Treasons to Continue On (The Mueller Investigation Part 91)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

Treasons for Redemption (The Mueller Investigation Part 86) (March 1, 2019)

Treasons to Watch (The Mueller Investigation Part 87) (March 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88) (March 11, 2019)

Treasons I Have Veto Power (The Mueller Investigation Part 89) (March 18, 2019)

Treasons I've Submitted My Report (The Mueller Investigation Part 90) (March 22, 2019)

Treasons to Continue On (The Mueller Investigation Part 91) (March 24, 2019)

Thanks OP. Appreciate this.

So this says nothing?

Sounds like Trump has been cleared of both collusion and obstruction by Mueller’s report.....unbelievable. We saw both live and in the open, I don’t get it.

Un FUCKING believable

I am shocked that Mueller vindicated Trump and campaign on collusion

I bet if a Democrat ran the Special Counsel the results would have been different

I still want the evidence.

None of the smoke about Trump Tower meeting addressed

or why so many people lied

So Trump and campaign cleared of obstruction and collusion

now his approval numbers will SOAR upwards. I bet he'll go over 50% and they can successfully paint the Democrats as conducting a witch hunt

WE ARE FUCKED

I'm so pissed

I feel like crying.

We need to see the full report.

If there’s nothing there then why not?

It’s just too big of a coincidence that they had their own guy as the ref.

What a sham!

This is like Election Night all over again.

I truly hate this country

If you a white xtian conservative rich male you can get away WITH ANYTHING

White republicans are truly demonic

How can Mueller indict so many others around Trump and not find the links that implicate Trump? Fucking ridiculous.

R11 White men covering a white man is the whole story here.

Reminds me of the JFK head shot - which came from the front in total view on the Zapruder film - but the government insists all shots came from the rear - and 55 years later they still hold that position. We are fucked!

Rosenstein who agreed to wear a wire - signed off on this with Barr? WTF???????!!!!

None of this makes any sense at all. Why were all of those people given immunity?

Get ready for a second term of Trump and no impeachment

anything the Democrats do now will be made to look as highly partisan

The assholes on Fox, repubs and Trump will be crowing. Independents will now flock to their side again

Mueller was always a REPUBLICAN.

Just remember that my children.

Just watch everything will swing now.

I hope the Democrats subpoena Mueller to testify in Congress ASAP

this is unfuckingbelievable

I hate this country so much

I wonder if this has any merit to it:

We now turn to the Southern District of New York to seek full justice.

so now all we have are the past financial crimes of Trump to go on

I dread hearing my fucking Trump supporting coworkers at work tomorrow. Plus my bracket is broken and my car is making a funny smell. I hate today

This country is done. It was a good 240 year run, people. I’m sad that no one has any integrity in our government and that people accept it so blithely.

I don't care if Dems continuing on looks Partisan. WHO GIVES A FUCK? Rethugs never do when they're doing it 24/7.

Time to grow some balls and play hard ball.

When someone goes low you don't go high, you go fucking lower knowing they will.

R17 Like the Repubs are not highly partisan? It's game on. Dems need to fight to excite their base. If they roll over, no one will give them the time of day.

His fast food, Adderall diet will catch up with him before 2020, bitches.

I think you folks are dreaming if you think that the State of New York or the Southern District are going to take down the President of the United States, now or after he leaves office. This is *not* that country.

R25 the point is, we're probably going to lose 2020

this is awful

I hope Mueller testifies ASAP

I'm so pissed. All the Congressional hearings will be dismissed by independents now as partisan. Fuck the repubs but the independents matter for voting

It took two years to find esentially nothing? The whole thing makes no sense, we’ve seen obstruction in public this whole time.

Time for the House to use its subpoena power. It's now or never. This year is crucial. Blast Trump with everything they got.

[quote] the point is, we're probably going to lose 2020

Don't be a Debbie Downer.

We always knew Mueller wasn't going to save us

R26 the repubs are scum. They are of course always partisan. They have the benefit of Fox "News" behind them though

For all their cries about how biased the mainstream media is, the reality is mainstream media plays the both sides shit. Democrats do not have a version of Fox "News".

Why are we supposed to take Bill Barr’s word for this?

We need the ACTUAL REPORT.

If there's no there there, what is up with all those massive redacted passages in all those court filings about Manafort, Roger Stone, Wikileaks, etc.?

He wasn't cleared of obstruction of justice, the government didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt. This was after the then-Republican run Congress tied a lot of hands, and Dump refused a sit down interview with Mueller.

How is this country going to survive another term of Trump? We will all have to learn Russian.

Is that what Robert Mueller wants? For our country to be run by Putin? Why? Who got to him? He just sold out everything he’s ever done in his entire life.

I think it will get democrats off their ass even more because they were waiting on Superman/Mueller.

So now they have to get engaged and vote against all the horrible republican policies. Like seperating families, caging kids, flaming domestic terrorism, cutting social security and wasting money and resources on walls instead of infrastructure.

Focus on that going forward and it will be a landslide.

People act as though Trump being racist and incompetent and destructive is not something that the Democrats can run on. Lol.

Also, why did Barr place the bit about "no collusion" in a footnote? That seems extremely odd. The letter seemed to want to focus much more on the area where Trump was NOT exonerated, obstruction of justice.

The Dems in Congress need to stop sending polite letters, and start sending subpoenas. Time to play hardball.

Mueller-

* No collusion (tacit or direct conspiracy)

* Obstruction: no exoneration, but not enough evidence to indict

Two years and over $25 million dollars spent to reach those conclusions, or non-conclusions.

R28, you’re an idiot. The SDNY is going to nail Jared, Trumo Jr, Ivanka and Eric to the fucking wall. They will face jail time. This will drive Daddy insane and out of the White House.

Why didn't Mueller subpoena him, then? Or his children? Something is fucked up about this whole thing.

It’s a good thing that this chapter is closed. Not the larger issue of corruption, but no more waiting on Muller.

Take some time off the news and come back refreshed and ready to fight in 2020.

Eric Swalwell said Friday that the House absolutely will subpoena Mueller if they have to.

Yes, because "part 91" is necessary when this is over with.

No collusion.

Just treason.

It took two years to find esentially nothing? The whole thing makes no sense, we’ve seen obstruction in public this whole time.

I was thinking that too - all that investigating & the number of people surrounding Trump who went to jail, yet he found nothing?

STOP THINKING THIS IS THE END, PEOPLE. IT'S NOT.

Re the huge redactions in Mueller's sentencing memo on Manafort:

"The memo also contains larger blocks of redaction, including one that runs over a full page uninterrupted. That suggests that Mueller still has open investigations relating to Manafort and others...

Some of the redactions in the memo seem to protect the identities of people or companies who did business with Manafort, even though there are plenty of other names in the document that were released. Mueller may have ongoing business involving the names that have been blacked out.

While Mueller will reportedly wrap up his work soon, he will will pass ongoing investigations to other facets of the DOJ, including the Southern District of New York. This isn't over."

Chuck Todd of all people is calling to release the full report.

The "no obstruction" conclusion is not Mueller's. That's the conclusion of Barr and Rosenstein. Read the summary carefully.

R29 Stop whining. Independents don't decide until the election is upon them. That's why Comey's stupid email stunt cause Hillary dearly. So we still have time to do a real Congressional investigation. Mueller left many unanswered questions, not to mention there are Trump's campaign finance crime and dirty money business/taxes to investigate.

No one cares about this but the MSM and a handful of cranks.

So now that we have the Barr summary, can we also get the original Mueller report?

This summary means nothing. And this is not like Mueller at all. He’s not a partisan hack.

FINE.

OK, so let's turn to the other 5,432 reasons to throw this evil asshole out of office in 2020.

"...the SDNY replaced the lead attorney on the Michael Cohen case with Audrey Strauss, famous for her defeat of Roy Cohn, lawyer for the Gambino crime family and Trump family attorney till his death. What’s the chances the SDNY decided to bring in the one attorney that beat Trump’s lucky charm, Roy Cohn?"

Americans have to be extraordinarily lazy and stupid to let someone like Trump become President, and to let a corporate news channel's summary of a four-page summary be the end-all of this.

The SDNY's immediate announcements, after Manafort's trial, after OSC's report was turned in, are worth paying attention to.

So when. does Putin show up and take the keys to the U.S. government? Barr just fucked over the country. Democracy is over. The dictatorship is now. The system failed.

Miss Lindz is rejoicing.

90 threads = 54,000 posts of complete bullshit.

WE NEED THE ACTUAL REPORT,

BILL BARR WAS APPOINTED SO HE COULD PLAY DEFENSE FOR TRUMP.

Kindly fuck off r59

Exactly R59. Except for my posts.

The only conclusion is Barr got to Mueller. We need Dems to do the investigation. Period. The real game starts now.

R61, how many of those posts were yours? 😂

"Where's your Mueller God now, Moses?"

R42, if what you want is Trump escorted out of the White House or off the Capitol Portico in cuffs, I think you'll be disappointed.

I guess what we saw with our own eyes from Pres Bone Spurs was wrong?????????

It does not exonerate him.

So what about the money laundering and other shady activities?

Yes, R67, we've all seen it, the obstruction, the calls to Russia to interfere in the election. It's right out there.

R60 Yes, Barr cleaned up for Reagan and Bush 1, and he's cleaning up for Trump now. A true GOP scumbag.

Barr made the determination of no obstruction, Mueller didn't. Be pissed at the AG.

R66, I never said Trump will be escorted out of the White House in handcuffs. I thnk he’ll resign to “fight for his family.”

Again, when you're a white, heterosexual, xtian, rich conservative male, you can do anything and get away with it

If there's 1 true thing Trump has said it's that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose a supporter. He probably wouldn't get indicted either at this point

Watch for Fat Ass to address the nation tonight from the Oval Office.

"Do you have any evidence that Trump obstructed justice?"

Me: (two years ago) "I don't know for sure."

Mueller: (two years and $25 million dollars later) "I don't know for sure."

[QUOTE]The only conclusion is Barr got to Mueller. We need Dems to do the investigation. Period. The real game starts now.

Barr is just as trustworthy as Bob Mueller. He’s given his life to serving this country and would never in a million years help conspire to let the Russian government take over the American Presidency. If there was anything pointing to collusion, Barr is a patriot who would vote to remove Trump in a 25th Amendment situation. So don’t even try that shit.

we need the report to be released immediately because Trump, repubs and Fox "News" are going to weaponize this.

Time to focus on issues and get back to 2020.

So, Trump's written answers to Mueller's questions 100% checked out??

Not a SINGLE LIE in all those written answers?

The man who has lied more than 8,100 TIMES IN OFFICE did not lie ONCE in all those answers?

So now people are turning on Mueller after he was praised as the knight in shining armor that will help oust Trump?

R76 patriot? Barr advised Bush to pardon all those Reagan assholes in jail for Iran Contra

[QUOTE]we need the report to be released immediately because Trump, repubs and Fox "News" are going to weaponize this.

They’ve earned their day in the sun.

Yes! OP, you win, just for that hideous picture.

I’m out of here. Thanks everyone for keeping up the faith, but I’m staying off news until Election Day. I will be much happier without having to witness the destruction everyday. I’m just going to go to work, enjoy life and vote Democrats in for 2020.

That’s bullshit, R76. Barr should release the whole report.

all the more reason why Mueller should have subpoenaed Trump to testify verbally

We'll see what Felix Sater has to say about it Wednesday. I hear he's bringing the samovar.

What the hell is Rachel Maddow going to talk about now?

Focus on the issues AND get the FULL report, that is.

We don't know what Mueller said. All we know is what Barr is saying.

R72, and I'm the idiot? You're expecting a level of decency and loyalty of a man who's given no indication he's capable of either. He knows full well that his occupancy of the White House is his *only* leverage for himself.

The fat lady has sung.

This report is over.

At this point, the news anchors are just reading the tea leaves hoping that something's there and that they weren't wrong this whole time.

Glenn Greenwald called it

R80 If he failed spectacularly and revealed his GOP true colors, why now? But I would still want to see his report and not this bogus "summary" from a compromised AG.

I hate white republicans they are scum

So is Trumo a Mueller fan now?

Okay, can the secret Apprentice tapes that have Trump using the N word be leaked now?

Mueller is dirty, too..

I think Mueller knew full well the fight to get the President in the witness chair wasn't going to be worth it. He wasn't going to try to get him on perjury.

R92 And yet we have still not seen the actual report. You're mistaking Trump or Barr for the Fat Lady?

[QUOTE]We don't know what Mueller said. All we know is what Barr is saying.

It would be criminal for Barr to lie. Not to mention foolish—Bob Mueller would see to it that the truth was heard if they tried to cover up his findings.

As someone else here said, this entire investigation was just a safety valve for the people who were freaking out about the 2016 election to blow off some steam. That's why Mueller took so long.

Rachel Maddow will continue on but I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a dip in ratings now. Who can possibly tune in to her after she spent two years of broadcast time speculating?

Life long Democrat here. I am glad the President has been cleared of being a Russian asset. That's the part that always bothered me the most and I'm glad it seems he's not compromised.

On the other hand, he's a criminal, a dirtbag and a scary motherfucker. I'd like to see him taken down but I respect and believe the report.

[QUOTE]Rachel Maddow will continue on but I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a dip in ratings now. Who can possibly tune in to her after she spent two years of broadcast time speculating?

A dip? She’ll probably lose a million viewers.

R103 And yet Trump is still hiding what he discussed with Putin. Yeah, put your trust on a compromised AG's summary.

Barr has also made it clear that he will take his own sweet time releasing the actual report, so his claims about the report will be the only thing people talk about.

The trolling in here gives me faith... this is obviously not over.

They're still worried.

Why do we assume collusion = no more Trump? I doubt the GOP would remove him. They don’t care because Trump voters don’t care.

Mueller was told by Trump et al that they would take the Fifth if they were deposed. But he should have interviewed them anyway..filmed them so their shadiness was there for all to see.

The thought of trump's shit-eating grin makes me sick.

He is still a Russian asset. They just didn't prove collusion when it was right there out in the open.

I was always afraid he was going to get away with it, but I’m a hardcore pessimist.

There’s still the SDNY, I guess...

R107, that's a good point. The "Lifelong Democrat here" posts always cheer me up.

[quote] Life long Democrat here. I am glad the President has been cleared of being a Russian asset.

R485, from the previous thread: there is a section of the report that the public or anyone else in the WH, will not have access to, & that section is the information given to our intelligence agencies, such as the CIA, and the FBI.

That information will not be made public, nor can it be shared with Trump himself.

FYI.

Hilarious.

[QUOTE]Barr has also made it clear that he will take his own sweet time releasing the actual report, so his claims about the report will be the only thing people talk about.

He released Mueller’s summary, in Mueller’s own words. What the hell do you need the report for?

R106 That why the Dem House needs to take back control of the narrative from compromised Barr. They need to interview Mueller on all the questions about Trump campaign's contact with Russia that are still unanswered.

Is Mueller done after this report? Has his group disbanded? They are literally in the middle of several trials and sentencing hearings and negotiations. There are still a ton of unsealed indictments. They don't just go away because a report, most likely pushed by Barr's timeline, was issued. He's been funded through September. The grand jury is still in place until July. The DoJ announcing something and reality are not always the same thing anymore, sadly.

The Lifelong Democrat post is a bijou.

Trump is truly the luckiest bastard to ever lived. Throughout his entire life he has been a bully, a liar, a cheater and even a criminal but always gets away with it.

*sealed indictments

There are a couple of prolific trolls here

R117, this is not Mueller's summary in Mueller's words. This is a summary Barr drafted yesterday and today.

R104, that's a dip.

What anchor speculates on one story/investigation for two years?

Every time I tuned in Rachel was talking about Russia.She barely talked about anything else for balanced coverage like the border separations, Flint,disgruntled farmers in Iowa effected by tariffs, the increase in hate crimes across the country, the new heartbeat bills trying to ban and make abortion impossible, the voting ID restrictions, teacher strikes, the Dakota Pipeline, Yemen famine and crisis, Betsy Devos and whatever hell she is unleashing on public education that isn't reported on.

She wasted two years of coverage that could've actually informed and mobilized the public against Trump on a conspiracy

R121 It's the ART OF CORRUPTION.

Good point, R79. Trump must have lied in his written answers to Mueller.

my big fear now is that more moderates will start tuning into Fox "News" because they'll think the mainstream media has been lying to them the whole time about Trump

this is truly a terrible day for our country

Has Trump tweeted yet?

I can't bear to look.

[QUOTE] Rachel Maddow will continue on but I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a dip in ratings now. Who can possibly tune in to her after she spent two years of broadcast time speculating?

Her viewers are not critical thinkers. In fact, I think they enjoy being brainwashed.

How is it possible that two Trump appointees get to make the determination regarding obstruction? Especially Barr, who hasn't even been in office a full two months. That's obviously why they were put there, but it's so transparent, and reeks of bias.

The Democrats dragging Mueller before Congress will just make them look like sore losers.

Thank God that Nancy Pelosi’s in charge and knows to move on. She’d already taken impeachment off the table because she knew the Mueller Report would be a dud.

It’s time to move forward. We have a simple mission: to nominate a Democratic candidate who can win the states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan while holding onto the states Hillary won in 2016. That puts us over 270 and removes Trump the only way we ever could: at the ballot box. Forget this Russia bullshit. Relegate it to a whisper campaign if it will help us in 2020, but that’s it.

Trump tweeted "Make America Great Again" eight hours ago.

R125 Yes, she does talk about other things. You and R130 are obviously are anti-Maddow trolls. Go back to watching Faux News.

R125 - I totally agree! What a waste of an opportunity.

Richard Nixon did the same shit. He had people working for him declare him innocent.

Was Nixon innocent? NO. Is Trump innocent because his appointee declared it? NO.

But but he said Mueller was not to be trusted, that he was a crook. Are we to believe him NOW? Our own "president" said this about Mueller.

I think CNN and MSNBC have alot of responsibility in making Trump successful. It's almost intentional. They want him to win

Cable news ratings across the board were in the toilet before Trump announced. Trump is the oxygen they depend on

It is interesting how people think they have some sort of control of the outcome. And 2020 will belong to Trump too. We are fucked.

R134 even "The Nation", and liberals like Baldwin have criticized her.

r134, you are engaging with TROLLS.

Don't feed them.

[QUOTE]And 2020 will belong to Trump too. We are fucked.

I don’t think so.

I think many here are confused as to what this all means.

Trump has not been found innocent of obstruction of justice. There is a reason behind the obstruction. The full report, minus the classified intelligence submission, will give us all a comprehensive overview of what Mueller’s findings are.

Again, no collusion is very specific language. It does NOT mean no conspiracy, nor does it mean no collusion, or no money laundering for foreign assets.

Please read up on the legalese regarding this case, and once the report is released, you will have a more informed understanding of what this is, what it means, and what we’re actually dealing with.

Stop the myopic vision. It is an incorrect way of viewing this.

This isn’t over in the way that Trump & the Republicans want everyone to believe it’s over.

OJ was found 'not guilty.' Trump is 'not exonerated.' Latitude aplenty in that phrase, backed up with voluminous facts, to silence Trump. He's by no means smugly walking free like OJ did.

Nice defeatist attitude r139

We shouldn't even bother voting, right?

We saw the collusion and obstruction happen right in front of our eyes.

Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. That’s all it takes to ensure Trump loses in 2020. He’s the one with the uphill battle. He’s the one who should be sweating.

Just remember - the trolls would only be working if there was something they were trying to distract you from.

Don't bother engaging. No reason to let them earn that ruble.

R134, I'm a lifelong Democrat. I don't watch Fox. I watch Rachel. That's why I know what I'm saying is true whether you want to admit it or not

This is also something that's annoying. Anybody who doesnt think like you is automatically a troll.

Steve Cohen just said Barr is Trump's Roy Cohen.

Correction:

Again, no collusion is very specific language. It does NOT mean no conspiracy, nor does it mean no money laundering for foreign assets.

Trump finally has his own ROY COHN!

I'm so happy for him!

Now can he drop dead?

That’s it exactly, R150. Remember how mad Trump was because Jeff Sessions wasn’t like Roy Cohn?

All you bitches can suck my balls. You all got played. Ha ha ha!!!!

We just got Barr's propaganda summary. We have not seen the report of what Mueller found at all. The devil is in the details.

The Empire Struck Back.

I hope you're right R143; I can't help but feel that sinking feeling of despair that I felt election night.

I'll be curious to see what old Nancy's next move is. She's nobody's fool - and likely saw this coming - so it will be interesting to see how she plays it.

I want to believe that it's not really over, on the other hand, I can't help but thinking I'm just on the opposite side of the fence from those fools who kept insisting Benghazi was a conspiracy, when it turns out the whole thing was just some tragic clusterfuck with deadly consequences.

The fact that he actually put in his summary that Mueller's report DID NOT exonerate Dotard means there's a whole lot of shit in the report and he couldn't NOT put that in. out.

We all saw him admit to firing Comey because of the "Russian thing." That was obstruction, yet Mueller could not figure it out. With the racist in charge of everything, what have good Americans got left?

The only reason that was put in the summary was insurance in case the full report gets out.

None of this makes any sense. It just doesn't. We all have eyes. We watched trump commit obstruction. We read trump camp emails where they can't wait to meet with Russians and Wikileaks.

And what the fuck is up with Michael Flynn? The guy's actions were so bad his judge called it treason in open court. But Mueller recommended a tiny little slap on the wrist for Flynn. We all assumed it was because Flynn had flipped on someone bigger, and the only person bigger was trump.

So Mueller, Mr. Captain America, let a goddamn traitor go with a slap on the wrist because.......why, exactly? And on top of that, Flynn STILL isn't in jail. He's running around America giving speeches and leading chants of lock her up.

And everyone on these threads who said Rosenstein couldn't be trusted were apparently right all along.

I can imagine what he’s going to say about this:

“Haha, I got away with it you dumb bitches. Now I’m going to enjoy spending the rest of this term and the whole next one fucking America in the ass! And when the financial crash and Great Depression 2.0 comes along, and the whole country is bankrupt, I don’t have to worry because Putin will thank me with a fancy dacha and an income for life! Meanwhile, you fuckers will be living in cardboard boxes and fighting over rats in the street! Hahaha!”

Once Barr was confirmed, the FIX was in. It's his job to make crimes go away. Mueller either folded or is playing a deeper game than we know.

The investigation proves trump colluded, at least to some extent. And I don’t mean what Mueller reported in his results.

I mean the way Trump raged against it, especially as time wore on and it got closer to being released. If there was no collusion, why would he have raged like that?

Anyway, mission accomplished. This investigation crippled Trump’s presidency, led to the guilty pleas and/or convictions of multiple Trump cronies, and has opened a Pandora’s box on trump’s ass that’s going to keep giving and giving and giving ....

Mueller is a snake in the grass and I am not surprised.

You can appreciate that Maddow is a sorry excuse for a journalist & not be a Faux troll. Hayes is the only one worth watching on MSNBC.

The people who have turned on Mueller are sad specimens. How many guilty pleas, how many convictions, how many cooperators? How much info referred to the SDNY? Grow up you babies.

[quote] no collusion is very specific language. It does NOT mean no conspiracy, nor does it mean no money laundering for foreign assets.

Barr's summary quotes directly from Mueller's report:

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

So Mueller himself is saying there was no evidence that they colluded, conspired or coordinated.

No one will ever top Roy Cohn, who was even a bigger scumbag than Trump.

Anyone who knew Cohn will tell you the same thing: he had no moral high ground, and was one of the dirtiest people to have ever walked the face of the earth.

Had Cohn been born a few years earlier, and in Germany, he could have rivaled Hitler. And I don’t say that lightly, nor with disregard to who Hitler was, or what he did.

It is so simple to read up on Cohn, and what kind of life he led, yet for some strange reason, the Republicans and FOX, never speak about Cohn, or write about him. Come to think about it, neither does the general MSM.

Cohn was a HORRIBLE human being, & please allow me to be crystal clear: my estimation regarding him, has NOTHING to do with him having been gay.

No way can you have this man as a mentor, best friend, & primary legal advisor, as Trump did, & not be as dirty as he was. No fucking way.

Good, decent, ethical, & moral people do not associate with the likes of Roy Cohn.

Putin tells Trump what he needs to do, to hurt our country a little bit everyday. We should not be confused about that.

No he’s not saying there’s “no evidence.” He’s saying it wasn’t ESTABLISHED.

I am sorry, but we are all fucking idiots thinking that actual politics is supposed to deal with the corrupt political system.

If Putin tells Trump what to do, he isn't doing a good job considering the Trump administration passed more sanctions against Russia and Venezuela.

The holes in the logic of Trump being a Russian asset are everywhere.

[quote]So Mueller, Mr. Captain America, let a goddamn traitor go with a slap on the wrist because.....why, exactly?

Except he didn't. Barr's (and allegedly Rosenstein's) conclusions/summary does not equal Mueller's actual report.

And Turd just told another lie: he is NOT "completely exonerated".

[quote]We have a simple mission: to nominate a Democratic candidate who can win the states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan while holding onto the states Hillary won in 2016. That puts us over 270 and removes Trump the only way we ever could: at the ballot box. Forget this Russia bullshit. Relegate it to a whisper campaign if it will help us in 2020, but that’s it.

Ah, yes, give Republicans a pass ONCE AGAIN for their behavior. Because that's been working out so well since 1980.

You better hope that your warm and fuzzy feelings about 2020 also include getting the house and Senate. Because if you let this shit slide, and there's a Republican majority in either (or both) you can forget them wanting to work with the democratic president, and doing everything they can to obstruct him until the next Republican comes along.

At some point, this pattern really needs to be stopped. How many more times do Democrats want the country to be near the brink of destruction before they do something?

[quote] No he’s not saying there’s “no evidence.” He’s saying it wasn’t ESTABLISHED.

Sure, I know. But the other poster was saying that there could have been conspiracy or coordination, even if there was no collusion. I was pointing out that Mueller's report mentioned all three.

“Trump administration passed more sanctions against Russia and Venezuela.”

Link?

This is another right wing lie.

Shame on Mueller for not getting Trump on perjury. That right there shows you where Mueller's true loyalties are.

I don't understand why any of you thought that this report would make a difference one way or another. In the era of alternative facts and the labeling of mainstream fact-based news as fake news, even a very damning report would have been dismissed by his supporters and the spineless mainstream Republicans in office who fear his supporters.

I live in Trump country and I knew this report would have made no difference either way. As others have noted it's time to look to 2020 and nominate someone electable. Not somebody ideologically pure, who agrees with you on every issue. Not someone who "deserves it". Someone who can stand up to Trump's abuse and ridicule and respond smartly to it.

We need someone who. will make a compelling case for a positive hopeful future that addresses the concerns of those people who thought that electing a businessman would lead to them having a better job prospects and reviving the industrial base.

We also need someone who's smart enough not to demonize huge swathes of the electorate by calling them deplorable. Deplorable or not, they truly are highly motivated voters, and if we can't sway them to our side we can at least not make them more excited about voting for Trump by demonizing them. The Russian trolls understand that the more divided we are, the more likely we are to elect Putin's best friend.

If the Access Hollywood pussy grabbing audio tape or the revelation he cheated on his pregnant wife with a Playboy model and a porn actress did not bring him down certainly collusion would not have either.

If you want Trump out, you need to support the next Democratic candidate candidate no matter how flawed he or she is.

I just got a news alert on my phone that says

[quote]Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction of Justice”

Every deplorable from here to kimbuckto is feeling a renewed sense of emboldenment

People of color and immigrants are fucked now more than ever

[quote] The assholes on Fox, repubs and Trump will be crowing.

After two years of this empty bullshit from CNN and MSNBC won't they be entitled ?

[quote] my big fear now is that more moderates will start tuning into Fox "News" because they'll think the mainstream media has been lying to them the whole time about Trump

Now why would they think that

Well, Tru has just broken his Twitter sabbatical, as expected.

I see some people can't admit that they got played by Maddow. They're called ratings, folks.

Every day Trump has been in office, he has been conspiring with Putin. We all know that. So much diryt, so much filth existing in our White House.

Manafort has saved Trump and soon he'll get his pardon.

[quote] I am glad the President has been cleared of being a Russian asset.

He WASN'T. The summary from Barr says that he was NOT exonerated.

I'm kinda glad Rachel's off tonight; the last thing I need to see today is her giving deplorables ammo with her hang dog concern face and "somebody please, for the love of God, talk me off the ledge!" attitude.

R177, the US has been adding sanctions along with blackouts, oil supply manipulation, and other tactics to force Putin's ally Maduro out.

If Trump is a Putin puppet, why the hell would we be bothering Venezuela? We are on the opposite side of Putin regarding Venezuela.

Oh yeah Saudi Arabia wants to get Venezuela out of OPEC and that's who Trump is really working for like all Republicans. Working for the same Sharia law oil sheiks they claim to despise

After Cohen revealed that Trump was still in contact with Russia about Trump Tower Moscow during the campaign and lied about it, Mueller still can't connect the dots? Something doesn't smell right.

I knew this was going to be the outcome. This was all a show to placate the people.

We were played folks.

So Barr did this by pretending that the only crimes being examined were the two Russian interference operations, not other potential crimes (like quid pro quo, for which there's lots of public evidence). Therefore if no proof of crime, then obstruction of justice is not possible. It's a total crock.

I'm drunk and this still sucks.

R187 she's heavily medicated

Django Unplugged is kind of a good film to watch today. The bad guys in Washington got away with everyhing but in Django, all the bad guys were killed. It kind of gives you a dream.

Barr is protecting the GOP's interest. It's in their interest to keep Trump in the White House.

When will the US public finally wake up that we are all being lied to and given false hope in order to let these corrupt assholes fuck us over?

Wait for this, if that fails (big surprise!) wait for this, if that fails (big surprise!) wait for this, if that fails (big surprise!) wait for this ...

The turd just won his second term today. Only a global recession can help us now.

R181 has a point. The MSM seems to get played by Trump on a regular basis. He's always one step ahead of everyone else.

If the Repugs in Congress, especially the Senate, won't do their jobs, this was the only hope to stop him. Everything from here on out will only be spin fodder.

Look for Hillary to be hauled in in 3, 2, 1...

God, I can’t take Trump another term. It’s extremely nerve wracking with Trump’s Twitter troll bullshit and lies 24/7. Get out keep eating donuts with no sleep!

How can two people who were APPOINTED by Dump give an interpretation of the report that Dump isn't guilty of collusion. or conspiracy, or obstruction. Barr and Rosenstein have a vested interest in protecting their orange god's fat, putrid ass. RIP United States of America.

You are right, Republicans played us for the well meaning suckers we are.

R138.. Agree 1000%..

This thread is filling fast. I'm going to start "Part 92" so that it's there when we need it.

Young hot gays come to Europe, find a nice man from a nice family and marry him. Your country of origin is disgusting.

They need to re-name the Justice Department. There is no justice there anymore.

Have Mueller and Barr subpoenaed to testify before the House committee.

Enough with "let's just move on" bullshit. That's what Republicans want. We can't risk letting another Republican administration off the hook.

[quote] He WASN'T. The summary from Barr says that he was NOT exonerated.

otherwise called proving negative. Prosecutors don't do that in the real world.

I just turned on the TV and went to MSNBC. Scarborough is hoarse like he's been screaming. And he's spinning like a centrifuge.

[quote] Republicans played us for the well meaning suckers we are

Rachel on Fire ain't a republican.

Troll at R204 sounds mighty desperate.

If Trump croaks it's Pence for sure now that this shit is over. Why?! I'm nauseated

The only conclusion from today is the DOJ is a corrupt cesspool. Dem House needs to investigate with its SUBPOENA POWER. The people want to know!

I'm chomping at the bit to see how Morning Joe reacts to this tomorrow.

[quote] my big fear now is that more moderates will start tuning into Fox "News" because they'll think the mainstream media has been lying to them the whole time about Trump

I hate to say this, and I will surely be called a troll, but can you blame them? Throughout 2016, they were told that Hillary would win the election. The only question was by how big of a margin. Then, once Trump took office, they were told that the Mueller report would be damaging for Trump and lead to impeachment. Can you blame them for not trusting the mainstream media?

The media have become too fixated on opinion and speculation and punditry. If they would focus on reporting the facts they know to be true rather than having talking heads speculate wildly on what might happen in the future, they wouldn't find themselves with egg on their faces.

I don't know where anyone is getting he's been cleared, Mueller did NOT clear the president. The house judiciary committee is calling for BARR to explain Barrs discrepancies.

Mueller said he would not prosecute a sitting president.

That is not the same thing as trump is innocent.

"Here’s the thing, though: at least given what they lay out here, they only considered whether Trump was covering up his involvement in the hack-and-leak operation. It doesn’t consider whether Trump was covering up a quid pro quo, which is what there is abundant evidence of.

They didn’t consider whether Trump obstructed the crime that he appears to have obstructed. They considered whether he obstructed a different crime. And having considered whether Trump obstructed the crime he didn’t commit, rather than considering whether he obstructed the crime he did commit, they decided not to charge him with a crime."

As for me I am going to forget all of this stuff and just watch YouTube music videos instead.

R213 And Faux News was so right about the midterms elections. LOL Faux News can't explain away the campaign fiance crime committed by "Individual 1" or the many lies he told. Independent voters are not stupid as you seem to think.

So why did the GOP platform suddenly change towards a pro-Putin stance on Ukraine? Why were the Russians communicating with Trump Tower servers? Why did Manafort give polling data to the Russians? Why were Jared and Ivanka meeting Wendy Deng in Croatia? Why did Russia funnel 25M into NRA? Why is Maria Butina under arrest? Cohen takes the fall for being the Trump bad guy? Flynn gets off with a slap on wrist when the judge wanted to try him for treason? Princes Seyshells meeting? The Steel Dossier? None of this connects. You've got to be kidding me.

[quote] I'm chomping at the bit to see how Morning Joe reacts to this tomorrow.

I'll save you the suspense. It will be nonstop 𝑺𝒐𝒖𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒏 𝑫𝒊𝒔𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒄𝒕 𝒐𝒇 𝑵𝒆𝒘 𝒀𝒐𝒓𝒌. Moving the goalposts for the suckers in the audience.

Subpoena is Dems' "trump card". Use it often! We need to cut through the Trump enabling DOJ to get to the truth.

Why is Brennen such an outspoken critic of Trump? Because he knows and has seen the truth. We need people who know the truth to step up and be patriots - even if it means breaking classified information. We need our foreign friends to release their intelligence.

I can't seem to link to Rep Nadlers twitter. He expressly states trump is NOT exonerated. Barr is refusing to have the DOJ take any action.

Well that was not the result I was expecting, but it sounds like Barr and Rosenstein are invested in putting a bow on it and calling it a day. It’s unfortunate that the lesson for future Republicans is to know how to cheat and lie and get away with it. I have faith something will eventually stick to Trump because he and those around him are so corrupt.

Nadler: We will call in Barr to testify

Jinx!

R223 It's not the end of this Russian affair at all. There are just too many unanswered questions and allegations still dangling out there. If Mueller folds, then the Dem House needs to step up with a real investigation.

Barr's letter is utter bullshit. It states things as fact that we know for sure are not true - such as the "investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 election." We KNOW this is bullshit, because we know about Jr's meeting with the Russians at Trump Tower (just for starters). Are we seriously supposed to believe they talked about bake sales (or adoption, or whatever the fuck else they made up)? And what about the change of platform to be pro-Russia at the GOP conference?

This letter is the most egregious case of attempted gaslighting of a nation I have ever seen by its government. If the Democrats in Congress let this stand without insisting on seeing the full report and supporting evidence, they are almost as much of a disgrace as the asshole who wrote this letter. And Mueller is either being misrepresented, his whole purpose was to cover for the GOP, or he's an incompetent idiot who should never have been charged with this investigation in the first place.

I am seriously concerned at this point that the USA is done as a nation that can hope to be respected on any level.

Cue the pardons. Manafort and Stone are going to be MIGHTILY rewarded for their silence and loyalty during this investigation. Trump will frame them as victims of a witch hunt and pardon them. And you know what? He will get away with it. We are in a post law and order Executive Branch when it comes to Republicans.

[quote] He expressly states trump is NOT exonerated.

Nadler is fucking with you. Failure to charge IS exoneration. Prosecutors do not return verdicts of not guilty, it's not their role in the system. If they have a case they proceed. If they don't have a case they close the file.

This was exactly what Trump needed. After the monumental collapse of his plan for a wall, he will now spend the rest of his term gloating on twitter and at rallies over the pathetic nothing-burger of a witch hunt and his base (AND independents) will just cream itself.

R154 - “All you bitches can suck my balls. You all got played. Ha ha ha!!!!”

“—Gay and voted for trump 🤣”

No one is interested in sucking your balls; rather, we are interested in twisting them beyond recognition when Nadler subpoenas Muller and Barr, and forces them to explain themselves.

The real story is the GOP cover up all of Trump's misdeeds and lies.

Also, what R218 said.

Trump and the Republican Party always cry witch hunt when the attention is on them and their crimes.And they will insist that Barr and Mueller, from their party, delivered proof of no wrong-doing. And all the Democratic Party will say "Oh well, we tried, but let's focus on the 2020 election and let's play fair this time! We sure will!.

So Trump’s meetings with Putin, with no Americans present, where he ripped up the transcript, amounted to what...nothing???

Mueller needs to clarify with his own official press release.

R230, it wasn’t Mueller’s Job to charge Trump per DOJ policy. What are you talking about?

[quote] when Nadler subpoenas Muller and Barr,

Democrats still looking for collusion after the two year investigation.

R236 Yes, Faux News will say nothing to see here. Move along. That is essentially Barr's summary as well, isn't it?

If there was nothing there this whole time why were former intelligence officials, of both parties, who were in positions to know things, running around with their hair on fire after Trump was elected? And if he was innocent this whole time of conspiring with Russia, or being in Putin's pocket, why did Trump systematically take out everyone at the top of FBI who was an expert in the Russian mafia and Putin's crimes? If he's NOT beholden to Putin for something, why does Trump act like he is?

Q: Where do Melania and Jarvanka get all their Botox from?

A: The kitchen at Mar-A-Lago.

This isn't going to make Trump any less crazy. He will be his own downfall.

Look everyone knows -even his supports- Trump is a low-life, corrupt scumbag, not fit to wipe my ass...but lets keep focus, there are 16 investigations ongoing, there is still a counter-intelligence investigation and the congressional investigations. We have some damn good candidates who can now focus on 2020 and the many issues that have been forgotten by this administration of cretans. I'm not discouraged in the least. The focus should be on beating this lying grifter in 2020. Let's move along.

[quote] it wasn’t Mueller’s Job to charge Trump per DOJ policy. What are you talking about?

Posters early on insisted that he has the power to convict (a sitting president) and Mueller would do so since he supposedly put country before party affiliation.

I love retards like R239.

Ahem. Benghazi. Ahem. Her Emails!

[quote] Barr's letter is utter bullshit. It states things as fact that we know for sure are not true - such as the "investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 election."

I agree that we need to see the full report, and that there might still be some damaging details in the report, but Barr's letter quotes directly from the report.

"“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Those are Mueller's words directly from the report, not Barr's. They may be bullshit, but they are the official findings.

Again, logic tells you... if Rethugs and Deplorables really feel like they've been exonerated, why are they trying so hard to convince everyone it's over and stop any discussion on the matter?

If those words are indeed Mueller's words then Mueller wasn't the savior we've been made to believe.

R182, is the word on the street true? Is it so that when Trump isn’t Tweeting, or sleeping, he’s posting incessantly on DataLounge???

Who knows. It’s what some people are saying.

R241 We don't know. All we know for sure is that whatever they were doing, didn't have anything to do with election interference. That's all Mueller was appointed to investigate. It doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy, and it certainly doesn't mean no crimes were committed. It only means they didn't involve any effort to interfere in the election.

I don't get it, Mueller never interviewed Donald Jr, Jared or Brad Parscale and Manafort lied his ass off, but Mueller can conclude that no one from the campaign colluded with Russia? HOW?

R251, no it's the reverse. We know Russia interfered. We don't know if they coordinated with the the dumbass Trump campaign.

Oops! That was meant for r183, and r184. Sorry. It’s been a L O N G day.

Sigh...

I'm suspecting this thread will fill up by 9:00 pm Eastern Time Zone.

Heartbroken, but maybe hubris will still be his downfall.

[quote] If those words are indeed Mueller's words then Mueller wasn't the savior we've been made to believe.

Barr's full letter is posted on the NY Times site. Here is the passage in question. Barr gives his own paraphrased summary, but then he quotes directly from the Mueller report:

[quote] The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

R251 We know that's not true just by Trump Jr.'s meeting with Russians and their subsequent lies about it. That reveal their intent to collude. Many believe the DNC hacking is the direct result of this collusion. This is harder to prove given that Russia does a thorough job of obstructing investigation and covering up.

Barr’s summary of the Mueller Report was written & distributed without review/input from Mueller.

This delivery of Mueller’s report is the end of one phase and the beginning of another.

The Republican Congress is corrupt. The Executive Branch is corrupt. Certain members of the Supreme Court are corrupt.

The Federal Arena is compromised. This is not going to go down in DC.

Collusion is a foolish word in the first place.

It isn't even a crime

[quote] Collusion is a foolish word in the first place. It isn't even a crime

A distinction that seemed to escape MSNBC and CNN reporting for the last two years.

R259 Dictators can only rise with many enablers pushing him up and we have a lot of enablers in DC right now. That's a red alert for all thinking citizens.

Isn't the point of a campaign to collude to win?

Hillary colluded with CNN to cover her instead of Bernie.

Trump colluded with Wikileaks to get DNC emails that came from their own leaks. Probably from that Seth guy that got murdered in DC

DNC still refuses to turn over server to the FBI to look for the Russian hack. They said they only want their own privately hired cyber security firm to investigate their server lol. That's because the DNC Wikileaks dump came from an insider there-probably a disgruntled 20 something Bernie bro angry at the favoritism for Hillary

Speaking of corruption, I wonder if Barr's son-in-law Tyler is one of the White House counsel lawyers advising Trump today?

We need to move on as a country. Trump won the presidency and he’s doing a great job. The sooner everyone unites together to support our President the better off we will all be.

Barr states that Mueller only looked for links between Trump/his campaign and the IRA (the hackers) ....he did not look into any other links and/or if Trump was an asset.

Barr met with Rosenstein and white house counsel (Barrs son works there) to determine the outcome for his letter.....Mueller did not consult.

I find it hard to believe that all those people and all those secret meetings were coincidental....Prince, Nader, Junior, etc.....

I don’t believe that we will ever be told what REALLY happened, due to reasons that we aren’t aware of, and mainly, for national security purposes.

I never, EVER believed Trump was going to be indicted, or impeached, which is why I chose to not participate in any of these threads, until today. However, please let me give MAJOR props to our DataLounger who ever so cleverly titled these threads, managed their output and references, and to all the DLers who participated faithfully, while offering some very good insight, & some really funny shit.

Trump and his cronies are as dirty as they come, and this report means very little to me.

So if you cheat and coordinate and do business with Russian citizens interested in helping you beat your opponent that is okay? Not understanding the logic here.

Robert Mueller’s investigation into the 2016 presidential election is predicated on Russian intelligence having hacked the Democratic National Committee’s computers. Russia’s guilt is such an article of faith among our political class, that a Republican-controlled Congress imposed sanctions and President Trump signed on, substantially worsening relations with an important and potentially dangerous nation. Outside the Acela Corridor, however, one finds more skepticism.

Alot of ordinary folks wonder why the DNC wouldn’t let any outside parties examine their server. Instead, the FBI accepted the word of CrowdStrike, a private contractor hired by the DNC, without any independent confirmation. And a bunch of not so ordinary folks who know a thing or two about computers thinks there may be a simple explanation for the DNC’s unwillingness to let outsiders have a peek at the evidence: There isn’t any. The Russian hacking that’s caused so much division and turmoil at home and abroad never really happened. It was all a ruse concocted by CrowdStrike.

Glenn Greenwad taking a very well earned series of victory laps on his twitter account.

Glenn Greenwald ‏Verified account @ggreenwald 42m42 minutes ago

Everyone who questioned this buillshit scam from the start - who endured accusations of being Kremlin agents, Putin stooges, Trump supporters, anti-US haters, who got banned from cable news & had smear jobs published in the New Yorker & the like - should wear it all with pride.

Please reference r265 for some of the really funny shit of which I speak.

"“[The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”]

Ok, but what about Trump? What about people who were not “members of the Trump campaign”?

“Beyond a reasonable doubt”, remember.

[quote]The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

The sentence I quoted was Barr's: "The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election." That, as I stated, is utter, gaslighting bullshit. We KNOW they did from the information that is in the public domain.

The quote from the report says: "[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

That does not state what Barr says it does, and anyone who doesn't get that has failed reading comprehension in class. When a lawyer says that something is "not established", that means that they don't have sufficient proof to prove it in court (with something like 90% certainty). It does not mean that there aren't great big signs leading one to believe that's what happened; it means everyone lied their asses off, and legally it cannot be proven. Also NOTE: Muller says "the Russian GOVERNMENT", which Barr then changes to "Russia". It's easy to believe that Mueller couldn't establish proof of Trump coordination with the Russian GOVERNMENT - that's not who Putin used to do his dirty work. But all the fucking oligarchs and others the Trump bunch were cosying up to aren't part of the Russian "government."

Barr is choosing his words carefully to spin what the report says, because of fucking course he is. Until everyone can read the actual report, and then probably Congress will need to grill Mueller for further clarification, this is all just a game of spin and gaslighting by Barr on behalf of Trump.

Someone better put Maddow on suicide watch.

R268 Political expediency has a way to overlook wrong-doings. Politics have already been dirty, but Team Trump is dumb and dirty, which makes it more insulting to the American people who can clearly see Trump's a crook.

One such skeptic is an anonymous journalist and computer aficionado who goes by the pseudonym “Adam Carter.” Carter has spent the last couple of years cataloging evidence, unearthed by himself and others, that CrowdStrike engaged in a disinformation campaign, inventing not just a fake Russian hack but also a fake hacker called “Guccifer 2.0.” Much, but by no means all, of Carter’s evidence is technical. And he’s unquestionably found an inconsistency in the Russia narrative that ought to raise doubts in even the most computer illiterate congressman’s mind.

Julian Assange’s Threat But first, why on earth would a private contractor hired by the DNC engage in such tactics? For motive, we need to go back to June 12, 2016, when Wikileaks founder Julian Assange made an announcement that was sure to worry Hillary Clinton and her closest advisers:

We have upcoming leaks in relation to Hillary Clinton . . . We have emails pending publication.

A little less than three months earlier, on March 19, hostile actors had gotten ahold of all the emails in campaign chairman John Podesta’s main Gmail account. You may have heard that Podesta’s emails were “hacked,” but they weren’t. There were no faraway cyber-nerds searching for some vulnerability in the DNC network. He fell for a common “spear phishing” scam. A fake email from Google arrived, saying he needed to change his password and providing a link. The link was also fake. Instead of changing his password, Podesta gave it away—along with all of his campaign emails.

Oops

I think Mueller took a very narrow approach - he could not verify any coordination with the Russian government. Russians sure, but not the government. To my mind they are the same, so what was he expecting? A contract or confidential letter? They don’t work that way. As for obstruction, Trump admired this on TV.

This feels like Republicans letting Republicans off the hook.

It seems very clear from the troll postings today that there is a desperate tactic in place:

We need them to stop talking about it. Get them to move on as quickly as possible.

So, be aware of it and question why, if they feel so vindicated, they're pushing so hard.

R274, thank you for having the ability to read and comprehend ACCURATELY.

Not admired, admitted.

Whoops! The Clinton campaign learned of Podesta’s blunder almost immediately and must have suspected that the emails Assange was threatening to release were his. Moreover, on that date, a lot of the revelations contained therein would have been salient—and not in a good way.

Just six days before, with Clinton still 570 delegates short of the 2,382 needed to win the Democratic nomination, the Associated Press angered Bernie Sanders and his supporters by claiming that she’d already won. The New York Times, CNN, NBC News, USA Today, and The Washington Post all followed suit, declaring Sanders’ loss a fait accompli. But it wasn’t. The AP arrived at its numbers by polling unpledged superdelegates, who couldn’t vote until the convention and were free to change their minds or even to deceive the AP.

Sanders supporters had been angry about the role superdelegates played in the nominating process for months. Sanders himself complained about it just one week before Assange’s announcement and a day before the media began writing his campaign’s obituary:

My problem is that the process today has allowed Secretary Clinton to get the support of over 400 superdelegates before any other Democratic candidate was in the race. The next day’s headlines prematurely declaring Clinton’s victory brought Sanders’ supporters long-simmering anger to a boil. His spokesman blasted the corporate media’s “rush to judgement”:

Secretary Clinton does not have and will not have the requisite number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination. She will be dependent on superdelegates who do not vote until July 25 and who can change their minds between now and then.

For the rest of the week, the big election story was whether Sanders would exit the race gracefully and encourage his followers to forgive, forget, and rally round Hillary Clinton. But just 12 hours after Assange’s announcement, Sanders emerged from a meeting with his top advisors, refusing to concede and reiterating his determination not to let the media gaslight his candidacy into a lost cause:

"[W]e are going to take our campaign to the convention with the full understanding that we’re very good in arithmetic and that we know who has received the most votes up until now."

The Immensity of Podesta’s Blunder Podesta’s blunder had the potential to damage Hillary Clinton’s already precarious reputation with voters regardless of their feelings about Bernie Sanders. In some of his pilfered emails, top Clinton advisors, including Podesta himself, insulted her abilities and her ethics, commented on her poor health, made disparaging remarks about Catholics, Muslims, blacks, and Latinos, and complained that Clinton wanted “unaware and compliant” voters.

Many of Podesta’s emails also contradict claims made in defense of the private email server Clinton used as Secretary of State. Others reveal that the FBI investigation into the matter was anything but unbiased. At a minimum, the emails prove the Clinton campaign knew from the beginning that she was breaking the law.

It’s easy to forget how serious an issue Clinton’s private server was on June 12, 2016, three weeks before FBI Director James Comey publicly exonerated her. A few weeks earlier, the State Department had sharply rebuked Clinton for violating department rules, generating unpleasant headlines like, “Hillary Clinton’s email problems just got much worse.”

A June 1 Morning Consult poll found that about half of voters thought her private email server was “illegal, unethical and a major problem,” with a quarter of Democrats agreeing. There’s little question that Assange’s threat would have made the poll disturbingly salient to Clinton and her top advisers.

Also, take notice of how much more frequently they'll bring up Hillary. They only do this when they are trying to desperately distract.

Thread 91. How many hours did all you fools all waste on this transparent garbage ? "Desperately distract" my ass. You and the media and Schiff and Nadler look like IDIOTS.

Fine, if the report really “exonerates” Trump, then release the full report.

r285 No you fuckstick- anyone who doesn't believe their own fucking eyes where this asshole was conspiring in real time, meeting with Putin in private and such, is the real fucking idiot wasting their time on a criminal, scumbag piece of shit Pres Bone Spurs.

Christ, I can hardly keep up with all the trolls I'm having to block on these threads today.

R285 proving the point.

It's so bothered.

Trump was specifically not exonerated.

If he wasn't conspiring with Russia regarding the election, why did Paul Manafort give Trump campaign internal polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, a man Mueller himself alleges is a Russian spy? He just had the shit on hand and gave it over for no reason? Kony is just really into polling data? That was a member of the Trump campaign conspiring with Russia to effect the 2016 election. William Barr is full of shit.

Why is Greenwald so happy? He’s a Trump supporter now?

For anyone who gives a shit about the details, here's Seth's thread.

I sure hope someone is going to ask Mueller a question like "why did he not interview every single higher up of Trump's election campaign, and Trump himself, when it was a vital part of his investigation?".

R292, Greenwald's been a Trumpette Asshole for a long time.

Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. His deplorable comments about McCain last week were a glimpse into the dark recesses of his mind. If he hadn't run for POTUS the world may have mistaken him for a genius billionaire. But this is a sick mind.

He will trip up. And he will go down in flames.

I want to see Trump’s written answers.

Seth Abramson:

"Well, I thought there was *no* evidence Trump colluded *via secret agreement with the IRA or Russian hackers*—I always said that—so [bold]now[/bold] I want to know why Mueller said he wasn't able to "exonerate" Trump on that allegation. I mean—wow."

"On Obstruction, once Congress gets all Mueller's hard evidence, they should proceed with impeachment (or at worst, wait for other federal prosecutors to finish their collusion investigations). Why? Because if the *public evidence* made a [bold]prima facie[/bold] case—it did—so did Mueller."

"PS/ As ever, my concern about the media *isn't* an accusation of bad faith: I think people are rushin'—and don't understand certain things they *need* to understand to do their jobs well tonight, like *what the collusion allegation actually was*—so threads like this are critical."

[quote] R274: “Beyond a reasonable doubt”, remember.

I meant, there might have been lots of evidence of guilt, but not enough, in Mueller’s eyes, to convict [italic] “beyond a reasonable doubt”. [/italic]

There is no reason to lie if they weren't doing anything wrong. Did they lie, yes, that has been ascertained. Only the extremely stupid would lie to get their plea deals rescinded and work for a longer prison sentence, if they weren't doing anything worth lying about.

Also, that STUPID policy of “not indicting a siting President” was created by a man who was no more wise or holy than Mueller or the current AG. He just got there first.

I have it on good word that Glen Greenwald picks the corn out of Trump's turds, pops them up, snacks and then calls it a 3 star Michelin meal.

Dore’s sentiments are being echoed around the small sphere of progressive political commentators who’ve been saying since the beginning that Russiagate was a pernicious lie advanced by secretive government agencies who’ve been plotting to shove Russia off the world stage since the fall of the Soviet Union, by the Democrats who’ve had a vested interest in avoiding accountability for their failures and malfeasance in the 2016 election, and by the mass media who’ve been reaping extreme profits by peddling the clickbait sensationalist conspiracy theory that the Kremlin has infiltrated the highest levels of the US government.

And rightly so. It is good that these alternative media figures are puffing their chests and shouting their I-told-you-sos, because you can be absolutely certain that the people who’ve been advancing the Russiagate narrative will never go out of their way to acknowledge the undeniable fact that they have been proven wrong while there were voices standing to their left getting it right. The mainstream narrative will do its very best to pace mainstream attention away from the inconvenient fact that there was abundant evidence contradicting a narrative which monopolized public energy for more than two years while manufacturing support for dangerous cold war escalations and sucking all oxygen out of the room for discussion of progressive reforms, so it is absolutely necessary for those voices who have been vindicated to make noise about it themselves.

How’s this one looking?” asked Aaron Maté on Twitter, linking to a post he made last year correctly predicting the outcome of the Mueller investigation: “My prediction, FWIW: 0 indictments/claims of a Trump-Russia conspiracy. Mueller throws faithful a bone w/ suggestive wording like ‘questionable/suspicious/unexplained’ activity. We’re left w/ indictments unrelated to collusion/campaign, or for process crimes resulting from probe.”

“Russiagate skeptics will be vindicated as we expected to be, but those responsible for this fake neocon intrigue got a new Cold War, record defense budgets, and a McCarthyite political atmosphere to denigrate opponents of permanent war,” tweeted journalist Max Blumenthal. “A waste of energy and a setback for peace.” “Early on, I argued with Rep. Jamie Raskin that Trump should be opposed on a principled, progressive basis — not with a phony intel intrigue cooked up by spooks and Clinton dead enders,” Blumenthal added. “Like most Dems, he went with Russiagate & wound up emboldening Trump.” “For almost three years I’ve been lambasted every single day for ‘defending Trump’ because I rejected that there was ample evidence for a Trump/Russia global espionage conspiracy,” tweeted journalist Michael Tracey. “You know who was really ‘defending Trump’ after all? The people who promoted this nonsense.” “I’m not gleeful — just disgusted that much of the US media spent 2 years spreading baseless (but very dangerous) conspiracy theories and mindlessly believing what their CIA, NSA and FBI sources whispered to them without seeing evidence — yet again,” tweeted journalist Glenn Greenwald. “The Mueller news is exactly what I expected and told you would happen,” tweeted Secular Talk’s Kyle Kulinski. “But relax, centrist dems, I also predicted that when Trump is no longer POTUS he will be indicted on financial crimes, and this will also come to pass.”

As I said in my pinned thread—which I hope those with a moment will read and retweet—the only surprising thing about Mueller's conclusions re: a Trump-IRA/Trump-GRU conspiracy is that he apparently *did* find some evidence (if not enough) when frankly I thought there was none.

5/ If Mueller had said that there's no evidence Trump's Russia policy is the result of bribery—and constitutes aiding and abetting Russia's interference efforts *after the fact*—I'd be outraged, and would say that Democrats should be outraged. But that's *not* what happened here.

On Obstruction, Congress remains the only body that can or will speak finally to the issue. On collusion, the investigation of what Democrats have called "collusion" *continues*.

Two Options: 1) We the American People were either Royally Fucked in a way we have never been before Or 2) There is Still more to Come and this is a temporary Feint by Mueller to appease the Orange Beast, buy time, and try the Trump family and it's treasonous Colleagues in the New York Legal system so that thesr Criminals cannot evade justice. If the former is true, than not only are Democrats Fucked, but even the miserable, cretinous Deplorable worshippers doomed, because they will inevitably face thw justice they supremely deserve as Trump puts the final nails into the coffin of America with his terrifying and destructive policies.

Clear-eyed leftists got Russiagate right while everyone else got it wrong because they were the only group ideologically positioned to do so. People defending Trump on the right were doing so out of blind partisan loyalty while ignoring out of necessity what has long been the single most damning piece of evidence against Russiagate: the fact that Trump has been advancing insanely aggressive escalations against Russia and its allies, thereby showing him to be at least as much of a neocon-coddling establishment crony as his predecessors. Those advancing the narrative from the Democratic Party-aligned “center” are far too eager for any excuse to bust Trump and far too trusting of the same mass media outlets which lied us into the Iraq war. This leaves only the true left (EDIT: and a few principled libertarians and nonpartisans) to see things with lucidity, and only the most lucid among them saw it. For a clear-eyed leftist, it’s been an exhausting couple of years. The effort to hold on to facts and evidence while being buffeted by relentless waves of gaslighting propaganda has been tough and many have lost friends and allies on the way. These lies have created a highly toxic environment by leeching poison into the natural discourse and halting the progression of our species. Most people who got swept up in the Russiagate fervor were manipulated by their disgust for Trump and their desire to get him out, no matter if it was true or not. I think the great lesson here is that you can’t out-manipulate the grand manipulators. You have to stick to the truth even when it appears to go against your own self interests because your ego has levers and it can be used to puppet you. If you always value the highest interest over your self interest then you can’t be played. Demand evidence and keep demanding it until you get it. If you do, change your mind, if you don’t, stick to your guns. That’s the only way we’ll get out of here alive.

So, a question for us DataLoungers: Do most, or any of us here actually understand the gravity of what it would mean to our national security, if we were to reveal to the world at large, that the POTUS is a traitor, who engaged in treason?

Please, stop & consider the ramifications and consequences of this.

What could be worse than a traitor in the WH? The entire world learning that a traitor is in the WH.

We are being told very little, so there is no victory or loss, in any of it. That’s not what this is about.

What it IS about, is sending a message to others who would consider conspiring with a foreign government, hostile or otherwise.

Barr says that Mueller uncovered 2 ways #Russia🇷🇺influenced the election

: ☝🏼IRA’s disinformation/social media op

✌🏼GRU’s hacking/dissemination of Democratic emails

Do you see any trolls on this thread (whom you have not yet blocked) commenting on any of those two operations?

R307, Ronald Reagan, Nixon, and both Bushes were traitors who colluded with foreign enemies. McCain is a traitor too for wanting to find ISIS.

If Trump is a traitor for colliding with Putin which has been debunked, then he is simply following Republican tradition.

Stop being manipulated into thinking Trump is an anomaly in our government.

Bush was friends with Bin Laden family. Reagan wanted the hostages to remain detained until Carter was out of office.

Trump's purported crimes are nothing compared to his dead predecessors (McCain, Poppy Bush, Reagan) that are now seen as great men.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, Jerry Nadler, said on Sunday his panel would call Attorney General William Barr to testify shortly, citing concerns over Barr’s conclusions from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe report.

“In light of the very concerning discrepancies and final decision making at the Justice Department following the Special Counsel report, where Mueller did not exonerate the President, we will be calling Attorney General Barr in to testify before @HouseJudiciary in the near future,” Nadler said on Twitter.

r307. Sorry, but the rest of the world is not buying this saving face bullshit. They have their own intel and they know Trump is an asset of Putin. Today the US lost its very final shred of credibility that Mueller provided.

Our Congress needs to get the full report and do their jobs. Get to the truth. Facts are our friends.

I'm fully prepared for Barr to responses to be peppered with, "That is classified," and "I do not recalls."

R312 Exactly, Barr is a Trump stooge. Everyone knows it. He's nothing more than a less insane Giuliani.

[quote]The turd just won his second term today. Only a global recession can help us now.

You rang?

Trump's written answers to Mueller were written by his attorneys in non-committal legalize. Nothing will be gained from reading them.

R308 I'll comment on it, then you can duly block me. Russia has ALWAYS had online disruption.propaganda campaigns, since there's been an internet. Before that they had press shills like Walter Duranty, and academics and entertainers to spread their line. So does China. So does Saudi Arabia. So do we I'm sure. None of them need Donald Trump to help them, they're very good at it already.

R308, true. And I have more to add based on what you wrote, however, I need to get off this thread & attend to stuff I need to complete before tomorrow.

R311, of course they know, but that was not my point.

Thanks to you both for responding & reminding me of valid points of which I may not have thought of when writing.

R306: VERY well written.

If the fat turd was exonerated, he would be crowing from the rooftops.

So why no tweeting?

He crowed on camera as he was leaving Fla.

True R317, but that doesn't mean they didn't help Trump get elected or demand a quid pro quo from him reg lifting sanctions or helping them gain territory in the Middle East, that he isn't dirty. Putin probably thinks Trump is an idiot, but a USEFUL idiot.

I agree that Buttigieg would be the best choice but the DNC wants Slow Joe + Kammy, and they always get what they want.

Jill WB feels sure an obstruction case is in order.

Wait a minute, guys, Barr and Rosenstein also said this report doesn’t exonerate Trump either.

Did we really expect any other outcome? Did we really think that Mueller would be willing to not only deliver us Trump but also the Republican party on a silver platter? It's clear from day one that Trump AND the GOP worked together with Russia. The entire US political system would come crashing down like a house of cards if we'd face the actual truth.

Wolf Blitzer is an idiot. I really hate to say that. He needs to pass the torch to someone who can ask some serious, hard-hitting questions.

Nadler looks like death.

[quote] Nadler looks like death.

Seeing two years of propaganda and spin go down the drain will drain a man.

The real news is the DOJ has been compromised by AG Barr.

Sad day for America. Barr and Rosenstein decide case closed before anyone reads the report or other investigations are concluded. And who decided collusion only encompassed two kinds of activity? That seems counterintuitive to a real investigation and ignores all the other public Trump fawning over Putin. What if Trump is being blackmailed. Is that in the report?

According to some legal experts, Barr and Rosenstein shouldn't be deciding if Trump is guilty of obstruction and that it's up to Congress. While they are overseeing the Special Counsel, there's a reason why they aren't conducting it themselves.

That was the point of getting him in there in the first place, R329. If I recall, there was something sketchy in the manner in which Rosenstein ended up in his position.

[quote] Trump has been advancing insanely aggressive escalations against Russia and its allies

I'm sorry R306, in what reality did this occur in?

Remember, Rod Rosenstein helped Trump and Sessions as they tried to write up a letter explaining why Comey should be fired. What was Trump’s first suggested reason? The Russia investigation.

OBSTRUCTION.

does the report mention the pee pee tapes? or file?

Chris Cuomo fucking knew in advance...who told him?

Even if we the public can see the whole report, what will that change?

Republicans Morghulis

Are there any legal eagles out there who can help me to understand why Mueller didn't draw any conclusions as to the obstruction of justice matter?

Oh God. The Democrats are going to piss this away.

[QUOTE]Hayes is the only one worth watching on MSNBC.

😂 He’s the absolutely worst of them. Only one competing might be Ari Melber with his “dope rhymes.”

This is what I don't understand, r339. A question this important, and they just fold their tents up and shrug, "Damned if I know?" The question of whether the elected leader of a nation might be an asset of a hostile foreign power should not be left up in the air, right?

Barr is the fox guarding the hen house. The report needs to be released stat.

You can feel the incredible relief in trump’s tweets. Why would he be so incredibly relieved???

This isn't over. It will NEVER be over!

[quote]Are there any legal eagles out there who can help me to understand why Mueller didn't draw any conclusions as to the obstruction of justice matter?

How could he? What kind of paper trail is there? He didn’t pay anyone off or say anything so transparently obstructive that it’s been essentially proven. He just did a lot of highly suspicious shit.

Look at the people who have been charged and pled or been convicted. Then ask yourself WHY. What is there in those cases that’s missing? A paper trail. Bank accounts. Disclosure statements falsified. The sort of thing that can be PROVEN.

And by the way that’s the sort of thing that will bring the Trump family down. It’s going to happen. Count on it. Collusion? Yeah right. Crimes that can be verified. Yep. Lots of them.

Also what's going on with that German Bank?

Apparently Mueller's focus was EXTREMELY narrow, and he couldn't prove collusion, even though we watched Trump do it multiple times, without a paper trail, but this isn't over.

Is this the reason Sessons was replaced by Barr ?He was a big joke but he would have never gone along with this.

End of the beginning, not beginning of the end. Money will be Trump's downfall, and that has lots of do with Russia and Russian oligarchs and SDNY will show us how.

Remember, Trump was never in danger of being impeached. Never going to happen. Take the lumps from gloating idiots, then get to work on 2020.

But R346, why didn't Mueller just say "we don't have enough to go on" with the obstruction charges, just as he did with collusion? He said they had collected evidence on obstruction but weren't making a judgment either way. That just leaves it up in the air. That's very curious to me.

Now we know why Ivanka and company were so unbothered whenever asked.p about Mueller. They all knew they were going to get away with everything.

Kelly Conway tweets

[quote]They all knew they were going to get away with everything.

They also already knew what they did or didn’t do.

Most Americans do not care that Trump is a narcissist, bigot, dumb, corrupt, and treacherous. Democrats are the Coyote; Trump is the Road Runner.

r356 No, his supporters are the Coyote being played by the Road Runner. Fucking idiots! Sociopaths who follow a fellow sociopath.

I think we've been played. I agree the House needs to bring all these folks in by subpoena. Mueller, Barr, etc. All of them.

Barr better hope that his "report" totally matches Mueller's investigation. Because if you were on Mueller's team and work hard for 2 years and then saw that Barr whitewashed everything in his "summary", it's unlikely you'd keep silent about it.

The Mercers, Kochs and fellow oligarchs are not going to go down this easy. Come on!

We've got a conservative oligarch problem and it will kill our country and freedoms.

Remember how the right completely accepted the findings of the FBI and Justice Department in to the investigation of Hillary? Hell they still don't accept it today and are still calling on Hillary to be locked up.

Trump didn't even accept the findings and lead people in "Lock Her UP" chants, so tell me again why I should accept these findings?

He himself called Mueller a crook, a con artist and all kinds of names so we should just say why should we believe Mueller when he doesn't even trust him?

Throw it back in their faces. Just do a KAC and rapid fire repeat that over and over and over. He said Mueller was a crook. He said it. Well, he said it. He said he was not to be believed. He said it. Do you deny he said it? Then ok, how are we to believe any of this?

hes not exonerated.

clinton was impeached for having a fling against the will of the people.

treason gets a pass?

What r143 said.

I told you guys that I didn't expect much from the report with regard to Russia, BUT, I maintain that the entire report will be delicious reading because Mueller will say between words set forth in dry legalese ( and ever more devastating because of that) what an ignorant, incompetent moronic, stupid asshole Trump is.

That's why I support the Dem leadership asking for the entire report with all the supporting evidence, but still, we've gotta move on from this.

Which is why, as I also posted earlier, I'm keeping an eagle-eye on shrewd, skilled, tougher-than-a-boiled- owl Speaker Pelosi. I fucking adore the The Speaker of the United States House of Representatives.

Speaker Pelosi will make retreating as great a feat as advancing.

And don't think for one moment Trump doesn't fear her too. After all, now he can't hide behind his favorite shiny object, the Mueller Investigation.

Trump, right now is: shit, meet toilet water.

Now, buck-up Dems.

[QUOTE]Is this the reason Sessons was replaced by Barr ?He was a big joke but he would have never gone along with this.

😂 Omg. Now we’re about to turn Jefferson Beauregard Sessions into a marty? Oh yeah, things would’ve been totally different if Sessions was still the AG.

R363 Clinton was impeached for lying about a fling, not the fling

Mueller was NOT consulted on today’s Barr letter. This is Barr’s spin on Mueller’s report.

Mueller’s full report must be released.

Ooops at r364 and lol: Brick meet toilet water

“I feel like crying.”

“This is like Election Night all over again.”

Coping mechanisms are in sore need for children.

I think the key here is how narrowly Mueller defined Russian "Government." To almost all of us paying close attention to this, Russian oligarchs is synonymous with Russian Government but if Mueller takes a very narrowly defined approach, then it is not.

One of the impeachment charges against Pres Clinton was obstruction of justice for lying to Kenneth Starr.

But Trump firing Comey to make the investigation go away, trying to get Mueller fired, trying to get Sessions to un-recuse, trying to get SDNY head Berman to un-recuse those are all just hunky dory with Mueller and Barr, no obstruction there.

[quote]Mueller was NOT consulted on today’s Barr letter.

Do you have any source for that?

We'll wait to see how The View panel feels about this and then make up our mind.

Sure, R372. Miss Andrea Mitchell...

Della rides the short bus.

I was going to watch Tricky Dick on CNN about Nixon, but I just can't handle watching something about another crooked Republican getting away scott free after all this.

[quote]“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

What we need to see are the sentences before and after this. And, the paragraphs. And, the pages.

The Barr's Notes version is bullshit without the context.

I think now we can say AG Barr is the one who's obstructing justice. Not hard to imagine given he's a GOP toady and a Trump enabler.

We need to push for the release of the whole report.

We need to work toward electing a democrat president in 2020. Fuck anyone who tries to pit centrists against progressives. It doesn’t fucking matter in this moment in history.

The SDNY and all the other investigations need to go forward.

From the linked NYT opinion article below.

This raises the serious question of whether Mr. Barr’s decision on Sunday was based on the bizarre legal views that he set out in an unsolicited 19-page memo last year.

That memo made the argument that the obstruction of justice statute does not apply to the president because the text of the statute doesn’t specifically mention the president. Of course, the murder statute doesn’t mention the president either, but no one thinks the president can’t commit murder. Indeed, the Office of Legal Counsel had previously concluded that such an argument to interpret another criminal statute, the bribery law, was wrong.

I have this recurring dream that Trump sits down to an interview on TV with a black man and admits that he fired Comey to make "the Rusher thing go away." I wonder if I'll stop having that dream now. My subconscious has really gotten away with some very peculiar stuff.

Dem House needs to investigate the DOJ now.

[QUOTE]I was going to watch Tricky Dick on CNN about Nixon, but I just can't handle watching something about another crooked Republican getting away scott free after all this.

Nixon did not get away with anything. He resigned in disgrace. We could only be so lucky if the result was the same here.

And, one more thing...

The Democrats need to stop with the friendly request for information and documents. Subpoenas first and fast.

ITA R84.

Why do people refuse to see the truth. Mueller let us down. Period. Barr was always a plant, but Mueller is the real disappoinment with the gaslighting.

Also, after Mueller, I don't have faith in SDNY etc. either.

I will vote in 2020 for the Democrat like I always do. However, I don't have faith in Trump losing then either (either enough stupid people believe the lies and/or Putin steals the election again -since nothing has been done to stop it since 2016).

I have passports for me and mine. Doing paperwork work now. Advanced degree and IT professional makes a good residency candidate. If Trump wins next year, we are moving to Canada because at that point, the United States of America is over.

And Nixon's AG went to prison.

[quote] Nixon did not get away with anything. He resigned in disgrace. We could only be so lucky if the result was the same here.

Nixon committed crimes that any other person would have went to jail for doing, resigning from a job you were going to get kicked out of anyway is no punishment.

r265, the way your side united behind Obama for 8 years? LMAO Fuck no!!!

I hate Trump even more than ever now.

Thanks R374!

I gave Barr the benefit of the doubt but he is a crook and a vile scumbag. Saving the repugs just like he did before.

Dem House, the ball is in your court, now. Gotta slam this ball back into AG Barr's and Trump's face. No time to be polite!

Bwa ha R239! So true.

The Nixon - Mitchell comparison is quite apt. Mitchell was the one who OKed Gordon Liddy's plans to break into the Watergate building. Mitchell was Nixon's AG and then chairman for the Nixon reelection committee. He went to prison for 4 years.

I am hoping this unites the people against Trump more than ever and drives him from office in 2020, as much as I would love to see Trump disgraced and removed from office, about 40% of this country would never accept it and view it as a coup.

R381: I had that dream too. Also, dreams about a Trump Tower meeting, Kushner back channel meeting, secret Trump/Putin meetings, a Russia get Hillary's emails announcement. Whew, glad I woke up since those were just dreams according to Mueller!

I had a dream Trump kept saying the Russians did not interfere in the 2016 elections despite the Mueller report saying they def did

Anyone catch 60 Minutes? Scott Pelley opened the show by saying Trump was exonerated!! He then read all of the Mueller quotes from Barr's memo EXCEPT the one about Trump not being exonerated!

Of course, the President of CBS News is a former Fox News VP, so...

WTF - Stop defending Mueller. He AND Barr let Trump off!

r397 Oh you mean the "liberal" media?

Yeah, we all know the media wants him reelected. He is cash money to them all!

Maybe we could sell them on a trial like OJ?

I haven’t read this whole thread. Is it just a bunch of people saying Mueller exonerated Trump?

We haven’t seen the Mueller report. We have seen the Barr attempt at a coverup. The Mueller report is supposedly much worse.

Barr was selected because he said he didn’t think a president could possibly obstruct justice even if he commits obstruction of justice. He also recommended the Iran contra pardons.

Stop yelling about being let down by Mueller. Wait until the full report is leaked or released.

Mueller and Barr will both have to appear before Congress.

I recommend everyone watch MSNBC right now and calm down. Ari and Maya Wiley have got this covered.

Call me cynical but I'm beginning to think that the fix was in with Mueller from the start.

Never trust a Republican.

The media can make and break him R399. People were glued to the TV during the Watergate hearings.

R398 We need the report or at least, Mueller's testimony to the House committee to judge the degree of Mueller's complicity. But he did fall down on his duty to the country by being soft on Trump.

R402, I disagree with that.

Everything Trump Touches Dies. Including Robert Mueller's once impeccable reputation.

I can’t wait until the leaks start coming. From Justice, from our international allies, from other prosecutors.

And the indictments from SDNY.

Jared’s time in the barrel is coming.

I was in the golf club bar when this was released. All sports TVs were tuned to the cable networks. The hi fives were disgusting. Cheers of totally vindicated. How can people be so stupid.

By the book people like Mueller ultimately falls in line with the chain of command (even if corrupt), unfortunately. History will not look kindly on him and this DoJ. Too bad Avennati was such a bust. We knew a hound dog like him on Trump's ass.

R408, the reality is Trump represents the views of a huge number of Americans who vote

that's what a lot of posters here don't understand. The narrative is very important. Right now the narrative is Trump and his family were not charged with conspiracy or obstruction.

Until we get the report and further House investigations, we're fucked. Trump's approval number will soar right now

People need to call or take to the streets to make sure the entire word for word report is released

R410, huge as in 35%-40%.

Can the people demand it be released since the taxpayers paid for the investigation?

I also had this weird dream where Cohen testified that he watched Diaper Junior go to his father and tell him that "the meeting" had been set.

R410 Not as huge a number as those against him. He lost the popular votes by millions.

If only Comey had played exactly by the book with the Hillary email investigation...

Did anyone share this Tweet earlier today, posted just before Barr released his cover up?

Followed by this Tweet:

Followed by this, post-Barr coverup letter

Barr has done the job Trump hired him to do. Barr is doing what Sessions wouldn’t.

This is a COVER UP. Stop criticizing Mueller. Wait until you see his full report presented to Congress. Barr’s coverup is just political messaging.

Imagine Mueller had been silent for two years with no prosecutions. Imagine we hadn't gotten info from any other sources, and today a report drops in which Mueller announces he's indicting 34 persons and three foreign entities. Some of those being indicted are Trump's former campaign manager, former NSA head and various other campaign quislings. Charges range from fraud to lying to working for foreign governments.

It's also announced that Don Jr and Kushner secretly met with Russians, in Trump Tower, after being offered dirt on Hillary Clinton. It's announced that Roger Stone is being prosecuted and was instructed by someone in the campaign to contact Wikileaks.

It's announced that Erik Prince secretly met with various foreign factions to set up a back channel to the Kremlin on behalf of Kushner.

It's announced Trump is essentially an unindicted co-conspirator in a case involving hush payments to a porn star.

We also find out that everyone in that fucking White House is basically using Yahoo Messenger to conduct affairs of state while the toad in chief uses an unsecured cell phone.

Oh- and the POTUS committed obstruction of justice. And gave our most highly classified top-secret info to Russian officials while they stood in the Oval Office.

If it had all come out at once, we might be talking about impeachment tonight.

Exactly, R422.

R422, but her emails.

No matter what is in the report, this is all to condition people to go along with 'it's a witch hunt'. Especially if he gets through this then people will be so over the SDNY stuff before it starts. More and more idiots will be saying to let it go, it's over, they're obsessed, etc. It's one big mind game for the trash in this administration...and the dumber than dirt followers just go right along with the script.

R421 How stupid is Barr? So much damning evidence has already become PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, so for him to try to "retcon" this into a "exoneration" is so ridiculous even by GOP gas-lighting standard. Other than Trump's stupid base, who's gonna give an ounce of credence to Barr's summary?

I think there are more than a handful of people who know the actual truth. Many of these people have been hinting at the facts for a long time but seemed to be waiting for Mueller. What we need now is for some of them to come forward and say: I saw evidence that is not consistent with this report. Obama, Brennen, Yates, Comey, McCabe, Members of the gang of 8 (4 dems). The time for speaking in code and worrying about process and our democratic foundations is gone. Speak up, now.

Blumenthal now on MSNBC. Listen in.

well the idea is they stonewall releasing the full report to Congress long enough so Trump can get reelected in 2020

[QUOTE]Blumenthal now on MSNBC.

Is Brian Williams interviewing him?

B Williams hasn’t been on at all this weekend. Ari is hosting a special live show.

La Senatrice is feeling herselfses.

You guys have a rough road trying to, after all the national security concerns, and seeing Dotard pwned by Saudi Arabia and Russia, get the 102 million people who didn't vote to save their country. They're probably sewn into their Barcaloungers or glued to their phones or they're fapping to farms going under from tariffs or reading reports of children separated from their parents at the border and dying from insufficient medical attention.

Most of those 100 million "real good liberty lovin'" Americans will be "yeah I guess I could help save the country by exercising my constitutional right, but I just got four notifications on instant messaging and it might rain" or "Bernie's not on the ballot..."

Good point, R433.

We get our hopes up about the conclusion of the Mueller probe, sure that it will find there was collusion. Now that we know it didn't, we're told to wait for the full report, which will certainly be full of damaging information about Trump. But what if it isn't? What if our hopes are dashed again? At what point do we stop pinning all of our hopes on these investigations and focus our attention on getting rid of Trump through the ballot box? So much time and effort (especially on the cable news shows) was wasted on endlessly speculating, pontificating, anticipating and predicting what the Mueller probe would find -- time and effort that, in retrospect, would have been far better spent going after Trump and the GOP for their POLICIES that have fucked us over and crafting our message and strategy for 2020.

Anyone who expected subtlety from cable news coverage was kidding themselves.

Why would they?

All I know is that my house hasn't been this clean since 2016.

We won the 2018 elections, r435. We would have won even bigger if there hadn’t been gerrymandering and voter suppression.

We can focus on winning 2020 and still keep holding the Trump Cabal accountable for their blatantly criminal activity.

Never forget. There are multiple convictions and open investigations for those closest to Trump. We have proof. They are criminals.

I sincerely hope everyone is watching Ari’s special on MSNBC right now. John Flannery, the Redford lookalike with the bow tie, is going through the Barr coverup letter and explaining how it’s a Republican coverup. He’s not alleging Mueller did anything wrong.

If you’re not watching MSNBC right now, well... I can’t imagine what else you’re doing that’s more important...

Enough, R435. You’re surprised that Barr did exactly what Trump hired him to do? We haven’t seen an inch of the actual Mueller report.

The report must be damaging to Trump otherwise Barr would have released it. Congress isn't going to let him get away with that.

The tide is already turning on this.

As others have noted, MSNBC's very smart legal analysts, one after another, are tearing Barr a new asshole.

Calling his letter a press release for Trump, a suspicious document, a cover-up, pointing out that there is not one complete sentence quoted from Mueller's report, there's no mention of how long the report is, etc. The AG is required to explain why no charges were pursued, and there's no explanation whatsoever.

They're not going to get away with this. The full report must be released.

Exactly R442. The only people gullible enough not to realize that should be republicans. But I see a lot of non Republicans here are preferring to wallow in despair and resentment at Mueller.

I totally believe Flannery. Barr got the job by submitting a written outline on how he would protect the President from Obstruction of Jusice charge. This week congress needs to subpoena Barr's ass before he can start making evidence disappear

I'm watching, R440. I've always liked Flannery and he is raising some really good lawyerly (is that a word?) insights. Mueller's report has to be released. Period.

[quote]We get our hopes up about the conclusion of the Mueller probe, sure that it will find there was collusion. Now that we know it didn't, we're told to wait for the full report, which will certainly be full of damaging information about Trump. But what if it isn't? What if our hopes are dashed again?

It was clear when people donated millions of dollars to Jill Stein's crazy recount fund that people will go on believing literally anything, so this will be just a slight bump in the road.

I agree that this high school book report is not going to cut it.

Release the full report. This is not some third world despot.

SOMEBODY on Mueller's Team has a hermetically sealed jump-drive which contains the entire report, evidence and all, in their rectum.

Mueller did what he was supposed to do but he doesn't have control of the report after he hands it over.

Barr could have stood up there and said he wrote the lyrics to "Yankee Doodle Dandy" over and over again and Mueller couldn't say anything otherwise.

If everything in that report supported Trump then it would have been released full.

I just don't understand why so many posters here bitched and moaned how corrupt this administration was for years and now that you got a "summary" of the report they're satisfied and posting, "Time to focus on other things! The democrats were wrong!"

Why shouldn't they try and spin/hide/lie about this like they have everything else?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Sorry toots, not falling for it. Your husband will agree with us in a day or so.

RELEASE THE REPORT!!

How long is Congress going to take to get the report? Its a damn shame that after two years we still have to wait for all the song and dance of Congress to get the real fucking report.

I am too old to go through this shit again. I was a teenager when Nixon walked, thanks to Doofus Jerry Ford’s pardon, and THEN to add insult to injury he makes a come back as a “respected elder statesman” while all his flunkies - and truthteller John Dean - went to prison in his place. I can’t take this a second time.

Like the poster upthread who talked about moving to Canada, I’ve been working for several months on getting my dual citizenship. I meet the criteria through my Italian grandfather who was not a US citizen when my mother was born in the US (he never became a citizen in fact). It’s a long slow process and months (so far) spent getting the proper documentation. So may people are doing this that in fact I can’t get the required personal interview with the consulate until July of 2020! Since Italy is part of the EU once I get that dual status conferred I can get my EU passport. If things are no better by then, it will be time to take my retirement and find somewhere to live in the EU.

I hate to think of it as bailing out but really, I’m just exhausted fighting this fight over and over without ever “winning”. I marched against Vietnam as a high schooler, protested Nixon, voted for Dems all my life, railed against Reagan, and mourned for how terrible this country treated a good man like Jimmy Carter. I don’t have the energy anymore. I hope the young progressives can succeed where I and my ilk failed.

R454 you're forgetting George HW Bush and McCain who were both lionized as "anti-Trumps" not too long ago. Hypocrisy and corruption is the norm, not the exception.

[quote]Life long Democrat here. I am glad the President has been cleared of being a Russian asset. That's the part that always bothered me the most and I'm glad it seems he's not compromised.

He has been cleared of being a Russian AGENT. That's what conspiracy with a foreign government to defraud the US would make him.

Anyone can see he's a Russian, Israeli, Saudi etc. asset. I don't need a Mueller probe for that - even though indirectly Mueller helped establish that by Michael Cohen's second testimony to Congress about the Trump Moscow project and the quid pro quo.

R453, this is not Congress's fault. This is entirely Barr's fault.

We definitely need to see the full report, and let's hope it has some damaging information about Trump. But honestly, some of you sound like the DataLoungers in denial on Election night 2016 who were saying, "It's not over! Hillary could still win Idaho and Alaska!"

" I hope the young progressives can succeed where I and my ilk failed"

Unfortunately, the young progressives are too busy eating theie own over fights over using the correct pronouns and other thought crimes.

R450, if you didn't believe there were trolls here before, it's quite obvious today.

[quote] Life long Democrat here. I am glad the President has been cleared of being a Russian asset. That's the part that always bothered me the most and I'm glad it seems he's not compromised.

Lets be clear here, it is impossible to prove a negative, so it isn't possible to prove that Trump is not a Russian agent. What was discovered was they found no evidence that he was, he might not be a Russian agent and he might, it just wasn't possible to prove anything.

R461, as has been pointed out, we do not know what standard of proof Mueller (or Barr) was applying.

So, Trump fucking-up everything - foreign policy, alliances, sanctions and secret meetings - in Putin/Russia's favor is just a coincidence. Sure.

Mueller got Barr'ed! There's your headline.

Dem's gotta do it by themselves. Can't trust anyone who's a Republican.

We needed more focus on Trumps malignant policies, instead many doubled down on this report. While the world burned all I could hear was RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA, for a long while Rachel couldn't do a show without it, even Bill Maher became obsessed with it. When two brilliant Liberals like Rachel and Bill fall for it, then it's hopeless. I know MANY on the left did focus on his policies, but too much of that got washed away in the Russia minutia. I don't know what Democrats have to do, because on the issues the people side with us far more than the right, issues after issue after issue, yet they have the White House, Senate and the judiciary and Dolt 45 just got a real bee to put in his bonnet.

Everyone assumes that Mueller not coming through is all for the benefit of Trump, bu people forget that there was a huge piece of international money-laundering going on too. I want to see the evidence Mueller subpoenaed from Deutch Bank where Trump supposedly got all his loans and through which Russian Oligarcha were laundering money. Let's not forget- we had the SON OF A F*CKING SUPREME COURT JUSTICE (Kennedy) approving some of those loans to Trump- and supposedly the reason Justice Kennedy stepped down! The whole Scenario is absolutely mind-boggling in the History of American Democracy. What if Trump isn't the only "Financier" who took advantage of D.B.'s services? Perhaps there were/are other Billionaires out there to protect and we mortal peons just don't matter- and neither does justice anymore.

Report, shemeport. I saw and heard the obstruction with my own eyes and ears, on NBC with Lester Holt.

I'm sure there's enough daily corruption in this administration to fill every newsday till the elections. Especially how the corruption and serving the special interests hurts the average American.

R466, are you a troll or just stupid?

You’re willing to ignore and wave away everything we know about Trump & Russia just because a Trump appointee —who auditioned by telling Trump he would protect him—wrote a dishonest, cherry picked, bullshit 4-page short essay partially exonerating him?

Seriously?

This isn’t over. Democrats in Congress are going to go over it with a fine tooth comb, and then SDNY and other offices are going to buttfuck Trump and his co-conspirators like they’ve never been fucked before.

Barr's plan was to get his summary out early, lay down the narrative. This, from the supposed top cop? What a fucking JOKE.

Neal Katyal (who wrote the regulations governing special counsel proceedings) has an opinion tonight in the NYT. Not sure if it’s been shared upthread already but for anyone hasn’t read it and is stuck behind a paywall:

On Sunday afternoon, soon after Attorney General Bill Barr released a letter outlining the Mueller investigation report, President Trump tweeted “Total EXONERATION!” But there are any number of reasons the president should not be taking a victory lap.

First, obviously, he still faces the New York investigations into campaign finance violations by the Trump team and the various investigations into the Trump organization. And Mr. Barr, in his letter, acknowledges that the Mueller report “does not exonerate” Mr. Trump on the issue of obstruction, even if it does not recommend an indictment.

But the critical part of the letter is that it now creates a whole new mess. After laying out the scope of the investigation and noting that Mr. Mueller’s report does not offer any legal recommendations, Mr. Barr declares that it therefore “leaves it to the attorney general to decide whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime.” He then concludes the president did not obstruct justice when he fired the F.B.I. director, James Comey.

Such a conclusion would be momentous in any event. But to do so within 48 hours of receiving the report (which pointedly did not reach that conclusion) should be deeply concerning to every American.

The special counsel regulations were written to provide the public with confidence that justice was done. It is impossible for the public to reach that determination without knowing two things. First, what did the Mueller report conclude, and what was the evidence on obstruction of justice? And second, how could Mr. Barr have reached his conclusion so quickly?

Mr. Barr’s letter raises far more questions than it answers, both on the facts and the law.

His letter says Mr. Mueller set “out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the special counsel views as ‘difficult issues’ of law and fact concerning whether the president’s actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction.” Yet we don’t know what those “difficult issues” were, because Mr. Barr doesn’t say, or why Mr. Mueller, after deciding not to charge on conspiracy, let Mr. Barr make the decision on obstruction.

On the facts, Mr. Barr says that the government would need to prove that Mr. Trump acted with “corrupt intent” and there were no such actions. But how would Mr. Barr know? Did he even attempt to interview Mr. Trump about his intentions?

What kind of prosecutor would make a decision about someone’s intent without even trying to talk to him? Particularly in light of Mr. Mueller’s pointed statement that his report does not “exonerate” Mr. Trump. Mr. Mueller didn’t have to say anything like that. He did so for a reason. And that reason may well be that there is troubling evidence in the substantial record that he compiled.

(Cont. Below)

Mueller focused on the Hacking - which had all the parts just not (snark I doubt it) direct link to Donald himself. Despite that we ALL HEARD IT.

Mueller should have been focused on Donalds Real Estate deal with Putin. POS sold out an American election for his Trump Moscow.

Actually we don't know if Mueller discovered whether or not Trump is beholden to Putin in some way. All Barr has said is that Mueller didn't find evidence the campaign knowingly colluded with Russia while Russia was attacking our election. And that's according to half a sentence Barr quoted from Mueller's report. We don't know if Mueller looked into Trump's financial dealings with Russia. We don't know what in the hell that dossier was really all about. We don't know if Russians laudered money through Trump's businesses. We don't know if Mueller asked someone in the CIA if they knew what in the fuck was going on in Helsinki. We don't know.

We do know former intelligence officers have been sounding alarms from the beginning, and they aren't generally men who go around doing shit like that for no reason.

Trumps approval ratings will be a record high this week.

What Barr said was that there was no collusion with the Russian GOVERNMENT very specifically IRA and Russian Hackers. No one ever thought there was a written contract with IRA which is what Barr's summary seems to clear Trump. The wording is very specific. There were "leaks" earlier in the week that the report was "damning." We haven't seen the report. Only a summary by a Trump hack. As to Obstruction, Mueller didn't find one way or another so Barr and Rosenstein took it upon themselves to clear Trump. That's not how this was supposed to work. Mueller was supposed to determine this. It's one of the main reasons that an INDEPENENT COUNSEL was appointed. So we have two things 1) There isn't enough evidence that Trump colluded with IRA or hackers (again very narrow definition of Russian Government and 2) Barr has cleared him of obstruction (much like he said he would do in his letter to Trump before being hired). There are many questions left unanswered. This story isn't over yet by a long shot.

Katyal continued:

Furthermore, we do not know why Mr. Mueller did not try to force an interview with the president. The reason matters greatly. Mr. Mueller could have concluded that interviews of sitting presidents for obstruction matters are better done within the context of a congressional impeachment investigation (perhaps because a sitting president cannot be indicted, the Barr letter says this legal argument didn’t influence Mr. Barr’s conclusion but again is pointedly silent as to Mr. Mueller). Or Mr. Barr could have concluded that the attorney general, not a special counsel, should carry out such an interview. The fact that Mr. Barr rushed to judgment, within 48 hours, after a 22-month investigation, is deeply worrisome.

The opening lines of the obstruction section of Mr. Barr’s letter are even more concerning. It says that the special counsel investigated “a number of actions by the president — most of which have been the subject of public reporting.” That suggests that at least some of the foundation for an obstruction of justice charge has not yet been made public. There will be no way to have confidence in such a quick judgment about previously unreported actions without knowing what those actions were.

On the law, Mr. Barr’s letter also obliquely suggests that he consulted with the Office of Legal Counsel, the elite Justice Department office that interprets federal statutes. This raises the serious question of whether Mr. Barr’s decision on Sunday was based on the bizarre legal views that he set out in an unsolicited 19-page memo last year.

That memo made the argument that the obstruction of justice statute does not apply to the president because the text of the statute doesn’t specifically mention the president. Of course, the murder statute doesn’t mention the president either, but no one thinks the president can’t commit murder. Indeed, the Office of Legal Counsel had previously concluded that such an argument to interpret another criminal statute, the bribery law, was wrong.

As such, Mr. Barr’s reference to the office raises the question of whether he tried to enshrine his idiosyncratic view into the law and bar Mr. Trump’s prosecution. His unsolicited memo should be understood for what it is, a badly argued attempt to put presidents above the law. If he used that legal fiction to let President Trump off the hook, Congress would have to begin an impeachment investigation to vindicate the rule of law.

Sometimes momentous government action leaves everyone uncertain about the next move. This is not one of those times. Congress now has a clear path of action. It must first demand the release of the Mueller report, so that Americans can see the evidence for themselves. Then, it must call Mr. Barr and Mr. Mueller to testify. Mr. Barr in particular must explain his rationale for reaching the obstruction judgment he made.

No one wants a president to be guilty of obstruction of justice. The only thing worse than that is a guilty president who goes without punishment. The Barr letter raises the specter that we are living in such times.

/END Katyal

r466, Jimmy Dore! What brings you here? Welcome to Datalounge!

Republicans should be wary, this could energize the Dems going into 2020. Barr doesn't pass the smell test, and the report is still not available. The more things remain in the dark, the worse it looks.

Barr is using standard GOP/Trump tactic. Lie first and have the media propagate their lies as "news", and then dare the other side to prove they lied.

Mueller She Wrote podcast is out.

R472, seth Abramson made that same case today. It appears mueller focused ONLY on the hacking and decided Trump didn’t have a direct hand in that. Well, DUH, that’s not a surprise.

What is *suspicious* to say that absolute least is that Trump knew about it after the fact and said nothing and indeed to continued to COVER for Russia. WTF

That is impeachable. This is ALL impeachable.

I'm killing myself laughing at you retards. A month ago you're all preening and salivating at the upcoming report, which HAS to implicate Trump, and when are they all to get perp-walked out of the White House??? When clearly there was nothing for anyone to discover, because it ALL a LIE. Barr does;t matter, he's summarizing Mueller's report. Do you really think Mueller would sit by and let Barr mis-state the report's findings? You're all duped. Follow the trail of this joke investigation, you morons. It's been exposed. Get used to it.

YEP R479.

It seems to me that the Rethugs plan was to falsely create a narrative that there was nothing to see, which morons would believe in, despite all facts leading contrary....

So when that the report is forced out or further investigations continue, Deplorables would just scream, "witch hunt," harder. And therefore any "truth" revealed would be, "fake news."

r481, talk to the hand.

Nancy should be able to take this to court.

Or any citizen could sue to try to get a redacted copy.

Well now, all he’s got to do is declare himself dictator for life and he’ll be set. We’re truly fucked with this asshole.

I stated numerous times on these threads that Mueller’s report wouldn’t lead to anything.

Nadler is the one who’s demanding it and will be getting it, R486.

[quote]Trumps approval ratings will be a record high this week.

Eh, so what. He'll do dozens of messes in the weeks ahead.

And do you think you’ve been proven correct R487?

You’ve seen the Mueller report? Because no one else here has.

Who cares about his approval rating. It won't last because of the 3412837461872364781678146327841 other things he has done that are fucked up as "president".

This sham of an investigation began to explain Hillary Clinton's embarrassing defeat.

We’re not at the point where people take to the streets and the way this country is dying, in slow motion and desensitised, no one will march. This may signify the end of the great experiment.

R473, i read your post as part of Neal Katyal’s opinion piece that I had started pasting above your post, and 2/3 of the way through your post I was shocked —SHOCKED!—to see that the NYT was letting Katyal use such foul language.

I'm so sorry about that! I was typing and hadn't seen you start posting those or I wouldn't have interrupted.

Pee-Pul! Calm needs to prevail here, to a degree. I know many will scoff, but Mercury is still retrograde, until this Thurs morning eastern time. It went retro at a critical degree (29 Pisces), which is the near same degree as the big full moon last week at 0 Aries on the same day as the spring equinox. Mercury rules communications and reports.

I will tell you there will be -no- clarity re this report or anything else until Merc does direct later this week. New clarifying details and news should start to really emerge then, slow at first, then more quickly. There should be some answers then. The 'shadow period' of this event ends April 16th, so expect a lot more to come flowing after that.

You can call it what you want and believe what you want, but trust that until after Thurs there won't be much clarity. Hold onto your pants while the misinformation and spin/lies continue until then - trust NOTHING coming out of the WH, AG office OR the MSM right now.

R491 Yes, he's a total fuck-up, because we've gone to war with both Iran and North Korea, he's invaded numerous countries like Venezuela as we were told he would; the economy is in the shitter; blacks and Latinos are doing worse than ever; he's suspended freedom of the press and defied court rulings that he didn't like. Everything we were worried about has come true!!!

If something big was going to drop it would have been leaked by now, r490.

And you’re basing your timeline on what, exactly R498?

No problem, R495! I chuckled.

I do hope everyone reads Neal’s piece. He’s kind of an expert on how the special counsel proceedings are supposed to go... considering he wrote the regulations.

This IS a cover-up, and the truth will come out despite the best efforts of the GOP and people like R498.

Reality R499. Time to get some.

Mueller planned (past tense?) to make his case before Congress. If that’s the case, he should be ready to appear there ASAP.

Between the Steel Dossier and all the reporting that has been done, the truth is out there. We were hoping the Mueller report would connect the dots and it still may but we also know that it was limited to effects on election which Mueller defined as IRA and hacking in general. If that is the case, there is still a lot of investigation going on at CIA (remember Brennen was former CIA director and he has been harsh Trump critic). He has seen some hard core evidence. Let's see if any of those types back off. Many have based their reputation on this and I don't think it will go away easily.

Who is to say that Mueller's report didn't basically say, "we can't say conspiracy yet.... because you're shutting us down before we've finished?"

R503 I guess you mean the "Steele" Dossier, which has now been cast into oblivion by the media that made it seem like the Pentagon Papers in 2017. They don't want to touch it, because its a pile of crap that a hack cut and pasted from online forums and vague rumors his cronies passed on to him. Nothing of substance ever came from it. And I think you know that. And so does Buzzfeed, Brian Stelter, Anderson Cooper, Jake Tapper, and all the other faux journalists that stirred that shit up.

R504 "Teacher! Teacher! Oh my God, I know I've had 3 fucking years to finish this project, but I'm not done! Don't make me stop now!"

The summary was written by Rudy?

I am not totally surprised by this outcome.

Putin made sure Mueller couldn't find anything reg collusion or at least made sure Trump wasn't personally involved in all this. You don't trust a blabbermouth like Trump with this knowledge anyway. Same reason why Mitchell made sure it looked like Nixon had no knowledge of the Watergate break in, although Nixon was not stupid. (Until they found the tapes of course)

Mueller was never going to indict Trump or any of his spawn because Trump/Pence would immediately pardon. There is no precedent for indicting a sitting president anyway.

That's why he shifted so many cases to the state district courts.

Obstruction of justice - as far as we know Mueller didn't exonerate Trump on that one.

There was soooooo much smoke here. Now the repugs are saying there’s no fire?

Yeah, retard R506, when crimes go that deep... but keep trolling.

Also, Retard at R506, Benghazi.

Keep trying.

Have any of the legal scholars discussing or writing about this answered the question about all the immunity deals and all the lenient sentences handed out to people for all their cooperation if that cooperation seemingly lead nowhere at all?

A judge basically called Flynn a fucking traitor after seeing the evidence we didn't see and told him he better go help some more or he'd kill him on sentencing. I mean, WTF? I guess Flynn really didn't do anything then?

Ari Melber throws in the towel

𝑴𝑺𝑵𝑩𝑪’𝒔 𝑨𝒓𝒊 𝑴𝒆𝒍𝒃𝒆𝒓: 𝑯𝒐𝒖𝒔𝒆 𝑫𝒆𝒎𝒐𝒄𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒔 𝑴𝒖𝒔𝒕 𝑨𝒄𝒄𝒆𝒑𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝑴𝒖𝒆𝒍𝒍𝒆𝒓 𝑫𝒊𝒅 𝑵𝒐𝒕 𝑭𝒊𝒏𝒅 𝒂 𝑪𝒉𝒂𝒓𝒈𝒆𝒂𝒃𝒍𝒆 𝑬𝒍𝒆𝒄𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑪𝒐𝒏𝒔𝒑𝒊𝒓𝒂𝒄𝒚

MSNBC’s Ari Melber said on Sunday night that it is time for House Democrats to stand up and accept that Special Counsel Robert Mueller did not find a chargeable election conspiracy.

The comment came during an in-depth discussion of Attorney General William Barr‘s summary of Robert Mueller report and the issues — and politics — swirling around it.

“Some people want those charges because they just think they are true, they expected that there would be a chargeable conspiracy after hearing so much about Trump publicly asking for Russia’s help and his aides going to meetings,” Melber began. “Other people, let’s be real may just hope for charges that challenge the legitimacy of this very controversial president. Those motivations are not what guides our justice system.”

Yeah actually R511 -- what about Benghazi ? Four guys dead, including a member of our community, a gay ambassador. But nobody's interested in what fucked that situation up, are they? Least of all you. You're VERY upset with the Mueller report, but the Benghazi report was fine right? Not surprised.

How many times has R435 been called a Russian Troll?

The cognitive dissonance between what the media pushed and reality is scary.

Loathe Trump, but this shit has pushed more independent voters towards reelection in 2020.

Again, R515, stop pretending like this 4-page bullshit memo —written by a Trump appointee who was hired specifically to exonerate Trump—is the final chapter. It’s a road bump. A cover up. Anyone with half a brain can see it. Go fuck yourself.

R515 Stip worrying about who's a troll. If the Democrats had better policies and arguments, trolls wouldn't get anywhere. Get better ideas.

The Steele dossier was funded by Hillary Clinton's camp.

Trump is a notorious germaphobe so the claim that he enjoyed hookers pissing on him was always laughably bogus.

Once you realize the Clinton camp has been after Trump with all these smears, it all starts to settle in that what this is all about is revenge politics and an icon who is incensed she got outfoxed by a moron like Trump

Didn’t they try to pull this in watergate?

R514, But her EMAILS!!!!

R516 Perhaps -- and I don't want to be presumptuous or forward --perhaps you should ingest fecal matter and then gently stop breathing?

R513, Ari Melber hasn't got a real basis to make that claim. No one has seen the Mueller Report besides William Barr, and he was handpicked by Trump to stop or otherwise obstruct the investigation, based upon Barr's stated opposition to it. Taking Barr's word for it would be like accepting the word of Manafort's lawyer, Kevin Downing, who emerged from the courtroom to proclaim that Judge Jackson had conceded there was no collusion, when in fact she'd said nothing of the sort.

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There are dozens of recognized irrational numbers, but you just pulled one from your asshole.

Smart!

R519: yes and then the tapes were released.

R520 You mean the 30,000 emails that couldn't be recovered after she wiped her server -- "what, with a cloth??" -- and all her staff bashed their Blackberrys with hammers until the data couldn't be saved? Yeh, you're right, it's so silly and trollish for anyone to bring THAT up, even though the whole Russiagate scandal started because the DNC emails were compromised. Let's ask for Trump's taxes again!

Are you skeptics trying to tell us that democrats should just call off their myriad probes into Trump because of Barr’s cover-up letter?

The fact that Trump has committed literally dozens of impeachable offenses means nothing anymore?

I notice some in the media making this case today. It’s really insulting. Congress has barely begun to perform its oversight duties that the previous Congress refused to do.

Yes, Trump is such a proven germaphobe that he had unprotected sex with a porn star.

PLEASE fuck off with that bullshit.

Exactly, R525! Her EMAILS!!!!

Can we stop fellating the trolls (they like it!), and can someone answer this instead...

Have any of the legal scholars discussing or writing about this answered the question about all the immunity deals and all the lenient sentences handed out to people for all their cooperation if that cooperation seemingly lead nowhere at all?

A judge basically called Flynn a fucking traitor after seeing the evidence we didn't see and told him he better go help some more or he'd kill him on sentencing. I mean, WTF? I guess Flynn really didn't do anything then?

Wow r482 I didn’t think we had any sane posters left here on any DL political threads. Thanks for sticking around.

Hey guys... Trump won over 2 years ago. He’s still the president and this sham investigation funded by Clinton Inc, didn’t get him impeached. 25 million dollars of tax payer money wasted. Think of how many poor people that could have been fed and helped with that kind of money?

Oh well. Why not start working on 2024?...cause 2020 is out of the question for Democrats now. Sad, the party use to be decent, but now it’s full of delusional hysteria.

Someone definitely has a hard on for Clinton.

I see the night shift has begun. Whack-A-Mole Time here with the last few posts.

R525, the DNC emails is a different situation from the Hillary private email server. The latter was a bullshit investigation the Republicans conjured up to discredit her. Colin Powell used a private server as well.

The DNC emails that Assange/Wikileaks got is what ruined her particularly with Bernie Bros after her own collusion with the DNC against Bernie and for Trump was discovererd. It led to the dismissal of two different chairwomen of the DNC in a matter of months and a contentious convention . The party has not healed from this incident. Bernie Bros again will be against the party favorite whether that's Biden, Kamala, or anyone else.

R529, you’re making yet another point why we need to see everything. It’s impossible to believe that after all of the indictments and convictions that there isn’t a lot more we don’t know.

Flynn, Gates and Cohen have been revealing evidence for months and months.

The truth will come out. Too many people know.

[quote]Let's ask for Trump's taxes again!

Yes, let's. Definitely.

The irony must be lost on the deplorables: screaming "Lock her up!" then turning around to scream "Witch hunt!" about their fat white male Dear Leader.

This thread is too infested to continue. Everyone who isn't a troll should leave until tomorrow and let the fucking trolls talk to themselves. Kill it.

And again, if there's nothing to see... then I expect that there's no problem in releasing the full report for everyone to see, right?

Maddow will be a fun watch tomorrow.

Perhaps she can question whether Mueller his perhaps compromised by Russians as well 😂

You can never be too careful.

R537, the fact that they're flooding these threads means they're still concerned. They wouldn't bother otherwise.

R537 It's not that bad. I ignored 10+ trolls and the thread is pretty readable.

And now it’s no longer a witch hunt, and they trust Mueller. Whatever. The less attention paid to them the better.

From Christopher Wylie on Twitter: Whatever this report says, here’s what I know: when I was at Cambridge Analytica, the company hired known Russian agents, had data researchers in St Petersburg, tested US voter opinion on Putin’s leadership, and hired hackers from Russia - all while Bannon was in charge.

Does anyone know what role Bannon had at Cambridge Anal? And the time period he was there?

R543, Bannon was in charge of the Trump campaign, not Cambridge Analytica. Way to misunderstand.

Oh good, now we have all the Trump-o-phobes advising each other to kill this thread because it's INFESTED! - meaning too many posters are disagreeing with them. Which, of course, CANNOT happen.

R542 is exactly why I think the repugs pulled the plug on the investigation.

R542 Actually they trust Trump's #1 Stooge, AG Barr. No one outside of DOJ has actually read or heard anything directly from Mueller.'

r543, this is from Jane Mayer's November 17, 2018 article in [italic]The New Yorker[/italic]

[quote]In the fall of 2015, Bannon was busy setting up a new office for Cambridge Analytica in Alexandria, Virginia, just across the Potomac River from Washington, D.C., and pitching the firm’s services to Republican candidates, including Donald Trump. The firm initially worked for Ted Cruz’s Presidential campaign. But, when Trump won the Republican nomination, the Mercer family, which had financially supported Trump’s Presidential bid, insisted that Trump put Bannon in charge of the campaign and bring in Cambridge Analytica, in which the family was heavily invested, as well.

[quote]Executives at Cambridge Analytica claimed that they had access to unprecedented quantities of advanced “psychographic” data that enabled the Trump campaign to micro-target its pitch to voters. But, this past May, the company filed for bankruptcy in the wake of allegations—denied by Cambridge Analytica executives—that it had improperly obtained millions of people’s personal data from Facebook, without the users’ permission, in violation of the company’s regulations.

I don't need any Mueller Report to tell me what I all already know. Trump is a crook, a liar, a cheat, a conman, and all the other negative adjectives we have used to describe him since his smug, arrogant, smarmy, fat, orange heinous self started spewing about birther-ism. Even before that, if you were paying attention to his bankruptcies and complete lack of integrity in all manners human. He is a gross monster and has no business sullying our White House. His daily lying and ginning up the bigotry, ignorance, and hatred of his followers is reason enough to impeach. The entire Republican party is scum in my book. Their indifference to science, the rule of law, and anything else that stands in the way of their lust for wealth, control, and power has corrupted them beyond redemption. They call themselves Christians yet are doing Satan's work.

So the Mueller Report so far has not been the thing to drive him from office but remove him from office we will. If not through the investigations in various courts, through the ballot box.

The thought of another two years of this crap is deeply discouraging, but we must stand strong or it will be the end of our democracy and our transition to a third world country will be complete.

I want someone to remember this post when Rachel Maddow makes an implication that Barr or Mueller are perhaps compromised by the Kremlin.

I'm giving it a month.

Don't know why Zuckerberg isn't in jail. He turned a shitty little website into a trillion dollar business by conspiring with the Russiapublicans (and I'm sure other entities) to spy, steal and manipulate.

Something will leak this week.

and we have Felix Sater testifying.

maybe the SDNY will indict someone soon

Let’s not forget Maria Butina and all of the Republican Congressmen who travelled to Russia because Russians love the NRA.

Hope springs eternal

I like how R548's post, in two paragraphs, proves collusion with the Trump campaign but according to Barr, nothing to see here. Oh Lester Holt, I think you have to quit now because Trump confessing his obstruction of justice to your shocked face was only imaginary according to Barr.

Yeah. What about the Butina

OK people -- Barr is only summarizing Mueller's report. You're under a delusion if you think Mueler would allow him to misstate the findings.In what alternate universe would that be possible? Case fucking closed.

So again, shouldn't be any problem to release the full report, right?

CASE CLOSED!!!

R557, why wouldn't it be possible? Be succinct.

This only makes me madder. There will be a lot of mad people going to the polls in 2020. Trump and the GOP -- OUT.

Make it a Huge Blue tsunami. This is the only way to get justice.

Sounds one to me -- you'll just embarrassed again, like at gym in high school

R560 OMG Let's DO that. Nobody on the other side will be pissed off at this 3-year circus that wasted the country's time!

Not as embarrassing at that attempt at a sentence at R561.

Flynn - CONVICTED Gates - CONVICTED Manafort - CONVICTED Cohen - CONVICTED

Such a waste of time, prosecuting all of those CRIMINALS and recovering millions of dollars owed to the American people.

Its over. He won. This thread needs to face reality.

Are you R560 "Blue Tsunami"i R563 ? If so, I'm not too worried. If not, you haven't ever dealt with autocorrect. But perhaps you could respond to my obvious point instead of being my high school English teacher.

The NYC courts will eventually get Trump but I'm not attaching myself to that.

The only way to bring down Trump is to vote him and all the Senate GOP out. The youth of this country needs to get off their ass and vote because the future affects them the most. We need a plan that we won't get fucked up again.

Someone's hurt.

R564 While you're high-fiving yourself -- what were they convicted of ? Anything to do with Trump or the campaign? No, they weren't. They were fraud and tax and foreign agent violations that preceded the Trump campaign, had nothing to do with Russia, and were prosecuted expressly to pressure them to divulge criminal information about Trump and his family -- which failed MISERABLY.

Oh you pathetic slug, R569, you haven’t kept up with ALL of the open investigations which are still ongoing. If you think Cohen hasn’t turned over evidence of Trump corruption to prosecutors, you’re dreaming.

They are CRIMINALS who DEFRAUD our government, who STEAL money, who THREATEN people on behalf of Donald Trump.

The undeniable FACT is that Trump surrounds himself with CRIMINALS and there’s a clear reason for it. He likes it that way.

No reason you should give trolls attention if they won't add anything beyond blatant contradiction and insults.

[quote] .The only way to bring down Trump is to vote him and all the Senate GOP out. The youth of this country needs to get off their ass and vote because the future affects them the most. We need a plan that we won't get fucked up again.

The other courts will get him. I'd hope and expectation the midterms would have many more people participating than 2016's election did, but it is too easy to overestimate Americans...

How would conversations go with the slim majority of Americans who didn't vote in the midterms? 48% of the electorate got off their duffs in 2018, a little more 60% voted in 2016.

"Did you know your POTUS is a deluded, narcissistic, illiterate, belligerent, sociopathic, lying glutton of a grifter?" "Yeah." "Did you vote in the midterm?" "No." "Why?" "He wasn't running?"

How do you convince people like that to vote, when they have the mentality: "Oh the fire ate away my bedroom and my kitchen, but until I burn my hand reaching for the Chee-tos while I watch TV it's not that big a deal."

R570 Oh dear ! I must follow more closely ! I had no idea the incontrovertible Michael Cohen had presented such damning evidence! Indeed his word is his bond. I shall have to re-think my whole disbelief about this affair after hearing that Michael Cohen finds Trump offensive.

Trump is the antiChrist.

R571 I'm quite sure your argument is hitting the mark with many on this thread, but you sound like a retard to me.

[quote]25 million dollars of tax payer money wasted.

Let's count the guilty pleas, convictions and forfeitures that the probe got and then crow about money wasting, shall we.

Trump hired the largest number of convicted, guilty-pleaded and investigated crooks maybe in the entire history of the nation,and he's still going at it.

Meanwhile, Manafort is up to his old tricks in trying to get back a $1mm

[quote]Prosecutors suspect Paul Manafort might be trying to secretly claw back about a million dollars he agreed to hand over to the government for his financial crimes — and he could be using the same type of shell company at the core of his legal problems to fake a loan.

Crooked AG Barr: Trump is not a crook! The Dumb Deplorables rejoice!

R576 MY SUMMARY of what happened today! LOL

R573- he is the abomination upon abomination. He's gotten away with everything, almost supernaturally.

R578 haven't they all?

Let's not forget Roger Stone.

Today is Trump's "I am not a crook" moment. And in true Trump fashion, he had a hired hack do it for him.

R573 not [bold]the[/bold] Antichrist, but [bold]an[/bold] Antichrist.

This is from [italic]A Course in Miracles[/italic]

1. What is an idol? 2 Do you think you know? 3 For idols are unrecognized as such, and never seen for what they really are. 4 That is the only power that they have. 5 Their purpose is obscure, and they are feared and worshipped, both, because you do not know what they are for, and why they have been made. 6 An idol is an image of your brother that you would value more than what he is. 7 Idols are made that he may be replaced, no matter what their form. 8 And it is this that never is perceived and recognized. 9 Be it a body or a thing, a place, a situation or a circumstance, an object owned or wanted, or a right demanded or achieved, it is the same.

T-29.VIII. 2. Let not their form deceive you. 2 Idols are but substitutes for your reality. 3 In some way, you believe they will complete your little self, for safety in a world perceived as dangerous, with forces massed against your confidence and peace of mind. 4 They have the power to supply your lacks, and add the value that you do not have. 5 No one believes in idols who has not enslaved himself to littleness and loss. 6 And thus must seek beyond his little self for strength to raise his head, and stand apart from all the misery the world reflects. 7 This is the penalty for looking not within for certainty and quiet calm that liberates you from the world, and lets you stand apart, in quiet and in peace.

Too many people accept idols, substitutes for their reality, because they don't know any better, don't want to know any better. Many of us in our preteens had entertainment idols but we grew out of them. Nobody who has a memory going back thirty years, who read Philip Roth's [italic] The Plot Against America[/italic], who doesn't rely on corporate American news media for news, who doesn't watch reality TV, who doesn't expect news from a channel not licensed by the FCC to be a news channel, who doesn't cling to illusions, would fall for this idol.

R82 Now I've heard everything -- A Course In Miracles! Jesus Christ. When I want to retreat to an ashram and listen to some odiferous charlatan tell me how to vote, I'll let you know.

"And in true Trump fashion, he had a hired hack do it for him."

And that's why he had his minions attend the Trump Tower meeting, so he wouldn't be tainted by it (call my blocked phone number when you're done, m'kay?).

Sociopath has spent his whole life trying to survive when everyone around him was repulsed and repelled by him.

And yet, R584, he survives.

[quote]not [bold]the[/bold] Antichrist, but [bold]an[/bold] Antichrist.

Not particularly helpful, R582. 'Antichrist' was simply a name cooked up by 2nd century Johannine sectarians, first to lob at Marcionites and other gnostics, and then at others within the sect. In time it lost its specific context and became an all-around epithet, used of any opponent.

Since there was no such thing as 'Christ' (Jesus being ahistorical), there's no such thing as 'antichrist.'

R584 Projecting, again

Where is the op? Usually we’d have a link by now.

Yup, this is exactly what the trolls MO have been.

[quote] Where is the op? Usually we’d have a link by now.

Maybe he figured 54,000 posts of dead end wishful thinking was enough ?

R588 thread is already up.

Link to new thread for when this one fills up:

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Yeh R589 Let's link to a hipster with three names (no hyphen --damn it's not quite perfect) whose career at an unknown college is stalled, and spends his time opining on things he knows nothing about.

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