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Game Of Thrones - S08E01 - Title TBA - 04/14/2019

The Great War has come, the Wall has fallen and the Night King's army of the dead marches towards Westeros. The end is here, but who will take the Iron Throne?

The episode titles are yet to be announced.

by Anonymousreply 46305/03/2019

Here's the Season 8 trailer. Cannot wait for tonight!!

by Anonymousreply 104/14/2019

That gif is so soothing and beautiful, but it makes me anxious at the same time. Like a beautiful corpse lying on a metal table, waiting for an autopsy.

by Anonymousreply 204/14/2019

I saw this earlier today. Sophie's channeling a bit of her Dark Phoenix character. She's gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 304/14/2019

Sophie will be the only one with anything close to a significant career after GoT is over.

by Anonymousreply 404/14/2019

Tyrion would like to have a word with you, r4

by Anonymousreply 504/14/2019

HBO2 is showing reruns of season 7 this afternoon for those who want to refresh their memories on what's to follow tonight

by Anonymousreply 704/14/2019

r4 oh please, she's easily the worst actress of the lot.

by Anonymousreply 804/14/2019

The main characters will have earned so much money they won't need to work again.

by Anonymousreply 904/14/2019

[quote]Sophie will be the only one with anything close to a significant career after GoT is over.

The adults will be fine. Most of them already had established careers. The kids... not so much, sorry to say.

by Anonymousreply 1004/14/2019

Isn't Sophie Turner in some superhero blockbuster?

by Anonymousreply 1104/14/2019

Agree r8. Maisie Williams can act circles around Sophie Turner.

Of course Maisie doesn't have conventionally pretty looks.

by Anonymousreply 1204/14/2019

Maisie has set up a business developing an app and goes into the office every day. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't act much in the future.

by Anonymousreply 1304/14/2019

Emilia Clarke and Sophie Turner are both godawful actresses but because they are very pretty, their futures will probably be in big CGI spectacles where little acting talent is required.

by Anonymousreply 1404/14/2019

Dinkladge and Harrington's next project is the story of two closeted circus midgets in love. Working title TINYBACK MOUNTAIN

by Anonymousreply 1504/14/2019

What's the deal with the titles?

by Anonymousreply 1604/14/2019

HBO has not released any episode titles for this season yet r16. Guess it goes along with them trying to be uber secretive about information leaking out.

by Anonymousreply 1704/14/2019

Thanks r17. Intriguing

by Anonymousreply 1804/14/2019

For those who don't know yet, it starts at 9 PM eastern, a little less than 3.5 hours from now. I am starting to make my giant bag of popcorn for later. I want to watch it alone to avoid distractions. Is that too anti-social?

by Anonymousreply 1904/14/2019

R19 As if you have any choice, you lonely twat.

by Anonymousreply 2004/14/2019

I want only three things from this season: Brienne's kickass father finally making an appearance (my favourite ASOIAF character!), Melisandre being shown doing something in Volantis or beyond, and Missandei ending up on the Iron Throne. I'm not asking for much, am I?

Feels like yesterday that I was reading about the casting news before the first season started production. Crazy how time flies.

by Anonymousreply 2104/14/2019

Hasn't it already been confirmed Brienne and Jaime have a sex scene?

by Anonymousreply 2204/14/2019

I am gonna squee when it starts.

by Anonymousreply 2304/14/2019

They have been showing all the seasons all this past week and I have been DVRing them all and slowly watching them. It is all very gory which I normally have a problem with. I finished the end of season 3 where there is the massacre of the Starks at the wedding. I feel like I suffering from a Game of Thrones form of PTSD. Very disturbing. I wasn't sure if I even wanted to watch any more after that but I watch a couple more in the series today.

by Anonymousreply 2404/14/2019

Sophie set up her own production company, as did Maisie. Sophie is remaking a biopic about a girl who survived falling out of an airplane over the Amazon. Sophie also has an X-men movie coming out this summer.

by Anonymousreply 2504/14/2019

Nikolaj Coster-Walau was on Jimmy Kimmel this past week. He was in a Broadway play recently, I think.

Peter Dinklage was in Avengers: Infinity War. He played a giant.

by Anonymousreply 2604/14/2019


by Anonymousreply 2704/14/2019

r2 Yeah, that gif has an ASMR-like quality to it. Very calming and a bit like looking at a fish tank.

by Anonymousreply 2804/14/2019

Can't believe this show is almost over! Only 5 episodes left.

Wasn't expecting Jon to ride a dragon so soon! And the long awaited Jon and Arya reunion felt good.

Writers pulling some nice tension with the scene with Sam and Dany, does well to reinforce why characters don't trust her.

And episode ends with Jon finally knowing that he is fucking his aunt. Appropriate.

by Anonymousreply 2904/14/2019

Was Jamie Lannister unaware that Bran survived his fall?

by Anonymousreply 3004/14/2019

The photo of Sophie Turner at r3 is ridiculous and reminds me of this:

by Anonymousreply 3104/14/2019

He definitely knew he survived and was disabled. Though later on it was thought that Bran and Rickon were killed by the Iron Islanders.

You never know how news travels but I am guessing he heard Bran was still alive, but it is still super awkward that this is the first person you see.

Not that Bran will really care, too "evolved" for that. But Jaime doesn't know that

by Anonymousreply 3204/14/2019

Bronn and Cerseis actors refusing to do a scene together was really obvious and awkward here.

by Anonymousreply 3304/14/2019

Christ, look at these trending topics on Twitter. That shit is crazy!

by Anonymousreply 3404/14/2019

Not surprising r34. There is nothing bigger than Game Of Thrones.

by Anonymousreply 3504/14/2019

So the leaks were pretty much on the money for this episode.

by Anonymousreply 3604/14/2019

This episode was screened for people r36.

by Anonymousreply 3704/14/2019

I realize that r37.

by Anonymousreply 3804/14/2019

Wasn't each of the six episodes supposed to be 90 minutes long, to make up for the half-length season? This one wasn't even a full hour long.

by Anonymousreply 3904/14/2019

No one ever said actually said that r39, the internet just kept repeating it like the internet does.

The run times of the episodes were released. The final three are longer episodes, the first three are a normal length.

by Anonymousreply 4004/14/2019

I was a bit confused by the credits. The new castle close to the wall was Last Hearth, where the newly killed child Ned Umber was lord, but I couldn't figure out why the camera went into and underneath the castle at Winterfell and into the city of King's Landing and the Red Keep. The only thing I could figure out what that since they have so many reduced locations now (only events at these three places were shown) that they needed to extend the credit sequence long enough to show all the names of the stars and key production people.

by Anonymousreply 4104/14/2019

Won’t they probably have to abandon Winterfell? They made it clear they barely have enough provisions for the armies and the dragons are unhappy.

by Anonymousreply 4204/14/2019

I'm going spoiler free for this season. Thought this was a good episode. It moved things along. Glad that Dani bring a total power hungry shrew is finally being acknowledged more. I don't think she would ever give up power to Jon, even if he is the rightful heir. I think she will be pregnant with his baby though. The fact that he could ride the dragon should given them a hint something was up.

by Anonymousreply 4304/14/2019


by Anonymousreply 4404/14/2019

[quote] Won’t they probably have to abandon Winterfell? They made it clear they barely have enough provisions for the armies and the dragons are unhappy.

The dragons will feel better after they snack deliciously on Lady Lyanna Mormont.

by Anonymousreply 4504/14/2019

I hate Dani. And that actress is so horrible. I'd like to see Sansa and Arya kill Jon and Dani and rule.

by Anonymousreply 4604/14/2019

Season 8 Episode Runtimes

Episode One 54 Minutes

Episode Two 58 Minutes

Episode Three 82 Minutes

Episode Four 78 Minutes

Episode Five 79 Minutes

Episode Six 79 Minutes

by Anonymousreply 4704/14/2019

Agreed with the first part. Never liked her and EC is a terrible actress. I love Jon though. I am warming to the idea of Sansa ruling, she has played the smartest game and has sacrificed the most. Arya derserves it more as well. Dani didn't really do anything, it was all her Dragons and Jorah helping her along.

by Anonymousreply 4804/14/2019

The Dani and Jon go dragon riding scene makes me think we'll be seeing a lot of filler this season.

by Anonymousreply 4904/14/2019

I don't know if I agree, r49. If they hadn't shown that scene, the episode would have been all talk except for the killing of Yara's guards and the reveal of what happened at Last Hearth. I think people would have been disappointed after having waited for so long for this season.

by Anonymousreply 5004/14/2019

Emilia Clarke has gone too far with the fillers.

by Anonymousreply 5104/14/2019

[quote]The Dani and Jon go dragon riding scene

Unbelievable sights.

by Anonymousreply 5204/14/2019

Well, Lena Headey has gone too far with the lip plumping. She's got fish mouth now.

And I agree with R50 - that Jon and Dany ride dragons bit is probably most of the filler we'll be getting with those two for the remaining episodes. Shit is about to get real.

by Anonymousreply 5304/14/2019

This had more plot development than most of the season premieres. And since the BIG BATTLE is episode 3, they had to do the character stuff now

by Anonymousreply 5404/14/2019

I know some folks watch in groups so I would hate to have watched the Bron and prostitute scene with family. No matter what age you are, you would be uncomfortable watching with your parents or siblings, etc.

by Anonymousreply 5504/14/2019

R55 if someone hasn't figured it out by now...

by Anonymousreply 5604/14/2019

I love Bronn. He's great comic relief.

by Anonymousreply 5704/14/2019

[quote]I love Bronn. He's great comic relief.

I thought it was just a rumor that Jerome Flynn and Lena Headey can't be in a scene together. I could wave away Bronn not being part of the parlay last season, but it was so annoying that Qyburn was the one to ask him to go after Tyrion and Jaime. The show made it work - Qyburn speaking on what Cersei has given him is a good sell, but it would have been more effective to see Cersei work her insidious magic on him.

by Anonymousreply 5804/14/2019

Why would a queen waste her time with someone like Bronn. Qyburn did fine.

by Anonymousreply 5904/14/2019

Tweens and older watch this show, right? Like not with their parents or course.

Such limited merchandising, because they don't make kids' thinks. Oreos, John Varvatos, Johnnie Walker...

by Anonymousreply 6004/14/2019


by Anonymousreply 6104/14/2019

Palm oil 😡

by Anonymousreply 6204/14/2019

It's TV-MA, so would marketing to kids even be "legal"?

They do have the funko pops and shit like that.

by Anonymousreply 6304/14/2019

Kids totally watch it. Kind of fucked up that they do.

by Anonymousreply 6404/14/2019
by Anonymousreply 6504/14/2019

The gay kid at R65 is super annoying. The Ricky Ricardo looking one.

by Anonymousreply 6604/14/2019

Kids have always watched grownup shows.

by Anonymousreply 6704/14/2019

In the UK is it on HBO?

by Anonymousreply 6804/14/2019

There is no HBO in the UK, R68.

by Anonymousreply 6904/14/2019

Are GOP people watching it yet?

by Anonymousreply 7004/14/2019
by Anonymousreply 7104/14/2019

Considering he is King of the World Jon was wimpy with the dragon.

by Anonymousreply 7204/15/2019

Is Bran the kid that Jamie pushes off the roof on the first episode?

by Anonymousreply 7304/15/2019

Yes, R73. He's all grown up and psychic now.

Okay episode, nothing earthshaking or enchanting, it was just setting the scene for the serious shit to come. Because the Dead are coming to Winterfell, which is under-manned and under-provisioned, and where all the living are fighting with each other or working at cross-purposes.

by Anonymousreply 7404/15/2019

This episode was meh.

by Anonymousreply 7504/15/2019

Thanks r74

by Anonymousreply 7604/15/2019

In the UK it's shown on Sky Atlantic on Sky or NowTV.

by Anonymousreply 7704/15/2019

What did Bran say to Jon after he hugged him ? Bran looks 30.

by Anonymousreply 7804/15/2019

Bran looks a [italic]hard[/italic] 30. Especially with that haircut...

by Anonymousreply 7904/15/2019

I like the actor that plays Bran. His part must have been the most frustrating through all these years.

by Anonymousreply 8004/15/2019

Jon calls him Bran a man now r78, and Bran is like kinda. Just a reference to Bran's Three Eyed Raveness nature and him not being normal.

by Anonymousreply 8104/15/2019

Does Bran shit in his chair?

by Anonymousreply 8204/15/2019

Sansa is such a cunty Lady Of Winterfell and I am so here for it! I loved the attitude she gave Daenerys. It’s 5000x the stink eye Catlyn gave.

Here’s to Queen Sansa sitting on the Iron Throne with Gendry and the Hound on leashes to do her bidding!

by Anonymousreply 8304/15/2019

R81 More a reference to him not walking.

by Anonymousreply 8404/15/2019

“I really wanted those elephants” = HBO couldn’t afford elephants AND my wage.

by Anonymousreply 8504/15/2019

So does that mean John is also fire-proof like Deny?

by Anonymousreply 8604/15/2019

I wonder if Jon will drop dead the moment the Red Woman is killed the way wights die when their walker is destroyed...

by Anonymousreply 8704/15/2019

The Golden Company guy has a bit of a BDF going on, doesn't he? Especially when clean-shaven.

I thought Melisandre might thwart Cersei's plans of getting the Golden Company, but I guess her hypno-snatch can only do so much. I wonder what she's cooking up across the Narrow Sea.

by Anonymousreply 8804/15/2019

r87 Beric didn't drop dead when Thoros died.

by Anonymousreply 8904/15/2019

That's like too human a reaction for what Bran is now r8

[Quote]How did you view Bran's outlook on reuniting with Jon Snow? He tells Jon he's less of a man than he looks, since he's the Three-Eyed Raven now. Does Bran feel joy, reuniting with his family member?

[Quote]There's a sense of … I wouldn't necessarily say "joy," but there's still a part of Bran in the Three-Eyed Raven. He remembers what it was like to be Bran. Usually, his mind is occupied with so many other things. But when he's there in Winterfell, surrounded by so much of his family and so many people he hasn't seen in such a long time, it certainly flares up the parts of his brain that are Bran. I think there's a flicker of him thinking, "Good to see you again. It's been interesting to see your journey." But I think it's all in the context of how interesting it's been to see how someone's life has panned out, the journey you've been on, the things you've seen, why you're here today and where you must go from here. It's not like Bran's going to sit down and shoot the shit for an hour with Jon. It's more like: "Nice to see you again. You've had an interesting journey — and you have an interesting journey still to come."

by Anonymousreply 9004/15/2019


by Anonymousreply 9104/15/2019

r83 I'm with you! Here's to Sansa, the BOSS bitch!

by Anonymousreply 9204/15/2019

Sansa is a fucking G!

by Anonymousreply 9304/15/2019

The problem with Sansa pointing out how are they gonna feed Dany's it belies the fact the writers never brought that up last season when they were parked in the small rocky island of Dragonstone.

by Anonymousreply 9404/15/2019

Sophie turned it OUT at the Belfast screening.

by Anonymousreply 9504/15/2019

That makeup makes her look a bit like Emily Blunt, doesn't it?

by Anonymousreply 9604/15/2019

Melisandre and Bran will have a powerful connection

by Anonymousreply 9704/15/2019

I wish they'd do a nice crossover and have Sansa turn into Dark Phoenix and roast Dany and her dragons into oblivion.

Arguably, EC's worst acting during this episode was her little saddle dance when the Winterfell villagers saw the dragons for the first time. The stage direction probably called for her to sit up a bit more regally on her horse since she's supposed to be the Mother of Dragons, but she came across as being slightly bothered by a developing hemorrhoid.

Another uncomfortable moment was the dramatic scene between Jon Snow and Sansa when they were discussing Jon's bending of the knee to Dany. It was painfully obvious just how short Kit is compared to Sophie. He was looking up at her and she was looking down at him the entire time. He looked like a lollipop guild member rather than the Lord of the Seven Kingdoms. Are there no apple boxes in Westeros? All will be forgiven if he flashes his perfect bubble butt again.

Emilia and Lena need to lay off the lip-curling; they look mildly retarded.

Best acting in this episode goes to Sophie, followed closely by Maisie. Alfie Allen is spectacular as well in his brief appearance.

I'd swallow Gendry's load. Ditto Jaime's.

by Anonymousreply 9804/15/2019

I'm glad they aren't doing the silly trying to stand on boxes to make him taller.

Yes, Jon Snow is short. Its always been the case most characters are taller than him.

Why does that matter? That you need your heroes to be tall says way more about your own hang ups.

by Anonymousreply 9904/15/2019

Why are people suddenly pretending that EC is not a good actress?

Dany is an immature lunatic with dragons and that all comes across perfectly -- all while she also captures the princess doll appearance required for the role.

by Anonymousreply 10004/15/2019

R99 = Rhea Perlman

by Anonymousreply 10104/15/2019

I don't understand this height obsession either. Seems like a juvenile hangup that most people leave behind in their teens.

by Anonymousreply 10204/15/2019

Ucch, is she going to spend the whole season telling everyone in her path to bend the goddamned knee?

by Anonymousreply 10304/15/2019

Because she's not, R100. Her acting is very stilted. All she bellowed for the first 7 seasons is that she is the mother of dragons, she is a liberator and bend the knee. Never liked her character and I think that's partly due to EC portrayal. I hope she dies at some point.

by Anonymousreply 10404/15/2019

I doubt Bran will be too impressed with Melisandre r97 if they talk.

She was pretty blind, thinking Stannis was the prince that was promised and not seeing the truth of Jon that was right in front of her.

by Anonymousreply 10504/15/2019

[quote]Considering he is King of the World Jon was wimpy with the dragon.

King of the world? Honey, please . . .

by Anonymousreply 10604/15/2019

[quote]Why are people suddenly pretending that EC is not a good actress?

Emilia Clarke has been identified as sucking since the first season.

by Anonymousreply 10704/15/2019

R102 = Danny DeVito

by Anonymousreply 10804/15/2019

Bran: the Night King has a dragon under his spell, has broken through the wall and could invade Winterfell at any moment.

Everyone: Let's keep carrying on as normal. Dany and Jon even go joyriding on the dragons with not a mention of what happened to their brother.

by Anonymousreply 10904/15/2019

Speaking of the joy riding scene, is there any significance to Dany saying, "We could stay here for 1000 years and no one would ever find us."

And Jon replies, "It would be cold." Or something like that.

It just seemed so odd for her to say that. It reminded me of the scene between Jon and Ygritte, but Jon was willing to stay lost and in the snow with Ygritte.

Maybe he's just being more level-headed than Dany given his experience, but the scene seemed to foreshadow something. Or maybe it'll tie in to Dany's prophecy of the three betrayals.

by Anonymousreply 11004/15/2019

Jon replied they would be old r110, just a joke about her saying 1000 years.

And it was just meant to humanize Dany, show how the stress she is under does get to her sometimes, and she can have fantasies of a normal life.

by Anonymousreply 11104/15/2019

I thought for a second that they were going to ride up north to survey how far the Night King had come on his way to Winterfell. At least that would have made some sense.

by Anonymousreply 11204/15/2019

Dany and Jon Snow have the worst chemistry. Their pairing makes me cringe.

by Anonymousreply 11304/15/2019

What is the reasoning behind not only doing a half-season but making the premiere episode the shortest of all six? HBO has the biggest hit they’ve ever had, why couldn’t they convince the creators and cast to do at least a full final season? Isn’t there thousands of pages of backstory and other plot lines they never even touched on? I’m not being facetious. I truly don’t understand this reasoning. Certainly no one feels this show has run its course already. Bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 11404/15/2019

r105 I'm giving you spoilers you fucking moron. Bran and Melisandre together are going to be a huge deal this season.

by Anonymousreply 11504/15/2019

Are Jorah and Lady Lyanna the last of the Mormonts? How long has Jorah been banished from Bear Island? I wonder if they have ever met before.

by Anonymousreply 11604/15/2019

Why on earth would you post spoilers in this thread r115?

And then to get indignant about the posting of such spoilers. Oh dear, there is certainly a fucking moron present.

by Anonymousreply 11704/15/2019

Agree with r117.

by Anonymousreply 11804/15/2019

They know nothing, r117. The writers made sure of it. Still, it’s wise to tread carefully through these threads. There is always one in the bunch who must spoil it for the rest of us. Literally.

by Anonymousreply 11904/15/2019

I agree with the posters who think the chemistry between Daeny and Jon is rather dull and forced. Watched a compilation of the scenes between Jon and Ygritte and in hind sight it is obvious that the two actors were falling for each other for real. Beautifully rendered romance with real heat. She was quite the ballbuster but he could handle it. The scene of the two of them standing on top of the wall and embracing reminded me of the scene in The Quiet Man when he kisses Mary Kate. Brought a tear to my eye.

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by Anonymousreply 12104/15/2019


Not liking the character is a tribute to her acting actually. Dany as a character is WAY overpowered and given the sort of setbacks and obstacles that reflect on some really annoying ideals and hang-ups GRRM and fantasy have when it comes to wish fulfillment females. Bringing something petulant and awful and trapped and unlikable to the character adds both drama and depth to the story. She doesn't ham it up that she is clearly a send up of the fairy princess trope. That alone is pretty impressive.

by Anonymousreply 12204/15/2019

Kit and Emilia were fucking in real life. Emilia's BFF is Kit's wife. I think that is why they are so restrained. Though the chemistry should be better no matter what the excuse

by Anonymousreply 12304/15/2019

Jorah would have been exiled when Lyanna was like 2-3. So he probably remembers her but she wouldn't remember him.

by Anonymousreply 12404/15/2019

One extended and pointless scene of three sets of titties and asses (one from behind with a glimpse of snatch), and all the gays get is a barely-there butt shot of Euron Greyjoy.

I hate this show sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 12504/15/2019

I know, r121. I was a tad embarrassed. Still, their scenes are really wonderful to watch.

by Anonymousreply 12604/15/2019

I was actually surprised that we didnt get a full butt shot from Euron r125, it's pretty unusual for this show

by Anonymousreply 12704/15/2019

It's Gendry's turn to show ass. I bet he has a nice, plump one.

by Anonymousreply 12804/15/2019

Kit’s ass is pretty impressive.

by Anonymousreply 12904/15/2019

Jon and Dany were too rushed, very forced relationship with little chemistry. Euron was better looking than I remembered. Does anybody else think Arya and Gendry pairing might be brewing?

R122, two different things. Her line delivery is cringe worthy. Not a good actress.

I'm actually afraid to be on these threads because I know some dumbass will spoil for shits and giggles.

by Anonymousreply 13004/15/2019

Kit does have a very nice ass. I'd love to see it again. But I'd also like some new meat.

by Anonymousreply 13104/15/2019

I wanted to see Euron shove a digit up Cersei's bum. This show has become so tame indeed.Arya and Gendry will be a couple. I think that they will be Lord and Lady Baratheon at the end of the show.

by Anonymousreply 13204/15/2019

[Quote]Does anybody else think Arya and Gendry pairing might be brewing?

I mean of course, their reunion was purposely made to be very flirty.

by Anonymousreply 13304/15/2019

If we had another season I could see Arya and Gendry getting together. But since there's so little time left, we might get a kiss or two between them. Which is fine, she still seems like a little kid to me.

Gendry should hook up with Podrick for a little tension release before battle.

by Anonymousreply 13404/15/2019

Agreed r114. Why they wanted to fuck with the last two seasons of this show is beyond me.a

by Anonymousreply 13504/15/2019

[quote] Dany and Jon even go joyriding on the dragons

Other commentators have pointed out that is was most likely preparation for the war dogfighting scenes on dragons to come, to preempt viewers from wondering, "When did Jon Snow learn to ride a dragon."

by Anonymousreply 13604/15/2019

The fact Jon can ride a dragon just like that, is evidence that he is a talgaryen, more valid to Dany than any obscure document and vision from Bran.

by Anonymousreply 13704/15/2019

R88 I was hoping someone would bring him up. I'd polish his sword any day

by Anonymousreply 13804/15/2019

Okay, my own humble opinion...all is forgiven with Sansa because she's been through a helluva lot, survived it all, and is both smart enough to know that Cersei can never be trusted and told my beloved Tyrion that he's stupid for believing his sister.

I was also a bit put off by the dragon joy ride...because, you know, the Knight King has control of one of your dragons, Dany? Hello? All would have been forgiven, though, if Jon had taken that ride naked...bottomless, at least. Cuz I'm easy like that.

by Anonymousreply 13904/15/2019

An incredibly DULL first episode.

by Anonymousreply 14004/15/2019

The way the dragon looked at Jon. It made me laugh out loud. Like it was besotted. I loved the character of Jon Snow more than any other. If Kit never does anything else of note as an actor he has this. There won’t be enough time for Daeny to carry a child and give birth before the WW arrive. Unless they keep retreating. Please let it be Daeny who dies in childbirth but the child, a boy, lives to be raised by his father. The true King. With the help of his sister of course. Sansa Stark. The Hand of the King. A bitterweet ending. No?

by Anonymousreply 14104/15/2019

I'm surprised some didn't like the ep. I am not about action, so maybe that's why I liked it. The story moved forward with Jon finding out his true parentage and there were many reunions. I love that Theon wants to redeem himself. He was always more Stark than Greyjoy, so his betrayal was a huge plot of the show. Where is Ghost though?

by Anonymousreply 14204/15/2019

Ghost is too expensive, that’s why the direwolves are never on. Only 5 eps left, thank god.

by Anonymousreply 14304/15/2019

Oh, and Arya marries Gendry so the houses of the Barathions and the Starks will be joined at long last.

by Anonymousreply 14404/15/2019

They have confirmed in interviews Ghost is finally returning to the show this season r142, but I swear casual viewers will have forgotten that Jon has a direwolf he is supposed to be attached at the hip with!

by Anonymousreply 14504/15/2019

I was thinking if Jon and Dany did have a child, they would rule, but I'm half expecting everyone dead and a white walker taking the whole thing over. Maybe Jon as the new WW king. He did seem to have a weird connection with him and I felt they allowed Jon to live. Imagine?

by Anonymousreply 14604/15/2019

For Dany and Jon to have a child in the next five episodes, one of which we already know consists entirely of a battle, there'd have to be a considerable time jump.

by Anonymousreply 14704/15/2019

Maybe she won’t have a child .

by Anonymousreply 14804/15/2019

I'd imagine there will be a considerable time jump after the Night King is defeated and we see the resolution throughout Westeros. I'd be surprised if there wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 14904/15/2019

So maybe they do have a child because both of them live. She’s pregnant. The living win the war with the help of the Children and the Red Woman. It is HER sacrifice that the God of Light demands. Dany can still die giving birth and her death and the birth of Jon’s son brings the story full circle.

by Anonymousreply 15004/15/2019

R149 who says he'll be defeated?

by Anonymousreply 15104/15/2019

I read the big battle is episode 3. That leaves plenty of time for the survivors to do some breeding.

by Anonymousreply 15204/15/2019

[quote]I'd imagine there will be a considerable time jump after the Night King is defeated and we see the resolution throughout Westeros. I'd be surprised if there wasn't.

I hope so. I don't give a fuck about watching endless CGI monsters doing battle in the snow. I want Cersei drinking wine and Tyrion and Varys talking smack, In fact, let's do a sequel with those three just sitting around drinking wine and talking shit about everyone for an hour a week.

They better do at least 90 minutes wrapping things up after the battle is over or I'll be pissed.

by Anonymousreply 15304/15/2019

Do any of you think that Nymeria and her pack will return to fight the WW and one of her litters will be sired by Ghost and one of their pups is destined to be the little Prince’s Direwolf? The runt of the litter with a snow white coat?

by Anonymousreply 15404/15/2019

R153 You think there will be only one battle? LOL Varys and Tyrion........ and Cersei? That trio alone would bore most of the audience. They are much too camp in the way you want to see them.

by Anonymousreply 15504/15/2019

R151 Go to the spoiler threads.

by Anonymousreply 15604/15/2019

R156 With the exception of the plot of the first episode, the spoiler thread is all pure speculation.

by Anonymousreply 15704/15/2019

Wrong. There are scenes that have leaked. One of the actors on the show gave their fate already.

by Anonymousreply 15804/15/2019

So Cersei want Bron to betray both of her brothers, both close friends, but she send someone else to ask him?

That seems very unrealistic (Even for a show with flying dragons.

by Anonymousreply 15904/15/2019

I also envision there will be a time jump.

by Anonymousreply 16004/15/2019

The scene with Bronn and the prosties was kinda nasty. We have seen this before but the sets were always lit in a way that left something to the imagination. I’m no prude but kids do watch this show and the only reason I can think of for including it is to foreshadow his death. There will be no more pussy and brown ale for him. He was one character who didn’t really change or grow.

by Anonymousreply 16104/15/2019

Bronn has always been about cash and his own hide.

by Anonymousreply 16204/15/2019

I think even the dragons fear Lyanna Mormont. Since wights are vulnerable to fire, it would seem the the Night King's dragon can easily be taken out by Dan's two remaining dragons.

by Anonymousreply 16304/15/2019

[Quote]I’m no prude

Evidence shows otherwise. I fail to see how that scene is any different than many other scenes with naked whores we have gotten in the show, it didn't even register to me to be worth commenting on.

And I promise, kids are looking at way worse on the internet than a Hollywood sex scene.

by Anonymousreply 16404/15/2019

I want to see full frontal from Tormund. I demand unruly ginger bush!

by Anonymousreply 16504/15/2019

[quote]An incredibly DULL first episode.

Totally. I'm really worried they're going to fuck everything up this season, and thus the entire series.

by Anonymousreply 16604/15/2019

Who is the hysterical frau on this thread harping about one scene with naked hookers on a show that’s had dozens of such scenes?!


by Anonymousreply 16704/15/2019

Didn't the writers or actors say this was the best first episode of any season? It definitely wasn't.

It was cool that most of the major players were together, but it was just an okay episode.

Though the last shot of Bran and Jaime was fantastic.

by Anonymousreply 16804/15/2019

I just hope Jon doesn't wimp out on being the rightful heir. Dany won't give up her claim, so I hope he turns on her. I definitely see buyer's remorse with a lot of her supporters.

by Anonymousreply 16904/15/2019

They probably had to fill the quota of tits for the season. And they've done that. We may see another pair or two, but I'm not expecting gratuitous nudity this year.

by Anonymousreply 17004/15/2019

I wish they hadn't talked Dany out of burning King's Landing to the ground. Getting tired of Cersei's smirk and her wine swilling. Also don't like what they've done with Tyrion. He used to be very smart, but the last couple of seasons he's been outflanked by his sister at every turn, a person her own father told was not all that smart.

by Anonymousreply 17104/15/2019

Are Jaime and Tyrion on good terms now? I know they had a meeting last season in KL, but I can't remember if Jaime was still pissed at him about Tywin or not.

by Anonymousreply 17204/15/2019

I don't mind gratuitous nudity, I just wish it was both-sided. There was no reason whatsoever not to show Euron's ass last night.

by Anonymousreply 17304/15/2019

Anyone who starts a sentence by saying 'I'm no prude' is, without fail, a prude.

by Anonymousreply 17404/15/2019

The season premieres are always about moving things into place

by Anonymousreply 17504/15/2019

The scene in the house of Umber scared the shit out of me. Jon learned his origins and ride a fucking dragon, but this wasn't enough for some of you. I being waiting for this more than 10 years!

by Anonymousreply 17604/15/2019

17.4 million viewers for the premiere, beating the 16.9 million viewers that watched the season 7 finale.

by Anonymousreply 17704/15/2019

Cersei needs to die already. She is no longer interesting to me, just annoying. I always assumed Jamie would do the honors, but who knows. What's with her pregnancy? I thought she was pregnant with Jaime's baby, but Euron's comment about putting a prince in her was interesting.

by Anonymousreply 17804/15/2019

How would Euron know she is already pregnant r178? Now she can say the baby is Euron's.

by Anonymousreply 17904/15/2019

She is pregnant, that's why she seems a little upset after his comment

by Anonymousreply 18004/15/2019

I imagine you in a velvet smoking jacket with a lace hanky stuffed up the sleeve and a tin of snuff cradled in your hand. Are you as dull a person as your writing style would suggest, r164? I’m sure a lusty pair of bouncing boobs is just your thing.

by Anonymousreply 18104/15/2019

This is all David and Dan's doing r114. They were ready to end it, they wanted shortened seasons.

HBO has said over and over they wanted more but they don't make the show, they just pay for it. They have no choice but to respect the creators (and get a prequel in the works)

by Anonymousreply 18204/15/2019

She had a smirk on her face, r180. It was just hard to tell because she’s always smirking. She found his comment mildly amusing because she’s already pregnant with Jaime’s child.

by Anonymousreply 18304/15/2019

Wasn't she drinking wine this episode?

Last season she refused wine because she was pregnant. Perhaps she's already lost it?

by Anonymousreply 18404/15/2019

Exactly why I was confused about that, R184. I think she may have lost it and might try and pass Euron's child off as Jaime's. Why else would she sleep with him?

by Anonymousreply 18504/15/2019

Her decision to sleep with Euron certainly seemed calculated.

by Anonymousreply 18604/15/2019

R182 And I'm glad of their decision. I'd rather have six good episodes this last season than ten episodes with some parts that drag. Or to have another season with a lot of filler.

Better to end it before it gets too bad. I like knowing there's an end to the story.

by Anonymousreply 18704/15/2019

"Are Jaime and Tyrion on good terms now?"

Jamie just found out that Tyrion is innocent of regicide, he's broken up with Cersei, and they're finally fighting to defend the living together. Everything will be great between them when they meet, and let's hope they don't celebrate their reunion by getting hammered with their old pal Bronn!

BTW my guess for the ending scenario is that Jon and Dany die, and Jamie ends up on the throne as Cersei's heir. With Brienne as his queen.

by Anonymousreply 18804/15/2019

My money’s on Sansa.

by Anonymousreply 18904/15/2019

R188, cersei has the throne illegally. Technically, Gendry should be on the throne as he was Robert Baratheon's true heir.

by Anonymousreply 19004/15/2019

R190 Bastards don't inherit

by Anonymousreply 19104/15/2019

I also think Sansa will rule in some form. Either as the Wardeness of the North, Lady of Winterfell or as Queen in the North or Queen of whole Westeroes. They show her being a just and thoughtful ruler juxtaposed to Dani with her narcissistic entitlement and her first (well, maybe not so first) signs of cruelty. Honestly, Mad Queen Dani is so much more appealing to me than her current version.

by Anonymousreply 19204/15/2019


[quote]I just hope Jon doesn't wimp out on being the rightful heir. Dany won't give up her claim, so I hope he turns on her.

Considering how pissed Tyrion was when Jon didn’t lie and truthfully told Cersei that he bent the knee, he sure as fuck better tell Dany the knee is unbent know he knows she has no legitimate claim on the Iron Throne. If he lies and decides to wait until the attack on Winterfell is over before confessing to her, well...

Also, Dany has few real diplomatic skills beyond “I have an army of brainless Eunuchs, uncivilised Mongols and 3-make-that-2 dragons, bitches”. I wonder if she will execute Sansa for insubordination. Or Jaime for killing her father. Neither of those possibilities will go down well with Brienne and Tyrion.

by Anonymousreply 19304/15/2019

I love how Dorne is just going to sit this one out now that the Martell family has been dethroned and a new family has to take the lead.

by Anonymousreply 19404/15/2019

[quote]The problem with Sansa pointing out how are they gonna feed Dany's it belies the fact the writers never brought that up last season when they were parked in the small rocky island of Dragonstone.

Maybe Theon caught a whale per day!

18 goats and 11 sheep and feed 50 men very well for a week. Sansa’s right to be annoyed.

by Anonymousreply 19504/15/2019

Yes the show can go only get so complicated r194. They basically pretend the Reach and Dorne no longer exist just because they killed off the ruling families.

by Anonymousreply 19604/15/2019

Who took over Dorne?

by Anonymousreply 19704/15/2019

I doubt the writers have thought about it r197.

by Anonymousreply 19804/15/2019

Maisie Williams is so unattractive, it’s sad. She’s like a lot of child actors who grow up to be strange looking adults. She should really try to tone it down a little. At least ugly grown up Bran doesn’t have blue hair and wear Dr Who clothes in real life. He’s just his ugly self in regular clothes.

by Anonymousreply 19904/15/2019

R190 I know Sam said Robert’s Rebellion was illegitimate, but if Jon shuts up about his claim to the throne out of love for Dany, Cersei’s cuntiest move before death may be to legitimise Gendry, just to fuck with everyone.

by Anonymousreply 20004/15/2019

Jon would still have a better claim than Gendry. I would just assume that The Reach and Dorne became part of the Crown Lands

by Anonymousreply 20104/15/2019

Unknown, r197. Though I'm sure the houses of Dorne have come to a quiet understanding to maybe keep the status quo until the White Walkers are around and/or until the winter passes.

by Anonymousreply 20204/15/2019

[quote]So Cersei want Bron to betray both of her brothers, both close friends, but she send someone else to ask him? That seems very unrealistic (Even for a show with flying dragons.

Lena Headey and Jerome Flynn won’t film scenes together. Lena hates his ass and has it in her contract she will not shoot with him. They dated and it did not end well.

by Anonymousreply 20304/15/2019

I like young Gendry better. He looks like everybody else now, which is boring,

Is it just me or have I heard different characters pronouncing Gendry with a hard G and others with a soft G?

by Anonymousreply 20404/15/2019

I guess the Blackfish really is dead.

Someone needs to kill Edmure Tully.

by Anonymousreply 20504/15/2019

I really wish they hadn't had Sam pushing Jon's claim to make trouble, because it's so ridiculously easy to resolve the rival claims to the throne by having Jon and Dany marry. Jon and Dany are in love, it's a good political alliance, and The Dead are bearing down on them so they can't afford to fight over this.

Really, I hope they play the wedding for laughs, with Jon protesting and Tormund and Davos physically pushing him to the altar, while Bran solemnly says it must be, and Arya laughing and Sansa smiling for the first time in three seasons, and the dragons reaching a claw into the Godswood to give him a little shove that knocks him over.

by Anonymousreply 20604/15/2019

So glad you don’t write for the show.

by Anonymousreply 20704/15/2019

R206 it’s a little difficult to marry your aunt. They may turn a blind eye to Jamie and Cersei banging, but I’m not sure how the true king of the north marrying his aunt Dany will go down.

by Anonymousreply 20804/15/2019

R191, there has to be some claim since Cersei had all Robert's bastards killed.

Maisie Williams really is unfortunate looking. The scene with Gendry hightlighted how unattractive she is, he is way out of her league.

by Anonymousreply 20904/15/2019

Have Linda and Elio completely lost their shit yet?

No, bastards are dynastically irrelevant R209. Why do you think marriage pacts are so important?

R208, Uncle/niece and nephew/aunt marriage is historically no big deal for royalty. Only immediate family is a no-no.

by Anonymousreply 21004/15/2019

r210 Linda is still recovering from season 1 episode 1, as far as I know.

by Anonymousreply 21104/15/2019

You truly made me giggle out loud R211

by Anonymousreply 21204/15/2019

And in ancient Egypt r210 they expected royal siblings to marry to keep the royal blood pure but on GoT it’s frowned upon. So what happened historically in reality has no bearing on what plays out on a fictional TV show.

by Anonymousreply 21304/15/2019

uh...R213 have you watched the show? Dany's parents were siblings. Many Targaryen Kings married their sisters, or nieces, or cousins.

by Anonymousreply 21404/15/2019

There was/is negative reactions and mocking towards Ceresi and Jaime's relationship.

by Anonymousreply 21504/15/2019

I can't wait for Sophie to do her "I told ya so" routine once they find out that Cersei isn't going to help them.

by Anonymousreply 21604/15/2019

R209 Maisie Williams looks like Nick Frost.

Arya and Bran did not grow into beauties, but Sansa did.

1 out of 3 ain’t bad.

by Anonymousreply 21704/15/2019

Dany’s parents a different generation. Cersei and Jamie have had to hide their relationship. I’ll guess we’ll have to see whether Jon and Dany are ok with being blood relatives. I doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 21804/15/2019

We learned that wasn't Cersei who killed Robert's bastards but Jeoffrey showing his true self.

by Anonymousreply 21904/15/2019

R216 she pretty much already has. Mocking Tyrion for trying to bullshit her. She’s not the naive girl he used to know.

by Anonymousreply 22004/15/2019

[quote]Really, I hope they play the wedding for laughs, with Jon protesting and Tormund and Davos physically pushing him to the altar, while Bran solemnly says it must be, and Arya laughing and Sansa smiling for the first time in three seasons, and the dragons reaching a claw into the Godswood to give him a little shove that knocks him over.




by Anonymousreply 22104/15/2019

Dany's parents were Targaryens. You can't compare Targs to non-Targs. Targs are not seen as normal men, they are seen as quasi-magical, they are blood of the dragon, and they practiced incest to keep that blood of the dragon going.

Cersei and Jaime are very much not Targaryeans, so their incest was not acceptable.

by Anonymousreply 22204/15/2019

I loved how Sam pointed to Jon that he is a merciful leader and Daenerys is not.

by Anonymousreply 22304/15/2019

Like the royals and nobles of old Europe, the royals and nobles of Westeros have no trouble marrying their cousins. Robin Arryn wants to marry Sansa and they're first cousins, and nobody has a problem with that except Sansa, and that's because he's a git and not because they're closely related.

Nobody's going to make a big deal out of Jon and Dany marrying except Jon, who is a prude and an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 22404/15/2019

Some footage has leaked of Sansa and Dany in episode 3.

by Anonymousreply 22504/15/2019

Marrying your cousin is legal even now r224. So what? And even if the two of them would shrug it off, I doubt their people will. But Dany won’t shrug it off, because he’s the true king of the north and she’s too ambitious to be ok with this.

by Anonymousreply 22604/15/2019

Yes cousin is not really incest in this type of world.

Incest is brother/sister, parent/child.

by Anonymousreply 22704/15/2019

Again R226 Sansa was considered as a bride for her cousin Robin and the only objection was because he was an idiot child, not a relation.

by Anonymousreply 22804/15/2019

Dany telling Jon that Sansa better show her respect otherwise there will be repercussions was interesting. Sansa is a highly respected leader in the North. If she kills her they’d be queuing up to take her head, starting with Arya.

Maybe she suggests Sansa be married off to a trusted ally as a distraction. To Jorah Mortmont, Tyrion or the Hound...

Maybe to Gendry if she wants to puss Arya off.

by Anonymousreply 22904/15/2019

Jon is the true king of Westeros, R226, and Sansa is the true-born rightful ruler of the North. Jon has no claim to be Kinginthenorth, except that the Lords of the North had a temporary burst of enthusiasm.

Which is why Sansa is going to join the crowd pushing Jon to marry Danerys and co-rule Westeros. Which will both put a stop to any jostling over a crown neither has, get everyone concentrating on fighting the fucking undead, and make sure he leaves the North when the War Between The Living And The Dead is over. It'll happen if she has to stick a crossbow in his ear at the wedding ceremony.

by Anonymousreply 23004/15/2019

"What repercussions? Give it your best shot, foreign whore."

by Anonymousreply 23104/15/2019

R229, Jon isn't going to let Sansa be married against her will again, not just out of concern for her feelings, but out of concern for the man's life.

by Anonymousreply 23204/15/2019

Jon has never cared about being King, I don't know why people expect him to now, it goes against his entire character.

by Anonymousreply 23304/15/2019

Sansa: Boo, you whore

by Anonymousreply 23404/15/2019

[quote]Sansa is the true-born rightful ruler of the North.

That would be Bran actually, not that he would want it, but the North is his by birth right.

by Anonymousreply 23504/15/2019

To be really cruel, Dany could marry Sansa off to mothersucker Robin Arryn.

by Anonymousreply 23604/15/2019

Anyone else cheered when we cocksuckers got a shoutout in the first episode? It's nice to be included, even in the form of a slur, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 23704/15/2019

What IS it with Sansa's hideous circle-chain necklace anyway?

She's been wearing the ugly thing on and off for years, and now she's Lady of Winterfell and claimed all Ramsay's ill-gotten treasure, surely she has something nicer lying around.

by Anonymousreply 23804/15/2019

Didn't Tywin marry his cousin anyway? The Lannisters are all inbred too.

by Anonymousreply 23904/15/2019

R239 Cousins are A-ok for anyone. Only Targs can marry immediate family

by Anonymousreply 24004/15/2019

Because of the incest involved in the Targ family tree, genetically Jon and Dany aren't really aunt and uncle as you would think of it. Their degree of genetic similarity makes akin to traditional brother and sister. I think someone calculated they would share something like 47% of their genetic information.

by Anonymousreply 24104/15/2019

aunt and nephew*

by Anonymousreply 24204/15/2019

I'm ready for the season 8 soundtrack. Ramin Djawadi doesn't get enough kudos for his work.

by Anonymousreply 24304/15/2019

[quote]Ramin Djawadi doesn't get enough kudos for his work.

He won an emmy for his thrones music.

by Anonymousreply 24404/15/2019

[quote]Maybe she suggests Sansa be married off to a trusted ally as a distraction. To Jorah Mortmont, Tyrion or the Hound...

Both Jorah and the Hound are too lowborn to be married to Sansa. And Tyrion is still married to her, so not sure why they’d need to get remarried. Regardless Sansa ain’t marrying anyone.

by Anonymousreply 24504/15/2019

[quote]That would be Bran actually, not that he would want it, but the North is his by birth right.

Bran keeps saying he isn't even Bran anymore. "Bran" died a long time ago and I doubt anyone would argue with him nor would their people even follow him.

So it goes back to Sansa again.

by Anonymousreply 24604/15/2019

Bran renounced his claim. And Jorah isn't lowborn, but he is disgraced (and older than her father)

by Anonymousreply 24704/15/2019

Sansa would never allow herself to be married off again and Jon would never allow it. Think Sansa has probably swore off men altogether.

by Anonymousreply 24804/15/2019

Bran would be considered the rightful heir if he were in his right mind, but let's get real. He's physically disabled and isn't like other people mentally, everyone in the North would agree that he isn't capable of ruling, including Bran himself. As far as everyone who isn't aware of his abilities is concerned, it's right that his sisters care for him for the rest of his life.

And Sansa will marry eventually, to carry on the Stark line. She won't want to, but it will be up to her to carry on the dynasty, since I expect Arya and Bran to be out of the picture by the end. So she'll find some undemanding guy who will let her rule, and won't make any demands on her except when they want another child.

by Anonymousreply 24904/15/2019

[quote] Bran keeps saying he isn't even Bran anymore. "Bran" died a long time ago

Meera Reed said Bran died in the cave.

by Anonymousreply 25004/15/2019

Cousins don’t count as incest. Even now in the actual real world you can marry a first cousin. Ugh.

Anyway they would never have created the aunt/nephew storyline if they didn’t want to use it as a source of friction. It’ll be a problem, guaranteed.

by Anonymousreply 25104/15/2019

What is weird about the Bran thing is they basically have Westerosi google sitting right there and no one is trying to pump him for information.

I mean Bran can see what Cersei is going, see what is happening at the Wall, see the past, see the future. How would priority number 1 not be trying to get as much information out of him as you can.

by Anonymousreply 25204/15/2019

Well, Bran could volunteer helpful information instead of lurking around the courtyard looking spacey.

by Anonymousreply 25304/15/2019

R205 why kill Edmure?

by Anonymousreply 25404/15/2019

R253 he was waiting for an old friend. Very important business. Had to be sure he was there to give Jaime *the look*.

I approve.

But now he can stop being a creeper and start using his visions to help.

by Anonymousreply 25504/15/2019

Bran is the first ever Emo. So sullen and boring. Just volunteer what you know Bran instead of just sitting there getting in everyone’s way.

by Anonymousreply 25604/15/2019

Samwell Tarly is now lord of the Reach (Warden of the South) though he may not know his father had taken over from the Tyrells.

by Anonymousreply 25704/15/2019

Bran would seem insane to me.

“Ooh, There’s little Brandon Stark. The one who used disobey his mother and climb up very tall walls. One day he fell off one of those walls and was crippled. Then he disappeared for a while. Now he’s come back without the servants he left with, without his brother and without his dire wolf. Just says, “I am the three eyed raven.” They really wanted to try him for the murder of his servants, but he was so adamant about being a raven that they figured he was too cuckoo to stand trial. But I don’t buy it. I think he’s faking, like Vinnie the Chin Gigante. Three eyed raven, my ass.”

by Anonymousreply 25804/15/2019

If they both survive, Sansa should eventually get with Gendry. He's at least her age. He might be a bit dim, but he's hot. She can be the Lady of Winterfell and he could do the blacksmith thing. It could work.

Arya is dead in this scenario of course.

by Anonymousreply 25904/15/2019

I thought when you joined the Night's Watch, you renounced all claims to titles and lands?

by Anonymousreply 26004/15/2019

Cersei and Jamie had to hide their relationship because she was married to the King.

by Anonymousreply 26104/15/2019

Lols at the responses about Bran.

by Anonymousreply 26204/15/2019

The traditions of the Night’s Watch are not really relevant anymore. Sam is effectively married. Jon declared his watch over with his first life. The Wall is down.

by Anonymousreply 26304/15/2019

Yeah r217 Bran was a handsome little kid, but puberty was not kind to him. Sansa was pretty from the start and stayed pretty. Arya was cute and is now average. And short.

by Anonymousreply 26404/15/2019

Yeah there is no Night's Watch anymore, there's not even a wall!

It's a reach (har) to claim Sam as Lord of the Reach. That's something Jaime offered to Sam's father. Not something Sam could take to the bank now.

by Anonymousreply 26504/15/2019

[quote]Cersei and Jamie had to hide their relationship because she was married to the King.

They had to hide it since they were kids, at least in the books. It wasn’t just bc she was married to Robert; they were caught once as preteens, and their mother saw to it that Cersei had her bedroom door guarded at night so she wouldn’t escape to Jaime’s room.

by Anonymousreply 26604/15/2019

Even on the show it’s clear jamie and Cersei’s relationship existed long before she was married to the king. And it was always secret.

by Anonymousreply 26704/15/2019

[quote]Why are people suddenly pretending that EC is not a good actress?

It's a troll meme. They maintain a presence at all levels of social media, message boards, and article comments. They're trying to inculcate division between fans of any given show, as they do over any political issue. Emilia Clarke is the chosen target because she's arguably the strongest, most positive female protagonist on GoT.

You should see what they did (and are still doing) to Star Wars.

by Anonymousreply 26804/15/2019

R264, I was shocked to read Maisie is 5'1. She looks shorter. I'd argue she is well below average in looks.

Jaime and Cersei are taboo. Look at all the brother/sister fucker jokes that are made.

R268, you're nuts. Maybe people just don't think EC is a good actress. I sure don't.

by Anonymousreply 26904/15/2019

The Night's Watch is going to be officially disbanded, leaving all the surviving members free to hold lands and marry. So Sam will marry Gilly, father legitimate kids, and write the history of the War Between the Living and the Dead.

As for Clarke being a weak actress, I think she's perfectly fine in a role that isn't terribly well conceived or written. A lot of the people in ASOIAF are not so much people as springboards for GRRM's playing with ideas, and Danerys is more the embodiment of all his political and governmental notions than a real person. Clarke is doing as well as anyone can, but she's written as spouting an uneasy mix of modern and Medieval ideas. Her written inconsistencies have gotten under people's skin all along and convinced some that she's cruel or horrible or suffering from "Targaryan Madness", when all she's doing is as getting as Medieval as anyone else in the show. I don't blame Clarke, I blame GRRM and the show's writers for the real problem.

by Anonymousreply 27004/15/2019

[quote]Maisie Williams really is unfortunate looking. The scene with Gendry hightlighted how unattractive she is, he is way out of her league.

Unkind, and also untrue. She's quite interesting looking; as a character actress, she could go far.

I rather like performers with the kinds of faces people characterize as ugly or unattractive. Danny Trejo is another. It's like a different form of beauty - I could look at him all day long.

by Anonymousreply 27104/15/2019

R269, just the facts, ma'am.

by Anonymousreply 27204/15/2019

Jon technically died so if he could use that excuse to leave the Night's Watch, he can't now claim the Iron Throne as well. It goes to the next person in line, i.e. Daenerys.

by Anonymousreply 27304/15/2019

Sadly, Maisie Williams isn't beautiful, and doesn't have a very interesting face. She has one of those British faces that are sort of round and lumpy, with a blobby nose and small mouth, which I privately call "pork pie faces". I expect her to visit some top plastic surgeons when the shooting finishes up, a few tweaks and she might achieve "cute".

Speaking of cute, it never ceases to amaze me how beautiful Danerys Targaryan is, when Emilia Clarke is no more than cute in real life or other roles. She's very cute, but no more than mildly pretty when she looks like herself. The show's makeup and camera people have worked wonders there.

by Anonymousreply 27404/15/2019

I agree with the earlier poster where the craziest thing in the episode was Bran telling them there is an undead ice dragon and they didn't even acknowledge it let alone express any concern. I also don't understand why they all just don't ask Bran what is going on since he can see it all. And if a horde of 100,000 plus ice zombies including giants and a dragon showed up at the Umber castle, there wasn't very much damage, all things considered, and it seems completely impossible that the party from Winterfell wouldn't have wandered into them on their way there.

by Anonymousreply 27504/15/2019

Who do we think will be the first to fall during the battle of Winterfell? I think Pod.

by Anonymousreply 27604/15/2019

WTF was with the ending, the pattern of corpse limbs catching fire and forming a sunburst?

Corpses aren't flammable, especially the fresh ones! They're soggy!

by Anonymousreply 27704/15/2019

I hate that sourpuss Sansa so much. Bitch needs to be slapped. Or at least fucked. Hard. When was the last time she had a dick inside of her? I hope one of the dragons devours her.

by Anonymousreply 27804/15/2019

Sansa evolution is the most interesting one in my opinion. Jon Snow on the other hand, is still stuck on Ned Stark vision of the world that got him kill and almost ruined his family.

by Anonymousreply 27904/15/2019

I have no hope for anything resembling a happy ending. To paraphrase Arya, that's not with this show is about.

by Anonymousreply 28004/15/2019

I wonder, are there multiple Russian/alt-right trolls here, or is it just one user account taking turns shitting on Emilia Clarke, Sophie Turner, and Maisie Williams in different posts?

by Anonymousreply 28104/15/2019

I don't understand the Sansa love. She has been the least likable character from the very beginning.

Also, for the love of the Old and New Gods, why would Russian trolls care about posting here about GoT?

by Anonymousreply 28204/15/2019

She doesn't always use the tools available to mark herself average or above-average.

by Anonymousreply 28304/15/2019

I do think Jon is on the Throne, in some way. He is the Prince who was Promised, and he is the "song" of ice (the Northern Starks) and the Targeryns (Dragon Riders).

Yeah I'm all in Jon Snow, have been since Season 1.

by Anonymousreply 28404/15/2019

FFS, forgot the fire...^^^

by Anonymousreply 28504/15/2019

Go fuck youreelf r281 for whining about Reds Under The Bed because we don’t like your mediocre tumblr faves.

by Anonymousreply 28604/15/2019

Yes, Jon and Dany together are the Prince(ss) Who Was Promised, but the PWWP doesn't necessarily survive the final battle. Heroes are martyrs as often as not.

by Anonymousreply 28704/15/2019

[quote]Also, for the love of the Old and New Gods, why would Russian trolls care about posting here about GoT?

What's your real question? Whether they post here (it's already quite apparent that they do), or why would they care about Game of Thrones?

The same reason they care about Star Wars - it's got a large fanbase, and it's ripe for piggybacking a far right political agenda. None of this is up for debate - it's something they actually do.

Their material on GoT takes the same form - extreme hatred and criticism of female characters and the actors who play them, bitching about SJWs, etc.

by Anonymousreply 28804/15/2019

Yes, R277, I noticed that too. How very . . . decorative. I wondered about the meaning of the pinwheel shape. The Night King, apparently, has a history of doing fancy displays of bodies; you can see that one of the first scenes of the show.

by Anonymousreply 28904/15/2019

Are you a troll, r278? Did you forget that Sansa's last husband was a violent psychopath who raped her mercilessly? She has been used and underestimated by just about everyone. Her character has evolved to the point that she understands she can only depend on herself.

by Anonymousreply 29004/15/2019

Maisie is a bore and Emilia is a bad actor and Ghostbusters and Star Wars were attacked by incels are not mutually exclusive facts.

by Anonymousreply 29104/15/2019

^^ Troll.

by Anonymousreply 29204/15/2019

Apart from Tyrion, Sansa and Jaime are my fave of the “lead” characters because of their coming-of-age arcs. They both are quite vain and sensualist but had their pride smashed and had to rebuild themselves into much cannier adults.

Ethereal Queen Daenerys, Noble Bastard Jon and Badass Riot Grrl Arya were just not interesting to me, though the latter might pick up if she has to deal The with consequences of skipping out on a death cult.

by Anonymousreply 29304/15/2019

Die, r292.

by Anonymousreply 29404/15/2019

Maisie is probably the best actress left on the show, next to Lena. Though Lena is leaning awfully hard into a well-trod bag of tricks. I wonder if she's tired of playing Cersei.

by Anonymousreply 29504/15/2019

To be fair Lena really hasn’t had much to do since blowing up the Sept.

by Anonymousreply 29604/15/2019

R289 the pin wheel had the body of the boy Sansa has sent to get carts and oxen, it was set on fire similar to the pin wheel the Ice King set on fire in season one. I know it means the white walkers are closer than ever but I don’t know what else it means.

by Anonymousreply 29704/15/2019

R292 is indeed a troll. Hasn't posted anything that is actually about the show's storyline, only nonsense about Russia and how great EC and alike are. Be gone asshat.

by Anonymousreply 29804/15/2019

That spiral has been a reoccurring motif in the series.

by Anonymousreply 29904/15/2019

Do you know what it means r299? I sure don’t.

by Anonymousreply 30004/15/2019

The meaning of the symbols haven't been explained; just theorized.

by Anonymousreply 30104/15/2019

Thanks r301

by Anonymousreply 30204/15/2019

After she threat Sensi I hope Dani dies.

by Anonymousreply 30304/16/2019

R26 he played a giant dwarf.

by Anonymousreply 30404/16/2019

My theory. Jamie is important somehow; if not, why would Bran Bot be waiting for "an old friend"? Jamie probably now belongs to the 3 eyed raven.

I think Jamie is the prince that was promised. He will kill the night king, save the whole world and die doing it.

Jon is just gonna rule over the rest of it while too-eager-to-be-queen Dany rots in the earth with her dragons. That's after betraying and trying to kill Jon.

by Anonymousreply 30504/16/2019

R43 Varys would have guessed by now, seeing Jon on the dragon. He was the most astonished of the 3 wise men.

by Anonymousreply 30604/16/2019

Dani's utter lack of any grasp of effective public relations strategies after all this time never fails to amaze me.

"How to win the hearts and minds of these poor, simple Northern folk in their humble village? I KNOW! I'll strafe them with my giant dragons!!"

I can never decide if she's a true psychopath, or just stupid.

by Anonymousreply 30704/16/2019

I just do not get "Sansa is the smartest person" attitude. She was a giddy young teenage pawn with Joffrey (can someone remember, after the green fire demolished Stannis's fleet, didnt the Hound? try to rescue her and convince her to leave King's Landing?), then she was a pawn of Littlefinger. She was warned by Shay? on the wharf not to trust him. He used her to get the poison necklace to the wedding which could have backfired on her, killed the guy who helped her escape, then killed her aunt in front of her, traded her to the Boltons and she STILL believed him when he told her that Arya was plotting against her. (The script writers have said last season was not just an elaborate fake out with S and A knowing LF was listening). Then there was the whole, I'm not gonna tell Jon that I have an army in reserve because he doesn't respect me, so a massive army of Northerners--her people--were slaughtered.

Now she's grumbling about feeding Jon and Dany's army and dragons when she knew they were coming and she ought to know that the coming battle with the zombies is going to kill the vast majority of those mouths she was worried about feeding all winter.

by Anonymousreply 30804/16/2019

She spent years watching Cersei, Tyrion, Margaery, and Littlefinger operate. So now she is supposed to a very cunning character who has been in a position to learn from the best Westerosi players. That is the idea of Sansa's character arc, whether it was executed great is another story.

by Anonymousreply 30904/16/2019

R282 Trolls and bots post their targeted nonsense wherever there is an anonymous option to do it. We get trolls rather than bots because a percentage of the alt-right incel/freeper-troll population is really just excited to get to look at all the pretty porn while searching for a place to drop a talking point.

by Anonymousreply 31004/16/2019

For some of the comments, seems likes some people just don't get the subtlety of some plots. Arya knew Little finger was spying on her, Sansa never believed Little Finger, at the end they just played him, the student beat the master.

by Anonymousreply 31104/16/2019

Richard Madden recently commented on the show and he says he likes Sansa's arc because everyone thought she was weak and wilty, but "she is our mother's child". Sansa has improved on Ned and Catelyn's way. She's still principled, but unlike Ned and Cat she knew that there was something to learn from her enemies. She had to adapt to survive. This goes back to when she lied for Littlefinger at the Vale. So I am completely on board with Arya categorizing her as the smartest person she knows. Jon would've been dead at the bottom of a pile of men if she hadn't solicited help from Littlefinger.

by Anonymousreply 31204/16/2019

From what I've read, the tension between Arya and Sansa was supposed to be real. Littlefinger was playing them against each other. Sansa was worried that Arya would reveal the letter Sansa wrote (under duress) to Robb asking him to surrender. But Littlefinger made a big mistake. He said to Sansa that Arya wanted to supplant her as the Lady of Winterfell. That Sansa knew wasn't true. Arya had never wanted anything to do with being a great lady. When Littlefinger said this, it was like a fog lifted for Sansa. She then realized Littlefinger, who other posters above are correct in saying that Sansa didn't really trust him, saw clearly what he was up to.

What likely happened after that was that Sansa, Bran and Arya discussed what to do about Littlefinger and decided to execute him. I thought Littlefinger's death had a karmic justice to it. He had been manipulating the Stark family for ages, starting with their aunt Lysa, then he betrayed Ned, then he handed Sansa over to a psychopath. Finally he was taken down by three of the surviving Stark children who saw through his web of lies.

by Anonymousreply 31304/16/2019

That's what I thought r311. But Sansa and Arya had too many arguments when Little Finger could not have overheard. The writers have said that Sansa and Arya were truly at odds with each other last season. It was also the kind of set up where one honest conversation would have cleared up their differences. They wrote it that way so they could have the OMG trial execution scene at the end. Never mind that it was uncharacteristic.

by Anonymousreply 31404/16/2019

If you are going to claim an interview said something that link it, I am curious to head what the writers said about the Littlefinger resolution. The whole plotline was handled pretty sloppily to me, but I thought last season was terribly written across the board.

by Anonymousreply 31504/16/2019

Why are you believing Cersei that she's pregnant? She's just saying it to manipulate Jaime. Now with bedding that Greyjoy, she can still manipulate Jaime into thinking it's his, but her child would be legitimate, which would secure the Greyjoy fealty.

by Anonymousreply 31604/16/2019

Cersei just sent Bronn to murder Jaimie. I think she was drinking because now she doesn't care if the baby lives or is retarded or born covered in pox.

by Anonymousreply 31704/16/2019

True, Cersei being pregnant could all have been to ruse to try to manipulate Jaime and Tyrion r316. No way of actually knowing for sure yet.

by Anonymousreply 31804/16/2019

She ostentatiously didn’t drink when talking to her brothers. That’s how Tyrion concluded she was pregnant. She’s drinking now.

by Anonymousreply 31904/16/2019

What did Littlefinger hope to achieve by setting Sansa against Arya? He must have had some objective beyond “chaos is a ladder.” There’s already plenty of chaos.

And what was Sansa’s motivation for not telling Jon she had the Army of the Vale standing by?

by Anonymousreply 32004/16/2019



I think that her drinking now reflects on her changed attitude about who her family is. When she met with Tyrion she still thought Jaimie and their children (which meant the fetus because the other kids are dead) were all she had left; Tyrion was the enemy and everyone else that mattered was dead.

Then Jaimie walked out on her, choosing to fight zombies over obeying her double-cross.

At some point after not having the Mountain kill her brothers, Cersei has changed her mind about family. I think she is drinking because she also has changed her mind about the fetus. Maybe the fetus is dead. Maybe the fetus was fake because she thought she could trick Tyrion with her apparent affection for her children being her 'saving grace.' Regardless, she is no longer particularly interested in the well being of her 'family' and is now all about Cersie.

by Anonymousreply 32104/16/2019


I don't think Sansa trusted that the army was standing by. So she didn't tell Jon. She knew that the letter from Littlefinger could just as easily be a lie about his intent to help her.

As for Littlefinger -- he was on auto-pilot and playing his stupid game to have control over a pretty girl and access to a throne and the royal bank accounts. Somehow he still didn't realize how fucked up things actually were. He also didn't realize how unimportant he had become; because Arya opted to execute him in public rather than take his face privately which indicates the Starks thought he no longer even had access to their enemies and was just that useless.

by Anonymousreply 32204/16/2019

[quote] I expect her to visit some top plastic surgeons when the shooting finishes up, a few tweaks and she might achieve "cute".

I don’t think that will work. She has a low forehead and a small face. If she had a large face, it could work. But her face is kind of mushed together. Her eyes are very round and deep set - there isn’t much surgeons can do with that. Her nose is in perspective with the rest of her face, so it doesn’t need to be thinned or shortened. You can’t make a forehead larger. One thing she should definitely do is stay away from Ned Stark hairstyles, with her widows peak showing so low on her forehead. Bangs can cover that.

She could get fillers in her cheeks to try to create the illusion of high cheekbones but 9nce again - her face is round and short. There isn’t much room for cheekbones. Christina Ricci has had fillers or implants to make her face less round and more like she has cheekbones. Ricci has also learned how to use eye makeup to make her eyes appear less round and more almond shaped.

Williams looks shorter than 5’1” to me. When she ages she’s going to have a big problem keeping weight off. Let’s say she’s 5 ft tall. According to actuaries, her weight should be 100 lbs. Try maintaining that when you’re over 35. A person who is 100 lbs probably needs to eat no more than 1500 calories a day or else they’ll gain weight.

Maisie Williams would do well to abandon acting and become a business woman or an artist. Go to university like Jack Gleeson and find something she likes.

by Anonymousreply 32304/16/2019


The kid is extremely attractive and knows it. Her funny face and short stature work because she learned young that funky dance moves, charisma and hanging out with hotter girls get her all the attention she needs. Now all she has to do is follow that up with enough hits to remain relevant. Ironically her looks also protect her from the expected flame out that hot girls who start as child stars go through. Add to that the fact that she is English and believable faces get more work than super-models in the UK and her career is likely to last as long as she wants it.

by Anonymousreply 32404/16/2019

[quote] the Littlefinger resolution. The whole plotline was handled pretty sloppily to me, but I thought last season was terribly written across the board.

It was rushed, an after thought. Like, “Lets do reunions. Bran, Sansa, Arya, Brienne. Let’s waste time showing Arya and Brienne play fighting and admiring each other. You know what? Let’s kill lirtlefinger, too. Just pop it right in there, make it quick. We have more reunions to do in the next episode. Get littlefinger out if the way. We need the extra time to show Dany and Jon riding dragons in the next episode, so wrap that story up.”

I feel like this whole season will be rushed. I dont watch battle scenes - I find them boring. I think there is going to be an extraordinary amount of clinging and clanging this season and soap opera tricks like having trustworthy, established characters suddenly going rogue for drama’s sake.

by Anonymousreply 32504/16/2019

Maisie Williams is ugly af.

by Anonymousreply 32604/16/2019

Post a pic of your own ethereal beauty then, r326, and let us judge you.

by Anonymousreply 32704/16/2019

In my opinion, Cersei should have been the one in the Sept when it exploded with Tommen, on an intentional suicide mission and having Margaery watch from the tower under guard... leaving Margaery to rule a half decimated King's Landing. Then it would have been set up for Margaery to be the queen who faces Daenerys and it wouldn't be this ridiculous good queen vs evil queen bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 32804/16/2019

How hasn’t Cersei been killed by half the people in Kings Landing storming the castle after she blew up their family members in the sept? Everyone knows she did it. Jon Snow gets knifed to death for protecting wildlings but Cersei pays no price for blowing up half the city?

Did Cersei say she was pregnant? I can’t remember. So I don’t know if she’s pregnant by Jamie and slept with Euron in order to say euron is the father, or whether she had a miscarriage and slept with Euron to get pregnant and tell Jamie it’s his baby,

by Anonymousreply 32904/16/2019

Sorry r315, I can't link to the writers intentions re Sansa/Arya/Little Finger. I was reading several websites (eg, AV Club's Month of Thrones) and comments to refresh my memory before this season started and I don't remember where I read it. Viewers did point out that some arguments happened when LF was not around/shown eavesdropping so those arguments reflected their true disagreements. Sansa really did believe LF.

To change the subject, Yara Greyjoy heads back to the Iron Islands with Euron's fleet...hope they don't waste time with Euron following her to get it back. Theon heads up North but without an army and having sacked Winterfell, he's not going to be welcomed. My guess is he will die soon, in the 3rd episode battle, saving Bran's life.

by Anonymousreply 33004/16/2019

Upon meeting each other after several years apart and a world of terrible experiences for each of them, is it any wonder that Sansa and Arya may have been reluctant to trust each other at first?

The story is that they did in fact realize that they could trust each other.

by Anonymousreply 33104/16/2019

R315, check the script notes for "The Sansa Question" at the bottom of the VF article.

by Anonymousreply 33204/16/2019

What’s the gist of the VF article? I’ve read my 4 stories for the month.

by Anonymousreply 33304/16/2019

Sansa is fooled by Littlefinger until he tells her that Arya wants to take her place as Lady of Winterfell. Knowing her sister would never want that is what opened her eyes to LF’s manipulation.

by Anonymousreply 33404/16/2019

Worth reading that VF article, in private browsing mode? because it confirms thst Cersei really is pregnant although Tyrion wasn't supposed to find out.

Also this: "You will be Queen. [. . .] For a time. Then comes another. Younger, more beautiful. To cast you down and take all you hold dear.”

the prophesy by that crazy woman in the cave to young Cersei...(where she said her three children would not survive). I don't remember the full prophecy but is there anything in it that says the "younger, more beautiful" one is a woman? Because Jon is both younger and more beautiful .

by Anonymousreply 33504/16/2019

The Hound: "You left me for dead."

Arya: "But first I took your money."

by Anonymousreply 33604/16/2019

“Brienne the Beauty” is younger than Cersei.

But I don’t suppose anyone assumes she and Jaime will survive.

by Anonymousreply 33704/16/2019

Who is Dany’s couturier?

I thought maxi-coats went out in the 60’s.

That looks like an odd dress worn by Adele Dazeem in a TV concert of Chess.

Maybe they share the same designer.

by Anonymousreply 33804/16/2019

R338 Adele Dazeem's Act 2 Chess dress had POCKETS. And she did half of the concert with her hands in her pockets.

That thing was awesome. Dany should be so lucky.

by Anonymousreply 33904/16/2019

Didn’t the medium also say a younger brother would kill her ?

by Anonymousreply 34004/16/2019

Yes, but both Jaime and Tyrion are younger than her.

by Anonymousreply 34104/16/2019

Did Yara and Theon take the whole fleet? There were a lot of boats at King’s Landing but I thought there were just three with Yara and Theon.

by Anonymousreply 34204/16/2019

[quote] I don't remember the full prophecy but is there anything in it that says the "younger, more beautiful" one is a woman? Because Jon is both younger and more beautiful .

No, it doesn't specify that it's a woman but I dont' think the show would make that switch because men aren't typically thought as beautiful, but handsome. If Maggy the Frog said "someone younger, more handsome" then my mind would go to a male; but not beautiful.

The show could tweak that though as they did with "the prince that was promised" prophecy. They went to great pains to have Missandei to explain that it could also mean princess.

There is always a hitch to these prophecies.  Cersei was worried about Margaery being the woman foretold in the prophecy - and she was in that moment - but it could easily be Daeny who will take the throne Cersei's occupying or it could be as someone posited upthread, Brienne because she's not a beauty by way of her visage, but by her spirit and her honor.

[quote]Didn’t the medium also say a younger brother would kill her ?

Only the book references the prophecy of Cersei dying at the hand of her Valonqar.

The prophecy: And when your tears have drowned you, the Valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

Again, prophecies are tricky. She's hated Tyrion because she blamed him for her mother's death and also this prophecy in the back of her mind. But there are plenty of little brothers who could kill Cersei - Tyrion, Jaime, Euron, Jon, Theon, The Hound (as a fuck you to his brother The Mountain).

by Anonymousreply 34304/16/2019

[quote]They went to great pains to have Missandei explain that it could also mean princess.

Emphasis on "great pains". Cause that shit made me squirm.

by Anonymousreply 34404/16/2019

It was more cringe-worthy than the Ed Sheeren cameo.

by Anonymousreply 34504/16/2019

I’m still confused how Theon Greyjoy banged Cersei. Didn’t his cock get cut off in Season 2?

by Anonymousreply 34604/16/2019

Is that sarcasm r346, or do you not realize Theon and his uncle Euron are different characters...?

by Anonymousreply 34704/16/2019

Were the hookers referring to Ed Sheeran when they were talking about the ginger whose eyelids were burnt off?

by Anonymousreply 34804/16/2019

We can only hope and pray.

by Anonymousreply 34904/16/2019

R319, when a medieval person refuses to drink in your presence, it was a way of saying "I think you might poison me". It was considered a deliberate insult, a violation of the normal courtesies. And of course, they had no clue that drinking during pregnancy was bad for anybody, that was discovered in the late 20th century.

And R320, Jon would have absolutely refused to ask for help from Littlefinger, he would have had Sansa put under guard away from pen and ink and ravens rather than let her write to him. Sansa only contacted the SOB because she knew damn well that Jon was going to lose the battle if he attacked Winterfell with an inadequate army, and sure enough, he'd lost the battle by the time she arrived with Littlefinger and the Vale Knights.

The fact that Sansa was able to get help from a man as clever and evil as Littlefinger, and then kill him without breaking the alliance with the Vale Knights does give Arya grounds for calling her "The cleverest person I ever met".

by Anonymousreply 35004/16/2019

I suppose the "Valonquar" prophecy wasn't included because "valonquar" means "younger sibling", and that could be anyone. Not just someone with older siblings, but anyone attached to an order that calls itself a brotherhood or sisterhood, which could mean any member of the Night's Watch or a Septa.

Maybe one of the Kingsguard will have enough of her shit. Maybe Septa Unella breaks out of her prison cell and has her revenge. Or my personal favorite, maybe Dario and his mercenary company THE SECOND SONS is among the sellswords hired in Essos, and Dario himself is still loyal to the dragon queen.

by Anonymousreply 35104/16/2019

[quote]Didn’t the medium also say a younger brother would kill her ?

Yes. And she believes it's either Tyrion or Jamie. That's why she's sending Bronn to kill them.

by Anonymousreply 35204/16/2019

R348 Some people seem to think so.

by Anonymousreply 35304/16/2019

R350, you are probably right. Jon would be very suspicious if Sansa told him Little Finger would bring the Knights of the Vale. Not suspicious of Sansa but doubting LF's motives.

But: "The fact that Sansa was able to get help from a man as clever and evil as Littlefinger, and then kill him without breaking the alliance with the Vale Knights"

I don't agree with this. LF was ambitious and marrying Sansa to become King of the North was part of his game plan. He had already put the moves on her when he brought her to the Vale (remember there were scenes where she was dressed/wore her hair very similar to Catelyn). So Sansa knew she could summon him.

A bigger question was the loyalty of the Knights of the Vale to LF. They were VERY suspicious of him when he turned up (with Sansa) and announced his engagement to that crazy woman (Catelyn's sister). Who then conveniently fell through the hole. So did they come because of LF? or because they were part of 'the North'? I think it was the latter.

by Anonymousreply 35404/16/2019

Did read somewhere that Ed S acknowledged it on his twitter. Remember he was invited onto the show because Maisie was a big fan of his.

by Anonymousreply 35504/16/2019

Jonathan has gotten way too good at this after all these seasons. I'm going to miss this.

by Anonymousreply 35604/16/2019

r356, he totally bugs me, but "Looks" was hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 35704/16/2019

R350 you'll change your mind about Sansa soon. They made her too clever however not clever enough to ........go to the spoiler thread for more.

by Anonymousreply 35804/16/2019

R358 link to the spoiler thread, please.

by Anonymousreply 35904/16/2019

I was getting push notifications on my phone about the Jon and Sam chat from News sites 10 minutes after the east coast airing. Jesus christ.

by Anonymousreply 36004/16/2019

I think Tyrion will back up Jon's claim to the throne over Dany when the time arrives. Pure speculation ofcourse,the reasons being:

1) Someone is going to betray dany as per the prophecy(three betrayals). Reason why I don't think it would be Jon(as some are assuming) is because keeping in line with his character Jon will confront her,maybe go head to head if necessary(if she tries something against Sansa) not downright betray her.

2) The scene in finale - when Tyrion is outside the cabin while they are having sex - where he has this look on his face,there was something about It.That look didn't say angry or amused as it should have,it was just ODD . Some people at the time said it was because Tyrion loved Dany but I don't see it at all.

3) Bran hard-core stared at Tyrion after his talk with Sansa this episode which indicated something might be wrong.

4) Tyrion has been clearly disagreeing with dany on a lot of things lately and knows Jon would make the necessary sacrifices which she wouldn't (like Sam said). Now when Jon's real parentage comes to light he may support her claim. Remember when Varys told him about Dany for the first time - his main focus was she could rule the westeros better than the men currently in power could but now her character flaws are in sharper focus while Jon is doing great.

by Anonymousreply 36104/16/2019

I think Tyrion, Jaime, and cersei are goners. That'll be the end of the Lannisters.

by Anonymousreply 36204/16/2019

I just saw a video where Kit said that his ball got stuck in the thing when he was filming riding the dragon, he is pretty cute

by Anonymousreply 36304/16/2019

R347. I was only mildly interested. So, Euron banged Cersei? Isn’t she the pit of doom? I mean anyone who’s charged that fortress has died so far. Theon, despite what’s missing, actually grew a set and saved Yara?

Damn. That clears it up. Who would hate their kid enough to name him Euron. Westeros is fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 36404/16/2019

I the men don't win over the women, I'll be mightily pissed and probably never watch this show again.

by Anonymousreply 36504/16/2019

That’ll show ‘em r365! Now that you be watched every episode of every season!

by Anonymousreply 36604/16/2019

R365 why GoT got the worst misogynistic fandom ever? You are a pathetic little whiner.

by Anonymousreply 36704/16/2019

[quote]when a medieval person refuses to drink in your presence, it was a way of saying "I think you might poison me". It was considered a deliberate insult, a violation of the normal courtesies. And of course, they had no clue that drinking during pregnancy was bad for anybody, that was discovered in the late 20th century.

And, of course, people in present day Westeros are limited by what was understood to medieval earthlings, notwithstanding the Citadel.

by Anonymousreply 36804/16/2019

R358 I hope that's true. The Sansa love on other forums is overwhelming and I just don't get it. I did read that the writers met with George Martin and discussed his overall plot outline and ending so this sudden gush of "Sansa is the smartest person evah" made me think she was going to be the ultimate victor.

by Anonymousreply 36904/17/2019

Where the fuck is Ghost? All the time spent this episode with Jon in the North, shouldn't Ghost be trotting along at his heels?

I'll wager at some point one of the dragons fries Ghost. Maybe that will be the thing that frees Jon from his pussywhippitude.

by Anonymousreply 37004/17/2019

I think the Starks will be wiped out, I think the Lannisters will be wiped out. I think in the end all that will remain are secondary characters.

by Anonymousreply 37104/17/2019

GRRM's original title for the last book was A Time For Wolves, so I don't think the Starks are getting wiped out.

by Anonymousreply 37204/17/2019

No. Many actually do survive. Especially those from a certain family.

by Anonymousreply 37304/17/2019

STUDY: 37% of Viewers Likely to Cancel Their HBO Subscription Following Game of Thrones Finale

by Anonymousreply 37404/17/2019

R359 Sansa died in the original pitch for the book series. In the context of what happens on the show,it will have many pissed off. If she were more braun and less brain,her upcoming status might be different.

by Anonymousreply 37504/17/2019

I don't really care for this 'Sansa is the smartest person ever' storyline, but I do hope she survives so she can be the Stark at Winterfell. The North is going to need some serious rebuilding, and it'll help if someone from that family is still around. It'll give the Northerners hope.

Bran doesn't count b/c he's the 3ER and I don't see Arya sticking around long term. Sansa it is.

by Anonymousreply 37604/17/2019

I wish the person who knows spoilers would shut the fuck up and stop hinting things.

There's another thread for spoilers for upcoming episodes. Post there to your heart's delight.

by Anonymousreply 37704/17/2019

It's a common trope with people who read spoilers r377 sadly, they feel "special" because they have no discipline and read them and can't help trying to advertise that fact.

by Anonymousreply 37804/17/2019

Declare the North condemned, for all I care. As long as the tolerant Dorne and The Sapphire Isles are okay, I'm okay.

by Anonymousreply 37904/17/2019

The people pretending to know spoilers are making them up.

by Anonymousreply 38004/17/2019

I wouldn't mind some of Harry Strickland's [italic]golden[/italic] company...

by Anonymousreply 38104/17/2019

Harry Strickland doesn't sound like a Game of Thrones name. It sounds like the name of the actor playing the character.

by Anonymousreply 38204/17/2019

Agreed, but that's Martin's doing.

by Anonymousreply 38304/17/2019

I'm one of those who is planning to cancel HBO after GoT. Big little lies maybe is kind of interesting? I liked the season 1, but I don't see the point of more seasons.

by Anonymousreply 38404/17/2019

Agreed, R377. There is a thread with spoilers, they should just stay there. I also don't enjoy when book details come up because I've never read them and many plot points were left out of the show.

by Anonymousreply 38504/17/2019

The KINGSLAYER, r305. Good call.

by Anonymousreply 38604/17/2019

What’s Bran going to do when this whole thing blows over?

by Anonymousreply 38704/17/2019

He'll merge with the nearest heart tree, I'd imagine.

by Anonymousreply 38804/17/2019

Well r387, he’ll go on some anti depressants, throw out his goth wardrobe and join tinder.

by Anonymousreply 38904/17/2019

Bran the character? I think he'll die. The actors I fully expect to disappear. As sad as Madden Was to leave the show, it probably worked in his favor to leave (in spectacular fashion) before the ending and coast on the GoT acclaim.

by Anonymousreply 39004/17/2019

Someone in one of the other threads said that this season would be all "strong women" and beta males. I think he might be right.

by Anonymousreply 39104/18/2019

Why are you even here R391?

by Anonymousreply 39204/18/2019

You must be new to the show r391

by Anonymousreply 39304/18/2019

R392's question refers both to this thread and DL as a whole. Because this place isn't an MRA support group, buddy.

by Anonymousreply 39404/18/2019

[quote] What’s Bran going to do when this whole thing blows over?

Bran’s going to take the car, go to mum’s, kill Philip, grab mum, head over to Liz’s & pick her up, then go to the Winchester and have a nice, cold pint and wait until all of this blows over.

by Anonymousreply 39504/18/2019

Didnt Cersei double cross Bronn once before, offering him a castle and a fat noblewoman? Then she reneged. I think Bronn knows better than to trust Cersei again. He’ll pretend he’s going to kill Tyrion & Jamie.

by Anonymousreply 39604/18/2019

But who'll kill Cersei? And how? I'd want to see her choked to death, like Homer chokes Bart.

by Anonymousreply 39704/18/2019

Is the Night King a Targaryen?

by Anonymousreply 39804/18/2019

The valonquar prediction isn’t made in the tv show. Only in the books. So anyone can kill Cersei any way they like. Even Cersei can kill Cersei.

by Anonymousreply 39904/18/2019

I really don’t care who the Night King is. He’s an ice zombie. That’s enough to know

by Anonymousreply 40004/18/2019

Just wanted to say that everyone in the photo at R95 is perfectly unattractive.

by Anonymousreply 40104/18/2019

R399 Martin has said that major character fates will be the same as his books (if he ever makes them). Cersei's death counts as a major fate.

by Anonymousreply 40204/18/2019

I have accepted we will not read Martin’s future books.

by Anonymousreply 40304/18/2019

[quote] Martin has said that major character fates will be the same as his books

So Beric Dondarrion will die reviving Catelyn Stark into Lady Stoneheart?

by Anonymousreply 40404/18/2019

As have I, but he has said that major characters will meet the fates that he mapped out. A little brother will kill Cersei. Whose? TBD.

by Anonymousreply 40504/18/2019

I was thinking the same r403, I thought they took 2 years for the last season to give him time to finish the book, but here we are again.

by Anonymousreply 40604/18/2019


r405 Ooh. I had never looked at it that way. So Bran, Jaime, Tyrion, or Theon? Any other famous younger brothers out there?

Come to think of it, didn't Yara call Theon "little brother" on several occasions during the course of this series? Holy shit, it's totally going to be him, isn't it?!

by Anonymousreply 40704/18/2019

r406 That would never have worked anyway because he's still writing the penultimate book. We're decades away from getting the last one out of him, which will probably have to be done using a ouija board.

by Anonymousreply 40804/18/2019

The Hound is also a younger brother.

by Anonymousreply 40904/18/2019

All the signs point to Jamie (It would be very poetic, twins, lovers, when they were born, he was holding her foot) but there's wiggle room in the prophecy.

by Anonymousreply 41004/18/2019

r409 You're right! I knew there was a big one in there I forgot.

by Anonymousreply 41104/18/2019

Any younger brother outside of a Lannister would just be for the gotcha factor. Bran killing Cersei makes no sense, nor Theon. There’s no dramatic satisfaction in anyone other than one of her brothers offing her, if you believe the prophecy will come to pass.

If the prophecy doesn’t matter than a case could be made for either Arya or Sansa too.

by Anonymousreply 41204/18/2019

What about Drogon killing her?

by Anonymousreply 41304/18/2019

r412 Yeah, you're probably right. Besides, "little brother" also works as "little person", so my bet would be on Tyrion.

r413 Drogon is the strongest dragon and named after Dany's husband, so that wouldn't make sense. The one named after her brother has been turned and Viserion was her older brother anyway.

by Anonymousreply 41404/18/2019

*Viserys was her older brother

by Anonymousreply 41504/18/2019

R414 no I just would like to see Cersei get roasted and eaten by a dragon.

by Anonymousreply 41604/18/2019

The Hound could turn to her after he finishes off her bodyguard—the Mountain.

by Anonymousreply 41704/18/2019

r416 Ha! I see. I wouldn't mind that either...

by Anonymousreply 41804/18/2019

R412 I don’t want Tyrion to be executed, but as he and Arya are roughly the same height he could certainly wear his face...

by Anonymousreply 41904/18/2019

Arya is the one who chokes her while wearing Jaimie's face -- then Drogon burns the body.

by Anonymousreply 42004/18/2019

If it is a brother that kills her, could it be her unborn child?

by Anonymousreply 42104/18/2019

Wouldn't that child be Cersei's son and nephew, but not her brother?

by Anonymousreply 42204/18/2019

Cersei's drinking has nothing to do with the pregnancy, her patting her belly repeatedly tipped off Tyrion. Now she has secured a non incestuous possible 'father'. But if she miscarried I'd think we'd see that bc that would turn her rabid or break her, not a moderate response either way.

I thought that the NK and the WWs were replicating the Golden Mean. Hard to tell what to read into and what should be taken at face value.

by Anonymousreply 42304/18/2019

Jamie almost has to be the one who kills the Night King. They're not going to miss the chance to let the "King Slayer" redeem himself by being the "King Slayer" and die a hero's death in the process.

by Anonymousreply 42404/18/2019

We get it, the dismembered corpses are arranged to look like a Targaryen sigil. So what if the Night King is a Targ? That means he, Jon & Dany will battle it out on their dragons, but they were all going to battle it out anyway, so why bother making him the Alt Targaryen?

by Anonymousreply 42504/18/2019

We saw the creation of the Night King. Remember the flashback that showed the Children of the Forest creating him as a weapon to use against humans? The spiral thing was a symbol of the Children of the Forest's magics.

by Anonymousreply 42604/18/2019

The three headed dragon. Dany, Jon & the night King

by Anonymousreply 42704/18/2019

So what's the Night King/White Walkers motivation here? They've got a bunch of zombies but it's not like they have to feed them. For all we know, WWs don't eat either. They've got plenty of room to spread out up there beyond the wall. Yes there were wildlings encroaching on this land but that's been resolved. So call a truce. Rebuild the wall and everyone can go home. (Except the wildlings, they have to stay south of the wall)

by Anonymousreply 42804/18/2019

Night King reminds me of A.I. gone amok, in that he was created to conquer and he'll just keep on going until there's nothing left to conquer.

by Anonymousreply 42904/18/2019

Works for me r428.

by Anonymousreply 43004/19/2019

I like Gendry’s beefy body but his face is basic/borderline derpy to me. Arya isn’t physically attractive but her skills, talent, intelligence and highborn status make her appealing

by Anonymousreply 43104/19/2019

Don't forget Podrick and his magic cockp

by Anonymousreply 43204/19/2019

Gendry has small ears

Pod is cute enough

by Anonymousreply 43304/19/2019

Here’s my brief review of the season so far:

Trite Self-Parody.

by Anonymousreply 43404/19/2019

Most of the posts in this thread are pure speculation. What people think might happen. Or want to happen. Chill out. The ending is going to be different from the books. I can just feel it. And because the two D’s said so.

by Anonymousreply 43504/20/2019

R435 but you are allowed to speculate? The rest of them aren’t, but you are because you “feel it”? Is it because you’re chill? Or you’re not chill, but everyone else should be?

Im just wondering, because obviously you make the rules

by Anonymousreply 43604/20/2019

Nothing in your post makes sense, r436. It was in response to people complaining about spoilers. No one really knows how the show is going to end because the producers/writers said they were not going to necessarily follow the books so that it would be a surprise for book readers too. The feeling it part was a joke, son. I haven’t read any of the books and don’t know how it will end. But I like reading the thoughts of others who have opinions on how it might end. And what happens leading up to it. Jeez. You sound wound. And weird.

by Anonymousreply 43704/20/2019

I totally understand r436, get over yourself

by Anonymousreply 43804/20/2019

Team r436.

by Anonymousreply 43904/20/2019

R437 The showrunners met with Martin for days about the ending. They are ending the show because they can't steal the great ideas from his books anymore! The show could have lasted two more solid seasons after this.

by Anonymousreply 44004/20/2019

Do you think he deliberately held off on finishing another book because HE wanted the show to end, r440?

by Anonymousreply 44104/20/2019

George RR Martin said he felt the show could have continued for years in order to be faithful to the books. I just think he liked getting that HBO money for his created by credit. When the series began he said he would have the final books done by the time season 5 came around. That didn't happen. I think he lost steam because in some ways --even though Dan and David collaborated with GRRM - the show beat him and that stole his thunder. Now instead of people coming the show to the books, the show will hold precedence in people's mind. Nightflyers has been axed so he can't blame that show for holding him up from finishing the books.

by Anonymousreply 44204/20/2019

Episode 2 has leaked.

by Anonymousreply 44304/21/2019

r443 Omg!

by Anonymousreply 44404/21/2019

Does anyone remember that show with Eva Green on a rival network that was positioned as direct competitor to GoT when GoT first started? I was an existing book fan back when GoT premiered so I knew this competition was a non-starter, but some people insisted this was an equal competition. It makes me laugh today just thinking about it. Was it Camelot or something?

by Anonymousreply 44504/21/2019

Eva Green was in Penny Dreadful, unless there's another series she was in.

by Anonymousreply 44604/21/2019

Yes, apparently Amazon Prime for Germany put episode 2 up early so now it is circulating around the net.

by Anonymousreply 44704/21/2019

r446 She was in Camelot back in 2011 (Penny started in 2014), which only lasted one season with ten episodes.

by Anonymousreply 44804/21/2019

[quote]Episode 2 has leaked.

Thank you for the heads up. This episode is straight fan service but for a final season, I can accept it.

by Anonymousreply 44904/21/2019

Yeah, my first reaction was quite a bit less charitable than that but I guess the fans really do deserve some last-minute fan service after seven seasons.

I won't say more until after the episode has aired.

by Anonymousreply 45004/21/2019

Funny because I looked on optimum to see what this week’s episode is called and there’s no episode title nor a description of the episode. Just a generic “story of two powerful families want to rule the 7 kingdoms.”

by Anonymousreply 45104/21/2019

Omg, that erection Jaime had after talkingto Brienne...ok it was a sword hilt. But it was pretty obvious.....

by Anonymousreply 45204/21/2019

I didn't expect to see Arya sideboob

by Anonymousreply 45304/21/2019

[quote]I didn't expect to see Arya sideboob

I don't think it was really hers. I think they used the same CGI magic they used for Cersei's walk of shame.

by Anonymousreply 45404/21/2019

It looked like a body double to me.

by Anonymousreply 45504/21/2019

Here's the thread on tonight's episode.

by Anonymousreply 45604/21/2019

Why was that dude on Arya's list?

by Anonymousreply 45704/21/2019

For selling off Gendry to Melisandre.

by Anonymousreply 45804/21/2019

I kinda love this episode (E02), the quiet before the storm. Tons of just wonderful little character moments. Before all shit breaks loose.

by Anonymousreply 45904/21/2019

"defend the realm of men" ... so LOTR!

by Anonymousreply 46004/21/2019

Artist Robert Ball Captures the First 'Beautiful Death' of the Last Season of Game of Thrones

by Anonymousreply 46104/21/2019

Here are two of my predictions and forgive me if anyone else has posted this I didn't read all the posts in the thread.

Arya will kill Jamie and then kill Cersei wearing Jamie's face.

The last shot will be a close up of Bran's face with his eyes closed. When he opens them they will be the blue eyes of the new Night King.

Cut to black.

by Anonymousreply 46205/03/2019

I’ve heard the theory that Arya might kill Cersei as Jamie. It’s possible. I also like the idea that Bran as the new night king. I’m just not convinced that Bran is a good guy.

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