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"Gone With The Wind" on TCM now.

Anybody wanna watch with me?

Back in the 70s I knew a girl who was obsessed with Vivien Leigh in this role. She used Vivien as the model for her nose job, and damn if she didn't kinda look like her afterwards!

by Anonymousreply 111Last Tuesday at 9:02 PM

Loved the classic Osborne intro.

by Anonymousreply 1Last Sunday at 4:18 PM

It ain't fittin' gurl

by Anonymousreply 2Last Sunday at 4:19 PM

" . . . the White Trash Slattery girl."

by Anonymousreply 3Last Sunday at 4:20 PM

India looks like she could be Charles' mother, not her beau.

by Anonymousreply 4Last Sunday at 4:26 PM

Yes! Seeing Osborne relatively young, just starting out on this new channel, is poignant. Josh M is good, but I miss Robert.

I love the relationship between Scarlett and Mammy, despite the true context. There is so much humanity in this movie, even though it depicts the worst period in our country's history. It took me years to really appreciate it.

Oh my god, that zoom in on Gable, and Scarlett's immediate understanding of his sexual nature.

by Anonymousreply 5Last Sunday at 4:27 PM

That look of Vivien's, with the flailed nostril and raised eyebrow. VERY few people can look like that on camera.

by Anonymousreply 6Last Sunday at 4:29 PM

^ FLAIRED nostril, jfc autocorrect!

by Anonymousreply 7Last Sunday at 4:30 PM

The way she pinches her cheeks for color, then coolly assesses herself.

by Anonymousreply 8Last Sunday at 4:31 PM

Vivian Leigh did have a perfect nose. In her prime she was as beautiful as it gets IMO. Hard to imagine that movie without her really. I saw it in a theater when I was youngish--just remember it seemed too long. Read the book later. One case where the movie was better than the book. Enjoy it!

by Anonymousreply 9Last Sunday at 4:31 PM

. . . Yo' ain't be ackin like po' white trash chillin'!"

by Anonymousreply 10Last Sunday at 4:32 PM

I've seen it a number of times, but the first half is better than the second, for sure. I'm trying to watch with fresh eyes.

The history of the Civil War is so complicated. Many shades of sorrow.

by Anonymousreply 11Last Sunday at 4:33 PM

And now for some photos.

Rhett and Scarlett.

by Anonymousreply 12Last Sunday at 4:36 PM

GOD but Gable is fucking sexy in this film.

by Anonymousreply 13Last Sunday at 4:37 PM

Scarlett and Mammy.

by Anonymousreply 14Last Sunday at 4:37 PM

Prissy is my favorite character.

by Anonymousreply 15Last Sunday at 4:38 PM

Does anyone know about the casting of Howard? Wasn’t Ashley in the book young and hot? My God, Howard looked older than Gable. Only false note in the film.

by Anonymousreply 16Last Sunday at 4:39 PM

Scarlett, Melanie, Ashley, and the famous winding staircase.

by Anonymousreply 17Last Sunday at 4:39 PM

The casting of all the roles is impeccable, with the possible exception of Ashley. Charles, Pittypat, Gerald, Mammy, Prissy, Belle, India - characters captured in broad unforgettable strokes.

So many memorable scenes - the amputation scene scared me so much, the entire middle from Melanie giving birth to Scarlett find her Mother dead and Pa insane. The war starting.

Could easily have been a talking heads movie. Notice how much activity occurs on stairs, even 1-2 steps so characters are moving. Same for windows - so much activity occurs while looking through windows.

by Anonymousreply 18Last Sunday at 4:39 PM

How quickly did they pull together Scarlett's wedding to Charles?

by Anonymousreply 19Last Sunday at 4:40 PM

The iconic photo of Clark Gable.

by Anonymousreply 20Last Sunday at 4:41 PM

Mammy is the moral conscience and social arbiter of this movie.

by Anonymousreply 21Last Sunday at 4:41 PM

Ashley is so incredibly boring and nonsexual.

by Anonymousreply 22Last Sunday at 4:41 PM

With her 2 gentlemen callers at the beginning of the movie.

by Anonymousreply 23Last Sunday at 4:43 PM

Yes but Ashley is the epitome of the Southern Gentleman, landed gentry, the man they would all have been conditioned to want.

And R23, isn't one of them George "Superman" Reeves?

by Anonymousreply 24Last Sunday at 4:44 PM

^^ Yes, Superman.

by Anonymousreply 25Last Sunday at 4:45 PM

Olivia is so beautiful and perfect in her role.

by Anonymousreply 26Last Sunday at 4:45 PM

R11 That's a movie syndrome. Lots of excellent movies set up well in the first half but just trail away in the second.

Speilberg hated it and insisted that his movies have a strong 'story arc'

by Anonymousreply 27Last Sunday at 4:47 PM

It wouldn't be GWTW without Prissy.

by Anonymousreply 28Last Sunday at 4:47 PM

And the famous ending.

by Anonymousreply 29Last Sunday at 4:49 PM

Ha, when Scarlett accepts the "bidding," Rhett knows she's a GOER!

by Anonymousreply 30Last Sunday at 4:49 PM

How come the camera is moving so fast as they're dancing? They're not really dancing that fast.

by Anonymousreply 31Last Sunday at 4:50 PM

Trivia: at only one point in the entire movie do all four leads appear on the screen at the same time. Occurs when Rhett brings a wounded Ashley the bedroom after the raid on Shantytown.

by Anonymousreply 32Last Sunday at 4:50 PM

Look at that gown!

by Anonymousreply 33Last Sunday at 4:50 PM

R27, I think part of it is the reality of the Civil War. The first part is a giddy buildup. The second half is sadness.

by Anonymousreply 34Last Sunday at 4:51 PM

Pretty green hat. But the front and back look the same - why would Rhett think it was backwards?

by Anonymousreply 35Last Sunday at 4:51 PM

That's handsome George Reeves to the right.

by Anonymousreply 36Last Sunday at 4:53 PM

Leslie Howard was a HUGE star in the early 30s. By the time 1939 came around, his style of acting was somewhat dated. It's funny how he has this genteel, noble image, but he was a real pussyhound in real life. Died fairly young, I believe, unlike his screen wife.

by Anonymousreply 37Last Sunday at 4:54 PM

Rhett lays down the law.

by Anonymousreply 38Last Sunday at 4:55 PM

Saw it at a movie theater last year! Amazing!

by Anonymousreply 39Last Sunday at 4:56 PM

Rhett was correct about the hat orientation, in my opinion.

The war horrors bring a lump to my throat. Regardless of how you feel about the Confederacy, it was a terrible bloody war in our own country, and the human toll was heartbreaking. It's well depicted here, I feel.

by Anonymousreply 40Last Sunday at 4:57 PM

[quote]FLAIRED nostril, jfc autocorrect!

You have quite a flair for malapropism, r7. FLARED nostril is what you’re trying to say.

by Anonymousreply 41Last Sunday at 4:57 PM

Barbara O'Neil, who played Scarlett's mother, was only five years older than Vivien Leigh.

Billie Burke did a screen test for the role of Aunt Pitty-Pat, she fainted under the hot lights while wearing her hoop skirt & extra padding to look plumper & lost the part.

by Anonymousreply 42Last Sunday at 4:58 PM

R41 Ok, I have to laugh at myself. 'Deed I do have a flair for the flare!

by Anonymousreply 43Last Sunday at 4:58 PM

R42, when did this happen in relation to "Wizard of Oz"?

by Anonymousreply 44Last Sunday at 4:59 PM

This is one of those movies that affirms for me that sex is best implied rather than explicitly depicted.

by Anonymousreply 45Last Sunday at 5:01 PM

That's bullshit, r42!

by Anonymousreply 46Last Sunday at 5:01 PM

Both Olivia de Havilland and Hattie McDaniel were nominated for Best Supporting Actress Oscar. It was probably Mammy's realistic and touching scene on the staircase that brought Hattie the Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 47Last Sunday at 5:02 PM

Whoops, correction: O'Neil was only three years older than Leigh.

by Anonymousreply 48Last Sunday at 5:03 PM

The famous dance scene, the 2 leads dressed in black.

by Anonymousreply 49Last Sunday at 5:05 PM

Maybe it's because of how divided our country is now, but this movie makes me terribly sad.

by Anonymousreply 50Last Sunday at 5:07 PM

Wizard of Oz wrapped by the end of December, 1938, shortly after GWTW started shooting. Billie Burke could have probably done both. The only screentests I’ve ever seen are for Scarlett, Melanie, Mammy, and Ashley. I wonder if any exist for other characters? Didn’t Tallulah test for Belle Watling?

by Anonymousreply 51Last Sunday at 5:07 PM

I love that Aunt Pitty is about to just abandon Melly upstairs. Like, Pitty's all packed and Melly's bedridden upstairs

by Anonymousreply 52Last Sunday at 5:15 PM

R52- That's right- Pitty didn't care about Melanie at all. That was a strange piece of writing.

by Anonymousreply 53Last Sunday at 5:17 PM

It must have been terrible wearing all that clothing in the heat with no air conditioning.

by Anonymousreply 54Last Sunday at 5:18 PM

The poignancy of Scarlett delivering Melanie's baby....

by Anonymousreply 55Last Sunday at 5:19 PM

Pittypat was basically a child, helpless to do anything for herself. She wouldn't have been any help to Melanie. Can you imagine her being with Scarlett, Melanie (baby), Prissy, and Rhett as they fled Atlanta while it was burning? Oh hell, no.

by Anonymousreply 56Last Sunday at 5:21 PM

If Scarlett was so sheltered, how would she know she needed boiling water and twine?

by Anonymousreply 57Last Sunday at 5:23 PM

I think she just wanted to make some tea and tie Melly to the bed.

by Anonymousreply 58Last Sunday at 5:30 PM

Rhett has full appreciation of Scarlett. Her sexuality, strength, capability.

by Anonymousreply 59Last Sunday at 5:35 PM

I love that kiss. It's as if she's so overwhelmed by how good that kiss is, that it enrages her, making her feel... Unladylike. Again unlike her mother. So complex and good.

by Anonymousreply 60Last Sunday at 5:39 PM

R37: you are correct Leslie Howard died 4 years after GWTW. He was on a plane flying from Lisbon to London and the Germans shot it down, thinking (incorrectly) that Winston Churchill was on the plane. (In fact a plump, short man was on the plane - as a decoy to fool Nazi agents in Lisbon).

by Anonymousreply 61Last Sunday at 5:42 PM

R16, Leslie Howard was a big star, having scored two previous Best Actor Oscar nominations, for "Berkeley Square" (1933) and "Pygmalion" (1938). Producer David O. Selznick personally asked for him for the part of Ashley, but Howard was tired of playing weak-willed characters and didn't think that he, in his mid-40s, could pull off playing a man in his 20s. So Selznick offered Howard a producer credit on his next film "Intermezzo" and he acquiesced.

Howard was actually embarrassed about having to be primped and made up to look young and pretty when he knew it was a futile effort.

by Anonymousreply 62Last Sunday at 5:46 PM

Really, R61? Holy shit, I had no idea. Poor Leslie.

by Anonymousreply 63Last Sunday at 5:46 PM

Scarlett steps up. She's an executive.

by Anonymousreply 64Last Sunday at 5:47 PM

As God as my witness, I'll never be hungry again....brilliant

by Anonymousreply 65Last Sunday at 5:49 PM

"God as my witness...." BAAAWWWWWWW! (Seriously, weeping here.)

by Anonymousreply 66Last Sunday at 5:52 PM

Love the old Stephen Foster tunes.

by Anonymousreply 67Last Sunday at 5:53 PM

I dream of Jeannie, she's a light, brown hare...

by Anonymousreply 68Last Sunday at 5:56 PM

Ona Munson who played Belle Watling died by suicide. She was an open lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 69Last Sunday at 5:56 PM

The actress who played Prissy, died from burns trying to light a stove heater.

by Anonymousreply 70Last Sunday at 6:00 PM

BAM, right in the fucking face!

by Anonymousreply 71Last Sunday at 6:00 PM

Melly was tough, too.

by Anonymousreply 72Last Sunday at 6:01 PM

Leslie kept forgetting his lines when they filmed this and a vivien finally had enough and cussed him out. He was not a team player at all and filming with him was a chore.

by Anonymousreply 73Last Sunday at 6:11 PM

Mickey Kuhn, as a child actor who played Beau Wilkes, is still living.

by Anonymousreply 74Last Sunday at 6:15 PM

R73 WOW, imagine!

by Anonymousreply 75Last Sunday at 6:16 PM

I'm nervous. She's s looking at me.

by Anonymousreply 76Last Sunday at 6:17 PM

I wonder if the rape/sex scene was considered scandalous at the time this film was created, especially with her happiness the next morning as she lay there thinking about the night before.

by Anonymousreply 77Last Sunday at 6:23 PM

Fathom Events had this in theaters last month and that morning-after giggle had the audience laughing as if they were shocked and wondering if how they were taking it--that she enjoyed sex the night before--was how they were supposed to take it. It was an odd laughter but I thought it hysterical how an audience full of people laughed uneasily over something like that. I mean... We see cock these days.

by Anonymousreply 78Last Sunday at 6:27 PM

Love how Sam saves Scarlett. Beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 79Last Sunday at 6:37 PM

They're using a very dark print tonight. There was a 4K restoration done that shows more detail and lightens some shadows. I wonder if they're showing the copy they used on 1994 when they first aired it.

by Anonymousreply 80Last Sunday at 6:44 PM

Mrs. Meade wants to know what a bordello looks like. ❤️

by Anonymousreply 81Last Sunday at 6:47 PM

Ok, I'm OP, and I'm exhausted. This really is two movies. Or two viewings.

by Anonymousreply 82Last Sunday at 6:48 PM

We love you, OP! Thank you for starting this thread!

by Anonymousreply 83Last Sunday at 7:00 PM

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by Anonymousreply 84Last Sunday at 7:19 PM

Another discrepancy is that at the point that old crazy Gerald O'Hara dies after falling from the horse it's right after the Civil War has ended and the O'Haras haven't a pot to piss in. Scarlet' main concern is 'how are they going to pay the taxes on Tara ?'

So former overseer Wilkerson shows up with his new bride Emmy Slattery and offers to buy Tara. Scarlet tells them off and throws dirt in his face. The Wilkersons leave and Gerald O'Hara goes after them on his horse who throws him when he makes a jump. They have no money, the father dies and in the next scene it shows the father's gravestone with all of the inscription engraved. So, where did the money come from to buy the gravestone & engrave it ?

by Anonymousreply 85Last Sunday at 7:35 PM

[quote]Ona Munson who played Belle Watling died by suicide. She was an open lesbian.

Really? I knew about the suicide, but not that she was a lesbian!

by Anonymousreply 86Last Sunday at 7:35 PM

If she was a lesbian she was also married to a man ........

by Anonymousreply 87Last Sunday at 7:37 PM

[quote]So, where did the money come from to buy the gravestone & engrave it ?

Scarlett got a low-interest loan from the Small Business Administration.

by Anonymousreply 88Last Sunday at 7:38 PM

The movie really needed another couple of visits from Aunt Pittypat in the second half.

by Anonymousreply 89Last Sunday at 7:39 PM

Boy oh boy did Hattie McDaniel deserve that Oscar. Sob.

by Anonymousreply 90Last Sunday at 7:44 PM

Sorry I hate that racist propaganda film. Why doesn’t someone make a holocaust movie from the perspective of spoiled German girl who’s inconvenienced by WW II?

by Anonymousreply 91Last Sunday at 7:53 PM

Oh, Sam! Fiddle dee dee.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Sunday at 7:54 PM

R91

It's not racist propaganda. Racist propaganda would also promote the slavery aspect which it does not. Most of the real slaves in the south at that time were only several generations out of the bush.

by Anonymousreply 93Last Sunday at 8:03 PM

One aspect that is played up in the book but not the movie is how Scarlett is an outsider (half Irish). Rhett is also whinier and less noble in book and you see more of how Scarlett and Rhett are two sides of the same coin. In the movie that's implied but not truly shown. I've always thought Rhett comes across as a little too saintly and not genuinely dangerous enough in the movie. Anyone else agree?

I think Leigh was perfect and Gable was near perfect. There's something a little hammy and artificial about his performance, I think. They had such chemistry on screen that it doesn't matter.

The arc with Melanie and Scarlett is so poignant and underappreciated.

by Anonymousreply 94Last Sunday at 8:06 PM

I have to defend Leslie Howard as Ashley, although I understand exactly where people fault his casting.

But think.

He's a Southern gentleman and a cultured person with a high sense of morals and (in the book) ambivalence about slavery. Like Rhett, he understands the South has signed its own death warrant. Unlike Rhett, he cares. he is prematurely aged by what goes on. As the war is lost and he is reduced to farm labor, he feels himself to be worthless. His true moment of glory is to suggest - obliquely and with respect - to Scarlett that her true heart and anything she can salvage of her own corrupt nature is bound to Tara. At the end he is demolished when his wife dies and Scarlett is unable to comfort him.

And remember: Scarlett is in love not with him but with what he represents. His haggard face and mournful performance go unnoticed by her in any meaningful sense. In some ways this is a rare and early and shocking portrayal of sexual objectification seen from a woman's point of view.

The same is true of Twelve Oaks. Tara is believable as a plantation mansion. Twelve Oaks is a fantasy - Scarlett's fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 95Last Sunday at 8:08 PM

Clark Gable was nominated for an Oscar in GWTW but didn't win, one of the few losers for the famous movie.

by Anonymousreply 96Last Sunday at 8:21 PM

[quote]r19 How quickly did they pull together Scarlett's wedding to Charles?

Very. It's her mother Ellen's dress, from an earlier era, and deliberately made too long for Leigh.

by Anonymousreply 97Last Sunday at 8:44 PM

Suellen went on to marry Charles Vidor, John Huston, Artie Shaw, and a few others.

She was poised to marry Mike Todd when Liz Taylor suddenly swooped in. tallons outstretched .

by Anonymousreply 98Last Sunday at 8:55 PM

The worldly Evelyn Keyes (Suellen O'Hara)

by Anonymousreply 99Last Sunday at 8:58 PM

My favorite line delivery is by Hattie McDaniel:

"I told him you was prostrate with grief."

by Anonymousreply 100Last Sunday at 9:16 PM

R96, I think the only reason he lost is because he just won for "It Happened One Night".

by Anonymousreply 101Last Monday at 7:46 AM

R101 Luise Rainer, Walter Brennan and Bette Davis won multiple Oscar in this period so it doesn’t have anything to do with him just winning 5 years prior. In fact, Gable didn’t even place second. Back in those days, the vote tallies were released and James Stewart placed second to winner Robert Donat. Gable wasn’t the best actor, he normally just played his usual charm and bluster. I think his standout scene in GWTW was when he was drunk after Bonnie is killed. But the whole performance didn’t have enough range and was mostly what you would expect from Gable compared to plum parts like Donat and Stewart had.

by Anonymousreply 102Last Monday at 10:43 AM
by Anonymousreply 103Last Monday at 11:21 AM

(R91 “Out of the bush”u silly racist twit. U should find a bush and hide in it forever. GWTW promotes the idea “slavery light” never the real experience of rape, torture and dehumanization that was real for slaves.

by Anonymousreply 104Last Monday at 3:34 PM

R104 the film was not about slavery or the slaves. That was incident to the story. Further, most of the shaves portrayed were House slaves, who generally had it better than field slaves. Field salves weren’t given honorafic titles of aunt and uncle like Uncle Peter.

by Anonymousreply 105Last Monday at 5:08 PM

(R104) You’re correct. It wasn’t about the slaves who were completely incidental to the story. It WAS about the civil war, a war fought to justify the kidnapping, enslavement and murder of millions of people to serve privileged white people in their delusion that they were better other races.

GWTW is part of the reason why America has never made peace with its racists past. It is a racist bit of propaganda designed to distract from the horror of slavery! Ignoring and back burning horror doesn’t stop it from being horrible. Speak truth to power!

by Anonymousreply 106Last Monday at 7:44 PM

[QUOTE]She was poised to marry Mike Todd when Liz Taylor suddenly swooped in. tallons outstretched .

Every account I've read is that TODD became infatuated with TAYLOR and went after her.

by Anonymousreply 107Last Tuesday at 9:12 AM

R106, you sound like a real fun person.

by Anonymousreply 108Last Tuesday at 5:23 PM

I am a fun guy. But It never helps to hide from the truth. And I love all people.

by Anonymousreply 109Last Tuesday at 7:51 PM

What about this outfit, couldn’t you just die for those back crosses?

by Anonymousreply 110Last Tuesday at 7:56 PM

How about this outfit? Couldn’t you just Die from that crisscrossed back

by Anonymousreply 111Last Tuesday at 9:02 PM
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