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JFK JR wasn't a good person was he?

Just been reading more and more. The famous quote attributed to him is that he wanted to be a good man and people who knew him had nothing bad to say about him.

But it seems that just like his dad he was a compulsive cheat, so clearly not a good man. He had a temper also and was more republican.

by Anonymousreply 13404/17/2019

Get some sleep, hon.

by Anonymousreply 104/13/2019

Gay friendly and cute! He was a keeper

by Anonymousreply 204/13/2019

Go away, Comrade.

by Anonymousreply 304/13/2019

Compared to the two dipshits who now have the title First Sons, JFK jr was physically, mentally and emotionally far, far superior.

by Anonymousreply 404/13/2019

"But it seems that just like his dad he was a compulsive cheat, so clearly not a good man. He had a temper also and was more republican."

You.Are.Beyond.Fucking.Stupid.

by Anonymousreply 504/13/2019

You've got it all wrong, OP!

Caroline's the bitch.

by Anonymousreply 604/13/2019

He was just uninteresting. Pretty but empty headed.

by Anonymousreply 704/13/2019

He was a cheat.

by Anonymousreply 804/13/2019

I remember, many years ago, Mrs. Betty Bowers writing:

"JRK, Jr. was flying a plane to Martha's Vineyard. His last words were, 'Dear God in Heaven, shut this braying cokehead behind me up!' See? The Lord does answer prayers. Glory!"

by Anonymousreply 904/13/2019

^Can you blame him?

by Anonymousreply 1004/13/2019

^That was for r8

by Anonymousreply 1104/13/2019

I did hear from someone who knew him that he was nice but there wasn’t a lot of depth there. May have just been his age.

by Anonymousreply 1204/13/2019

I've never read one negative thing said about him. Caroline, on the other hand....

by Anonymousreply 1304/13/2019

Compared to moi he's fucking Mother Theresa

by Anonymousreply 1404/13/2019

He meant well.

by Anonymousreply 1504/13/2019

I went to Brown with him. He was a sweet man. Positive. Nice. Engaging. And never "played" the Kennedy card. I got to know him well in college and then reconnected in NYC when he was working for DA. We worked out at the Downtown Athletic Club (long gone). My brush with fame was meeting him outside Jackie's Fifth Avenue place to head downtown in a cab. Jackie had just come in from a walk in the park and I met her.

by Anonymousreply 1604/13/2019

Thanks for your input r16. He seemed like a very decent person.

by Anonymousreply 1704/13/2019

on the spectrum no doubt.

by Anonymousreply 1804/13/2019

🙄^...

by Anonymousreply 1904/13/2019

Nice to hear the stories but he was still a cheat and supported his rapist and pedo cousins.

by Anonymousreply 2004/13/2019

A joint a day made him a mellow fellow.

by Anonymousreply 2104/13/2019

OP we can't all be the divinity that you are. Have pity on us poor mortals.

by Anonymousreply 2204/13/2019

"JFK JR wasn't a good person was he? He was a cheat."

"JFK JR wasn't a good person was he? Nice to hear the stories but he was still a cheat and supported his rapist and pedo cousins."

OP, who is also R20, clearly has some trust issues. Has a Kennedy cheated on you, dear? In your dreams? IRL? I didn't think so...

It's OK to be obsessed, but try not to be so obvious, please

by Anonymousreply 2304/13/2019

He had a hot ass but he couldn't live forever.

by Anonymousreply 2404/13/2019

Didn't Hillary have him killed?

by Anonymousreply 2504/13/2019

r16, wasn't that club one of the nude swim clubs? Did you ever see him nude? Anything interesting to report?

by Anonymousreply 2604/13/2019

He died 20 years ago this July. The face of a male model. Gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 2704/13/2019

How tall was he, R16? He looks to be several inches shorter than the 6'3" Trump.

by Anonymousreply 2804/13/2019

I read a book by a man who worked with him on his beloved GEORGE Magazine. He said basically that John Jr. was a decent, dedicated, hard working guy but was a bit too timid to be controversial and take on more difficult issues. And he also said that his wife Carolyn didn't try to interfere or influence his magazine.

by Anonymousreply 2904/13/2019

Show us more...….

by Anonymousreply 3004/13/2019

R26. Yes. The Downtown Athletic Club used to be a men's only club. And yes, nude swimming. About 1992, when there was some big lawsuit against the University Club and the Raquet Club, they had to go co-ed. Despite that, it remained pretty much (95%) male. One of those old school places with about ten floors of workout things (boxing, weight room, wrestling area !, etc). Also had a hotel for members. It's now a condo.

by Anonymousreply 3104/13/2019

A hunk of burning love.

by Anonymousreply 3204/13/2019

On some old thread here, I wrote about showering w him. I will say what I said before: I know you bitches will say I'm lying, but you can fuck yourselves. Take it or leave it. He definitely was hung. Maybe 5 or so inch soft hang. Fuzzy pecs. Fuzzy ass. But most of all, he was a very nice guy. Oddly, he had a "crap" locker. Instead of getting a full length locker, he had a half sized one on the bottom level. I always remembered that.

by Anonymousreply 3304/13/2019

R28, I remember Geraldo Rivera, pretty average in height himself, boasting that he was taller than JFK, Jr.

by Anonymousreply 3404/13/2019

John was a true 6feet tall. Same as me

by Anonymousreply 3504/13/2019

I had him BITCHES...

by Anonymousreply 3604/13/2019

and what did you give him, you skank...

by Anonymousreply 3704/13/2019

Gay people judging other people based on their sexual habits?

by Anonymousreply 3804/13/2019

He was known throughout Hollywood and Broadway for having his way with well known ingenues/famous young actresses. I wonder why I was never chosen to be the object of his lovemaking.

by Anonymousreply 3904/13/2019

R24 John, most people prefer to ride INSIDE the plane.

by Anonymousreply 4004/13/2019

He wasn' t a cute kid. And his head was oddly shaped. I always wondered if the docs had to use forceps to pull him of of Jackie's over-tight vag.

by Anonymousreply 4104/13/2019

Who cares what he looked like at three years old, r41. He grew up to be stunning.

by Anonymousreply 4204/13/2019

Smoker

by Anonymousreply 4304/13/2019

I always used to laugh to myself at the thought of JFK jr. and Diana getting together.

Can you imagine how crazy the world would have gone?

by Anonymousreply 4404/13/2019

Pot smoker R43

by Anonymousreply 4504/13/2019

A God. Would love to have seen the outtakes.

by Anonymousreply 4604/13/2019

R44, would have been the hottest Diana Prince since Wonder Woman

by Anonymousreply 4704/13/2019

Didn't they meet or have a secret meeting?

by Anonymousreply 4804/13/2019

The entire Kennedy Family is corrupt to the core. The only one I feel sorry for is Rosemary for the obvious reasons.

by Anonymousreply 4904/13/2019

I love Joan Kennedy. Always have. She put up with a lot of shit.

by Anonymousreply 5004/13/2019

John John would have been a DILF .

by Anonymousreply 5104/13/2019

Meh.

by Anonymousreply 5204/13/2019

This is going to put the anti smoking troll in the hospital

by Anonymousreply 5304/13/2019

The anti-smoking troll makes me want to take up smoking and I hate the taste of tobacco products.

by Anonymousreply 5404/13/2019

He was a God. The perfect male specimen.

by Anonymousreply 5504/13/2019

Up until the last few years of his life, he was a party-douche bro who did a lot of coke. Ask anyone near his circle in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 5604/13/2019

a party douche bro mama's boy

by Anonymousreply 5704/13/2019

All I know is that he was friendly and a good tipper. Heard that from other servers too.

by Anonymousreply 5804/13/2019

How dare you?

by Anonymousreply 5904/13/2019

How dare I? How dare you?

by Anonymousreply 6004/13/2019

Was he a pushover? I think he put up with Carolyns shit for too long. If his father had lived maybe he would have had a better mix of nice guy but also tough.

by Anonymousreply 6104/13/2019

He was lucky to have lived when he did. His sheen would’ve come off in these internet/social media days. They would’ve blasted his lack of intelligence everywhere, exposed his wife’s drug use and cheating and outed his bisexual dalliances. He also would’ve been pressured to run for the White House by 2008 only to be destroyed by Barrack and Hillary by the first debates.

by Anonymousreply 6204/13/2019

His rumored REAL father, who was schtupping Jackie....

He DOES look like him.

by Anonymousreply 6304/13/2019

He was the Young Pretender of olden Avalon.

by Anonymousreply 6404/13/2019

r63 Do you not have eyes, it's plain as day that he is a total mix of his mother and JFK

by Anonymousreply 6504/13/2019

JFK Jr. did look a lot like the guy at r63.

by Anonymousreply 6604/13/2019

oh for fuck's sake he looked just like Jackie's dad.

by Anonymousreply 6704/13/2019

He was a goodlooking and unexceptional young man who was both fortunate and unfortunate in his birth. He lived a privileged life and died at an age that 90% of humanity has lived to over the course of millennia. Could have had it so much worse. We all kick off.

by Anonymousreply 6804/13/2019

He liked to walk around naked at his private gym in Soho back in the 80's. I briefly dated the owner of that expensive gym.

by Anonymousreply 6904/13/2019

R33, was he uncut?

by Anonymousreply 7004/13/2019

🙈. 🙉. 🙊.

by Anonymousreply 7104/13/2019

He was not a Republican. And OP is a frau trolling for a frau website.

by Anonymousreply 7204/13/2019

What happened to the Downtown Athletic Club?

by Anonymousreply 7304/13/2019

r73 it got turned into multi-million dollar condos, like everything else in NY.

by Anonymousreply 7404/13/2019

r74 Was it a good place for cruising?

by Anonymousreply 7504/13/2019

The best! Too bad for you.

by Anonymousreply 7604/13/2019

Well, um, you know, he was, you know, an OK little brother, you know, pulling, you know, a lot of pranks, you know, and not, you know, a particularly good student, you know, but he could be, you know, sweet, you know, and was actually, you know, a pretty decent person, you know, and I do, you know, kind of miss him, you know?

by Anonymousreply 7704/13/2019

It was 1977, r53. Everyone smoked. Maybe even the non-smoking troll.

by Anonymousreply 7804/14/2019

I always thought he looked *so much* like JFK until I saw all the Jackie pics on the new Jackie O. thread on DL, and now all I see when I look at him is Jackie’s face on a man’s body and now I can’t unsee it :(

by Anonymousreply 7904/14/2019

JFK wasn't handsome. He looked constipated and all his little features rushed to the center of his head. Jr. was striking like his ma.

by Anonymousreply 8004/14/2019

I also have a JFK jr encounter.

Back in the 90s, my little twirl posse would go to Sound Factory from 2am until around 8am on a Sunday, then go spread a blanket out in Central Park and crash. It was fun to fall asleep when the meadow was empty and wake up to it being totally jam packed. Anyway, one morning when we did this I woke up to JFK jr and his friends playing frisbee right near us. They had clearly already made a couple of lighthearted jokes about us (we were super-faggy club kids in mascara and glitter) because as I was stretching JFK jr turned to me and said “oh good, you’re alive! We were going to call an ambulance. But looks like you had a great time!”

I just laughed and also blushed. He was so so sexy. And in that brief interaction, you could tell he was really nice, too.

God, I miss THAT NYC.

by Anonymousreply 8104/14/2019

I saw JFK Jr. on the street in NY on three occasions in the mid-late 90s. The man was absolutely stunning, he looked exactly the same in person as he did in photos. Even if he hadn't been famous or "JFK Jr.," he still would've turned heads and had people saying "who is THAT guy?"

by Anonymousreply 8204/14/2019

A young Rothschild prince or Indian rajah

by Anonymousreply 8304/14/2019

If my medium could conjure him up, I would give him a spiritual blow job so good that he wish he weren't going to born again.

Don't understand why the OP was obsessed with his temper, his being more Republican when he was so good looking? Is this how an unhinged incel auntie fantasizes about a handsome dead people?

by Anonymousreply 8404/14/2019

What's this about him being bi?

by Anonymousreply 8504/14/2019

His hordes of goofy-looking male cousins must have been seething with toothy jealousy at JFK Jr.s exquisite build and looks.

by Anonymousreply 8604/14/2019

Indeed, r86. The rapists wouldn't have had to be rapists if they'd looked like John-John.

by Anonymousreply 8704/14/2019

It's so weird because he was conventionally ridiculously handsome and had the perfect body but I wasn't sexually into him. I don't get sex appeal vibes or that he could show you a good time. I look at him and think yeh what a perfect face but I don't want to rip his clothes off. (maybe because others have said Kennedy weren't good in bed and he was just nice and nothing else to him)

by Anonymousreply 8804/14/2019

I met him in a men's room in a bar in Georgetown in 1981. He smiled at me and said hello. It was a straight bar, attached to a schmancy French restaurant. I've always wished I'd had the nerve to "take it to the next level," as people would start to say in the following decade, but my boyfriend was waiting for me at our table.

by Anonymousreply 8904/14/2019

Guess R88 was too busy fucking Brad Pitt.

by Anonymousreply 9004/14/2019

Well done, r90.

by Anonymousreply 9104/14/2019

Idris Elba is hotter.

by Anonymousreply 9204/14/2019

R86, his cousin Anthony Shriver was, in my opinion, even more handsome.

by Anonymousreply 9304/14/2019

HI ANTHONY!

by Anonymousreply 9404/14/2019

Tim is and was better looking than anthony

by Anonymousreply 9504/14/2019

Yes, R89, it certainly sounds like it was only your high standards that got in the way of hot mens room sex in a straight restaurant.

But well done for standing on principle.

by Anonymousreply 9604/14/2019

"I've always wished I'd had the nerve to "take it to the next level,"

This is why they hate us.

by Anonymousreply 9704/14/2019

He was a boring lay.

by Anonymousreply 9804/14/2019

I agree with some others. He was beautiful but had zero sex appeal for me.

by Anonymousreply 9904/14/2019

He was marriage material.

by Anonymousreply 10004/14/2019

OP is a trolling troll.

by Anonymousreply 10104/14/2019

I saw him on the early nineties in NYC and dud a double take because he was so gorgeous before realizing who he was, he was stunning. Great story R81, what a way to wake up.

by Anonymousreply 10204/14/2019

Isn't that why his mother didn't want him to be a actor because she was afraid of him being gay? But to be fair she strongly did not want him to be a magazine editor either because the chances of it being a success were so slim.

The Kennedy fortune was made off of illegal activities. All that money was Irish mob money. Al Capone had more class than old Joe. I don't believe in Karma but that guy got it in spades.

And then Jackie was Melania though natve born. Bought by the Kennedys and then by Ari who had all the integrity of Sam Giancana. John Jr and Caroline's wealth was/is blood money. There Isn't an honest cent in any of it

by Anonymousreply 10304/14/2019

What is with the bashing of Jackie and JFK jr? Is this a far right thing now?

by Anonymousreply 10404/14/2019

Blah blah blah, r103. If he were alive, I’d lick his balls from now until Christmas.

by Anonymousreply 10504/14/2019

[quote] If he were alive, I’d lick his balls every Saturday at 1:30 in Times Square from now until Christmas.

Fixed.

by Anonymousreply 10604/14/2019

[quote]The Kennedy fortune was made off of illegal activities.

Prohibition was the stupidest fucking thing this country ever did. Good for the people who found a way to make money off of that idiotic law.

by Anonymousreply 10704/14/2019

I saw the episode of sex and the city recently where Samantha fucks with some rich guy - and his socially connected wife walks in on them. Suddenly Samantha is doomed professionally as the wife has her blackballed from doing PR for lots of major events....

I hadn’t seen the episode - or any episodes - for years - since it was originally broadcast! - but remembered it clearly. At the end, Samantha volunteers for some charity event thing that involves physically working - and she meets JFK Jr - and one gathers she charms him and spends enough time with him - and so is completely socially rehabilitated.

The actor playing JFK Jr appears to help her up as if he’s appeared kinda magically out of the sun - and is so backlit that you can’t actually identify him. But the whole scenario was kinda cheeky and of its time.

Anyway - it must’ve been broadcast not that long before he died - because it had been changed. Samantha now meets Leo Di Caprio. I was gobsmacked. A little bit of perfect nineties social history had been changed. As if knowing Di Caprio would have enhanced you socially amongst that demographic. Puh-lease. So disappointed! Was quite angry they’d changed it - still can’t quite get why it meant so much to me.... weird!

by Anonymousreply 10804/14/2019

R105: Given the chance, so would R103.

Methinks the lady protesteth too much.

Much too much.

by Anonymousreply 10904/14/2019

He would be Clooneyesqe if he'd lived

by Anonymousreply 11004/14/2019

He'd be jowlier than R110's depiction.

by Anonymousreply 11104/14/2019

The Patriarch, the definitive biography of Joseph Kennedy, repudiates the long-standing belief that the Kennedy fortune was built on bootlegging.

by Anonymousreply 11204/14/2019

He was sex on a stick

by Anonymousreply 11304/14/2019

R103 here. I saw John Jr twice close up. He used to eat at a vegetarian place on I believe West 3rd when he was studying at N.Y. University. The first time I didn't recognise him but I thought he was a movie star. His good looks and aura were incredible. He was by himself both times reading a paper. His photos don't do him justice and I thought he was sexy and unassuming as fuck.

Though I don't doubt he was a nice guy the Kennedy fortune was built on rumrunning and the patriarch was as nasty Irish Catholic as they come and that's pretty nasty. And his appeasment policy towards Hitler horrified Franklin and Eleanor.

Ari was a pirate and dumped Callas and Lee the minute he could get his sweaty peasant paws on the porcelain courtesan Jackie. Another target karma made mincemeat of.

The Kennedy image is a joke. Class bought with the fortunes of gangsters. Just not far enough in the past. And JFK gave us the Berlin Wall, The Bay of Pigs and Vietnam. A terrible terrible legacy.

by Anonymousreply 11404/14/2019

Joe Kennedy was hardly a nice guy but the family fortune wasn't built on rum-running. It was built on stock manipulation during the 1920's. He was better at it than the people at Kidder, Peabody and Company, though, and so the WASP's hated him. They hated the Irish anyway, but they hated him more because he made fools of them. His appeasement policy, until the bombs started falling, btw, was exactly the same as that of the King and Queen of England, of the-then PM Neville Chamberlain, and most of Britain's ruling class.

And as "nasty Irish Catholic and that's pretty nasty" says way more about you- and not flatteringly - than it does about anyone else, even Joe Kennedy.

by Anonymousreply 11504/14/2019

Vietnam never would've escalated if JFK had lived.

by Anonymousreply 11604/14/2019

I like thinking that's true, r116. I always have. But is it, really?

by Anonymousreply 11704/14/2019

In the middle of a close reelection that was predicted he would probably lose? You think he was going to "lose" a war and be seen as soft on communism? No. He would have ratcheted up the war.

by Anonymousreply 11804/14/2019

r118 Why would you think Kennedy would lose in 64?

by Anonymousreply 11904/14/2019

I couldn't say either way. The assassination made Kennedy, in memory, seem a lot more popular than he was at the time. It would have been a tough battle for reelection. I'm just really commenting on why he would deescalate and withdraw from Vietnam. Especially after losing Cuba and the fact that the Vietnam war was unpopular at the time. In 64 it was barely on the radar. He wasn't going to take a hit for it.

by Anonymousreply 12004/14/2019

Historians and people who were actually close to JFK said he wouldn't have escalated Vietnam.

by Anonymousreply 12104/14/2019

According to gallup Kennedy was very popular, maybe not so much in the south, but it think he would have done well in '64

by Anonymousreply 12204/14/2019

JFK Jr had no issue with gays . This is a clip of him campaigning for Ted in front of a LGBT audience. Speaking without a script. Articulate, intelligent. He charmed the pants off em. He calls Gay right "our " rights. To think of the scum sitting at his dad's desk. What a loss to America.

by Anonymousreply 12304/14/2019

he should have just presented hole.

by Anonymousreply 12404/14/2019

[quote]This is a clip of him campaigning for Ted in front of a LGBT audience.

Wouldn't it just have been called a "gay audience" then?

by Anonymousreply 12504/14/2019

Trump was indisposed that night ^

by Anonymousreply 12604/14/2019

He' back bitches. On my team

by Anonymousreply 12704/14/2019

How do they know? It was his war he had to win it. The PT 109 was a joke spun by his father.

JFK 's Prize winning Profiles in Courage were written by other men.

He escalated the cold. Joe was smart. A criminal but smart. Bob Kennedy was fighting the mob when it got his brother elected? How stupid could one be? And Ted as we all know was a cowardly disaster.

And the above poster knows no Irish Catholics or even Catholics in general which says a lot about him. Or else is a Catholic and is so superstitious his mind has turned to mush.

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by Anonymousreply 12804/15/2019

R118, Goldwater was seen as the heavy favorite to win the '64 nomination even when JFK was still alive; there was no way he was going to defeat Kennedy.

by Anonymousreply 12904/16/2019

It could be revisionist history on their part, but many aides who wrote books said Kennedy was waiting for post-election to withdraw troops from Vietnam. He knew the blowback would be great, so he didn’t want to do it before his re-election campaign.

by Anonymousreply 13004/16/2019

They were burnishing the Kennedy image. He would have had to show he was going to win the war especially after the humiliation of the Bay of Pigs.

by Anonymousreply 13104/16/2019

[quote]Joe Kennedy was hardly a nice guy but the family fortune wasn't built on rum-running. It was built on stock manipulation during the 1920's.

What a step up.

by Anonymousreply 13204/16/2019

So all those stories over decades of Joe being joined at the hip with the mob have been lies.

Well that's a relief.

by Anonymousreply 13304/17/2019

r133 sure

by Anonymousreply 13404/17/2019
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