A 'healthy Chinese restaurant' called Lucky Lee's opened in Manhattan this week, owned by white folk.

Probably great publicity, non? - even if it's bad publicity.

If I lived in new York, I'd definitely go try it out

The cooks and staff at my favorite Italian restaurant were all Arabs.

I'm betting the only difference is they won't pack the food with MSG. Other than that it'll be the same food you get in any Chinese eatery. Most intelligent people know to tell the waitress "NO MSG" when they place their order in a Chinese restaurant.

MSG is what makes Chinese food taste great.

Hard pass.

Given how the Chinese food we eat in the West is about as authentically Chinese as a free and democratic election I don't quite see the issue.

There’s nothing wrong with MSG.

zzzzz

Some people are highly sensitive to MSG. If I eat anything with MSG in it my skin starts itching like mad.

[Millennial spits out food].

“You mean a Caucasian is profiting off my Chicken Chow Mein? I won’t participate in Cultural Appropriation.”

Lemme guess: the scolds are mostly non-Asian and assimilated first and second generation Asian American.

Asian immigrants are too busy to worry about bullshit accusations of racism.

Most people outside of China would no more eat authentic Chinese food than they would eat dog shit. In fact, a lot of authentic Chinese food is very much like dog shit.

MSG is great. Salt 2.0.

Shitty cunts

I still can't get the image out of my mind of going to a dum sum restaurant many years ago and the waitress rolled the cart up to the table and on one level was about 20 dishes piled high with CHICKEN'S FEET! I almost hurled right there at the table.

r11 is herself full of shit.

I lived in China (industrial city in the north you've never heard of) and can honestly say 1) I only got sick once and 2) Chinese food is fucking delicious.

Lucky Lee's is the Panera Bread of Chinese restaurants.

MSG makes me feel ill.

R15 = "I lived in China" troll.

Whatever, r18. I lived in Badoing, China from 2014-2015.

LOL There's always at least one.

Some of you are the biggest pussies.

*Baoding

Cool it, Tiffany!

[quote]It’s unacceptable for you to open a store like this in NEW YORK where you co-opt and profit off a culture that isn’t yours without explicitly acknowledging where your money AND idea is coming from. Please educate yourself. Please spare us. People like you make me so so angry. I’m so disappointed in you.

How explicit does the credit to China have to be for a restaurant serving self-described “Chinese food?”

News flash SJW idiots. No one owns friend rice. There is no trademark or patent. Now grow up and find a real reason to live. I sure hope the internet wasn't created by a white person...

If the owners are smart, they make patronizing their restaurant into a symbol of defiance of the concept of “cultural appropriation.”

Has new DL non-Fave Ms. Soleil Ho weighed in yet?

No one is more obnoxious than a white Asiaphile.

Do they have moo goo gai pan?

Get a grip. It's New York,along with LA and SF, the home of the PC crowd. What do you expect?

R14, the Youtuber Mikey Chen talks a lot about authentic Chinese food, including the love of chicken feet. It helped me to appreciate it, even if it's not really my thing (neither is takeaway style Chinese food).

MSG makes me sleepy otherwise most dishes taste much better with it.

Ba-Doing!

[quote]Get a grip. It's New York,along with LA and SF, the home of the PC crowd. What do you expect?

Intellectual honesty. To be consistent, white people are going to have to give up everything the Chinese invented:

Next, you won't be allowed to eat the food as a customer if you aren't Chinese. These people couldn't be worse if they tried.

White people who think their European based food is healthier than other foods are hilarious.

American versions of Chinese food are half oil and half oyster sauce.

The irony is that actual Chinese people don't give a shit.

This is about 2nd + generation Asian Americans and white SJWs.

We had Chinese last night, and I couldn't get through more than one bite of each dish. It was so greasy with foul oil and off tastes. The vegetables tasted like plastic and the mystery meat had been velveted into mush. And this was a supposedly better-quality place.

We're spoiled by eating the Vietnamese version of Chinese, which is far lighter and more flavorful with its Vietnamese influences.

So, it’s OK for Vietnamese to appropriate Chinese food because they are Asians too? Indians? It’s all so confusing.

China and Vietnam have a very long, fraught history, r39.

There is a saying in Vietnam: "A true Vietnamese can use chopsticks and hates the Chinese."

Anyone can make any food they want. Customers can make their minds up if they like it or want to eat at such place. Anyone saying otherwise is a dictator. They'll find drama anywhere.

[quote]I lived in Badoing, China from 2014-2015.

I hope your stay was better than mine in Kerplunk.

European imperialism is the root cause of obesity since England and France tore up the world so they could force Dem Darkies to grow sugar while the Spanish, Dutch, and Portuguese helped. What the French did to Haiti is grounds for retaliatory genocide.

Non-gay non-Jewish whites still are cultural parasites after all these years. Everything they do is born out of a smugly unearned sense of superiority, including and especially this.

The Chinese are the last people to complain about so-called “cultural appropriation” or imperialism when they are doing both in Africa right now.

I’m tired of the word “dictator” being thrown around like an epithet when some people actually deserve it. Like all those who believe cultural appropriation is actually a thing and not a manifestation of Marxist antisemitism.

R39, as R40 said, there's a long, ugly history, with China trying to run shit in Vietnam off and on.

I was talking about the Chinese Vietnamese, as they're called. They're Vietnamese of Chinese ancestry. It's a bit like us referring to people of the heritage in the U.S. as Chinese-Americans, even though they've been here for generations. Around where I live, there are a number of restaurants run by them, whether they call them Chinese or Vietnamese, and they're the best.

Obviously, all the cultural appropriation talk about food is silliness.

Italian using pasta in dishes is the very definition of cultural appropriation. Don't see anyone objecting to spaghetti. Pssst, Don't tell the SJWs at Barnard.

Fuck these cunty SJWs and people who fill voids in their pathetic lives by accusing others of racism or cultural misappropriation. What they're doing is creating a toxic atmosphere where race, ethnicity, and culture is viewed through a misguided lens that inadvertently leads to more separation and actual racism. Notice too when these idiots harp on cultural misappropriation it's always when White people are doing the misdeed never POC. No one accuses the Japanese of cultural misappropriation when they have a whole fucking culinary culture devoted to Japanized Western dishes called Yoshoku. Do I hear cultural misappropriation when SJWs decry the lack of Black ballerinas? Last I heard, ballet was invented/ evolved in Europe and became popular in Latin America and East Asia but not Africa.

This p.c. bullshit centered on food and cultural misappropriation is just another way for SJWs and smug assholes to feel superior over other people they deem not woke enough. Don't accuse me of racism either, I'm biracial (Asian/ White) so I've seen, experienced, and heard all sides.

Absolutely, R37. The people protesting this who are Asian are the same assholes who are like "I support affirmative action because we DON'T need more FOBs at Harvard — they make us Asian Americans look bad."

You know the type. So worried about what others think about them.

Plenty of Asian Americans who DON'T care, however.

The most ironic thing about all of this -- ie the students at Oberlin protesting sushi in their dining hall -- is the shitty way the (mostly) POC who actually *prepare* the culturally-appropriated food are treated.

SJWs are rather hypocritical.

[quote]Marxist antisemitism

R46, you are aware that Karl Marx was Jewish?

By your reasoning, there can be no antisemitic Christians because Jesus was Jewish.

Pf Chang's is owned and run by Centerbridge partners, a decidedly non-Asian investment group. Most of their employees including chefs are non Asian. Close them all down! All restaurants serving ethnic food must now be run and cooked only by persons of the original culture that created it!

Ronald McDonald was WHITE. From now on all McDonalds workers must be white people only. Same with Popeye, who was white. Also Burger King and Colonel Sanders.

Very sad that in NYC of all places, meant to be the primary cultural melting pot of the free world, this is going on. A couple of Jews who love Chinese food decided to put their spin on it, which may taste better, or worse, or just different to some. Who cares? If you don't like it or want to try it, don't eat it. If you don't like their Instagram, don't view it. There are literally 1000s of "authentic" Chinese restaurants run by Asians in NYC. People are out of their minds with this trivial bs.

The marketing error this restaurant made was not referring to it as Chinese Fusion and repackaging some of the dishes while maintaining the taste and preparation profile they'd developed.

Chinese food is disgusting and I can’t stand stand white people saying it’s because you have to eat “authentic” Chinese food. It’s disgusting, authentic or not.

[quote]White people who think their European based food is healthier than other foods are hilarious. American versions of Chinese food are half oil and half oyster sauce.

Keyword "American". Not European.

*citation needed r57

R57 You're disgusting.

That’s like asking a Chinese cook how to make a pizza.

[quote]I can’t stand stand white people saying it’s because you have to eat “authentic” Chinese food.

Please don't hit on / sleep with white guys if this is what you have to say.

The people screaming about SJWs and PC thought police speaking on behalf of Asians are doing the exact same thing, though.

The white cranky assholes on this thread saying "yeah but REAL Asians don't care" are taking it upon themselves to speak for all Asians.

The proprietor should be horsewhipped for using the term “icky” in her marketing.

I supposed I should thank the Mao that she did not advertise “no nasties!”.

r63

The way people have been behaving lately all over the country, I'm surprised she didn't say "It's healthy! Not icky! No cats!"

"For all Asians"

A Malaysian butterfly keeper doesn't have shit to say about Chinese food either and should similarly not attempt to speak for all Chinese people. Just like an asshole from Vietnam, Japan, Korea, etc.

A few weeks ago I was watching an episode of The Golden Palace and the hotels phone number kept being mistaken for a Chinese takeout restaurant. Sophia started taking orders and making Chinese food to serve. At one point Sophia or Cheech was pouring a large can of MSG into a pot. I googled Golden Palace MSG to see if there might be a photo to share and oooops Golden Palace must be the most common name for a Chinese restaurant. I didn't pick up on this when watching the show.

I recently watched that episode r68. I'm not a SJW but it surprised me Margaret Cho appeared in it. The part seemed a little racist ...

Of all the Asian countries, Japan and Taiwan really don't care, in fact they're more flattered than offended most of the time. Can't say the same thing for Korea and China though, they tend to have more woke Asians there than in Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong.

Matt the loon has appeared.

Lord almighty . I swear to god Id be far too busy slapping the shit out of these fucking morons if any of them ever got in my face with this SJW bullshit. I feel for that professor at R55 ,my hands would be whirring like a windmill !

No, R53, I am pointing out the fact that, in true right wing fashion, you twist an ideology to your own purpose. In days past, you would have talked about Jew Bolsheviks.

That's a fucking tragedy. The idea of making something "healthy" is a colonial concept to begin with. Health fads disproportionately are uneconomical to POC. This is just another attempt to white wash culture.

Interesting video describing the history of Chinese restaurants in the US...

This is tragic. The concept of "healthy food" is a colonial one itself. Health fads disproportionately are uneconomical to POC.

[quote]The part seemed a little racist ...

Compared to the fact that Don Cheadle supports the mutilating of gay children, that was nothing.

[quote]This is tragic. The concept of "healthy food" is a colonial one itself. Health fads disproportionately are uneconomical to POC.

All carb-based diets are woo. ALL of them.

R73 is the antisemite here, just like Stalin.

[quote]The Chinese are the last people to complain about so-called “cultural appropriation” or imperialism when they are doing both in Africa right now.

Well, I doubt the people complaining about this restaurant are Chinese.

I see no problem with white people operating a Chinese restaurant, but the Lucky Lee's owners could have promoted their food as clean and healthy without throwing shade at other Chinese restaurants.

R55 who are they?

MSG hysteria is fueled by racism. It's a common additive found in many foods but only associated with "dirty" (or "unclean") Chinese food.

White folk making ersatz Chinese food that was invented by white folk. And people are mad because the white folk making fake Chinese food aren't respecting the non-existent Chinese culture of said fake food. Am I understanding this correctly?

R81, here.

“Cultural Appropriation” is the new Facism. It’s how bullies can bully and abuse others and justify it.

Jeez, another lunatic calling everything racism. Fact is, most Chinese restaurants regularly added MSG to their food as a common practice. It's now not as ubiquitous but still done often. It's prevelancy was common enough that many people would state "no msg" when ordering Chinese food. There is no association with msg and the food being dirty.

Yes, other restaurants would and still do use it as well, but it is not common practice as it was in Chinese food. I guarantee you there are far less diners, delis, sub shops, and pizzerias using msg than there are/ were Chinese restaurants.

Ridiculous how stating simple truths such as this are called out as racist by insane sjws like r82

[quote]There is no association with msg and the food being dirty.

Then why do the white people call their version "clean," which is suspect at best?

You're quite stupid, do you know that?

R85. Lmfao what? When a white girl is walking down the street, looking like a bozo and wearing cornrows while being COMPLETELY unaware of their cultural significance and the stigma that very hairstyle has on black and POC women, she should be fucking told off!

Damn. I feel so guilty. I had Egg Foo Young for dinner last night. I am neither an egg producing chicken or young. Double fail. Perhaps triple, although I did see the movie To Wong Foo ...

The truth is that most Asians are too busy doing things like studying and getting ahead in life to be bothered with ridiculous things like bogus cultural appropriation claims.

Dictionary.com: Cultural appropriation is a word that’s still used in academia to discuss the practice as it exists in a theoretical framework. Academic works tend to deal with its morality and any issues that arise out of the practice, especially on a wider, more global level. It also deals with race relations in regards to power imbalances from the aftermath of aggressive colonialism.

As a tool in the social-justice arsenal, people use the term cultural appropriation critically and prescriptively, choosing to label the behavior of others as being culturally appropriative. The term itself is often present in circles dedicated to social justice as a means of starting a dialogue and talking about why an action someone did was wrong. This often happens when a celebrity or a piece of media is found to have culturally-offensive content. The offending party is called out by others in an attempt to get them to acknowledge it, but to also allow bystanders to learn from it. The ultimate goal is to raise awareness and to prevent future, similar instances of the behavior.

Because of the more recent misuse of the term, counter-critics may use the term mockingly, thinking it too politically correct and that SJWs (social-justice warriors) use it for everything. For example, one such critic says “Attention Social Justice Warriors: Please Stop Writing! It’s Cultural Appropriation!” They state that the Sumerians first invented writing and, therefore, it belonged to them, making every modern person guilty of cultural appropriation. This speaks to their belief that activists overuse and overextend the word. One argument is that not sharing cultures and experiences begets less understanding and appreciation for them.

You know what I'm truly sick of? Reacting to one zealot, conservative, liberal or progressive, as though it's a movement. UGH!

Wait r90, are you Asian? If not how dare you appropriate an argument that only Asians are allowed to make! And how dare you stereotype Asians by claiming they are studious and successful! Off with your head!!!!

I'm Asian, R93.

R94 Leave.

I’m sorry but I’ve given Chinese restaurants a wide berth because I haven’t been to one that wasn’t nasty behind the dining area. And sometimes the dumplings smell like wet dogs...what is that about?

The fool at r82 and r87 has never heard of the term clean eating or clean food which refers to healthy minimally processed food with no additives.

He/ she also cries racism on the part of others but states "the white people" when referring to one specific set of restaurant owners.

Lastly, he/she ignores the fact that Chinese restaurant food is objectively much more likely to contain msg than other restaurants, falsely claiming that this is merely racist hysteria.

It's true--Chinese food tastes wonderful but does make me feel icky afterwards. I just assumed it was the soy sauce

R88, like I said, it’s a justification for bullies to abuse others. There is no law in the USA that says White women cannot wear their hair any way they wish. Same with Black women having their hair dyed blonde and wearing weaves. Same with Asians surgically changing the shape of their eyes to resemble Caucasian.. It’s a free country. But some want to bully others for their choices.

R99 It's not about bullying, it's about not being a culture vulture. People like you are the reason POC are scared to leave their homes.

The whole cultural appropriation bullshit thing is annoying. No, don't wear a Chinese wedding dress to church or anywhere unless you're Chinese and getting married, or jewelry items that have actual cultural meaning for a particular group (I see you, K trash), but braids? Come on....they are not exclusive to any one culture. My fellow soldiers used to put corn rows in my hair when we were in the field, training, and no one blinked an eye. I kept them because they were attractive on me and I liked them. People need to grow the hell up and point to real injustice, not a hairstyle.

Right r99, plus the bully who stated this also purports to be a mind reader, stating that said white woman in cornrows is "completely unaware" of their significance yada yada yada... how could one possibly know what some complete stranger thinks or knows.

Ironically he/she talks about people of color being afraid to leave their house because of you (why that would be I have no idea) when he has just stated he will VERBALLY ATTACK a white person in corn rows on the street because they "deserve it". Plus he makes no mention of all the POCs wearing blonde wigs, which is, of course, perfectly acceptable.

The people putting those corn rows on my white ass head were my sisters in arms and they were WOC.....they suggested it! It was the 80's, and we weren't worried about that shit then. No one was. We were equals, in the USARMY, and we all knew why we were there. Poverty doesn't discriminate or scream cultural appropriation when you see yuppies in the Goodwill buying up all the designer jeans donated to the 'poor.'

This whole country has gone fucking crazy with this bullshit while kids are killed in schools, fentanyl is imported by the case from China for new addictions, and doctors no longer heal people but run up the bills. Crazy is as crazy does.

Cultural Appropriation SJWs do not respect the rights of individuals to their own bodies.

Sum Ting Wong?

Miss Chrissy tell me put much MSG in her water, coffee, tea, everything. She say I understand why because I Asian but I know why: she fatass.

[quote]I recently watched that episode [R68]. I'm not a SJW but it surprised me Margaret Cho appeared in it. The part seemed a little racist ...

It wasn’t then.

It’s not like now where we all walk around with sticks up our ass looking for anything to offend us and making sure that people use the oh-so-correct language that we want. Sometimes we laugh at ourselves. Did you not think Margaret was an adult then and could’ve been just fine poking fun, considering that was half of her stand up act anyway, poking fun at her own culture?

YELP have blocked the YELP page

don't know if the food is good or not, but hope these owners persevere. I suppose if the SJW's are really mad they could protest outside and scare customers away but how committed does one have to be to the "cause" to do that?

r43, you're calling for "retaliatory genocide"? Two genocides make a right? That's fucked up.

Could this album cover be released today?

Chinese food has been appropriated by all kinds of people, they even have a shitty version of it in Trinidad.

They hate gay people there, go whine to them about their shitty Chinese food.

[quote]The truth is that most Asians are too busy doing things like studying and getting ahead in life to be bothered with ridiculous things like bogus cultural appropriation claims.

I didn't know that all Asian people were Chinese.

Is it really Chinese food without the hostile staff?

[quote]This is tragic. The concept of "healthy food" is a colonial one itself. Health fads disproportionately are uneconomical to POC.

They're not cheap for anyone, Vick.

I guess only white people can appropriate, because they have all the privilege.

This is the era we live in--fucking tedious minutiae about shit that doesn't matter.

Dont care if its cultural appropriation or not but american chinese food without grease, msg, oyster sauce and tons of sugar made with free range chickens aint american chinese food, they just took out the joy of american chinese food. I bet the food tastes like shredded paper..

Jews need somewhere to eat on Christmas

Given the education level of most DLers, I'm going to assume the vast majority probably get their Chinese food for those dollar Chinese restaurants and a "step up" might be Panda Express. China is a very large country about the size of the U.S. Clearly, some of you are smart enough to to realize that Chinese food is VERY varied in taste and ingredients just like in the U.S. Or Italy or France. So to the idiot that said authentic or inauthentic Chinese is terrible please let me know what Chinese food you've tried. And to the other idiot who was comparing Chinese food to Vietnamese food, I doubt you know the difference. Stick to you chicken mc nuggets please.

I am going to eat there tomorrow.

I love General Tso's chicken but never allow myself to have it. Anytime I can find a healthy version, I'm all over it.

[quote]you're calling for "retaliatory genocide"? Two genocides make a right? That's fucked up.

Haiti is still paying for their misdeeds. It wasn’t a shithole before the French turned it into one with their exploitation. The best thing about the French is that they’re not German. The best thing about the Germans is that they’re not Italian. The best thing about Italians is that Israel is on the other side of the Mediterranean.

Europe is just Asia’s foreskin anyway.

Apparently Lucky Lee's was originally to be called Sum Ting Wong.

Don't stalk white guys, R123.

And yet Sandwiches are a white guys invention, but every colour of the rainbow owns a Subway.....get over it!

Gonna go look through comments by old black woman with asian sockpuppets ...

R8 because of your liver enzymes. Really interesting anecdote.

R54 WW to the 10th power 💠

"No one owns friend rice. "

Doesn't the friend own it?

MSG is a natural substance found in tomatoes.

R90, "studying", huh? Dead giveaway

Well, found it!

R93...black as coal

@R94

The use of the word "studying" is commonly used by lower eschelon blacks of a certain age.

R127 found the prize at this DL game. Like clockwork

R96 because black people refer to a lot of foreign demographics of smelling like dog. That and the use of lady for woman with 'studying' for attending class. Dead giveaway.

R38 were you at Lucky Lee's?

I am so hungry for Ma Po Tofu right now. And fried rice, and beef with broccoli, the homemade kind with oyster sauce. Thanks a lot!! Must have a spring roll....a good one, NOW!

The language used by the owners marketing this restaurant is stupid. It comes across as racist and patronising. There’s no need for any of that - whoever wrote the copy isn’t good at their job. Whole controversy could have easily been avoided, while still getting the ‘healthier’ point across - less salt, less fat, no msg - than most takeout or restaurant food has.

There’s a small chain of Mexican fast food places that have opened here in Oz - and their whole spiel is that Mexican food doesn’t have to be unhealthy. What they mean - is Mexican takeout - which in Australia IS disgusting. Don’t ever bother trying it if you visit! It’s just meat mush, chicken mush, fish mush or bean mush - in various oily, salty combos! - least common denominator garbage made on the cheap. Whereas actual Mexican cuisine is far more than that - it’s glorious! And this chain here is trying to cut the mushy, oily, salty garbage and instead have lots of fresh ingredients. It tastes much better than the other Mexican on offer here - tho not convinced it’s terribly ‘authentic’ - and no one yet has complained about how it’s marketed. Possibly we have too small and not very vocal a population of Mexican/South Americans here...

It’s funny too that so many people say the food we get in the West isn’t ‘real’ Chinese food. China is huge - and with so many regions there are a multitude of styles - and within each region you can bet that what the rural people eat isn’t the same as those in urban areas - especially the wealthy ones. Years ago I remember a teacher telling our class that the Chinese food we ate here in the West was more ‘party food’ - stuff the affluent would eat when out. And I think he had a point. When I’ve been to HK and in a couple of Chinese cities - the stuff on offer at many of the restaurants there wasn’t dissimilar to the fare on offer in Chinese restaurants in the Oz capitals. And everywhere I’ve eaten yumcha/dim sum - be it chinatown in San Francisco - surrounded by Chinese Americans - or in HK, Macau, Singapore, NYC, Auckland, here in Oz - and in China! - the similarities of the dishes on offer were more striking than any differences. Stuff tended to be nicer and better presented, with more exotic ingredients in the upmarket restaurants - but it all was essentially much of a muchness. Generally, if you’re eating in a cafe or restaurant in a city somewhere - you ain’t getting what rural workers in the provinces eat. Does that mean it’s somehow less ‘authentic’?

Please NYC DLers, go eat at this restaurant to help them.

When whites try not to be racist, they come off as even more racist than before.

But, R37, what one needs to know: do you wear aussie bums? Or do that pull-up thingy? A thong thingy?

^^^R137, that is.

A low-carb Chinese restaurant would make millions.

[quote]Some people are highly sensitive to MSG

This has never been proven. Its a Frau tail. Every time they do a double blind study of people who say MSG gives them a bad reaction, they always pick the wrong one with no MSG and state they had a reaction. And conversely, the other control group who actually get the blind sample with MSG suddenly have no reaction. Basically it was and is all in their head.

Thats the thing that's great about double blind studies. It weeds out the false assumptions people make who never challenge their own beliefs.

Oh Please, most Chinese food in America was invented in America anyway.

Fortune Cookies

Chop Suey

General Tso's Chicken

Beef and Broccoli

Deep Fried Egg Rolls

Won Ton Strips

Crispy Fried Noodle

R114 is too stupid to live.

Even the quote you cited doesn’t back up your contention.

[quote]Some people are highly sensitive to MSG

[quote]This has never been proven. Its a Frau tail.

OK, gay male (or should I say mail?) Frau here, with his "tail".

It makes me feel ill. Makes me feel achey, disorientated and tired. The first time I experienced this was when I was 7 years old , in 1970, at a Chinese restaurant in a small town in England...my whole family felt it.

"Why do I feel so strange, Mummy?"

Trouble was, Mummy felt it too.

To this day I can see my whole family packed into her little Mini in front of the restaurant - aching, spacing...general feelings of major ickiness. God knows how we got home.

Tell that to your "double blind study" group.

(I think it was my father who identified the problem. He'd been to Hong Kong).

To this day, anytime I go to a Chinese restaurant I always say "No, MSG".

and to the idiots on here who say the food tastes better with it - I wonder how packed with chemicals their daily fucking diet is.

and to the Americans round here who sneer at English food - at least it doesn't make you feel like you've been hit on the head with a baseball bat. Because fast and not so fast food in America is full of chemicals.

Can’t wait to try Patti LaBelle’s new line of frozen Chinese food

R146 couldn’t possibly haven’t gotten a bad batch of something or an undercooked something and got sick from that, right?

So you AND your whole family have MSG allergies?

[quote][R146] couldn’t possibly haven’t gotten a bad batch of something or an undercooked something and got sick from that, right?

No, because it felt like a chemical reaction. What you're describing doesn't make one feel "aching, spacing...general feelings of major ickiness".

[quote]So you AND your whole family have MSG allergies?

NOT allergies exactly. We were sensitive to it.

On reflection, they must have used a ton of the stuff.

But you know all this, you're just stoking the fire.

If you love chemicals in your food that's your prerogative.

R144 what about us?

Studying😂

Ever notice how all the most fattening foods are white? Sugar is white. Flour is white. Rice is white. Pasta is, for all intents and purposes, white.

R152 😅

r123, attempting to justify calling for "retaliatory genocide" with nonsensical blathering.

virtually all the cooks at Panda Express here in LA are mexican

The best thing about the rest of us is that we're not you, r123.

Most Chinese restaurants where I live already offer healthier menu options, such as steamed chicken with mixed vegetables, steamed seafood with mixed vegetables, etc... I believe some of them use a corn starch/garlic based sauce on the dishes.

I don't mind MSG, and I think the "allergy" type of hype is BS. But I do have an aversion to it taste-wise if too much is used. It's no different than over-salting something. If you weren't raised eating MSG laden food on a regular basis, it's going to stand out more when you do once in a while.

Also, I think it's rather pointless to even request "no MSG" when ordering Chinese food, particularly take out. It's already in the broths and sauces and rice. They're not re-making all that stuff from scratch just for *your* "special order. It seems almost like a placebo effect for people requesting that. That's like ordering a sausage and pepper sandwich and special requesting "no fennel seeds" in it.

What all these dumb assholes claiming to be allergic to MSG is that they don't realize MSG was/ is in Campbell's soups and other American convenience foods yet strangely enough they're eating all that shit without any problems. It's only when it's in Chinese food that they've all of a sudden have "sensitivity". MSG is naturally occurring in foods and in particular abundance in such foods as seaweed, tomatoes, and aged cheese. Certain cuisines emphasize umami flavors, Japan developed MSG seasoning in the early 20th Century and popularized its use in Japan and East Asia. So if you're wanting epidemiological proof that MSG is safe, look no further than Japan, they've been using MSG since the 1930s and onwards.

Here are some science debunking "MSG is bad/ poison" myth.

[quote]What all these dumb assholes claiming to be allergic to MSG

Nothing DUMB about having a reaction to a chemical.

God, people really seem to love their chemicals on here. Very American, I guess.

Hey, I'm AMERICAN and I love chemicals in my food. Stuff like MSG. Makes my Chinese food taste GREAT! People who don't like it are dumb assholes!

Video about the Lucky Lee fiasco >>

Oh! My puffy EYES!

To the SJW twat in R161's link who objected to the restaurant's advertising " Clean," because it intimated that other Chinese restaurants are dirty, read this, you stupid twat.

Where's all the outrage at Chinese owned restaurants due to their 2000 yr history of female infanticide?

Fuck all them baby killers.

Fuck muricans with dirty cucumbers

I hear you r146 and even you, r158. MSG is a puzzler - but I think certain individuals can be sensitive to it.

My partner suffered from migraines all his life. As a child, they were frequent and severe when he lived with his Mom, and all but disappeared when he lived with his Grandma. Some of that can be explained by his stress and unhappiness when living with his abusive Mother, but she fed him nothing but chemical-laden convenience food/fast food, as well. When living with his Grandma, nothing but plain whole foods made from scratch and seasoned simply.

When we got together, we were poor college students. So not much eating out, no packaged anything. We made everything from scratch, no canned soup, no box mixes, no nothing. On the rare occasions we ate chinese food, or some other fast food - KFC was a bad one, too (mid 80s -nobody knew/cared about MSG then) he would get a migraine. People started to talk about MSG, and we even mentioned it to his Doctor, who told us it a myth, but hey, if it works for him to control migraines, knock yourself out. He was having about 6 a year back then.

I bought Ramen noodles once when they came out in the late 80s because they were so cheap. I ate one package, he ate two, and got dizzy, had trouble breathing, and a three-day-migraine. Checked the package, yup. MSG. Never bought or ate them again. So we started checking ingredients of everything we bought and if it had MSG, back on the shelf it went, and he always went for plain dishes when eating out. Steak or seafood.

After we started doing that, his migraines shrunk down to 2 or 3 a year. I never had a problem with MSG - but I figured, less chemicals/additives in my food, the better.

Health food is a scam perpetrated by greedy white people.

I went to Panda Express once for lunch and though it was so delicious and flavorful! By about 3pm at my desk I thought I was having a seizure. It was scary and my coworker made me drink tons of water to "flush" it out!

Remember years ago having a Vietnamese meal at a restaurant in Berlin - owned by a gay Berliner bear and his viet boyfriend. Food was great! Was chatting to them afterwards and they said they were really struggling to get much German clientele - they didn’t use MSG in their food - and so many of the German customers criticised their food as not tasting ‘asian’ enough! Plenty of tourists and experienced travellers loved it tho - so I guess it’s what you’re used to and your own expectations.

I wouldn't patronize some lame SJW restaurant that advertising "clean" food.

Yes, r159, the Brits are known for their healthy eating habits. FOH.

[quote]Yes, [R159], the Brits are known for their healthy eating habits. FOH.

Known or not, the Americans pack their food with chemicals and preservatives. It's beyond ICKY.

and OMG those "FANTASTIC NOO YAWK pizza places" - they could burn a hole through the roof of your mouth with their preservatives. FOUL.

I think Lucky Lee's is going to be fine. New Yorkers are more sensible than this.

I went to try it for lunch yesterday around 2:30, and they were so busy they'd sold out of most of the menu and had to close early.

Two couples ahead of me said they had come by specifically to show their support.

That makes me very happy R174-- thanks of the update.

Any New Yorkers remember Gobo or Zen Palate? Those places were around forever. I'm not vegetarian but ate Zen Palate at least once a week, it was so damn good.

I don't recall the ethnicity of the owners, but I remember them being quite free about trumpeting the concept of "healthy Chinese" or "healthy Asian" food in their marketing.

Anyway, they've been gone for years, but I just discovered that veterans of both joints have opened this place, which makes my day.

r269, you would be pleased to know that healthy vegan Vietnamese restaurants are flourishing in P-Berg, Berlin as of last year. Hope one of them was the one you went to.

Damn near nothing that is sold as "Chinese" is actually chinese cuisene. It's slave labor food, invented by Chinese laborers working on the Transcontinental railroad. When you go to China, there's a lot of different foods to try (and give up your racist jokes before you even start). But the sugar, soy sauce and MSG soaked crap you get here?

Not actual Chinese food. It's ... cultural appropriation invented during the period Americans enslaved ethnic Chinese to build our railroad system. So shut up about appropriation. We appropriated *them*

[quote]The truth is that most Asians are too busy doing things like studying and getting ahead in life

Too busy trying to please their parents, more like.

I love that people are so convinced that MSG has an effect on them when the whole MSG Syndrome was created as a hoax. (This American Life told the whole story a few weeks ago.(

What are the odds that a piece of fake news that specific would turn out to be actually true?

Yes, exactly.

Um, I was diagnosed - with actual tests and all that sciency shit some years ago. Not too interested in what some TV show has to say. Like quite a few people, I am allergic to MSG and it's a trigger for seizures and migraines. I'm sorry this conflicts with what you want to believe.

R269 - hope so! That tip to Berlin was well over a decade ago - are some great things! - but simple, light vegetable based offerings were not that common!

Also went to a vegetarian restaurant in Vienna on that trip - it touted itself as the only veggo place in Vienna! - had a seventies/eighties Moosewood vibe - but EVERYONE there was smoking! It was horrible - are quickly and skipped dessert and got out as everyone started to light up. They were all knocking back enormous quantities of red wine too - competition levels! - I guess they were vegetarians for compassionate reasons rather than healthwise? ;)

There hasn't been a community, a culture or a nation in the history of mankind that hasn't exchanged ideas, customs and aesthetics in the efforts of promoting understanding, tolerance and peaceful co-existence among groups. It's only these latter-day SJWs who see themselves as victims----and how sad is that? Inevitably, they'll realize that no one corners the market on suffering and everybody dies.

R181, I am baffled how you can have been tested for MSG sensitivity since there is no medical test for it. Either your doctor misled you or you are misleading us.

There is no scientific evidence of any MSG sensitivity. No study has conclusively shown that it exists.

There might actually be MSG sensitivity. A lack of evidence is not proof that it does not exist. But there is no test for a doctor to administer that would detect this sensitivity. There is no test. So what was administered to you?

I myself have not seen any television treatment of this. Perhaps, (if it is more real than the MSG allergy test), you can link it. However, the This American Life story linked above investigate the doctor who first described Chinese Restaurant Syndrome in a medical journal. He did it for a bet. It was a joke and the doctor was later horrified that it got taken seriously.

Ha, r182, I coincidentally went to a really terrific Vietnamese place in Vienna. No smoking, but impossibly one of the best Vietnamese meals that I've had anywhere.

R184. Glutamate Assay, idiot. Quit getting your medical information from television shows.

Isn't this just like any old "Fusion (Asian) Cuisine" places out on the West Coast?

Do people in China really eat yak parts?

This doesn't sound like MSG is harmless and has no effect on people. It specifically mentions a double-blind study that shows MSG causing headaches in sensitive individuals.

And worse.

[quote]I went to Panda Express once for lunch and though it was so delicious and flavorful! By about 3pm at my desk I thought I was having a seizure. It was scary and my coworker made me drink tons of water to "flush" it out!

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

"Too busy trying to please their parents, more like."

As opposed to white parents who are to busy trying to please their children.

^ too

R189, did you read the article? Did you read the cited articles?

They all say that MSG does not have a documented effect on humans (except for maybe on man in India who got endema of the uvula--though that might have been from some other ingredient).

MSG + dairy grow the perfect morgellons fibers necessary for creating undetectable counterfeit currency "paper". North Korea works with JPMorgan Chase at their large concentration camps to print several billion in counterfeit a year.

[quote]Um, I was diagnosed - with actual tests

Oh, we KNOW you've been diagnosed.....

In other news, can you IMAGINE the level of horror and outrage of "cultural appropriation" it takes to eat and enjoy a meatball hero!???

[quote]Oh, we KNOW you've been diagnosed.....

Uh-oh "WE" trolling.

NEVER respond to a "we" troll.

r172, Brits eat blood sausage. Again--FOH.

What does FOH mean?

I've never even heard of blood sausage..

R198, FOH means “Fuck Outta Here!”

It’s an abbreviation that basically means an incredulous “get the fuck out of here!”

Zen Palate was atrocious! Nom Wah Tea Parlor, Wo Hop, etc. Zen Palate was for desiccated joyless CUNTS.

R193, Did you actually read the link, because it says this:

" In a study that explored negative dietary effects of MSG, double blind and placebo-controlled trails were performed in which the administration of MSG, doses ranging from 57 to 150 mg/kg, was compared with the administration of a dose of 24 mg/kg NaCl. MSG as well as NaCl administration resulted in muscle pain and/or changes in mechanical sensitivity. MSG administration however was also associated with headache and tenderness of the pericranial muscles. Furthermore, administration of a high dose of more than 75 mg/kg MSG significantly elevated systolic blood pressure (Obayashi and Nagamura, 2016[12]; Shimada et al., 2015[17]). It is not well understood if MSG is correlated with complex cases of CRS (Kazmi et al., 2017[6]).

This, in turn, links to an analysis of the human studies--that analysis doesn't conclude that there's no indication of harm, but that the studies had issues with how they were conducted and that further studies were needed.

MSG's not in the clear, in other words.

R201 if you read the works cited in the paragraph you quote, all but one say that there is no proof of correlation. (Except for the case of one man in India, which does not seem conclusive.) In fact the papers cited contradict the paragraph in which they are cited. The finding they report in Obayashi and Nagamura is not anything like what is found in the original paper.

This kind of incompetence or dishonest interpretation is too easy for this kind of low level source. This is one reason it is best to look at legit, peer-reviewed journals rather than sites set up to help desperate scholars behind on their tenure file.

And the person who posted that link was clearly lying. He claimed to have been diagnosed with MSG sensitivity after being tested. But even such sensitivity exists, there is currently no scientific test for such sensitivity and no such diagnosis available to doctors.

As I said earlier, MSG sensitivity may be real. But at present there is no scientific evidence that it exists.

And since the idea of MSG sensitivity was created as a joke, it would be an amazing coincidence if it actually turned out to exist.

R196. Nope. It’s just a frau in training (FIT).

Who are these freaks who like eating chemicals in their food?

And shriek at and insult at people for saying they make them feel unwell?

OMIGAD! - they make the food taste so fuckin' good! Any food that needs chemicals to taste better is shit food.

R202, you're basically fudging here--you wanted peer-reviewed, I showed peer-reviewed. You dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with you.

There may not be conclusive evidence, but there's some evidence. If you're going to play scientist, you're going to have to do better than this.

In other words, it's become fashionable to "debunk" the MSG "myth" and throw out some accusations of racism while you're at it, but the debunking doesn't really address what's out there. Certainly, it's not the first time there's been an attempt to use science to dismiss people's experience--i.e. PMS was considered to be psychosomatic for years thanks, in part, to Freud.

I'd have been more impressed if you'd noted that there's a ton of salt in a lot of American-Chinese food and that can lead to some of the symptoms people associate with MSG.

[quote]In a study that explored negative dietary effects of MSG, double blind and placebo-controlled trails were performed

Personally, I wouldn’t trust any publication that doesn’t know the difference between a TRIAL and a TRAIL.

MSG is used liberally in East Asian cooking. In Japan, restaurants but little bottles on the table, like salt.

How is it different than salt or pepper or any other seasoning?

Apparently it causes acute headaches, r208.

I'm all for white chinese. Asians gross me the fuck out. I'm a latino. I can say that. And I know for a FACT they cook dog, cat, rat, possum, and anything else they find to serve you. They don't give a fuck. I grew up with their nasty breath asses in NYC.

R205, again, read the articles cited. Where is the data?

It is fashionable to cite this as racism since there is no data. If there is no science backing this up, and the original hoax in the New England Journal of Medicine contains racist humor, then it is not beyond the pale to think that racism might have a role.

There is more evidence of racism than of an actual medical condition.

R210 = troll.

^^^I'm not a troll. It's fucking true.

I think MSG Syndrome advocates are the new Climate Change Deniers.

[quote]If you love chemicals in your food that's your prerogative.

MSG is not a chemical anymore than salt. In fact its made from seaweed. Are you allergic to the ocean?

There is no way your whole family can be allergic to MSG. I am with the other post, most likely you got food poising from something else.

And hate to burst your bubble, but when you ask no MSG in your food, I guarantee you its still in there. They just nod their head and say yes no MSG. But in reality, like most restaurants, they cook things in big batches and the MSG is already in there. Its not "some chemical" they add at the end.

Correlation is not Causation - Just because you got sick at a Chinese restaurant does not mean MSG is the cause. Maybe someone didn't wash their hands, maybe some of the food had mold, or pesticides. Maybe it was the high salt Soy Sauce. Could be anything.

[quote]I am with the other post, most likely you got food poising from something else.

OK - you go sit over there with him then

and I know perfectly well the difference between food poisoning and a reaction to MSG.

[quote]I think MSG Syndrome advocates are the new Climate Change Deniers.

You have that analogy completely backwards. Climate change Deniers cant accept facts and science, they stick to what they have always known. MSG phobic Fraus cant accept science proving it does not cause health problems. Again, they stick with folk lore from what they have always known.

How is your Fibromyalgia R216? Did the MSG cause that too?

I snarked that this "chemicals in food!!" Frau is likely all about the morgellons. R194

Gordon Ramsey feeling the heat.

R217, You can't prove a negative. If you're going to claim to be pro-science, you need to understand the basics.

No one is trying to prove a negative R221. With a double blind study, what you are trying to prove is that some people who claim to get sick from MSG actually get sick when given MSG. Since all the people who claimed they normally get sick from it, didn't even have MSG in their food sample, it proved it was all in their heads. To drive the point home, the other group who actually did get MSG in their food without knowing it had zero problems.

R202 You're just a lying fuck. You're not a doctor. You're just cunt who posts shit from some website and then shitposts all over everybody else. So, take your' stormtrooper 4chan shit and fuck off. Better yet - swallow a whole bottle of Accent and tell tell us how safe it was a week later.

Now run off and play. We're bored with your antics.

You dont have to be a doctor to know someone is lying when they say they have proof no other doctor or scientific study can support. OP is full of shit and has been called out on it.

Holy cow MSG guys! Go get a thread! It’s like the pasta drainers - only more self righteous! Sheesh!

R185 - funny you should say you had the fab Vietnamese meal in Vienna!

One of the standout meals there for us was - Chinese!

We’d been doing the museum thang - and there was one called something like the museum of the Royal Wardrobe - and who doesn’t wanna see inside a Royal closet? It was fascinating behind the scenes stuff - and at the end - the museum restaurant was in this incredible setting - some old 1920s Viennese restaurant was in a building that had been redeveloped - and the heritage interiors had been transferred to the museum as their cafe/restaurant. The most gorgeous highly lacquered deco chinoiserie - really beautiful!

Didn’t know what to expect of the food - but apparently some Chinese family were rubbing it at the time - and it was fantastic! (Tho I cannot for the life of me vouch that msg wasn’t involved).

Anyway - such a great surprise after all the dinner-plate sized schnitzels and boiled beef that seemed to be ubiquitous! Really unexpected.

[quote]Didn’t know what to expect of the food - but apparently some Chinese family were rubbing it at the time

Oh my. Did you watch?

R225 I simply MUST go to that restaurant.

I just came in my briefs imagining "highly lacquered deco chinoiserie" in deep Vienna.

"apparently some Chinese family were rubbing it at the time"

Were they making Cream of Sum Yung Gai?

R226 - lol! Running it not rubbing it! Me bad! Thought I’d checked for typos - sorry!

R227 - it was years ago! Expect the interior is still there - and it was amazing! Dunno if the same people are still likely to be running it tho? Be awful to think that whoever is cooking there isn’t doing well by the setting - it really was gorgeous!

The museum itself was amazing too - it’s where the various palaces’ furniture goes to be spruced and renovated - and has been for a couple of centuries or so I gather. Each floor is jam-packed with antique stuff in various stages of repair. So one floor will be chairs & footstools say - and everywhere - literally floor to ceiling - every bit of space is crammed full of chairs - extraordinary! Like they’re all dime a dozen - chairs for days! It’s not quite the warehouse scene at the end of Raiders if the Lost Ark - but it did give me a feel of that...

Glad you have a good sense of humor, r229. It’s all in good fun (to me).

R230 - it was a pretty funny typo after all ;)

I’ve googled - and this is definitely the museum! But it’s been almost twenty years since I was there - and no mention now of that incredible interior - and their cafe on the website looks to be fifties themed one now....

I’m wondering if they’ve moved the deco Chinese one to another site - it clearly was a valuable and precious object in its own right - but maybe too grand and intimidating for a restaurant cafe - where you want high turnover to help pay the bills? Will investigate further...