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"Gone With The Wind" on TCM now.

Anybody wanna watch with me?

Back in the 70s I knew a girl who was obsessed with Vivien Leigh in this role. She used Vivien as the model for her nose job, and damn if she didn't kinda look like her afterwards!

by Anonymousreply 11104/16/2019

Loved the classic Osborne intro.

by Anonymousreply 104/14/2019

It ain't fittin' gurl

by Anonymousreply 204/14/2019

" . . . the White Trash Slattery girl."

by Anonymousreply 304/14/2019

India looks like she could be Charles' mother, not her beau.

by Anonymousreply 404/14/2019

Yes! Seeing Osborne relatively young, just starting out on this new channel, is poignant. Josh M is good, but I miss Robert.

I love the relationship between Scarlett and Mammy, despite the true context. There is so much humanity in this movie, even though it depicts the worst period in our country's history. It took me years to really appreciate it.

Oh my god, that zoom in on Gable, and Scarlett's immediate understanding of his sexual nature.

by Anonymousreply 504/14/2019

That look of Vivien's, with the flailed nostril and raised eyebrow. VERY few people can look like that on camera.

by Anonymousreply 604/14/2019

^ FLAIRED nostril, jfc autocorrect!

by Anonymousreply 704/14/2019

The way she pinches her cheeks for color, then coolly assesses herself.

by Anonymousreply 804/14/2019

Vivian Leigh did have a perfect nose. In her prime she was as beautiful as it gets IMO. Hard to imagine that movie without her really. I saw it in a theater when I was youngish--just remember it seemed too long. Read the book later. One case where the movie was better than the book. Enjoy it!

by Anonymousreply 904/14/2019

. . . Yo' ain't be ackin like po' white trash chillin'!"

by Anonymousreply 1004/14/2019

I've seen it a number of times, but the first half is better than the second, for sure. I'm trying to watch with fresh eyes.

The history of the Civil War is so complicated. Many shades of sorrow.

by Anonymousreply 1104/14/2019

And now for some photos.

Rhett and Scarlett.

by Anonymousreply 1204/14/2019

GOD but Gable is fucking sexy in this film.

by Anonymousreply 1304/14/2019

Scarlett and Mammy.

by Anonymousreply 1404/14/2019

Prissy is my favorite character.

by Anonymousreply 1504/14/2019

Does anyone know about the casting of Howard? Wasn’t Ashley in the book young and hot? My God, Howard looked older than Gable. Only false note in the film.

by Anonymousreply 1604/14/2019

Scarlett, Melanie, Ashley, and the famous winding staircase.

by Anonymousreply 1704/14/2019

The casting of all the roles is impeccable, with the possible exception of Ashley. Charles, Pittypat, Gerald, Mammy, Prissy, Belle, India - characters captured in broad unforgettable strokes.

So many memorable scenes - the amputation scene scared me so much, the entire middle from Melanie giving birth to Scarlett find her Mother dead and Pa insane. The war starting.

Could easily have been a talking heads movie. Notice how much activity occurs on stairs, even 1-2 steps so characters are moving. Same for windows - so much activity occurs while looking through windows.

by Anonymousreply 1804/14/2019

How quickly did they pull together Scarlett's wedding to Charles?

by Anonymousreply 1904/14/2019

The iconic photo of Clark Gable.

by Anonymousreply 2004/14/2019

Mammy is the moral conscience and social arbiter of this movie.

by Anonymousreply 2104/14/2019

Ashley is so incredibly boring and nonsexual.

by Anonymousreply 2204/14/2019

With her 2 gentlemen callers at the beginning of the movie.

by Anonymousreply 2304/14/2019

Yes but Ashley is the epitome of the Southern Gentleman, landed gentry, the man they would all have been conditioned to want.

And R23, isn't one of them George "Superman" Reeves?

by Anonymousreply 2404/14/2019

^^ Yes, Superman.

by Anonymousreply 2504/14/2019

Olivia is so beautiful and perfect in her role.

by Anonymousreply 2604/14/2019

R11 That's a movie syndrome. Lots of excellent movies set up well in the first half but just trail away in the second.

Speilberg hated it and insisted that his movies have a strong 'story arc'

by Anonymousreply 2704/14/2019

It wouldn't be GWTW without Prissy.

by Anonymousreply 2804/14/2019

And the famous ending.

by Anonymousreply 2904/14/2019

Ha, when Scarlett accepts the "bidding," Rhett knows she's a GOER!

by Anonymousreply 3004/14/2019

How come the camera is moving so fast as they're dancing? They're not really dancing that fast.

by Anonymousreply 3104/14/2019

Trivia: at only one point in the entire movie do all four leads appear on the screen at the same time. Occurs when Rhett brings a wounded Ashley the bedroom after the raid on Shantytown.

by Anonymousreply 3204/14/2019

Look at that gown!

by Anonymousreply 3304/14/2019

R27, I think part of it is the reality of the Civil War. The first part is a giddy buildup. The second half is sadness.

by Anonymousreply 3404/14/2019

Pretty green hat. But the front and back look the same - why would Rhett think it was backwards?

by Anonymousreply 3504/14/2019

That's handsome George Reeves to the right.

by Anonymousreply 3604/14/2019

Leslie Howard was a HUGE star in the early 30s. By the time 1939 came around, his style of acting was somewhat dated. It's funny how he has this genteel, noble image, but he was a real pussyhound in real life. Died fairly young, I believe, unlike his screen wife.

by Anonymousreply 3704/14/2019

Rhett lays down the law.

by Anonymousreply 3804/14/2019

Saw it at a movie theater last year! Amazing!

by Anonymousreply 3904/14/2019

Rhett was correct about the hat orientation, in my opinion.

The war horrors bring a lump to my throat. Regardless of how you feel about the Confederacy, it was a terrible bloody war in our own country, and the human toll was heartbreaking. It's well depicted here, I feel.

by Anonymousreply 4004/14/2019

[quote]FLAIRED nostril, jfc autocorrect!

You have quite a flair for malapropism, r7. FLARED nostril is what you’re trying to say.

by Anonymousreply 4104/14/2019

Barbara O'Neil, who played Scarlett's mother, was only five years older than Vivien Leigh.

Billie Burke did a screen test for the role of Aunt Pitty-Pat, she fainted under the hot lights while wearing her hoop skirt & extra padding to look plumper & lost the part.

by Anonymousreply 4204/14/2019

R41 Ok, I have to laugh at myself. 'Deed I do have a flair for the flare!

by Anonymousreply 4304/14/2019

R42, when did this happen in relation to "Wizard of Oz"?

by Anonymousreply 4404/14/2019

This is one of those movies that affirms for me that sex is best implied rather than explicitly depicted.

by Anonymousreply 4504/14/2019

That's bullshit, r42!

by Anonymousreply 4604/14/2019

Both Olivia de Havilland and Hattie McDaniel were nominated for Best Supporting Actress Oscar. It was probably Mammy's realistic and touching scene on the staircase that brought Hattie the Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 4704/14/2019

Whoops, correction: O'Neil was only three years older than Leigh.

by Anonymousreply 4804/14/2019

The famous dance scene, the 2 leads dressed in black.

by Anonymousreply 4904/14/2019

Maybe it's because of how divided our country is now, but this movie makes me terribly sad.

by Anonymousreply 5004/14/2019

Wizard of Oz wrapped by the end of December, 1938, shortly after GWTW started shooting. Billie Burke could have probably done both. The only screentests I’ve ever seen are for Scarlett, Melanie, Mammy, and Ashley. I wonder if any exist for other characters? Didn’t Tallulah test for Belle Watling?

by Anonymousreply 5104/14/2019

I love that Aunt Pitty is about to just abandon Melly upstairs. Like, Pitty's all packed and Melly's bedridden upstairs

by Anonymousreply 5204/14/2019

R52- That's right- Pitty didn't care about Melanie at all. That was a strange piece of writing.

by Anonymousreply 5304/14/2019

It must have been terrible wearing all that clothing in the heat with no air conditioning.

by Anonymousreply 5404/14/2019

The poignancy of Scarlett delivering Melanie's baby....

by Anonymousreply 5504/14/2019

Pittypat was basically a child, helpless to do anything for herself. She wouldn't have been any help to Melanie. Can you imagine her being with Scarlett, Melanie (baby), Prissy, and Rhett as they fled Atlanta while it was burning? Oh hell, no.

by Anonymousreply 5604/14/2019

If Scarlett was so sheltered, how would she know she needed boiling water and twine?

by Anonymousreply 5704/14/2019

I think she just wanted to make some tea and tie Melly to the bed.

by Anonymousreply 5804/14/2019

Rhett has full appreciation of Scarlett. Her sexuality, strength, capability.

by Anonymousreply 5904/14/2019

I love that kiss. It's as if she's so overwhelmed by how good that kiss is, that it enrages her, making her feel... Unladylike. Again unlike her mother. So complex and good.

by Anonymousreply 6004/14/2019

R37: you are correct Leslie Howard died 4 years after GWTW. He was on a plane flying from Lisbon to London and the Germans shot it down, thinking (incorrectly) that Winston Churchill was on the plane. (In fact a plump, short man was on the plane - as a decoy to fool Nazi agents in Lisbon).

by Anonymousreply 6104/14/2019

R16, Leslie Howard was a big star, having scored two previous Best Actor Oscar nominations, for "Berkeley Square" (1933) and "Pygmalion" (1938). Producer David O. Selznick personally asked for him for the part of Ashley, but Howard was tired of playing weak-willed characters and didn't think that he, in his mid-40s, could pull off playing a man in his 20s. So Selznick offered Howard a producer credit on his next film "Intermezzo" and he acquiesced.

Howard was actually embarrassed about having to be primped and made up to look young and pretty when he knew it was a futile effort.

by Anonymousreply 6204/14/2019

Really, R61? Holy shit, I had no idea. Poor Leslie.

by Anonymousreply 6304/14/2019

Scarlett steps up. She's an executive.

by Anonymousreply 6404/14/2019

As God as my witness, I'll never be hungry again....brilliant

by Anonymousreply 6504/14/2019

"God as my witness...." BAAAWWWWWWW! (Seriously, weeping here.)

by Anonymousreply 6604/14/2019

Love the old Stephen Foster tunes.

by Anonymousreply 6704/14/2019

I dream of Jeannie, she's a light, brown hare...

by Anonymousreply 6804/14/2019

Ona Munson who played Belle Watling died by suicide. She was an open lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 6904/14/2019

The actress who played Prissy, died from burns trying to light a stove heater.

by Anonymousreply 7004/14/2019

BAM, right in the fucking face!

by Anonymousreply 7104/14/2019

Melly was tough, too.

by Anonymousreply 7204/14/2019

Leslie kept forgetting his lines when they filmed this and a vivien finally had enough and cussed him out. He was not a team player at all and filming with him was a chore.

by Anonymousreply 7304/14/2019

Mickey Kuhn, as a child actor who played Beau Wilkes, is still living.

by Anonymousreply 7404/14/2019

R73 WOW, imagine!

by Anonymousreply 7504/14/2019

I'm nervous. She's s looking at me.

by Anonymousreply 7604/14/2019

I wonder if the rape/sex scene was considered scandalous at the time this film was created, especially with her happiness the next morning as she lay there thinking about the night before.

by Anonymousreply 7704/14/2019

Fathom Events had this in theaters last month and that morning-after giggle had the audience laughing as if they were shocked and wondering if how they were taking it--that she enjoyed sex the night before--was how they were supposed to take it. It was an odd laughter but I thought it hysterical how an audience full of people laughed uneasily over something like that. I mean... We see cock these days.

by Anonymousreply 7804/14/2019

Love how Sam saves Scarlett. Beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 7904/14/2019

They're using a very dark print tonight. There was a 4K restoration done that shows more detail and lightens some shadows. I wonder if they're showing the copy they used on 1994 when they first aired it.

by Anonymousreply 8004/14/2019

Mrs. Meade wants to know what a bordello looks like. ❤️

by Anonymousreply 8104/14/2019

Ok, I'm OP, and I'm exhausted. This really is two movies. Or two viewings.

by Anonymousreply 8204/14/2019

We love you, OP! Thank you for starting this thread!

by Anonymousreply 8304/14/2019


by Anonymousreply 8404/14/2019

Another discrepancy is that at the point that old crazy Gerald O'Hara dies after falling from the horse it's right after the Civil War has ended and the O'Haras haven't a pot to piss in. Scarlet' main concern is 'how are they going to pay the taxes on Tara ?'

So former overseer Wilkerson shows up with his new bride Emmy Slattery and offers to buy Tara. Scarlet tells them off and throws dirt in his face. The Wilkersons leave and Gerald O'Hara goes after them on his horse who throws him when he makes a jump. They have no money, the father dies and in the next scene it shows the father's gravestone with all of the inscription engraved. So, where did the money come from to buy the gravestone & engrave it ?

by Anonymousreply 8504/14/2019

[quote]Ona Munson who played Belle Watling died by suicide. She was an open lesbian.

Really? I knew about the suicide, but not that she was a lesbian!

by Anonymousreply 8604/14/2019

If she was a lesbian she was also married to a man ........

by Anonymousreply 8704/14/2019

[quote]So, where did the money come from to buy the gravestone & engrave it ?

Scarlett got a low-interest loan from the Small Business Administration.

by Anonymousreply 8804/14/2019

The movie really needed another couple of visits from Aunt Pittypat in the second half.

by Anonymousreply 8904/14/2019

Boy oh boy did Hattie McDaniel deserve that Oscar. Sob.

by Anonymousreply 9004/14/2019

Sorry I hate that racist propaganda film. Why doesn’t someone make a holocaust movie from the perspective of spoiled German girl who’s inconvenienced by WW II?

by Anonymousreply 9104/14/2019

Oh, Sam! Fiddle dee dee.

by Anonymousreply 9204/14/2019


It's not racist propaganda. Racist propaganda would also promote the slavery aspect which it does not. Most of the real slaves in the south at that time were only several generations out of the bush.

by Anonymousreply 9304/14/2019

One aspect that is played up in the book but not the movie is how Scarlett is an outsider (half Irish). Rhett is also whinier and less noble in book and you see more of how Scarlett and Rhett are two sides of the same coin. In the movie that's implied but not truly shown. I've always thought Rhett comes across as a little too saintly and not genuinely dangerous enough in the movie. Anyone else agree?

I think Leigh was perfect and Gable was near perfect. There's something a little hammy and artificial about his performance, I think. They had such chemistry on screen that it doesn't matter.

The arc with Melanie and Scarlett is so poignant and underappreciated.

by Anonymousreply 9404/14/2019

I have to defend Leslie Howard as Ashley, although I understand exactly where people fault his casting.

But think.

He's a Southern gentleman and a cultured person with a high sense of morals and (in the book) ambivalence about slavery. Like Rhett, he understands the South has signed its own death warrant. Unlike Rhett, he cares. he is prematurely aged by what goes on. As the war is lost and he is reduced to farm labor, he feels himself to be worthless. His true moment of glory is to suggest - obliquely and with respect - to Scarlett that her true heart and anything she can salvage of her own corrupt nature is bound to Tara. At the end he is demolished when his wife dies and Scarlett is unable to comfort him.

And remember: Scarlett is in love not with him but with what he represents. His haggard face and mournful performance go unnoticed by her in any meaningful sense. In some ways this is a rare and early and shocking portrayal of sexual objectification seen from a woman's point of view.

The same is true of Twelve Oaks. Tara is believable as a plantation mansion. Twelve Oaks is a fantasy - Scarlett's fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 9504/14/2019

Clark Gable was nominated for an Oscar in GWTW but didn't win, one of the few losers for the famous movie.

by Anonymousreply 9604/14/2019

[quote]r19 How quickly did they pull together Scarlett's wedding to Charles?

Very. It's her mother Ellen's dress, from an earlier era, and deliberately made too long for Leigh.

by Anonymousreply 9704/14/2019

Suellen went on to marry Charles Vidor, John Huston, Artie Shaw, and a few others.

She was poised to marry Mike Todd when Liz Taylor suddenly swooped in. tallons outstretched .

by Anonymousreply 9804/14/2019

The worldly Evelyn Keyes (Suellen O'Hara)

by Anonymousreply 9904/14/2019

My favorite line delivery is by Hattie McDaniel:

"I told him you was prostrate with grief."

by Anonymousreply 10004/14/2019

R96, I think the only reason he lost is because he just won for "It Happened One Night".

by Anonymousreply 10104/15/2019

R101 Luise Rainer, Walter Brennan and Bette Davis won multiple Oscar in this period so it doesn’t have anything to do with him just winning 5 years prior. In fact, Gable didn’t even place second. Back in those days, the vote tallies were released and James Stewart placed second to winner Robert Donat. Gable wasn’t the best actor, he normally just played his usual charm and bluster. I think his standout scene in GWTW was when he was drunk after Bonnie is killed. But the whole performance didn’t have enough range and was mostly what you would expect from Gable compared to plum parts like Donat and Stewart had.

by Anonymousreply 10204/15/2019
by Anonymousreply 10304/15/2019

(R91 “Out of the bush”u silly racist twit. U should find a bush and hide in it forever. GWTW promotes the idea “slavery light” never the real experience of rape, torture and dehumanization that was real for slaves.

by Anonymousreply 10404/15/2019

R104 the film was not about slavery or the slaves. That was incident to the story. Further, most of the shaves portrayed were House slaves, who generally had it better than field slaves. Field salves weren’t given honorafic titles of aunt and uncle like Uncle Peter.

by Anonymousreply 10504/15/2019

(R104) You’re correct. It wasn’t about the slaves who were completely incidental to the story. It WAS about the civil war, a war fought to justify the kidnapping, enslavement and murder of millions of people to serve privileged white people in their delusion that they were better other races.

GWTW is part of the reason why America has never made peace with its racists past. It is a racist bit of propaganda designed to distract from the horror of slavery! Ignoring and back burning horror doesn’t stop it from being horrible. Speak truth to power!

by Anonymousreply 10604/15/2019

[QUOTE]She was poised to marry Mike Todd when Liz Taylor suddenly swooped in. tallons outstretched .

Every account I've read is that TODD became infatuated with TAYLOR and went after her.

by Anonymousreply 10704/16/2019

R106, you sound like a real fun person.

by Anonymousreply 10804/16/2019

I am a fun guy. But It never helps to hide from the truth. And I love all people.

by Anonymousreply 10904/16/2019

What about this outfit, couldn’t you just die for those back crosses?

by Anonymousreply 11004/16/2019

How about this outfit? Couldn’t you just Die from that crisscrossed back

by Anonymousreply 11104/16/2019
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