Treasons to Protect Our Assets (The Mueller Investigation Part 93)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

Treasons for Redemption (The Mueller Investigation Part 86) (March 1, 2019)

Treasons to Watch (The Mueller Investigation Part 87) (March 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88) (March 11, 2019)

Treasons I Have Veto Power (The Mueller Investigation Part 89) (March 18, 2019)

Treasons I've Submitted My Report (The Mueller Investigation Part 90) (March 22, 2019)

Treasons to Continue On (The Mueller Investigation Part 91) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons For a Barr Cover (The Mueller Investigation Part 92) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons to Protect Our Assets (The Mueller Investigation Part 93) (March 26, 2019)

So only Republican Senators can see the report? No democratic senators? Why can’t they meet with Barr.

Graham wants to redact the part about him recommending the dossier go to the FBI?

I am so freaking tired of 2 years of endless mindfucks, courtesy of Trump & Co. When will this end? And is there ONE decent Republican who will stand up against this traitor?

What a jip!

Dang it OP, if you gonna post a pic of a 🐢 turtle, please don't insult us using that ugly creature.

George Conway just wrote a damning article on Pres Bone Spurs.

Here it is-

R8, does Conway know that he’s married to Kellyanne? I don’t get it.

r10 Her pussy stinks and he knows it.

George and Kellyanne are building their brand for their inevitable book and FoxNews show.

Ignore Conway. What a useless person who is one of the last people who should be talking. I'd even bet he's paid to pretend to be bothered. He still sleeps next to the female version of the person he claims to hate. Think about it. He's married to one of the most horrible people in American history.

George is helping stack our courts with right-wing cranks and Trump lackeys. He himself is one of the worst people this country has ever produced.

To the poster in the last thread asking about claims the White House will see the report before it's made public---Lindsey told reporters he expected Barr to let the White House see the report so they could decide whether to claim executive privilege on some things and therefore scrub them out. Barr then told NBC of course he wasn't going to do that. He is working on releasing a version of the report.

Any press or Republican saying Barr is "releasing the report" is not being accurate. His plan is to release portions of the report with his own report about the Mueller report, and anyone who believes the White House hasn't already seen the Mueller report is a fool.

Haven't there been a few leakers in the WH? Not just that "anonymous" OP-ED, but leakers who gave out really good information? Maybe we won't even have to wait for a scrubbed version of the report if any of those leakers can get their hands on it.

Today Trump praised Barr for working fast.

That's a very interesting statement considering Trump toad Matt Schlapp tweeted this on Feb 14: "Tomorrow will be the first day that President Trump will have a fully operational confirmed Attorney General. Let that sink in. Mueller will be gone soon."

I might be ready to jump on the Barr shut down Mueller early train.

These morons are aware all their misdeeds will be revealed sooner or later. There is only so much corruption the executive branch can take before someone rats them all out one way or another. We don't have Putin/Saudi-eque secret police to silent people or journalists. Yet.

Nancy Pelosi had some choice words about Barr today.

Looks like Barr and Graham are doing the real obstructing now. Turn that fucking report over to Congress now, with neither of your dirty figerprints on it.

fingerprints^

Why isn't there an objection to Graham participating in the redaction?

I don't think we know Graham would be participating. He told reporters Barr was preparing to release his verion of the report and Graham said the White House would want to go through it first in case they wanted to remove anything citing executive privilege.

This sort of gave the game away, so Barr rang up somebody at NBC to say of course he would never let the White House do something like that.

I'm tellin' ya...just let these guys keep talking and talking.

When are deplorables going to realize that their own healthcare and social security are more important and closer to home than some border wall which will stop no one.

They can kiss the former goodbye.

In the last thread, R590 wrote:

[quote] I'm curious if the report reveals that they didn't have ENOUGH evidence YET and needed to continue the investigation to gather everything and because Barr pulled it, the report, according to Barr, couldn't produce enough to meet Barr's definition of a crime.

You are in good company. A very senior federal prosecutor -- someone who worked with Mueller decades ago -- asked me the same question a few hours ago when we were discussing the report. He thinks Mueller wrote that he did not have ENOUGH evidence to charge conspiracy because everyone stonewalled. Barr then turned that into "no evidence." But, Barr couldn't get away with that same nonsensical trick with obstruction, so he weasel-worded it into "cannot exonerate."

Report or no report, we all know that trump is a lying, cheating scumbag and will continue on that way.

Nothing is changed except now we're likely stuck with him for two more years and his behavior will get even worse. The lying scumbag is emboldened now and the idiocy and misdeeds will continue.

R18, we thought the crimes of the Bush administration would eventually come back to haunt them, but here we are all these years later and nothing. I'm not a big believer in the karmic justice of history.

Do they all seriously think they’re going to get away with all this shit? The entire cover-up is so obvious and shoddy. What’s next? They’re going to off Mueller so he can’t testify in front of Congress?

Not our of the question at this point r28. Don't push your luck.

our = out ^^

OK so what should they ask Mueller?

Were you given the opportunity to complete your mission?

Was Barr’s summary accurate?

Did they interfere?

What else?

I wouldn't waste much of his time asking about Barr's memo. We all know it was a stonewall. They should have him get into the meat of what evidence he had re collusion/conspiracy and obstruction; what he knew or found out re Jr, Ivanka and Kush, what cases he farmed out and how far along they were (if he's able to discuss that without endangering or affecting them).

[quote] They’re going to off Mueller so he can’t testify in front of Congress?

The programmer who was subpoenaed to testify about what really went on in the Bush/Kerry election died when the plane he was piloting crashed. He was warned at least twice about flying his plane because of possible sabotage. Anything is possible when dealing with the GOP.

R27 Bush while dumb as a rock, at least doesn't incriminate himself with his big fat mouth at every turn like the Dotard. How long can you keep protecting someone who is uncontrollably stupid and a pathological liar? Actually, the GOP's best hope for sweeping all this under the rug is for the Dotard to stroke out in office!

LOL at Trump people trying to shame media for covering Trump and Russia. He is a fat fuck who cheats on his wife. Screw your stupid judgements.

R34, I hope you're right. I dread the amount of destruction he's going cause on the way out.

After they smeared Hillary and made her out to be some kind of murderer, they got a lot of nerve.

The Republicans have lost the culture. A majority still thinks he obstructed justice.

Thanks for keeping the threads going, OP. Love Pelosi. whoever said not to trust the husband of Serena joy is on it.

They are dominionists. They believe they are ordained by god to rule over us. Very scary.

As if they are somehow superior to people because they read a special book?

The absurdity of it all.

Love Chris Cuomo telling Rudy he will never apologize for covering the news. The Trump people are out of it.

Good for Chris.

I can watch Cuomo only in10 second intervals. I’m glad he’s slammed Ghouliani.

GIULIANI: No, I don’t know better. I'm outraged by the behavior of these networks. Collusion, collusion, collusion, collusion, collusion, collusion. No collusion, Chris. No collusion.

CUOMO: Here's my case.

GIULIANI: Apologize.

CUOMO: Never. Here’s my case --

GIULIANI: Never?

CUOMO: Never, I didn't do anything wrong. These questions are real. They needed to be regarded as such.

In hindsight, media should have done a better job at explaining the exact actions that would prove criminal collusion. It was news to me that Mueller only looked at two possibllities: hacking or social media influence. What about coordination, flat out corruption or blackmail? This is why the report is being blocked IMHO. As for obstruction, that is a no brainer.

Rachel has questions. Fifteen questions, to be precise:

Oh I'm sorry. You're yet another troll telling us that Rachel made all this shit up? Go shove a gallon of borsht up your ass.

[quote[In hindsight, media should have done a better job at explaining the exact actions that would prove criminal collusion. It was news to me that Mueller only looked at two possibllities: hacking or social media influence. What about coordination, flat out corruption or blackmail? This is why the report is being blocked IMHO. As for obstruction, that is a no brainer.

So can't Congress call for another Special Investigation to look into the rest?

Venezuela is going to be Trump's Waterloo. He's had next to no real challenges in his two years, except crap he's brought upon himself. Russia is moving troops to V. to support Maduro, while Trump is set on overthrowing him. Guess how that's going to play out? If he makes Putin mad he'll release the kompromat he's compiled on Trump.

Once they are able to review it, yes. It may also be news to them that some investigations are ongoing. Creating a secret report on the Presdent is antiethical to justice.

So Mueller just took these assholes stonewalling, shrugged and forgot about it?

Are you fucking serious? What a joke! Subpoena the traitors and if they refuse to cooperate, waterboard the fuckers.

I'm over this bullshit. Either they talk or they can be tortured. I have plenty of good old medieval torture references and I will do it for fucking free.

The Twitter chatter is that Mueller's investigation was completely shut down by Barr.

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I hope the Democrats release something really damaging the day Trump starts his victory tour in Michigan (Thursday). Then he'll be trying to gloat through the flop sweat.

I already warned people NOT to put much faith in the Meuller Report. Too much was built around it. I still don't understand the concept of Friday Indictments or "Fuckery Fridays". It just was always meant to simply be a REPORT that would be handed to the AG. THat AG has been Bill Barr for a while. He was placed there ON PURPOSE! We knew all of this. I don't know why the Dems or us on DL or Pelosi are acting all surprised. If NP knew what to do, Mueller would already by testifying. This action would halt any Dump bragging and circumvented the fake repeal of ACA.

Alas, once again, we are left pissing in the wind. Don't say y'all haven't been warned. I pointed this out a long time ago and was called a Chicken Little. F.U. Whoever said that!

[quote]He's had next to no real challenges in his two years, except crap he's brought upon himself.

Puerto Rico was a pretty big challenge that he completely failed. He didn't even know it was part of the US! I hope the voters in Florida remember that.

R51, I don’t know if Barr shut it down, since the investigation is funded through September. But Barr could have asked for the report to be done by a specific date, so at least it looks like the entire investigation was shut down.

Mueller is back at work this week.

Graham operating as the go-between Trump/WH, Barr, Senate Republicans, and the media, is not ethical behavior. This is all cover-up activity.

I read some where that Mueller and the DOJ had many discussions about subpoenaing Trump to testify. Barr reported that the Special Counsel had not had any requests turned down. It sounds like Mueller wanted to subpoena Trump but was highly discouraged but apparently he didn't formally request it because he knew they would say no. Lots to see in this report.

I think the reason they're keeping the Mueller report secret is it includes a copy of the pee tapes.

On Morning Joe a few days ago I believe it was Meacham who stated inside sources had told him the Mueller Report p contains embarrassing info about Trump AND other politicians.

How can Dump legally refuse to be subpoenaed?

So much for checks and balances!

Miss Lindsey's latino rent boys at MaraLago spoke to Mueller under the condition of annonymity.

Rick Wilson:

Day 3 of "This report, which I will never, ever, ever release in any form that isn't redacted beyond use, totes exonerates me."

Protests in Columbia, SC at Lindsey Graham's office.

Bur, but, but, Miss Graham declares a "VERSION" of the report will be released in weeks.

Cover-up conspiracy?

Rusher If you’re listening release the report

A new biography of former First Lady Barbara Bush details her deep and prolonged distrust of Donald Trump and her bewilderment at his unlikely rise to the White House.

She apparently had a Trump Countdown clock that displayed how many days, hours, minutes, and seconds remained in Trump’s term – and it stayed on her bedside table or next to whatever chair she was sitting in until the day she died.

The countdown to Trump insulting a dead woman commences ...

R55, if Mueller is back at work, what is he doing?

Barr looks to be working for Trump, Republican politicians in high places and jobs, and of course big-time donors such the Kochs, Mercers, and Adelson.

Is Barr working for the American people? It appears he is just getting his paychecks plus benefits from them.

R67 Exactly! Who or what monitors Barr's finances and financial motivations?!

Barr hit the jackpot with Trump: center of attention, power, good pay, and regular flights on Air Force One to Marlago where he can stuff his face in the sun on Trump's dime.

R60 Trump wouldn't refuse the subpoena. He would assert the Fifth Amendment to every question. Thus, making his testimony worthless. Asserting the Fifth Amendment would be political suicide for any other president but Trump could have probably gotten away with it because he's Trump and normal rules don't seem to apply to him. Clinton had to undergo hours of questioning regarding the BJ he got from Lewenski (Monica not Cory) including even details about inserting a cigar in her VeJaJa.

Going to much like Barr in front of the House Judiciary Committee. He will assert all types of privilege and not answer any of their questions. The House needs to grow some balls and start holding some of these assholes in contempt and locking them up.

What about that meeting that Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Grassley came out of looking pale and shaken? What did they learn that was so horrifying and was it connected to Trump?

I just can’t believe they think they can get away with NOT telling the America people the full story of what happened here? I really wish someone would just say fuck it, and release the entire report for us all to see.

R70/R71

R66, that’s what I would like to know.

Maybe tying up loose ends? But why didn’t he do that before he submitted the report?

R72. Good point. What was it that horrified DiFi and Chuck G?

We'll see the Report. Someone's going to leak it. A matter of time.

R67, Mueller does not seem like that type of person. He was making good money as a private attorney and he left the position for a low paid government job.

I don’t know if Mueller is a “good guy” here or not, but he’s not the kind of person who is motivated by money.

[quote]What about that meeting that Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Grassley came out of looking pale and shaken? What did they learn that was so horrifying and was it connected to Trump?

Remember also that Maxine Waters was so pissed that she sputtered "They have no credibility!" before walking away in disgust.

Not treasonous but tasteless:

Trump has appointed Mike Huckabee and Jon Voigt to the board of trustees of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.

Look for Ted Nugent and Kid Rock to be among next year's Kennedy Center honorees.

Why can't they get the goods on McConnell? He is the most corrupt son of a bitch in Washington.

Can he do that. I thought Caroline Kennedy was in control of that

Remember when Clinton Attorney General Jane Reno received the sole copy of the Starr Report, and she released a four-page memo announcing that it showed President Clinton had committed no crimes?

And then she handed it over to Clinton and his lawyers, so they could redact anything they didn't want the world to see?

Yeah, neither do I.

Something stinks about this latest ploy by Barr and Trump. Mueller is still working. He has an active grand jury investigation going on, he has issued subpoenas, and there are sealed indictments. And Rosenstein? WTF. McCabe said "he's a survivor." Now I'm getting a greater appreciation of that. Rosenstein bends which ever way the wind blows. I'm almost convinced Barr put pressure on Mueller and this "report" is not the end of it. Mueller may have been pressured to "give me something, and then you can go back to work. " Mueller did something very uncharacteristic according to Jim Comey, by not making a decision about Trump on obstruction. Comey also said Barr was "inappropriate" for inserting himself into the obstruction discussion and making a decision that rightfully belongs to Congress. SoBArr saying he wouldn't prosecute Trump is an opinion.It's not the final word. Rachel kickedass last night andBArbara McQuade andJoyceVanceare not backing down. BArr is a partisan hack and he is totally tainted.

We already know there is a witness who has most likely SEEN the MUELLER REPORT... KenDilanian AT NBC was tipped off that Mueller was done 3 weeks ago...reports verify that Mueller told Barr and Rosenstein 3 weeks ago...

WHO IS THE SOURCE ? WHAT HAVE THEY SEEN ? WHAT DO THEY KNOW ?

Did anyone watch Lawrence ODonnell last night the Duetsche Bank was turning over financial records of Trump and what about the mystery company that had been fighting in court to not release their name or info????

I've said this before and I'll say this again: You are a genuinely stupid person if you think Trump is a "patriot." You are a genuinely stupid person if you think he wouldn't have sold secrets to the British during the Revolutionary War if he could make a "pound." He would've done business with the Bin Laden family on 9/11 while the site was still smoldering if he knew no one would find out. He attempted to do business in Cuba during the embargo. He has done business with the most loathsome mafia/mob types and has done so by skirting US law.

He has a short attention span and that's why he was never directly involved in meetings on his behalf. He lets others do the dirty work and he reaps the benefits. He has NO moral compass and no understanding of what sacrifice means. He's a dirtbag from Queens who learned to be a dirtbag at his father's knee. He is a damaged person in every way and if you worship him, you're fucking damaged, too. Even more so, because at least Trump only worships himself. And if your response is some nonsense about Hillary or Obama and "worshiping" them, then you only confirm how damaged you truly are. Fucking losers look at Trump and see him as anything other than the most repulsive type of person you could possibly be.

r84....theres a hearing today about releasing the company info.

Pressing WW for R85 is wholly inadequate to convey my level of agreement with his/her statement.

Trumps grandfather was a pimp. There is a lot of money in human trafficking and I’ll bet Trump is dealing in that also. He’ll do anything to make a buck.

When are the Dems going to start the subpoena cluster bombs?

I want subpoenas! I want answers! I want justice!

STOP calling it the Mueller Report.

So far all we have is the BARR cover letter.

His pandering job application was 8 pages longer.

DEMAND THE FULL MUELLER REPORT WITH SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS.

[quote]whoever said not to trust the husband of Serena joy is on it.

Are you talking about George Conway?

[quote]KenDilanian AT NBC was tipped off that Mueller was done 3 weeks ago...reports verify that Mueller told Barr and Rosenstein 3 weeks ago...

For which the DL "cognoscenti" called him a hack and a fraud, and burned him at the stake.

He is a hack and a fraud....and a white house ass licker.....where do you think his "tips" come from ?.....the point is SOMEONE LEAKED THAT MUELLER WAS DONE WITH HIS REPORT...AT THE SAME TIME MUELLER TOLD BARR AND ROSENSTEIN ABOUT IT....for something so confidential, IT LEAKED....either through the white house or the justice department. Someone saw that report in order to tell Dilanian. ...he only reports on what they tell him....like Maggie Habermann and Michael Schmidt.

Nobody had to actually see the report to leak that Mueller told Barr and Rosenstein it was coming, R93.

In order to know even that r94, they would have had to be privy to either the conversation about it OR the report....either way, they know what is in it. Bar and Rosenstein didnt go around announcing it to everyone at Justice.....its confidential, remember ?

Mueller: Hey, Bill and Rod, just giving you a call to tell you I'm wrapping up the report and should have it for you in about three weeks.

Barr: Hey, staff, the report is coming in about three weeks, we need to be prepared.

Barr Aide: Psst, Ken DIlanian, the report's going to drop in three weeks, give or take.

It looks like both Barr and Huckabee Sanders love four things more than they do Trump.

Thats not how Barr said it went down r96...he said Mueller met with them to discuss his findings and that he couldnt reach a decision on obstruction....it wasnt a call saying its on its way...someone knows.

r96.....

[quote] Mueller told Barr, Rosenstein 3 weeks ago he would not make decision on obstruction

Is that decision passed on to someone else?

[quote]Thats not how Barr said it went down

So now we're taking everything Barr says at face value?

Does Mueller have any concern for his legacy? I can’t see him being thrilled that the media is saying that he’s cleared Trump of all charges and think he’s “exonerated” (the new “collusion”).

Literally no one but Deplorables, R101.

Barr says it went to him to decide....but if Mueller laid out both the positive and negative along with evidence, he obviously was making a case for congress to determine if impeachment was in order....remember, both Barr and Rosenstein were briefed all along....Mueller wouldnt have needed to lay out a case if he wanted Barr to decide....he would have just met with them and asked what he wanted to do. Mueller also said he WOULDNT reach a conclusion and laid out the evidence....meaning it wasnt up to him, it should be up to Congress if any actions needed to be taken.

r101...its been confirmed they met, along with members of Muellers team, 3 weeks ago to discuss it. Barr echoed that.

R97, I know one thing Barr hates more than the truth: Toothbrushes!

I thought that Mueller was a three dimensional chess player. How did he not realize that Barr was going to run with this and pronounce Trump innocent of Obstruction of Justice?

The Mueller Grand Jury is apparently moving forward “most robustly.” Really?

Sorry, here’s the link.

Someone had a very good time recently in Mar-a-Lago.

So the Grand Jury was extended for six months, Barr was confirmed as AG and SURPRISE SURPRISE, Barr calls for Mueller's report.

Did Mueller realize he was giving the FINAL report or did BARR decide it was his final report.

When Mueller says he was inconclusive DID HE EXPECT TO CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION?

Well the Grand Jury is still cooking. Thanks R107

Remember there's still that sealed case involving an unknown company from another country that is being fined $50,000 a day for not cooperating and so far Mueller has won every piece of litigation against them

The mystery company is in court today to determine if their name and info should be released.

[quote]Barr says it went to him to decide....

According to who? Barr?

Because as far as I understand that's not how it normally plays out. It's usually always left to Congress to make a decision.

what's the difference between a Special Counsel and an Independent Counsel?

Big surprise.

[quote]Someone saw that report in order to tell Dilanian. ...he only reports on what they tell him....like Maggie Habermann and Michael Schmid

How do you think reporters get the info to report? Someone has to TELL them stuff!!!

And turns out, what he was told came to pass.

R114 $1 Billion to put lipstick on a pig!

[quote]The House needs to grow some balls and start holding some of these assholes in contempt and locking them up.

This^^. These are the times that test one's mettle. They are going to have the fight of their life on their hands, because as this past weekend showed there is no way Trump, FBB (Fat Bob Barr) or ANY of the Repub minions are going to release any damaging info without going down with the ship if needed. Any details from the report will have to be literally pried from their cold dead hands.

The citizens need to weigh in as well. One of the biggest counterweights for this administration is public uproar. There need to be coordinated efforts to protest and peacefully march if necessary, to make a show that they can't play keepaway with this report or other details of wrongdoing.

My hope is Mueller will be called to testify and clarify some things. However I'm worried that Barr may be able to 'muzzle' him and keep him from saying much to Congress - does anyone know to what extent Barr can control his testimony?

[quote] $1 Billion to put lipstick on a pig!

What's the old saying again?

I will keep harping on this until the day I die or until my Congressman gets so sick of hearing from me about it he either has me put away or answers me. MATT SCHLAPP, one of the worst Republicans to ever live, and that's saying something, whose wife works in the White House, tweeted on Feb 14 Mueller would soon be gone now that Barr had taken over. And he was. With seemingly a bunch of weird loose ends still dangling around.

And yesterday Trump thanks everyone who told him to hire Barr because boy...he DID work fast! What does that mean? Work fast how? Work fast on what?

I do not give one damn if Mueller had been wrapping up anyway. Somebody besides Ari Melber needs to question Schlapp. Haul his slimy fat ass into a hearing, put him under oath and question him about this. I don't care if that hearing only lasts five minutes.

And I don't care if he even was just guessing. He needs to answer for this. It looks like he knew Barr was going to stop the investigation. Put him under oath and make him prove otherwise.

Could be that he asked for a progress report.

Knowing that Mueller can’t comment, they try to pull it off as the final report?

The dudes still working.

This could be another trick.

Well clearly he knew that FBB was going to stop the investigation, we dont need hearings to get that confirmation. They will stonewall and not admit it anyway.

I'd rather that all energy at this point be marshaled toward getting a unredacted version of the Mueller report (and any other related reports or judicial details that are related to Trump investigations) into the hands of Congress, and then viewed by the public who paid for it.

Wouldn’t that be hilarious if it’s nowhere near over and they made it all up?

It could still be going on full steam for all we know. They can’t comment to the contrary.

I’m going to consider it Miller’s half-way report until we can see the whole thing.

r120 I thought of that too - was this supposed to be the FINAL final report, or just an interim report being passed off to the unwitting public as a "final" report - ? I know that Mueller was charged with writing a report, when he was hired/appointed as SC - but was it laid out that there would be only ONE report?

r121 I'll take the Schlapp watch ;) It seems like congressional Democrats are working methodically to get the report. Seems that way. I hope so.

It would be karmic justice if Barr told Mueller to wrap it up, and Mueller, seeing it as an obstructive act decided to set a trap....he said, sure, turned in a half baked report and waited to see them spin it....thereby snaring not only Trump and his cabal, but Barr as well. One can only speculate, but the news today id that Muellers grand jury is still VERY active. Grand juries are there to indict....if Mueller was finished, he would disband the grand jury....his open court cases have no need for them.....so what are they pursuing ?

Can Barr shut down that grand jury?

R127 And get deeper in obstructing justice? Sure, go right ahead. Double dare.

Republicans keep saying Democrats just want to take down Trump but that isn't true. Although I certainly want him out of office. But we still don't know what was going on with Jill Stein. She was at that dinner with Putin and Flynn. Are they going to hide that from us, too? Or did Mueller not even investigate that?

The look on Grassley and Feinstein's faces is something that sticks with me to this day. They heard/saw something that greatly upset them. They are both of a certain age where I image that they have seen lots of upsetting things but this was different. Grassley was so shaken that he couldn't even speak. Feinstein had to do all the speaking. For me, It was one of those moments when I knew something was up.

R130, maybe someone farted in the secure and windowless conference room during the briefing. We don’t know what happened. Indont knownif we will never hear the full truth about the 2016 election or Trump.

Barr doesn't seem concerned about things like that, r128. And why should he be? Trump and his minions break the law with inpunity. That's why I seriously wonder if Barr can shitcan Mueller's Grand Jury.

“Under the federal rules of criminal procedure, a grand jury is empaneled by a judge and can be discharged only by that judge (or another judge, in case the empaneling judge is removed from the case or is no longer on the bench).”

Bravo R85. And feeling so very sick to my stomach because for some reason, Trump has cast a spell over the people who think he is a great man who is doing great things for our country.

c'mon it's Wednesday we should be getting some kind of breaking story today.

Democrats cannot allow Trump, repubs and Fox "News" to continue the unverified narrative that he's been cleared from all wrongdoing

R135, I’m guessing we’ll know more by Friday. Stuff always happens before the weekend.

R136 I hope.

I knew this would happen but I checked the ratings for Monday's cable news shows...Fox was way up and Rachel fell to like #30 or something. Other MSNBC and CNN shows did even worse. We can't let Fox become the #1 "news" channel

6 house committees have demanded muellers evidence. I do trust Pelosi, but the Dems are slammed right now.

Judge Napalitano was on Fox, and stated several times that the Mueller report was 700 pages long with over 2 million pieces of evidence....how did Barr analyze that in 48 hours ?

The cover up is always worse than the crime.

[quote]the Mueller report was 700 pages long with over 2 million pieces of evidence

How does Napolitano know this?

R139 Barr already had his "conclusion" when he was confirmed, so why would he need to look at anything? His mission is to cover up for the criminal and nothing else matters one bit.

r141...hes one of Trumps legal consultants....and Barrs son work as white house counsel. Do you think for one second that the white house is completely clueless about the report and its contents ?

How can McConnell just block anything he wants, can't someone stop him at all?

It's McConnell's job to be a professional / political asshole.

Speaking of McConnell, here's Matty Yglesias:

Has anyone written a good, really clear explanation of why Republicans at all levels of government are so eager to keep secret a report that exonerates Trump and humiliates his critics in congress and the media?

That's been the case for years R145 but how can he just keep anything from being released or even voted on all by his chinless beady eyed self?

I suspect it was someone with Barr's blessing telling Dilanian "Mueller is done." I call bullshit.

McConnell blocks resolution calling for release of Mueller report for second time

Yes indeed R146. The sequence is:

1) It's an illegal money-wasting witch-hunt takedown.

2) Which nonetheless totally exonerates Trump from any badness ever, so he's very much not a witch, but still a winner.

3) So you really don't need to read it, let's move on and MAGA.

Has anyone been watching/ following Nicole Wallace or Ana Navarro? Just curious where they fall in terms of what Barr did/is doing?

Barr fucked Mueller over. Barr said Mueller acted "outrageously." He said there was no need for a special counsel. He said all of that in a 19 page memo unsolicited, that he used to "audition" for the AG's job. Bar is totally tainted.

The other night, someone on MSNBC said, that it was possible that Mueller, being "old school" fully subscribed to the notion that you cannot indict a sitting President. You indict someone when you have evidence they committed a crime. So for Mueller to conclude Trump was guilty of obstruction, or at least there was enough evidence to conclude he was guilty, would be comparable to indicting him.

Instead Mueller wanted Congress to act, so he simply presented the evidence of obstruction without drawing any conclusions. Barr overreached and took it on himself to decide Trump was not guilty. Which is pure bullshit. There's no doubt in my mind Barr's mission was to wrap the Mueller investigation. To shut it down, and, with Rosenstein's assistance, he did. I'm sitting here wondering if Barr can block Mueller from testifying about his investigation before Congress.

The fact that Mueller is still working speaks volumes. THis whole thing stinks. And it's not like Trump and his people would lie is it? LOL!

I think the media should tread carefully badgering for the full report.

It is possible we will see the full report come out and it will be a disappointment to the people expecting it.

And a win for Trump.

This could backfire again is all I am saying. Not that out media cares. They secretly want Trump re-elected.

Why not focus on the reduction of tax refunds for most middle class Americans and Trump trying to remove Obamacare? These are issues that will actually sway voters along with discussing how tarriffs are hurting American factory workers and farmers.People vote their pockets at the end of the day. We need to explain to the average layman that Trump means they are LOSING money. He is not good for our economy.

Russiagate is not the issue that can bring Trump to its knees. The former issues are.

It seems like either a deliberate or incredibly clumsy own goal for Judge Napalitano to have stated, repeatedly apparently, that the report is 700 pages long. For a couple of reasons too as pointed out above: a. how the fuck does he know this when no-one has stated its length and b. how did Barr summarize it so swiftly. Each new dribble of info seems to give more and more credence to this report not exonerating Trump in the way his supporters claim. I hope questions keeping being asked about how this Fox News judge came to have this info.

Brad Parscale went to Romania. That's where ex-County Clerk went prior to advocate against gay marriage.

Since Romania can't resurect Vlad the Impaler, are they looking for something more deplorable?

Kim Davis, ex-Clerk^

Thanks, R133!

I was happy to see a poll result on CNN. "Do you think the Barr summary exonerates Trump?" 56% said no! I think 43% said yes so that's a good sign most aren't falling for it though it's still too close for my liking.

r153, if it were a win for Trump he would still be tweeting the specifics.

Not doing it.

Nicole Wallace is beside herself, r151. She holds Trump's feet (and his minions' feet) to the fire more than anybody else I've seen. She's like a bulldog. She rarely has Republicans/Trump apologists on her show - the last time was Chris Christie spewing his bullshit, and she called him on it every time - very civilly, but you could see she thought he was full of it. I wondered if MSNBC management forced her to include him on her show.

I hope Congress can get the full report

My fear is that they'll be given a heavily redacted version that cuts out most of the incriminating stuff and then the repubs can continue to spin their lies, doubling down on how Trump is exonerated.

R153, while I agree that the healthcare and tax bill issues are better for Presidential candidates to focus on, I can't imagine the GOP would be so intent on blocking the release of the report if it's as benign as you suspect.

Remember that the Starr Report on Clinton was made public. The GOP is circling the wagons to avoid any embarrassment about more people than just the President.

Is there some reason why they're not calling on Mueller to testify in public? Even if he can't say anything about classified information, there are a ton of other questions the Democrats can ask him. Why aren't they calling for him?

R163, he’s still working, even though the investigation is “over.” I’m sure he’ll be in soon to testify.

They need to start rumors there is compromising info on McConnell, Graham and the lot. This is where we need an "Avenatti" type.

Hell, they are knee deep in Len Blavatnik cash...

So Judge Nap knows how long the report is but Congress doesn't?

I can't believe Democrats and the press are playing along with this fantasy the White House hasn't had that report since the minute DOJ received it.

R163 They will if the report isn't released. I'd like to see Mueller testify about his report vs the one that will be made public.

It seems as the days pass and the crowing abates the realization that this is a complete sham is starting to resonate. I agree the candidates should focus on Healthcare and the bullshit tax bill - I just got mine..we owe $21K, I have never paid that much in taxes - but congress needs to focus on walkng and chewing gum. Don't give an inch! I trust Pelosi on this.

Is there any reason, once Mueller is before The House or Congress or who ever, that he can’t just start reading, verbatim, his report??

He can redact National security stuff but just read his own report??

Someone needs to leak it to a committee member....in a committee nobody gives two shits about....and a committee member needs to read it into the record....it will be unexpected, but effective. Youre on the right track r170, but i dont think Mueller would be permitted to do that....Barr is still his boss and Barr can silence him. Actually, there was a congressman many years ago that did exactly that....I dont remember the circumstance, but Maddow did a segment on it over a year ago.

[quote]He has a short attention span and that's why he was never directly involved in meetings on his behalf. He lets others do the dirty work and he reaps the benefits.

While I do agree with you, let's not forget the Mafia angle. The godfather never carries a weapon; his underlings do. They do ALL his dirty work by design.

[quote]Is there any reason, once Mueller is before The House or Congress or who ever, that he can’t just start reading, verbatim, his report??

If a member of the House gets it they can read it into the Congressional record. Much of the grand jury testimony is strictly confidential per rules of judicial procedure. They made exceptions for the grand jury testimony in Nixon's case. Sounds like somebody in Congress is going to have to break the law.

It has come to exactly this R172. Someone is going to have to risk jail time to save the Republic.

Thats why Nadler cant fuck around with Barr. When Barr told him today that he wouldnt have the report by the 2nd, and that it would be partially redacted, he needed to file an immediate motion to the Supreme Court to force the reports entire release. the longer he allows Barr to delay and play games, the higher the likelihood things will "disappear" or be altered.

Nadler's a pretty tough cookie. I suspect they've got plans to force Barr's hand.

It is very possible someone will leak to the NYT, or the WP, or a news source such as BuzzFeed. Credible journalists will not give up the name of their source if the source asks not to be revealed.

If the content of the Barr VERSION is dramatically different in content and implications from the original, the focus will be on Barr moreso than the informant/leaker.

Barr knows he's being watched and his actions will be scrutinized. Still, he will delay and scrub the report as much as he pereives is safe to do while maintaining his spin. He has already proven he is a Trump/GOP hack, and anything he submits must be viewed as suspicious.

If the original ever gets released, Barr will lose all credibility. Democrats, the media, public outcry, must keep the pressure going. Courts will certainly be involved.

If the report is so rosey about DJT's lack of guilt as Barr's summary indicates, then Barr would be eager to have it distributed immediately. He isn't.

Anyone else see the Ari Melber interview with these two creepy spooks? They’ve cooked up quite a cover story. She’s got the worst not-a-trained-Russian-spy routine ever, and he’s got the sweatiest upper lip since Dick Nixon. She also can’t take her eyes off herself in the monitor.

Anderson Cooper interviewing Bannon right now on CNN.

Bannon’s bottom line takeaway: Nothing to see here, let’s move on folks, and start addressing our real problems.

I’ve never seen Anderson’s complexion more white.

Note to Cooper - CNN ratings are down. Do you really think interviewing that lying creep will entice viewers?

He looks like a ghost.

The more they say "nothing to see more" they more guilty they look. We know there were plenty of contacts between Trump's campaign and Russian agents.

R153 is obviously a troll.

Coop is probably afeared he could catch something incurable being in the same confined space with that human scab.

Just over 100 contacts between the campaign and Russians.... nothing to see here folks move along

R183; R178 here.

Lol! Cooper and Bannon were on a split screens. Cooper in the studio, and Bannon somewhere in Rome. It should be me. (In Rome that is)

FWIW,

[quote]Russian secret services have arrested a former minister and confidant of prime minister Dmitry Medvedev on racketeering and fraud charges in what appears to be part of a continuing Kremlin purge.

more at link

Bannon’s face actually looked quite presentable, as opposed to him looking like an alky, who got smacked in the face with a burrito supreme.

Bannon’s new word during the interview:

Margin-alia. That’s right folks, Marginalia. “All the Russian interference is, Marginalia”. As if to say all that Russian interference was on the margins, on the outside, on the perimeter, nothing to see here....

He used the word three times, in response to three of Cooper’s questions.

Bannon should know. He himself was complicit in the "Marginalia".

And purgee Abyzov is significant because

[quote]The saga of the Russian gun-rights activist Maria Butina , who is currently in a US jail after charges of espionage were brought against her, has gained media traction since she became the first Russian national convicted of seeking to influence US politics during the 2016 presidential elections.

[quote]Her attempts to infiltrate the highly influential National Rifle Association of America (NRA), in order to relay intelligence on American politicians to Russian government officials, demonstrated a high level of involvement in influential circles. Her alleged Russian government handler, a member of the Russian upper house of Parliament Alex Torshin, was sanctioned by the U.S. in April 2018. But looks like he was not the only one. Allegedly another was a Russian billionaire and ex-Minister for Open Government Affairs of Russia, Mikhail Abyzov. Mr Abyzov is known in the US for his investments in Silicon Valley startups, and in Russia he is the chairman of the country's biggest engineering company E4 Group and the majority shareholder in the ammunition plant 'Promtechnologii'.

more at link

Oh well the treason was totes legal if it was all "marginalia".

Waiting for that fat fuck's liver to explode on live TV.

I am consumed with explosive rage that the Mueller Report is being held hostage by Barr and McConnell.

Explosive rage is useful in some circumstances, but digging in for a long fight is not one of them.

Stout heart, R191. I for one am optimistic that *somebody* will figure out a way to leak the entire report.

Mueller had to know they were going to try to bury this.

[quote]Remember when Clinton Attorney General Jane Reno received the sole copy of the Starr Report, and she released a four-page memo announcing that it showed President Clinton had committed no crimes? And then she handed it over to Clinton and his lawyers, so they could redact anything they didn't want the world to see? Yeah, neither do I.

The Starr Report, in its entirety, was published as an actual book and is still available on Amazon.

The Starr Report was also released to the public the same day it was released to Congress.

Ken Starr seems to think those transparency rules don't apply anymore. Imagine that.

Republicunts don't believe rules apply to them.... shocker.

The human scab is as lame as he is repulsive.

THIS is fucking "marginalia"

If you have a R next to your name, everyone treats you differently. They are offered kid gloves by the media and public. It's as if they know they are evil, vile, scum so they need to allow them as much leeway as possible.

Again, all of this is right out in the open.

It's alright- we have Nancy, or as I like to call her, Queen Nancy.

Because R's have acted like big baby victims for a while now. The naive, the stupid and the media fell for it. So now they get to both be victims and evil all at once. Most people aren't intelligent enough to see that was ultimately always their plan. I don't think even they thought it would come into fruition so fast and easily. But here we are.

Those ratings are going to shoot back up and get even higher. The full Mueller report hasn't been released, and it's going to tell a different story than the Barr summary.

And Trump is too stupid and evil to give himself even 24 hours for a momentary positive news day.

He has since announced that he wants the courts to overturn Obamacare — despite the Supreme Court upholding it, and him being rebuffed by Congress again and again — and throw 21 million people off health insurance. JUST BECAUSE.

And his dumbshit anti-education billionaire Eva Braun, Betsy DeVos, announced she wants to COMPLETELY defund the Special Olympics.

Very smart! These people are pure, unadulterated evil. Absolutely gratuitous sadists.

What happened to the adults in the room? Just curious.

The amount of insane shit the repugs get away with is........there are no words. The Garland nomination block should have been one of the biggest scandals in US History. And it has only gotten worse and more brazen.

I shudder to think about what things would be like if the Dems had not won the House and had a huge blue wave all over the country a few months ago.

If ANY Dem have dared wanted to defund the Special Oly........you know I can't even finish. This is all too outlandish to be true.

R201 They were kicked out by the brats!

This full report will never see the light gut of day. Barr is hunched over his desk with a black sharpie. If we get one full page out of the supposed 700 without sections being black out it would be amazing

R182, I'm not a troll.

Watch. Mark my words. The full report will come out and it will be a disappointment.

If you believe CNN and especially MSNBC and Rachel Maddow you will get nothing right. They actually love Trump and what he brings dollar wise in ratings and ad revenue. They're leading us to another 4 years of Trump by refusing to report actually damning and damaging stuff he's doing to the country. Wake up!!

Sure you're not.

R206, it isn't trolling. It's common sense.

Speculation is not news. Cable news anchors spent two years speculating. We need to focus on informing the public of national news stories that highlight the damage Trump policy is doing to our country. This will actually fire up voters. It's tax season right now. Why aren't news anchors discussing in length how Americans across the country are complaining about being robbed by the Trump tax cuts?

Wouldn't that be more effective for 2020 than stretching on this Mueller report that has now come to a close?

You can call it trolling all you like. I'm still going to keep saying this.

If no indictments are coming and impeachment is not imminent as Pelosi said, what we see in the full undisclosed report does not matter. The report could say Trump kills puppies and drinks Baby blood it doesn't matter if we can't swing him in handcuffs and perp walk him out the Oval Office, it wont be seen as a win in the eyes of the public.

The news media has hyped and dramatized this report and Russiagate so much people are expecting drama as its rightful conclusion. Anything less would be seen as the collective as a political failure.

Sure, R207, sure.

Already had R207 blocked as a Russian troll.

r207 I don't care if the report says Hillary Clinton eats puppies and the GOP is trying to sandbag us with that later. I deserve to see what it's in that report and not after it's been gutted by William Barr.

The Democratic party is perfectly capable of doing several things at once. Our candidates are on the trail every single day talking about issues American care about. It just so happens millions care about this one, too.

And why are you people so obsessed with Maddow? I never watch her. Millions of other Democrats don't either. She's not our party leader. She does a show. That's it.

R210 Exactly, let the candidates talk to people about the future, while the vets like Pelosi should do everything they can to hammer Trump and his cronies to the ground.

Maddow reports FACTS about Mueller investigations and other Trump scandals, so of course the Trump trolls are always trying to undermine her credibility with lies.

I feel like Republicans don’t know what they are doing, other than being crybaby jerks They immediately go from the silly Barr obstructiion memo to trying to fully gut Obamacare, which makes them even more unpopular. What is their message and why would anyone want to vote for them?

R201, if you are referring to the "adult" Republicans who were supposed to rein in Trump, he's driven them all away. No one can work with him. Even his own cabinet appears to have been blindsided by his most recent attempt to destroy the ACA -- one of the most self-destructive things imaginable.

Republicans are also telling Trump to drop his tariffs because they are bringing on a recession just in time for 2020. They are truly terrible leaders.

And what the fuck is wrong with that total imbecile Devos? Is she really cutting Special Olympics?

Trump is getting desperate. His con is up. He has no wall paid for by Mexico. The VA is as bad as it ever was. The opioid crisis that was such a priority has been ignored. No infrastructure. He's undermining a healthy economy with his incompetence. He has no foreign policy accomplishments. The swamp has gotten bigger under his "leadership". He was going to fix everything in his first thirty days and all he has to show for four years in office is a four page summary that Helen Keller can see is a coverup. Same charlatan fraud, new decade.

Yes. He’s an exhausting mess. People are sick of him.

Since trumptards get their talking points from RT aka fux noise, they figure every Democrat must get their marching orders from Rachel.

Nope. We can actually think for ourselves.

look out for Trump to start raging on Obama, Hillary, Loretta Lynch, Susan Rice, James Comey and more. Saw on twitter a clip of Hannity and he was fake-raging on his show, calling for them all to be investigated lol. He's trying to create momentum for the lie that Hillary colluded with Ukraine to win the election...he thinks Lynch should be in trouble for her tarmac meeting with Bill Clinton...

He's doing this to create a distraction for when the fucking report is finally released of course. Yes it shouldn't matter except for the fact that Trump is advised by him and will likely be tweeting this shit soon.

Trump was on Hannity's show tonight in another unhinged rant

Thursday fuckery here we come!

Can we discuss Papaopoulous and his very, very, very Russian wife on Ari Melber? Are they kidding trying to pass her off as Italian? She might as well have a Russian flag tattooed on her forehead.

It all comes back to McConnell if he were gone the Repugs would definitely be thrown off their game even if it were only for a few weeks till they found another monster to take the turtle's place in Satan's party.

I stopped watching msnbc because I did not want to sit through a bunch of speculation and I needed a fucking break, but I will be back. this whole thing stinks and makes no sense. I pray the truth comes out. Hey maybe a foreign news outlet could publish the full report. Maxine Waters would read it into the record with zero fucks given.

There should be rallies on the streets for this report to be released in full. Where is the public outrage? Why wait for Nancy Pelosi to do anything or everything?

r220 She's got to be his handler. There is no way she's Italian.

After reading this article I agree, R224.

These fucking trolls,. Maddow doesn't deal in speculation. She deals in facts. She is also able to give us context, factual context for what is going on. In times of crisis, which this most certainly is, I find Rachel Maddow indispensable. The analysts who appear on MSNBC are, for the most part some of the best in their field. I Feel the same about most of the people at MSNBC. For the most part, they are true journalists, really reporting the news. They aren't billed as "entertainment" as Fox is.

You know, when the lawyers on Mueller's team started leaving recently, that was a sign something was not right. There is growing speculation that Barr shut Mueller down. So you'd think the guys who worked for Mueller would start pressuring him to do something. Mueller's reputation is on the line if he allows Barr to mischaracterize his work.

I have to wonder if a true "final report even exists at this point. Once the truth comes out Barr's reputation isn't going to be worth anything. They're trying to drag Mueller down to their level. This is ascamand a cover up and most people can see through it. They are manufacturing this spin for his base.It amazes me that they can even find people like BArr to participate in this scam with no regard to the way they are perceived by the majority of people in this country. I hope the news media goes after Barr and looks under every fucking rock. I want to know who his clients are and WTF he answers to. He had a successful private practice and was ready to semi retire. He was doing well. Someone reached out to him, as I understand it, to see if he wanted to be on Trump's defense team, and he turned it down, but then he wrote this 19 page memo attacking his "good friend"Mueller and his investigation, and saying Trump could not be cited for obstruction even before he saw any evidence. He is dirty. He had even more reason to recuse himself that Sessions had.

8 Life Setbacks and Failures of Narcissists

1. Family Estrangement – Multiple studies have examined the relationship between narcissism and difficult family relationships [especially if you have to use money to keep them on board, e.g., a Woody-Soon-Yi situation with your own daughter.]

2. Divorce – Research has also shown the tremendous negative impact narcissism has on romantic relationships and marriages.

3. Relationship Cut-Offs – Since narcissists “use” rather than “relate”, they tend to leave many broken relationships behind. Narcissists also experience relationship dissolution from others feeling let down, disappointed, lied to, used, manipulated, violated, exploited, betrayed, ripped-off, demeaned, invalidated, or ignored.

4. Loneliness and Isolation – Due to the first three factors described above, most narcissists have few, if any healthy, close and lasting relationships. Some higher-functioning narcissists achieve external success in life – at the expense of others – and find themselves lonely at the top.

5. Missed Opportunities – From a lack of true substance and/or connectedness.

6. Financial, Career, or Legal Trouble – From rule breaking, gross irresponsibility, careless indulgence, or other indiscretions.

7. Damaged Reputation – From personal and/or professional lack of credibility.

8. Deep-Seated Fear of Rejection / Being Unimportant – Many narcissists are easily upset at a­ny real or perceived slights or inattentiveness. They are constantly hounded by the insecurity that people may not see them as the privileged, powerful, popular, or “special” individuals they make themselves to be. Deep down, many narcissists feel like the “ugly duckling”, even if they painfully don’t want to admit it.

R220 I always found that relationship very strange. No way is she not 100% Russian. She seems to be a big of a fame whore too. No one else involved in this mess has their wife sitting next to them the whole time.

One more thing. She reminds me of Marina Butina. Lots of pretty Russian ladies running around the old, white men of the republican party. Good thing for the little blue pill.

R222 I figured you stopped watching MSNBC because they don't air it in Moscow.

Ever wonder why holier-than-thou Jerry Falwell Jr. went all out for Trump, a thrice-married adulterer who raw-dogged a porn star while his current wife was pregnant?

Just months after President Donald Trump took office, the federal government signed a contract to buy hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of jet fuel from Falwell's Liberty University.

I think a previous poster was onto something. If, IF the Meuller Report incriminates a Repug congressman(s), then its logical that Barr has a legit reason NOT to release the report since that would qualify as being "outside the scope" of Meuller's investigation. And it's true, we know that a helluva lot of Repugs were taking cash from Manafort/Putin. Can this be a plausible scenario?

that is so bizarre..Liberty Univerisity sells jet fuel.

Rich Lowry had an article in Politico about Rachel's delusion. What a fucking joke..abuse of power, 100 meetings with Russians, wink and nod conspiracy and obstruction all for our eyes to see. Fuck him!

The Trump administration secretly approved the sale of nuclear power technology to Saudi Arabia.

Because you can trust a country that chops up journalists to be responsible with nukes.

This is brilliant.

Monica's response to this tweet:

[quote]Imagine if the Starr Report had been provided only to President Clinton's Attorney General, Janet Reno, who then read it privately and published a 4-page letter based on her private reading stating her conclusion that President Clinton committed no crimes.

Twitter is considering red-tagging shitty Trump tweets that violate their rules

If the report is 300 pages long as the NY Times says, then there's no way he gave it a good read through if any at all to write a letter in response. This is a circus!

Is there only a single word on each page ?.....there is no way that report is 300 pages or less.

Maybe Mueller used a really large font and had big margins.

Im starting to believe that this cover up goes deeper than we think. Barr is trying to bury the Mueller report, his son in law is working for white house counsel...meaning a pipeline for info....his daughter works for FinCen at Treasury...so they will block access to tax returns for Trump. Members of Congress are demanding certain democrats resign...etc, etc, etc. Someone really does need to leak the full report. There should be no redactions, including GJ testimony....Nixon is the example....Congress can make the classified redactions. NYT is claiming the report is 300 pages...Napalitano, a Trump crony says its 700.....what will be missing from what Conress sees ?

I pray that some brave American will leak the entire Mueller report. We need a modern day Woodward and Bernstein. I think that's the only way we'll ever find out the truth. Trump and his cronies can not get away with this.

The whole “Barr summary” story is completely falling apart. And not everyone in the media is buying the new WH talking points. I suggest everyone watch Nicolle Wallace on msnbc.

Adam Schiff just laid it ALL out in front of House Republicans who were calling for him to step down.

Watch and share, please.

Part 2

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Schiff is AMAZING in those clips!

I love how Trump's attack has only strengthened Adam Schiff. Yes, I agree R247, he is amazing.

What could possibly be the Republican response to all that? Yes, we’re okay with all that because we won?

I loved how he was side-eyeing Nunez that fucking scumbag. Adam Schiff is a hero.

R249... the response will be that Adam Schiff is a lying liar and the things he said were all lies and Mueller's report proved that all those things were lies!

The Barr summary has been a complete FLOP.

[quote] And why are you people so obsessed with Maddow?

Because she tells her viewers what they want to hear. Reinforcing a bubble echo chamber is always popular among the others within.

If Barr says it's 300 pages, it's actually three times that length.

Doubting Girl doubts sighing Boris.

Schiff LAID.IT.OUT. Watch the clips above and share!

On Lawrence last night, he claimed the Report was just under 1000 pages. HIs headline was 999.

The accounts of differing page numbers is being put out there purposefully....if everyone accepts that its 300 pages...with no evidence of otherwise, then nobody will notice the missing 400 pages that contain all the damning info. Its the same reason Barr wont give an actual page count. He cant make them disappear if people know the number.

those fucking repubs are DESPICABLE!! They will stop at nothing to cover up the truth about their Putin's dick sucking President.

Bravo to Schiff. It's trending on twitter now #IStandWithSchiff

How dare Conway and the others demand he step down? They should fucking resign, not Schiff.

See how this works though? Fox has been calling Schiff a liar for weeks now and with Barr's summary, they and now repubs are calling for him to step down.

Fox really needs to be stopped. Their propaganda has infested our government

Schiff read those cunts to filth!

He should've backhanded that prick, Nunez, right off that chair. That would have been epic!

Great idea from Neal Katyal:

[quote]Or, instead of subpoena, if Barr won’t turn over Mueller Report to Congress, House should defund the Office of the Attorney General and Barr’s salary

[quote]Congress appropriates funds paid by US taxpayers. If the People are kept in the dark by this lawlessness, we shouldnt pay for it

Let me clarify- when I asked about Maddow I was wondering why people are obsessed with pushing the line Democrats take orders from her. She's incredibly smart and good at her job, I just don't watch her show. Not my cup of tea. But all over the internet there's this running theme Democrats are interested in Russia only because Rachel pushes it on them, and that isn't true. No bashing of Rachel or her viewers was intended.

#IStandWithSchiff bitches!

R262 the answer to your question is that "all those posts with that line," are trolls.

Schiff was amazing. He terrifies the Republicans because they can't intimidate him.

R242- It doesn't even have to be an American who leaks it. If they're worried about ramifications of leaking, why not give it over to a trustworthy foreign journalist? Someone like Daniel Dale for example- he's done a ton of work logging Trump's lies.

The whole report must come out. Can people get a lawsuit against the Attorney General for withholding it?

R262 it’s just an updated “but her emails” red herring. Ignore.

Wash Post has new article on Trump and his financial fraud.....which is criminal!

R262, Rachel does her homework and reports on the facts that she has uncovered. She even shows you the "footnotes". Documents that can't be disputed. She doesn't try to deflect by accusing other's of crimes that never occurred or have been proven false. Does she have an agenda? Of course she does and that agenda is getting to truth.

[quote]Speculation is not news. Cable news anchors spent two years speculating.

Cable news networks aren't pure news. A lot of their time is devoted to commentary and discussion which is what you deem "speculation". So if you want only hard news, choose an outlet that provides only that.

Also, cable news shows have much lower viewership than the big networks who all provide national and local news in all markets.

You have tons of choices for hard news. Stop demagoguing.

How come no one demanded bleeping Nunes resign when it was revealed he was just Dotard's mole? Here we have nothing but a partisan Barr letter and these moron Trumpies are acting like they were vindicated by god or something. Dems need to play hard ball or they will always be on the defensive for nothing more than partisan parlor trick. I do blame the stupid media for not pointing this obvious switcheroo ploy employed by Barr. A Barr summary with little actual Muller content to it is not the Mueller Report.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) blocked a resolution calling for special counsel Robert Mueller’s report be made public, arguing that Congress should also call for communications and testimony from Obama-era officials.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), who is one of several Democratic senators running for president, tried to get unanimous consent for the Senate to pass the resolution, which cleared the House in a 420-0 vote earlier this month.

Two earlier attempts to vote on the resolution were blocked by Mitch McConnell.

R273 Is there any procedural way to get around the Turtle?

R272 that piece of shit. Fuck all those repubs who are trying to do the both sides shit. We ALL KNOW nothing in Obama's administration came anywhere near as close to the scandals and treason of Trump and his minions. They are going to keep trying to make it seem like "nothing to see here with Trump but look at Obama"

I hope it doesn't work but most white American voters are so damn dumb it might work

Schiff was absolutely brilliant in those clips. The thing that pisses me off is that Nunes and his groupies are doing this to disrupt a committee hearing that is important. THey were all called on it, other members of Congress pointing out that this was orchestrated with the White House, etc. Those rotten fuckers. Dems are too fucking nice. We need to kick ass, fine those fuckers, and bar them from hearings if they keep disrupting. I watched part of that and those rotten fuckers kept talking over him and interrupting Schiff before he had his say, insisting he yield his time ad he had to keep saying, "I will not yield!" I love him. I used to think he was boring, but I love him when he gets pissed like this. Go, Baby, Go!!!

The Republicans have no moral authority what-so-ever. They put all their money on Donald Trump and his associates. Fuck them and their high almighty hypocrisy.

Mueller should publish a press release clarifying how many pages his report has, or had, before it arrived at Barr's desk. Get Barr on obstruction and potentially doctoring an official document to save Trump and the GOP.

Oprah should call Mueller and ask for an exclusive sit down interview.

The Mueller Investigation shutdown and the Mueller Report cover-up are new scandals.

Barr is Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows, and Sarah Sanders rolled into one.

Maddow would cut Oprah if she makes a move to get Mueller first.

Brian Williams would be a good one to interview Mueller.

Hannity had the nerve to devote some of his show last night to showing a montage of Rachel Maddow and calling her a conspiracy theorist

I wish the SDNY or NY State AG would hurry up and indict that despicable piece of shit for whatever work Cohen was doing for him. Hannity is the worst poison in our country right now, worse than Trump because of his propaganda he's been spreading for YEARS that is baked in to a large number of white Americans' minds

Rachel doesn’t take a position on any of the accusations like Shamity does.

She reports facts day in and out, and let’s her audience draw conclusions.

That is rich of Hannity. What a fucking fool.

r282. I think that's the long term gameplan to label Trump opposition as conspiracy theorists, bullies, haters, ... terrorists who need to be censored based on hate speech.

Both Hannity and Trump literally do nothing but PROJECT.

R283 yes I know she doesn't respond but the point is, Hannity puts shit out there and it sticks in a significant number of white voters' minds so it does matter. I wish people would ignore him but he's taking advantage of Barr's spin summary to make himself and Fox look credible while further dismissing Rachel and the rest of mainstream media

this is so dangerous.

This week MSNBC and CNN numbers are way down while Fox is up

Fox has ruined so many families. Torn them right down the middle. All for ratings and cash.

People will choose Fox over their own kin. It’s really messed up. There has to be a way to unprogram their viewers.

The vivid graphics, the flashy production, the bright colors against some apocalyptic backdrop... it reminds me of the radical videos from the internet and overseas these days. They’ve gone full on state television.

Sick stuff going on there.

[quote]Because she tells her viewers what they want to hear. Reinforcing a bubble echo chamber is always popular among the others within.

The cognitive dissonance is hilarious.

Syria suggests the U.S. give Israel Lindsey Graham"s South Carolina and not the Golan Heights.

So we wake up one morning. Sean Hannity is the credible voice of reason and Rachel Maddow is touting conspiracy theories. I know it was supposed to get worse before getting better. Is this what is meant by that?

This nightmare continues to exceed Putin's modest expectations.

South Carolina is in absolute shambles why she plays cops and robbers with the thug D.C. republican set.

30 years in the Senate is enough to have made some progress.

Speaking of *hitholes

Classic projection, r282.

Awhile back, I dvr'd Hannity for a week just to get an idea of his show and how he operates. What amazed me most was his blatant plagiarism, and how it appears that he never gets called on it, (not that I've seen, anywat). He would take a major story delivered either on MSNBC, CNN, NYT, etc. steal the clever byline written, then substitute his own propaganda in the subject line. I guess to make his deplorable viewers believe HE'S the clever one! (they don't watch or read any other news outlets so how would they know?).

Some examples: I saw a heavily promoted commentator on MSNBC comparing Trump's admin to a "Banana Republic", next day that's all Hannity was saying about how it'd be without Trump; his constant use of "you can't make these things up" for stories that he most likely DID make up; he directly stole "Boom" from Comey-associate Lawfare blogger Benjamin Wittes's twitter feed, who was using it to denote important scoops taken from NYT, WAPO, etc. - and THIS WAS ONE DAY after Rachel did a profile of Wittes on her show, - and the list just goes on.....

He can't even write his own fucking material!!!!

r294 watches faux news, gives it ratings and add revenue and thinks he's doing us a favor lol. Fuck off forever.

R293 Yes, as we know Hillary is not the crooked one. The whole Trump/Russia phenomenon is based on the Trumpies throwing shit and seeing what sticks, and lying about their own shit. Of course, it wouldn't work if the deplorables weren't so stupid.

I just watched a clip of Schiff -- the Republicans on the Committee WERE twitching and squirming. As well they should, they are part of the attempted destruction of our institutions.

What's most disturbing to me is that gaslighting, stonewalling, and projecting WORKS! I mean, we've all seen or known sociopathic individuals who do this, but this is as the presidential level. We've had crooked presidents before, but none so blatant and unashamed to not even put up a pretense of propriety. It's stunning and terrifying. We've seen it go so low...how low can it go? That's what scares me.

R298 Their plan relies on the complicit media targeting a deplorable audience, making these zombies spread their propaganda until it becomes the accepted "truth". Rinse and repeat. It's very much a chain reaction of disinformation. It's not working as well as the Republicans like to think, but the fact it's working on a third of the country is a very dangerous situation already.

R287, At this point, no one can change anyone's mind. Trump's deplorables are even more up his asshole and nothing Rachel says will change that. Trump's supporter's do not think critically nor do they understand her since she doesn't speak in nursery rhymes and catch phrases, so someone like Rachel is way over their empty heads.

R299 We live in dangerous times... if Trump can get turn half the country into deplorables, you can forget about democracy. Just by the way they praise and protect an obviously corrupt Trump, these degenerate Republicans of today are aiming for a coup one way or another.

This should give anyone pause if you consider voting for anyone other than a Dem. If they are willing to do this for him, imagine what they would do for a normal acting repug president?

Today I phone banked for a special election on the east coast. I'm on the west coast. Seems to boil down to libtards murder babies. That and the racism. So fucking sad. I love schiff and donated to him today. This is really a fight for our democracy.

and that's why it's important to be aware of what Hannity & Fox are saying. They echo chamber propaganda with Trump who has the world's biggest platform. That's why it matters. We can't just ignore them because more than 1/3 of the country isn't. We need to be aware so we can defeat them

Trump can't turn anyone into a Deplorable. The right wing media can though. And oh, how they try by turning the Mueller report into a bogus witch hunt thanks to Burr's brief synopsis.

People don't like to be manipulated and that's what Barr and the right wing media (always) do.

Guys, Fox is getting so much worse! Check out Seth Abramson's twitter feed....

You'd think that Republicans would be smart enough to see what happens when you wholeheartedly support Trump, expecting the same loyalty in return. Have they never heard of the name Michael Cohen? Because this will be all of them sooner or later.

By the time we see Mueller's report it will be well homogenized, Barr is guarding Trump. They both think they're above the law as they waddle around in their own bloat.

In case the link doesn't work, Dan Bongino, that scumbag who appears on Hannity, is demanding Twitter shut down 10 feeds for telling the truth on Trump-Russia, Including Adam Schiff, Malcolm Nance, John Brennan, and Rachel....

It's getting really fucking ugly.

A sampler of the opulence in attendance for tonight's Nuremberg rally

Dan Bongino is a disgrace to anyone who's been a Secret Serviceman. Pathetic

my big concern is that we're not going to see the damaging info on Trump from the Mueller report and that Barr will redact it, saying it's classified. So we'll only see the part that exonerates him and the rest will remain hidden, which will again allow the repubs to maintain their narrative that he's innocent.

This is going to be a fight to get it all released

Dan boingo?

You mean that psychotic bunny voiced by Andy Dick in "Hoodwinked"?

Lord have mercy, I am laughing too hard to breathe.

Another sample.

Why would Liberty University have jet fuel in quantities that it can sell it to the Pentagon? I've worked for several universities both large and small. None of them ever had jet fuel storage facilities. Something is weird with this story.

The Dems should start House investigations now since anything coming out of this DOJ is compromised; otherwise, people will get hoodwinked by this complicit DOJ under Trump crony Barr.

I don't understand why something as benign as the page count of the Mueller Report is so secretive. It seems if you were trying to hide or cut something then you wouldn't let that out.

[quote]Trump allies see Barr’s letter as a kind of Swiss Army knife—a tool useful in all kinds of situations. Not only is it exculpatory, they say, but it also implicitly rebukes the press for its coverage of the Russia investigation, inoculating Trump from any future scandal that reporters might unearth. According to a source familiar with internal discussions at the Republican National Committee and the pro-Trump super PAC America First, both organizations are “geared up for any nonsense to come.”

[quote]They’re already prepared to attack reporters. “Any reporter who tries that will be hit with 30-second spots of all their ridiculous claims about collusion,” said the source, who, like others interviewed for this story, requested anonymity to describe private conversations. “Their tweets have all been screencapped. It’s all ready to go.” (“It's the same thing we've been doing the last two years. We're going to hold the media accountable when we see fit,” an RNC official clarified, adding that this would include digital clips shared on social media.)

r318 Nope, not going to work. Everyone I know is sick of this asshole. And I live in a very big red state. Everyone is SICK of him. The midterms showed this in even very red states. No one wants to go through 4 more years of this. And wait until the economy slows. Fuck him and fuck the repugs.

I agreee. I see signs that people aren’t impressed with the summary, even deplorables. They aren’t really gloating like you’d think.

The talking heads are, but the rank and file are over it, despite what they might say to survey.

Liberty University owns an aviation company, R315. Why, I don't know.

[quote]The politically murky issue of separation of church and state has spilled over into schools, workplaces, institutions and government functions.

[quote]The Lynchburg Regional Airport also has found itself caught in the crosshairs of the topic – though the “church” in this case is the Christian private higher-education institution Liberty University.

[quote]Some Lynchburg City Council members voiced concerns this week – including the church and state issue – while directing city staff to negotiate a new lease with LU-owned Freedom Aviation that would allow the company to expand its business model at the city-owned airport.

[quote]Council voted 6-1 Tuesday to begin working out a new lease agreement with Freedom Aviation that would essentially allow the business to be the airport’s sole “Fixed Base Operator,” or FBO. Airport Director Mark Courtney had proposed an option that would allow the airport to become a FBO, a measure he said would anchor the airport’s business model and enhance its revenue opportunities, but Council did not support it.

[quote]Freedom Aviation purchased the other FBO, Virginia Aviation, in June 2014 and sought to assume the lease. The business provides fuel and repair services, among others, to general aviation users at the airport and is looking to spend millions in capital investments and nearly double its employment and economic output in upcoming years, according to projections presented to the city.

Shady.

56% of Americans say the Mueller report DOES NOT exonerate Trump of collusion.

The number is even higher among independents — 58%.

90% of Americans want the full report released.

Their frantic, borderline-criminal attempts to spin and cover up have FAILED.

R319- I don't think you even need to wait for the slow economy. Trump's opened up the whole Obamacare thing again- like he never learned his lesson the last time, but he probably thinks it'll be smooth sailing now that McCain is dead- but once people start losing their health care, all bets are off.

Here's the problem: Let's say less than 40% side with Trump and want to shun the Mueller Report. Sure, it's a minority - but those are the dangerous ones. And they're being prompted to act out when it stops going in Trump's favor.

As my dad used to say, batten down the hatches!

R321....They have to do something with all that money that stupid people just throw at him....Osteen, Robertson, Angley, Baker, Falwell....all of them have way too much money and dont know what to do with it...except make a profit for themselves. Hell, Robertson owns a fucking diamond mine.

r321....you would think their parishioners would question their opulent lifestyles and why that money wasnt going to help the community and the less fortunate. Nope, they dont care. Look at that one evangelical preacher that was in the news recently because he was asking for donations so that he can buy a private jet so spread the word of the lord....his 4th jet. And people donated.

Their parishioners are the same idiots who think Trump is the best President in US history.

For some reason there are millions of people in this country who enjoy being lied to, conned and humiliated.

The reason is they’re morons.

I loved that Schiff publicly shamed the Republican committee members. I also think he was genuinely pissed that they all signed a letter calling on him to resign. All very obviously orchestrated by the WH.

The other thing the Trump campaign operation is gearing up for is attack ads on....journalists. They are going to take footage of them criticizing Trump and portray them all as ...dun, dun, dun...Conspiracy theorists!!!!!!!

We absolutely must win this election in 2020 and defeat them. Trump unleashed will be the death knell of the United States.

Schiff has one of the most difficult jobs now imaginable. He knows the corruption is there. I mean who knows how much he knows. These sleaze bags keep getting away with it and he has to remain like an adult. Now it has gotten personal and I really feel for the man. You can tell he wants to help the country (well, more like save it) and it's killing him that he has these constant shady obstacles. The man is a true American hero and history will treat him well.

R315 Thank you. Now, why would a private christian university own an aviation company? Are the exempt from taxes because they're a religious institution.

R331, I agree with you.

Agree with r331 too

So, dumb questions, is Mueller still going into the office and working ? Or is it all done.

R331 here...I just saw part of his speech on MSNBC (I don't watch faux news to 'just see what they're saying' lol). I'd only watched it on my phone but watching it on TV made my eyes water. It was so much stronger and passionate. I love that man. It's crucial to see that there are still good people out there.

I hate these motherfuckers

Forgive the source, it's the only one I could find with the proper write up and video.

Either way, I love Nancy. She's a badass.

Still working, r334.

Anyone care to guess who leaks the full report?

Conceivably, how many people have seen or will see the unredacted report? Mueller, Barr obviously. I imagine Barr won’t show it to anyone in the WH or beyond he doesn’t trust 100%. Is there the possibility someone on Mueller’s team has it and would leak it? I don’t see Mueller himself doing that.

Can’t Mueller at least do a press release? Saying the report is X pages? Something? Anything?

I think Mueller has been silent because he wants Barr to hang himself.

R340- It might be the case where the report comes out in "pieces". Everyone on Mueller's team might not know the entire report and underlying documents but enough people will know a piece here and a piece there.

Also, it might not even been anyone on Mueller's team that ends up leaking it - it could be someone on the inside of the WH who has been waiting for the right moment.

I am not quite sure why so many people are accepting the Mueller report, or Barr's version of it. No one on the right would be accepting it if Mueller would have found collusion or overwhelming evidence of obstruction. Trump has spent months telling his people this is a witch hunt and to not trust Mueller's findings. So why are we accepting any of the conclusions? Not finding collusion isn't the same as it not existing. When I can't find my glasses, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Clearly Trump has NOTHING to run on. Is he touting his accomplishments? Nope. Maybe because he has none! All he is doing is playing attack which only appeals to 40% or less of voters. Schiff was great. That was a classic moment.

That’s because the report is full of embarrassing information. Barr set it up for Trump to declare victory and suppress the report. They are playing games.

These calls for Schiff to resign are just right wing payback for the calls for Nunes to resign back in 2017.

[quote] The admission triggered three Democrats on the House committee to call for Rep. Devin Nunes, a California Republican, to recuse himself from the investigation, including Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the senior Democrat on the committee.

[quote] “After much consideration, and in light of the chairman’s admission that he met with his source of information at the White House, I believe that the chairman should recuse himself from any further involvement in the Russia investigation, as well as any involvement in oversight of matters pertaining to any incidental collection of the Trump transition, as he was also a key member of the transition team,” Schiff said in a statement. “This is not a recommendation I make lightly, as the chairman and I have worked together well for several years.”

Yes!

Schiff was fantastic today. And when that one fucker repug asked Schiff to yield his time, Schiff told him ‘absolutely not, you attacked my credibility, and this is my response’.

Good for him.

I think Mueller is being quiet because he was never on our side, he always intended it to go this way. The Repubs stick together no matter what, they don't care that Trump is a disgusting sociopath, they will all be dead within a couple decades anyway so they don't care what happens to our country.

R349 - OK Debbie Downer, go play in heavy traffic.

R327 &328 to address your points and takevthe conversation slightly askew- just so most of you understand how truly F*cked and detached from realitu most Evangelicals are: I live in a Red State. My neighbor belongs to a local well-known Evangelical Mega-Church. She pulled me aside recently to discuss in hushed tones, the recent and rapid departure of the church's Leader (embezzlement) along with his family. She said, and I quote, "I was SO disappointed by some of the congregation who demanded to know what happened. The council assured us THEY had everything in hand, THEY were handling matters, and WE needen't bother ourselves with the details. I'm putting my faith in them." You can't MAKE UP Mother Fuckers this DUMB.

r349....Mueller didnt do anything wrong....he wrote his report and turned it in...Barr on the other hand decided to make himself judge and jury....its clear from Mueller laying out the evidence that he expected Congress to decide.

Mueller could have leaked something, but he didn't. Excuse me if I'm disappointed.

[quote]it could be someone on the inside of the WH who has been waiting for the right moment.

And then you'll call me a hero!

How much longer until the report is leaked?

Schiff is a fuckng G. Seriously he should run for president.

You can absolutely feel and see on full display how our oligarchs (and Russia's) OWN the repugs in the Senate. The conservative rich fucking own them lock, stock and barrel. The level of insanity in the Senate is bonkers. The House is too hard to hold- too many districts to pour money in when they only need a set number of states.

Hopefully, everyone shows Schiff support on Twitter. The Repubs have been humiliated and they need to see there is tons of support for Schiff. Those Repubs are slime. I heard the whole speech on Rachel - not just sound bites - and it is remarkable.

That was the best extemporaneous speech I have heard since RFK spoke the night Martin Luther King was killed. Schiff today was remarkable.

Every person in America needs to hear this speech!

trump on an anti-Schiff rant tonight . “Many, many people were badly hurt by this scam. But more importantly, our country was hurt. Our country was hurt. And they are on artificial respirators right now. They are getting mouth-to-mouth resuscitation,” Trump began. “Little pencil-neck Adam Schiff. He has the smallest, thinnest neck I’ve ever seen.”

The president continued, “He is not a long ball hitter but I saw him today, ‘Well we don’t really know, there still could have been some Russia collusion.’ Sick, sick. These are sick people and there has to be accountability because it is all lies and they know it’s lies.”

Also, Jr was the warm up act at the rally. "Think about the fact that every mainstream leading Democratic contender is taking the advice of a freshmen congresswoman who three weeks ago didn't know the three branches of government," Trump Jr. told the crowd as he discussed Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal, a climate change bill that failed in the Senate this week.

"I don't know about you guys but that's pretty scary," the president's eldest son said as the crowd started to chant, "AOC sucks! AOC sucks!"

Trump chuckled then told the crowd: "You guys, you're not very nice and neither is what that policy would do to this country."

We truly are an international embarrassment.

DO YOU BELIEVE TRUMP ACTED ILLEGALLY? 64% Probably 32% Probably not

DO YOU BELIEVE TRUMP ACTED UNETHICALLY? 72% Probably 25% Probably not

Pew Research poll

Haha love this poll.

His schtick is wearing thin and I think that people will be ready for new blood.

[quote]Ever wonder why holier-than-thou Jerry Falwell Jr. went all out for Trump, a thrice-married adulterer who raw-dogged a porn star while his current wife was pregnant?

Oh how soon we forget that Jerry Falwell Jr. was [bold]FUCKING GIANMARCO THE 22YO ITALIAN POOL BOY.[/bold]

Michael Cohen went to Falwell and threatened to expose the poolboy fucking unless Falwell endorsed Trump. The rest is history.

This entire Trumpian empire revolves around kompromat and blackmail.

He has no new material. Worst thing that can happen in "showbiz". He goes to the same, BORING, well every time spewing the same stupid, limited vocabulary. He isn't infuriating. He is boring asf. His act is wearing thin with the public. Even deplorable-lites are starting to chafe at his antics.

Did you see that fucker Nunes talking while Schiff was speaking? Disrespectful shitstain. Then again, he does what Putin instructs like a good asset.

Schiff's controlled fury was great as he laid out all the known things...

R351 - like sheep to the slaughter.

They act like they've never heard the expression " the good Lord helps those who help themselves".

Instead they want to pray and hope white jeebus swoops in and smites the embezzlers. Ain't happening.

I wish I didn’t feel this way, but it just seems there’s not going to be a Mueller ex machina to save the day.

R364 - “Did you see that fucker Nunes talking while Schiff was speaking?”.

Yes, I saw it. And if it were possible to punch someone’s face through the TV, I would’ve done it.

And then, did you hear that scum bag repug demand that Schiff yield his time? Schiff was like, ‘no you attacked me, and I defended my position.’

Good for him. Schiff was great, and spoke absolute truth.

Nunes needed to be smacked with Thor's hammer.

Who are these rubes that come out to Trump rallies? Idiots who watch Fox News and get their news from gay Matt Drudge.

I think they pay some of them tbh.

It would be so much simpler if little mushroom dick Trump suddenly died. He is the Charles Manson of politics.

R370 Drudge is very typical of a type of gay man. Contrarian, likely was snubbed by hot gays growing up, developed a resentment and became conservative. I've seen so many of his ilk.

Yep. He’s ill aligning himself with Trump. It’s that Hannity bottom thing.

It’s not a winning argument to try and foment superiority or aggressive deluded behavior.

Did any minorities attend this rube rally?

Here is the problem I see. Unless Mueller himself is releasing the report to the public, the public will question the authenticity and accuracy of the report. Is it Barr's version? Is it someone else's version? Fake News? Conspiracy? Deep State?

Who, other than Mueller, will the public trust to give them (access to) the actual report?

[quote]He is the Charles Manson of politics.

Yas.

Mueller is a Republican. I am sure he was thorough but ultimately he was a good soldier and rolled over. Hopefully many things are in motion we don’t know about. There will be a comeuppance for Trump and he will die.

Dianne Feinstein will leak the full Mueller report, as she did with other shit the Repugs tried to repress.

She is old as hell and has no fucks left to give or lend. It would be a fabulous legacy for her, especially considering how she's been excoriated for being too centrist/accommodating over her entire political career.

R375- People will know a leaked report is true if Mueller doesn't release any statement saying otherwise. When there was an inaccurate reporting before, a spokesperson came out to correct the record. Mueller would do the same thing if there was a leaked report that wasn't accurate.

Trump wishes he was Alexis Colby, he can only dream. He’s the saddest fucking loser the planet has ever seen.

CNN is replaying Schiff's statement. He's on fire. This clip needs to go viral.

How can a Rethug demand someone from the opposing party yield their time?

GTFO.

R367 I'm very sure you "wish you didn't feel that way. "

No R372 It should be McConnell and/or Rand Paul because without those two heartless human blockades Trump would quickly do or say something the Rethugs couldn't protect him from.

Trump's rally was full of Q-Anon people tonight. Thousands of them. Much more than usual.

Those are the ones who worry me. The people who truly believe Democrats eat children in pizza parlors. And our intelligence guys seem to be doing absolutely nothing about it. They know who Q is/are. They could out them and end this shit tomorrow.

With numbers like that, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump's approval starts to drop. Wouldn't that be the kicker? Getting cleared by Mueller ends up killing his presidency?

It really seems like we've entered a new space. The majority clearly doesn't believe Trumps innocence. A wide majority at that.

Keep kicking, Dems.

I hope you're right, R386.

So Barr has comped rooms at any Trump property (not the rest of his family; Der Furor [intended] is cheap) for his remaining years.

[quote] And our intelligence guys seem to be doing absolutely nothing about it. They know who Q is/are. They could out them and end this shit tomorrow.

WTF are you talking about??! That’s not how the government operates. Conspiracy theorists are protected under the first amendment. They are free to be as dumb as they want to be.

Mueller and his fellow accomplished attorneys who have spent years on this unprecedented issue now see the 'President' describe their work as 'illegal', a 'hoax', and thus 'accountable.'

Such slurs themselves seem legally questionable (not that this has ever given Trump a moment's pause).

At a guess, Mueller and his colleagues don't seem the types just to let such slander dominate the narrative and prevail.

How Tricky Dumpy sidestepped Mueller

I agree with #390. Mueller isn't the type to go on Twitter or grandstand or call a press conference. His revenge will be much more subtle, and take some time. But Trump- even with all his spies who alert him to things days in advance- won't be aware of them. And he'll keep walking into big piles of shit

Mueller and his entire team are being discredited and the results of two years of exhaustive investigation is being scrubbed as we speak and manipulated to make it look like Trump has been cleared. Now as an ex marine I can see Mueller following chain of command. He was tasked with producing a report & giving it to the AG. That is what the rules said. It was always up to the AG to decide whether it was made public.

Now if Rod Rosenstein had any balls, he would leak that fucking report, intact, and then walk. But if he did that, he'd get fired and lose his pension and would be a pariah; no law firm would go near him. So the only recourse is to take them to court, which Nadler is getting ready to do, or to leak the fucker.

We have no way to know who has access to it, or how many copies there are. We do have the indictments and charging documents filed with the court, and those were very explicit. They would also be part of Mueller's report, so right now we have part of it in the public domain.

But the juicy stuff on Trump, Don, Jr., Jared, etc. has not been made public and there's a lot more. There's some very dangerous information in that report. After we were attacked by a foreign power on 9/11, the entire 1,000 page plus report was made public. So they need to stop with their "national security " bullshit.

This fucking AG is like J. Edgar Hoover. He used to have reports on people that included embarrassing, incriminating stuff, and he used it to blackmail them into doing his bidding. Barr having access to all this information, is totally unacceptable. Right now, Attorney General Barr is the most powerful person in our government. Think about that.

We need to raise pure hell about it, and yes, Adam Schiff is my hero. I'm so glad he decided not to run for President. He is right where he belongs. Shame on Joe Biden and anyone else who is not raising hell about this. I wish Feinstein would figure out how to get it out here. But she's Senate Judiciary, not Intel. So I don't know if she has access. One thing pissing the WH off is that Schiff is part of the Intel briefings. LOL! They have to let him see things.

Why won't anyone pursue the Shera Bechard story (any info on it is 8 most. old). Michael Cohen was Trump's private lawyer (except for a couple things he did for Sean Hannity). Cohen facilitated a payoff for this ex-Playboy model to have an abortion and accept hush money for $1.6 million- in the form of $200,000 payments. Then, in true Trump fashion, they stopped paying her. So she went back to court.

Trump got her pregnant-not wheezy, sleazy old Elliott Broidy. He's the stand-in for Trump!

We know Trump committed a crime by paying off Stormy Daniels and that other playboy model. BTW, Barr was the guy who got pardons from Bush 41 for the Iran Contra people...including Casper Weinberger Sr. Cap, Jr. is the corrupt prosecutor guy in NYC.

Slightly OT, but Bush 43 appointed judge just shot down Trump's attempt to bypass Obamacare, and called him on it. Said he was clearly making an endrun to undermine the Affordable Care act. LOL!

Also a bit OT, but indicative of the damages Trump is doing to our government institutions:

The Justice Department has grown increasingly hostile toward its own LGBT workers, causing top talent to quit as they experience discrimination and “declining morale,” according to a group of LGBT employees who confronted Attorney General Bill Barr in a letter this week.

Workers say the FBI academy discriminates against gays and Latinos and evaluates them more harshly, and that “many gay agents attending [the FBI academy] are dismissed because they are not ‘bro-y’ or masculine enough.”

“I am leaving the DOJ in part due to the DOJ’s treatment of its LGBTQ employees,” one worker said in a survey, while another complained, “The DOJ is no longer the welcoming, inclusive environment for LGBTQ employees that it once was.”

We have no more Nathan Hales, no more Daniel Ellsbergs.

Trump's OoJ was committed right on television FGS, about firing Comey over Russia, so how could Mueller not emphasize at least THAT crime?

But beyond that, we all know that Trump has committed treason. Are there no true patriots on the investigative team who will save this nation from becoming "Moscow on the Potomic"?

Fox’s Judge Napolitano: Schiff ‘Is Correct’ That Mueller Report Will Show Evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion.

“I think that Congressman Schiff is correct, in that report will be evidence of the existence of a conspiracy, not enough evidence to prove the existence beyond a reasonable doubt,” the judge told Fox Business host Neil Cavuto. “In that report will be evidence of obstruction of justice, interfering with an FBI investigation for a personal gain but not enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.”

The House through Nadler's, Cummings' or Schiff's committees, must insist Mueller give testimony with the sobpoened and pre-distributed copies of the original report.

Bypass that Trump arrogant and devious acting sychophant and "fixer", Mr. Barr. Anything Barr says and distributes cannot be embraced unless it is the verified original. Only Mueller can verify what he wrote. Only Mueller can explain and defend his findings.

^subpoenaed

Maybe mueller is waiting to stage a leak until after Barr’s fucked with version comes out to show how it was altered. Im feeling hopeful after seeing schiff shoot dagger glares at that piece of shit nunes and read all those repubs to FILTH!

So glad he shut them down and didnt let them respond. Fuck them!

[quote]Mueller and his entire team are being discredited

So if they're discredited, how does it follow that their conclusion on No collusion isn't discredited too? Or Barr's decision on no obstruction for that matter.

Will not provide a link to Fox Insider, but Lindsey Graham on Neil Cavuto's show yesterday, displayed a mini hissy-fit over Nancy Pelosi's critique of William Barr's summary and related behavior.

Sorry Lindsey, Nancy can out-sashay you and has truth on her side.

r384 They both represent The Commonwealth of KY (not the jelly) so well.

Ironic that Rosenstein, Mueller, and Barr go to the same church; The Mmes. Mueller and Barr are in the same Bible Study.

Rosenstein is a Jew. What church??!

Trump rallies have many of the same people bused around for each. Faces on TV can be recognized from prior events.

Barr - father born Jewish; raised Catholic

Mueller - raised Presbyterian; became Episcopalian

Rosenstein - Jewish

Doubtful they would go to the same church unless it is to attend a wedding, funeral, etc.

Look at this foolish shit!

FOX & FRIENDS TO VIEWERS: “You don’t want the full Mueller report. It’s too many pages to read.”

The hosts of “Fox & Friends” told their viewers on Friday that they shouldn’t be bothered by the fact that Attorney General Bob Barr still hasn’t released special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Barr on Sunday claimed in his written summary of Mueller’s report that the special counsel did not establish that the president was involved in a conspiracy with the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election, while also not exonerating him on obstruction of justice charges.

According to Fox’s morning show, that summary should be good enough for most Americans to believe the president did nothing wrong. In fact, co-host Ainsley Earhardt went so far as to say she was glad to have Barr’s summary instead of having to slog through 300 pages to get the report’s conclusions.

“The summary thing, everyone is probably thankful they don’t have to read the 300 pages,” she said. “We all will, probably, but you at home, you’re probably not going to sit down and read 300 pages, you want the summary.”

Co-host Brian Kilmeade then compared accepting Barr’s summary to reading the CliffsNotes of famous books, which he said was sufficient enough for most people to get the gist of what great literature is really about.

“I have a confession: I never ready [Homer’s] ‘The Odyssey,'” Kilmeade said. “I only read the Monarch notes. I still got a very good grade!”

“I have a confession: I never ready [Homer’s] ‘The Odyssey,'” Kilmeade said. “I only read the Monarch notes. I still got a very good grade!”

I guess reading isn't FUNdamental for him.

Humans are capable of doing so much better. It's a shame we are also way too easily influenced by shit stains on humanity. I personally don't even eat in a place that shows faux news on their TV sets. I can't imagine how horrible their kitchen standards must be.

Miss Lindsey needs to take her fire hydrant sized dildo and go home, the pissy bitch has far overstayed her welcome.

I suspect the only reason Mueller didn't say there was hard evidence of obstruction is because he never interviewed Trump. There's a lot of legal bullshit about "state of mind" and "intent" and at one point they wanted to interview Trump and that got blocked. Interesting. Barr may have been consulting long before his name surfaced for AG. BEcause he shut down the investigation into Iran Contra when it got too close to Bush. Special Prosecutor Walsh wanted access to 41's diary and Barr stopped it. They said it was all the pardons of the actors...like Casper Weinberger ,Sr. that forced Walsh to shut down the whole damned thing. So this time he shut down Mueller.

The thing is we don't know what evidence, hard or otherwise, Mueller laid out in either Conspiracy / Collusion or Obstruction cases. He didn't offer an opinion, right? Just laid out what the evidence was thusfar.... Barr took whatever evidence was there and "interpreted" it and judged by his own standards if they met the qualifications of collusion or obstruction.

As far as we know, Mueller laid out evidence that Drumpf licked Put Put's taint in exchange for fucking with the numbers and Barr's interpretation is that sexual acts don't count as collusion and unless we see actual evidence of Put Put's hand changing ballots, then there's nothing illegal!

Agree R415. I bet Mueller was directed by Barr to simply give us the facts, not your conclusions. Because your conclusions might be misinterpreted as accusing the POTUS of criminal acts and since we don't indict sitting Presidents, we can't accuse them of criminal acts. Not your job. But then, Barr himself jumps to conclusions as he always intended to do. I have to wonder how Mueller is feeling right now to know he is getting fucked in the ass with a hot poker.

Barr is not going to give any truthful details about the report. Skip this asshole. Call Mueller in to testify immediately

DL's rock of stability, Chuck Rosenberg brought up a very good point this morning regarding interviewing Trump. He said that if Mueller approached Trump's lawyer with an interview request, the lawyer's first question would be: Is he either the target or subject of the investigation. If the answer is yes, then the lawyer would say that my client intends to invoke the 5th amendment. CURRENT DOJ POLICY says if the person intends to invoke the 5th, then the they would not bring him in for questioning just to force the person to invoke the 5th amendment.

Fux noise literally tells their viewers they're too dumb to understand Mueller's report and the fools think it's a compliment.

The zombie apocalypse is upon us, people!

R417 I totally agree with you. I just cannot get over the fact that the Democrats, my people, keep assuming a set of rules or expecting people to do the right thing, and then they don't and they just roll all over the rules and make us look like impotent dummies. We need to pre empt them. We need to be like Pelosi when she said, "No. Wall Funding." Period. The Dems are not hard assed enough. I would assume from the moment BArr threw that four page memo out there exonerating Trump, that he would at the very least stand by what he wrote, and not back down. So if that was his opening shot, we have to assume he is colluding with the WH, protecting Trump, and we have to go hard at him. Take his ass to court, subpoena him, and trap him in lies. get him fired, leak bad shit out here about him. We are at war, dammit. We are at fucking war with these forces of evil.

I am living for the day when "Pencil-Necked Little Schitt" serves up a delicious banquet of stone cold revenge against Trump, and brings that depraved pig and his crime family down.

R389 Their right to be as crazy as they want ends when they put together kill lists on Twitter and Facebook. I was put on some list of resistance accounts to dox and I only tweeted about once a month. They pull up handles of people they deem liberal child molestors and talk about 'it's go time' and 'aim well'.

Twitter left the damn post up for three days and then finally deleted the post but didn't shut down the account. And he posted another kill list the next day. I left Twitter because of this. I reported the account to the FBI and so did several others.

And that's just one Q account doing shit like that.

This Q person or persons are encouraging highly unstable, highly armed people to commit violence.

I don’t know why but I’m not worried about these crooks anymore. The tide is turning on them, even with their summary stunt. It didn’t take.

I think he has peaked and we are slowly coming around the bend. The support just isn’t there. The con is fading and the writing is on the wall.

This got surprisingly little attention, but a couple of years ago 4chan doxxed resisters who signed a petition created by Refuse Fascism, an antifa group associated with the Revolutionary Communist Party. (The RCP is a small, kooky fringe group that isn't going to overthrow anything anytime soon.) Most of the signers didn't know that, as the petition was just a general statement repudiating Trump and the alt-right vs., say, a call to arms for the proletariat, but in hindsight it was ill-advised because it gave the alt-right ammo in the form of OMG LOOK AT ALL THESE COMMIES!

He looked terrible at the rally last night. He’s changed from orange to green.

It also looked like his Botox has worn off and the skin was just loose and hangy.

I think all this is taking his it’s toll on the old timer. He’s 85, right? That’s about when Ronnie hit the skids.

400 pages not 300.

[quote] CURRENT DOJ POLICY says if the person intends to invoke the 5th, then the they would not bring him in for questioning just to force the person to invoke the 5th amendment.

But Trump would have been on record to have used the 5th amendment to avoid answering Mueller's questions. Given how Trump ignores and shits on political protocol and political etiquette why was he still treated in a favorable manner?

so we're getting a redacted version in mid-April

I wonder how much of the damaging stuff he'll cover up

that piece of shit

I don’t get Muellers complete silence. I don’t buy that he can’t have a quick press conference saying that he’s done and this is what he found.

I don’t believe that he can’t at least write a letter to congress saying as much or communicate something to the public or congress as a matter of course upon completing an investigation.

I think Congress wants to read the report before they have Mueller and Barr testify

You just know that Barr probably let Trump already read the report (or perhaps it was a PowerPoint with pictures and highlights - there’s no way in hell that Trump could read something 300+ pages long). It’s a very Devin Nunes move.

The Fox News victory tour is not really taking and that rally last night was pathetic.

People deserve to know what happened, play by play, even if they didn’t take the bait. We need to know in detail what exactly happened and so we can prevent it in 2020.

It’s our elections we’re talking about. The people have a right to know.

unfortunately the Grand Jury stuff will likely stay redacted

What's Qanon going to make of this cover-up?

I wish Anonymous could track down the Mueller report.

Does Ivanka receive a copy?

Barr writes that, "My March 24 letter was not, and did not purport to be, an exhaustive recounting of the Special Counsel's investigation or report ... my notification to Congress and the public provided, pending release of the report, a summary of its "principal conclusions."

Number 4. is the doozy.

Nicole Wallace has earned a prime time show. Maybe at 7pm.

[quote]Number 4. is the doozy.

Yes, "peripheral third parties" can cover a lot of ground, depending on what Barr's definition of peripheral is.

The AG looks like Elton John.

Is he changing his tune?

I wonder how many of those 400 pages we will see. 50 if we're lucky.

Buzzfeed is chomping at the bit.

I have it on good authority from a staffer for a high ranking senator that the news of this has made him quite ill.

I was told it started off as nausea and has progressed to coming out both ends at the same time.

The news of what, R444? And who?

Trump looks like he has endless diarrhea.

[r445] the news of the report being released. For some it’s not great news

This new Barr letter that came out an hour or so ago seems to say the right things but I’ve gotten to this point where I just do not trust anyone in that administration. I just assume they are lying or trying to snow the public.

The issue of him redacting peripheral third parties in order to save their reputations seems really off to me though. If you participated in this fucking scheme in any way, you deserve to have your reputation destroyed. These Republicans just coddle and protect their own at literally every corner rather than stand up for truth and country.

[quote]The issue of him redacting peripheral third parties in order to save their reputations seems really off to me though.

Why are you looking at us?

News of what, exactly, r444?

The report coming out?

[quote]For some it’s not great news

How odd. Mr President has bellowed that the illegal witch-hunt hoax has nonetheless cleared him of everything bad ever. Surely that goes for his hand-picked staff of the very best people too.

Maybe it's best if wicked Mr Mueller's report is available in full - so his witch-hunt of sick lies can be laid bare; and all those GOP stalwarts can rest easy and focus on MAGA. That would be the best way forward for the country.

Here's the real Trump-Russia Hoax...

Oh well. So much for that summary stunt. Another in a string of failed attempts at distractions.

The Teflon is slowly but surely wearing off.

Donald Trump’s Talent for Turning Wins Into Losses:

Like a gambler who can’t get up from the table, Trump’s life has been defined by manic overreaching whenever he feels he’s on top

[quote]unfortunately the Grand Jury stuff will likely stay redacted

A judge can order otherwise. Also, the witnesses of a grand jury are free to discuss whatever they like about their testimony or anything else. Members no, but witnesses of the grand jury, yes. So, maybe we'll have some interviews coming up soon.

The Dems should try to persuade some of those grand jury witnesses to appear before Congress.

I think what's going to happen is Barr will ignore Nadler's demand of the full report and he'll give a highly redacted version. This will let repubs continue the scheme that nothing bad happened. Democrats will have to fight for more release and the media will make it seem partisan "on both sides". The repubs will make it seem like the Democrats "lost" and "are sore losers grasping at straws" by wanting "more and more" of the report.

So I think we're going to continue to be disappointed.

I just want some brave soul to leak the damn thing. All that needs to be redacted are sources and methods, NOTHING ELSE

If it is heavily redacted (and you know it will be) I just hope we get every single page of the 400 pages with all those black boxes, just so America can see how crap is being kept from them.

And agreed about Barr's 4th point: utter and complete fuckery.

Yes we can wait around for the thing to leak but why be so weak? Nadler, Congressional Dems, all concerned parties need to examine EVERY avenue by which to obtain and view an unredacted version of this report. Fat Bob is not a crowned head here, stop acting like he is one. Yes he can make things very difficult, can redact, hold out, stall and everything else he's paid to do as a Good Trump Toady.

There is precedent - the Ken Starr report on Clinton was publicly released the 1st day it was available. The rules changed since then? Well CHANGE THEM BACK.

Aren't House leaders supposed to be able to view in unredacted? Like in a SCIF or something similar. We can start there at least.

It’s a race now, isn’t it? The Democrats hurry to get the unredacted report while Barr struggles to get the redacted version out first. Winner makes the next big impression on the independent voters.

Nixon's Grand Jury wanted to indict him. I wonder if Trump's felt the same way.

Wait! Barr released ANOTHER letter today? A Friday AGAIN?

r444, when you say him, do you mean trump?

I know it's a broken record at this point, but imagine if any other candidate sold merchandise like this.

Trump is the biggest fucking loser ever.

r465...and a sitting president.

That shirt is a fucking DISGRACE and needs to be shut down IMMEDIATELY. That is unacceptable.

How about a t-shirt of Melania with her legs wide open and her twat replaced by a photo of the Holland Tunnell? That would work for me.

JMO but there is something creepily "old white man member of hardcore GOP" about Mueller. I'll trust -maybe- but verify. And come on people. He was appointed by Rod Rosenstein who is old man GOP as well. The entire DOJ appointments by Trump are GOP and are willing to protect Trump over anything-esp. country. I wouldn't be surprised if Barr and Mueller-supposedly friends with wives in same bible study- aren't on the same page.

Schiff also cut that scumbag's mic off when he kept asking for time. These are all a bunch of morons. I am sick of waiting on elections we should be storming the gates.

Barr's #4 may pertain to E. Prince's visit to the Seychelles Islands, Cambridge Analytica's activities, Rebekah Mercer. Junior Mint, Kushner, Ivanka, Bannon, Corsi, Nunes, PAC recipients of oligarch money, Carter Page, Deutsch Bank, pee tape as addendum. etc.

Maddow points out that Barr is now putting more limits or conditions on the release of his version of the report, than he stated two days ago. She asked "What happened to cause him to add more conditions." Well, for sure he had a meeting with Lindsey Graham...for which he apologized because Nadler raised hell about it. The House leadership gave Barr until Tuesday to turn over the report. So now he responds by telling them, in effect, no, not until we have redacted etc. so maybe mid-April. He's also trying to clean up his mess "clarifying" what he meant with the summary. I suspect he is being pressured by Mueller on one side and by Trump on the other. Barr is fucked. WE need to apply MORE pressure on him. Pour. It. On.

Lindsey Graham taking it upon herself to collaborate as to what goes into Barr's version of the report is immensely inappropriate.

I hate them.

Me too, R475. I am holding on, but barely.

The Cover Up is worse than the crime.

Except when you are Trump.

Both are bad and both are entertaining.

[quote]The issue of him redacting peripheral third parties in order to save their reputations seems really off to me

If these parties aren't indicted and did nothing wrong, why would their reputations need a Shining Barr Knight to save them with a cover-up?

Something for the House Committee to put on the list of the Barr hearing.

[quote] I wonder how much of the damaging stuff he'll cover up

All of it.

Cover up all you want Barr, but be prepared for an old fashioned ass whipping when the full unredacted version makes it way to the public. It’s inevitable; that report will make its way to the streets.

Adam Schiff in the Trump movie:

Barr's #4 likely pertains to Lindsey Graham's extracurricular activities.

That would explain Graham’s inappropriate dinner with Barr.

The Rethugs lost their shit when Bill chatted with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac.

Trump's lackey spends a whole dinner colluding with Barr, and crickets.

[quote]Schiff also cut that scumbag's mic off when he kept asking for time.

Adam put those bitches IN CHECK yesterday and I loved every fucking minute of it.

[quote] These are all a bunch of morons. I am sick of waiting on elections we should be storming the gates.

THIS x 1000.

Bill Maher on Lindsay Graham: "I don't know for a fact that 'It's Raining Men' is Lindsay's ringtone, I just know it's true!"

As someone watching this from the other side of the globe it strikes me how critical it was that the 'good guys' got control of the House in your midterms, especially since your media seems to have just lapped up Barr's version and have really only begun questioning it as the wider rumbles became louder in the past couple of days. Why do you think that is, that outlets such as the NYT and WP just rolled over and began writing 'Muller report says Trump exonerated ...' articles when it wasn't even the fucking Mueller report, just a four-page summary by someone who has prior form when it comes to cover-ups? You can get why Fox would do it, but why all the others? The abject failure of the vast bulk of your traditional media is one of the most striking aspects of this whole shitshow. Thank dog for social media and people who don't just accept stuff at face value.

Bill Maher's show was awful tonight. Andrew Sullivan and SE Cupp. Both crying about how we hurt the feeling of the Trump supporters. Maher was beside himself thru the whole show.

Preet Bharara was on. Am I the only person who thinks this, or is Bharara a physically beautiful man? I think he has amazing eyes, he dresses well, and such a lovely, calm speaker.

[quote]He's also trying to clean up his mess "clarifying" what he meant with the summary. I suspect he is being pressured by Mueller on one side and by Trump on the other. Barr is fucked. WE need to apply MORE pressure on him. Pour. It. On.

Agreed x 1 million. Barr knows he's in an impossible situation, but tough. Work for the devil by all means - but you'll be a disgrace in the eyes of the world soon enough, and forever on the wrong side of history.

It's just possible that the sheer numbers pressurising Barr daily to Do The Right Thing could urge him to capitulate, and cleanse himself from Trump's grip of corruption.

I was asking a while back that IF Meuller's report contains incriminating information on other politicians it could very well qualify as beyond the legal scope he could investigate. If it reveals any crimes or misbehavior by, say, a Repug congressmen, that it could be damaging to an "innocent" third party.

If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if most of it is redacted.

r457. I never trust polls, but FWIW, nearly 70% of the total population wants to see an unredacted report.

R481 There is the suggestion that Ellen plays Lindsey Graham in the Trump movie.

Well, who played Eleanor Roosevelt in movies?

Any admission of the report being held back and being redacted cannot be a win for Trump and the Right Wing (including the Deplorables), because that reeks of a cover up.

But... But Eleanore loved the V thing. I cannot possibly see Ms. Lindsay display much cred in that regard. Think John Travolta panicked deer-in-the-highlight intimate scenes with Lily Tomlin bad!

Miss Lindsey needs to have his cock gargling ways screamed from the rooftops until every member of his bigoted inbred voting block knows he's a raging faggot and they'll be compelled by their beloved Lord Almighty to reject him for the sin of "lying with a man as with a woman", it's time we used what we do know to turn the Reps psychotic base against them.

I can't decide if the frame of mind these people who join the Trump corruption they call an "administration" late in the game is. Is it that they really don't know what a con artist and lowlife the man is and how laughable his administration's internal workings are, or they don't care and figure they'll suffer through as long as they can just to get their names in lights long enough so they'll benefit after they either give up and flee for their very lives, or get fired.

[quote]It's just possible that the sheer numbers pressurising Barr daily to Do The Right Thing could urge him to capitulate, and cleanse himself from Trump's grip of corruption.

Let's just keep reminding Barr that Nixon AG John Mitchell spent 19 months in prison for his actions during Watergate.

R498, I'm curious as to Barr's background. Not talking abut him with Bush and Iran Contra. That was bad. But I'm talking about since then, who have his clients been and how was he persuaded to leave his cushy law firm to shovel shit for Trump. We need, right now to make Barr the focus of all our ire about the report. He needs to feel public pressure public anger, and scrutiny as he never has before. HE can't hide from this. I want to see him confronted in restaurants, stores, airports, and anywhere else he rears his bullfrog head. If he goes to temple, or to church or WTF. I don't want him to be able to take a shit without being frightened of a confrontation. I want him to know his work product is being rejected with outrage. That's what he needs to feel. Outrage. And Pelosi better keep her pointy high heels right up his ass.

It cracks me up that after all these years, dozens of firings and resignations in this administration, criminal activity.........the most incompetent remain. It’s an utter joke that Ben Carson, Rick Perry and Betsy soldier on.

[quote]Let's just keep reminding Barr that Nixon AG John Mitchell spent 19 months in prison for his actions during Watergate.

Absolutely perfect precedent. Please let this go viral, so it's a fact in everyone's head, referenced often by sane news anchors.

As stated above, Real Time was pretty annoying last night. SE Cupp was extra pro-trumpers...more so than I think I've ever seen her. Her and the other guy wouldn't let go that his supporters aren't bad people. I love Bill because he wasn't just letting them say it. Bill made an insulin joke about deplorables, that was of course hysterical, and the guy naturally had to make it all 'poor deplorables'. New Rules about Scandinavian counties being happiest was amazing. Pete was good also.

Right on, r480, r488 and r500.

Me too, r489.

If you run into Barr, or any members of his family, please make sure to remind them about John Mitchell.

The people who believe Barr are the same people who believed Ping Pong Pizza.

Another big weekend in Mara-A-Lago. It costs taxpayers millions each time.

But THE DIVAS! Who's the top diva that may be there? Melania? Ivanka? Kimberly Guilfoyle (Pooh Bear)? Lara Trump? Li Yang? Kellyanne? Sarah Huckabee? Rebekah Mercer? Betsy DeVos? Elaine Chao? Trudy Giuliani in drag? Miss Lindzey?

Damn, just thought of a new thread with a poll.

R507 Don't forget me, Ms. Wendi Deng Murdoch!

Thanks, r508. Of course!

Lindsey Graham, particularly as Senate Judiciary Committee Chair, absolutely has no business meddling into the content of the Mueller Report prior to its release. It is absurd arrogance and unethical Graham would attempt such. It is unprofessional, disgusting, and clearly out-of-bounds for Barr to even entertain such, and to have met with Graham for this purpose. Graham is not on the DoJ staff nor part of the Mueller investigative team. Being a Trump sycophant and prime enabler, makes such even worse.

Graham's job is to anticipate the Mueller Report in a timely fashion with as few redactions as possible. His job is not to conspire to edit it to be more favorable to Trump prior to release. And yet, Graham's colleagues in the Senate allow him to do this shit. Why is not ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Diane Feinstein, not loudly calling foul? Do your job Feinstein, and you too Schumer, per this matter.

Lindsey Graham has classic gayface.

R493 Ellen is too masculine to play Grahame.

Lindsey Graham has classic old woman in drag face R511.

Another loss for Drumpf -

WASHINGTON — In a legal blow to President Trump’s push to expand offshore oil and gas development, a federal judge ruled that an executive order by Mr. Trump that lifted an Obama-era ban on oil and gas drilling in the Arctic Ocean was unlawful. The decision, by Judge Sharon Gleason in the United States District Court for the District of Alaska, concluded late Friday that President Barack Obama’s 2015 and 2016 withdrawal of about 125 million acres of Arctic Ocean from drilling “will remain in full force and effect unless and until revoked by Congress.” She wrote that an April 2017 executive order by Mr. Trump revoking the drilling ban “is unlawful, as it exceeded the president’s authority.”

That’s right! Another loss to the fat pig. Disgusting piece of shit.

[quote]“is unlawful, as it exceeded the president’s authority.”

As if this blissfully sane judgement couldn't be repeated ten thousand times for other cases. That's who he is, visible from outer space.

Please let this summary judgement be repeated ad infinitum with reference to Mueller's report. It could not possibly be more opportune and important.

Graham is starting early campaigning. Trump sent Pence to help. Wonder if 'Mother' came along to observe?

Democrats don't have a declared candidate yet in SC.

How much in denial are those hicks about the prissy queen who they've been sending to the Senate all these years? And are they realy hornswoggled by her act whenever La Senatrice tries to act all tough and profane?

r503 SE Cupp is full of shit. All of them are. Not one talking head who moans about the poor Deplorables would be caught dead spending time with one.

Come on, SE....come to a Deplorable town in the middle of nowhere. You'd enjoy the only gourmet restaurant in town- Subway. Come sit with the locals for some coffee and talk about the n-words working on the road crew down the way.

How about a cozy day in someone's kitchen cooking meth? Would you like that?

Or how about spending a day on the farm with a bunch of raging racist assholes who are also dumber than their piles of manure? You can help them fill out their bankruptcy papers while chatting about how smart Trump is and display a level of cognitive dissonance never seen before.

Come on the 3rd or 15th of month so you can celebrate check day. Every Deplorable who gets welfare and disability really needs it, but all the brown people are cheating the system. It's really weird how that works out.

Deplorables are trash. Even those who might have decent jobs and live in decent houses and speak in complete sentences are absolute trash at heart. Those of us stuck out here with them know it, and so does SE Cupp.

I have to be honest — and I am owning that perhaps I missed something — but I didn’t hear over the top defending of Deplorables on Maher. I’m most certainly not defending them!! I will say though that I don’t believe ALL Trump voters are evil. Some are just truly ignorant and only see Fox News. I think they maybe represent say 1/4 - 1/3 of his base. So, if I were to give people like SE the benefit of the doubt, I would like to think that THOSE are the people she is referring to.

And didn’t her line about the Forgotten Man mean that the actual racists deserve their fate of being forgotten? That’s the first time I’ve heard that broad talk, I know she’s BFF’s with Megan McCain, so I already dislike her for that, but I didn’t notice anything extraordinarily offensive by her on Maher. Carry on.

To me there is no redeeming quality in someone who supports Trump. His supporters represent everything that's wrong with this world right now.

That congresswoman from Michigan was kind of whinging on a bit about being nice to be deplorables. I suspect she turned a red district blue, so it's part of her shtick. I get that, but she was so endlessly humorless about it.

What the fuck do you want her to do r522? She lives with those people and she’s been elected to represent them. Should should pull her pants down and take a dump on a plate with a picture of Trump on it on Maher’s desk? Would that satisfy you that she isn’t co-signing racism? I doubt it would be enough for you.

I find it hard to believe that Barr sent out that second letter just because he had some time on his hands while doing the laundry. He sent it out because he knows exactly how badly the first letter played. If he's just in it for the paycheck, then he wouldn't care how badly that first letter was received. So maybe he's starting to think about doing the right thing - not because he wants to, but because he's more concerned about saving his own ass than Trump's.

Let's hope he takes a page out of Michael Cohen's book on how not to count on Trump's loyalty when your own ass is on the line.

Of course hes trying to save his own ass....the minute people started comparing him to John Mitchell and talking about obstruction charges, he realized he might very well go to prison himself. He is arrogant and thought he could get away with it like he did in the past...but in the past at least the players were shrewd and knew what they were doing.

Or he probably actually finally read the fucking report and realized "Holy Shit!"

I hope so R526 but I have little faith that Bob Barr, as arrogant as he is would come around. He's a pig and he looks like one too!

[quote]Let's hope he takes a page out of Michael Cohen's book on how not to count on Trump's loyalty when your own ass is on the line.

Trump on Barr soon: "I think I recall AG Barr, fat-faced geeky guy, hired him as a clerk but his work wasn't big-league. I understand he has a nice family."

[quote]That congresswoman from Michigan was kind of whinging on a bit about being nice to be deplorables. I suspect she turned a red district blue, so it's part of her shtick.

Her district went for Obama twice and then Trump. Hard to paint all those voters as deplorables.

Fox News anchor Chris Wallace burst Fox viewers’ bubble Friday, informing them that the Russia investigation did not begin with the infamous Steele dossier.

Barr was hired to kill the Mueller investigation and then clear Trump and his inner circle. He managed the first. The second is more complicated with his redacting, editing, and delaying. He can't be sure the original won't be repressed due to leaking, court rulings, Congressional subpoenas, and public demand. He can either decide to do what's right and ethical, or get caught doing more dirty deeds for DJT and further injure his reputation. Playing "fixer" for Trump will not end well. Calling on Miss Lindsey for help shows his agenda is not admirable.

[quote]Fox News anchor Chris Wallace burst Fox viewers’ bubble Friday, informing them that the Russia investigation did not begin with the infamous Steele dossier.

Like they can comprehend that or care. Just like they can't comprehend or care that the Steele Dossier was originally funded by Republican and turned in to the FBI by a Republican.

R520, their ignorance is their choice. No sympathy.

R533, I agree with that, I really do — *zero* tolerance for bigotry of *any* kind. But I think there is a slight fraction of “Deplorables” who aren’t fully Deplorable, they are actual victim of Fox News. They have been blatantly lied to by a TV station, and it’s totally legal — I guarantee they don’t understand how much they are being lied to, they don’t know the history of the Fairness Doctrine, nor are they sophisticated enough to understand the insidious nature of Russia on SM.

At the end of the day though, I can’t say I have sympathy for them either. Life isn’t fair. We all have to pick a side, don’t we? I guess the distinction I’m trying to make is that (in theory) I deal with Deplorables on an individual basis. It’s not like I have daily contact with them in my life, so I haven’t been able to test my theory. And let me put it like this; as strong as my instincts are to treat people as individuals, I also would openly laugh with great delight if a bunch of Antifa’s literally kicked a bunch of their asses. You know, the Snowflake Libtards. I would laugh.

I disagree, R534. Fox News viewers are not poor, helpless, victims who were tricked into believing what Fox was telling them. People have known for decades that Fox News lies... people who continue watching do so willingly. They're not unaware that they're being lied to... they like it because it's exactly what they want to hear.

Lindsey Graham & Mike Pence encounter protests in Greenville, SC, from Democrats, and from some rightwingers. Trump sychophant, Graham, is launching his re-election campaign.

Lindsey is not as popular as he thinks. His efforts to suppress the Mueller Report has generated some angry people.

[quote]Lindsey is not as popular as he thinks. His efforts to suppress the Mueller Report has generated some angry people.

He's like Melania... he doesn't care.

Trump is a whore and a crook, it's all that really matters here. We can blather about Russia and evidence and oh all sorts of things, but Trump is a whore and a crook. All he's ever been. All he'll ever be.

R535, that is a valid point I haven’t considered.

Fox News viewers are like smokers who are proud to be smokers.

The law is a funny thing. Both sides can weaponize it. I think Barr felt like he could bluff and bullshit his way through dealing with the report, because he believes, that his position confers credibility and he can say something "with authority" .But he's working for Trump so he conveys nothing but shit IMO, no credibility, and no authority. And even though what he may be attempting is "legal" we aren't buying it, and we may feel like he is treading very close to obstruction because he has "corrupt intent." That term was thrown around a lot. He is using his position to protect a pig who broke the fucking law. Consequences. Dear General Barr: when you stand too close to a shit slide, some of it is going to get all over you.

I honestly don't understand how, if this is the case, Barr would even think Democrats would just let him get away with a summary and that it wouldn't come out that he was burying more damning information.

Of course he would think he could...hes done it before...Iran-Contra....notice that immediately the GOP started with the victory march and started attacking democrats and the press. It the GOP m.o...get ahead of the story and lie your ass off....once the narrative is out there and repeated enough, the less likely people will believe the truth when it comes out. Thats why Barr is still playing games...and will continue to do so...meaning it could take months to get the report. What do you think the narrative will be by then ?

Will Congress hold Barr in contempt?

It has to be remembered that Deplorables also work in office parks and cubicles, live in nice Red State and even Blue State suburbs (Lawn Guyland, for example), and are aspirational in terms of class and consumer status. And they are just as happy to "own the libs" as stereotypical trailer trash in the South and Rust Belt.

Never let them forget...

[quote]Why do you think that is, that outlets such as the NYT and WP just rolled over and began writing 'Muller report says Trump exonerated ...' articles when it wasn't even the fucking Mueller report, just a four-page summary by someone who has prior form when it comes to cover-ups?

Oh that one's easy. Access journalism has thoroughly killed that profession in the US.

It's vastly more important for these bozos to keep their WH sources than getting at the truth.

R544, the news cycle is so fast now, though. Barr's first letter, the four-page cover-up, exploded in his face almost immediately. He now has to try to hack and slash his way through 400 pages, inventing a new version of the report, in about a week or two, and by then several new narratives could have taken off. This is not a process he can control.

R535 it's what they want to hear yes but they also don't know they're being lied to. Fox has convinced them that Fox is the truth and the mainstream media (everyone else) are the liars. Up is down and down is up.

I don't have sympathy for them because anyone who thinks that way is a moron but those people exist. They really think Trump, Hannity, Dobbs, Pirro, Carlson, Ingraham etc are truthful.

Still disagree, R550, they know they're being lied to, they don't care. They enjoy that what they hear is being "reported on" as "truth."

It allows them to live in a world where they are, "right."

They don't think any of those people are telling the truth, are you kidding? They readily admit Dotard lies, but they accept that he lies because it makes it easier for them to continue justify being hateful assholes.

R551 do you know any deplorables? unfortunately I do. The ones I know do not think Fox or Trump are lying. They really don't. It's like a cult

Yes, I do, R552. And they know Dotard lies and they still support him because he's "doing what they want and getting it done!"

Well if Trump doesn’t try to get SNL shut down after tonight he never will.

Haven't watched SNL since November 2016. What made tonight worse than any other for Dotard?

Here's the thing about Fox News viewers. There is not one of them who hasn't been told by some relative or some neighbor or some article accidentally viewed in passing that Fox is right wing propaganda. They have never, even once, bothered to check out any other news source. As someone who relates the most to MSNBC, I still go out of my way to see what other people are saying because I don't want to live in an echo chamber. Fox viewers never, ever do that. They choose their ignorance. They know Fox News is a bunch of lies because they've been told multiple times in their lives that it's filled with lies. They don't care to either confirm it or seek out proof for their case. They choose to wallow in the lies.

R556 Fox hosts routinely tell their viewers that the mainstream media is all lies so a lot of Fox viewers think everyone else is getting false information that is biased towards Democrats/liberals and that in reality, truth favors repubs/conservatives. It really is a cult. The people I know do not think Fox is propaganda or bs. They think the mainstream media is bs liberal propaganda. It's hard for those of us who don't fall prey to that garbage to understand, but a lot of them really think that way. They do choose to be ignorant but the Fox hosts take advantage of that and convince them to distrust mainstream media and Democrats. It's nuts

[quote] it's what they want to hear yes but they also don't know they're being lied to. Fox has convinced them that Fox is the truth and the mainstream media (everyone else) are the liars. Up is down and down is up.

Fox viewers want to be told that they, and their bigoted point of views, are right and the rest, the Liberals and the so-called lamestream media, is wrong. You honestly think the viewers are not aware of the shameless lies and hypocrisy of those who represent their point of view? It's the price they are willing to pay to keep holding on to those conservative values. Their idols lie and cheat "for the greater good" and for that all the heinous and immoral crimes are justified, because the Liberals are supposedly much, much worse (hence, Hillary's emails!).

Fox News and the Republicon party are cults, yes... but anyone who thinks the cultists aren't aware that they're being lied to and that they choose to be willfully ignorant is giving them way too much credit.

You guys nailed it re Fux "News": Deplorables are relishing being "right" and being validated on a daily basis by their Agent Orange Fuhrer. Finally, they are validated and vindicated by all of his horseshit because Dump "tells it like it is" and "shows 'em who's boss: USA! USA!"

They will cling to this like grim death because on some level, they know that in 20 years, white people will NOT ne in the minority so they are going to milk this as long as possible and at any cost, even resorting to violence, treason, or conspiracy with hostile foreign governments, in order to "win".

Its toxic and vile and as Un-American as possible.

Fux has been there as their altar to worship Dotard Dotard Bone Spurs each and every step of the way.

*in 20 years, white people will NOT be in the majority

My food stamps cousin and her three teen aged kids love Trump. Love him. When I ask her how she can support specific things like putting kids in cages or taking babies away from their mothers, she says stuff like, "Well why did the mothers even bring them here? It's the parents fault!"

Then I point out that he wants to fuck with health insurance and get rid of the Pre-existing condition thing, and that her insulin (she's diabetic) is getting expensive because they're letting Big Pharma get away with murder." And she says, "Oh, "they" won't let that happen!" And, she continues to engage in her magical thinking.

When you finally corner her, she says, "Look, I 'm not a robot. There's stuff I disagree with, but I just like him. I like the kind of person he is. He's very entertaining and I enjoy him. I think the media picks on him way too much, and I think his kids are hot. " Then she shows you the purse she bought at T.J. Maxx with Ivanka's name on it.

R561, that will happen in way less than 20 years.

R562, your cousin sounds like a dumb cunt.

I heard a Trumptard ranting about how they need to investigate Obama and his admin about the Trump collusion thing. Is this a Fox talking point? He also ranted about Hillary’s uranium sale and her foundation. I mentioned Trump’s foundation being a criminal org and the Uranium deal was spun wrong and he just got madder. It’s useless trying to reason with them.

R564, IMO my cousin is like a lot of Trump supporters. Low information and a disconnected from the cause and effect reality of what he does and how it affects her. She is a pretty good representation of millions of people who support him.

I currently live among the poor white Deplorables in a deeply red part of a blue state. They certainly do believe what Fox tells them. They do not know it is all lies because it confirms what they want to believe.

I have no sympathy for them, but I do understand where some of their anger comes from: the State and Fed money surely isn't being pumped into their town, and rural America is declining as a whole.

R562, I think I know your cousin:

The thing I want to make clear is my cousin is "non ideological." She's not an evangelical. She is not someone who goes to rallies, or wears a red hat. She's not some activist. Neither are her kids. They "don't like politics." They're the people who tell you "They're all crooked. They all lie." She works at a dead end job, her kids are mediocre.

She hangs out in the working class neighborhood bar to play darts twice a week, and spends the rest of her leisure time on the couch with a bag of Doritos. She goes to those house parties where they sell candles, and watches reality TV. She can tell you everything about the Kardashians. She reads the National Enquirer and hates Meghan Markle but she's "not racist." When she's placed on the defensive she yells, " The Blacks are more racist that Whites!"

She watches Fox when she watches the news, and she has a lot of nonspecific grievances & anxieties. None of her friends are politically active, they all love Trump, and she will walk over hot coals to help her friends and family. She's got an open wallet, will cook for you, or pick you up from the ER at 3 AM.

My whole point in drawing this profile, is that my cousin, I believe, represents the majority of Trump supporters. They don't want to be confused by facts. They are decidedly non intellectual, they don't read anything challenging they own beliefs. They are suspicious, defeated people whose lives are mostly lived off camera, not parading around demonstrating, or at rallies.

How do we deal with them? This may seem super cynical. But I would safely bet that before Trump, the celebrity, they didn't vote. And if Trump went away, they would fade back into the woodwork. They would not participate. Grievance voters have been unleashed, but fool that I am, we can still put them back in the bottle.

I think if we force this country to go more to the Left, and people start depending on the services and benefits that brings, we can stop this Rightward drift. it won't happen over night, but we can salvage this.

I'm not talking about a radical Left turn, but more like providing healthcare,saving the environment, gun safety, jobs to rebuild infrastructure, free college for those in need, good job training opportunities, etc. It takes maybe a generation of establishing and protecting those initiatives, like Obamacare, but we can prevail.

I don't think the US will survive Trump being allowed to serve his term in full. If Trump does not get punished in a big way, it will attract copycats who will try to pull the same shit as Trump to get elected and the media will love it and poison the masses all over again. I wish people like Pelosi would realize that.

R570- Not only will this motherfucker serve his term in full, he will be reelected for another 4 years.

Anyone who cannot see this has their head in the sand.

We do not have a strong enough candidate to overcome the absolute morons will once again vote for this man.

After this Mueller debacle, there was not a doubt in my mind that Trump will be reelected.

David Bossie was predictably repugnant today on ABC This Week. Shame on guest moderator Jonathan Karl for not sharply rebuking his calling Adam Schiff “Little Adam Schiff.”

I hate these pieces of shit so much.

As if Jonathan Karl would correct anyone....hes one of the hacks who kiss the white houses ass and helps peddle their narrative.

R565 YES those are Fox talking points. Fox has convinced their viewers that Obama, Hillary, Loretta Lynch, Susan Rice, Eric Holder, James Comey, James Clapper, Brennan all "got away" with crimes during Obama's 2 terms, should be investigated and locked up but the "deep state" protects them. Fox also says that to distract from everything, the deep state has invented fake crimes of Trump and his associates and those people are being unfairly targeted/locked up aka witch hunt. This is exactly what most hosts on Fox are spewing

Well, I watched Joy Reid this morning and her panelists served it to the Media who recklessly and irresponsibly drank the kool aid talking about the Mueller report without anyone having seen it. They singled out CNN as totally mis representing what happened the media took too long to revise their headlines and fully report what was really happening. It gave Trump and his cohorts time to spin this and gain traction with his base and a lot of other people. Eric Boehlert was especially good. He said it was dangerous and shame on the media. I needed to watch Joy Ann Reid.

It may be stupid and/or naïve, but I'm holding out hope that the Repub. and Independent women who held their noses and voted for Trump won't do the same in 2020. The separation of children at the border was a line crossed with most of them, and they need to be reminded of that policy every day until November 3rd next year.

R569, that's very eye opening. Thank you for sharing. I have no answers on how to get rid of Trump. We can vote, but I feel outnumbered by the Trump supporters. And from talking to some, the way we feel now is how they felt for the 4 years Obama was in office. They now feel that with Trump, they have their America back again. And come hell or high water, they are not giving that up ever again.

I know this is a bit off topic, but I wanted to talk a little about the deplorables I know. My sister works I need health care, her husband for Microsoft. I don't know what they earn, but he just bought a plane.

They hate each other. My sister has her masters and a strong sense she is being taken advantage of by the world. She is a bully and can't handle being challenging in any way.

They are trump supporters. Plenty of wealthy white people are. White women who believed the world owed they everything reach middle age and find out, no. They hurt the people they can, vulnerable people. They don't dare tell their husbands/bosses off. They are bullies.

R577, they can keep trump, we vote up and down the line as Dems. Every seat, local, regional, state. This country is so much more than a pack of racists.

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R578, that's how I plan to vote.

It really is true if you talk about upper middle class voters who went for Trump-it was because of white identity politics and not the economy. Now, Fox did convince them that the economy was failing under Obama and they also blamed the recession on him (even though it happened during Bush's last year). Fox immediately acted like the economy had revived the day Trump got into office. Of course that's impossible as economies don't rise or fall in a day, even a month-they take time. They built Trump up like he was a genius miracle worker despite all the positive trends just being a continuation of Obama's results.

Fox at the same made the appeal that Trump "tells it like it is" aka going back to the 1950's and before that when it was OK to hurl racial, misogynistic, xenophobic, antisemitic, Islamophobic, homophobic insults and nothing bad happens to you. Deplorables LOVE seeing Trump "say what's not PC" and not get shunned or in trouble for it.

Right now Jussie Smollett is the #1 social issue on Fox. He is now seen as a "another liberal who got away with it". Fox gets ratings by riling up their viewers to be perpetually angry and Smollett accomplishes that by making up that hoax that MAGA guys attacked him.

The Covington boys were the #1 social injustice before that.

These male and female deplorables only care about protecting, supporting and increasing the power of white, straight, xtian male power

I had dinner with my parents this weekend. Both of them are Trump voters and daily Fox News viewers. We veered into immigration somehow and before I could steer us away, my mother said something about how is the country supposed to pay for al the immigrants streaming in by the hundreds daily. It just felt like such a Fox News talking point (broadcast alongside out-dated video of the crowds breaking down a fence from last year). I mentioned that my aunt who is married to my uncle is from Central America and she is an IMMIGRANT. “But she came here legally,” was my mom’s response. To which I countered with the fact that applying for asylum is legal. No answer after that. These people don’t know where to turn when you confront them with facts.

And, yes, Jussie Smollett definitely came up. I did make a point that the college admissions scandal was politically-blind and neutral, affecting people of both parties. I was like, do not even try to paint that with a broad brush that it’s a Hollywood liberal problem. Lori Loughlin am day he failed husband are both Trump supporters.

I think mentioning facts to Trump supporters in a non-threatening and rational manner can be effective. My parents aren’t frothing at the mouth at a rally wearing a MAGA hat; they are these kind of upper middle-class, respectable and kind people mentioned above who voted for Trump and are increasingly looking for ways to validate what they are seeing as a decision that has possibly led down a dangerous path for our country. My parents aren’t stupid and they do not like the deliberate cruelties this administration has inflicted upon innocent people. Facts (which they do not receive on the Fox channel) can help bring them into the light.

I can't understand why these fux "news" talking heads aren't egged, shamed and run out of every public place they go.

Isn't their studio in new York? These people go out to lunch and dinner and shopping. Why don't people hurl shit at them every day and run them out of town?

Make them relocate to a red state shithole who supports their lies.

Complaining about Fox commentators is not the solution. The network is owned by international media and tabloid tycoon, Rupert Murdoch, and his sons There are too many Republicans in Congress that refuse to hold him accountable. Until there is is an effective boycott of Fox/NewsCorp advertisers, they will not change There is no organized resistance to Fox's propaganda, which has its own stable market.

Fox News has definitely received a “state television” makeover through the years. It looks like something I would see at the Scientology center.

It's really important to remember that Dump supporters will defend his fuckery tooth and nail when they can anonymously do so on social media.

BUT not all will own up to their support of Agent Orange in person.

A goodly number do not want the one on one confrontation of FACTS to rebuke their internalized Fux echo chamber talking points so they remain silent when polled or remain silent in the workplace.

[quote]I have no sympathy for them, but I do understand where some of their anger comes from: the State and Fed money surely isn't being pumped into their town, and rural America is declining as a whole.

The red states get the majority of the federal money. They are supported by blue states. The reason they don't get anything from their state is because their state doesn't charge taxes to pay for anything in their own state. They choose to live in a state that sucks at the federal money teat and then complain about how they aren't getting theirs. They are ignorant liars and hypocrites and so is their manufactured anger that covers their real motives of greed, laziness, and racism.

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I agree, r570. The conflicts of interest alone is astounding.

Fox gives the racist/identity politics voters and the grievance voters ( they seem like the same people) the language, the rationale, the arguments to justify their beliefs even though none of it would withstand a challenge of someone armed with facts, and based in reality. I remember Obama and several other people talking about this fragmentation. You know, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own facts." something like that.

Anyway, I think it's been pretty clear for at least the past year, what the game plan is. So I think we have to be way more assertive, preempt them, and push back hard and aggressively. Yes, I know we have to be careful not to turn public opinion against us, but IMO we've been way too careful. We need to act with authority and assertiveness and push these fuckers back into the hole they crawled out of. Not talking about the average MAGAs, but I am talking about the "opinion leaders" like Pirro, Hannity and the bastards like Bannon, and the politicians in Washington, and the arrogant pricks like Barr. We need to get way more aggressive.

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