Locker room nudity

It's not homophobia. some people just don't like to be seen naked.

I think the problem is someone taking surreptitious photos/videos in locker rooms, rather than getting undressed with strangers.

NOT this AGAIN!

R3. Yes. It's paranoia. We must break this awful atmosphere of fear.

Let's get real r2 the ones that want a return to the good times of nakedness are the ones that want to perve, voyeur video or openly cruise. Usually the older and definitely out of shape men you don't want to see naked or imagine sexually.

I’m afraid r5 is right. Otherwise, what possible interest could it be of anyone else’s whether someone gets naked in the locker room or do the towel dance?

Admittedly, if I saw a hot guy in the locker room, of course I’d like to see him naked, but I have to say that’s more for my own perviness than anything else.

What's wrong with wanting to see some nudity in the locker room? It doesn't mean you're a perv.

Up until the early 1970’s, high schools and the YMCA has Mandatory nudity for males only in the swimming pool. Locker room nudity in high schools ended in the mid 1990’s due to homophobia. As homosexuality has become more accepted in our society, “straight” males have become more homophobic. Even male affection and bonding is a rarity. I am 50 and remember going to the YMCA at the age of 5 and swimming nude with adult men and boys. Communal male nudity bonded you to your peers and made you not fearful of puberty.

What R3 said.

penis envy. No one feels they can measure up to porn stars. in a smaller way, DL standards don't help either lol

I’m under 40 and aI’ve never been naked in a locker room and never seen other men naked in one. My school didn’t have showers for the mandatory weekly gym class, it was on Wednesday afternoon and we went home afterwards. There were bathrooms outside the gym with 2 changing cubicles but we all just took off our sweatshirts and then sprayed some deodorant and went home in out T-shirts. My dad has talked about days like R8 mentions and it’s hard for me to imagine.

R8, I was in high school in the 80s and no one was getting nude.

I was naked in high school locker rooms in the 80s. Good times, good views.

Out-of-shape eldergay here. I avoid locker room nudity because I don’t want to inflict the sight of my sad old skinny-fat body on anyone - I’ve been judged silently (and even out loud) one too many times. I don’t even like wearing short-sleeved shirts!

[quote]What's wrong with wanting to see some nudity in the locker room? It doesn't mean you're a perv.

This attitude right here is why. If I’m changing in a locker room after a workout or a shower, I don’t need someone (usually some old disgusting fat troll) leering at me for their thrill of the day. I’m getting changed, not putting on a go-go show for you.

The fact that people can’t see that’s pervy behavior is a huge part of the problem.

Is it the same troll who over and over again talks about swimming naked at the Y?

When I was in high school (graduated 1972) we all participated in PE and everyone showered which was required and I don't think most minded. It was quick and we toweled off and left. I noticed that in later years they stopped requiring you to shower. I just assumed that changed the way younger people approached being naked in front of others. I am a member of a Cross Fit gym and they don't ever have showers. I wouldn't use one anyway but I was surprised by that. Do other gyms still have showers?

I hated disrobing for PE.It was very tramatic....especially if you had not hit puberty and your surrounded by bears.....yuck.

I did not vote. I'm old enough to find locker room nudity normal, but there's nothing "bonding" about it.

I can see locker room bonding if you're part of a team. But that can happen fully clothed. I'm not sure what being naked has to do with it.

Yes, got naked with my high school and college teammates back in the 80s/90s. But it grosses me out to think of any activity happening in there. Even when they're reasonably clean, they're not the best smelling or most hygienic location for an encounter.

Yes, I peeked (even my straight friends confessed to that to see how they measured up), but no staring, no touching, no talking about it. Just do your business and leave!

Thankfully, I never had "teammates."

Why "thankfully", R21? I built lasting friendships with the guys I played baseball with.

I think I would die if I had to listen to people talk about sports, r22, let alone be forced to play them.

Lockerooms are for changing clothes, that means being at least briefly nude.

In my gym men are naked all the time. There are quite a few guys who love showing it all off.I have had so much sex there too. It’s fun. I would say some of the show offs are straight too. They love the attention

Sometimes, there is something worth watching.

even if the guys are ugly, who cares?

[quote]Even if the guys are ugly, who cares?

Everyone but you.

that's not true

[quote] What's wrong with wanting to see some nudity in the locker room? It doesn't mean you're a perv.

Yes, it does.

[quote] Communal male nudity bonded you to your peers and made you not fearful of puberty.

I don't recall fearing puberty.

r30, the lady doth protesteth too much. sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me

I only feel comfortable naked if I'm in shape. If I'm fat, I'm always wearing compression clothes in the locker room.

[quote] My school didn’t have showers for the mandatory weekly gym class

Weekly? No wonder kids these days are so fat. We had daily gym class, and yes, showers were mandatory. The gym teacher would stand at the door where the towel bin was, and if your towel looked to be too dry, he'd grab you by the back of the neck to see if your hair was wet.

As for locker rooms, we'd go swimming at the local pool and thought nothing of getting naked with everyone else. After swimming we would go into the showers wearing our swimsuits and rinse off, then peel off the swimsuits, wring them out, drape them over the water faucet and finish taking our showers. We were told the chlorine was bad for our skin and hair, so we always showered after swimming.

I had a couple of rich friends who had backyard pools with little cabanas for changing. I have no idea what the women did, but the guys would all change at the same time, They even kept a supply of assorted swimsuits for you to borrow. If you got one on that turned out to be too big or small, you thought nothing of swapping suits with someone else. After swimming, you'd just toss them in the bin with your towels and the mom (or more likely, the housekeeper) would launder them.

If you'd asked everyone else to leave so you could change in private, the other guys would think you were strange.

Not interested in seeing all male nudity. Some just need to change in private. But certainly they need to be encouraged to work-out.

Then I'm a perv. I love it.

[quote]I had a couple of rich friends who had backyard pools with little cabanas for changing. [...] the guys would all change at the same time

This was how I discovered uncircumcision, though I would not realize what I had seen for years. I just thought the poor guy broke the head off his dick. I was always purposely nicer to him than I might otherwise have been, I felt so bad about his dick.

Towel Dance Troll, do you never get tired of this topic? you must post about this once a month and have for the last 15 years.

Is the Towel Dance Troll the Towel Dance Troll because he loves the towel dance or because he hates it? We use troll to mean "enthusiast" and "hater" equally on DL, and sometimes it's not clear which one is meant.

Both

[R35]

They are the main ones trying to start conversation when your naked.No fatty,let me get dressed and stop looking at my dick.

It's partly homophobia. But mostly "fear of cellphone cameras and having their nakedness plastered all over some website on the internet"

I don't give a damn if people see me nude when I am changing, or I see someone else nude while they are changing even if I am not attracted to them at all.

Who cares, some people are so damn uptight and it does not compute for me.

Being able to see hot men naked in the lockerroom is one of the few gay superpowers, and should be protected at all costs. Just don't be obvious or creepy about it.

r42 I don't think people are that aware. I'm shocked by how oblivious people are. I personally think it's because all men are either bi or gay, and walkin around with a boner would expose their gayness. Most have no problem walkin around with their butt out. I'm actually disturbed by how gay the average straight man is.

I work out at NYSC. There's. combo of towel dances & nudity. Whatever makes you comfortable, says I. As a gay dude I find almost anyone showing skin interesting, even if they're really old. Curiosity I guess? It doesn't feel sexual.

I'm 35 and have no problem with nudity, whether in the locker or at a nude beach, but that would make me an anomaly amongst my peers. I come from a rather 'modest,' traditional family, so not sure where I picked up that attitude -- it definitely wasn't from school, where guys were shy about changing in gym class in the 90s. And that was before smartphones.

[QUOTE] I hated disrobing for PE.It was very tramatic....especially if you had not hit puberty and your surrounded by bears.....yuck.

Did you also hate English class and feel really inferior there too?

I'm guessing yes.

[quote]This was how I discovered uncircumcision. I just thought the poor guy broke the head off his dick.

CRYING!!

[quote]They are the main ones trying to start conversation when your naked.

Oh, dear!

[quote]I’m getting changed, not putting on a go-go show for you.

Oh please, please R15, putt on a go-go show for us!

[quote]Communal male nudity bonded you to your peers and made you not fearful of puberty.

PUBERTY'S COMING!

Does someone trying to sneak at peek honestly affect you whatsoever r15? No it does not.

The things people obsess about, go on with your life.

[quote]Does someone trying to get dressed and not be nude honestly affect you whatsoever R53? No it does not. The things people obsess about, go on with your life.

Fixed that for you.

No, it doesn't affect me r54. I do chuckle to myself if I notice someone towel dancing as the DL calls it, but I move on.

We had no problem walking around naked in the locker room.

Us neither.

I think it’s not exactly homophobia, but as people began to realize that same-sex attraction was not some rare exotic perversion, and that some of their peers were probably gay and checking them out as objects of desire, they got self-conscious about group nudity.

uptight Nellies like r15 perplex and amuse me. You think someone appreciating a beautiful naked body is automatically a perv? Jesus, this country is fucked up.

With bodies like these?

No shyness in our locker room!

Seriously, this topic AGAIN?

It's funny how the one person gets so fuming mad about people who do the towel dance. It's fascinating that he doesn't have the capacity to understand that someone doing the towel dance does not change his life one way or another (except not getting to leer).

People towel dance for various reasons. Younger generations probably do it because video and photography without others knowing is a thing. Others probably do it because of people like the Anti-Towel Dancer who creeps the fuck out of them.

I grew up going to the boy's club and ymca and I played hockey through high school, wasn on the swim team. I was so immune to guys naked that I probably never knew I liked fucking them until after a night of clubbing with co-workers I got a ride home because I took extasy and was seeing halos and when I peed in the men's room I blew a load....I also was kind of drunk. He pulled into a closed bank dark parking lot, came over to the passenger side, opened the door, pulled down my shorts and pretty much just sat on my cock. I'm not kidding. I still think guys stink and when they have nothing going on in the "hot" department, they always have these far out stories about how many chicks, all the pussy etc. I met most of my early hook ups at the gym..,.they' would see I am sort of hung and in the 90s Sports Erection gym on the West Hollywood/Beverly Hills border....size queens were bold, payed a lot of money...and they were as fucking hot as fuck!

I've belonged to the same gym for 20 years. Until 3 years ago, the shower stalls had no doors or curtains and no one seemed to mind, nor were there any obvious pervs around. Even if there were, who cared? Now suddenly we have shower curtains and millennials falling over themselves trying to pull their underwear up under a towel.

[quote] [R30], the lady doth protesteth too much. sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

Yes, dear. Those complaining about the lack of male nudity in a locker room only want to see naked men for pervy purposes. The rest of us just go to change and get out, and don't concern ourselves with what's going on around us. Occasionally, I will see a welcome bit of nudity but most of it is unappealing. And locker rooms smell!

Let’s slap some ass

No, r42. Towel dancing was around long before cellphones. It's fear of being seen nude by the wrong people.

Its not just about being scared gay guys might see them, though I am sure that is a thought process for some. A big thing with towel dancing is guys are way more insecure about their penis size!

They don't have people to see their not impressive looking dick. Porn and the like has been a huge factor in that cultural shift to being insecure.

For the record. a hairy naked man like r35 is the holy grail for me.

R66

“Wrong people” = the gays

No R66, try 'obsessive, leering creeps.'

It's very clear the people getting so pissed off at people who towel dance are insecure themselves. They feel like the towel dancer is rejecting them and telling them they are too ugly to see their penises.

Mind your own business but discreetly steal peeks at hotties.

Don’t bitch obsessively about what other people are doing.

There...all problems solved.

[quote]I don't like her but she serves her purpose.

nope, just laughable that they think that they are such a prized commodity that they need to keep their cock under wraps. sorry, charlie, I've seen plenty of cock already. stop jumping up and down

R73 It's laughable that you say you don't care, when it's obvious you care that you can't see a free show.

The advent if cell phones cameras everywhere has changed everything. In the 70’s and 80’s NOBODY HAD CAMERAS ON THEM. You could be nude without being secretly recorded and put on the internet. Now literally every single person has a phone and video camera on them at all times.

R74, - you're a troll

r75, and yet when you're naked, you don't have your phone on you, right?

Are you really that stupid, r77?

R74, they’ll never get the dichotomy.

[quote]Now suddenly we have shower curtains and millennials falling over themselves trying to pull their underwear up under a towel.

They simply don't want their dicks on the internet without their permission. It's a thing, people secretly filming in locker rooms. It's always funny when queens here automatically think they have a right to see anyone's dick, no matter the size.

[quote]It's always funny when queens here automatically think they have a right to see anyone's dick, no matter the size.

No matter the size of the queen, or no matter the size of the dick?

R77 has to be the single dumbest response on here.

R81 WW!

I went to high school in the late 80s and the gym teacher used to make sure we all had a shower in the communal shower.....this was normal. You could wear shorts, but you were ridiculed for wearing shorts. Basically forced to get naked and shower together...I'm not complaining, but you'd never see that happen today

It's amusing how the the millennials write this off to cell phones and pics -- as that is the world they live in.

Let's face it, they're still living at home with mommy and your body is naughty! THAT'S the problem.

And, btw, have you seen the average millennial body? You don't get in shape by gaming all day...

Someone won't let me see their dick and I'm pissed so I'll try to insult them by saying they live with mommy and daddy!!!!!

^^^ hate to break it to you but your dick isn't all that special. despite what mommy told you.

Apparently it is R87 since you're bitching on and on about not being able to see it!

[quote]they’ll never get the dichotomy.

you might want to look up the work dichotomy

R89 I think he mean, "they'll never get the dick outta me."

OP is the notorious Locker Room Troll

He is [bold] OBSESSED [/bold] with the idea that guys under 40 who won't let him leer at their junk are somehow ruining America and posts about this about once a month.

Discuss: Towel dancing coincides with calling your dick and balls "junk."

The responses to these "locker room nudity" threads are as boring and repetitive as the threads themselves.

I wound not be surprised if there is a court order that forbids OP from being withing 400 yards of a school building

[quote]Nudity among men is normal and bonding.

It used to be normal. It was never bonding.

[quote]you might want to look up the work dichotomy

Assuming you meant the WORD dichotomy, I have looked it up. What’s the problem?

I agree that I find it unnatural that men have become terrified of exposing themselves in a locker room. And sad. I miss seeing dicks in the shower rooms. Seems so stilted. Guys contort themselves to avoid being seen. Yet this same generation seems to have no trouble sending dick pics to each other. Sigh. Oh, and I’m not a pe4v. I just enjoy seeing the nude male body.

I saw this with guys my age in high school, 18 - 21 years ago. It's just a cock, balls, and an ass -- we all have one. It annoyed me because I wanted to shower after gym class, but nobody else was doing it, so I wasn't going to be the one weirdo showering, lol.

I've been nude in a bathhouse, which is like a locker room, many times, and it didn't bother me and I never noticed anyone else acting uncomfortable.

[quote]I've been nude in a bathhouse,

Good analogy.

It depends on the sport too. I swam and played baseball. After swimming we were all naked eventually. After baseball I don’t ever remember showering except if we dove in the pool after practice on a hot day. Not sure of other HS sports but I would think it would be weird if a college or professional althlete didn’t shower nude afterwards. I imagine people like Rafael Nadal usually have their own private stall but not the local community college football team

As a future ass man, I loved the guy whose locker was next to mine. I could sit on the bench and have that beautiful ass inches from my face.

I can still see it 50 years later. Yumm

In 7-9th grade showers were mandatory. You got a swat with a paddle if you got caught trying to skip the shower. We also swam nude. Of course being a gayling, I got real good at looking at all the nude bodies without getting caught. I never saw anyone getting an erection and pretty much after a few weeks as a 7th grader it became pretty routine. I especially liked seeing the hairy 9th graders when I was in 7th grade and hadn't hit puberty yet. I remember one guy in 9th grade who was quite endowed. He seemed to hang out naked a bit longer showing off his large cock.

[quote]I can still see it 50 years later. Yumm

Except now it would be about a foot lower.

R103 When you swam naked in PE, where were the girls? Did they do a different activity while you were swimming?

If you're in the military these days, do you have to spend time naked in various circumstances with your fellow soldiers/sailors/airmen? Or do they have private changing booths when in the field now?

It's because they aren't hung like guys in porn so they're embarrassed.

Women don't have this issue because all they need to have is a hole.

I'm sure that black guys who are hung like a normal black guy is supposed to be laugh at these men

R108 not all women gave holes...some of them have engorged dripping feminine penises.

Those aren't women just like a chick with a pussy on hormones with a fake wirey beard made out of five facial hairs isn'y an actual DUDE.

isn't*

I remember the first time I saw a black dude's dick R109 and he didn't live up to the stereotype!

The 80s seemed to be a time of transition for this. We had showers at school, but you weren't required to take one, and few guys did. However...in my fantasies the football team always showered.

r105 the pool was added on to the building and was separate from the other gyms. The girls would be in the normal gyms while the boys were swimming and visa versa.

My high school had a pool attached to both the boys and the girks locker rooms, but when the boys swam naked in the pool the P. E. Instructor would lock the girls locker room door from the pool side.

[quote][R103] When you swam naked in PE, where were the girls? Did they do a different activity while you were swimming?

Not r103, but in my case, the girls were in the girls' gym. The pool was on a separate floor. Boys and girls alternated.

[quote]visa versa.

Oh, dear! Is this the newest credit card?

this again

This is what guys are worried about....

He was just trying to record the antics so he would have proof and could report the people to the management of the spa.

I’m 42 am I not afraid to be seen nude?

I imagine it was a lot like this vid. I wonder how old these guys are now

They’re dead r123

[quote]I’m 42 am I not afraid to be seen nude?

Uh, what?

We fondly recall the magnificent sizemeats we gazed on at the age of 13 in our high school nude swimming classes! And the locker room.... when the scorching hot 6 foot plus and horse-hung Polish captain of the football team stood talking nude to the coach! Mary!!

not to mentia the high school community showers!

I not comfortable around a black man with a small penis. It seems unnatural.

I am not comfortable around a old pervy gay guys. It seems unnatural.

See how that works?

When I was in the ninth grade, they put me in to a gym class with the 12th graders because of some anomaly in my schedule. God bless that guidance counselor! It was a feast for the eyes (although I was always afraid of getting a boner). But those 12th graders were developed, hung, hairy, and hot.

[quote]Yet this same generation seems to have no trouble sending dick pics to each other. Sigh. Oh, and I’m not a pe4v. I just enjoy seeing the nude male body.

Oh, I dont know.. one could think that had something to do with choosing who they want to see them naked.

Probably a big part of this has to do with at least 2 things. One is the older generation had many people who had military service. They were naked for showers and changing a lot, no privacy. Another thing is the older generation lived in smaller homes, larger families and had less privacy overall, so it was likely they were seen naked sometimes, if incidentally. The maybe #3 thing, and people have forgotten about this, but in the history of Boy Scouts and school gym class, and other organizations, there was naked group time (swimming, showering, etc.) as a part of the program. This normalized group nudity for the boomers and earlier.

These days people have their own bedrooms, possibly their own bathrooms, and they aren't in the military to the extent they used to be. Pedo paranoia took care of the nekkid swim classes and summer camps. I'm Gen X and the nudity thing was still around somewhat in the military and in gym locker rooms, but not elsewhere. But it's only in the past 10 years or so that towel dancing has become serious sport. My YMCA now forbids nudity in the sauna and steam room, with signs posted. Until a few years ago, nudity was required in those places as a hygiene measure.

For many of the older generation, they aren't perving on anybody; nude in certain places was simply how things have been done. Similar to the millennials, who aren't used to it, and for them, being covered up or alone and unobserved is how things have been done.

This makes sense r132

But gay old perv boomers leering at young millennials add a whole other distasteful element.

Old perverts are icky, no matter what the generation. And in 2019, it’s the boomers.

Certainly there are older people that are used to being nude and will continue being nude because that's what they're used to. But those aren't the guys bitching that the younger ones cover up and won't let them see their dicks!

Not all locker room pervs are old.

Oohhh, don't hate me because of my tinymeat!!!

Boooh, hoooh. (Runs away clutching her towel and sends a text to Mommy.)

Indeed, r135. Sometimes you can be 19.

Spoken like a true locker room senile perv r136

Young hotties show their dicks to each other all the time. But you don’t get to our cocks....no no no gramps. Our huge meaty schlongs are for the young. So glad you’ll be dead soon.

R138 sounds like a sociopath.

[quote]But gay old perv boomers leering at young millennials add a whole other distasteful element.

Straight guys in their 20's and 30's do this to 14 year old girls. Who are the real perverts?

[quote]Our huge meaty schlongs are for the young.

Also, newer generations have smaller dicks, they just show them off more because they're whores.

Older guys were ALWAYS bigger than the younger guys with their weirdo dicks.

Yeah right, senile geezer at r139 / r140 / r14

Bye off to flames & feaks r142!

“Feaks” r143?

How hardup are you to stake out gym locker rooms for a peek.Eww...white guys are just creepy.It seems like its a bit of Norman Bates in you all. An yes,Black men are growers.So you initial glances are very misleading.White guys don't grow much...

Laughs

Don Lemon, is that you ^?

I'm not hung or young or buff or slender. I'm not parading around in the nude.

[quote] Oohhh, don't hate me because of my tinymeat!!!

Boomer here. Grew up with mandatory showers in gym class, and if anything, compulsory nudity was a great equalizer.

I can't remember what I had for dinner last Friday but I can tell you what each of my junior high classmates looked like naked and 95% had perfectly average cocks (me too). Knowing mine was like the others gave me the courage to go to baths and bars and proposition lots of guys once I came out.

If my only frame of reference had been porn, I would've been too intimated to go home with anyone.

Are you black or white r148?

Because there’s a substantial difference according to r145

Note that the commenters in the article at R135 are as confused as Dataloungers. They are conflating nudity with sex. They think that there are hard lines about where and when nudity is permitted or prohibited at the gym. One person says it's okay in the shower and locker room, but nowhere else, for instance.

People twist themselves rhetorically to convince the world how prudish they are. Nobody really calls out the central criminal issue, which is it's illegal to take video or photographs of people in these places. Every gym I've been in the past 8 yrs or so has signage stating that any recording of images, sound or video is prohibited.

I am curious about which "social networking site" the complainant found video of himself. I'd put my $$$ on Tumblr. Another probable reason Tumblr would want to get rid of all XXX stuff, since shit like this sets them up for lawsuits. Interesting that the perp is a millennial.

Today we saw something nude in the locker room that literally took our breath away and he was walking right toward us. A real man, maybe 6 foot 3, muscular blond hairy, hung, no shaving, late 30s early 40s, looked like a football player. When we got home we contacted our similarly built Hungarian fb and obtained 'relief' shortly thereafter!

Uh huh, they're always "hung', Honey.

My Y also put up signs a few years ago suggesting one wear a towel in the steam and sauna due to MRSA. Those of us who went to the Y before the signage appeared are still naked in the steam and saunas. Just a few years ago, nudity was expected in there.

I remember a guy in 8th grade, who made my life hell in the typical ways. Sissy. Fag. Queer. Anyway he came up to me after gym class once and told me he noticed I had the biggest dick in class. Things changed between us after that.

Don't stop there, r154.

What R148 said 100%!!!

I’m a Gen-X (at least that’s what the internet tells me based on my birth year) and we had compulsory showers after gym and for those of us who played, after practice/games. They were the old school big open showers too. Yes, it was a huge equalizer - because despite what’s posted here and elsewhere, HS locker rooms are not filled with teens sporting 8 or more inches lol

Most of us were perfectly average, with some smaller, and maybe a few hanging a bit or much larger. I saw my first uncut in the showers, and I was fascinated by the different bushes and overall body hair on the other guys - still a thing for me.

Later, I wondered, once I had some real penis experiences, if the smaller (even some of the averages) were growers, the same way I wondered if the bigger guys were showers.

There was also the added benefit of capturing those naked bodies in your mind’s eye and depositing them in the “wank bank” for use later. Remember - there was no internet back then, so other than magazines, - which raised other issues like where to buy, where to hide - gym showers were all you had.

Admittedly, as a young, gay man I liked to show off in the locker room - no towel around the waist, naked as long as possible (I still am like that a bit now to be honest lol), and I did cruise the locker rooms - sometimes with success, sometimes not. Now as a 40-something gay man, I don’t ogle or cruise. I’m at the gym for a reason - trying to maintain and fight the good fight so to speak. Do I notice a hot guy, a great body, a nice dick, or a sweet ass? Sure. But that’s it. It’s nice to take a gander, but I’m not like some I’ve seen of all ages who are pretty creepy about it.

You say you’re 40 something r156, but you write like a 80 year old queen.

And a perv. No wonder Millennials do the towel dance.

"Locker room nudity", sort of an oxymoron. In the US we have terrible hang ups over nudity that have gotten worse in the last 25 years. In Europe and South America, this phenomenon is completely absent. In fact in spas on the continent men, women and children mingle naked without a shrug.

When you think about it- it's funny as hell. I mean what is the big deal? I suppose since public school gym programs have collapsed due to poor funding kids do not get used to it and perhaps are shy and have hangups? I have been in locker rooms with nude peers (and pools too) starting with swimming lessons at the YMCA at 5 years old right up through tennis teams, piss elegant clubs and on to NYC gyms/clubs. I don't even think about it.

As for straight guys worrying about gay guys ogling them- get a life.

Is it the straights doing the towel dance, or just the (obviously highly resentful) gays?

The young , good looking straights, r159. There are some that would rather bow up the world than be seen naked by the wrong people.

At my gym, all of the towel dancers seem to be under 30. Are they afraid that a gay guy might catch a glimpse of their junk or ass? Are they all insecure about their size? I don't get it. I'm not someone who parades around naked - in fact, I go pretty quickly from towel to underwear - but the towel dance seems ridiculous.

They are aware that perverts (of all ages) are standing by with their phones to snap pictures of naked guys.

I recently saw a combination of towel dance and nudity. Hot young guy changed under his towel while conversing with the guy next to him, but dropped the towel once he'd pulled his shorts up in front (no undies), so for a minute his bouncy round buns were visible (to me anyway) before he pulled them up in back.

There is a three-part documentary on You Tube about the demise of naked swimming in schools, pools, and gyms. It discusses how society's attitudes towards nudity has changed over the last 30 years.

I had never realized it, but the opening scene in Walt Disney's POLLYANNA (1960), certainly considered family fare, shows a naked boy as he swings from a rope and drops into a local swimming hole to join the other naked boys.

It's different now. Everyone's got a camera in his hand. I can't believe this is still getting talked about and talked about and talked about.

You can't believe we like to talk about seeing naked guys?

I thought non-naked guys were the issue, r166.

I’m naked in a locker room as I type this

Show us, r168.

Not many of us are prudes, but why must one guy at my gym bring his iPhone into the steam room? Seems like it would damage the phone, it compromises other peoples' privacy, and if he's so busy he can't leave his phone for 10 minutes maybe he shouldn't be in the steam room.

You’re obviously at least a boomer r170

Maybe even a WW2 vet

Phones in the sauna have become the norm at my gym, despite the "no phones allowed" sign outside the door. I haven't seen anyone using the camera in an underhanded way; they just scroll through their social media or listen to music. Sometimes a couple of young straight guys watched a comedy sketch uproariously. Once a guy got told by another guy for playing a loud video game on his phone.

yeah, r171, expensive electronics and steam go hand in hand.

When I was younger, be it in a bar or a locker room, I was aware of, and creeped out by older guys who were leering at me. Maybe I was paranoid or downright nervous some of the time, but I certainly perceived leering some of the time, and certain of it other times. I hated it, and sometimes there would be older guys who felt it as their RIGHT to say or even touch me. On one occasion in a bar, I created a minor scene by yelling at the guy. A much older friend of mine who saw the scene suggested I was maybe overreacting. I didn't think so and around that same time in another bar, I saw a young guy (probably roided) threaten to beat up an older guy who said something or touched him. In each instance, the older guy seemed oh so shocked and pleaded how he was misunderstood.

Fast forward to today. I'm a Baby Boomer, and when I go to the gym, I try to remember my younger days and police myself as best I can. Sure, I could camp out in the locker room and hope to catch a show (college gym). For that matter, any age could camp out hoping for a show. I might think to myself what a shame that the college guys today are much more modest, but they HAVE to be for the reasons mentioned above (mostly cell phones invading their privacy). SO, when I use my gym, it's for "the good fight" as someone mentioned above. I'm trying to be fit and as attractive as I can--I might not succeed, but I'm certainly gunning for healthy. If I enter a locker room and there's a hot guy there, I do not stare. If they are friendly, I'll chat and consider myself lucky. NO lingering. No following hot guys into the locker room. THAT is pervy, If I did that, my younger self would smack my older self big time.

You're a bad person, r174, at any age.

You’re a considerate person, r174, in your old age.