collapsed. Some of the workers were impaled on steel bars, some were completely buried in rubble, while others were trapped in quick-drying cement from the waist down.

According to legend, Imelda believed that rescuing the corpses would only delay her project. Thus, Betty Benitez, the project supervisor, ordered cement to be poured over the victims instead. Rumors say that around 168 men were buried alive. It was only after 10 hours that press and official rescuers were allowed access to the scene.

by Anonymousreply 7304/17/2019

R73 That is really horrifying. She must have been reading the biography of Vlad the Impaler and Elisabeth Bathory during that time.

by Anonymousreply 7404/17/2019

However horrible the Marcoses were, and they were, the Aquino family, who the US media worshipped , was much worse. Benigno Aquino Sr was the collaborationist Vice President under Laurel and the Japanese.

by Anonymousreply 7504/17/2019

R60, what Eleanor of Aquataine did that was evil, was to push her sons to rebel against their father. Her husband King Henry II was one of England's more brilliant monarchs, he devoted much of his reign to establishing the rule of law rather than the whim of the monarch. But at some point Eleanor had enough of being his wife, and pushed their sons to start a civil war in an attempt to depose him. Henry won, and kept Eleanor in a series of palace prisons for the rest of her life. That's the situation we see when we re-watch "Game of Thrones".

Of course, that's the only thing I hold against Eleanor, well, maybe participating in the Crusades was also bad but she was hardly alone in that. But I admire her for the "courtly love" thing, I wish every girl got a chance to ditch the king of France for the king of England, and if she helped take out Thomas Beckett then I'm on Team Eleanor! Beckett was horrible.

by Anonymousreply 7604/17/2019

Hypocrite, Michelle Obama. Her husband as commander-in-chief expanded the number of countries in which the U.S. has military involvement from four to seven. He waged a war against Libya to control its oil. Libya is a failed state now. He also killed many civilians including children using drones. It's no wonder, Muslim terrorists hate Americans and their allies.

by Anonymousreply 7704/17/2019

Racist, Bess Truman

by Anonymousreply 7804/20/2019

Lady MacBeth was actually a real, historical person. I mainly know her only from Shakespeare, which was a version written for political favor, so I don't know how accurate his portrayal is.

by Anonymousreply 7904/21/2019

Madamé Lindzey

by Anonymousreply 8004/21/2019

China's only female emperor killed hundreds, included two children, in her pursuit of the throne.

by Anonymousreply 8104/21/2019

It's gotta be someone from way back when.

by Anonymousreply 8204/21/2019

[quote]Amatures .

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 8304/21/2019

r77 Please explain how Michelle had anything to do with that.

by Anonymousreply 8404/21/2019

You gays are slipping.

Mine is the only palace where the Queen stands guard, bitches.

by Anonymousreply 8504/21/2019

R78 After hearing that Kate Smith has been labeled a racist because of a song that she did in the 1930's, I am not ever going to accept a racist label again for people in the past. So take your Bess Truman bullshit and shove it up your ass! If we start cutting people out of favor who made any sort of racist reference, the entire past would be erased. But it seems that's what you SJW's want. Erase the past and claim you created civilization!

by Anonymousreply 8604/21/2019

R85 She should be flattered that someone so beautiful ended up playing her! my only hope is that Leona visits Trump on Christmas Eve as his Jacob Marley.

Soon to be a musical at 54 Below starring Tovah Feldshuh!

by Anonymousreply 8704/21/2019

Can someone change the spelling on Lloyd Bridges' button and put one on Suzanne Pleshette that says "so am I"?

by Anonymousreply 8804/21/2019

R84 Michelle is constantly acting as a PR for Obama’s bad policies that caused the death of many civilians in the Middle East. She could have kept her mouth shut.

She also shamed women for not voting for Hillary. If voters had no interest for voting for Hillary’s bad policies because she didn’t offer any kind of economic benefits for the working class in difficult times, then voters had a right to express their individual own opinions about Hillary. This is what democracy is about. It is not about having someone forcing or shaming them to vote for someone against their personal beliefs or interests. It would like a company forcing customers to buy their bad products. Hillary didn’t give the working class what they need. She was trying to appeal to the dwindling middle class. She couldn’t even get the middle class Republicans to flip their votes.

by Anonymousreply 8904/21/2019

^^^ Correction:

It would 'be' like a company forcing customers to buy their bad products.

by Anonymousreply 9004/21/2019

R81 Hundreds? What an amateur. Get back to me when you kill a million

by Anonymousreply 9104/21/2019

R91 YASS queen, slay!

by Anonymousreply 9204/21/2019

R86 In 1961, David Susskind conducted a series of interviews with former President Truman in Independence. After picking Truman up at his home to take him to the Truman Presidential Library for the interviews over a number of days, Susskind asked Truman why he had not been invited into the home. According to presidential historian Michael Beschloss, Truman flatly told Susskind, "This is Bess's house" and that there had never been nor would there ever be a Jewish guest in there.

I don’t excuse racism like some people do. Racism can kill. Remember the Nazis.

Is it okay to excuse homophobia if it happened in the past?

If it weren’t for SJW’s, Mayor Pete wouldn’t be a Democratic candidate.

by Anonymousreply 9304/21/2019

[quote] Henry won, and kept Eleanor in a series of palace prisons for the rest of her life.

No. Eleanor was kept in palace prisons for the rest of Henry's life. She survived him and was quite influential in the reigns of her sons Richard and John.

by Anonymousreply 9404/21/2019

and look how John turned out. Classic mama's boy

by Anonymousreply 9504/21/2019

Welcome the Trumptard at R77!

by Anonymousreply 9604/21/2019

R96 Michelle is constantly acting as a PR for Obama whose bad policies caused the death of many civilians in the Middle East. She could have kept her mouth shut.

by Anonymousreply 9704/21/2019

What happened?

by Anonymousreply 9804/21/2019

[quote]I don’t excuse racism like some people do. Racism can kill. Remember the Nazis.

Jews are not a race. That is not racism -- it's bigotry.

by Anonymousreply 9904/21/2019
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