Yuzuru Hanyu and other figure skating talk part 25

Earlier I was ecstatic about Hanyu's renewed goals but now I don't know how to feel about him trying to conquer 4A + all his old quads given information he's released about his ankle and how prone it is to injury now. We all been knew for a while since Helsinski but having the verification come straight from him....really solidifies the reality of it. How he's suppose to conquer 4A if he can barely practice without worrying about damaging a knee that gets more injury-prone every season? He seems dead set on it too. The exchange for gratification is that he'll probably be retiring earlier than expected....at this point forget Beijing 2022, will he even have a functional ankle by 2021? Fuck you, ISU!

R1. I doubt he'll make it to 2022 Olympics. Heck we might have him only for one more season. And yeah I blame ISU for this. I feel he will be on painkillers till he retires. This is not good.

The other thread is almost dead so I'll reply here. People complimenting Nathan for being consistent, I don't want to take away from his accomplishments but it's much easier to be consistent when not much happens in your programs beside the jumps. The problem is that judges are blind to that and that Nathan should never get 5 GOEs on his jumps because they do not tick all the boxes in the rulebook neither should he get 9s in transitions. What pisses me off the most are the hypocritical NA who go after Alina and call her boring and overrated when her programs are full of transitions and intricate steps into jumps while in the same breath calling Nathan a figure skating genius for doing the bare minimum outside of his quad arsenal. The same cunts also go after Trusova although she has already more going for her than Nathan outside of her jumps. I don't mind that Nathan won (much rather him than Shoma), Yuzu wasn't clean in the short and not completely clean in the long and that cost him but let's stop pretending that Nate' scores reflect what he put on the ice.

R3 So I dislike the frau PH forums as much as the next person even though I'm a filthy frau myself, but someone posted a great video that shows the FPs of the top three men minus all the tech (no jumps, no spins) and fuck it, seeing Hanyu basically dancing on blades and Nathan just doing crossover after crossover after crossover makes me mad and insulted by the ISU being completely blind to how far behind other skaters are in terms of program components while forcing Hanyu to approach death by upping his tech to 'catch up'.

R3. Agree. From the beginning of the season nothing changed in regards to Nathan's programs. But miraculously his scores got bigger and bigger. The biggest inflation waa at U.S. nationals which then apparently carried over into worlds.

No hanyu/med pictures ?

R6 No Yuzu/Javi picture either apart from the one with Nam. All are group ones. And no photo with ex bff Uzbekistan renowned choreographer either. He also spent the entire evening overhanding the dozens girls and boys who asked for a picture. Only Keiji got to have the holy fingers touching him during the gala.

The difference in flexibility between Yuzu and the other guys is hilarious.

R8 That photograph is a visual metaphor for so many things.

R6 A few...mostly group shots with the other TCC skaters . Hanyu did get coerced into answering a question with Med for the Olympic Channel IG about who talks more in a press conference.

[R10] like he probably wouldn't have done if it wasn't asked for.

[R6] also pics with TCC never next to med. No sign of Ge neither. Maybe they learnt their lesson for once...

Okay, found that video from R4. Program components of the top three men from their FP at Worlds. Enjoy.

I’m trying to heal, but the swan Sakura fairy keeps pounding me.

I wonder if Hanyu and his doctors have concluded that his ankle is fucked, and no amount of rest, healing or surgery will ever return it to its former healthy state.

So, his only option is to numb it and compete through the pain and hope it holds up enough to still be competitive.

If that is the case, I don't see him being able to up his technical arsenal on a perpetually injured ankle.

I imagine if rest/surgery were viable options to bring his ankle back to full strength, he would've taken those options already and sat out this season.

As I said in the earlier thread, those closest to Yuzu need to stage an intervention with him--he's clearly addicted to the rush he gets from competition because there is no rational reason for him to continue competing.

R15 thanks ISU, think your message couldn’t have been more loud and clear

[R15] As are those close to him.

R15 I think there was an interview yesterday where he mentions the physical thrill he gets from competing especially against strong opponents. Basically he is an adrenaline junkie.

R15. Yes. Someone needs to step in. I can't imagine being his mom and watching him do this to his body.

R17 Good point. I don't know about his family but I can see where members of his "team" would also find their experience with him addictive. All the hype, all the attention.

R18 Didn't see that interview. Makes sense though, doesn't it?

R19 I can't imagine being his mom either and watching this. I have a medical background so I have some awareness of the hell he's likely putting his body through by continuing to compete. And I wonder about his day-to-day pain--is he in pain when he's not skating? Has anyone asked him about this in interviews? Has anyone asked his team about his continued use of pain killers?

R19 He is a 24 years old adult and it's not like he is doing parkour on top of a 50 stores building, he is just (not so) slowly destroying his joints and ligaments for a bit of a rush and posterity. Moreover it's not just about him there is likely a huge pressure on him to continue from his fed and of course as a recipient to the biggest civilian award of his country he also probably feels he needs to give back even more. There are also financial interests from the fed, the isu and people around him in having him compete as long as possible. Add to that pressure from his peers, juniors, seniors and idols for him to go until Beijing and it's obvious it's not such an easy decision to make anymore. And the fact that competing and skating is all his life makes it even harder to stop. It's not like with a guy like Javi for instance. I just hope that he will be able to stop on his own accord and not because he will have destroyed his ankle beyond repair.

R20 I think if he didn't have to compete the pain in his ankle would fade over time but landing quads after quads on it day in day out to prepare for a competition when you know the kind of weight and force a quad puts on the body, there is no way he isn't in pain. Hence I was not surprised to hear he was again taking painkillers. Silver lining now is that he has the off season for it to rest and figure out how to train around it.

Will Hanyu do World Team Trophy?

Or will Tanaka manage to find his way even there?

If you feel that strongly that he should retire, you should do your part and stop watching him compete. Part of that thrill comes from having an audience and you’re contributing to the problem. There isn’t an elite athlete in the world who isn’t an adrenaline junkie and unfortunately, many top athletes will continue to compete until they're too injured to go on. He acknowledged the risk in the small medal ceremony and the concern. He's said in almost every long interview these last few days that he will monitor his ankle and proceed carefully. He knows and probably wouldn't bring it up otherwise. (I also doubt some haven't already tried to convince him to retire.)

R11 Ge did take one of the TCC group photos. It’s the one where Hanyu is the only one not looking at Ge’s camera. Probably just a coincidence, but still funny.

Fernandez and Radford are touring together for SOI Japan starting this weekend. I think it was last year’s SOI where they had that beautiful backstage moment captured on camera.

With Bulgarian skater

With Polish skater

With Lithuanian skater

[quote] With Lithuanian skater

Ah, that's the one where Yuzuru is standing on his toes to look taller.

And isn't Eric Radford getting married soon? I can't remember the name of his husband-to-be. So keep your hands to yourself, Habi! Isn't there some cute Japanese twink you could be bothering instead?

Poster from GS and I agree with him : Be careful with this. Yuzu has lovely flow but there are several problems with his artistry. He looks down a lot, he has bad posture, etc. I love him to death, but let's stop with this Yuzu is the 10 of PCS and everyone is below. He does not have anything near the lines or extension of a Guillaume Cizeron.

ETA: And no one can tell me the Yuzu had well constructed programs this year. Chopin and Seimei make these look like footnotes

I don't know what it is about this picture, if it's their proportions or how they are standing like they're on a prom date as someone on twitter said but I find it endlessly amusing.

Like everyone (well, most people) I'm concerned about what the current state of this sport is making Hanyu feel like he has to do, but I'm also kinda waiting for how his technique will evolve because of it. He said that the major injury risk to his ankle is actually URs more than anything else, so he has to train himself to jump bigger so he can land well. His jumps are already big. They're going to be monstrous.

Also found it funny when he said that he could probably get his 4Lz to about 1 in 20 with a few weeks of training. Just like that, huh? I'd love to see that jump back, it was gorgeous in practices.

Hanyu still looks like he's 15 in all those photos.

Did anyone watch the Netflix Surya episode of Losers? There's nothing more tiresome to me than this revisionist history that Surya was some great skater. She makes Nathan Chen look like Nuryev and Madison H look like a graceful bird. She was an athletic, gymnastic truck driving force who had not one ounce of artistry or taste. She had terrible skating skills, awful programs, and next to no choreography. To have people, even uber frau's like Scott "God made me not gay, but he also gave me cancer" Hamilton praise her as this looked-over master of skating is just too much. Yes there was and still is racism in the sport, but there was a reason Crazy Debbie Thomas won a world medal while Surya had to settle with ripping the silver off her own neck.

Pure dreck.

R33 I totally agree with you!

Was good competition, Neisan! I love to competing with you! Hope you can enjoying your FS world record for next three weeks! <3

(According to Daleman in the background of a livestream, anyway.)

R33 It’s a lycarek vs Plushenko discussion before the new scoring system. Her jumps had very very long telescoping. So does Nathan’s, so does zhou( even worse cause he actually looks back lol). Unfortunately FS has never figured out whether they value artistry v jumps. They let their politics and to some degree fans decide. Can we all admit, Hanyu is quite a phenomenon in popularity?! How Isu wants to spin it in the future is questionable. Once Hanyu fazes out, I assume it will all be athleticism to let nathan reign until he gets injured or retires. Many Hanyu fans will be gone after he retires, many Japanese sponsors may be gone as well if another Japanese skater is not able to compete.

Sorry to carry this over to the other thread but whoever got mad that I said I see Chen and Uno as nothing alike, I never said there's nothing good about Chen's skating. Just that I find it stuff and nothing similar to Uno's. He has good jumps and stiff landings, what can I say.

I'm not mad that Chen or Zhou got on the podium, but I don't think being "consistent" should be what gives you a medal. Yuzu does have problems, I agree that he's not perfect and tends to let go of his posture, but how are Chen and Zhou getting higher scores than anyone else from some judges for their lackluster skating skills and edges and transitions? I don't think I've seen any Asian skaters get inflated PCS -- Hanyu and Uno deserve high skating skill scores, and those below them like Tanaka or Tomono definitely stay below in scores. I felt that way when I watched them inflate the Canadian pair scores at 4cc and underscored the Chinese and this time inflated the Russian pairs and underscored the Chinese... is it just a white man's sport thing and pearl clutching, I wonder. Makes me pretty cynical about it.

r38 not sure, but I don't think they were saying that they skate alike. Just that the 3 exhibitions they skated were interchangeable. all boring, generic male ballads skated at different levels of proficiency.

R38 Sadly, that's the figure skating world for you. It's never been about fairness, it never has been really. When the 6.0 system was in place, there were problems with corruption and bribery. When the new ISU system that was intended to eliminate said biases was put in place after the debacle of the 2002 OG (the last under the 6.0 system), there were even more issues. Every revision of the judging system has done nothing but make the protocols increasingly more vague and open to interpretation, thus making even the most ugly skating receive scores as if it was the most perfect skating in the world. Unfortunately, that's the state of things now and there doesn't seem to be an end to this debauchery in sight.

Bring back school figures!

TSL 3/24 – Worlds: Men – Part 1: Guest: Joe Inman. D says Hanyu fans think Chen was overscored – Joe says Chen was clearly the winner. “What Hanyu did wasn’t any better, quality wise, than what Chen did. To me, a lot of what Nathan does is effortless.” Jon says he thinks Yuzu has better transitions in and out. Joe mispronounces “Hanoo’s” name and says his problem w/him is his carriage; his arms dangle. D says Hanyu looks down too much. Joe: ..but [Hanyu], “he’s a great skater” 10 About performance mark – Joe says Hanyu’s perf is “filled with energy” but he’s out of his music at the beginning of the program and before every quad (which he’d earlier is true for all the men.) But he’d still put him in the 9’s. 12 He does have power and acceleration. “My problem with him is interpretation – all the men have that problem except for Jason Brown, though Jason’s long program didn’t show it – but his short was dynamic.” [Jon nodding yes to disliking his long] All 3 don’t like Yuzu’s music this year compared to last – generic, lacking point of view. They think Seimei was his best, which brought out his best phrasing [an obsession of Joe’s]. 15.50 D: I think his running edge is better than Nathan’s. 26 D asks Joe about Benoit’s choreography w/Bradie/Kaori. Joe thinks it’s interesting but a lot of judges don’t like angular movement like that. 29 D holds up his new book and says this guy Shoma, has better skating skills and posture than Hanyu or Chen. They agree Shoma’s mistakes took down his energy, but Joe loves his knees, power & acceleration, which are things he likes about Hanyu too.

TSL 3/24 – Worlds: Men – Part 2 – 30 Kolyada: Jon loves his posture – Joe hated his Carmen. Nonsensical music cuts and phrasing. 32 D: By contrast, and “typical French”, Aymoz is so sloppy. Joe said Sui/Han had wonderful posture/carriage and Brezina had a “break out” performance and Joe had him half a point higher than Kolyada on all components except skating skills. 36 Shoma’s mistakes took him out of the music – Joe says Moonlight Sonata is hard to skate to. 40 D: How about Vincent’s components? – they’re really inflated… Joe: “Who? Oh Zhou – I think he’s better than what everyone’s saying. Look at the phrasing!...” D: The first half of his prog is still a jump drill. 43 Joe: Speaking of great phrasing, Patrick Chan’s programs were great when he was with Lori every day “before he dumped her.” These skaters need more time w/choreographers. D: “Mie Hamada will tell you that she’s the only skater who works w/Vincent who works on both the jumps and the actual skating.” 46 Joe wd like to work w/Zhou & Nathan on understanding music. 50 D questions Orser as a coach when he looks at Jason’s and Medvedeva’s music, plus having Jason do an edge type quad was also a questionable decision, but his elements have gotten much better. 58 Joe said the men were giving much more artistry than the women. Jon: I’m still getting flak for saying the women were like a juniors comp (except Satoko who was undermarked.) Joe wd have given Zag 7.5 to 8 in interpretation. “Nobody was a 9 in ladies” 1.06 Joe: Cipres used to be harsh with Vanessa but Zimmerman has toned that down and forced him to behave.

TSL 3/24 – Worlds: Men – Part 3 – 1.12 Joe leaves the video, and D&J continue. They agree Kolyada needs that rumored coaching change – and surprisingly, they think Shoma should change coaches due to problems w/technique and his mental state at Worlds. D: He needs Mie Hamada’s “hard ass structure” 1.21 Tom Z will probably write a book after Zhou’s success at worlds – “How to Solve Urs” or some such. 1.23 D thinks Orser is too heteronormative quad-quad-quad in outlook and he doesn’t think much of Jason. D thinks Jason will help him as he becomes more of a ladies’ coach (to help Med – D thinks if Med cd just hit a beautiful line, a beautiful spiral, she’d have more options.) Lots about Jason. 1.30 They think Jason shd work with Sandra Bezic (D makes fun of her ostentatiousness). Then D also imitates Doug Haw, brashly: “He’s doing yoga!! Brian says fine – if it makes him stronger and happy I don’t care” 1.33 Team Trophy – D: they shd def send Mariah and shd use her everywhere, now she’s famous. 1.38 D’s moment from the men’s was Hanyu’s 4T/3A which excites him “from the inside out” and the quad loop was amazing. Another moment of Dave’s: Backstage when Hanyu’s so upset and Brian says, “We’ll stay in touch.” Hanyu says, “I just want to work really hard!” And Tracy says, “You do!!!” Jon’s moments: Nathan’s and Hanyu’s step sequences in the short programs. D: Shoma Uno’s! J: Also Shoma Uno’s step sequence! J’s overall moment was Sui/Han. D: And Marie France in that trenchcoat, and P/C’s free dance made history. END

R41: Yes, bring back figures! Skaters should know how to skate.

Any senior man who can't do a quad needs to retire ASAP (psssttt...Jason B.)

Brezina is in his late twenties and has increased his difficulty content, so why can't Jason?

I starting to hate figure skating

Does Jason plan on ever trying a quad?

R48 he’s been failing at quad all season

You knew he couldn’t resist

I said this in the other thread. I find it sad that Nathan has done nothing to improve his programs all season but his scores somehow got bigger and bigger. It inflated so much at U.S. nationals and sadly that was carried over to worlds. I shouldn't be surprised. I have always seen the darkness in figure skating when it came to scores. This will never change and I am one that stopped watching when weir retired. I will have to leave again once Yuzuru retires. Isu clearly does not care to fix this ridiculous scoribg problem These athletes (not just yuzuru) work so hard and what is happening is not right.

R50. He is such an attention whore.

R50 couldn't help not being on the spotlight. He's so desperate

Hanyu's not going to WTT.

Glad to hear he isn't going to WTT. He needs to rest that ankle. His ankle was begging him not to go. Glad he listened.

I don't understand how Med can be a figure skater and have this belly. She's literally exercising that area of her body every day. Gabby looks tiny compared to her. This is Jason Brown's twitter, so no ps, I hope.

R56 She naturally has a large waist ( almost look like no waist ) and she can't do anything against that even if she gets more thinner.

r56 that's just her genetic pre-disposition. She'd have to have a sickly low body fat percentage and specifically work certain muscles in order to lose it. I know someone with her height and body type and even when she was as low as 93 lbs. she still had a protruding belly. Just not worth the time to work that hard on it if it unless it's impeding her skating somehow.

and comparing her body negatively to someone who obviously has an eating disorder and is less successful in every way seems strange, at best

What is funnier is that she usually wears croptop during practice only to "show off" that large waist. Liza Tuk also has the same body like Med.

She never showed this amount of skin before lol not very found of her training outfit but I would have expected more structured abs or something. When it's genetic there's no much you can do

R56, she looks like she has a full bladder and needs to use the ladies room, that's all.

R56 She's not fat the bump is her uterus. Some women have a more distinct bump there and no amount of exercise will make that go away it all depends on your body type.

Ciao, bitches!

Why is this person so obsessed with insisting that Yuzuru doesn't like pink ? And what's is the problem with whether he likes pink or not ? I swear this is the third time I saw he/ she talk about that.

W54 smart, the ankle made the right decision

r64 That's Iron Klaus? She's a huge fan and often brings news first, so that's bizarre. I think Yuzu said that pink is one of his lucky colors. I don't think he'd wear colors he dislikes just for Johnny Weir, especially that Johnny Weir didn't seem to be that fond of pink. Plus, there's the Prince shirt and Haru Yo Koi, and Johnny has nothing to do with those.

r58 I watched Gabby carefully, but she looked very healthy, in my opinion. Certainly not starved, her legs looked very solid. Maybe she just ends up photoshopping herself.

WTT team

Kihira

Sakamoto

Uno

Tanaka

Miura / Ichihashi

Komatsubara/Koleto

Team captain: Komatsubara

R66 an eating disorder is more of a mental health issue. You're not necessarily going to be able to see it - bulimics are actually more often than not a little pudgy and Gracie Gold with anorexia is overweight . It's pretty obvious that Gabby has body dysmorphia. I thought she even publicly said she had one, though it's hard to keep track of everything that's wrong with her these days so not sure

The selected WTT team

R64 She is a total bitch who snaps at anyone who comments under her posts. Moreover she very often translates things out of context/wrongly and create drama for no reason (I believe she loves it). There are way better translators in the fandom so I can't believe she still has so many followers. She is just one of those typical homophobic heteronormative Asian fraus who find Hanyu-sama so manly and would love to swoon in his skinny arms and don't you dare call him gay. I always wonder why these cunts chose to stan Yuzu of all skaters. The bishounen appeal I suppose. Tl;dr just ignore/block the bitch. You won't miss anything.

R56...damn, Javi is looking super hot in that picture. Aging like a fine wine.

r67 Uno should take a break too. Sucks to be him.

Japanese viewership stas. The most interesting is the comparison of numbers vs last year's. Especially considering that last year Shoma was coming off an Olympic silver high and a candidate or gold. Nope, those ads won't be rolling without Yuzu. Though the fact that this year the event was in Japan and in prime time and last year it wasn't (at least I don't think so?) must have been a major factor too.

Forgot the link

Also, it seems Yuzu will be a guest at the WTT gala, great news! I hope the lightning will be better, and by better I mean more pink. Because in Saitama the lighting made him look, as somebody said, more like fish than a sakura flower. I actually prefer the Helsinki performance, although the ice-kissing ice-hugging hydroblade from Saitama is a whole new level of awesome.

What a baby. How on earth is that a 24 years old man.

Yuzu seems in pretty good spirits here about his loss although like everyone else here I wonder whether he's not song himself up for disappointment with all this" raiser his ability" talk given the state of his ass hole.

*ankle! the state of his ankle!

Jesus fucking christ I don't know whether I hate or love the spell check.

R77 I really think he genuinely took that loss better than any major loss he has had in the past and that's because regardless of what happens from now on he has 2 OGMs which no one will ever be able to take from him. However I also agree that him believing there was a gap in ability which he needs to close by working harder (who works harder than this guy) is ridiculous. That Nathan almost got 95 in pcs is beyond outrageous. On another note I'm no Shoma fan but why does he have to do the WTT. Literally no one gives a shit about that competition. From what I understand he also had an injury and given his bad technique if he keeps pushing he is really going to destroy his body. Let both Yuzu and him skip it. I read that Yuzu will be there as a guest any way. They can do the same with Shoma. I expect Javi will also be invited. Make it an ice show instead of a useless comp and be done with it.

You'll all forget about Hanyu after I regale you with my masterful artistry at WTT.

R80 As if Tanaka 'Yuzu-chan's knight in shining armor since preschool' Keiji who would defend him from bullies like Kanako mocking his mushroom haircut since they were 10 and let him cry on his shoulder afterwards, would ever held such thoughts.

Funny how the manager of med Instagram now post as Alina's ones lol the Japanese part sounds quite weird tho

I cannot find that gif of Kanako bullying mushroom Yuzu and him dropping his head on Keiji to cry but here have another bodyguard bff Tanaka and scared doe Yuzu.

WTT is a shitty competition but it's a good place to set a new WR.

Come on Javi, go stand next to Eric. We all know you both want it.

R79 It isn't ridiculous at all. It's realistic. Scores don't reflect a skater's ability. I believe he was quite shocked at Nathan's huge scores at Worlds because he thought he could win free skate or at least lost to Chen's by a much smaller margin. He might not genuinely believe there is a gap in ability between them, he might think Nathan is overscored af. But Nathan will get those scores no matter how outrageous they are. Working harder to improve consistency and learn more quads,...is the only possible way to beat Chen.

Sometimes I wish Yuzu was more like Patrick and would throw some shade. Nathan should never have had such a lead over Yuzu. It was already overblown with the sp but the 10 points gap in the fs is beyond ridiculous. I also find interesting how different people like Ted Barton or Philippe Candeloro have said that they consider the 4loop to be more difficult than the flip and possibly than the lutz. Unfortunately its base value is lower than both pushing Yuzu to believe he needs to go for both of those jumps to win. Every time I see Yuzu land the 4loop my hips hurt for him. It's such a dangerous jump as Candeloro mentioned.

Lol. I thought Yuzu had tried to tone down his skinship with men after that fat lard Kitano' s vile joke a few months ago but seems like it's not exactly the case. Curious to see what they did this time with Mr Ice dancer by day princess carry expert by night.

According to more than one poster in her thread at GS, Rika is planning a 4S in the first half and a 3A in the second half of her free skate next season.

Well at least Raf is honest. Why bother with the rules since judges are idiots anyway. Good to know he agrees Nathan is boring.

R77, well I mean you're probably not wrong per se, but it didn't make sense in the context

R90 But he talks about yuzuru as well.

r69 shoma looks pissed

The way that US skating fans treat Raf is so funny to me. They are such hypocrites. Imagine if Eteri said she didn't care about transitions or if she told one of her skaters "elephants can't fly"...but when Raf does this shit he gets a pass. So honest and refreshing! And of course, he doesn't want ladies to learn quads. He just wants to bump up the age limit (because let's face it...his girls aren't going to win shit as the rules stand now)

R78 No, no. You were correct the first time. Hanyu has been fucked by the ISU for the entirety of his senior career thus far...you're right to be concerned about the state of his asshole.

R95 But he said I was the first!!!

Do I look imperious?

[R60] Med started wearing the crop tops for practice after she got a shipment from her sponsor Nike. I agree they aren't flattering.

R96 The first one I loved.

R58 You type fat and postpartum. Gabby's eating disorder does not manifest itself in an abnormally low body weight. She has a normal, athletic body. So no, it's not "strange" to compare Med to Gabby. As people have pointed out, it's likely just Med's body shape. Or, the most obvious reason - she's carrying Hanyu's child.

R62 Good. There's a simple solution then. She can just remove the uterus.

R64 IK is a strange one. I like her just fine, but she is very thin-skinned and prickly. Didn't know she was Asian. She's often lectures her followers about following anti accounts, but she follows and often retweets one of the worst Hanyu anti accounts of all - rd to sochi or something.

R87 Hanyu's BV is really not that much lower than Nathan's - for both SP and FS, I think it's a handful of points - like 5 points. He should be more than able to make that up in the quality of elements, but he's now realizing the judges don't give a shit about that.

I can't find it right now, but there's a recent interview where Raf blames the whole Bell/Lim incident on Lim and refers to her as "the Korean" while calling Bell by her name. He goes on AT LENGTH and doesn't even try to be equanimous. He also blames the adults around Lim and iirc, her parents. He really knows how to stick it to the Orientals! I wish people would interview Raf more. He's so entertaining.

And to be clear, I mean 5 points TOTAL. Not 5 points for each program.

R100 "Or, the most obvious reason - she's carrying Hanyu's child." I'M TRIGGERED.

I'd believe in YuzuruJason fucking in TCC showers more than in the whole 'Med carrying Hanyu's child' BS... Sorry.

R103 I think you have to know how to spell "skeptical" first before you can consider yourself a skeptical person.

R103 and yet you killed me with your showers show lol

I don't get how poeple can ship hanyu/med on a communication level it would hard and she'll go back to Russia and he to Japan. End of the story. It's sweet to see people dreaming ;)

R106 well I mean, that applies to most Hanyu ships. Except Hanyu/anyone from team Japan. Speaking of that why does nobody ships Hanyu with Uno?

R107 Shimano spends too much time sleeping to care about love lol

R108 *Shoma

R107 Yuzu/Shoma is disgusting. At least go for the superior team Japan ship. Yuzu/Med's issue is not a linguistic one, nor is it even a sexual orientation one. The main problem is that even if he was straight, she behaves like a fucking creepy stalker fan. He can and should do better than a batshit crazy Armenian girl with raging hormones and an overbearing personality. Yes thousands of fans around the world do the same but at least those don't have close and extensive access to him on a daily basis. She seriously gives me the creeps.

Med probably read about Nijinski's story. Poor guy was gay but was relentlessly pursued by an insane fangirl throughout Europe until he caved in and married her. He spent the last decade of his life in a mental hospital. Hopefully Hanyu can see the big red warning sign and stay away from trouble and not end up in the same predicament. If mama Hanyu wants him to marry a nice girl he should go for someone like Satoko.

R103 R106 JFC, I thought it was an obvious joke. Sorry to set off the ridiculous Med/Hanyu shipping discussion.

R103 What's a sceptical person? One who waves their sceptre around? Don't threaten me, Renaissance Faire creep!!

R111 Hanyu should go for a nice girl like Miki Ando.

R107 Most of Hanyu ships are harmless jokes. Hanyu/ Med ship made up by Russian ubers and welcomed by their own client is on another level. Anyway Russian homophobia is disgusting so can't blame those brainwashed people born there.

R110 C'mon no one will take Yuzu/Shoma serious. I'm more surprised that no one seems to ship Plushenko/ Yuzuru

Ship us please. I'm begging for it.

R114 It seems everyone on team japan likes Tanaka. He's the only normal one of them all. Have you guys seen Uno grinding his hips into Tanaka's lap? I'm not kidding about this. There's a video somewhere. I may or may not be exaggerating about the grinding, but he's definitely on his lap.

R113 Med and her Russian bots as well as Mr Ge should be permanently banned from sns.

The One True Ship is Hanyu/The Ice. Look at he how caresses it and kisses it... Such passion and love. And look at the intimacy. Such kinky positions...

R117 could have been fun having his lips stuck on the ice lol

R113 they are fckg crazy. Hanyu's coming to an end, so will med when he goes back home lol He already miss to be in the light and have direct contact with him. Still finds a way to use him on sns, he knows how to work is shit out lol

R115 He seems like such a chill guy and I really like his gala programs. He just doesn't have the nerves for competition but he will make a great show skater. And he is pretty cute. Why did you have to put the image of Shoma grinding on someone in my head. I feel like throwing up.

Tanaka is a boring ass

R120 It might be boring, but at least it's clean.

R119 I am not sure his problems are nerves. He can hold them quite well at Nationals compared to others. Maybe it's just that he is not that good

R113 no one ships Plushenko/Hanyu because Plushenko's nose gets in the way. It would be a triad.

[quote] C'mon no one will take Yuzu/Shoma serious. I'm more surprised that no one seems to ship Plushenko/ Yuzuru

I like the idea of Yuzu and Shoma. I want Yuzu with somebody who's sweet and not too egotistical, and that ain't easy to find in the skating world. And it would have to be a Japanese and a skater. Oh and when asked what he'd want in a wife, he said someone small that he would feel like he needed to protect. (I know, sheesh) But anyway, Shoma is small and as Yuzu said, he's so kawaii - like a puppy! And Shoma laughed. I mean, they're just the perfect pair.

R124 I told them I wanted someone small to protect too, but noooo oneee believed meeeeee.

R124 Triple puke. Shoma is like a puppy indeed, one who still shits every where in the house and doesn't understand why you don't reward him afterwards. Why would you ship him with anyone but a caretaker is beyond me.

this week we have Egna Spring Trophy

Entries

Ladies

all Italian girls

Nathalie Weinzierl

Starr Andrews

Men

Andrew Torgashev

Zandron

what country is "BRG"? Anyway we will see MARINOV RADOSLAV from BRG

But Yuzu likes taking care of Shoma - adjusting his collar, his medal ribbons, his microphones, rolling up his too-long sleeves, cleaning up after him (pushing chair back under table, tidying the nameplate etc.) I hardly think of him as a bear - but sort of a Mama Pooh Bear, and Shoma's like a little cub. I'm really getting into this lol. Now how do I make a Weibo account and figure out how to photoshop?

Oh remember when they were walking down that corridor and Yuzu took off his jacket for Shoma to put on because he was shivering? And he told him to tie up his trousers once? Maybe they're already together - the best kept secret in skaterdom!

Someone needs to make a huge collage of all of these. Poor boy. No wonder he never socializes.

Is this the girl who skates for Poland who just started at TCC last year? There was a gif of her and Yuzu, kicking one leg up and doing the victory sign?

Anyway, I really do want to like Evgenia - and pictures like this make me feel better. I don't follow all her accounts and stuff, but I don't think I've heard of much tacky Yuzu shipping lately - and she doesn't seem to push herself on him, like at the gala or banquet or anything, the way Misha used to do. I think she's got the message. And there must be somebody she could move on to - that Orzel boy is drop dead gorgeous, and the same age as her.

Oops forgot the link to the Polish girl and Zhenya

She is not polish, she is russian

Oh that's nice - so they can talk to each other in their native language at TCC.

The only female I could see Hanyu with is a Marie Kondo clone. Can you imagine how adorable the two of them would be, sparking joy as they folded each other's underpants?

As for males, I could see Hanyu with all sorts of big, muscular guys but never with a little person like Shoma.

Is there a big muscular Japanese skater? Keiji? Kenji?

R129 I knew there were all sorts of things, that's why I brought it up. Shoma must be certainly glad senpai notices him lol

R136 Not a skater but the obvious answer.

I know he's tiny but I see Shoma as pretty butch - Dai did call him the bulldozer. He's sloppy - but that's a masculine type trait too. What a he-man! I mean, can you imagine him wearing that pink jellyfish costume, with all the ruffles and frills? I can't.

That's a pretty good option R138. Yuzuru once wanted to play baseball - and when he threw an opening pitch, he did it the right way, not "like a girl"

And one is outgoing and the other seems to me to be very very shy, but I don't know the guy very well.

Why doesn't Tamara's name ever come up? Hot check. Skater check. Butch acting, check. Plus, we know they've already kissed.

Are we just distracting ourselves from all the sad Hanyu interviews today?

R141 It's not like anyone seriously expected him to go to WTT and everyone knows his ankle is fucked beyond repair.

R131 she is a Russian pair girl

R142 I'm not talking about WTT. There are quite a few gut wrenching interviews that came out today.

So are we going to get some juicy bits at last now that Eric and Javi are reunited for SOI? Who can we count on to spill some beans?

Eric wouldn't touch that diseased whore with a ten foot pole.

Tamura would be great - though he's 15 years older than Yuzu. Here's a quote of Tamura talking about Hanyu in December 2015:

...he also called out to my skaters as well, he is conscious of the people around him. Not only is he a great skater, he’s a great person as well.

R144. I read them and was thinking some would be talking about it here. And yes they were gut wrenching. I seriously sometimes worry for his mental state.

Where do we find these interviews? (translated to English)

Oh and R143 - she's not in pairs - she's in singles, and won that 4 countries competition this season (link)

That girl was not kurakova, thats aleksandra Boikova,jesus

No - look at the instagram at R132, it has her name on it: @ekaterina_kurakova.

R138 I get such bottom vibes off Ohtani, it's crazy. I look at tiny Hanyu in that picture and think "Hanyu would wreck that guy."

R148 What did he say? Was he being legitimately depressing or just quoting anime/songs like the whole "losing is like death" thing?

So what did you guys think about Orser's interview with Meryl Davis?

R154 Typical Orser's PR stick. Honestly these interviews are pointless because he knows and we know that he can never be honest and talk about Yuzu's injury or mental health, etc so all he can do is giving his best feel good lines each and every time. But I guess it works for some fans who need to be reassured constantly.

R153. Here's one I found. I think if you look through her tweets you can read more?

Thank you fraus of DL thread! I much indebted for your teaching me new words to talk to fatty American skaters. I am sick of using "sluggish." I know not what it means? Slugs are small, not fatties.

I wish to turn back time and say to Rippon. What is happen today with jumps? Grindr hookup put 10 cum babies in your uterus?

Next time, no calling Brezinova pig for me. I will say instead, Eliska, your bladder looks full of fat piggies that ate other piggies. Go to ladies room to relieve them, then you jump.

When Wagner comes in, I say to her, your body shape is naturally like 1000 applies tottering on fat cow. I know not your fault. Is hard jumping with so many apples.

Thank you! It's like he sprinkles in "I've got to watch the condition of my ankle" along with the "I must work hard and add 4Lz and 4F to win" type stuff.

He doesn't outright say "I know I'll be fine and will win and get gold in Beijing"

so I'm confused if he's weighing the pros and cons of continuing, considering the state of his ankle (and hips and knees). As he said (from another translater I think): "All the fragile and brittle parts of my body are coming to the fore. I need to take care of these parts of my body while creating moments when I don't take care of them, and somehow keep evolving. At least this is what I hope I can do." "I haven't had time to think about the next Olympics at all, honestly. Nathan says we'll be at the Bejjing Olympics in no time at all, but for me it's different. If I try to take stress off of my ankles, it damages my lower back, or my knees start hurting... and also, "Right now, I don't know how far I can push myself. That's how it is."

It seemed to me that Shizuka was being rude when she, according to the translator, "pointed out that previous male skaters have had to deal with injuries as well and she asked him about his own condition and views. She also pointed out that some had surgery to continue competing..."

Well, missy, why did YOU retire at age 24? You could have kept working for medals for Japan, you know!

Hanyu's already returned to Canada. WTF?

R156 Thanks, I've been perusing Twitter and it's depressing. So Hanyu basically thinks he's not good enough, cried from training too hard, and pretty much said he's worse than Nathan, that he just needs to work harder to improve his skating abilities. Thanks, ISU, for sucking the life out of him. I swear, if he kills himself on this mission to skate "better", I'm personally going to the ISU and telling them that they are responsible for the murder of Yuzuru Hanyu because they are killing him with their damn system and their "dance monkey dance" attitude.

R152 I don't know if you're judging from just that one interaction, but Ohtani does not give off bottom vibes. I follow baseball and have seen him interviewed often. He's shy and awkward but does not ping at all.

Looks like we don't have to wait for SOI to see some Radford/Fernandez necking.

R127, do you know if this Edna Spring Trophy will be livestreamed? I'm having major skating withdrawal already.

R159 Where'd you see that? I thought he was going to hang around Japan for the WTT gala stuff.

R162 If I were Eric's fiance I would tell this (not so) straight (after all) twink to keep his hands off my man.

R164. I saw this. Not sure how accurate it is.

R163 probably here. They livestreamed the Egna Dance Trophy in February

R160. I'm concerned. I did not like reading he could feel love but he could also feel hate. I'm wondering if he was talking about during worlds. Brian can send 10 million messages telling us he's fine. Hanyu tells something completely different. It is heartbreaking to read this.

R159 Poor mama Hanyu. One week in Japan and no stop in Sendai.

Tanaka and Hanyu (and Hino) already plan to travel the world together after they retire. There will be plenty of time for their relationship to blossom.

r153 For the love of god, not again! That’s not a translation, but a fan’s personal feelings. There was no “hate stabbing him like needles” talk. First of all, he said he cried on the last day of training because he felt a release. He’d worked really hard through the pain and exhaustion every day, and now it was time for it to pay off. He would perform, win, enjoy himself and be happy. Of course, he lost and unlike Pyeongchang, didn’t have that same feeling of satisfaction… BUT then he said he’s so impressed with Chen’s maturity and mental strength at such a young age, and is now very motivated because he finally has a rival to surpass, which makes him happy as it’s what he always wanted.

r165 Who says fiance won't be touching Judge Bulge's ten foot pole while Eric issp gone. Why were they hanging out together anyway?

This is the interview. Even if you don’t understand Japanese, you can at least tell he’s not being weepy and sad.

Sorry, that was for r156 , not r153.

R170 English is my first language. Perhaps not hers. She said. "Then he said .....' Don't get uptight with someone reading it. The way she wrote it right there in front of their eyes. She should have said these are my feelings. She didn't. I read it twice.

R170 I agree that there is no need for the overdramatic reaction and that he took the loss quite posivitely this time but let's not kid ourselves either, his ankle is toast and other parts of his body are falling apart and even he realizes he might not be able to make all his dreams/goals come true at this rate. I wish he would drop the 4lz/4f nonsense. I absolutely do not want him to bring back the 4lz. I have ptsd of that jump. He should focus on the quad axel and see if that's achievable. In any case I hope he won't do a Plushenko and go for another Olympics just to be too injured to compete there.

Pasting it here too. She said yet today he said he is tired, that it's hard. So where am I missing these are my feelings? Like I said English is my first language and I can read this clear as day. If it's not what he said Then she is wrong.

This is someone who's never been 100% upfront with his inner thoughts. Yet today he said he is tired, that it's hard, that he can feel the love as well as the hate stabbing him like a needles. Please, he's just a boy. What more do he needs to sacrifice in pursuit of happiness? 😭

R172 JDC could be Iron Klaus with how snappy and condescending they are quite often. A key to stop being a cunt: realize you aren't necessarily always right even if you think so/you are not so irreplaceable that it gives you a right to belittle others.

JDC didn't belittle anyone - just expressed being upset at that person for mistranslating Yuzuru's words to fit her own fan fantasies.

I'm sure JDC was just frustrated that we read these weird mistranslations and then frau the fuck out all over this thread. Sorry, but JDC is not replaceable.

WTT is in 2 weeks. I wonder if Yuzu will come back for the gala or if he is going into hermit mode until faoi starts. I suppose the latter is more likely now. Too bad. Hopefully he filmed some nice additional sekkisei ads to keep us fed in the meantime.

R175. I'm going to just step away from the computer for a little while I usually do that so I don't say something that might come off wrong. . Maybe they didn't mean anything. I just didn't like for the love of God! They sounded angry.

R175 [quote]so I don't say something that might come off wrong

Like calling me a cunt? Iron Klaus is one of the translators I've correct here before, by the way.

R177 r176 Thank you.

R180 I'm R175 but not R179 aka I believe the person you snapped at.

r170 If I hadn't read somewhere that Matsuoka is married, I'd ship him with Yuzu. The man is damn fine, age difference be damned.

About Iron Klaus, someone said she's a typical heteronormative fraush fan? But... that how can one be a typical heteronormative fan while going by Iron Klaus?

R179 I think you're being very over-sensitive. You posted a mistranslation (as a number of us have done in the past few days because of course, we are all concerned about Hanyu). Given the things people say on this thread, "for the love of god" is practically an endearment. Please calm down, it's no big deal.

R175 IK wouldn't survive for a second on this thread. I like her curmudgeonly personality, but she is quite humorless and sensitive. Are you the one who always calls JDC a "cunt" or a "translator bitch" but never tells us how exactly you disagree with them or how they're wrong?

R180. Nope. Won't call you that. Sorry but I don't come here and call others names. The only one I came close to calling a name was Daitroll when it called me an idiot. You came off angry at me. Perhaps that wasn't your intention. I then decided to cool off.

R156 twitter says does not exist???

Hug it out b*&tches, we can all get a bit outraged, don’t take it so personal. I’ve read much much worse on this forum.

Finally, JDC- you complete this forum, best gossipy crap ever. You are irreplaceable-rage away.

Geez, guys, in addition to his pinky, looks like Hanyu fucked up his index and middle finger too. With such deformed fingers, who will marry him now???

Hug it out babies, y'all bring fun to this thread, and JDC keeps our frauness in check, which is much appreciated.

R186 every woman between the ages of 12-99 in Japan.

R188 It's Japan so there's probably a fairly sizable 100+ contingent too.

R185. That's weird. It was up all day. Wonders if she is secretly posting here and saw her tweet and then deleted. 😂😱

All this talk about a quad axel is ridiculous. Yuzuru is already injured and only getting older. Look at Shoma, already chronically injured in some fashion, and he's like 20 years old? Even Vincent has has knee or some type of leg injury, and he's 18. Yuzuru should save his health and sanity and do all the shows and commercials while his popularity is at its height. Competing injured and losing sounds really bad for his mental state too. He looked skinnier than ever and all this is troubling.

R190 It was Iron Klaus who originally posted the hate/stabby needles translation. It's still there on her account. I'm confused because it actually looks like she's translating from an interview. Here is the original IK thread.

Yeesh, is it really necessary for them to send Uno to WTT? Give him a break and let Tomono have his chance.

One thing I love about both Yuzu and Shoma is that they do not give boring interviews. Shoma goes off on beating himself up to the point of making people uncomfortable and Yuzu goes off to spew emotionally vulnerable poetry that people go crazy over. Just stringing their interviews together would be entertainment of its own. (I'm not saying I'm happy about Yuzu's unhappiness, don't @ me)

The only one Hanyu dares to kiss in public lol

Touch the waist, Keiji. We know you want to.

r183 r185 r187 Thanks guys. I think at least one of the translators or their friends post here.

R184 Sorry about that. I meant to reply to r175, who actually called me a cunt. “For the love of god, not again” was referring to this cycle of people on twitter mistranslating or mischaracterizing Hanyu’s words, causing foreign fanyus to freak out about something that was never said.

r192 Well, that’s weird. That’s from an entirely different live interview that took place right after the medal ceremony on Saturday with Miyane. The interview the tweeter screencapped and moaned about was with Matsuoka and aired on Monday. So she didn’t understand the Matsuoka interview and used (incorrect) phrases from IK’s translation of another interview?

As for IK, it looks like she didn’t understand an expression Hanyu used so took artistic license. Hanyu was describing what it’s like when he’s “in the zone” and how he can feel all of the good and ill will from the audience when he’s performing. Miyane asked him if it’s like, “Oh, this person feels really good about me, but not this other guy.” Hanyu said it’s like the audience’s “vibes” pierce him (“sasaru”) and he can feel it all. But he wasn’t “in the zone” during this WC.

“Sasaru” has several meanings, including “to stab (with a weapon)” and “to inject (a needle).” I think IK went with the first definitions she found in a J-E dictionary and came up with “hate stabbing me like needles.”

R186 Maybe it’s Uno’s ghost!

R196 I obviously know you aren't IK as she only posts things out of context and for the longest time (before she was called out numerous times) with no link to the entire article or bits of news she was translating. I was referring to your lovely temper which I found quite similar. As for being a cunt, we all are here otherwise we would be somewhere else not on the dl. In any case I barely post here outside of competitions and now with the upcoming Yuzu drought I will also fade out. In the meantime feel free to put me on ignore instead of derailing the whole thread because your feelings were hurt.

R197 I should just let this go, but this is too irresistible. JDC derailed this whole thread? Let me provide a helpful recap:

Poster 1: Look, a tweet

JDC: "For the love of god."

Poster 1: That was very mean, this love of god talk. I can read

Poster 2: JDC's over dramatic

Poster 1: I can read.

Poster 2: JDC's a cunt.

Poster 1: I need to take a breather because JDC said, for the love of god.

JDC: You called me a cunt.

Poster 2: No, I called you a cunt.

Poster 1: I would never call anyone a cunt.

JDC: Let me explain to you how a subtle turn of phrase can change the import of someone's words.

Poster 2: We're all cunts. You're a ranging cunt because you said "for the love of god"!!!! Not everything is about your butthurt!!! Bai.

Fin.

Eric Radford throwing Stephane

I'm wondering why Hanyu went back to Canada so quickly. Is it because he has a particular doctor he likes there that is treating his ankle? I would have thought he would spend a little time in Japan with family.

R196 and I admit that person did worry me. We all care about Hanyu very much (most of us do) and I think we all just want him happy. So when I read that it hurt. I'm glad it was a wrong translation.

Anyone else see this? I hope we can get a translation but from the comments it looks like the vp from JSF is complaining about the pooh bears?

I wish they'd stop with the pooh bears and knick knacks. Hanyu doesn't need that junk and it's terrible for the environment. I foresee old pooh bears and polyester debris floating in the waters around Japan for thousands of years. He should tell his fans to donate the money to some charity like earthquake relief. In general, those things fans throw can create hazards on the ice.

R203 Spoken like someone who is not a fan of Hanyu.

R202 good lord, you know this started with Raf complaining about the Pooh bears? I think JSF has more important things to worry about than a silly skating tradition. It looks weak and stupid for them to kow tow to another skater and insult their own fans. What's the reason for this? I refuse to believe this guy is just stupid.

Did Raf really complain about the Pooh bears? If Raf was serious, then he must be punished. I'm thinking South Korean fans could be a big help with this.

R206 Raf said the Pooh bears are 'psychological warfare' or something like that. I mean, you're talking about the guy who tells his skaters they're lard asses with animal analogies. I find it interesting that JSF, if indeed it is true that Raf set this whole thing in motion (JDC we await your clarification), would pay any attention to what he has to say.

I don't mind Hanyu's pooh bears as long as he donates them to needy kids like other skaters.

R2O6 R207 To be fair, the JSF VP was responding to a Hanyu anti's Twitter comment that was parroting Raf's comments so he may not have been aware of Raf's complaint. However, he did express his relief that Nate could skate after the Pooh rain without being physically and emotionally affected. He also shared a personal video of the Pooh rain, of course further setting off fans who were restricted from filming. LoL I gotta go look up what JDC has said about this guy.

The poohs are ICONIC. The tradition must continue until the end.

R208 I think he does donate them. Brian has mentioned it before and also after Helsinki GP there were pictures of volunteers sending the Poohs off to a children's hospital.

R209 Again, I find it hilarious he is suddenly so concerned about the mental state of his athletes when he belittles them in training. Poor sensitive Raf just wants somebody to rain Poohs on him, too.

Of course Raf hates the poohs. They are fatties that can fly, thereby undermining an important Raf truism. How can he face his students now??!!

Orser gave an interview about the Poohs not long ago. Hanyu's team first goes through everything to remove notes, letters, etc. and then they're donated to a charity or hospital. Brian said he's occasionally helped with this himself and made it sound like they take this process quite seriously.

I remember that. And Orser mentioned Yuzu's sister!! that she helped out with the sorting. My ears really pricked up because you so seldom hear any mention of her (or his dad.) I guess she'd be 28 now. Don't know if she's married, what her career is, just radio silence. Hard to believe, amirite Itsuki?

I rewatched Victory Ceremony and Zhou looked so handsome. If only his skating was as good as his look.

R216, thank you for redefining your standard of handsome to include me. I'm 18 now and waiting for you.

I find his voice quite nice too.

Russia team for World Team Trophy

Kolyada, Samarin

Samodurova, Tuktamysheva

Zabjako/Enbert

Sinitsina/Katsalapov

R191 no matter how we feel about Hanyu (keep skating or retire) he will do what he wants. All we can do as his fans is keep supporting him. And we have to trust him.

R218 You are too kind. Since you have expressed interest in my voice, I shall consider reading my poetry aloud. I should perhaps start a Youtube channel dedicated to my ouvres. What say you? Thank you for the encouragement.

I found this translation of something Yuzuru said after Worlds: “I want to get 4Lz back first. After that I will attempt 4F and then 4A."

So he wants to win more than the 4A - I think at a press conference or something, Nathan was saying edge jumps vary more depending on the hardness or softness of the ice, and Yuzuru talked a lot about the ice conditions in Saitama - and the difference between the short and long programs in the softness of the ice. Also that he couldn't get space in the warm-up for the short to land his 4S.

Anyway, you're right R220. It's his business and certainly none of mine. I'm just interested in what he'll do next.

I'm glad Tuk at least gets WTT.

R222 I wonder how Tuk would have fared at these Worlds if she was sent instead of Med?

R222 I don't understand why he got it in his head that he needs the lutz or even weirder the flip when all he needed to do to win was to land both his quads salchow. I understand not liking the risk of having a lower bv to begin with but trying to get back the 4lz with the burden it takes on his ankle and the high risk is really a wrong move imo. He might worsen things to the point his dream of landing the quad axel will be impossible to reach. He should really focus on his 4s which has been a snake to him quite a few times throughout his senior career and then go for the 4a if he believes it's still achievable. The 4lz is the reason his ankle is in this state to start with. Hate that fucking jump. Hopefully now that he is back to Toronto and able to think without having a hundred cameras in his face at any time he will be able to think more calmly and reconsider all this.

"Transition" used to be "a thing" to get more points but after this season, everything changed. I think Eteri will have her students drop transtions and difficult steps, put focus on quads and skate empty programs soon. Her student will get high scores anyway. She is great at playing with system.

About 4lz, 4F and 4A I'm always skeptical about 4A. But 4F and 4Lz are fuckin outrageous. He is thinking about 4Lz when he even can't do 3lz and his ankle is still fucked up. I don't mean to underestimate him but I don't see it happen tbh.

R224 Winning with 2 4S ?? ISU will disagree with you.

R200 I don't blame him for wanting to get his firm ass away from Japan and the JSF as fast as possible and back to Canada when the thanks he gets from being their only medallist at this competition is stuff like complaints about his fans throwing stuffed animals on the ice.

R225 I mean his 4s together with his 4l and 4t. If he had landed everything even with Nathan's outrageous overscoring I believe Yuzu would have won. He needs to focus on this. Also this layout may not have been the best. He did it because he absolutely wanted to do that 4t 3a element but in terms of maths it was always a risk. I'm sure he knows all this. As for the shit coming from the jsf. What can I say. Disappointed but not surprised. I wish he didn't love his country that much, so he would consider switching to Canada. Japan clearly does not deserve him. Even a lot of his Japanese fans are super passive and let him be abused without saying anything. Good thing he is in Toronto now. Tbh I'm really curious what kind of visa he has at this point given the extensive periods of time he stays there nowadays.

R227 I agree - I don't think we'll see the 4T3A next season. As someone said upthread, we're also seeing that transitions count for shit so I'll be curious to see how Hanyu adjusts to this. The transitions contribute to the beauty and flow of his programs so I doubt he'll just do a Nathan, but I think the programs are going to be less intricate, which is such a shame. But if he learns anything from his idol Plush's career, it should be that maths is more important than pride when it comes to winning. Hopefully, he can balance both.

I wouldn't put a lot of stock into the whole 4LZ, 4F talk. Hanyu is adjusting to everything that's happened this season, so he's just thinking aloud. Remember, this is the same guy who said he wanted to be a singer when clearly he is self-conscious about his singing voice or can't sing. Hanyu can be preternaturally wise and composed, but he is also a 24 year old guy and will just say shit sometimes. I think we should give him that leeway. If Hanyu weren't limited by his injuries, I'd be so excited about next season because it sounds like he's found a purpose. But alas, he is injured, so I'm half dreading it. However this ends, have to admire his fighting spirit though - it's easy to be bold when you're young and surging; not so much when you're on the wane.

Is the JSF corrupt?

R227 No, he would't. More or less their score would be the same without yuzuru's pop. And Nathan won FD, anyway

R229 The past is the past. Everything good now.

[quote] I wonder how Tuk would have fared at these Worlds if she was sent instead of Med?

R223 I really think Russia should have sent Tuk and her 3A to Worlds. I guess Sofia winning Europeans screwed up the plan. And from what I hear, TAT was the reason Med was chosen over Tuk. Oh well, a lot will change next year. It'll be exciting to see the Russian juniors move up - but sad that Tuk may not hang in there. But if she could stabilize her 3A and land it in the GPs, maybe she could nudge the Zagmed machine out of the way.

[quote] Hopefully now that he is back to Toronto and able to think without having a hundred cameras in his face at any time he will be able to think more calmly and reconsider all this.

Yep I hope so too. Several times, he said he needed to gauge his health, especially the ankle, as he goes forward, and he said that right after losing - so hopefully, he'll be even more pragmatic as some time passes. I'm pretty new to skating but haven't there been a lot of cases where stars don't know when to leave and the end is sad - Mao? didn't Weir try to make a comeback? It must be hard to say goodbye.

BUT Yuzu really loves his fans - you'd think he could bring more joy to them by doing a lot of shows, not just in Japan, but internationally? And he does love the artistry side of skating so there's so much more he could do - other than mess that foot up so much that he can't even do shows...

Well, I said it was none of my business and I need to remember that lol. He's done a pretty damned good job of planning things so far, even as a kid.

Some people don't like the Poohs? Lol, well, they'll have to deal with them unless they forbid throwing anything on the ice at all. I agree with r210, they're iconic.

Even if Yuzu asks his fans to donate to some charity drive, the result will be that they'll donate and then they'll bring and throw Poohs anyway. Fans know very well that Yuzu doesn't keep them, but they want to show a visible sign of their adoration in that very moment, and Poohs are the way to do it. It doesn't matter that they'll get cleared off in five minutes and get shipped off to the nearest hospital, what matters is that Yuzu will see them. You can't exactly achieve the same effect with donations. And it must be Poohs. Anyone can get a stuffed toy, Poohs are just for Yuzu.

The whole pooh debate is so fucking mean spirited. I've been to many competitions and have never thrown a stuffy in my life, but it's really fun to see the little kids and older women getting all excited. Some people attach letters and thoughtful gifts and have a bag full of them for each skater. It's dumb that this is even an issue.

Re: Poohgate. Even if the JSF/Raf/ISU/USFS wants to forbid Poohs from being thrown on the ice in toto, I can guarantee that fanyus would quickly find a way to circumvent that and still manage to flood the arena with Poohs without actually throwing them. They underestimate the power of the frau.

Hanyu likely returned to Canada right away because he has to be back in Japan soon next month. He has to attend a ceremony (which will be livestreamed) for a new monument in Sendai on April 20 and there may be other events he’s obligated to attend because the emperor is abdicating on April 30. He also has to submit a medical report to withdraw from WTT by the 28th or 29th and maybe needed to get it from someone in Toronto. (He originally intended to do WTT.) He can’t rely on the public rinks and facilities in Japan, especially right now when schools are closed for their spring holiday.

From what I understand, Raf had asked the ISU to adjust the performance times to account for the Pooh cleanup and he was assured it wouldn’t be a problem. But I don’t think that has anything to do with the twitter comment. r209 summarized it well. The tweeter is an anti and Akihisa Nagashima VP never retweeted or responded to such comments before, and never spoke up when fans of other skaters were interfering with Hanyu’s warmups at competitions. The pooh issue at WC was also the ISU/JSF’s responsibility, and his wording made it sound like it wasn’t.

Nagashima is a member of the lower house of the Diet and represents the 21st district of Tokyo (the suburbs). He’s technically independent, but recently started his own parliamentary faction called “Mirai Nippon” (Future Japan). He used to be the policy chairman of Kibou no Tou, a conservative party, but was originally a longtime member of the Democratic Party. He got in trouble a few years ago tweeting about the need to “Japanize” second, third generation kids of foreign residents. (People on both sides took issue with “Japanize.”) I don’t know what his connection to figure or speed skating is or if there is one. Even though they don’t share the same political affiliations, Hashimoto supposedly recommended him to the fed.

r198 For a second there, I thought I was imagining things.

Livestream for monument ceremony:

R237 Once again, JDC to the rescue!

So Daleman admits she edits her pics

It sounds like Gabby is making some serious progress with her body image issues.

JDC-- You really are a treasure and your comments here are much appreciated.

I should mention, Mao ubers hate Nagashima since he was the Vice Minister of Defense while the Democratic Party was in power (the ultra-right think they're anti-Japanese Korean lovers). On top of that, his background is in Korean foreign affairs and he's encouraged Japan and South Korea to work together to deal with North Korea. It'll be interesting to see if those ubers will be doing a 180 with this recent development.

R238 r240 Thanks.

Where do I apply for this job? The woman has admirable self restraint. I myself would have lingered and fingered.

The biggest male uber of Hanyu I've ever seen! Comparing Hanyu and Chen's PCS.

[R243] Pretty accurate I would say. Nathan definitely won, but there was no need to overscore his PCS. Even Raf admitted his programs are boring as hell haha

R243 He should found a fanclub with the Italian Eurosport guy, Massimo Ambesi. Another big fanyu. Also the Yuzu Spanish fan called Enrique who goes to see him every time Yuzu attends a competition in Europe. In one of his fancams he was crying over Yuzu skating.

In other news, Jun Hwan posted more tcc team pictures on his insta and no surprise here Yuzu looks the prettiest. He puts the girls to shame (not that it was very difficult, sorry Med and Gabby fans). He really needs to do a cat theme gala program.

Do Zag and Med have the same manager for their Instagram? Lol its look the same lol

R245 I feel you here, having Yuzu on a pics with those two ladies is shadowing. Maybe Gabby should drop the heavy makeup. I agree he needs to bring back those cat ears from previous shows!

R239, it's great to see Gabby posting photos of what she actually looks like. Thanks for sharing. She looks healthy and slim without photoshop, and it's fantastic she finally sees that.

Is Zagitova injured? I'm surprised to see Sofia going to WTT in her place (I know Med has the hip problem).

If Tuk was at her best, she probably would've been second at worlds based on how everyone skated. That's a big if, though, we really have no idea how she would've performed.

I don't think Tuk would've been on the podium, especially if she fell on the 3a. Judges don't really award her the same GOE as with other skaters.

R250, I agree that without the 3axel she wouldn't have gotten a medal.

Franche team for WTT

Lecavelier, Meité

Aymoz, Siao Fa

James/Cipres

Papadakis/Cizeron

Well, Xiniu did deliver after all.

I never understand this "if X were there, they would have gotten 2nd place for sure!" You can't possibly be sure about that. There are so many factors that can affect performances & the standings, and a lot of scoring hijinks that happen at Worlds. You can't take anything for granted, except for P/C winning, perhaps.

R245 I always forget that Hanyu and Jason Brown are the exact same age. Hanyu looks twenty years younger. Junhwan is adorable. R253 I was going to say, he didn't seek out anyone in the gala photo to be lifted which was unusual. Guess he hasn't lost his touch or his penchant for being a princess.

R255 According to Xinyu's post, it went like this:

'When they met, Yuzu said directly "It's time to take photos! Do it as before!"'

Also he mentioned that Yuzu is a bit heavier than 2 years ago which seriously he must have weighted nothing at the time given how skinny he is at the moment (at least compared to a few months ago).

Psychofans here are hilarious

R256 Reminder that this is the same guy Yuzu asked the help of to remove his gala costume at Worlds a few years ago.

I see Mariah Bell's boyfriend has been snubbed for WTT. Good call, Didier

I love Junhwan's Instagram handle. R257 thank you for letting yourself know.

R253 If anyone had doubts, I think it's pretty clear from that photo which gender sparks joy for Yuzuru Hanyu.

R259 I noticed that too. Heh.

Psychofans here believe Hanyu's standard for everything in skating. But love is blind.

R259, they offered me a spot, but I decided I'd rather stay at home where I could take care of the bunny and defend my Tonya Harding girlfriend all day on Twitter.

the rumors that Italian Fed is drawing lots to select ladies for WTT are unfounded

Challenger Series 2019-20 announced

Oakville 12-14 September

Bergamo (Lombardia Trophy) 13-15 September

Salt Lake City 17-22 September

Bratislava (Nepela) 19-21 September

Oberstdorf (Nebelhorn) 25-28 September

Espoo (Finlandia Trophy) 11-13 October

Minsk 18-20 October

Taipei 30-3 November

Warsaw 14-17 November

Zagreb (Golden Spin) 4-7 December

Pairs will be only in Salt Lake City, Nebelhorn, Finland, Warsaw and Golden Spin

They got rid of Innsbruck (who was present only this season) and especially Tallin Cup. They brought back Warsaw and Minsk. The Asian event is confirmed but moved from August to the full season

GP Final 2020 in Beijing

Fuck

I have never seen this footage before.

Depressing.

But I watched the short and FS and people did throw bouquets of flowers - it looked like a fair number of them. I haven't seen all the skates, but I can't imagine there being more except for Dai.

Here's the free skate - they cut to a nervous Daisuke in the latter part of video.

R243. Thanks for sharing. Enjoyed watching.

R268 Oh please, how can she compare Yuzu's situation at the time with Nathan now. No one is bullying Nathan, if anything Yuzu is still the mistreated one while Nathan is hyper favoured even by Yuzu's own fed which doesn't give 2 shits about their super star. People have been complaining about the outrageous overscoring because it was that ridiculous not to hate on Nathan personally. Honestly that account is a pain. I guess it's ran by a teenager and I would be hypocritical if I said anything about her extreme thirst posts but the thing is that she does all these gay innuendos and fanfics but the moment homophobes start their bullshit like it was the case a few weeks ago, she doesn't take a stand and just call it drama. It's all about shipping for her but real homos it seems she could care less about. She also very often post factually wrong information and it's getting on my nerves that such a braindead teenage fangirl has that many followers who will not question whatever she posts.

R253. Oh! Hanyu looks so happy. Whoever marries him will have to carry him like that. He obviously loves it.

GP Series for 2019/2020 and 2020/2021

R268 Maybe it's just his personality, but I think that's why he makes it a point to be a gracious winner/loser. The skating generation before him (not just Japanese, but all of them) were total cunts to each other. Fun to watch, but in this social media age, it would be ugly and harmful.

R273 Yuzu looks like he just won his third OGM in that photo.

R272 I didn't know she was a teenage girl; explains a lot. The thirst posts are amusing for a second, but barely literate. I can't believe she has 13K+ followers.

R272 She's saying Nate's being bullied? Puhlease. NA are uniformly orgasming all over my tl over him. People are treating the WC win as some kind of vindication for all of Nate's hype pre-2018 Olys. The NA media and fans are all in lock step, while Hanyu had/has members of his own federation against him, fans from his own country disrupting his practices and harassing him, older JPN skaters dissing him. The NA may be ready to crown the next king and are rallying around Nathan, but I think the most intense Hanyu hatred comes from JPN.

R268. What's the Instagram name so I can look? When I click it here I get url signature mismatch.

R275. He does with that smile. They would make a cute couple.

R278 It's "yuzuuzu"

R279 Yes they would, although language wise it would be a bit complicated. In any case they have chemistry in all the pictures they took together. This one is iconic. Poor Xinyu's partner. Leaning towards each other while showing their phyten necklaces.

And I love Yuzu's expression in that one which Xinyu took of him. Super candid with an enigmatic Joconde smile.

Glad y'all bitches found some other stud to ship him with.

R280. Thank you! R281. They can get through the language barrier. When love is strong anything is possible! lol

Xinyu is basically Yuzuru's Samwise Gamgee: "'I can't carry the medal for you, but I can carry you.”

So I'm guessing Hanyu is putting the 4A to rest right now to concentrate on 4Lz and 4F? ( sorry if this was brought up already) I don't think we'll be seeing 4A this coming season like he said. Things have changed again. Does anyone here think he can even land a 4A? I don't want to have doubts but I'm trying to be realistic too. I don't know what the impact on the ankle would be for a 4A. I'm thinking big though.

Look at the 3rd panel. Is that Xinyu?

More fodder for you Xinzuru shippers. LOL. Personally don't see it, but it's amusing. Hanyu really gets shipped with everyone, including mascots:

"the fact that xinyu used 灵犀的默契 caught me super offguard bc it’s a very deep phrase right there so let me break it down. 灵犀 (líng xī) is like having 2 hearts being connected or resonating as one, sth like singularity (usually for couples but best friends can use it too)....默契 (mò qì) itself means understanding between (usually 2) people whereby you dont need any words to communicate (hence 默, silent) aka sth like soulmates. A very deep and unexplainable emotional connection."

Lol, is it true that Raf defended calling Eunsoo "the Korean" by saying Korean names are hard? This guy has been on a roll these past few weeks. I want him to get another interview so he can open his mouth.

I have xinyu among my IG friends and he usually likes pics of pretty girls with little clothes on...in some cases with no clothes at all.

Last year Raf did an interview about US Nationals and talking about Wagner, he talked about Karen Chen as "the third girl". I guess that's another difficult name for him...

R289 Raf calls his students by their last names, so her name is literally one syllable and even includes a vowel. He's entertaining and honest but she's 16 and training abroad. I think he should have been more careful in speaking about her to the press.

R290 I don't think any of us think Xinyu is gay. Just a slow news day today so people are fucking around.

Have we heard anything else from the Lim camp/ATS after Raf et al went to bat for Mariah? What about the bullying charges? After causing a ruckus they're just going to quietly retreat? Seems odd.

R277 I avoid American media precisely for this reason...they are so misinformed and arrogant, I can't take more than 5 seconds of it. I haven't been keeping up with CBC even though I'm Canadian, so I didn't know our media is also so fully onboard with the Nathan orgasming; although I am not in the least bit surprised because whatever the USA does, we will follow since we have zero backbone and are suck ups. I don't mind Nathan getting a celebration for his win, but to act like he's the only person who's ever won a gold medal or done figure skating or to make beating Hanyu the event of the century is just so tiring.

Hanyu got the same senseless bump when he burst onto the scene as well. In 2013, he had poor posture, stamina, and barely got 8s in components. Then in Sochi, despite two falls, he was equaling Patrick Chan in PCS and getting 9s. I didn't see anyone complaining about it, though, because they stanned for Hanyu. But now that another upstart is getting the same treatment, you're all yelling bloody murder. So yeah, complain about Nathan, but complain about Hanyu too. His programs are compelling and he is awe-inspiring, but does he objectively deserve 9.50-10.00 in skating skills? in program composition? absolutely not. But of course, since Hanyu is a living legend, one cannot critique him, just like Yuna and Kwan were supposed to be immune from criticism.

Briand is continuing to help out at Champery. Hope this doesn't make Haw/Orser too jelly!!

R295 is the same poster who has been calling Hanyu fans psychofans. Another nutter who belongs on Ignore.

R297 Luckily, I blocked them already so didn't see the pyschofan bit, but it's funny how they continue to post even though pretty much all of us ignore them.

R297 What do you mean "another" nutter. Given that it doesn't appear for me, it's just Daitroll again. Daitroll, who thinks there's credence to the theory that the 3K North Koreans were planted to cheer for V/M, who told someone on the other thread to die because they were slightly complimentary of another dance team (that wasn't P/C), who gets pissy when someone talks about artistry in men's singles skating because they're no Cizeron.

R297 So you think you are grown up man, who cannot talk with other people who have different opinion?

R299 I understand you have been still crying after some user' posts you saw?

r296 Hallelujah!

But where the fuck are Vasiljevs and Shimada?

R302 In the kitchen baking avocado apple tarts.

So many missing posts, is Daitroll on the roll again?

Eh, the thread goes faster at least.

If I recall correctly Dai was a woman, I am not.

R303 I hope they're making caramel apples for their guest teacher so that he actually teaches them something.

Vintage Stephane. Guys, I think he might be gay.

R304. I think it is. I haven't seen any psychofan posts or anything else from them. Very nice to be able to read and post with adults.

So psychofans believe here some Dai posts here ALL negative messages, changing browsers or something like that. I heard such things couple weeks ago. . Yuu are psycho, really.Boring psychos.

Thanks everyone for the daitroll alert. Let’s keep that up!

So thank you for announcing that EVERY time, we appreciate that! PS Grow up. You dont have us blocked, why psychofans are liars, too? You think people believe you. Now your alter egos coming up with posts like " Thanks fot letting us know!" You sound stupid!

R310 And sorry for asking,inteligent but how many browser I have, according to you? Stupid American.

R296 Yuzu at TCC with no Brian and Ghislain to supervise his training. What could ever go wrong. Just kidding I don't think he went back to Toronto to train but likely to check up on his ankle and have some peace. In the past I thought he had doctors in Japan and only did physio in Toronto but if he went back there to get a certificate not to compete at WTT he probably found a good medical team in Canada.

So I read that Medvedeva wants to do Memoirs of a geisha next season. I'm not one to complain about cultural appropriation but that piece is overdone even by Asian skaters and seriously what more could she bring to it with her nonexistent artistry.

R314 I can already see her open mouth ruining the piece from the beginning lol if you want to show your interest about Japanese culture chose something not American

But we'll possibly have a rare opportunity to witness a jumping quads Geisha (Med has announced that she is planning to bring quad sal and quad toe to the table next season)...

Let's wait and see about those quads

R316 Well, she is right to try and go for it if she is dreaming of going to Beijing given the competition. Just look at Rusnats podium this year. It is going to be really tough for her.

I think it's gonna be rude for every seniors who don't have 3A or quads. But those Russian ladies haven't hit puberty yet so maybe they are going to have it rough soon

I'm really behind on my Hanyu-following. Why did his popped salchow not get any points in the short program?

R319 I don't think it's going to be an issue for someone like Trusova. And anyway even if the quadster girls lose a bit of steam at some point I don't see how Medvedeva could beat a clean Kostornaia who already has 10 times the grace and artistry. And if Jsf stops being stupid and starts pushing their ladies Kihira will also be a serious threat. Honestly I don't like Med but props to her for not giving up.

R321 I agree Kostornaia is already so ahead artistically. I'm not a huge fan of Medvedeva either bad I'm even more skeptical with her future memoirs of a geisha program. But she's been brave this season. On the contrary I like Kihira and I wish she could land that 3A more consistently. Still she was robbed during world. Giving that much GOE to Med for a flutz is rude...

I'm still not over Alina defying all odds against her: puberty, height growth (8cm in less than a year), injury, the pressure of being an OGM and having a streak of bad perfs, huge competition at her home rink etc. and still surviving all this with pure grit and endurance and getting that World gold in such a way. I really like that girl and I hope that Eteri will treat her right from now on. At least now she has nothing to prove anymore.

R320 You can’t have singles or doubles as a solo jump in the short. Any of those will get invalidated.

R323 I think Eteri already changed the way she treated her compared to before. I really respect Alina a lot. I don't always agree with the score even tho she deserves the win. But she went through so much, she's a real fighter!!! When I think about all the hate she got and still gets... 🤢

R323 Zag's grit and tenacity impresses me too. She's joined a small club of female skaters who've won titles pre and post-puberty now. I know her programs aren't always the most pleasing to the eye, but as a former skater I'm wildly impressed by the sheer complexity and intricacy of what she puts on the table. Her Carmen is almost like an ice dance routine with triple-triple combinations.

It's going to be tough for the Russians next season with the 3As turning senior. Zag could follow in Tuk's footsteps and miss the team as defending world champion. I'm skeptical Med can rotate quads with her low jumps but can't blame her for trying given the field. Tuk has the triple axel but not the Russian fed backing. Sofia is fun to watch, but she's likely to be an afterthought unless she can seriously up her technical difficulty. Like Med she has low jumps that will be hard to add additional rotations to.

I find it completely ridiculous that fanyus are now scared of posting videos of his perfs on YouTube because they will get their account suspended. The targeted deleting spree because of that shitty Korean (?) broadcast channel a few months ago was completely over the top and fans should not stand for it but just keep creating multiple accounts and keep reposting things. If you want visibility for the sport you can't just rely on links to Google drive which only a limited number of very motivated people will look for. I hate broadcasting companies so fucking much. If someone is not monetizing their video and it's posted after the program was aired how does that in any way create a lack in revenue for them. If anything by doing that they are actively killing the possible interest from younger generations who anyway don't watch tv anymore, and can expect their ratings to go down. There were dozens of videos of Yuzu's best performances with millions views and now all you can find apart from the Olympics ones are fanmade clips of him sitting on his butt. It's disheartening.

R326 Yes, I was rewatching her Carmen fs at Worlds and the amount of transition and complex steps or elements preceding her jumps is impressive. US stans need to shut the fuck up about Nathan and have a good look at someone who actually is deserving of her huge scores for the most part. Yes she doesn't have the best posture or speed but she is really doing so much throughout the entire program. I also really like her attitude. Super humble, hard working and focused. Doesn't create sns drama in her off time like some others but just wants to spend time with her cute dog and cat. I hope she gets even more of those sweet yens now through all her endorsements.

I'd put my money on Zag retiring after this season.

Alina's skating is peak "Eteribot" - stiff, choppy, mechanical...and she is boring af. But yeah, Nathan is no better.

Most of Russians are boring tbh

R329, I expected Zag to retire after winning too, but from this interview it looks like she's at least considering continuing competing.

"You won gold at the Olympics and at the World Champs: what else do you want in life?

For me the most important thing now is to continue performing. I can also become a two-time, three-time champion...But I am not thinking of any records, I am always saying that, for me the most important thing right now is to skate. I do it for myself and for my supporters, who are following me in different countries. Some came here from Russia to support me, and I appreciate it a lot."

For who asked it earlier...confirmed that there will be a livestream of Egna Spring Trophy this weekend....

they are live-streaming the Novices right now....

Senior Men entries

1 Manuel DRECHSLER AUT

2 Maurizio ZANDRON AUT

3 Alexander LEBEDEV BHI

4 Marinov RADOSLAV BUL

5 Aleksandar ZLATKOV BUL

6 Tom BOUVART FRA

7 Philip WARREN FRA

8 Catalin DIMITRESCU GER

9 Mattia DALLA TORRE ITA

10 Jari KESSLER ITA

11 Davide LEWTON BRAIN MON

12 Michael NEUMAN SVK

13 Daniel ENGELSON SWE

14 Tomas Lorenc GUARINO SABATE SUI

15 Nicola TODESCHINI SUI

16 Serhii SOKOLOV UKR

17 Alexsei KRASNOZHON USA

18 Andrew TORGASHEV USA

Thanks R333, I'll try to catch some of the events this weekend.

Got a link TV live stream? I'm more interested in seeimg how Andrew Torgashev does. He has great skating but hardly lands his jumps, but maybe once he's over his leg or foot injury, he could be a great all around skater.

JDC, we appreciate you sharing the dirt. So, do you know-- Why is Mura wearing a new wedding ring? Was he really divorced already but waiting til after he retired to take off his ring? Is Midori Ito never married? How does Fumie Suguri afford all her fancy travels? Seems like she likes flashing the flesh and acting like a 20 year old on instagram. Has the dirt on Kozuka died down? Are 2nd tier skaters like Rika Hongo and Ryuju Hino retiring? I don't see them getting any better. Will Chris Reed find another partner and keep going for Japan in his 30s? The lack of pairs and ice dancers in Japan is a head scratcher. Like no one is interested at all.

[quote] Got a link TV live stream? I'm more interested in seeimg how Andrew Torgashev does. He has great skating but hardly lands his jumps, but maybe once he's over his leg or foot injury, he could be a great all around skater.

it will be here

Bringing in all that attention and those sweet bucks to the fat cats, yet his fed and the ISU by large still treat him like dirt.

I always wonder what life is like for the retired Reed kids in Japan when I see Cathy Reed doing interviews for the ISU. They grew up fully Americanized but renounced their US citizenships at 18 since Japan doesn't allow dual nationality. What's life like for them in Japan once their skating careers end? They at least speak the language, I suppose.

Only Cathy lives in Japan. She works at Kansai University Skating Club with Hamada and Tamura

Chris is still based in US, I think

I was actually surprised when during the Ice Dance competition, I realized Alison is only 24 years old. I thought she was older...I mean, I remember her when she was Georgian at 2010 Olympics...

On Boyang Jin's thread at GS, there was talk of an incident at one of his practices at Worlds - that was reported in some tweets (link to a Japanese one)

"Several peoople on twitter mentioned they saw someone in the same fs op group as Boyang was firstly shouting to him and then (possibly intentionally) blocking his route." "Didn't mention who… Only Lazukin, Aymoz and Brezina. People on twitter said this individual came rushing towards Boyang, almost bumped into him and then shouted at him close to his ears. Then when it was Boyang's turn, he was always on Boyang's path. Also described Boyang as disturbed towards the end."

* Oh I deleted too much - Only Lazukin, Aymoz and Brezina WERE THERE with Boyang when this happened.

R340 The boy cow completely innocent - not him.

Trusova scored almost 177 for her FS only at a domestic comp few days ago. TES 104, 4T and 4Lz landed. She got insane height on the 4T. But her skating degressed and looked more laboured.

It was degressed before. It is even worse? Doesn't matter. She will ge given huge PCs, anyway. They know that.

R337 The Olympic Twitter and IG account also put up a "who's your favourite figure skater" thing with Zag, Med, Hanyu, Tursy, Chen and Zhou, and you can guess who got a majority of the votes. Vincent Zhou managed to give his answer on IG and said "Definitely not #6 (his own number).

R340 I've seen the Boyang rumors floating around too, but it's odd no one can ID who did it. There were only 3 other guys in the rink.

R335 I'd like to know what's happening with Hino's standup comedy career!

Has the world ever encountered a multi-sport celebrity like this? I guess Michael Jordan played basketball/baseball; Max Aaron did both figure skating and hockey. But has a non-figure skater and a non-field hockey player ever risen to such iconic heights in both sports as Itsuki Uno? What sport will he not conquer next?

345 If Zhou gains some more distance to himself, and doesn't do anything too right-wing, I think hd might grow on me.

r348 Waiting for his swimming accomplishments.

Thanks for your support, R349. We shall grow together, our hearts beating, swelling, bursting as one with the passion and love we receive from the universe, unbound. And then, we die in the ecstasy of our own limitless existence, returned to the ashes from which we ascended, only to rise again.

I still find it funny that after Kose begged for Yuzu to accept their endorsement, he did not even need to shoot an ad. But tbh this is such a winning campaign and his Otonal costume looks like it was made for the brand.

Vincent, have you ever thought about quitting skating to become a poet? Your wisdom and passionate verse will deeply inspire the other 18 year olds at the University of Colorado.

R350 BRAVO, BRAVO!!!! A World medalist figure skater AND a full-time poet of this caliber!!?!? We are too blessed! I think we have our newest figure skating STAR. Move aside, Nathan "I invented quads, go to Yale full-time, beat Yuzuru Hanyu, should have won the Olympics but I fell, and did ballet even though my skating doesn't show it" Chen. We have our newly anointed FS king!

R352 LOLZ. He can't do both? Loser.

R354 Not as loser as the fat cows in my rink who refuse to lift off of ground due to excess poundage.

mariahsk8rbell I’m happy to be back home after two good skates at World Championships and a season that I’m really proud of. I want to thank my family, fans and friends, Rafael and Vera Arutunian and U.S. Figure Skating for their support last week. As I told Eunsoo in Japan, the incident at practice was very unfortunate and I meant absolutely no harm. Our training environment is professional and supportive, and I’ve never changed locker rooms or training times or anything like that. The comments that my friends, family and I received on social media were hateful and disturbing and hopefully this situation raises awareness and causes people to think twice before hitting ‘tweet’ or ‘post.’ I learned a lot about my inner strength last week, and I’m excited to continue to train in the lead up to Beijing in 2022.

R356 Huh, interesting she didn't apologize for cutting Lim and that she said "I've" never changed locker rooms etc. Still possible that Lim was the one who had to change. I guess I find it odd that ATS isn't fighting back and has gone completely silent after everything they alleged.

[quote]The comments that my friends, family and I received on social media were hateful and disturbing and hopefully this situation raises awareness and causes people to think twice before hitting ‘tweet’ or ‘post.’

I wonder if that's why she left the comments open for days, figuring that whatever actually happened people would be appalled by the threats. Nicely played, Mariah.

R356 The thing is that even if it was an accident it resulted in Eunsoo having a hole in her leg and bleeding. The least you can do in such case if you aren't a complete asshole is still apologize for hurting the person even if unintentionally. The fact that she didn't do that shows that she is not a nice person more than the act itself.

I agree. Her behavior that day and since makes me think she's a fucking sociopath. Can't wait till she ages out. I don't like Raf anymore either. So girls shouldn't do quads huh? Should they be put in burqas too? Have their drivers licenses revoked?

I disagree. Bell is udderly blameless here.

The fat of the matter is, herd mentality in skating is sowing discord and hogging spotlight of sport. I refuse to cow tow to these ham-fisted criticisms of my skaters. Everybody, just drink some decalf, okay?

R360 R361 Oh, Raf. Your elephantine skaters (especially of the female variety) wouldn't have to stoop to slashing each other if you just gave them the tools to defy gravity.

R362 Look, I admit, I'm not amoosed. When I go back to California, I will take stock of situation and see what is beef between Lim and Bell. It's all hogwash. Even if Lim go back to Orient, I'm sure they will say good-byes with hogs and kisses and be pen pals.

Olympic channel finally admits it. "Yuzuru Hanyu is their biggest star of the Olympic Channel, not just in Japan"

starting at 21:40

Oh puleaze. Sit down Raf.

R364. Was there any doubt? lol. Whoever runs the Olympic Channel Twitter is a big Fanyu.

R365 And yet, the ISU and JSF are asking, "What is a Yuzuru Hanyu?"

USA's #WTT Figure Entries: Ladies: Mariah Bell, Bradie Tennell Men's: Nathan Chen, Vincent Zhou Ice Dance: Hubbell/Donahue Pairs: Cain/LeDuc

Alternates: Starr Andrews, Jason Brown, Haven Denney/Brandon Frazier, Madison Chock/Evan Bates

i wonder why Starr is the alternate. Did all the higher ranked us ladies decline?

R366. ISU and JSF don't deserve Yuzuru Hanyu. Canada should adopt him.

R370 Then, we can make a man out of him.

R371 More like "We will kiss his ass just like we kissed Patrick's."

Say what you want about Skate Canada, they do seem loyal to their top skaters.

Trankov is stepping down as head coach of Tarasova/Morozov: "On April 15, after WTT the team will be formed for next season. Then it will become clear whether I will enter the coaching staff or not, in what capacity, and who will be in charge..."

R371 Canada surely has plenty of department store sweaters and vests to go around that they can share with Hanyu in that case.

Anyway, Hanyu said his family went to Canada to visit him when he had his ankle injury last time, so him going to Canada doesn't mean they couldn't follow him there, or that his mother didn't go home to Sendai and will follow him later.

R374 I thank you, gentlefraus and gentlemen of DL for your interest in my conjugal visits with Papa Hanyu. Have you ever heard of Skype?

[quote] Then, we can make a man out of him.

Good luck with that. Lord knows I tried...

R376 he’s more man than you’ll ever know.

Please wake me up from this nightmare.

R378 I was so surprised. Yuzu doesn't seem to know I exist, but for this shot, he was like, "Canadian photoshop girl, come here, I need you in this picture, NOW!

R379 Second girl in TCC rink, you already know I am like Nathan-senshu's coach, Raf....I do not remember anything that has to do with females. I only needed the Russian and you in the photo to show I am still the prettiest.

R378 poor guy. I wonder if he even ate at that banquet. Manner hand is everywhere no matter who you are (women) it's interesting how Gabby is suddenly "super close" to him when they never interacted much before. At least Hanyu has his amount of boobs touching for the off season lol

R378 clickbait pictures. She's posting a lot recently but doesn't gain much followers anymore so she knows with hanyu on the pictures it will work better. While Alina listless but gains followers fast. Hanyu doesn't seem confortable surrounded like that.

At the end of the gala last Sunday, Gabby skated from some distance away so she could be holding hands with Yuzuru in that line when they all bow together and skate to say goodbye to the crowd. I don't remember her ever doing anything like that before. Do you think she's jealous of Med? Not that Med is taking selfies much with Hanyu, but... well, anyway, maybe it's just to get herself in photos with him so she can post them and get likes, follows or whatever, as you say R382.

R383 those pictures scream "attention". I don't know what she could be jealous of about Med, being publicly rejected with "I have nothing to do with her". In my opinion she wants a small piece of the spotlight too. I don't even think med and hanyu are even that close.

R378 Russian ubers already got some pts masterpieces for themselves couple days ago. And they are's party-ing to celebrate the photo now lolll

R385 this is so creepy. And to think that med is the kind of person to like these pictures or other shipping account, it's disturbing... No wonder if hanyu keeps is distance the more he can. Imagine going on internet just checking out things and end up seeing creepy stuff like that. I'd love in a hole like he does for sure.

R385 absolutely disgusting

Lol You guys should check those accs for other pts masterpieces. All of them are Med's fans. They also posted on IG, use Hanyu tag. Med checks those accs quite often, they posted IG stories saying Med had seen their stories/ posts. Sometimes it's better not to know Russian so that we don't have to deal with this shit.

r385 That picture was originally with Moris Kvitelashvili. I hadn't noticed how creepily close Kvitelashvili's hands were to her boob.

R388 med fans sure are scary. The fact that she support that is scarier. I don't understand why she does this. I doubt it would give her a way to Hanyu's bed. Poor girl is desperate.

You cunts are really shitting today on Med and because she took a photo with Hanyu? Which some 50 other people and their dog did as well? And why is Daleman taking a photo with him such a sign of attention seeking whereas nobody blinked at the dozen Russian girls, the Chinese guy, Nam, etc? Wtf is wrong with you crowd.

r389 And that hand isn't "creepily close to her boob" - the dude's just tall. How old are you, twelve?

R391 they are just speaking their mind freely, even tho it's not all pretty. It may be because of Medvedeva and hanyu history. You can't blame people to be blunt about their opinions. Block if you don't like maybe?

Entry lists World Team Trophy

LADIES

Chartrand

Daleman

Lecavelier

Meité

Piredda

Rodeghiero

Kihira

Sakamoto

Samodurova

Tuktamysheva

Bell

Tennell

MEN

Messing

Nguyen

Aymoz

Siao Fa

Grassl

Rizzo

Tanaka

Uno

Kolyada

Samarin

Chen

Zhou

PAIRS

Moore Towers/Marinaro

James/Cipres

Della Monica/Guarise

Miura/Ichihashi

Zabiako/Enbert

Cain/LeDuc

DANCE

Weaver/Poje

Papadakis/Cizeron

Guignard/Fabbri

Komatsubara/Koleto

Sinitsina/Katsalapov

Hubbell/Donohue

Team Captains

Poje, Cipres, Fabbri, Komatsubara, Katsalapov, Hubbell

Save this for later everybody. We might see 1-2 announcements like this next season as long as he competes.

Uno's still doing the WTT, I see. You good fraus here complain that JSF treat Hanyu badly but at least he has enough clout to slap his medical certificate on the table and tell them, regretfully, to fuck off, and they will. Apparently Uno can't do that. Because I don't believe for one minute Uno actually wouldn't rather stay at home and heal as there's no gain for him to lose to Chen again.

Alternates at WTT for Japan

Men: Tomono, Shimada

Ladies: Miyahara, Mihara

Pairs and Dance: no-one

Alternates for Canada: Nadeau and Sadovski for Men. Pineault and Mallet for Ladies. Walsh/Michaud in Pairs. Gilles/Poirier and Fournier/Sorensen in Ice Dance

Altenates for Italy: Frangipane, Della Torre in Men, Gennaro in Ladies, Ghilardi/Ambrosini in Pairs and Tessari/Fioretti in ID.

France and Russia didn't bother to enter alternates

No skater has obligation to do WTT, right ? It's strange that medical diagnosis is requested to skip WTT.

R400 because WTT falls under Priority rule

"ISU Members with Skaters who place within the first ten places at any ISU Championships and who continue in the following season to participate in Skating competitions and/or exhibitions as eligible Skaters, shall have the obligation, when entering or authorizing the participation of such Skaters in Skating competitions and/or exhibitions, to give first priority to participation of such Skaters in those ISU Events which are the subject of ISU television and commercial contracts as notified to ISU Members. ISU Members who fail to comply with the above obligation, and Skaters who refuse to participate in such ISU Events, without medical or other justified reasons, shall be subject to sanctions under the relevant Rules."

R398 I'm guessing this is one of the many reasons why they aren't fawning over him like he's their lord and savior like so many are complaining about. He can and actually will tell them to fuck the hell off. And probably not just for things like this. I'm sure Uno's condition would have warranted him a medically-sanctioned withdrawal but I don't think he's in the same position to be able to. Poor guy. But well, debts must be repaid and all. If having a Fed behind your back means shit like this, Hanyu's team may have taken the tougher, but ultimately smarter route. I'm hoping the ladies not being properly backed this year means they are taking the same page off his books.

R398 Uno is actually known for being a bull and doing multiple unnecessary competitions in a year.

With how his outing at Worlds went, I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to do WTT to try to end his year on a good note in Japan. Hanyu went on to do WTT in the 2015 season when Javi won his first world title, despite just returning from an ankle problem and surgery months prior.

Although it's just a silly competition, it is ISU sanctioned and beating Chen there in the SP or FS can help Uno's confidence. Uno ubers were just statisfied when his combined scores at WTT 2017 beat Hanyu's despite that they were teammates and combined totals didn't even matter.

Gabby & Med were ridiculously overdressed for that gala and Yuzu needed to, at minimum, lose that tie.

Lots of skaters like to dress up for the banquet. Who gives a shit? It's the WORLDS banquet, it's the end of the season and it's always better to be overdressed than underdressed.

Some of you are so desperate to find something, anything, to complain about. Some people have war in their countries!

R405 you might need to relax a little. They can say whatever they want. No need to be overdramatic about it and has nothing to do with war in the world. Lose it up dude

SOI Osaka tickets are doing a 50% discount on site, I wonder if they would go for a 75% discount for the Hokkaido shows since their ticket sales is even more grim.

Why are there 2 singles skaters but only one pairs and dance team at WTT?

R392 Thanks a bunch! I didn't realize "I'm just tall" was a legitimate excuse for fingering someone's boob like the world's most hard-working A cup. "She dressed slutty" is hit/miss for me, so it's great to have a reliable standby.

R408 Because Japan wants to win.

R405 Darfur Orphan, I didn't know you were a skating fan! I guess it's a good way to take your mind off things...

R408 because Japan is a big market and the format is done to help them. With 2 dance and pairs, they would be out of contention and risk to be out of the podium

R407 Poor SOI. Japan has some of the best ice shows. I wouldn't want it to tone down and go the watered down US version because they aren't selling.

R407 All this because I cancelled? Sad.

If you think they were over-dressed at the Gala, you have to see how some of them dressed for the draw at Russian Nationals...

R405 Did you know that humans are capable of caring about more than one thing at a time regardless of how significant or frivolous it may be? Also, there's something called joking about...try it some time, it may help relieve the stress you obviously are under embarking on your global mission for world peace by making sure people don't forget the war whilst arguing about evening wear and photo taking.

Brennan has a new article out on Coughlin. Here is he most interesting tidbit: "In the Jackson County (Mo.) medical examiner investigative report, medical investigator Christina Hawkins wrote that Coughlin’s family told her Coughlin “had been depressed because of false allegations."

“The subject is an Olympic figure skater who was currently trying to get a commentator position with the U.S. Olympic Committee,” Hawkins wrote. “He was competing for the position with another person. This person made false allegations, which resulted in the subject getting suspended from all correspondence and activities.” The report does not name the other person.

Any guesses on who the person was?

And Brennan wonders what TV slot they are talking about...

"Coughlin had been a commentator for the now-defunct Ice Network, but that role ended well before his suspension due to potential conflict of interest concerns when he became chair of the International Skating Union’s Athletes Commission and a member of the ISU Single and Pair Skating Technical Committee.

It’s not clear what new television job he might have been seeking, or with whom he might have been competing. There are no figure skating commentating jobs within the USOC itself.

Coughlin’s agent, Tara Modlin, did not reply Thursday afternoon to calls and text messages seeking comment about the Coughlin family’s accusations.

Reached on the phone, Coughlin’s father, Michael Coughlin, said, “I haven’t got much to say to you,” and hung up.

R397. Hope he can rest and try to heal the ankle as much as he can. Perhaps he should skip the ice shows. He needs to put his health first right now.

After Hanyu's successful career AND 2 OGMs he should do whatever the hell he wants. JSF, ISU, and IOC should kiss his ass for what he's done for them already.

Something to dissipate clouds a bit. Hopefully he'll take proper rest this time and let his ankle heal the best it is possible in this situation. So fuck ice shows.

Let's assume SP and FS will have the same ranking (even if it is unlikely) and the outcomes will be

Men

1) USA 2) Japan 3) USA 4) Russia 5) Russia 6) Canada 7) Italy 8) France 9) Japan 10) Italy 11) Canada12) France

Ladies

1) Japan 2) ) Japan 3) Russia 4) USA 5) Russia 6) USA 7) Canada 8) France 9) France 10) Canada 11) Italy 12) Italy

Pairs

1) Russia 2) France 3) Canada 4) Italy 5) USA 6) Japan

Dance

1) France 2) Russia 3) USA 4) Canada 5) Italy 6) Japan

I would get

Russia 58 points

USA 57 points

Japan 52 points

France 38

Canada 37

Italy 29

R421 Yeah, those ice shows can wait. Even the frauiest of fraus seems to understand he needs to rest so while they're crying about wanting him in Sendai, they get he might have to sit it out. If anything, for the ice shows he could very easily just park his ass on the ice holding a Pooh bear for four minutes and I'm sure people would still be fine with that.

The fraus may understand, but we still need our 50%. Whether it's parked on the ice or in the air, he'll be there.

By "he" I meant his ass. That's all you perverts care about anyway.

Not only ass..Belly button too!

The first of 20 new costumes for Uno. Tis tragic. Looks like a toga draped over a gecko.

r427 Jeezus. I know Uno doesn't have the nicest figure, but that costume actually makes him look pudgy. This costume beats out that yellow thing for his ugliest costume

R428 He's not fat! It's just his uterus.

R428 Yes, but can this he-cow fly? I am most concerned about aerodynamics of lard in flight (if that is even possible at his weight, which looks a lot).

R429 It's not uterus, it's full bladder. I would know, I had uterus removed and sometimes still have big tummy like at banquet when overdressed in black dress.

Unless he’s also bearing Hanyu’s child

Hopefully, he just did us all a favor and ate Itsuki.

R415 Med looks like she's dressed for her high school prom--and Orser in that sweater looks like he's one of the chaperones..

R430, this bedazzled elephant can fly like pig with wings.

R427 I like the costume but he should pull the pants over that roll.

Glad that WTT gives skaters an opportunity to shine and do better thsn they did at worlds, like Keegan and Nam. Chartrand never seems to be able to do a clean program. She's lucky Osmond is gone.

As for Egna trophy, anyone know what time in the US they'd be having the men's competition. I only care to see Andrew T and Alexei K. thanks for the link.

Chartrand actually skated a really good long program at Canadian nationals, but even there she got marked for a few URs.

R415 Why were they so overdressed for the draw? Except for Aliev, who missed the memo. LOL. Enbert looked hot in those pictures.

R415 that'd reds was quite too much, even more with her overdone gestures we see on pictures like she is a delicate princess or something lol

R440 that dress

[quote] As for Egna trophy, anyone know what time in the US they'd be having the men's competition. I only care to see Andrew T and Alexei K. thanks for the link.

Senior Men SP starts at 20.15 local time....it is 15.15 in New York

Torgashev is scheduled at 20.42 while Krasnozhon at 21:46

Do you think Ge in the back is coincidence or media whore planning....

r437 You care to see Alexei K? Why?

Hanyu did Continues With Wings while he was still recovering after the Olympics. He could still be a part of ice shows by being the mc or having a fun talk or showing off segment, which I actually found made it more entertaining in between the skates and programs. Bet a Ciontu 2.0 would sell out.

Someone asked JPN women who they want to sleep with. Hanyu came in second, with comments like: "I want to see his naked body because his lines are beautiful." Okay, which one of you whores is the 20 something business owner?

Stay for the part where he talks about people JPN women do NOT want to sleep with. #1 choice was an actor. Some woman said: "I can't. Biologically." LMAO

R446 Yuta! I love his Channel. How come I haven't seen this? Thank you for posting.

Brennan has a follow-up Coughlin article today, this time with comments from the victims' attorney:

Attorney John Manly, who represents more than 200 victims in the Larry Nassar gymnastics sexual abuse case, told USA TODAY Sports Friday afternoon that he also represents three women who were minors when the late figure skater John Coughlin allegedly sexually abused them.

“My clients and I want to make this clear: John Coughlin used his position of trust and power and prominence in figure skating to sexually abuse multiple minors, three of whom I represent,” Manly said in a telephone interview one day after a USA TODAY Sports story reported that Coughlin’s family told a medical investigator that he committed suicide after he was falsely accused of sexual misconduct by someone they said he was competing with for a TV commentating job.

“His family can create any narrative they want to create,” Manly said, “but U.S. Figure Skating knows the truth, and for them to allow a story to circulate that a false accusation led to Mr. Coughlin’s decision to take his own life is despicable. It’s a mixture of denial, ignorance and in some instances, malice.”

---

Asked if he was planning legal action on behalf of his clients, whom he did not name, Manly said, “My clients are going to pursue justice so this never happens to another little girl again."

R448 This is the first time I've heard someone go on record to say the abuse involved "little girl[s]" and not just minors. Also that there are more than three victims. Hopefully, the truth with out soon if they've hired a lawyer.

r448 good! Hope they finally tell their side of the story. Maybe USFS will be smarter than US gymnastics and be proactive in finding out the truth and changing their culture.

r446 thank goodness he didn't quote a 40 or 50 yo woman- the antis would be all over that as creepy- although you know the middle aged women LOVE him

I've never seen Hanyu wear his HR monitor outside of practice, but he wore it for the gala performance.

Or maybe, he's just fat.

Well, shit. Some fraus with magnifying glasses apparently spotted Yuzu on the ice at TCC in Lesser Javi's IG stories. That motherfucker. He better not be doing anything reckless.

R453 Christ Almighty, how many times must we go over this? He's not fat, it's his uterus.

R452 What a porker. How he can face himself in mirror, I do not know.

r446 I wonder how many women were polled. I'm not sure if I'm more surprised by Hanyu being #2 or Johnny Depp being #5

R457 I feel like I need a full course of antibiotics just to look at Johnny Depp right now.

r452 r455 is he an impregnated alien?

Fess up, which one of you psychos are harassing Med. She's having none of it! I hope she follows up with some boudoir pics featuring a UA shirt thrown carelessly on the floor, just to mess with you.

R452. I've only seen it in practice. Maybe because of his asthma?

R461 No, is because I have taken his breath away. Jealous?

R454 Did someone inspect the ig story to see if Mama H is there too or is she still in Sendai getting laid? DL needs to know this.

R460 She is the only psycho. Couldn't handle that Alina's instagram was growing so much faster than her so as usual had to ship herself with Yuzu and then pretend she is harassed by antis by picking one negative comment out of thousands of her rabid shippers calling her queen to create a bit of drama. I used to only find her annoying but more and more I actually find her scary with how fake and manipulative she seems to be.

R463 Mama Hanyu should stay in Sendai and take care of her marital duties and leave Yuzu with me his adoptive papa bear.

Speaking of bears and weapons of psychological warfare...

Chill, guys. Hanyu is sleeping with Raya.

R467 Shut up, minor Javi. Because of your attention whoring ways every one will have seen Yuzu back on the ice at TCC and question why the fuck he is not resting.

R464 I second that! Any sane person would brush it off or ask to stop shipping but not her. She is very desperate for attention. And as you pointed out Alina does nothing on her Instagram and gains followers faster than she does even with her TCC picture. She's the scariest of all!

I come home to this every night. Jealous, bitches?

R470 What I love so much is that they took the time to dub that video with Seimei.

r470 for such a scrawny guy, he has a freakish amount of muscle definition in his shoulders

R469 I don't care what Med does off the ice; it's what she does on the ice that I can't stand. No natural talent whatsoever.

R469 Yeah, she always does this shit. For instance she could reply to that girl that Yuzu is her friend and she has a right to take a picture with him but no, systematically she will respond in a way that is ambiguous, like in that radio interview in Russia a few months ago. That's super creepy given how straightforward in his rebuttal Yuzu himself was last year.

In other news can you believe that Yuzu is even getting some hate from his Japanese antis for going back to Toronto so fast after Worlds and staying only one week in Japan. According to them he should stay and get treatment in the national health centre for athletes and if he doesn't it means he has something to hide. Can you imagine being hated and harassed constantly in your country so you spend less and less time there but then your haters become butthurt because they can't reach you. When will Canada adopt him already.

R473 never had talent, never will. Next season FP is going to be a delight... Russia only needed a new champion when they decided to overcome her generously from her first year in senior.

Jesus fuck, you fraus are totally psycho.

The worst thing that I don't believe any of you are 12, but this is shit that belongs to one direction fandom. The hysteria and outrage and everything worst piled on a girl who happened to be in contact with the boy that sets your heart aflutter. Ugly, attention whore, overdressed, badly dressed, should say something, shouldn't say anything, should say something different, desperate, no talent, stay away from him, etc, ad nauseam.

Grow the fuck up.

R476 Hello Med defender, I was wondering when you were gonna show up. All is well, the balance of the world and this thread is restored. Whatever shall we do without your excellent moral compass.

R476 Thanks, "grow fuck up" troll, but I take from here. Wanted to share another picture of me and Yuzuru in room where we make animal love. What is English word I'm looking for...it meaning I have something you want. Oh yes, I remember - Jealous?

R476 You forgot "fat." How can you forget "fat"?

R476 You are the one who needs to chill. I would call you white knight but you are obviously a frau like everyone else here. As for Yuzu I could care less which girl or boy he will fuck or marry. I find him gorgeous but there is nothing sexual about it, even with his beautiful bubble butt. I just always had a bad vibe about Med even before she moved to Toronto. Obviously I don't know her personally but what she projects of herself leads me to believe she is quite fake especially in comparison to more natural and drama free people around her. And I feel that about her even when she does her PR with her Bulgarian twink friend or poses with Mr Ge. Maybe one day I'll be proved wrong but until now I haven't seen much to think otherwise.

R452 no one mentioned how beautiful our Sakura fairly looks ... even with the enlarged uterus

R477 when are u gonna realize you sound like jealous bitches bullying a 19y old girl. No one believes med has access to that ethereal figure r470. If she wants to Instagram her crush, it’s not the end of the world.

AND you all wish you could look like her in that black dress. Just admit it, she’s looks good!!!!

R481 yes, her enlarged uterus looks ravishing.

[quote]AND you all wish you could look like her in that black dress. Just admit it, she’s looks good!!!!

*Chuckles* You are right - when I see fatty sausage stuffed in spanx casing, I too think it look good. But not good enough to fly, sadly.

R481 isn’t an enlarged uterus highly valued in Japan for its reproductive abilities? I hear Japanese men view it as a premium.

Oh and posting in a anonymous thread ain't 'bullying', it's not like she hangs around here. Nobody says Hanyu is getting sexually harassed here so.

R483 I just got enlightened as to why you hate the pooh bears so damn much, Raf. It's because they are fatties yet flying all around the ice, admit it.

Most bullying is done anonymously. Agreed, she’s too famous to hang out at DL, unlike us old fraus

I was bullied.

If you haven’t already and have a twitter account. Tweet with this

#LoveYuzuruFromAllOverTheWorld

His worldwide fandom is finally getting some recognition.

Shut up. I barely touched your leg. Besides, Raf doesn't even know your name. And really, neither do I.

R490 was for you, Korean, R488

I would never go and leave hate on a skater's social media or in any visible public place online but we are on an obscure forum which most people under 30 don't even know exists, so I feel like I'm having tea with a bunch of old fraus and gays and can speak my mind here. I thought that was the whole concept of the DL but maybe I was wrong.

from a comment on fsuniverse

"This is "sweet cakes" compared to what is posted about skaters on datalounge. com, and the language that is used"

R488 Stop with lies, porky bulgogi. I would never allow bullying at rink. R490 Thank you, cow bell.

R492. I agree with you. Everyone can speak their minds, even the moralists.

R489 You can leave a get-well message for Hanyu on the Olympic Channel IG stories. Get to it, fraus!!! You've got a few hours left to fanyu to your hearts content to Hanyu's self-proclaimed bff, the Olympic Channel.

r492 Sure, everybody can speak their minds but if they sound like psychos they'll be called psychos.

R493 Loving that reputation.

No one posted about Eric and Javi's date in the streets of Osaka today. You disappoint me, DL. I'm sure Luis feels reassured that Javi is only Eric's number 2.

R493 Surely they are talking about the other thread. We are always kind and mature here.

I like the "you're all psychos" poster! And I'm sure I was called one at some point (unjustly, I'm sure). Where's JDC? Wahhhh.

Jumping back to the crux. Starting to wonder if the bitchy rumors about Med back when she was with Eteri that was mentioned on an old thread here true.

R502 Well,at least Hanyu can have some peace and quiet at TCC for the time being without the Med/Ge tag team putzing around the rink.

R499 No one gives a shit here about that broke and aging pass-around bottom.

Med started Ge campaign again ? Pick a negative comt from like 283748 comments and reply to it to make people believe she is harassed by anti but acted like a classy queen ? I feel sorry for Zag, she's harassed everyday by not only antis but also her coach, TAT and co and other big names of Russian FS but she's just silent and does her job. She just blocks disturbing comts on her SNS. I can't stand her skating but at least her attitude gain some respect from me.

[R499]Cue cringey photo of Javi and his Spanish non-skater/non-celebrity girlfriend in 3, 2, 1...

Being Javi’s favorite human girl (because Effie the cat will always be his favorite girl) must be exhausting, especially if she’s never been in a spotlight. Miki was able to handle it because she’s no stranger to drama (thanks, JDC, for the deeper dive!). Regarding Javi’s current girl, is tapping that glorious ass on the reg worth the Insta skater silliness and AO3 weirdness (including being written into fic - by her real name - as an obstacle to Yuzuvier’s happily ever after)?

And most importantly, what does she think about the state of his facial hair? Because right now, he’s exceeded the snacktastic amount of scruff and has a creepy stache and anemic rest-of-goatee.

And how is Raya still training at TCC? Family money, or a rich Canadian boyfriend? Or has Spanish fed been funding him (and - for a while - Sonia) to be there? I thought they barely gave support to Fernández to train abroad, and he was the superior talent by far. (Is Fernández still in debt from all his years away from Spain? Living in Toronto - and before that, Bergen County, NJ - isn’t cheap.)

R506 Yup, you called it...he just put up a "straight" photo on IG with a cringy caption to match.

. Med is weird. I understand she is 19 but seriously she is acting like a 12 year old. I then look at zagitova who is younger than Med. Med needs to grow up. I was ok with her skating before I realized what a weirdo she was.

R493 Fun fact about the poster who made that comment on FSUniverse - someone back in thread 15 cut and pasted one of her posts on FSU; then, someone else chimed in to say she is a "crazy bitch" and "certifiable." Other things might have been said as well. I don't think the language we use to we talk about skaters is the only thing she's miffed about.

R509 She obviously loves it here and lurks since she admitted to knowing we have filthy-ass mouths. Also how could she have known about the shit that was written about her without having to regularly come here and read through all our posts? She was just jealous she couldn't join in on the fun and talk about how slutty Hanyu can be.

I missed a lot while getting a life!! Here is one of the few place we can talk about whatever we want without being moderate or else, let us have that R476 :) no one is bullying her. Not like we leave hate comments on her Instagram R502 what was the rumor about? R508sure she doesn't look all mature anymore. Imo Med is wrecking for too much attention, can't blame a 19yo girl living with social medias for that. But her behaviour is quite despicable if you ask me. I'm glad she's not on trend in Japan anymore. (No one recognise her in the street anyway) her instastories are kinda creepy too lately. Boasting about her new lipstick from fan and bitching on the next video she wants attention. I thinks he has more and more difficulties to hide her true nature after acting all "cute and nice" for years. R481 why speaking freely about our opinion always ends up with the " you're jealous blablabla"? There's nothing to be jealous about, I personally feel good in my shoes. Having an opinion and criticism isn't related to jealousy or maybe you have issues with yourself is you can relate those things together.(no hate here)

Never say I don't do anything for you.

Here, have some queeny Hanyu teaching girls how to pose. Then look at the second pic and knock yourselves out.

R512 how surprising to see Ge behind... He's the worst

R512 Umm Hanyu, Shiyue Wang and Masaru's friend ?

R512 Bastard! You're setting us up.

R512 Hanyu seems pretty comfortable with Wang Shiyue, even in the first pic, unlike when he was sandwiched between Gabs and Med....I guess having Xinyu around certainly helps.

Don't look at my necklace!

R517 what's wrong with her necklace? Isn't it a M and a cross?

R517 don't look at my necklace but look at my boobs :D

If she wants to hide the necklace why doesn't she take it off before shooting a video...??

Lovely DL peoples, here is boudoir shot I promising you. When last petal on rose falls, I am ready for deflowering by Yuzuru. We will make beautiful little media whore babies with more followers than desperate Plushenko brat.

R516 Shushhh. He is comfortable because there is no tension. When he is next to me, passion is white hot. That is why he stand so far away and often with person between us - love burns, and not in way where you have to take pills every few months for itchy warts, like Eteri Georgievna.

Don't know what this necklace is tho

R518 My necklace says HM. I found it in bargain bin at H&M. I showed to Yuzuru and said, is fate, no? I bought same one for him and he gave me sweetest smile. But for some reason, he keeps forgetting it in cafeteria trash. My Yuzuru has so much on mind, I think, like whether is okay to make sweet love to training mate. My dearest is always thinking for my reputation.

All joking aside, Med does seem high maintenance and needy though. Orser already confirmed she monopolized all his time in the summer to the detriment of other skaters and it sounded like he had to literally walk her through everything as if she didn't know a damn thing. I'd understand if she was really young and hadn't had much experience, but we're talking a Russian Eteri skater who already medalled at the Olympics...why did she need to be led like a child through how to train? Am I missing something?

One part of her necklace is definitely a cross and the other who knows...photos never clearly show it. I'm with R519...she just wanted her tits on display. Or else the necklace says, "I love Yuzu" or "I'm carrying Yuzu's child" or whatever, I really don't know.

R524 she was too used to be the main attraction and focus at Sambo and in Russia that she had a hard time being the newbie surrounded by other talents lol too needy she is of course. Sometimes it seems she needs everything to revolve around her and when it's not the case anymore she does something creepy to make the headline again.

R516 I think it's because they have known each other for a long time. Same way he is comfortable around Team Japan girls. He used to be like that with Med as well but then she had to go full creepy stalker, so I understand the robotic over hands he pulls on almost every one nowadays. Defense mechanism arising from trauma.

R512 Ge is such a creep, seriously.

R527 He used to be comfortable around girls. It's until around 2016 he started to do hand manner. I think after romantic rumors he was more careful when being around girls. It is gettting worse to the point that he pulls it on everyone nowadays.

And who can be comfortable around people who were rumored to have gone to Canada to fuck with you ? Not to say that he hasn't been aware of her creepy Russian ubers for whom a normal 2- shot is enough to visualise him fucking with her, share it on SNS and welcomed by other fans, media and by their fav.

R528 I don't remember seeing pics of him touching her waist or anything but I'm not a shipper so that detail could have slipped without notice for me lol Maybe he realised a bit late how she feeds the rumors or answers very ambiguously. He may have come across pretty dirty stuff on the internet too, who knows... The older she got the creepier she got so he could possibly try not to feed any rumor when he has nothing to do with her as he said last year ( he light have broke her heart that day lol)

R528 R529 I'm an old person about stuff like that but he might have felt scared of her coming this hard on him during the past few years.

Guys he doesn't swing that way and that is the reason why he isn't confortable with someone having a crush on him 😏

R528 Yeah, he started doing it with men as well, even pulled it with Javi. Actually on most of the pictures with guys, he stands closer to them than with women but his hand doesn't touch their back either. It's freaking sad that he thinks he needs to put a physical wall with people because of crazy ass bitches. I just read a Japanese fan comment on instagram lamenting that he is standing too close to Shiyue in this picture. Like really, you get another photo of him queening it up and the only thing you take away from it is that his hips are somehow touching a human being of the vagina variety. With fans like that who needs antis.

He used to be comfortable around girls till he tried it with me. I tell you.

Anyway props to Xinyu/Shiyue for making him feel comfortable every time they meet and letting him be the princess he always wants to be.

R532 It is how he stands, it has nothing with whether he is close to them or not. He usually leans on one leg when taking photo.

R531 Exactly.

Does anyone have an idea what the white box he was holding in the R532 pic could be? I think I saw him holding it on other pictures he took during the banquet.

R532 I just clicked on that and saw the other picture with attention whore Misha Ge standing between them with his tongue out. Will he never go away?

R538 Probably never unfortunately. Dude is very persistent. Shiyue mentions in her post that he passed behind them just as they were taking the 2nd picture (meaning he was not supposed to be there). Yep, complete coincidence and nothing to do with him being the world biggest attention whore. Poor Yuzu probably did not even realize the creep was behind him.

R537 I don't know. It could be a predent he received or something. Looks like a jewel box.

R539 he has no shame. Here I thought he would call damn after the incident on his Instagram and all, but no. He's clinging onto Yuzu like his life depends on it. What a whore

R540 You are a whore.

R541 Well, Hello there, Misha or should I say Dai troll. Did you forget to take your meds again.

I think you should take pills.

R541 that's admirable to see some still defend an obvious creep like him.

I dont defend anyone, loser. Why you are calling someone a whore?

R545 ouch I wasn't the one calling him whore ;) didn't mean I think much of him. If you have issues with any message here you're welcome to leave ;)

How could I know it? If you weren't R542 , dont talk back to me. Especially if you know shit.

R540 Ge is annoyingly parasitic. If Orser knows what's good for his rink and skaters, he would forbid him from setting foot within a five hundred kilometre radius of Toronto. Agreed, R534, props to Shiyue and Xinyu for letting Hanyu live his best life and be the queen he is. Also, how did we lose our way here at DL? Here, let me point you in the right direction.

What a troll, let's just leave it here.

Ge likely will see what we are talking about him here,on DL guyssss ! He once liked a post complaining him being too loud about his collab with Med by searching his name on Twitter !!! I would be surprised if he doesn't google himself and find this place !!!

R550 I hope he does. I encourage him to read each and every post about himself, not just once but multiple times. He needs to hear it, then cease and desist his creeptastic behavior.

You are not better then Misha. You are stalkers

R551 This. I hope he visits because the folks on twiter and insta are fucking clueless when it comes to his bullshit. He needs to hear it from somewhere and DL is that place.

R551 right?! Maybe he isn't even aware of his behaviour!

R553 I'm always under the impression that on twitter or Instagram even GS people are biased and far from objective

I stay off of DL for one day and come back to about 150 new posts, 100-ish of which are just about shitting on everything Med does. You guys are fucking disturbed. Apparently she should never post anything, for the rest of her life, because no matter what it is you twist it into something nefarious. Y'all are just as obsessed as those Korean psychos.

I thought Javi's photo with his gf's cleavage on full display was far more gross. We get it already.

R540. Both Ge and Med are trying to cling to Hanyu. Very disturbing. The good thing is I believe Hanyu realizes this. I do think Hanyu saw or got word of what those two were doing last year. It probably made him upset and I do not think he is not close to either of them anymore.

R548. Ah Thank you for that beautiful ass pic!

R555 Oh look the morale brigade is back. You obviously cannot count to 100 if you believe that's the number of posts about her in this thread. And people have a right to complain about her and Misha's general creepiness. No one is calling for someone to hurt their dog, just calling them attention whores which they are. As for Javi, someone here already predicted after the pictures of his little date with Eric that he would post a super mushy photo with his girlfriend as a 'no homo' follow up. It's become a bit boring with how predictable he is with those things.

R555 Same. I think we have a bunch of new posters. And Daitroll is running amok because I'm missing a bunch of posts. Don't mind a little Med bashing but you all have been circle jerking around the same biscuit for 100 + posts now. Where's the "you're fucking psychos" poster when we need him?

R557 You are most welcome! We must always remember the important things in life, like ass. R554 I don't go much on GS, but I can report that on PH, they are currently debating music choices for Hanyu's programs in the upcoming season, and there is some consternation about someone's suggestion for Queen's "Death on Two Legs" due to the fact the song contains the following (very salacious) lyrics: "misguided old mule" and "now you can kiss my ass goodbye". R555 R559 I didn't know you guys were the designated DL police. So what would you like to talk about then, sweets?

I wonder whether Yuzuru would be first in a poll 'Celebreties you want to sleep with', if the respondents were not female but male. He is like a dream twink to me, seriously. His androgyny is absolutely sinful and he knows how to use it so well...

R561 I think the tall Korean boy in this video wouldn't mind a closer encounter with our favourite twink.

Talking about new programs, I care more about choreo than music, I'd like him to work with other choreographers Benoit, Lambiel,...I admit Origin is disappointing and kind of a mess to me and I started to get bored of what Bourne does for Yuzuru.

R563 I want him to try other people too, but I think it's unlikely if he's going to focus on getting more quads. Benoit for sure. I don't like Lambiel as a choreographer. What are some of the good Lambiel programs? I can't really think of any.

I want him to skate to more Japanese music. I dream for another masterpiece like Seimei.

R563 I disagree. Origin is great. The only formula I would change is the Ina Bauer -> hydroblade -> weird (but very difficult to do) entry into the final spin. The rest I really like. And personally I want him to keep working with both Shae and Jeffrey. They both get him and also let him have space for his own ideas while choreographing and it's obvious he adores them and reciprocally. Hopefully Jeffrey proposes something extra gay to Yuzu for next season unless he wishes to keep Otonal. That piece suits him well after all.

I want him to drop both otonal and origin and move on afresh. Sick of having to hear about/from Plush and Johnny.

R567 Totally agree. Those bitches gave him bad luck.

R567 I agree. No more tribute programs. I like Otonal better of the two, could never get into Origin personally, but I want something new. That being said, I don't think he should move on to new choreographers though. I think Bourne and Buttle are fine. As R566 said he is used to working with them, and they understand his vision and what he wants in a program. We'll see, I guess. Hanyu is still an enigma as ever.

R567 He will probably drop both programs anyway as he is very superstitious and they were tributes.

R564 I just gave some names with whom he can consider to work. I'm not impressed with what Lambiel did for his students either ( I like Deniss FS 2017-2018 season tho). I agree that he likely will keep at least one of those two if he needs programs that he's similar with so that he can focus on quads.

R566 Well, maybe Origin isn't to my taste. Since POTO 2014, Origin is the first program which failed to hide his weakness.

R559 Delusional idiot. You have to have multiple posters blocked, coz i have posted 2 or 3posts here since last saturday .I find it hilarious that you are jealous of that boring mom lover. Med troll was right- you re buch of jealous idiots.

R571 That's a good point. To me, Origin just didn't seem to come easily to him...it was like he was fighting the choreography every step of the way. Funnily enough, I didn't like POTO either, mainly because I'm sick of the music. I remember reading that he picked POTO himself and Orser didn't get it, and Hanyu had to really convince him before he got the green light. Then again, Orser still doesn't seem to get anything that Hanyu does lol.

I'd really like something Japanese too, with wild spirit like Seimei. Hanyu is artistic but I like a more fierce program for him. At least with Seimei the character suited him well imo

R573 agreed on Origin. And I didn't like POTO either. Partly I dislike the music, partly the choreo was generic imo. But compared to D.W programs, it was better 10000× times and somehow it was choreographed fine enough to hide his weakness back then ( mostly posture issues)

R574 Seimei was a good balance of artistic and fierce, which is why it was successful. Can he do another program equally as good without people comparing it to Seimei though? Someone made an interesting point that if he picked Japanese music again, it might appeal more to the judges since they're so old-fashioned and stuck in a narrow mindset of what they expect figure skating to look like, that it would make sense in their heads that a Japanese guy is skating to Japanese music. I mean, he's had a good run with his Japanese programs in the past. But, and this is a big but, would the judges ACTUALLY be moved to close the PCS gap between him and Nathan, all things being equal technically?

I'd love another program like Hope & Legacy which was by far the most personal and intimate one he has done so far but unfortunately judges are (old tasteless farts) biased against soft and ethereal when it comes to men fs and he got rather low PCs for it. But still I think any program that showcases his lightness and delicacy is great because that's something so unique to him. This impression that he is half flying half floating above the ice. Seimei was great because it had both delicacy and drama but finding such a good piece isn't easy.

R577 I hope Hanyu never ditches his skating style for the judges, no matter what scores he wants to get from them. And I want more sparkles, glitter and frills, or I hope he camps it up even higher a la Purple Pants of Sin. He needs to just continually shove it down their throats. I still love seeing the juxtaposition of his Otonal blue sparkly costume with the minimally styled but maximally boring Vera Wang shit that Nathan is forced to wear.

I would add sexy to the list of adjectives describing Seimei. Those cross rolls he did in the step sequence are still the most seductive thing I've seen in my life.

R578 can’t agree more

R579 Those cross rolls were OGM worthy.

If Hanyu changed his style in costume I'd be shocked. His style is what sets him apart from the others and probably the judges hold it against him. But it is who he is. I can't picture him wearing a Nathan like costume and I bet he can't either. I think Hanyu also likes the attention he gets from those costumes. They're beautiful.

New thread......

R578 Let's hope he won't. Yuzu with frills and pearls and bling isn't really Yuzu. I love how at each gala all the guys are dressed so boringly and then you have Yuzu looking like a pretty swan or flower.

R579 These cross rolls are still my favourite parts out of any fs program I have watched in the past 20 years. No other man could pull this off because you need his androgyny to pull off such a seduction move on the judges.

R584 I meant 'without' not with, obviously.

Just because we're on the subject of cross rolls, I had to find this.

Ah the backward cross rolls. Love them too.

R582 The thing is, even if Hanyu were to wear a Nathan-esque costume, he'd still look good in it. It'd just be like his UA practice gear, which as we know, does everything for his body.

Hanyu is such eye candy. It’s his anime proportions and some “it” factor with his personality. Nathan, Shoma, Misha, Jason- and others just don’t have that addictive physique. It’s not even all sexual, he’s just like a piece of art....OK, go at it antis.

R588 lol my thoughts exactly. If he were to use something like that while preforming everyone would be too distracted looking at his ass, waist, and pecs to remember the program.

What's going on with Shoma? Why are his stans freaking out all over Twitter. I like him but not enough to look into it.

R591 All I know is he had a new costume on at the ice ahow today

R592 Thank you. Oh good I'm glad it's a positive thing then (for them).

I don't understand Nathan's costumes. Is he trying to look "manly" in that black and white shit?

R594 In answer to your question---Vera Wang: “These are not show costumes, but sleek, modern interpretations of athleticism.”; Nathan Chen: "I genuinely dislike sequins." (from a NYT article titled, "Why Nathan Chen Shuns Sequins"). Take what you will from this. I just read it as BORING.

I genuinely dislike Nathan Chen's skating. It's as boring as his costumes.

As boring as the costumes are, what bothers me more than anything is that people think Nathan has the charisma and personality to pull off something so simple. If they want to argue that Hanyu's too feminine and over-the-top in his rhinestoned costumes, then I refer them to his practice wear which is pared down to basically a Nathan costume, and STILL all eyes are on him.

Eteri about Yuzu: “He is like a beautiful girl on ice, with soft lines. Even though his arms look somehow carelessly thrown, but it looks so natural when he does it."

R597 My thoughts exactly. The problem now is that people are starting to "see" Nathan's charisma and artistry, a certain sophistication and transcendence that wasn't there before because of his "worldliness." I have no problem with Nathan. He is an impressive jumper. But it is such bs that the media and fans are so eager to prop him up that they are "seeing" a skater that simply isn't there (yet). You prop someone up artificially like this and they have no incentive to improve their imperfections.

R598 When was this? I don't think she would have any good things to say about him now.

Torgashev

pop

fall

combo done

66.97 (31.47 TES 36.5 PCS)

Dimitrescu is currently in the lead with 67.80 (37.3 TES, 30.5 PCS)

R598 Ah, the unifying princess power of Yuzuru Hanyu, bringing together the world's figure skating coaches, from Eteri "do quads, bitches" Tutburidze to Raf "I can't make fat cows fly" Arutunian.

I can't remember which interview it was R599 - sorry - I think in the past year.

Bye!