British Royal Family Gossip: Part 31

Dreamboat Andy hopes all of you gays, and fraus can try to keep things sophisticated in this thread...

Because this was posted at the very end of Part 30, I am carrying it here to continue the discussion regarding this "alleged" sex tape floating in the ether.

The Smegma part starts around the 16:23 mark:

The Pope’s native language is Spanish.

R3 He spoke italian with Bruce Jenner look a like tranny melania

The sudden appearance of the DM article of Charles the Rock to Meghan and Harry and telling them to "soldier on" is interesting. The programme by all odds was taped before the sex tape story broke and if you read the DM article carefully about the upcoming "Charles at 70" programme that John Bridcut made and is giving quotes about, it's all Bridcut's "insgihts", there is not a single real quote from Charles - and just repeats second-hand PR bullshit like how delighted Meghan was that Charles volunteered to stand in for her father.

It doesn't sound to me as if the papers pushing the sex tape story have anything but hearsay to go on, so those who are hoping this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back are doomed to disappointment. It will add to the "unsuitability" narrative, but that's about it.

To R598 in the previous thread. Yes, I have been watching the royals a long time. And yes, I knew Sophie Wessex delivered both her children at Frimley Park. My point was that Frimley Park is, as an NHS hospital tends to be, so basic that I had a hard time seeing Sophie there (and yes, I know she was there!), let alone Meghan (or myself, for that matter!). But to be honest, any care I've been given there has been good. But the facilities themselves seem very basic and utilitarian. It's also incredibly crowded.

I just think the sex tape route is the wrong road to go down. The BRF stans on tumblr are salivating, but Harry is a degenerate. You can't string the woman up for something when the guy is just as bad only it was all bought and buried. The only impact a sex tape would have, IMO, is if it was done during her engagement to Harry and the guy isn't Harry. But IMO when it comes to sex scandals (among adults), the damage is short lived.

Markle's CV is all lies. If she could play guitar it would be on insta - I'm surprised she didn't pose with a guitar. She lived in Argentina for a short time - to her that = "I speak Spanish" just like living with a chef made her a cook.

What I'd like to know is there anything she actually likes to DO that isn't some sort of junk food, quick fix exercise that involves all the camera lenses on her or one-upping a perceived rival? Anything she enjoys in her so-called real life, which I'm beginning to think she doesn't actually have. All I've got is she probably enjoys smoking ganja, drinking wine, and recreates along those lines. Wondering if she has actual interests.

I think it depends on what she is doing in the sex tape, as to how much impact it will have. I don't think it's about the sex tape itself, it's just another brick in the bad news wall for her. It's not going to destroy her reputation but it's another thing that will make people question and judge her. Like the constantly buying or being seen to buy expensive ill fitting clothing, not following protocol, always being able to find a camera. Now we if the rumours are true we can add in eating arse some guys arse on a sex tape.

I think for a lot of older people, that itself is going to seem pretty horrifying, R8.

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Charles and Andrew will be particularly please to see Sir Christopher again, after all their hard work to make the Queen get rid of her Principal Private Secretary.

Great

[quote]I'm surprised she didn't pose with a guitar.

She did. There’s just one tiny problem...

I don't believe the Charles "soldier on" story. The premise there is Harry and Meghan are doing nothing wrong, just being battered by criticism as they diligently try to carry out their job.

They are behaving like assholes and hypocrites, and are being called out. There is no martyrdom or victimhood here at all, as Charles is doubtless aware. This is of their own creation. They just thought they'd win people over instead of turning people off. Both of them overestimate their appeal. Harry, I can understand as he's been given the benefit of the doubt for years. Meghan overestimating her own appeal is a little questionable considering her hustle vis a vis her actual accomplishments in show business. She didn't get her first legit job until she was in her late 20s, it required little acting and she got it via her then-husband. But she seems to think she has star power and powers of persuasion.

Skippy was always rumored to be the one familiar with her in a Biblical sense, discussed on a prior thread. My guess would be from her work at Soho.

Index of a royal duchess married to the second son:

Yesterday's having your toes sucked is today's eating out some random dude's ass.

Frogmore Cottage looks really long and narrow.

Also curtsy of THE SUN..

R11, what was that about?

Sorry if posted earlier but read this and decide who wins and who loses, in the long term.

"The big business of The Firm requires that it operates as a diplomatic, rational machine. What is not tolerated, far less understood, is emotion."

Who gets to be the one to tell Queenie exactly what Smegz is doing in the (alleged) video?

I demand, demmit, to be a fly on THAT wall!

A blowjob is one thing, but rimming?

Why is R23 greyed out?

So does anybody think the two famewhores will pass up the opportunity to name a baby girl 'Diana'? Shit, they'll probably still call it Diana if it's a boy.

Any news on the vid, guesses as to who the photog she is rimming is? The timing matches up for the end of one relationship. The timing with Brexit and the baby is quite something. If she had conducted herself differently, I might have more sympathy. But the trashy appearance, the sexpot flashing and groping while working, it all is of a piece. She did not change as that other foreign royal did upon entering royal life and leaving the risque stuff behind. The crossed bare legs, dress riding up is not a look that merits taxpayer funding.

I'd be surprised if they let her lick an envelope after this.

The torontopaper1 twitter and the comments is WILD.

How was the video of the top of her head if she was rimming the photographer? Are you guys sure it wasn’t just a blowjob?

It was described as rimming, maybe camera above and behind on a tripod? Rimming is far more salacious. Imagine the Queen may be unfamiliar with the practice.

Interesting the rumors about his friends being acquainted with her in her yachting days recently popped up again. The 24/7 pr onslaught seems to have died down to a trickle. Hmm.

I think she actually thought she could win against very powerful forces and institutions. What a moron.

The twitter account keeps referring to treason. Wonder what that is all about? Mentions Ron too, perhaps the owner of Soho?

Even Doria seems to be distancing. I do not think she is actually pregnant, still wonder how that is gonna play out. There are rumors that the move in to FC has been pushed back considerably, maybe the narrative arc will be a quick one? It was thought that they would keep here there post divorce, maybe that is no longer the plan?

Their move to Frogmore may be delayed.

Whether it's her or not, the Meghan sex tape is offered for sale online.

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The gossip always is that Meghan puts out bitchy stories about Kate. Must say this one about Kate falling out with the friend does have the ring of a catty tale someone has told.

Yet MM had her baby shower friends telling the media that she never stops, even in New York she was on the phone to painters, decorators, overseeing the finishing touches. Obviously she pushed that narrative, but I doubt any real work has even begun. I really doubt that Frogmore is where she is heading for.

Charlotte's name includes both Diana and Elizabeth.

The DM doesn't want to be left behind, as I think The SUN ran the "terrible falling out" story about Kate and the Marquess of Chomondeley (for you Yanks, that's pronounced "Chumley"). So the DM picked it up and, in sensing "fatigue" re Meghan, switched to Kate and gave it huge headlines - because as we all know, the extremely discreet and close-mouthed Kate let a remark like "Phase her out" to her husband fall from her lips where someone working for the DM could hear her.

As if someone would ever risk getting offside with The future king and queen....oh wait...

R35 - Well, they can't do Meghan ALL the time and it probably helps their agenda to be able to point to stories like this one and say, "See? We rag on Kate, too!" As for Meghan leaking it, if she hasn't learned anything by now about pissing off the BP PR office, she's hopeless.

R36 - You have to take everything about Sparkle with a grain of salt, but I think it's a stretch to say she's not headed for Frogmore Cottage when it was formally annnounced by Kensington Palace. Buckingham Palace tersely announced that yes, the renvoations would be paid for out of the Sovereign Grant and an accounting of the costs would be published "in due course".

So the move to Frogmore isn't a rumour from the tabs, it was a formal announcement by the BRF.

And her behaviour in connection with the renovations is consistent with everything else we've heard about those unfortunate enough to work for the Duchess for any length of time. And as her budget is by normal standards nearly limitless, she doesn't have to worry about the cost of changing her mind and deciding to go with greyish-white rather than whitish-grey in the drawing room.

Do any of you remember the scene in Mr Blandings Builds His Dream House where Myrna Loy is explaining to the painters the specific shades of each colour in each room that she wants? And after she leaves, one of the painters says to the other, "Did you get all that?" And the other painter says, "Yeah. Red, green, blue, and yellow."

Andrew posts a Happy Birthday to his daughter Eugenie!

Dancing Queen.

R43 - Look at that tiny little waist. Our Lilibet was quite charming and appealing, if not a great beauty.

Harry is supposedly trying to mend some friendships.

Duchess ME keeps busy behind the scenes.

Prince Philip is suffering from dementia, hence his retirement from public life.

His recent ride in the car was nothing more than him making a runner - hoping in a car and driving off. Thank goodness the other driver was killed and getting injured in never a pleasant experience for anyone. Very sad really - they will need to keep him on a shorter leash to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

R47 - the other driver was killed? You mean WASN'T killed, right?

A fair amount of comments btl in the DM's unintentionally comical "Kate and the Rural Rival" article share the opinion of a poster upthread that this is the work of Meghan's new PR Chief, Sarah Latham. If Meghan's team did leak this, the trail wouldn't be hard for BP's communications office, to which the Sussex chief has to report, to pick it up, and it would backfire.

The story does smell of "reaching" - Kate and William keep a low profile in Norfolk, and the only "rural rival" in the area is the Queen - on whose estate the Cambridges have their country home.

I don‘t mind Meghan‘s pimped CV of accomplishments - all actors do that. Horseriding means „can film a scene sitting on a very obedient film horse“, guitarplaying means „can film a scene playing a tune after practicing it“ Actors‘ CVs are not about actually being good at sth but about being able to come off as being good at sth.

Re. Marchioness of Cholmondeley, it's interesting that somebody leaked this story but conspicuously absent is the reason for the tension between the two women.

So who would leak it and why? There's no upside for the Marchioness of Cholmondeley to do it. Even the stupidest person knows royalty wins if it comes down to a choice of sides. Could be a person within the circle who wants to damage the relationship between the Cambridges and the Cholmondeleys. Coukd be Megantoinette, but how would she know? Who'd tell her? Who'd know to tell her? Harry? Let's assume that at best the tension between the couples is fiction but at worst Prince William is leery of his new sister in law but relations between the brothers are still cordial enough. It might come up in conversation but then why would Megantoinette leak it (if she's not at Kate's throat after all?) It potentially harms her within the ranks. If there is a frostiness between the couples now, would William tell Harry something like that, knowing he's so dim and whipped he'd tell Megantoinette?

The only thing that suggests to me there might be something to it, is I recall reading a column back when Kate and William returned to Kensington Palace full time (ostensibly because George was starting school full time) that had a wink, wink, nudge nudge reference to the louche Turnip Toffs of Norfolk. It basically said there was a lot of bed hopping and Kate may have taken a dim view. I think, at heart and despite everything, her outlook on life if not middle class (because they can bonk around like crazy too) is grounded in her own family model, which while arguably socially ambitious is also pretty dull... there's never been a whisper the Middletons marriage is anything but conventional and all the stories suggest it was a very happy family. So trappings of royalty notwithstanding, that's probably what Kate is building and if the local aristos are swinging from the chandeliers and into beds not normally their own, Kate may have decided London was the better environment. But even if all that is true, it doesn't necessarily connect to a fall out with the Marchioness of Cholmondeley.

If there's anything to this story, for once, I don't suspect Megantoinette... I don't know how she'd know even that little... I like the idea that somebody within the Anmer circle leaked it to weaken the position of the Marchioness of Cholmondeley within the Cambridges' circle.

I'm laughing at how many comments on the Daily Mail article contain the word " salad ". although the majority are being deleted. Cheeky monkeys.

Can someone explain to me please the background on Meagain's sex tape? I was travelling for work all week and can't back read 10 million posts!

Interesting, R51. I was curious to read the Marchioness is a former model, and the husband is quite a bit older. They look very jet-set, certainly not country tweeds to my (admittedly know-nothing) eyes. Don't look like Kate's sort of people.

R51 - The reason there is no mention of the reason for the "fallout" is that this is the DM switching gears for a day or so. I doubt this is MeAgain's work, either. Mysterious are the ways of the British tabloids, whose logic serves only one agenda: theirs.

Kate and William were ordered back to London to make KP their base, rather than Anmer Hall, when Philip began to fail, Charles began to approach 70, the Queen passed 90, and it became clear that the Cambridge's reprieve from a busy schedule to found a stable family life was over and they had to start raising their profile in the capital and looking toward stepping up to Prince and Princess of Wales. Left to their own devices, they'd have kept Anmer Hall as their home base for a few more years.

R53 - Briefly, the German tabloid, BILD, broke a story a few days ago that a sex tape of Meghan existed, that a "sex-tape broker" (who knew?!) had received a call from a Canadian woman claiming to have a tape showing Meghan performing a sex act on a man, who had forwarded it to the broker via her phone, after which the broker said he was sure it was Meghan - the woman trying to sell it (presumably) said the woman performing in it was named Meghan and was "about to marry a prince". The broker, whose specialty is making such tapes "disappear", did so with this tape, although it isn't clear whether the woman who called him still has the original. The story was picked up by the broader German press, mentioned on German television, and made it to papers in The Netherlands.

The British tabloids have studiously avoided any mention of the tape, which says to me that either they know the story doesn't have enough legs to run with, or that they feel it's too hot to handle safely.

I also would't be surprised if the "Kate and her Rural Rival" story is a lame attempt to deflect attention from the sextape story. Don't think for a moment BP is above throwing Kate under the bus if it is frantic enough about something this potentially damaging.

At any rate, no one knows where the tape is, whether it still exists, has ever seen so much as a frame of it, and whether it's real or Memorex. That said, CDAN and that viper who runs Torontopaper are crowing "I Told You This Tape Existed Long Ago And You Didn't Believe Me!"

I dislike Meghan myself but whoever is running that Torontopaper blog about her makes my contempt look tame, and makes the pathetic Skippy look mild by comparison. And, claims to know a great deal about Meghan with a certain authority that makes me wonder . . .

Given the name of the paper, and the fact that the BILD interview with the tape broker states that the owner of the tape was a Canadian woman . . . if that owner and the onwer of the Torontopaper blog could be, er, connected?

And there you are. Believe what you will.

R47 - At least 50% of seniors 85 and over suffer from dementia. It's a devastating condition, I watched my father die with it, and in a strong willed man in otherwise decent health it is even worse, as they cannot understand why they are being locked up and deprived of independence. Getting the car keys away from seniors after a lifetime of driving is incredibly difficult.

Watching a loved one go down with Alzheimer's or ordinary dementia is like watching turpentine being slowly poured over a portrait until the person in it disappears.

We may suppose the BRF extremely fortunate that the Queen is amongst the other 50% of elders who did not succumb to it. If her long-time spouse and by all accounts deeply loved husband is disappearing into the fog of dementia, my hat is off to the Queen for her ability to hide her pain and go on carrying out events.

Why don't schools' career advisers ever tell you about jobs like sex tape broker? It sounds really interesting.

R58 - Not to mention lucrative in this day and age.

I'm still on the fence about this particular tape. I don't put it past Meghan at all, her "moral compass" seems to be, shall we say, flexible; but I cannot imagine that if she knew this existed, she wouldn't have been forthright about it so that MI6 or whoever the Palace turns to for help with this kind of thing could find it and get rid of it.

That doesn't preclude someone having gotten hands on it before MI6 or whomever got there - after all, they can get it off the Internet but not do much about people having downloaded it before they got there.

Still, it seems like a bit of a smoke and mirrors job to me.

R58 😂😂😂

Other jobs career advisers don't give enough information about:

Sloane Ranger

Patron of Random Charity

Plaque Unveiler

Humanitarian/ Fauxmanitarian

Beauty Blogger

Instagram Model

Social Media Influencer

Royal Uterus

There's a curriculum begging to be written.

[quote] there's never been a whisper the Middletons marriage is anything but conventional and all the stories suggest it was a very happy family.

I don't usually read these boring wall-of-text posts but I happened to read this one. There have been plenty of rumors about Kate's father. I can't remember if it was a prostitute or an affair.

Well, that's specific, R61. Thanks for your brief contribution.

R62 - I have R61 blocked so it would be a troll posting random bullshit.

Either you @R61 post evidence or fuck off with your lies.

On the link at R42, the pic on the pony is so sweet.

Thx for the tip, R63.

Regarding the name of baby. I don't think it'll be Diana, too obvious. No, I think Meghan will try to one-up everyone by choosing a SJW name that'll earn her brownie points with the dumber more shallower Millennials, so think Beyonce/ Chrissy Teigen crowd. Expect a name like Sojourner after Sojourner Truth or Harriet after Harriet Tubman, or perhaps a suffragette like Emmeline Pankhurst. It'll be the Meghan's opportunity to set herself apart as a "humanitarian", she'll have her little walking reminder of what a selfless, woke person she is. In a roundabout way the naming of baby will be all about her, no surprise.

lol I guess it's one rule for kate gossip and another for meg gossip, No one likes hypocrites and double standards.

Where is the sex tape? And how come priyanka says they are still friends? Thought you said meghan ghosted her. Did doria ever move to London? What about that Oprah interview? Where is her arrest record btw (public info)? Where is the evidence meghan is the one who told the dm to print the story about kate WHEN THEY THEMSELVES SAID IT WAS A FRIEND OF KATE'S WHO WAS THE SOURCE...? Crickets.

I have a hard time imagining Megantoinette won't go for "classy". Her own name is pretty conventional. Her role models, Mattel Mulroney and Mrs. Ed Clooney, have spawn with conventional names.

But when she publishes her first post divorce memoir no doubt she'll whine about what she wanted to call it, but the courtiers crushed her...

Who are you talking to R67? And why are you yelling?

Any additional info about the Frogmores unable to get into their removated palace? Like nobody ever lived somewhere while renovations were going on.

They are currently living in Marlborough house and will be living there until the renovations are finished.

Here's but one "whisper" of an affair. If you lot were the experts you claim to be, you'd be able to distinguish random trolling from gossip. There were more detailed reports a few years ago.

Regarding the sex tape, a poster apparently spotted Harry at Bild offices while he was in Berlin. Which is only ten minutes away from Soho House Berlin, where he was photographed.

Mad? I just asked a question.

Not sure if this article has been posted

Marlorough House is the perfect location for the Harkles. Lord Geidt and Mr. Fletcher can keep a close eye on them, in case they need anything. Smile.

r20 I don't know the full story but apparently Charles and Andrew conspired to get the Queen to remove her principal private secretary. This is the real reason Samantha Cohen was leaving, she was so outraged about what went on (She was the Deputy Principal Private Secretary I believe) that she had given in her resignation. The Queen had asked her to show MM the ropes, so she has stayed on longer than she had originally planned.

A story about the power struggle.

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Thank you R78. Looks like Charles got smacked in rhe face, something he deserves for condoning the neverending Harkle drama.

I don't think Charles is condoning the never-ending Harkle drama. I think he is taking the long view. (I'm not arguing he's going about it entirely the right way, I think he and the Queen are entirely too conflict avoidant when it comes to family... they seem to prefer to let things run as long as possible and then clean up messes - and only when absolutely forced to - rather than confront problems head on. Henry the VII, they ain't.)

So my theory is Charles knows this is a horrible mess and he know it ends in divorce and acrimony, so he's trying not to be the focus of hard feelings from either his son or his son's future ex-wife. They probably want to be able to claim they did all they could and make the media and the internet the bad guy when the marriage fails. And as ever they may be hoping the get lucky and somehow it all chugs along despite everything. The Queen urged endless cooling off periods during the implosion of Charles and Diana. Didn't work, and theoretically prolonged the agony, but they just aren't by nature inclined to rip off the bandaid.

I go back to my post at R21 (even if it was mine.) It explains why Meagain is doomed to fail and fated for divorce. She hasn't got the stuff to make it work. They're waiting it out. She's like a sliver. If you don't have the constitution to dig it out, you just wait til the system expels it naturally.

I believe Meghan and Harry will choose a name that ingratiates them in some way to Charles, as he is next in line and they certainly knows who butters their bread.

R80 Christopher Geidt is returning as a Lord-in-Waiting. Giving the queen's former private secretary a peerage is fairly standard practice. The queen made Geidt's predecessor, Robin Janvrin, a Lord-in-Waiting after his retirement. Charteris, Moore and Fellowes were all given life peerage when they retired from royal service. The DM is spinning it to look conspiratorial but it's business as usual.

As to Geidt, if the source is correct, "[p]art of his role will be working closely with Meghan at the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust, following the Queen making the duchess a vice-president of the organisation earlier this month."

R85 His appointment to the Queen's Commonwealth Trust predates Meghan and Harry's relationship and it doesn't place him over the Sussexes overall in BP. It's means they serve on a board of directors together. Does anyone think she's actually doing work as VP of the Queen's Trust? The Lord-in-Waiting peerage mainly involves Geidt greeting visiting heads of state on behalf of the monarch. This looks like a classic DM ploy: sex-up a story to drive internet traffic. Clickbait.

Nah I don't think Charles has a good bone in his body. He, Harry and meghan know what they are doing. Charles hates will and Kate and building an alliance against them. Anything that hurts william, Charles will take part in.

Hmm R81, I get the disciplined long game, but "allowing" a $500 000 baby shower in another country was a huge mistake, and some kind of turning point. Look for PR to tell us that bringing back someone hated by Chaz and trusted by the Queen to be her permanent eyes and ears means nothing. MeMe recoiled from him as he greeted her at the conference..

This is real life, R87, not Survivor.

[quote]Hmm [R81], I get the disciplined long game, but "allowing" a $500 000 baby shower in another country was a huge mistake, and some kind of turning point.

Pretty sure that took everybody by surprise. And note the new babysitter, Sir Christopher, has emerged subsequently. She may not realize it but I'd bet there's a discrete plot afoot to rein her in.

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R58 Meghan's dear friend and castmate has some very nasty home made porn out there. They have a very similar look and appear to be close. Just a bit of information for your files.

R92 Duly noted thank you. I shall get on with building my portfolio

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Don’t understand why it’s up to QE or Charles to deal with Meghan/ Harry. Harry has already shown himself to be unwilling to accept anything less than idol fawning over Meghan. Even the suggestion of not rushing into marriage by William to Harry was ignored by the latter and in fact caused rift between them.

Now you have stories like how Meghan is annoyed by Harry, over simple shit like Harry’s hanit of turning of lights whenever room isn’t being used. Shit like this is why you live with a person or at very least spend long periods of time with someone before you rush into marriage and immediately start having children.

At end of the day, Harry is an adult, a petulant and dumb one but still an adult. He has the stubborn personality that probably doubles down on what he perceives as someone telling him what to do. Perhaps the RF knows this and is taking a hands off approach to let him drown in misery, knowing that he’d eventually realize his mistakes.

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[quote]Don’t understand why it’s up to QE or Charles to deal with Meghan/ Harry.

Simple: hierarchy. It's the basis of the whole racket.

I am laughing at the suggestion that the BRF is playing hands off, waiting for Harry to "realize his mistakes." He is never going to realize his mistakes, EVER, and they of all people know it.

Not sure if this is welcome information, or new information or if it’s relevant, but I’m going to mention it anyway - regarding Frogmore Cottage. At the very end of a pregnancy, many women get a “nesting instinct” and spend every moment of their burst of energy cleaning and getting things ready for the baby. They’ll do crazy shit like lining the cabinets with new contact paper or reorganizing closets.

I wonder if the “design changes” are part of that.

For those who were wondering about the camera angle and practicality of the position in the sex tape, I came across this ..............."He ( the sex tape broker) later even describes that the photographer is on his back, his legs up (you know, the “changing one´s diapers” position) and that´s how she´s apparently going for it. "

R94 Thanks for the link. I love Savannah in every photo I see of her. Great kid, I‘m hoping she will grow into my favourite royal (adjacent).

R100 that made me cackle.

R51 nobody has to tell Meghan shit - she just makes the entire thing up.

It is not actually being offered, R32, the former porn purveyor says he deleted his copy. That may change as others had/have copies.

Harry is never going to realize his mistakes.

Even the rumored apology call to his friend Tom Inskip doesn't take responsibility. It's all excuses (tight numbers).

How do you know what was discussed in the call, R105? Did Harry tell you or did Tom take the call on speaker while you listened in?

Oh no, I have followed the royals for a long time and have a degree in internet psychology... unlike the fraus at Celebitchy and Royal Dish, I am the real thing.

R51, I thought Michael was said to be having an affair? He did not accompany the family on the latest holiday either. Perhaps, knowing what her mother may be going through, Kate was especially sensitive to the topic?

Are we really supposed to believe that Meghan now considers and treats Charles like the father she never had, and that he in turn reciprocates her "love"? I can see him being flattered and taken with the grifter to a degree, but his personality, shaped in no small part by his upbringing and status, doesn't lend itself to trust in relative outsiders. One's personality doesn't change when one is past age of 30, and certainly Charles at age 70 isn't going to be bedazzled by no-name grifting actress. So this can only be bullshit put out by Meghan's PR in a desperate move. At this point Meghan has rubbed so many in RF the wrong way that Charles is the only one left who might be an ally.

But why would he align himself with unpopular Meghan? I could see his ego being stroked and wanting to be seen as modern by association with woke Meghan. But now that she's pretty much toxic, what does he have to gain from aligning himself with Harry/ Meghan and in essence being at odds at William/ Kate?

R48 You a correct - wasn't killed. My bad.

The posts are sinister. Tick tock indeed. Mentions of Epstein too. Remember when tick tock used to be posted on his threads? Maybe it is JM playing the long game?

Chaz is not aligned with MeMe R109, that is all crap PR, and as was noted, that Soldier On BS would have been said before Markle's rimming employment was revealed. No matter how you look at it, he has failed to properly shepherd the details of his youngest son's marriage, to the point where BP has its foot on their necks. Party time is over.

R100 That's not what the broker said. The video is at R2. One of the other people in the video jokes about the whole diaper thing and he said it's nothing like that. It's a blow job, hence the picture of the top of the woman's head.

Speculation ahead

IF the video is real I wonder how the BRF will spin it. The big question would be, was it meant for home use or was it commercial ie porn? If it's a personal tape, it's a crime to release the footage without her consent in some parts of the world. The footage would live forever but she could recover from it like Jennifer Lawrence. If she made porn, she's a feminist in control of her sexuality or she was victimized by a exploitative system.

For what it's worth, I don't think there's a Meghan sextape. I think the porn buyer is name dropping to promote his business.

An article about the alleged sex tape that is not in German is linked.

So are we to infer that rooms at Soho, or at least some of them, have cameras? Is Soho Intl a honeypot a la the ones run by Epstein? If so, who is MM, really?

The gay guy she was tight with then there was a falling out, he is also friends with Markus - anyone remember the back story there? Could he be TP1 account? Vibe is a woman to me, not native English speaker maybe? Dunno, whole think could be faked. But there were predictions...

I'd begun to wonder if Phlip had dementia when he retired to the Sandringham estate and not to Windsor which is supposedly the Queen's favorite residence. Not only in faraway Norfolk, but not even to the main house. It seems like they want to keep him safely tucked away from prying eyes. It also explained how it wasn't determined until the morning of the ceremony whether he would attend Eugenie's wedding. My mom had dementia and toward the latter stages some mornings she'd bound out of bed full of energy and others, she'd stay in bed awake for a couple of hours. She said her head felt fuzzy. Sandringham's a far better choice than Windsor. I imagine the traffic in and around the Windsor estate is heavy. My mom had her car wanderlust and the keys had to be taken away. A few years after that she developed the need to bolt the house. Mark my words, if the staff doesn't watch him like a hawk he will slip them and get lost somewhere on the estate. Better Sandringham than Windsor.

Such a shame about Gawker.

Ron owns Soho. Wonder if that is where the alleged tape was created?

Sandringham is privately owned, with an active farm and a stud. He managed all the private properties in his day and if he's still got his faculties (and he must or they wouldn't have allowed him to drive around in public), he's probably far more occupied at Sandringham than Windsor, which is Crown Estate, isn't it?

The trajectory of the press since March began is striking.

The daily tidal wave of placed stories about MeAgain and the RF has slowed to a trickle. Hmmm.

[quote]Not only in faraway Norfolk, but not even to the main house.

Sandringham is open to tourists much of the year, as a source of revenue and for tax benefits as a result. It would be impractical to stay there. They often occupy lesser houses on the estates. The Queen will stay at Craigowan Lodge on Balmoral briefly because she arrives before the castle closes to tourists.

Surely Camilla says WTF? to Charles about Meagain's bullshit? If she thought Diana was a "ridiculous creature" you have to figure she'd take the same view of Megantoinette's varying displays of woke?

[quote] He managed all the private properties in his day and if he's still got his faculties (and he must or they wouldn't have allowed him to drive around in public),

Are you kidding? Taking car keys away from and elderly person with dementia is one of the most difficult things for a caretaker to do. There's a lot a emotional lability and hostility in early stages and sufferers can be very obsessive and fixated. Imagine how much harder it would be to do it to someone who has never likely been told "no" in decades. After I took my mom's keys away, she had daily screaming fits demanding her car keys. She could go on forever. This happened for a couple of years. She would find old rings of keys in the house and sit in the car for hours trying to start it with them. My greatest fear was that she would find the set of car keys that she had taken from my father many years prior when he had problems. One day she did. Luckily I intercepted her on the way out to the car and had to physically wrestle them away from her. Otherwise, she'd have taken off.

It is like a movie, so much baseball signalling and intrigue.

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Sweetpete is another interesting Twitter to follow

Never mind, was basing R124 on comments on TP1 blog with interesting docs attached. SP twitter seems to have a lot of QAnon stuff. But one linked doc he posted on TP1 is financials, which we all have been wondering about.

Well, no doubt your experience mirrors exactly what is going with Prince Philip.

If there's anything else happened in your life that will explain what is going on in the Royal Family, please share. I, for one, hate suspense.

Don't be a willful asshole, R126. It's unattractive when folks like you speak out of complete ignorance. Dealing with new dementia and Alzheimer's diagnoses and all of the fallout that it presents families is a situation that experienced by thousands yearly, not just me sweetie. Sorry if the situation sounds all too familiar to many of us and raises red flags. I wouldn't wish dealing with these diseases on my worst enemy, but I would love for you to experience for a month or so. It might make you less of an asshole if you don't kill your charge first.

Not quite R113. The gentleman to the right of Kevin Blatt is "Too Short" the rapper. He is the only one downplaying Kevin's revelation with, "He's got a picture of a brunette sucking a dick fromma top of her head." Kevin Blatt clarifies that Too Short only saw one still photo and not all that Kevin witnessed. Blatt also emphatically nods to the graphic anal/oral references made by the host to include the "changing the diaper" comment. Lots of talking over one another but Blatt does definitively say, "I'm here to tell you--that I believe, in my opinion--this is Meghan."

R127 No one is being an asshole about your family's situation or that faced by thousands. R126 is pointing out that your experience has no bearing on what is happening with Prince Phillip. R115 wonders aloud if Phillip has dementia and runs headlong into saying yes without a lick of evidence.

None of the witnesses to the recent accident reported any dementia-like behaviour from Phillip. He was momentarily disoriented because of the accident but nothing beyond that. The woman who wanted the personal apology would have said something if she had seen or heard anything. She sounded like she was looking for a payout. The police spoke to Phillip after the accident and did not take away his licence. He voluntarily surrendered it several days later, likely as a result of the public outcry against his seemingly cavalier attitude to seatbelt laws.

I agree there’s nothing to prove he has dementia. Some people don’t get it, some do. His retirement from public life at 97 is not an unusual move - he’s almost a hundred years old, why can’t he just retire? It’s got to be a conspiracy to hide an illness?

I agree with most of the posts above re Charles being caught between a rock and a hard place re the Harkles. Harry is his son, Charles has to put the very best face possible on the couple's marriage and not make a single sign that he knows there's Trouble in Paradise, especially with a child on the way. He has to leave it to Harry to make any next decisions, or keep silent if Harry makes no decisions. Charles bears particular responsibility as Harry's parent - and he's been through most of the shit Meghan is pulling with Diana.

The rest of the family will do their usual code-signalling and be a tad more overt about reinging Meghan in: refusing permission for a Sussex "court" and forcing their PR to report to the BP PR office; kicking them out of London to boring Windsor with only a couple of rooms at BP like the other minor royals for overnighters in London; withholding an HRH from the baby; bringing back Geidt.

The DM is still milking the ridiculous Kate-Marquess of Chomondeley story, a story so utterly without "juice" that the DM"s strain is showing. I'm convinced the DM is trying to deflect attention from the sex tape story because they can't run it. But several posters btl have mentioned it, so it is streaking through the UK via other channels.

R128 Correction noted. Blatt nods to the diaper comment. I wouldn't say "emphatically" but that's nit-picking. I didn't hear anyone say anything about anal.

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The torontopaper tweets appear to be written by someone intimately acquainted with MeAgain, like an ex-lover or ex-husband.

R134 - It does sound like it occasionally, but that voice can be faked, and some of the posts there sound nearly as hallucinatory as the notorious Skippy's.

I don't think we'll ever know, and the story will burn out as no proof emerges, and the baby is born and the Happy Families Charade recommences.

The TorontoPapers twitter is all insinuation, building off what's already out there. It's time they fish or cut bait.

I guess mainly I am impatient with some people waiting for MM to be "exposed" as some sort of criminal or ho. I don't care. For me, the point is how she is handling the role - she is trashing it. Transparently assuming marrying a royal means SHE's an important royal and insta-A-list, with Harry supporting. And it's also about Harry. I get impatient with anything that makes MM the entire problem and doesn't realize Harry is the same as she is. Harry is the problem. Harry is the problem. Harry is the problem.

The problem with Meghan's attire is not that she forgoes pantyhose, it's that she doesn't wear panties. This also happens to be one reason Charles finds her so fascinating.

Her US taxes should be interesting - all the smoke & mirrors and shell games about clothes - it all has to be accounted for somehow.

I think the TP1 account is trying to tie her to NXIVM.

A former Clinton aide just plead guilty re the the cult, was she linked to the new PR maven?

R138 Go back to tumblr with that tin-hattery

R136 - I fall somewhere between your two points. I agree she is handling the role horribly - she thinks she's free to do as she likes and she isn't - none of them are. Of cousre, she's not a criminal, just narcissistic, hard as nails, and completely fake. But I do think she's a ho - she's been trying to sell herself for a couple of decades, why wouldn't sex be included, especially in the business she chose, where sex is a routine commodity amongst young women willing to do anything to gain some traction? Meghan Markle had little dramatic talent, wasn't a great beauty - looks at her level would have been a dime a dozen in show business . . . sex would have been one of the routine tools in her arsenal.

I'm still on the fence about the tape - but the story arising when it did is a bit striking just as the Duchess is about to turn from Temptress Eve into Mother Mary, as is the DM's extraordinary attempt to keep its readers focussed on that silly toothless story about Kate and her "rural rival". But even if it's tabloid bullshit, the tarnish will stick to Meghan.

It's not feasible that the story hasn't reached Buck House, one can only imagine their face-palming.

About Kate and her rural rival, Sara Latham fixed Blair's narc personality image ( well, she thought she did ) and bizarrely there's a picture of Lady Turnip, whoever she is, in a bikini, with her sister, with Blair. I've not bothered to look up the links, as it's late here and way past my bed time . Mabe someone might be interested. If not, hey ho.

Maybe. Knackered. Good Night.

Charles and Camilla in Cuba, Harry and Meghan in Morocco: the BRF seems to be stoking some really old diplomatic coals. As the UK lurches towards Brexit all trading partnerships need to be explored. Any port in a storm.

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I wonder if Harry and Meghan are considering the name Phillipa - if it's a girl?

Lady Turnip and Lady Melons

Except for the forced part, this twitter is like crack. Wonder if any of it will turn out to be true? The clear suggestion re: the other girl is our very own duch.

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When the marriage fails, it would be due to Harry unable to fulfill Meghan's high expectations. Downgrading from palace to cottage is just the beginning. I don't see Meghan going up on the SJW food chain because, ironically, due to her very status now as member of BRF. SJWs don't like to have at the top someone too posh or of high-status. So I can see a saturation point there too, then she's left without this cultivated persona or platform. This could push her to seek publicity in the trashy celebrity domain which ultimately lands her in trouble with everyone including Harry.

[quote] On average, 14 flights pass within a mile of the house every half hour.

[quote] On one day this week, that included a BA jet, which passed over the roof at 3,000 feet at 1pm. At 1.25pm, a Virgin flight flew over at just 1,800 feet.

The journalist who attached his name to a story that's time and date stamping flights over Frogmore Cottage should probably reevaluate his life, ideally after a bottle of Jameson.

You mean like she did in NY, R149?

[quote] The journalist who attached his name to a story that's time and date stamping flights over Frogmore Cottage should probably reevaluate his life, ideally after a bottle of Jameson.

Or join his kindred spirits in this thread.

I think the point of the details on the Heathrow flights is to give readers an idea of just how noisy it is in that area. Also to give a framework of explanation and justification for the expensive soundproofing that H&M ordered.

Both my parents died of dementia. My mother of vascular, my father of Lewy body. I experienced a total fifteen years of it. You are definitely a superior person. You just know everything.

R154 for the benefit of R127, who no doubt knows it, as he seems to know everything else.

R153 Misses the point entirely.

How many people did he have to piss off to get that shart of an assignment? It's a nonsense gossip piece. Nobody reading it needs date. time airline and elevation. One wonders if the editor sent him to get more details for gravitas. eek

R152 Personally I'm never without 🍷 on DL

In honour of the Wine O'Clock frauen on the thread.

Another oldie but goodie from Gawker.

So William is sleeping with this Rose Norfolk Turnip person? Or is Kate’s dad sleeping with her? Is Prince George sleeping with her?! Or did Sparkles lick her pussy?

Can someone just fucking spit it out please. My head hurts from trying to decipher the British tabloids.

What an unattractive woman. Somebody procure a chin for her, please.

How did this gormless, , weak-chinned, old-looking for her age Rose person get a modeling contract in the first place? She's average looking even in her 20s "modeling" days. Are the standards so low in British modeling industry?

She should have married DL fave Freddie Windsor. Standing next to him makes her look 57% more attractive.

This salad-tossing sex tape rumour is a new low for the BRF. (I would bet everything thing I own that QEll has never heard of rimming and it will take some doing to convince her that it is a thing.)

The 17 year old prostitute with Andrew's arm around her waist does not look like a victim, IMO. Fergie's toe-sucking episode...pfft! Pss Margaret's toyboys on Mustique...a mere bagatelle.

As we say in Blighty - whatever next!

What kind of outfit would Smegz wear to a rim job? Something inappropriate, I'm sure. Wellies, perhaps.

Please, HM has been around for decades. Never heard of rimming? Not likely. Something she wants to think about? Well, no, thank you very much.

My conservative, Republican, born again sister went on and on about it after the release of the Star* Report, much to my surprise and disgust, and that was over 15 years ago.

How curious I couldn't post the above until I made the Starr thing the Star* Report.

Somehow I don't think the Duchess of Exess will ever move into Toad Hall. She'll stall and stall and it will never happen.

Just more money to pay for the taxpayers . Lets get it as expensive as possible . I don’t think 3 million quid will be enough for the Duchess of excess to quench her thirst .

One of the DM comments suggests that in future their speeches should just consist of thanking the tax payers of the UK.

It would be better than the word salads she likes to toss out.

R167, I think you’re right. There’ll be some environmental reason, the paint irritates the baby’s breathing, etc. She doesn’t want to live there. (Neither would I!)

[quote]It would be better than the word salads she likes to toss out.

I see what you did there, and I applaud it.

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Thank you R 171

Wendy Williams throwing shade. She should talk.

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Pushing a pram along the lovely paths of Windsor Park, or frolicking there with your young family, sounds much less appealing when you factor in the constant airplane noise. The "conservatory" has probably been added a something of an indoor patio. I would feel trapped and angry.

^as something

Young Elizabeth with the formidable Queen Mary.

The Queen used to wear some strange hats like these swim cap type numbers.

I love the swim cap hats! One of today's royal ladies should bring the style back.

Photos Beatrice and her father Andrew riding horses at Windsor yesterday.

Zara was competing in the horse trials on her mother's estate. There are also lots of great photos of Anne's granddaughters.

Charles and Camilla take a walk on the beach in Grenada but someone forgot to take off their shoes.

The "swim cap hats" are a hoot. Ya made me laff.

I envy the royals' ability to ride beautiful, well-trained horses whenever the spirit moves them.

Free rent, food, clothes, jewels, crap PR, chaiffeured car, security, $4mil of tenovations, etc., in exchange for about three hours per week growing your shitty brand? Fuck yo anger.

[186] You clearly don't understand how special I am.

R187, just type a capital R with the post number, no spaces.

That will create a hyperlink so people can click and see it.

No need for square brackets, the will not work.

R188 Thank you!

R159 - Deciphering the British tabloids is easy once you figure out that 1) the real story is between the lines, and 2) count up the number of times the word and phrase "reportedly" and "a source close to" appear. In this case, the real story between the lines is an attempt by the DM to get a Big Royal Story out in a lame attemt to eclipse the really big royal story now circulating that even the DM don't dare run about the Meghan Markle sex tape; and given the number of times "reportedly" appears, including a virtual disclaimer toward the end of the article, tell you that this is made up out of whole cloth by the DM.

No one is sleeping with the Marchioness (probably not even her own husband - she's obviously a token wife and probably sleeping with the Polish or Lithuanian or Bulgarian gardener).

The number of times the age differences between the Marchioness and her sister, and their husbands, is also probably the real story.

Social Climbing Bitches is the subtext.

Any experts here on how and where the royals store their clothing and accessories? Is there one central facility for the family for items not currently in use?

Well-said, R57 . My dad died of organic dementia very much like Alzheimers. It is a devastating disease for the patient and the exhausted family. The end was very harrowing.

I was the one who had to tell Dad to hand over his car keys after we had 3 near misses all in one day when he was driving. Thankfully he didn't fight it like Prince Philip.

R183 That's best Camilla has ever looked.

R191 - Re the accessories, it has been stated by a woman who wrote a very beautiful coffee table book about the Queen's jewels that the Queen has a very large standing red leather case for her rubies, a blue one for sapphires, and a green one for her emeralds. No mention of where the pearls were stored.

For the Queen, a Dresser has charge not only of caring for clothing, but of labelling clothing so that the Queen knows when and where each ensemble was worn, including whether the ensemble was chosen for symbolic reasons such a state visit either to honour hosts or guests; I imagine Buck House has plenty of room for storage. She probably has separate sets of clothing for the country, i.e., Windsor, Sandringham, and Balmoral, and doesn't have to carry huge amounts of clothing with her to and from each place.

For lesser royals like Kate and Meghan and Anne, I imagine a similar system is in place, but on a far smaller scale. With 21 rooms in KP, I'm sure even Kate's extensive wardrobe has room for storage. Meghan, of course, with a far smaller five-bedroom home at Frogmore Cottage, will have to, er, be innovative about clothing storage.

R186 - Sing it!

R181 - Since Yuge's wedding the Yorks are suddenly popping up near the Queen with more frequency. Andrew riding with the Queen at Windsor, now Bea, Yuge and Andy doing a formal public engagement together. Wonder if the Queen is starting to realise that she doesn't relish the BRF story becoming entirely about the narcissistic LaCa grifter, and that the public needs to be reminded that HM's blood family is rather more important to her than Meghan, and merit more space.

I am trying to figure out what the basis would are for some aristo to get into a squabble with a member of the Royal Family, let alone one so serious they suffer a social off with their head.

R196, I assume with Prince Philip retiring from public life, Andrew will now be the queen’s escort quite a bit.

(He is her only unmarried son ... for now.)

Savannah Phillips resembles her mother Autumn but Isla Phillips has a look of her own. Even the shape of her face is different from her sister and parents. Genetics is a fascinating subject.

R181’s photo made me scream with laughter. What a terrible photo.

Alright, which one of you bitches said this?

R192 - Harrowing is the word for it, no question. And what else is often forgotten is the attendant economic havoc it can wreak in families because it take so long for the sufferer to die. Most insurance does not pay for the astronomical costs of senior care and modest inheritances in the form of homes and savings disappear into the maw of the eldercare industry; that is in addition to the lost hours of work as other family members confront a choice between working and paying hugely for homecare, or staying home to care for elders themselves and weakening their own economic positions. People can develop Alzheimer's in their sixties and live on for 15 years with it. My own situation was somewhat fortunate in that my father was already in his early eighties so only lasted a few years.

The cost of dementia to families and the economy as more and more people live past 85 is, frankly, a major crisis facing humanity now. So far, every promising treatment or preventive therapy has failed to deliver. Everyone I know who has watched elders go down this way is stockpiling ways in which to be sure their own children don't have to go through this; it is dementia that is really driving the Right to Die movement, of which I am, after watching my father's last year, I am a hearty supporter.

All right, rant over.

First Savannah gave Mia a piggy back, now Isla gets one from her father Peter. Swipe to the last photo where we get a little glipse of Lena Tindall. Zara has kept her second daughter under wrap so far. I've just seen the back of her head.

R201 - Oh, the DM had this up a few days ago, before the sex tape news broke.

Her clothing expenses really are staggering. At some point, when the public expenses reports of the Duchy of Cornwall and the Sovereign Grant appear, if her clothing costs aren't listed, questions will abound.

The comment by garyjanetti was the tagline I was really pushing.

But all this does make one wonder if it's been part and parcel "rope" the BRF has been extending to the salad duchess.

r190, Lol! and Thank you. Your post is a hoot and I learned from it.

In previous thread 30, r 528 wrote : "But I do agree with the fundamental point: Meghan married Harry to become an A-List celebrity and is now finding out that A-list celebrityhood doesn't serve the broader interests of the institution who gave her that status - and to which her child will belong. She doesn't seem to realise that damaging that brand is to damage the very thing that will also give her child its high status."

So apt and astute.

I've never had a reaction to her social climbing. I took it as a given; hardly worth mentioning in its obviousness, that she engaged in a self-inventory: a 36 years old, twice divorced c-list celebrity with not many moves left. Enter Prince Henry. She set her cap on him. And there's not one damn thing wrong with that. Presumably, she didn't hold a gun to his head to propose to her, although from reading the posts of her haters, you'd think so.

What I am surprised by, however, is that, right out of the gate, she made major mistakes. She lacks the sophistication and self-awareness to accurately gauge her stardom and position, and use it to her advantage.

For example, I can't help but wonder how she would be perceived now if she had done what she should have in the first place: remained distant, except at public duties, avoided Show Folk Trash (Amal Clooney, Mulroney) or at least PUBLICLY avoided them, exhibit A that vulgar NY York Shakedown, er, I mean Shower, and, for all that is Holy to the Garments Gods, wore clothing by British designers.

I think, correctly, if she had done all that, right now, we'd being oohing and craving more info about her; she'd be a stah of a particular kind distinct from Kate's.

Instead, her actions, to disastrous effect, have been ,"Fuck'em. The BRF will learn from me, rather than me learning from them. I'll show them!"

Still, I'll stay tuned in. The suspense of seeing if she recalibrates is still there.

R140, it's not that I don't think she didn't sell herself for sex. I think she probably was some kind of yacht girl, or at the very least took money for sex. I just think all of that is a no win and beside the point. For one thing, Harry is as degenerate as it gets. You know he's paid for it. Well, or his friends have - I bet Harry doesn't pay for anything, but he's in there in that world. People kind of wink about Harry and kind of look the other way with Andrew, but if they take a woman who married in and string her up because that part of her past gets exposed complete with video, it'll be a bad look after the first excitement over MM being humiliated and exposed. There will be a LOT of push back from women about double standards in the BRF.

I think with Meghan, her shadiness lies in her being grasping, and her finances. And Harry being in on it with her. Trying use the BRF to outshine the BRF. Trying to leapfrog over everybody else in the family and be the biggest celebrities. Two generations of royals prior to these two tried that and it didn't end well for them (Margaret, and, before Margaret, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor).

Fortunately in the case of Margaret, she had two decent children despite her and their father being monsters.

R206 "Twice-divorced"

Della darling, have you been hanging out on Tumblr?

I think Savannah Phillips is going to be in the Zara role to William's kids. Zara (and her hubby) are obviously close to PW (and probably Harry since he was just made a godfather). Over the past summer and fall Savannah was in public with Prince George - at a wedding, at trouping, and at polo, and I've never seen that George light up and show as much confidence and happiness as he does around her. I think she must have inherited the confidence and snark from her grandma's line of the family (Anne).

r208, No, Doll. You're right. I should have written "divorced".

There was a blind item a few weeks ago on Popbitch that asked which of the queen’s grandchildren makes the quickly-boring joke of unrolling the note being used to hoover up coke and say “hello granny!”. I can think of only one contender.

Very old and widely circulated story about Harry. He did it in public with lots of witnesses.

R190 Thank you for the explanation! Another British friend of mine told me the real reason for all the media spin re Kate, Turnips, Sparkles etc is to distract from Prince Andy and his frolicking on Jeffrey Epstein’s pedo island. You cannot make this shit up. Who the fuck needs scripted TV, when allllll this is edge-seat!

R211 I read somewhere that’s obviously Prince Hot Ginge, but “all of them” fits better. How much blow do Sparkes and Ginger do? They look blasted 100% of the time.

I loathe her and will accept she might have a sex tape (I meant these days who doesn't?) but I think she's got too much ego, and possibly self respect, to resort to any shade of prostitution.

I think Della is right... had she played her hand more intelligently she could have been an absolute star. It's probably too late... she's too associated with expensive self indulgence and woke bullshit like bananagrams now... she actually helped cement Kate as the nice one. Again, she did herself in because she's more ego the brains and probably quite shallow.

I read she's planning her return to a heavy public schedule after six months maternity leave. SIX MONTHS WITHOUT HER! Thank you, God!

Esp at the IG in Toronto.

Important cause but to them a reason to get their freak on.

Along with Markus and Doria...had to close the deal.

What intrigues me is the warning from MM's half-brother to Harry that he should not marry her. It beggars belief that anyone could throw a family member under the bus like that, and he certainly seems like a real dirtbag, but he must have had something in particular in mind when he wrote that.

Smegs white trash brother and sister fascinate me. I want to know what they know! Have they been threatened by MI5/6 to shut the hell up? Wasn’t Doria supposed to have been in jail for most of MM’s childhood, hence the dad having custody? I read that half of the mom’s side have been/are in jail. Why is the dad really in Mexico? This shit is just too good!

Oh and both Smegs and the ginger one are gay, hence all the distractions, moonbumps etc.

Is that a "rainbow flag" shirt Savannah is wearing? Isla has a "Canada" hoodie on. Her mom Autumn is Canadian.

Lady Rose Gilman (née Windsor) is the prettier daughter of the Duke of Gloucester.

Lady Rose on her wedding day.

Rose's husband is kind of dishy. Click for other photos.

Photos of Lady Davina Windsor's wedding to her Maori ex-husband.

Photos of Davina's child and the family with other Royals.

"Meghan, m'dear. We've heard about this new American practice, and were hoping you'd be able to show us how it works. We will be a respectful, rapt audience. Here, into this room......"

What's up with Savannah Phillips' front tooth? It's black.

r207 - Fair point about the double standard backlash - with which, frankly, I might sympathise if she had been a bit less presumptuous about where the sixth in line really stood, and a bit less oblivious to the obligation to do more than show up half a dozen times a month in eye-wateringly expensive clothes, most of which aren't even British made. That's apart from the baby shower in Manhattan and the rest of it. So, I agree - the sex tape wouldn't loom so large if she hadn't already blotted her copybook so lavishly.

That said, the sorry fact remains that most of the public, and even more so, the people who matter in the BRF, are likely to take different attitudes to a male blood son sowing some wild oats in his salad [sic] days, and a divorced third-rate nearly middle-aged American actress who should count herself fortunate to be let in further staining the family's public face.

I doubt that will change any time soon.

Harry strikes me as sufficiently spoiled and shallow to be very annoyed and embarrassed by Meghan’s making him look bad.

I hope she doesn’t expect him to defend her honor when the inevitable family confrontations come down.

The double standard is pretty much a given: the people BORN INTO the Royal Family always get a pass on bad behavior (particularly the MALE members). There is no mercy for those who MARRY INTO this family especially the FEMALES.

"Sowing wild oats" and exchanging sex for personal advantage are entirely different, no matter the gender of parties involved.

If the stories about Harry's friend, said to be Tom Inskip, knowing MM in the context of yachting are true, then Harry is certainly aware of this aspect of MM's life.

R229 - 0h please Prince Andrew got away with far worse. Why? Because he's ROYAL and second because he's MALE. Duh.

Right out the gate the salad duchess was insufferable with her [italic]I'm so special, I'm going to mold the BRF by hook or crook into a reflection of me and my ideas of modernity[/italic] shoved ad nauseum down the public's throats. Contrary to the airs she puts out, she ain't all that. She is no different than the thousands of other hoes desperate for money and celebrity with this alleged sex tape... and that is the irony. Karma is a bitch.

Charles and Camilla attended a church service today.

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The question DL needs answered...

Is she Autumn Harvest, or strictly Once Around the Garden?

R214, Prostitution, as in exchanging sex for cash? Certainly not.

But a little quid pro quo... no money changing hands? Certainly.

So what if she did have a sex tape? I think all of the world knows she was no virgin mother on her wedding day. Yawn

Prostitution, as in exchanging sex for cash? Certainly, starting in college, and throughout the meager acting "career."

R202 I agree with everything you said. My dad died in a nursing home right before his insurance was going to stop paying. The cost of his dementia, plus my mother's own diagnosis of lymphoma, resulted in my mother having to declare bankruptcy. She died a few years after that.

Even though Prince Philip and the Queen have tons of money, it is still incredibly painful watching your loved one suffer from dementia.

Mia Tindall is the prettiest of Princess Anne's granddaughters.

Perhaps it takes Mike Tindall's genes to beat off the dreaded Windsor genes. Time will tell.

Isla looks like her dad.

R183 Charlie if it's a girl!

I have a girlfriend who does yachting. Her glamorous Insta life is a far cry from what actually happens.

No way will she stay gone for 6 months of maternity leave, she's too thirsty. As has been predicted here, there will be photos of her pushing the pram around wherever she currently resides within DAYS of the birth, a week tops. There will be weekly photos of her out and about with her sly grin preening and praming. Also, she'll make sure Haz is photographed with the baby while wearing one of those baby carrier slings with the baby facing forward of course.

I never buy into any story where she has made any "secret" trip anywhere (Lake Como, her mother's house, etc.), no potential photo op will go unconsumed.

What did Andrew get away with, R231? Having sex with a slightly underage prostitute who looked perfectly at ease in his company?

I didn't realize that Ron Burkle owns 60% Soho House. Yuck.

Below is an old article about Soho House LA. They make it so easy to hate them.

I thought that Andy had some questionable financial dealings?

No one in mainstream media would even touch the questions surrounding how Meghan made her living prior to getting longterm, regular paycheck gig as a supporting character on Suits at age 30. Supplementing her income by writing calligraphy or whatever the fuck she calls her style of writing, would not come close to supporting her lifestyle. Yachting would be an option that made sense between those one-off guest spots and low budget movies that accounted for her acting work. Unlike other actresses who go the cliché route of waiting on tables which likely Meghan thought herself above such work, yachting allowed for her to possibly snag a rich fool who would either bankroll her acting pursuits or maybe even sucker one into longterm relationship/ marriage.

R237 - Don't go simples on us. No one expected William or Harry or any other male royal these days to marry a virgin. But there's a difference between a woman who has had lovers and affairs before settling down, and the next King of Great Britain having a daughter-in-law who made sex tapes for money or advantage.

R248 - Too right, how Meghan made a living before her first husband got her the Suits job has been glibly smoothed over.

R227 - I think Harry will be annoyed but not at his wife. Harry doesn't strike me as capable of reason where Meghan is concerned, or at least not yet, and he's just stupid enough to double down on his mistake.

For fun I put "Markle sex tape" into google. A typical page of pornhubs etc., appeared, and right in the middle a review-type quote from the one guy (PR plant) on CDAN to say anything positive about her in two years, along the lines of "you'll be disappointed it's not realz blah blah blah."

Note to crap PR: your continued crappy job never disappoints.

Wonder if Soho was paying for the daily PR tsunami, cuz someone seems to have almost completely pulled that plug.

She seemed to travel from city to city for them, not hard to connect some dots. Doubt she blew his friends on an actual yacht, in SH is far more likely, no?

Who was the gay guy she was besties with who is also friends with Markus? She had a falling out with the guy before the wedding. Blanking on his name.

I am still curious why her first marriage was annulled?

R250 - most of the stuff on pornhum and celebrityjihad is photoshopped b.s. But then there's that 1% left over - and there are photos of Meghan on a beach topless leaning over a phone camera. The fact that most of it is b.s. doesn't mean there isn't scope and texture, as they say. She spent 10 years in professional limbo.

R252 - It wasn't, there was no first marriage that was annulled. There was only the first marriage to Trevor Engelson, from whom she was divorced, and then Harry. No one has ever produced a shred of credible legal evidence about that alleged first of three marriages.

Dammit, *"pornhub"

Omg, that's her, surely? I've just looked. There are DVD's/CD's to the right, a TV to the left, a big cock in the middle, and madam's got her mouth round it? Not the vid, just the image.

This thread is useless without sceptres.

And yes I know the difference between a look a like. I missed out the fact that this has been brought up before, and that image wasn't there then. But it's not " new " with the obvious back scene of DVD's /CD's

R256 - And orbs.

I haven't been following the BRF threads for a week or so. Where has all this talk of a sex tape suddenly come from?

R225 You mean this? Not her. As other's have said, her type is a dime a dozen in Southern California, and beyond.

There was a name attached though, R253, it was not some vague rumor. It was a guy she met at Northwestern who is a criminal attorney now. There was info on the deleted Tendril threads.

German media is running articles about the sex tape R259. Shortly before that, Harry traveled to Berlin, was snapped at Soho and was seen at the office of the paper. Seems to lend credibility, no?

It is being more or less suppressed in US and UK will not touch it yet.

It looks, as R260 pointed out, like her ethnic type but I also don't think it's her. Her eyes are lighter, for one thing, and there's a bump on the woman's nose in the image that Sparkle's nose doesn't have. But more to the point, the whole issue is that if the tape exists, someone has it but hasn't released it or sold it. The broker made it clear he saw it, and then deleted what he had, so if it exists, either the Canadian who called him and showed it to him still has it, or also deleted it. The whole mystique about the thing is that it's NOT around for people to see.

As R260 said, girls who look like Meghan litter L.A., San Antonio, Miami, the Bronx . . .

If Meghan made such a tape, she can thank her lucky stars that it isn't readily available, and she can just keep hoping, or the BRF can, that won't ever be.

R261 Adding some guy's name to a Tumblr rumour isn't credible evidence. Marriage certificates are legal documents. An annulment wouldn't remove the marriage licence from the government records. There would still be a record of the marriage and a record of the annulment. No one has provided proof of any other marriage except the one to Trevor.

R262 - German media still at it or are you referring to a few days ago? Without real proof, they won't get much mileage out of it beyond a 2-3 days.

I never saw photos of Harry in Berlin, either at Soho House or BILD. He was there, alleged to be on some minor official duty, but if there were snaps of him at Soho House, let alone BILD's offices, they weren't shown where I could see them.

Yes, so far as I can tell, the UK media has avoided this story like the plague. US tabloid media outlets, ditto - Radaronline is an American outlet and it isn't carrying it, nor is the supermarket tabloid, Globe Magazine, and that lot would print anything.

So either it's too hot to handle even for the amoebas, or the story is bullshit.

R255 R260 that's not her. I can see why you think it is but the eyes are different and a lot of the features are slightly different.

Also to the person in the thread who over the last few days has been trying to downplay Prince Andrew's past you may want to actually read up more on the Epstein case because it sounds like you're missing a lot of the context.

Annndddd, the early edition of the DM, frantic to bury the hot Meghan sex tape article, and possibly to offset many of those pointing out the bullshit in the Rural Rivalry article, including the incessant use of "reportedly" and a near disclaimer of its own at the end of the article, now has Richard Kay coming out to defend Kate's honour with this sizzling competition:

"Is Kate's 'rural rivalry' just a rumour to damage her? RICHARD KAY reveals how the Duchess may be the real victim of dinner party gossip claiming she banished her friend from the 'Turnip Toff' set"

So it's not the DM, you see, it's "dinner party gossip" and the DM had nothing to do with it and as we all know, all those folk in Norfolk have nothing better to do with their time than to smear the future Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (assuming the latter is still with us).

As my New York City friends would drily put it, "They got some balls."

Kay's comments:

"Over the weekend, reports emerged in both the Saturday and Sunday newspapers which claimed a 'rift' had opened up between Kate and her Norfolk neighbour Rose Hanbury, Marchioness of Cholmondeley (second from left and right with Kate in 2016). One account said the two women had had a 'terrible' falling out . . . But I am told the rumours of a falling out between these two attractive young women are false." [no shit, Sherlock]

This is the DM getting in front of having to acknowledge that they printed a fake news story into 14pt type and tried to milk it, and it turned out to be a damp squib. And now they have William furious with them as well as Harry.

R243, I’d love to hear more. Being an old lady now, I have no illusions, but I’d still listen to some dirt.

^ Duly seconded.

R252, it’s interesting I don’t know how to put this delicately, but the fellow in question (JGG) could easily be confused for a butch lesbian in a suit.

So much so that I almost don’t believe she was with him. NOT who I’d picture with at all. Very odd.

I saw pictures of Harry in Berlin, at Soho House, of course. After a couple days of rumors about him catting around, his crap PR was moved to announce Haz was flown in/chauffeured around to the tourism sustainabity conference as a delegate.

Which didn't have anything to do with the sex tape we are waiting to see.

R272 Please share these images from Soho House Berlin

Still waiting for an explanation of how Turnip Face Rose was a successful model. And on Storm’s (Kate Moss agency) books, no less.

Her hub looks hot. Used to party with Mick Jagger. Worth more than Prince Hot Ginge. He’s gotta be cheating on Turnip Head? What’s his story?

Thanks for answering, R262

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I keep forgetting how smoking hot Peter Phillips is. He and Zara are by far the best looking of HM's grandchildren.

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Camilla = HRH Honey Badger.

The photos of Harry at Soho in Berlin were posted here and are online. His trip was well publicized, but with a negligible pretext. Obviously he was there re: the story that was about to run as he was also seen at that paper while there.

It will be interesting to learn someday exactly what is the relationship between Markle, Dim and Soho.

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Zac Posen posted a photograph of Princess Eugenie in the dress he designed for her wedding reception. It sure looks a lot better here than it did in that daily mail picture.

Sparkle is fascinating because it is impossible to understand how she decided she was hot shit.

She is below average in every way. Face not that attractive, terrible body, no acting talent, no intellect. No manners, no charm. Apparently has the social skills of a starving farm hand within no access to indoor plumbing.

The disconnect between what she thinks of herself and her breathtakingly trashy, socially deficient realilty is truly pathological.

She’s a narc, R283 - that explains everything in your post.

[quote]No way will she stay gone for 6 months of maternity leave, she's too thirsty.

I agree totally. Six whole months without cheesing into every camera within a 2-mile radius? She’d just shrivel up and blow away.

I hate to say it, but Megs increasingly resembles some behind the scenes rmployee who has stumbled into the royal photos,

I think it’s her pregnancy girth and terrible hair. But DAMN she looks out of place.

Interesting connections

R274 Rose Cholmondeley (née Rose Hanbury) is posh. Even before marrying the Marquess.

And, as Patsy Stone would say: “quite big tits”.

That’s all that you need to call yourself a model in Britain these days.

Her sister Marina nabbed an Earl with similar attributes. Good on ‘em, I say!

R288, I said MM looked like the maid in one of the earliest photos of the RF on a balcony and she was standing behind Kate, grinning away, whilst everyone else was serious.

I’m sure we’ll see more than a few pap pram walks during her 6 month mat leave.

We all know that the D of Exess will behave as though she's the first bitch to ever give birth, and all that that entails: pap walks with the bairn in tow a mere 30 minutes after delivery, showing off the costly prams (one for each day of the week), Ginge constantly carrying the child in a sling on his chest. It will be baby, baby, baby 24/7 and we'll look back and think how peaceful it is now, compared to what it will become.

Can't wait to see the eve-rchanging parade of nannies.

I just threw up a little bit in my mouth R291. So accurate.

Do we think she’ll dare try the anti-vaccination route?

I was the poster who linked the picture of Harry at Soho House Berlin, from Instagram. It was hashtagged #PrinzHarry #SohoHouseBerlin #Store X. I've put that here as a reminder to self of what I'm looking for, and I'll try and find it again.

Probably, R293. And if she decides to go without vaccinating her birkenstock baby, I wonder what the BRF can/will do about it. I know what I'D do if i was them: I'd sic Princess Anne on them. SHE'LL make sure the brat gets poked.

Soho House Berlin pic.

Soho House includes a department store?

Yes R297, across two floors, Store X. Here's the video.

Do you guys read any posts ? I doubt it very much . And than every one have to procure evidence at once .

Was that english, R299?

That was me both times R299, photo and video.

Tne DM's gossip columnists wrties a full throated climb down on the rift story.... alleging early on that someone may have done this to harm Kate.

Then It closes with this subtlety:

"They have eschewed the celebrity friends that Prince Harry and the Duchess of Sussex appear to like to surround themselves with.

No friends of Kate have gone chatting to gossipy magazines as Meghan’s have done to People and Vanity Fair.

As a royal wife and mother, Kate has never put a foot wrong, her family are loyal and discreet. She carries out her official duties with enthusiasm.

She and William have not been photographed exchanging so much as a cross word in public.

But while William has never indulged in the kind of ‘what Meghan wants, Meghan gets’ foot-stamping as Prince Harry is said to have done, he knows how important she is as a mother and a future queen.

And if this whole sorry episode turns out to be some cack-handed attempt to dent Kate’s unshakeable standing with the public, it has almost certainly backfired."

The Middletons are having business woes with their party decoration business.

So, r302, do you read that as a threat to the DoSs from the DoCs, or merely a confirmation that no one has believed this gossip and that they know the source and the source's intent?

Why would such a report harm the DoC, if true? I think if I were in that circle, I'd be careful not to alienate the Cambridges, especially Kate.

That's a lovely photo of Eugenie and Zac Posen at r282.

R304 - Yes, I think you're right: it's a bit of a coincidence that there's a PR shake-up, Meghan brings in a former Clinton "advisor" (read: behind the scenes attack dog), and suddenly the DM is printing a negative story about Kate that a few days later they have to acknowledge had no legs at all.

R305 - It wasn't the set in Norfolk that tried to float this story, they know better for precisely the reason you mention - these are people who know better than to start cheap PR wars with the next people up the rung of social power; and it was intended to make the Cambridges look competitive and imperious and abe to "banish" people (read: they're responsible for all Meghan's negative press and they're probably the reason the Sussexes got "banished" from London).

Quite a few commenters BTL immediately assumed the story was a PR ploy by a spiteful Meghan and her new PR chief, and Richard Kay, doing the DM's dirty work for it when the story backfired and collapsed, not too subtly threw Meghan and Harry under the bus with the suggestion.

I had my doubts, but the timing is a bit suspicious. If this is the work of Meghan and her new "communications" chief, they most certainly didn't check in, as they were alleged to be obligated to do, with the BP's communications chief. So IF this was Meghan and Latham going rogue, they've learnt a lesson they should bear in mind: the DM isn't on Meghan's side, it never was and it never will be, and they used the "leak" to turn from smearing Kate to smearing Meghan.

If Meghan and her PR weren't engaging in a pathetic playground attempt to smear the Demure English Princess's public face, then they're still the losers, because Kay's article will have convinced many this is the DM walking back on a juicy story offered by Meghan's PR as too many people in the Norfolk set threatened to correct the false story publicly if the DM didn't.

Enter Richard Kay.

Richard Kay. It's been awhile since I've heard that name! Yes, the old school journalists and reporters evidently loathe the American gold digger, and with good reason.

R302 - I agree. Cack-handed, clumsy, and unfortunately, transparent in its intent. Buck House is probably furious, and not at Kate and William and the Marchioness.

R298 - What I see there is a balding red-headed male from the back whose face is never seen in a very brief video. I'm not saying it isn't Harry, but is it realistic that Soho House would have leaked their private CCTV footage to the press? Isn't their whole thing, This Is A Place For The Rich And Famous To Engage In Bad Behaviour Safely? Secrecy is their stock in trade. That he was in Berlin is true. That he went to BILD's offices is still totally without proof, and I would still opine that if a story about a sex tape were percolating, Harry would never have gone himself, it would have been a job for grey men behind the scenes to either negotiate or threaten, the latter of which wouldn't have worked with BILD, anyway. And if it was Harry in the store, all he was doing was shopping. Very quicly.

R328 it's not CCTV footage, it's from a passer by / fellow shopper's mobile phone. It was posted to Instagram, and reposted to Twitter. The Insta account has now turned private, probably due to a sudden deluge of comments and sharing of the post, but it's still out there. Another site ran a picture of him arriving in Berlin, alongside the video, proving that the person in it had the exact same clothes on as Harry landing in Germany.

BILD reported what the porn purveyor said on the podcast. They didn't drop their own story. If the Sussexes were trying to stop the leak before it happened then dealing with BILD was useless. They would have had to make a deal with Blatt to keep him from saying anything about the video. Where would that end? Anyone could say they saw a video from years ago that they no longer have but they're sure it was her.

IF a video exists I think it's better to take the "intimate personal video" and "violation of privacy" angles. It puts her in with A-listers who have had images and videos hacked. If a former partner released the video she can campaign against cyberbullying and domestic abuse for extra feminist cred.

Disclaimer: I don't think a video exists but who knows.

That leaves the question what PH was doing in Berlin . I read that BILD is not far from SOho House in Berlin .

Coincidence is not causality

Did anyone catch the 1 hour propaganda show "Charles At 70" on PBS last night? It was all sugar and spice and everything nice about Charles. Nothing about the spoiled, selfish, cheating, lying, petty and jealous man that he can be certain times in his life. Although Camilla did gives us a hint of his other side when she called him "impatient".

Princess Anne with the Queen's first grandchild, Peter Phillips.

A 6-month maternity leave for Meghan? Fat chance. Do we really think that she will be able to pass up the golden opportunities of attending key royal calendar events like The Trooping The Colour, Ascot week and Buckingham Palace Garden parties etc... where she can wear expensive clothes and hats?

Then Princess Elizabeth wearing the Grenadier Guards uniform.

She is a thirsty whore our Meghan . And since she herself is not pregnant it will only take a week before she is back .

"I'm so bloody fed up with all of this family drama. God, I need a gin and tonic".

Still not taking your meds R319?

R314 - Yes, we know that. I did use the terms "suspicious" and IF.

And gossip is, ipso facto, spectacularly lacking in absolute causality but spectacularly rich in speculation.

Which is why it's more fun than defending a PhD thesis.

R311 - All right, I'll accept that.

R310 (which is whom I think you meant your post for, that is, yours truly here)

Oh and you are . There are several posters here who claim she is not pregnant .

R322 Bitch take a step back. Not everything is about you.

The comment at R314 was not aimed at you. It was responding to R31s's claim that Harry was seen near BILD therefore implying that he was possibly at the BILD office and then to the even greater leap that he went to BILD to discuss a sex tape which may not even exist.

The new PR of Meghan is at work . Everytime she has a new PR its always the same . “Forgot to take your meds dear ?” Always attacking . This is a gossip site moron . If I want to tell that Meghan is not pregnant and uses a surrogate its fine . If i tell PH is gay that’s fine too.

I’d rather pimp the story that Megs is one of Putin’s sleeper agents from his time as head of the KGB. Her mission was to destabilise the west via bad acting and relentless self promotion and her trigger phrase was “free swag”. The SohoBébé is just borscht belly.

Putin will recall her when the BRF have revealed themselves as lizards.

Camilla has a certain style of dressing and she's sticking to it.

The parasol comes out again in Havana.

The article in the DM backpedaling about the Norfolk set rift had loads of comments along the lines of “sounds like the word salad Meghan likes to toss around” or variations thereof. They’ve all been culled. Pity, some of them were really funny.

Camilla looks well with that style of clothing .

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Rose was a model because she's the granddaughter of the 10th Earl of Cavan or something like that. Aristo. If you watched Downton Abbey, remember how Lady Edith's father negged on her newspaper column job, saying it was just because the editor wanted "Lady Edith" as the byline. Rose's modeling is like Ivanka Trump modeling. I'm certain it was the celebrity division and not the real deal. She and her sister in their youth were tallish, skinniesh, with big boobs and long legs. Not much more needed.

Whatever looks Meghan had at one time have been transformed into a blank, “filled” mask of skankitude.

She always has a completely blank, “go ahead and shove a dick in my face, I won’t mind” look on her face. The standard expression of blow up dolls everywhere.

Meghan did not make mistakes. That implies didn't know any better or wanted to do the right thing but erred. She is concertedly doing exactly what she wants and ignoring protocol in favor of pushing herself forward and first, making it all about her. That's intent, not a mistake.

When I googled her after Harry's statement, and then even more after the engagement, I agreed it was a smart and lucky move for her. A self-inventory would have told her she was running out of space in the television industry, particularly as she's not a good actress. As soon as I saw clips of her on Suits I thought, well, this move is PERFECT for her. She sucks. She's not going to be like Princess Grace, yearning for her film star days. She can barely act and Suits was her only strong credit. I thought protocol and so forth might be difficult for a civilian English girl but for an actress in her mid-thirties it would be a piece of cake. What is it but knowing your cue and your blocking, and not being intimidated by cameras? Piece of cake. Not to mention the hours on a film set are much longer than the typical time consumed by a royal engagement. So IOW I thought even her failings worked to her advantage in royal life. Now for me, personally, the downside would be having to crawl into bed with the corn-toothed ginger gawdhelpus, but I looked up her prior love interest (Trevor Engelson) and most recent (Corey Vitiello) and thought indifferent looks wouldn't be a problem for her, although she probably likes height, which Harry has. Trevor is ordinary-faced. Corey is cute in many photos but in his photos with Markle he looks completely gay-faced - she seems to bring it out in him. I guessed for her security was probably the most important thing, and lord knows marrying royal is security, and it's not like Harry was some driven dude. He was a layabout. Very easy gig, good for her for landing it, she probably will elevate him a bit, sort him out, nice job, Harry.

[quote]Did anyone catch the 1 hour propaganda show "Charles At 70" on PBS last night? Although Camilla did gives us a hint of his other side when she called him "impatient".

I did. Goodness, yes, it was sooo propaganda heavy. While the Prince's Trust does seem to have done many good, progressive things, I found it interesting that it was Charles himself on tape waxing on about the organization's accomplishments exclusively in the first person. Documentaries like this often usually others involved in some capacity discussing successes and crediting the founder, not the founder patting himself on the back. I don't think he mentioned anyone else who had a hand in the Trust's success. It was all about Charles. Yes, it was his birthday show, but...

Also found it interesting that Harry dominated the brothers' interview (much like Meghan dominated the engagement interview). He talked twice as much, if not more and seems to hold his father in greater affection than William. Surprisingly, Camilla looked quite pretty I thought. It's when she smiles or laughs that the "rottweiler" face emerges. Yes, the "impatient" description, but carefully describes as something that emerges from the prince's passions, not as a character shortcoming.

R325 - Hey you rude cunt: next time be clearer about what your post is responding to and you won't invite correction.

^crap editing

"like this often have others involved"

I love how bloody awful MEghan Markle is all around. By her own ego-driven devices has she made herself the villain of the piece and we all eagerly await her eventual downfall; because let's be real, she and Harry are too fucked in the head for a happily ever after. You just can't make up a more compelling reality show.

A cute photo of Prince Edward with his cousin Lady Sarah Armstrong-Jones.

Sparkle must be making a decision via popular opinion, polls, and social media. Her lapdog has created a poll for her. Oh dear.

"Do it Beyonce style and only show random limbs until the baby is ready for college and then do an interview with Oprah or Gayle and have the baby casually walk by" PMSL R341

The DM has hastily waded back in with this today:

"Meghan is nicknamed 'ME-GAIN' by Kensington Palace staff, Tatler claims

The Duchess of Sussex has earned the nickname ‘Me-gain’ among Kensington Palace staff, according to Tatler.

Meghan, 37, is understood to have rubbed some courtiers up the wrong way, with insiders previously revealing she had been dubbed 'Duchess Difficult'.

Now, in a new report published in the May edition of Tatler, another unflattering nickname has been suggested: 'Me-gain'

The name is even said to be used by members of her own staff at Kensington Palace.

Recalling the vicious attacks Sarah Ferguson was subject to after marrying into the Royal Family, the article reads: 'Meghan has seen nothing like that – even though staff at Kensington Palace are now calling her "Me-Gain".'

Kensington Palace has disputed similar reports surrounding the Duchess' relationship with her staff on a number of previous occasions.

The Duchess of Sussex, who is due to give birth to her first child in the coming weeks, has been dogged by reports of a demanding nature and relentless work ethic that has proved problematic for aides.

She has been linked to a number of personnel resignations, including personal assistant Melissa Toubati, who is said to have handed in her notice last year because the work had become 'too much'.

Other reports also claimed that Prince Harry's wife was responsible for three royal aides quitting, after she 'shook up the household with 5am emails

A source close to the matter said at the time: 'Her job was highly ­pressurised and in the end it became too much.

'She put up with quite a lot. Meghan put a lot of demands on her and it ended up with her in tears.'

And earlier this month it was announced Amy Pickerill, who was appointed as Meghan’s assistant private secretary just last year, is to leave her post after the couple move to Frogmore Cottage inWindsor this month.

The move is a shock as Amy was handpicked to work for Meghan and was tipped to succeed Samantha Cohen, who is due to step down as the Duchess’s private secretary after 17 years with the Royal Family.

It is understood that Amy will be leaving the Royal Household altogether and moving overseas.

She has played an important role in introducing Meghan to royal life, organising charity projects such as the cookbook the Duchess published to help families affected by the Grenfell Tower disaster.

Just last week royal author Anna Pasternak said about the Duchess, who is believed to be giving birth next month: 'I think what Meghan's got to realise is she cannot live life in the royal family like an A-list Hollywood star.

'Within the monarchy it requires a very different set of behaviour.'

'You cannot have it all. You cannot have your freedom and this privilege... It's not a fairytale. Recognise that and live with the consequences.'

Kensington Palace declined to comment. "

I'll bet they did.

The DM giveth (to MEghan pr) and the DM taketh away. Or is this a case of one step forward two steps back?

R344 - What's interesting this time isn't so much the DM, but "Tatler" which is on a very different level - the DM is only reporting what is in "Tatler.

Tatler's readership represents the wealthiest sector of its publisher's audience (Condé Nast). These are the high society pages, not the hoi polloi in Essex.

Although it is targeted to the highest level of British society, is it also American owned.

So this will represent a much more alarming evolution than the DM to Meghan's new PR chief.

And I suspect it also represents serious payback for the attempt to smear Kate through the country set in Norfolk.

R328 I love Camilla’s pastels. What are those buttery candies that come in those colors? Can’t think of the name.

Do we really thinkMegs was behind the Rural Rival horseshit?

How fucking stupid is Megs?!

It’s not even a good story. If you’re going to make shit up, have a good story!

Is there any doubt now that Meghan/ Harry are actively branding and merching? Whenever they go they make sure to stop off at Soho House, Harry pops in at Soho House no doubt to collect the check.

So they want to be part of a brand, they see themselves as representative of a niche brand that blends humanitarianism and upper-middle class/ upper-class consumerism. Just another limousine liberal as they say here.

Champagne Socialist , we call them round my parts, R348

R347 - "Do we really thinkMegs was behind the Rural Rival horseshit?"

I don't think we'll ever know that, any more than we will know whether the sex tape really exists. It's possible but not provable, at least not publicly.

The speed with which the story collapsed and the backtracking by the DM does smell a bit. "Tatler" doesn't usually weigh in on the more mundane bits of royal gossip - you think their readership gives a fine flying fuck what Prince Harry's wife's clothes cost?! Most of it can probably buy and sell Harry ten times over.

But they do stick with their "own", and what this says to me is that to Tatler's readership, Kate and William AND the Chomondelys are their own, and they didn't care for the smear operation, no matter where it came from. The days of Kate's "doors to manual" sneers are long past - she's now the established daughter-in-law, wife, and mother of future Kings, and a future Queen, and Meghan Markle has cloaked Kate with Perfect English Princess aura.

If this was a leak by Meghan, and we really don't know that it was, but if it was, I'd wager that she did it on her own, and that her new PR chief would have advised against it; in fact, the new PR setup if I remember wasn't supposed to come on until after the baby arrived and the move to Frogmore accomplished.

I also suspect that Meghan's narcissism, compeitiveness with Kate, and obsession with public image are uncontrollable, by herself or anyone else, and that's the source of much of the problem she had. And, interestingly, it was a problem she shares with her late mother-in-law. IF this was a petty piece of mischief by Meghan, it should serve as a warning sign to Sarah Latham that she has her work cut out for her.

Did anyone see King Charles III on PBS last night?

R337 Hey ass wipe, "coincidence is not causality" could be applied to several posts on this thread which is why I chose not to link it to just one comment. The post at R313 was the most recent post that prompted it but not the only one for which it would be an appropriate response. I didn't even notice whatever deeply contemplated bit of speculation you'd posted.

Since when does a DL post need to be a response to a specific previous post rather than just a general comment?

Since I didn't refer to your post I can't see why you've decided to be butt hurt.

R352 - Oh fuck take your meds and lie down. Jesus.

R337

Yes R349, same disease different names. Here in the US, they mostly reside in the coastal states. Where I am in California, they're concentrated in SF Bay Area and L.A. Meghan's champagne socialist/ limousine liberal leans closer to the L.A. variety because the things she likes are trendy, bougie, and aspirational-tacky. In other words Hollywood nouveau riche as opposed to laid-back/ idiosyncratic Silicon Valley newly rich, or understated East Coast old-money with zero fucks to give or prove.

There's this huge Tatler article out, focused on Meghan, trying to be balanced (Such as supposing SURELY play-it-safe Kate must be a bit envious of Meghan's "glamour" - Jesus Christ did the Tatler journalist LOOK at how Meghan dresses herself?). They speak to a Hwood person who calls her a "piece of work" - there's a lot of unflattering shit - MOST of it unflattering, but also trying to say the courtiers are always jealous so that's not news, and that she's drawn Harry and his father closer together, and discussing the rumors around her. They scoff at the idea that her pregnancy is IVF (don't even touch the surrogacy stuff), and in order to balance things out mention that some thought Meghan was pregnant at her wedding hence the bagginess of the dress. So it's a little, nobody in this is a saint, the conflicts are natural, but here's some more dirt on Meghan. However, it's not the REAL dirt, it's really more culture clash stuff. They take her feminism and humanitarian concerns on face value and think the inspirational banana stuff was just fine.

Very notable is how Harry is left out of the story. Hello - there are no rumors about him or are we just pretending there are none? We are done with Harry once we learn he is "hotheaded" but "MADLY IN LOVE WITH HIS WIFE" and how she's brought him and his dad closer.

I do not think so. I think they are protecting Harry. And I wish them luck in doing that usual thing of protecting the royal person. As the rogue Lipstick Alley unpopular opinion thread says, Harry married himself. He's an asshole. He's a high status grifter. And he's weaponized her against the BRF. HE's the story, and until the queen dies and maybe until Charles dies they're going to hide it.

R351 A friend in the US mentioned it so watched a trailer on YouTube. I'm going t watch it after the soaps this evening. Can I ask your thoughts on it, please?

R355 I believe Tatler has something big, but they won't put it out themselves.

R357 - Such as . . . any guesses?

R355 - If Meghan had been pregnant last May, she would be home with the a month-old baby by now. Even at just six weeks, she'd have had to have gotten pregnant in early April and she would have been long-delivered by now, in January. Can't people count?!

And I agree with everyone and anyone that dislikable as she is, Meghan is taking the heat for herself AND for her moron of a husband, who, in classic fashion, is getting away with a great deal as the passive actor. I despise men who do that to their wives, frankly. It's so fucking cowardly.

This is doing the rounds - Meghan wants a $14 million dollar photoshoot, just like Brangie got with the twins, she wants money deposited directly to a charity account…like Brangie, where it then disappears and is spent however the hell Meghan wants to spend it while looking like a hero and using it for personal means- Actually makes the post up above involving the poll on Twitter by her friend Omid Scobie seem believable . ( Yes I've looked, the poll is real, I now think she set it up, via him).

One of Princess Anne's children gave Hello exclusive rights for a wedding (Peter Phillips?) for about 500,000 pounds and they received such a backlash about pocketing the money that I haven't heard of any of the royals try anything like that again. Of course, since it's frowned upon, that will make it all the more attractive for Meghan and Harry.

I wonder if you're right R357 because it's a weird article.

R353 If those meds don't come in a flute or shot glass then they're not for me. You start a cunty fight and then double down on it. Bitch step back.

R361 Peter and Autumn sold their wedding pictures to Hello in 2008 as you said. Then 2014 Zara and Mike sold the first pictures of Mia to Hello as well for £100-thousand.

R359 Tatler’s a monthly magazine so it’s possible that when the article was written the birth was assumed to be imminent by publication date.

Another weirdness of the article is describing them as "can't keep their hands off each other" at the Tom Inskip wedding in Jamaica. This is the wedding where much of it she and Harry are at an isolated table and she's sitting back with her shoes off and a cut a bitch expression on her face. Another time she has her arm draped across his shoulders seeming to speak to him intently while he has his head in his hands. Another time she's gesturing at a server with an asshole expression on her face quite frankly, and in one of the stills the server has an appeasing looking palm up. The most affectionate moment in the whole photo series is a female friend of Harry's sort of bounding towards them and he perks up and has his arms open, as does she, while Megs looks sour. The woman is not particularly well-dressed nor is she any sort of hot girl or glamour threat to Meghan. Yet the Tatler just goes with its own version of "can't keep their hands off each other." despite the actual images that exist.

R363 - You can take them in a urine sample plastic cup for all I care. And you're blocked.

Someone update my lazy ass on this Tom Inskip wedding. So Harry dumped Meghan prior to this shindig and yet she stalked him there anyways? Supposedly this Inskip guy was a best friend but is frozen out now due to Meghan? If this is true then wow this bitch got game and Harry is truly dumb beyond belief.

R360 - I'd forgotten Tatler is monthly - so perhaps the unflattering story's appearance right after the Rural Rivalry b.s. is a coincidence - unless, of course, Tatler knew the other story was making the rounds.

I'll believe the $14 million photoshoot story when I see it happen. That is a great deal of money no matter where it is allegedly going, and would make another set of really, really bad optics for the BRF. If the photoshoot involves Frogmore, it's also 1) a security risk, and 2) legally questionable as Frogmore doesn't belong to the Sussexes - it's owned by the Crown Estate. So I doubt H&M have the legal right to invite a major photoshoot of the place let alone to accept payment for it. It would finish off the Sussexes for the rest of the chapter and their PR team would have apoplexy.

Calling bullshit on that story. If it's true and the price is true, it's probably the foundation for a trust fund to support them as they "BRFXIT".

The Meghan stalked him to the Inskip wedding, or crashed it, is a tumblr myth and there's no way of knowing if it's actually true. On certain tumblr accounts, EVERYTHING Harry and Meghan is stalking and blackmail. So IMO it's just as likely they were dating and went together.

Anyway, the tumblr version goes that she was invited while they were legit dating (or at least legit hooking up). They broke up, and she crashed, bringing with her her own pap (which seems obvious - there's a pap trained on that table). However, to me, it seems a little convenient that a crasher is able to set up both the table and the pap without interference from the hosts of the wedding, and also get Harry to sit there and let her put her arm around him and intently tell him a thing or two.

To some tumblr followers, all of this is Meghan bringing her blackmail and escalating her demands on Harry after she promised to leave him alone. And he has no choice but to let her sit there and attend the wedding due to something something blackmail something something can't be revealed.

Do I believe Harry/Meghan is a love match? I don't. Are those pics weird and is the vibe romantic? Yes they are weird and no it's not romantic. But whatever is going on it's not poor victim Harry and Evil Blackmailer Meghan. I think they've got an alliance to make themselves famous and squeeze as much money from the BRF and the entire farce as they can, in part because Harry has nothing better to do and Meghan wants nothing more in life than that.

It's CDN that claims Inskip was a customer. To me that could be just hot air.

R369 here, Harry's not dumb, IMO, but the photos of him at the wedding are him and this marriage all over. When he feels like it, he madly signals "I'm miserable, I'm beaten down, I am helpless here." When his mood changes, he outdoes her in being inappropriate or he enables her to here and beyond (think the Fiji tour with the inner thigh groping on both sides and the umbrella gazing stunt). Harry is just allergic to any kind of responsibility and when he's in the mood to get sympathy he puts on a hopeless pout face. That's what this looks like to me. And he has the sense to look decently ashamed at what appears to be her being a bitch to the server but he wont' step up and stop it.

R360 that is one way she could actually get money. We know the BRF won't stop them. She'll lie about the charity and so will Harry, and there you go.

She is doing things ass backwards and her entire Achilles heel has been money. You can marry the 6th in line all you want, that doesn't mean you can get your claws onto part of his trust fund. S She's got no Middletons of her own. You can get a few stragglers from the A list (rapidly dropping in status if you ask me) to ludicrously show themselves off at what turns out to have been a pathetically basic if obscenely expensive baby shower, but all that solidarity isn't going to get you the first dollar of THEIR millions. She's trying to be A list without the A list money. It's like she thinks if she hangs with Amal and Serena she'll get Clooney money or Serena money by association - it'll rub off. She doesn't have Gail money. She doesn't have money and I think it's driving her crazy. I think her original plan was to prise it out of Charles and the queen and really emotionally blackmail and berate them into funding the Harkle independence with BRF millions, enabling the Harkles to do exactly what they want when they want, owing the BRF nothing while the BRF pays for it all. That's a fantasy I think Meghan and Harry will not achieve. Making Brangelina bucks off his Little Lordship is something they CAN do.

If the kid ever shows up and if she ever decides on a due date. She was announced as twelve weeks pregnant last October.

I've said it before here and I'll say it again, Charles did not describe her as "tungsten" as a term of endearment or as a testament to her fine and strong character but as a WARNING.

R351 I did not see Charles III on PBS but did see it on Broadway.

The Tatler article is fascinating. Remind me never to piss off the rich and landed gentry crowd.

Well, she did fuck the Audi Polo sponsorship up. One million pounds to a charity o their choice? No wonder Audi pulled out. Both a pair of wrong 'uns. The Brangie rumour does NOT surprise me. I see that her royal spokesperson ( I use that term so loosely) has extended the voting. Is that because it was swaying in favour of the Lindo wing? Will be interesting to follow that poll. Bring out the bots, hey.

R371 - The Sussexes do - not - own Frogmore Cottage. It was given to them to live in, not deeded over to them, any more than Kensington Palace was deeded over to the Cambridges. The house is part of the Crown Estate. Revenues from the CE are turned back to the Exchequer. That's the deal. If they try to make money out of a photoshoot using the Crown Estate, they will be in legal trouble.

". . . the estate's extensive portfolio is overseen by a semi-independent, incorporated public body headed by the Crown Estate Commissioners, who exercise "the powers of ownership" of the estate, although they are not "owners in their own right". The revenues from these hereditary possessions have been placed by the monarch at the disposition of Her Majesty's Government in exchange for relief from the responsibility to fund the Civil Government. These revenues thus proceed directly to Her Majesty's Treasury, for the benefit of the British nation."

I can just see "the British nation's" response if the Sussexes try to use the Frogmore Estate to get themselves a few million on a photoshoot - I would love to get an opinion from Geoffrey Cox, the AG, about who has the right to those profits.

The Tatler article is great reading. It’s also brutal, in that very polite English upper middle class way.

It will have a much greater impact than anything in that rag the Mail, especially when you consider that there are quotes (not directly attributed, I admit) but much more direct than all the Mail’s “is said to”, “it is believed that”, ”supposedly did this” and “has been known to say that”.

Conde Naste isn’t so stupid as to make stuff up.

[quote] Peter and Autumn sold their wedding pictures to Hello in 2008 as you said. Then 2014 Zara and Mike sold the first pictures of Mia to Hello as well for £100-thousand.

The big, fat, glaring difference of course is that neither Peter and Autumn nor Zara and Mike are "working royals" and therefore do not live off the dole of the Sovereign Grant nor revenues from the duchy of Cornwall, unlike Thing 1 and Thing 2.

What about ‘Hazel’ as the name? An ode to daddy Haz?

[quote]If I want to tell that Meghan is not pregnant and uses a surrogate its fine . If i tell PH is gay that’s fine too.

It's a gossip site, not a fantasy site. You may want to make a fool of yourself but many of us like to keep our gossip within the realm of the possible/probable.

I think it is really interesting that Tatler wrote Me-gain. That's... bold. Nobody's going forget it, for better or worse. All this says to Meagain is that she's fighting a losing battle, trying to best the Cambridges. Not gonna happen.

R381 - Her first mistake was to see it as a battle: there is no battle. If she'd relaxed, made it a point to demonstrate that she understood that there is no "turf" to fight for here, that she was fortunate to be let inside the Golden Circle, supported British fashion, didn't wear clothing that made her look like a kid let loose in a sweet shop on someone else's dime, wasn't a demanding bitch to staff, hid what a limelight attention whore she was, etc., she would have gotten all the positive press she could wish for.

She just doesn't understand the landscape she's in - that was clear from her first threats via Harry to the UK press, the Vanity Fair cover before the engagement was announced, Tiara Gate, the maternity coat stunt, the PEOPLE Magazine article, the atrociously expensive clothes, the occasionally offensively inappropriate clothes (cf. the Black Widow outfit at the RAF's 100th birthday celebrations) . . . etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam ad infinitum.

So how does that work? X million for baby photos donated to a charity and then somehow siphoned off for their personal use? Charities are regulated too, there's no way they could get away with it.

She's enabling him, or he" is as thick as" has been whispered about. Baby photos for charity. Audi Polo charity donation. And where was this donation going to exactly? 'm sorry, but I sniff a grifter. I've come across a few in my lifetime.

“It’s a gossip site, not a fantasy site.”.

Thank you R380 - these are exactly the words that I have been reaching for when reading some of the posts in these threads!

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R386 - Ah, more dust from Tobacco Road to cling to the Demanding Duchess!

[quote]And, she told another blog, ‘I learned [on film sets] how happy people would be when I walked in with a tray of perfect crudités’

She’s SUCH an asshole!

Wow, so much in Part 31.

-- Regarding Kate and the Marchioness, anything is possible and everything can be a lie. Aristos are famous for bed hopping during country weekends. It's a trope, played for laughs in movies and TV shows. The DM was, IMO, openly intimating that the rivalry was for William's affections, given the lack of reason for the rivalry, the placement of the photo, the reactions of the Marquis' parents, and emphasis on the lack of denial from KP. It seems the BRF to kill this story - so Richard Kay is called in to deny it credibly. We simply do not have enough information about Will & Kate's country life to make an educated guess.

-- Meghan's sex tape. There could be around, that is with the realm of probability. However, I doubt will ever see it unless Harry suddenly decides to dump Meghan.

-- Meghan's grifting. It a sad fact, but most of the royal family (including Charles do this). Some like Andrew and Fergie are openly venal demanding bribes. Others quietly accepts gifts and trips. Much of Camila's jewelry comes from Gulf States gifts - e.g. that weird ruby bib thing. Meghan's side hustles are not a big deal. She needs to put a lid on the money she gets and, sadly, lower her price. Re photos of Sussex-bebe - it depends on how beautiful the biracial baby is. A biracial Diana is worth more than a Doria with Harry's red hair.

-- Based on publicly available information, I see Harry and Meghan going the way of Prince & Princess Michael of Kent. I don't see Meghan divorcing him, b/c she will walk away with nothing. She does not have the high-profile needed for independence. All her status comes from him. She'll try to establish a personal brand, there is not enough there there to do it without Harry.

Yes, it looks lovely in that photo, R282. The Daily Mail photo was much more unflattering.

Tatler is owned by Conde Nast? The same owner of Vanity Fair?

What the hoity-toity mags can giveth can be takeneth.

Wow R 375 - remember the rumor that our dear DoS wanted charitable contributions put directly in her own hands to distribute. I wonder if Audi got a preview of the sort of "charity of choice" Their Dimwittiness wanted donations for and withdraw with a quickness.

That Tatler article seemingly has more inside information about Meghan, Harry and the people around them than most everything semi-respectable I've read about them since their engagement was announced. It sounds entirely believable, on the one hand, but the shade is so heavy-handed, on the other. How do they get away with it without quoting sources?

P.S. - Harry is so stupid, and Meghan is so fake bright, that I wonder if either of them realize this sort of hustle and grifting is older than the hills and equally transparent. Many many have been down this road before - trading glitter for cash, hustling rich friends in exchange for perceived status, diverting "charitable" contributions to their own bank accounts, etc. It's not new. Did Ms. Markle convince him she'd thought up all these schemes herself? Neither is well-read.

Meghan came into this marriage with nothing except the money she made on Suits, which is a pittance and certainly not enough to set her up for life especially in the manner that she's aspiring to. Aside from that, she has no safety net from her family, she either needed to continue working as an actress aged out of hot girl roles before she achieved any fame as one, an aging yacht girl, or get married to a wealthy man. lThe comparison to Diana is absolutely bonkers. Diana was 20 years-old and an aristocrat who had wider options available to her, not the least including the fact that she'd never become destitute due to not working. She came into this marriage with nothing and expected everything.

A decent woman in Meghan's position would be thanking her lucky stars to land dim Harry. A life of comfort and status, granted not a life of freedom but she'd know what she was getting into before marriage. Out with the "Meghan made mistakes" excuses, she did not make any mistakes. Mistakes are the results of unplanned events gone awry. Meghan's actions have been calculated, they stem from her immense ego. She can't see the forest for trees when it comes to public opinion and why many people can see through her behavior. She's a joke at this point.

^^^ meant to say Meghan came into this marriage with nothing and expected everything.

Agreed R395. When the engagement was first announced, I envied her (almost. The having sex with Harry part was a tough hurdle and I never managed to clear it in my imagination). What a sweet gig! Marry the sixth in line, but he's also Diana's son, so there will always be a bit of shine on him. William's only brother, bonded by tragedy, so your husband will always be in good with the future monarch. Non-competitive, grown up, pleasant and non turf-protecting sister-in-law your own age. What a fantastic set up for an actress looking for an exit strategy. Getting the clothes right is a cinch coming off your TV show - just consult a pro and listen to the palace aids. Wear those stockings. Probably don't need to "work" (always in quotes for this gang) hard the first year - easy does it for a newcomer. She just had to behave faultlessly - that is not difficult when you're making a public appearance a couple of hours a week that involves being appropriately dressed, smiling and polite, the end. Once she has established how perfectly boring, perfectly royal and pleasant she is, she can go visit her mom in L.A. fairly frequently because obviously she's a diligent, responsible woman and her mother's only child, and mum is attached to her life in L.A. The family is of course British so you will have your personal space. A few deadly dull church and family events a few times a year but those are mostly in the morning or afternoon, seldom both, so you know, into each life some rain must fall.

As the years go on and Charlotte, George and Louis grow up, more freedom accrues to the Harkles because they are less important. Who the hell even knows what the Kents and Gloucesters get up to. I know they are dutiful and diligent but they could be free as birds the rest of the time and who would notice or care? It really would be all the privilege and none of the burden, the longer the Harkles lasted together. Nobody's keeping tabs on their comings and goings as long as they show up when expected and do what's expected. Make sure to be very boring so nobody is even INTERESTED in what you do in your spare time. She blew it all to chase - what?

Excellent post, r397.

And because of her being unique within the BRF- a biracial American, she wouldn't have to lift a finger to establish a particular stardom, in contrast to, not in competition to, Kate.

You're giving her far more credit than she deserves. She's far more ambition than brains. She's not smart enough to have made any choices. She just wants and schemes.

Meghan clearly has no intention of or ability to fit in. She has her sights set on being a beloved Diana 2.0, with a backup plan of fleeing back to the US and making money with tell-alls about how poorly she was treated. I don't see someone with her personality traits being willing to fade into the BRF background, pretend-enjoy being married to Harry and simply enjoy the perks of her significantly elevated status.

For what it's worth, this is from Lipstick Alley. I'd read most of this elsewhere before, but not all of it:

"I’m not a psychic and I don’t play one on TV. But I will tell you what I see.

TM is a stable mare for Soho House.

This beard contract is part of a greater deal to raise the profile of Soho House for the owners before they go public.

She sold herself to someone as a PR pro with a following who could finesse the deal. (Her and her team). That sparkly bullshit speak she does actually works on some people.

Harry is not in the dark. He is being offered a cut. I don’t know if she was the one that sold it to him or someone closer to him within Soho House. The brief dating period was to see if they could get along.

It’s important that TM’s PR stay on point as to maximize her reach. The baby shower was to show what they could do but it backfired and now they are treading water.

There is too much money going into this D list actress and it is not coming from Charles. She doesn’t have it and neither does Harry.

The outfit similarities (who sorts through photos of Diana then finds comparable pieces?) the social media bots, the Clinton PR pro, haute couture? Coming out of her pocket? She eats groceries on boats. Harry still gets a salary. And the Duchy of Cornwall ain’t springing for all of that for a D list America actress with a trashy background.

And it worked until the real Meghan came out.

Harry likes celebrity, sluts, debauchery and money. He cut his friends out because he’s doing dirty shit. And he and TM need to keep secrets. Especially the baby.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Will knows. He may not be sharing it with gran gran but he knows something. I know his circle looks out for him.

Count the many ways she pushes Soho House. Even stays there. And will continue to do so.

This is going to stink when it blows up. Unless she has Harry on tape she will be left on her own.

This royalty moment has been brought to by Soho House. (Insert royals frolicking in couture frocks)

Those two will be roasted."

I remember reading that she pitched herself to Soho house as an influencer and struck a deal with them. She basically got to go around the world expensing everything to them. Didn't hurt that she best friended Markus. She, however, did not deliver what she promised, but then - BOOM, Harry and she was back in.

But what I question is the rationale for all of this. Let's look at the premise of everything. She was used to raise Soho House's profile to inflate its value when the owners go public.

????? Does anyone other than people like myself who sit on gossip forums know about the Meghan/Harry - Soho house connection and rumors? How have they raised the profile of Soho House? The rumor that they attended the Soho house blowout in Amsterdam, Harry showing up in Store X in Berlin, and the persistent rumors (shot down by all her fans) that she actually lives at Soho Farmhouse instead of sharing a place with Harry? These are all really small, low wattage events or rumors, and the rumors in particular are only traded among what I think is a small group of people (online fandoms really are small and there's a lot of cross-posting across forums).

So we are supposed to believe Soho is "backing them" (expensing them, paying them, giving them a cut) for raising the place's profile against a future going public? Is Soho membership rising because of the Harkles? Is awareness of Soho House going up? It seems pretty flat to me, but what do I know.

I do believe someone, probably Jessica, is culling Diana images and pulling outfits that look similar. That's why they're so weird, unfinished and oddly 80's looking at times. What stupid, stupid advice. The people they are pitching this towards don't remember Diana's wardrobe, she doesn't resemble Diana, and what would be the point of it anyway?

I can't understand R401.

After her Jackson endorsement she's a write veto me. Same for Miss Ross. Old people should stay home.

^ sorry wrong thread.

OMFG people!! Ive asked 3 times now how it is Rose Turnip Face is considered a “model” and not received a satisfactory answer!

Last I checked, you need hot, symmetrical, photogenic features for mags/catwalks to take notice of you. Who cares if she is long legged and big boobed. She’s wasn’t a Page 3 girl, was she? So what if the dumb aristos cat’s cousin’s neighbor was friends with Queen mom. For high fashion (where Rose alleged posed) your visage has to be traffic stopping and that’s it. Other aristos at Storm, Stella Tennant, Jacquetta Wheeler, Jodie Kidd etc (yes i researched) were blue blooded but very model-ly.

Turnip Face could crack glass at ten paces. But anyway, also, I want more inside info on the hot husband! David Rocksavage. His past sounds racier than all of the Royals put together!

R495 For an insatiable British culture hound you’re remarkably obtuse.

Rose was a “model” - emphasis on the inverted commas. She wasn’t ugly, she was well connected and she was thin.

If you need to have it explained to you as to why that combination will get a girl a few editorial shoots in the modern English media then that’s cool but you’ll need to find someone with more patience than me.

The Tatler piece posted tonight upthread has DELICIOUS gossip and is worth a re-post. Please read. One of the best and most balanced pieces on Sparks to date.

Some new info too: the drastic change in public attitude in late 2016; the abrupt dropping of her "career" at that same time; the banning of Tom Inskip from the wedding reception; the Clooneys bickering in St. George's chapel, overheard by nearby aristos. Delish!

R401 what is so fabulous about Soho House? Ive been to the one in NY and t’was no different to Hogs n Heifers. Probably slightly less coke and celebrities to be honest.

Also all that ‘celebrities doing secret shit at a private members house’ doesn’t really work in this self aggrandizing insta-ho day and age now.....does it?

Ugh. FUCK that disgusting greasy haired ditz and her crass ways. I feel so bad for the Queen. I miss the Royals of old :(

R406 Did you not fucking read my post? I GET the aristo model thing and cited quite a few examples. TurnipRose was not stand out at all, in any way shape or form. I don’t remember her from the early 00-05 (her ‘high’ period, apparently) and why Storm signed her was a mystery: she had baggy jowls even back then.

If anyone has any dirt on Rocksavage, the husband, please post.

ALL a distraction distraction distraction from the REAL scandal at hand....Airmiles Andy and his Epstein loving pedo eyes wide shut ways....

You better believe that shit is real.

I totally believe Harry is doing dirty shit and keeping his friends away because he doesn't want to hear it.

Someone on Lipstick Alley read the above about Soho House and speculated Harry and Meghan may also be selling BRF dish or trading inside dope for $$$$. Which is why they're frozen out, weren't up at Balmoral, probably show up in the car and depart like people who are on prison furlough closely watched from their residence to destination to back again. Could also be why they are on so many half-assed "foreign" tours and why the BRF doesn't seem to care that they're half-assed, as long as these two are out of the country. AND would of course explain why they are banished from London and given a creep show home to live in. Whether they ever move in seems anybody's guess. Would also explain why the BRF don't care if these two show biz themselves to death. Let the trashy celebrity crowd have them.

LOVED the Tatler article... best rip I've read.

Best Gossip Nominees:

And some of it is... some of it is the fact that people love a good gossip. Love to hear that the Clooneys, sitting next to John and Lady Carolyn Warren at the wedding, were bickering in the choir stalls.

after what Prince Charles told one source was the ‘nightmare’ of the wedding preparations.

That Prince Charles had met Meghan, been fascinated by her, but told a friend, ‘I just hope he doesn’t marry her’;

Tom ‘Skippy’ Inskip, the ultra-loyal, tight-lipped Harry pal, who, it’s said, advised Harry not to marry Meghan and has paid the price: banishment.

Best snark nominees:

And everyone’s got a mental image of the moment when Meghan will for the first time have to curtsey to Kate, when Kate becomes Queen, as protocol dictates. It’ll make having to wear nude stockings seem a breeze.

‘Where’s the wonga going to come from when Charles is King? It’ll be William who’ll be handing out the Duchy money then. That’ll be interesting.’

Best prophesy:

Ridley was among those at a lunch given that week by a national newspaper editor, at which the host shared his guesstimate about Meghan-Harry: after five years and two children, she’d take them to California to see their grandmother – and file for divorce.

Thank you R397 for this beautiful turn of phrase

[quote] A few deadly dull church and family events a few times a year but those are mostly in the morning or afternoon, seldom both, so you know, into each life some rain must fall.

I disagree with the call for the Sussexes to be uninteresting. I'm loving the palace intrigues. Glitter and be gay.

A primer on the Turnip Toffs. It makes you realize what an endangered species out of Evian water Megantoinette really is. She could never understand these people, which isn't her fault because it is as weird a world as where Megantoinette comes from. But they have better manners.

I remember arguing in the past that Harry couldn't touch the principal of his trust and it being insisted that yes he could. It was only protected until a certain age, and he passed that and can do what he wants. So i wonder if he, degenerate that he is, depleted any of it.

More from Lipstick Alley that I'll post below in a second. The previous cut and paste from there, about the nature of the Soho House relationship doesn't scan for me. I never think of billionaires as needing fucking "influencers" to enhance value. That's a racket for hustlers, not people with real money. Not to mention Meghan and Harry haven't been doing a whole lot of enhancing. It's all so damn down low in a pseudo sort of way I don't know what reach it even has. But anyway, THIS next stuff sounds real and explains the Cotswolds place and why they're leaving it:

"The country house is on the Great Tew Estate, which has SoHo connections. They are "breaking" the lease for several reasons:

1.) It's suspected that the "lease" was in exchange for the promotion of the estate. There are a bunch of houses built/being built on it and hope was that their names being connected to it would bring in buyers;

2.) The house has been put on the market and they can't afford to buy it;

3.) Them being moved under Buck House means a significantly smaller budget that is shared with everyone who is under Buck House. They can't afford to staff the place, even if they kept it;

4.) They have been put on a short leash and will only be allowed what the crown grants them."

Thanks for posting that Tatler piece. My favorite line: "‘new Harry’ – fan of the stars and aromatherapy devotee." So douchey. Doesn't fit him at all, Makes me feel sorry for him.

Yes it does fit Harry because he's so dumb and malleable.

I felt a bit sorry for him when they emphasized how besotted he is by her and how sensitive he is. She is playing the damaged dim wit like violin. He will be crushed when she goes to California and files for divorce. And I bet she'll be a real bitch to him years 3 - 5. Poor bugger. You thought he was a mess before he married her...

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I feel sorry for him because he looks like an utter dumbbell. And he's a goddamn prince!

Wow, is that Meghan with Charlotte Wace? She sure knows how to network.

That photo of her at Wimbledon assessing Cressida Bonas was very telling.

Good catch re Charlotte Wace r419. Explains a lot.

This Violet von Westenholz is intriguing. She's an aristo sure, but I wonder what her real purpose socially is. Matchmaker? or something else - ?

Damn, body language don't lie. Legs crossed away from Me-gain, Adwoa Aboah keeps turning this way and and that, barely able to stomach even looking at the ho to her left. Someone upthread called Smirkle fake bright, which is a pretty spot on assessment. Duchess of bananas and tossed salad, who loves to hear the sound of her voice and imagines herself the smartest in the room.

R423 the optics is so crass and encapsulates Meghan's essence. Skirt so short you can see up her snatch all the while pretending she's this hefty intellectual do-gooder.

Wow, R423.

LOL that gif, how fake can this bitch be? Tilts her head, flashes a smarmy smile, followed by insincere batting of eyes.

R423, in the video before that, Aboah was speaking and Mega interrupted her and basically took Aboah’s point and did her word-salad thing. Then made sure to mention her husband.

R416, it does fit him. He has always been a fame whore. He's always bought his own press. People think he loves kids because he waggles his finger at them and pulls faces and mugs. Same thing with every kid - no individual treatment. He also spent one of their tours ordering them to hug Meghan, which is not a thing he should be doing. People assume he's a wonderful uncle when it turns out he (probably) turned up drunk in front of the kids so that William threatened to kick him out of KP long before he was kicked out of KP. I don't think he ever really yearned to be a dad, that just played into what people project.

The aromatherapy, vegan, mental wellness, yoga, blah blah is all bullshit and we all know it. That's just branding - for BOTH of them. They unwind with recreational drugs and booze. She can't make up her mind if she's vegan or "obsessed with roast chicken." With her it doesn't matter because it probably all ends up in the toilet anyway once she's stuck her fingers down her throat, and they both subscribe to the most reliable diet on the planet - cigarettes. I don't feel sorry for him. This is who he IS, not who he's become. That vet loving laddish Harry was PR. Granted, Harry probably thought she'd hide it better just as he's hidden it but she's publicly exposed them both as assholes. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

One thing I am seriously enjoying about all of this is how the A list celebrities are exposing their own grandiosity. Everybody from the Clooneys to Beyonce, Jay Z and Beyonce's mom think they have standing to lecture the public about Meghan Markle. The self-importance is absurd.

R409 What you’re actually saying is that you think the Marquess is hot and want dirt on him, right?

You should first establish if he’s into stupid American illiterates - if so, start saving for your flight across the pond (this will take a couple of years, I suspect) you might be in with a chance, mate!

Good luck on your quest, and try not to be so ANGRY. Your use of all caps to make whatever your point is just confirms that you’re deranged.

Charles has his own skeletons. Check out the comments under this BI.

That out from nowhere bit of shade about the Clooneys bickering at the HazBean wedding was a cold and masterful stroke. So much for opening your fat mouth George or your fame-ho wife helping put on that vulgar shit show in NYC.

Can you imagine being the newcomer into this group shown below?

A fish out of water doesn't begin to describe it.

And add to that what has been shown to be a total disinterest in being a team player.

Ooooh, whoever described that Tatler article as "delicious" was spot on. What a bitchy delight. Can someone comment on whether or not this is, for Tatler, quite a 'full on' piece, especially as it concerns the wife of the 6th in line/the future King's brother? They, like the DM, obviously know what they're doing with sprinkling a little sugar on the poison to help it go down, too. Someone above remarked on the IVF comment as being a sipportive of the Harkles. Here, it is;

"The rumours may be false, but not as false as the speculation Meghan was pregnant on her wedding day – ‘that’s why the dress was so baggy,’ one young woman assured me – and certainly not as false as the rumour that theirs is an IVF baby. "

Let me be clear: in absolutely no way is that a supportive comment. That is actually a textbook example of how to print breathtakingly bitchy gossip and get away with it. Absolutely classic. The DM would be proud.

Interesting that they also mentioned people thinking she's getting bad advice. I've been of that opinion for quite awhile now, but especially since the People/baby shower PR offensive, which was very clearly and organized, planned PR effort, and shockingly badly done. I'd be willing to bet money it was someone on the North American side of things who handled that, it showed absolutely no understanding of the British press or of Meghan's position. There were rumours at the time she was being advised by Serena Williams and possibly SW's PR team, and I would believe it. It all felt extremely 'Hollywood' - those laughable cringe-quotes in people about her "relationship with God." Vom.

This woman could have had everything. Including the adoring attention from the public and media that she so clearly craves. That she bolloxed it up this badly doesn't speak to her "ferocious intelligence" at all. That was pure laziness, not bothering to research how to do things in her new circumstances.

I do buy that she's a loner, though. And a very Type-A, ambitious personality.

R433 What is that clip from? (i.e. what is the name of the doc) - Ol' QEII dropping some stone cold wisdom in that voiceover, i'd be curious to see/hear the rest of it.

R435 From youtube comments I've heard that it's from Elizabeth R: A Year in the Life of the Queen from 1992 it's been on my watch list for a while. There is probably a better quality version of it out there but here is a youtube link.

Here's another clip about the Queen at one of the Ghillies's Balls at Balmoral.

Why does the LA poster keep referring to "TM"? What is that?

One thing the Tatler article does mention more than once is how "besotted" Hairless is with Egg. I'm not seeing it, and I've never seen it. They simply do not come across as two people in love, and he's never looked besotted with her.

I think I read it here, perhaps in one of the Dangling Tendrils threads, that Will has been known to offer up stories here and there to people surrounding them to check for leaks to the press. No proof, of course, but it would be quite sly of the Cambridges to allow MM to overhear about a “falling out” between Kate and her good friend, just to see if it would make the papers. Leaks indeed. Of course, it’s fiction made up by my own mind, but I would love it to be true.

Ha, that would indeed be hilarious if true!

It is unfortunate that she seems to think she is at war with the RF as R382 points out. No one is at war but her and her hapless husband - agin the world

This is an interesting site

R346 Camilla's pastel clothes look like Buttermints. They are the candy given out at restaurants and weddings.

William, Duke of Cambridge- I would not want to be on his bad side. Apparently, he has a mean-streak, and doesn't seem to be the "let's let bygones be bygones" type.

The DoS climbing instincts failed her when she needed them most to not put a foot wrong- after reading the Tatler item and from clues earlier, I think it's true she's made an enemy of him and the DoC.

And Amal Clooney, when he becomes King, will drop the DoS like a hot potato. Too late, Clooneys. The DoC seems like a vindictive sob and won't forget your "friendship" with the DoS. Better try to switch sides now.

I've said this before and I'll say it again- I've always found Duke William to be dull, dull, dull. Not anymore.

It would be impossible to overstate my disgust for the Clooney's at this point. Fake humanitarians with loads of filthy lucre.

I do not believe this for a moment.

Nor do I, R447. Curious as to where THAT load of rubbish came from.

[quote]Why does the LA poster keep referring to "TM"? What is that?

“Tragic Mulatto.” And NPH for “Nazi Prince Harry.”

I am pretty sure we all know where the story about William came from, I am wondering to what end?

The Express is at the bottom of the bottom, right? William demanding more money for Me-gain PR? Riiiight.

I can't believe that William would add to the taxpayer's burden by employing Latham who seems entirely redundant . Omid Scobie is a royal expert, however. so he must know best.

Interesting that the Daily Express has obviously decided that MM stories can take over from Diana and McCann stories

R447 Omid Scobie is MM's friend. He puts out what she puts in his ear. I don't believe a word of it.

Omid Scobie is as much of a royal expert as I am the Queen of England.

Scobie MUST KNOW BEST? Hahaha

R440 William used to trial his circle with pretend leaks. So it is quite plausible that this could have been a test. If so, he now has solid evidence of what a disloyal and dislikeable creature Markle is.

Scobie is said to be the ex of Markus.

If Markus is her handler, who is above him? Well, Ron. And above Ron would be the people he procures for, no?

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I was being sarcastic R455. I especially enjoyed his survey of preferences for the first sighting of sohobebe - I bet Her Majesty is anxiously awaiting the results even as we speak

It is interesting, there seems to be a whole new level of openly going after her in the press, him too. It had seemed that they were kinda holding off until after Sohobebe. What is going on behind the scenes must be wild.

I believe there is a sex tape.

I think there is a lot more dirt on her than that. I think she is beyond shame, it just feeds the us against the world psychosis. I think banishing her was playing the long game, but here she has changed the timing. I know that they do not want to buy them out, but what other outcome could there be?

Interesting that Dim is said to have reached out to Skippy recently to kinda sorta apologize. Then this.

I sti

Fat fingers.

I still cannot get over the menstrual health speech at a memorial for a DEAD young man who he had been a personal friend of - humans are just objects to be used to them. No sensitivity to their needs or feelings at your words or your exploitation. Ugh. Same with knocking the heads of the young boys together.

He is as bad as she is.

I saw that poll R459 haha. Scobie looks a little like a young kd lang sans any kind of talent.

R452 - William has no power over deciding who gets a slice of the Sovereign Grant (i.e., taxpayer money) but the Queen does, and it is she who put Sarah Lathan's 140,000p.a. salary on the backs of UK taxpayers through the SG. The cost for the rest of the Sussex PR team is allegedly being shared by the Queen and Charles. Of course, "the Queen and Charles" heads back to the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall, respectively, which, traced far enough back, also means taxpayer monies.

Well, we put up with it, it's on us.

*Latham (not Lathan)

R463

What kind of person decides where to give birth via a twitter poll?

Harry is definitely as bad as Meghan if not worse. She's basic, but just on overdrive. The best thing the media can do to avoid the whole racism thing is to nail HIM. She's more of an accessory. Don't make it about her. The problem starts with him. They need to start deconstructing the harmless former bad boy fun-loving lad image they've perpetuated and start getting to what they know, which is his temper and how he treats people. AND his apparent money problems. I really want to know what those are about.

According to the DM, with another long article out piggy-backing onto the Tatler piece called "Hen Pecked Harry forced to banish friends because they advised him not to marry Meghan. . .", the Palace has come out and called the Tatler piece "completely untrue", and the Mail has contactd the Palace (they didn't say which Palace) for further comment.

Ball in Tatler's court, they can either not respond (grinning quietly) and let the mud stick as they know it will no matter what the Palace says, or come out and say they stand by their sources and wouldn't have printed the story if they didn't have good reason to believe it was true.

Of course, Inskip himself could come out and contradict the story out of loyalty to his former Strip Billiards Buddy.

R460, the option to buying them out is just let them swing in the breeze. Let's see how long she gets free clothes as she ages up. They don't have much game; just what we've seen. It will get old. No need to separate Harry from her. Just reduce the budget - done. Banish them to some bolt-hole away from London - done. Isolate them from the rest of the family except for official stuff - done. Then it's simply letting them lie in the bed they've made. Since I think I now have a better idea of what is going on both from the BRF perspective AND the Sussex agenda, I believe what the BRF are doing now is probably the best plan. They are starving/strangling the Sussexes behind the scenes while the Sussexes pretend every loss is a choice and a win. We've also seen that if she lies about Catherine in any way that gets traction, the BRF and the media will come after them. There apparently is no one lying in wait for Kate because she is what she seems to be.

As to the Soho story - at some point won't the whole Soho matrix collapse OR the owners will finally go public. But at some point the entire Soho arrangement will end. I don't see what the BRF has to lose waiting until then.

I have never seen a pimp that looks more like a pimp than Markus Anderson.

R456 - or he has further evidence of his brother's treachery. Harry has been negating William for years. All of that - they were BOTH wild stuff. It's never sourced. And it always comes up when Harry's public disgraces are discussed. And that "limpet" thing about Kate. Harry knew his brother had a good thing in Kate. He also knew that given their mother's history, marrying into the royal family when just out of one's teens was not on. Finish your education, give it a good long test and only marry then. But he went with the wisteria jokes even though he and Chelsy strung each other along for even longer.

Another thing the Lipstick Alley Unpopular Opinions thread discusses is Meghan's time at Northwestern. Apparently you have to go out of your way to avoid diversity at Northwestern U. There are black sororities, there are diverse sororities, but Meghan chose an all-white sorority.

They also take a dim view of her treatment of her father, in particular writing a five page letter in her fake calligraphy. Nobody can imagine being that contrived and premeditated in correspondence with their own dads.

I just looked at some Markus Anderson instagram photos of his „cool things“ - a stack of three books among them: Just Kids (Pattie Smith), Cloud Atlas and Atlas shrugged by Ayn fucking Rand. You don‘t need to even look at his hip male jewellery to know he‘s a douchebag.

I still think there is a LOT more to the story with her dad.

All of his kids are complete freaks. It’s likely there was some serious dysfunction in both his families.

Doria seems like a flake and she does not seem like a warm or affectionate person.

As irritating as Mega is, I feel almost sorry for her having such a trash bag family.

She should have married some equally weird LA guy who had somehow stumbled into money. There are plenty of those wandering around.

No scrutiny, no pressure to have social graces (of which she has NONE), no questioning her pedigree.

I agree about Doria, I think she gets more credit than she deserves.

I've said it before - MM would have been happy as a clam had she married some hotshot H'wood producer. Then her grifting ways and fake persona would have been lauded, not condemned. Eventually she would have gotten a spot on Real Housewives. As things are now, she can't do right for doing wrong.

She had originally touted herself for a Housewives role, when she was with Trevor. I guess she thought that he would fix it for her.

Scobie looks like he's had plastic surgery or injectibles.

She would have to learn not to seek out and stare into the camera if she were a real housewife

Ya think R476? Also microblading on his eyebrows.

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In recent times I recall twice reading a report that the Duke of Cambridge hosted or attended a meeting re the Duchy of Cornwall. Of interest to me was I think one of the times Charles was not even mentioned.

There is a rumor that the Queen makes appearances but Charles is essentially doing whatever it is that she did, including her Duchy of Lancaster duties. So it would make sense that William has effectively taken over or is at least a prime decider re the Duchy of Cornwall. Which just goes to show how insanely stupid his brother and Meghan are. They're not going to be funded instead by the Clooneys or Soho House for life!

Havana is full of old cars and Charles and Camilla got to ride in one of them.

Edward is in Dubai for the Duke of Edinburgh Awards.

The Rottweiler has some beautiful clothes. The fabrics are gorgeous.

Speaking of real housewives, Meghan has always reminded me so much, in both looks and party-girl demeanor, of one of the original OC housewives, Jo De la Rosa. Member her?

R484 yes the one who thought she could sing? I always thought she looked like Howdy Doody.

Regarding the report from Omid Scummy that Wills advocated to the Queen more budget for the Sussexxx comm staff.

Would that William is operating on a Machiavellian front and telling his brother to his face, “I got you bro, I’m on yo’ side” with the appropriate amount of righteous indignation on Harry’s behalf; and then cutting a bitch behind the smug HazBean back.

R480 How could Harry not grasp that concept? Perhaps he didn't know details or timing, but really?

As they say on LSA R486, beauty fades but petty is forever.

Harry is damn fool; which is a shame because that boy was given so much and he squandered it.

His epitaph will have the words "miserable' and "wretched" subliminally etched onto it.

I loved Jo De La Rosa - thought she was great - why couldn't Harry marry her.

The only goal for MM was to make money out of this marriage . As much as possible . Love was never the case with her and PH . The relentless merching of the clothes she wears is also a way for making money from it . Its a scam and I do not know how she is doing it . But a scam it is . And ginger dimwit is also Involved . My guess is she told Harry it would benefit them both so he could be getting more money out of it . I really would love to see the annual report of where the money goes in the RF . Isn’t it somehow due any moment ? I read it on one of the threads . I think it was Dangling Tendrils .

If Harry’s aim was a mixed or black actress he would have done far better with Nicole Beharie. She spent childhood time in the UK so would’ve been a better bet to “hit the ground running”.

She is infinitely classier too.

Harry didn't want classy. He wanted what he's got, but to fool everybody with it. He's out there saying "Plastic free" "Menstrual blood" "We're with you" then hauling ass in a helicopter for short distance trips and private jets to Berlin where he promotes Soho, his wife is doing the same while spending or wanting to be seen to be spending gargantuan amounts of money, and she herself is pissy about not being subsidized enough by the U.K. taxpayers.

She really IS a piece of work. Instead of requesting donations in lieu of a baby shower, she brags on the guest gifts like Away suitcases (that she is surely merching) and has Gail King brag that "leftover flowers" from the shower go to hospitals. That's disgusting. She LOVES the leftover idea. On some tour she decided the "leftover cake" (I shit you not) should go to children outside. She adores the idea of living high and graciously sharing scraps and leftovers with the lessers.

I was catching up on some Harkle/Cambridge tarot reading on youtube (I know, I know) but some ring true. This one said Harry and Meghan are the ones putting out the dirt on Catherine (the turnip toff thing, pretending Party Pieces is going under), and that Harry thinks the Cambridges maybe had it coming for not rolling out the red carpet for him and Meghan.

That last just seems to be Harry all over. This is a guy who complains about being royal. But what he really wants is to be filthy rich, preferably with other people's money, and do fuck all nothing. He honestly think he is owed for not being the heir, that it should all be equal, including hierarchy stuff. So he wants to shit on the monarchy but also bleed it dry for himself $$ wise, and get every entitlement Will has and then some. It's a laugh if he thinks people aren't coming for his ass now. Maybe he missed the memo. I think he's still white knighting his lovely bride and isn't aware the flames are licking his own feet.

r493 I too have started watching youtube tarot card readers. Some of those folks are cray, cray. I've found Psychic tarotcard reading to be very balanced and prolific in her readings. Her stuff rings true more often than not.

Prince Andrew has been seen doing more duties lately.

The Queen was holding audiences today at Buckingham Palace. The pink was in homage to us. Thank you for your support, Your Majesty!

Kate and Anne on the balcony of Buck House.

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R493, I loved your comment. Especially the “leftovers” analysis, which I had never noticed, but is spot on!

Will and the family should have used REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY with Harry. Instead of telling him he shouldn't rush into his marriage or not marry Meghan at all, they should have said "yeah, go for it! We support you 100%". Maybe he would have done the opposite and saved himself a lot of trouble.

And the Tatler article was quite delicious.

MM is an asshole, but she is fascinating. I hope she never goes away.

My Prediction:

The Sussex marriage will last less than 7 years with one or two children.

The union will end in a scandal with public humiliation: Meghan will be caught with another man (a la Fergie and the Toe Sucking Episode). There will be photos and story all over the British tabloids and the family will ask them to end their sham of a marriage. Of course, there's always a possibility that Harry could cheat (like father like son) but at the moment, I think Harry may be so pussy whipped that he may be a little afraid of his wife.

This isn't a TV show. People get hurt by narcissists, starting with their children and spreading the pain out as far as they can.

I just want Markle and Harry shackled together for life, sinking lower and lower. Even the Yorkie girls will end up with better establishments than the Harkles. If it's not Frogmore, they'll end up at the back end of somewhere else. This parenthood thing is terrifying in a way though. I don't think anyone here, even the biggest stan, doesn't recognize something is awry. In October when her pregnancy was announced it was reported by KP that she had passed her 12 week scan. Now Emily Andrews is saying that she may not give birth til mid-May? That makes no sense, particularly with her enorme' size.

At the very least (not the very worst) it is an IVF baby and she's padding like crazy to create iconic Madonna moments that her own squarish body can't achieve, and of course, to be the almost literal elephant in the room nobody can ignore. It was weird how similar the pregnant Amy Schumer's pregnant midsection looked when she came out on that talk show in extra padding. So one can be padding like hell and still pregnant, but it's going to put a weird vibe out there that she's been belly cupping since October and doesn't produce an actual child til May. Then Omid Skobie with his twitter polls - what the FUCK. This is a baby, a person, it's not a new line of clothing.

They are each going to hate the actual parenting part of parenting. I feel for the kid.

R492, well, he'll be the next Duke of Edinburgh after Pips will have kicked the bucket.

Sorry, I was referring to R482's post.

I wouldn't be surprised if he turns to Chelsy when his marriage to Meghan becomes difficult. He doesn't seem like one to put up with difficulty. He'll simply blame Meghan and feel justified in straying.

R207 - I agree. I think despite their renewal attempts, Harry and Chelsy have unfinished business. You know how that can go in a life sometimes. I think Meghan was in the right place at the right time, but for Harry, for the wrong reasons.

So I wouldn't be surprised if your prediction comes true.

At this rate i can't imagine Chelsy would be in the least interested in damaged goods. Now if Harry were to learn from his mistakes and man up then... right, as if. What Chelsy has since made of her life shows the gurl has well and truly outgrown the ginger dumbfuck.

I certainly hope Chelsy isn't waiting around. I also think for Harry having a real relationship is too much like work. He's a drama addict like his mama, apparently, and enjoys this circus.

[quote]And Amal Clooney, when he becomes King, will drop the DoS like a hot potato. Too late, Clooneys. The DoC seems like a vindictive sob and won't forget your "friendship" with the DoS. Better try to switch sides now.

I think the Clooneys are safe. They were "guests of honour" at the recent Prince's Trust gala dinner. (or at least that's the way the DM described them). They had to have donated substantial coin to get themselves in. As long as they associate with Charles, they should be fine. I wonder if William will turn down their donations when he becomes PoW. I doubt it. (Assuming he will fully run the Prince's Trust. After watching "Charles at 70," I somewhat doubt Charles will fully turn over the reins because he seems so proprietary about it.)

[quote]- MM would have been happy as a clam had she married some hotshot H'wood producer.

Probably, but she didn't have the goods to snag this type of man, but tried she did and wound up with a very minor producer Engleson. There are hundreds of more attractive women with far, far better bodes, unenhanced or not, running around L.A. She didn't have any fame, power, or cachet to bring into the relationship. And no money. She's not from HW royalty. Once she and Harry divorce, that's another matter. I think lots of rich, shallow man will be after the former duchess.

I think Della paints an unfair picture of the Cambridges. I think they have standards and I think they're tough at enforcing them.

I think the Cambridges especially William should continue to plant false rumors to suss out whoever is/ has been undermining them. Maybe part of the breakdown of the brothers' relationship has to do with MM getting the goods on William from Harry.

You seem to be lost. Celebitchy is a couple doors down. It's not the Cambridges who made up the supposed Catherine/Rose rift, and as far as MM "getting the goods" (???) on William, you seem to be a bit behind the overall news.

Goid luck Markle stans!

I don't think Harry is leaking. I think he and Meghan have been completely cut off. They make shit up. They are lying. Usually of the "I know I am, but what are you" type thing. All they do when they do dirt is turn it around. You can bet the opposite is happening every time. Rose and Catherine are fine and have always been fine. Party Pieces is fine. And we can bet our own bottom dollars that William encouraged PC and HM to cut the Harkle budget. There is no damn way he was "It is so important for them to have their OWN PR staff, you should pay for it!"

I think R513 read the upthread about the Tatler and decided to practice "how to plant false info while seeming totally innocent". Except in the Tatler case, not false.

Does anybody really believe Megantoinette doesn't read her press?

[quote]Ridley was among those at a lunch given that week by a national newspaper editor, at which the host shared his guesstimate about Meghan-Harry: after five years and two children, she’d take them to California to see their grandmother – and file for divorce.

This scenario simply can't be. By then Meghan will have received British citizenship, the children will be born citizens, and supposedly the monarch is the legal guardian (or so it has been claimed in previous threads). Meghan would have to establish residence in CA for a period of time. Would the RF even let the children leave for more than a short period?

I'm surprised Charles has at least some affection/regard to Meagain. She must trigger Diana flashbacks constantly. You think he'd be under Camilla in a fetal position, and not in the usual way.

The children could have dual citizenship. If the monarch gives permission to travel, she could leave. The law may say the sovereign has custody but the scandal over enforcing it... yikes. If she can get the little monsters out the country, she's good.

R518 I think in any case the child stays with the BRF.

Meghan will be able to confer Canadian citizenship to her children, since they are Commonwealth subjects and Meghan was made an honorary citizen of Canada while filming Suits. The children might very well grow up to be Canadian princes and princesses.

On second thought, R520 sounds right. They will give her an express bus pass to the airport with goodbye cupcakes.

As Meghan is still an American citizen, this child will automatically have dual citizenship at birth: American and British.

And as in any divorce, should there be one, custodial arrangements for the children will favour the BRF, although I'm sure they'll try to make it all look modern and equitable. As in any divorce where there are minor children, neither parent will be able to remove the children more than a modest distance from the other without permission from the other. So Meghan moving back to LaCa with little Lord Dumbarton and Lady Diana Mountbatten-Windsor in tow whilst they are minors will be out of the question without permission from the Sovereign - whoever that is by then.

The first will have U.S. citizenship even as she is actively trying to relinquish it?

*As in any ROYAL divorce . . .

R524

R525 - Filing for UK citizenship doesn't necessarily mean she is relinquishing her US citizenship. Countries who have dual citizenship agreements don't require relinquishing one over the other. IF she chooses to relinquish her US citizenship after being granted UK citizenship, that's another matter. However, I do believe there is a clause in the Constitution prohibiting an American citizen from accepting titles from foreign governments. I'm not sure if this has ever come into play, but technically, I suppose the US State Department might tell her that in accepting the title of a Princess of the United Kingdom (Royal Duchesses carry an HRH which confers the rank of Princess) along with UK citizenship, she must relinquish her American citizenship.

Any citizenship and naturalisation experts here? Can you have one passport stating that your occupation and rank are Princess of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and one in which you list your name as Rachel Meghan Sussex?!

R522 Congratulations! Your post is undoubtedly the stupidest post ever on these threads. And in a sea of stupidity, you’ve managed to be outstandingly stupid.

This isn’t Celebitchy. This isn’t Lainey. And to quote another poster, this is a gossip site, not a fantasy site.

You are an absolute fucking idiot.

Just a bit of gossip from the Daily Mirror’s Royal Editor Russell Myers, speaking on podcast Pod Save the Queen:

“We’ve been previously told the staff would be split among the two – [that] they’d have their own separate courts but the staff would probably be split across the Cambridges and Sussexes.

“That hasn’t happened – all the staff have gone with the Cambridges, and Harry and Meghan are going to have to find their own staff.”

I do love that last sentence - what do you suppose could have persuaded all the existing staff to stay with the Cambridges?

R528 - I'm sure the government of Canada will be interested to hear of the existence of "Canadian princes and princesses".

John, Camilla and Charles.

That's sweet.

I imagine some staff chose to stay with the Cambridges as William is directly in line for the throne. But that all chose not to accompany the Sussexes, wow...

R434, if she is looking for advice on how to become a BRF member in good standing, then she's getting poor advice. If she's looking for advice on how to become the trashiest, most patronizing, most hypocritical fame whore on the planet, then she's in with the right crowd. I will never understand how someone with genuine accomplishments like Serena and like Clooney - Clooney may be a meh actor but he became a genuine star in the film industry as well as a mega-celebrity, influential and extremely wealthy - can become so thirsty, so unseemly, so desperate. I downgraded the Clooneys so far when they turned up for the "royal wedding" despite not knowing the bride and groom. That's a walk of shame for sure.

Oh no, r512, I agree with you. I think The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge do have tough standards. They must, given what's ahead for them and their children.

I do ,however stand by my post with respect to my assessment of William's temperament. To be sure, he isn't overtly, obviously mean. His meanness is of the deadliest kind: cold, distant, condescending, and yet is detectable by an astronaut currently in orbit. I detected it in that brief video of the Cambridges and Sussexes leaving that church where it's pretty clear the DoS attempted to have the camera capture William giving her a moment of attention and he Will. Not.

I also believe that he did tell Prince Harry to take more time with her before marriage. And for the millionth time, that Stupid Shower had to have reinforced any misgivings William had about her, not to mention if the story is true that she had a run-in with Duchess Kate over Princess Charlotte.

I'm convinced William detests the DoS. Man, I feel sorry for her. The furnace blast of his coldness has to be extremely uncomfortable and has has only herself to blame.

I don't think it's foolish to consider the implications of a Canadian prince/princess. Do you think the world revolves around America? Only a narc would dismiss the possibility.

Were the Clooneys bickering in the choir stalls captured on the feed? Surely, we would have jumped all over it.

R533, if Harry were unmarried and the time had come to split from Will and Kate and take his place amongst the smaller budget lesser royals in Buck House, I kind of think it would have been the same - staff choosing to stay with Will and Kate. Face it, he's been exposed as an imperious douchebag. He's insensitive to a couple of little kids (the boys whose head he knocked together) - how can he be considerate of staff. I imagine his brother and the BRF have covered for him for years, and what looked like a terrific Three Muskateers pr strategy was actually babysitting and camoflaging a Wales sleazebag with Cambridge virtue. Sooner or later the fact that he wasn't just a sort of mischievious Peter Pan but a downright debauched degenerate would have come to light, but probably a bit later than now. Maybe without Me Again in the picture a male staffer or two with brotherly or fatherly impulses would have tried to stick with Harry, but in large part I think the picture would be the same as it is now.

R536 it’s almost too much effort to respond to your level of stupid, but I’ll try:

Meghan doesn’t get to “confer” Canadian or any other nationality on her children.

There is no such thing as “Commonwealth citizenship”.

Her child(ren) will be British subjects (not citizens). I have no idea how dual citizenship works in this case.

Don’t assume that anybody who points out where you are wrong is an American. There are others on Datalounge.

Stop making stuff up - it makes you look stupid and you have no need for assistance in this department.

R536, I’d be shocked if MM set foot in Canada again. She’s done with those provincials.

I think Harry is in for a rough time being stuck with Meghan at Frogmore cottage. The type-A, manipulative, image-conscious Meghan will be on a slimming diet before her cooch is even healed from popping out baby. Probably be a total bitch trying to breastfeed, and attempting to lose weight doing yoga or exercising in the gym. She also fits the type of new mom who'll yell at her husband for doing even the smallest thing wrong in her eyes. Used to encounter those bitchy L.A. new moms when I worked at Cedars-Sinai intensive nursery.

Don't know if she'll breastfeed for long, don't want the tits to sag and deflate since later she won't be able to get plastic surgery without inviting scrutiny. Wonder if she's cooking up something that'll make her seem endearing or relatable? Like maybe plant a story about her difficulty in breastfeeding or producing enough milk. Then it'll be tacked onto her greater cause of faux feminism whatnot. Don't worry, she'll abuse the shit out of motherhood while making herself look sympathetic.

Mumchausen by proxy mom.

R542

Im not even going to correct the spelling. Too funny!

Harry can retreat to the cottage whenever he wants. Meghan and the baby will be staying at FrogPala.

Will it be renamed FroHo?

Actually Serena Williams and Meaghan are two peas in a pod. Serena is also a huge narcissist and loves to play the 'woe is me' race card despite being one of the most privileged women on the planet. The Amal connection stumps me however - what the fuck is she getting out of all of this?

Publicity r546. She’s a nobody who got herself a famous husband and ever since they got engaged she’s been famewhoring like a Z list reality “celeb”. No dignity, no class. Regardless of her profession she’s just as grimy as every other desperate climber.

Della, we're on the same page then (it's R512.) I think William, perhaps even slightly more than Harry, saw a ton of shit go down during the demise of his parents' marriage, saw his mother truck with too many flakes and users, was exposed to emotional meltdowns by his mother that she shouldn't have exposed him to, saw Diana's manipulations and Charles' retaliations and the ugliness of media and the destruction caused at their hands and by trying to pull their strings. So Megantoinette, so obvious, so odious, must push so many buttons.

I also imagine that explains a lot of the attraction to the Middletons. They must seem - presumably are - so normal compared to... everything William has ever know, for good and for ill. I can see Kate just finding Meagain completely alien and kind of repellant. And I can see William being defensive and tough as a result, and perhaps sometimes harshly so. He went through a lot, too. Harry was a child, William not really much more when she died but far enough along in maturing for it all to have had the effective of making him guarded and defensive.

As a Canadian, R536, let me make something plain: there are no Canadian princes or princesses. Titles do not exist in Canada. Canadians are prohibited by law from accepting British titles and have been since early in the last century.

HRH Anne, Duchess of Green Gables.

No.

R549 - Someone had to tell him.

Clooney exposed himself with his marriage. When it was announced and her age and CV were revealed, I thought, if she were all that she wouldn't be hungry to marry Clooney. I can see what he thinks he's getting out of it - can tell the world he's marrying a woman of substance instead of a twink. Very quickly it became clear she was just another show pony.

All these years of Clooney getting good PR and knowing how to play it. WTF happened? He was never really tested?

R549 and R551 the amount of stupid on these threads continues to amaze me so good for you in trying to hold back the tide.

I loved the detail of the Clooneys bickering during the wedding (from the Tatler article). Nice slap on the wrist, and hopefully will prevent George from running his mouth to the media again. Interesting how suddenly the Clooneys have infiltrated the BRF: wedding guests, shower invitee, loaned personal jet, speaking out against the media vs. MM, suddenly active in and given a major role in Charles’ charity. This reeks as much as the Smollett case.

[quote]Very quickly it became clear she was just another show pony.

Amen.

The law or rule or whatever that the BRF or sovereign has ultimate custody of all royal children has never been tested in the modern era and never will be. If put to the test, the BRF would have to fold or be ridiculed (at best) or destroyed. And the law, rule, tradition, etc. would be quickly undone.

Wrong! Canada is a Commonwealth country. As such, it has princesses. Face it, you're just jealous of Meghan's success and want to see her fail.

R557 - Will someone kick the moronic trolls off this site?

Pakistan is a Commonweatlh country, too. Maybe Harry's kids could be princes and princesses of Pakistan!

Shit, you tard, they aren't even going to be princes and princesses of Great Britain because the fucking Queen has withheld the fucking Letters Patent that would have made them fucking HRHs because they aren't fucking entitled to it automatically because the fucking automatic HRH stops with the eldest male grandchild in the male line.

Yeah, and Harry is going to stand as an MP for the Borough of Kensington in the next few weeks, win, and challenge Boris Johnson or Michael Gove or Andrea Leadsom for the PMship. He's going to win that, too, and move Megsy and Lady Diana or Earl Dumbarton into 10 Downing Street, where Meghan has been seen measuring the drapes.

THAT's why they aren't at Frogmore Cottage yet!

What were the Clooneys allegedly bickering about? Was it revealed?

George wanted to wear the hat.

Church makes George horny. He wanted to rub one out. Naturally Amal got upset when he started to grope himself.

R558 ande R60. lMAO

George is advising Harry about his political future. It's making a lot of people nervous, as you can see in this thread.

Lol r560.

Seriously though, what happened to Clooney? He's cringeworthy now. Can't he take his millions and go away?

R564, I'd blame Meghan or the Meghan effect, but he really started to slide down hill when he got married. Of course, and perfectly karmically, that marriage was intended to level him even further up.

It's kind of like the Angie effect. When Jolie booked the Tourist with Johnny Depp, he was still Johnny Depp. Of course him agreeing to do a film with Jolie was already a shaky idea - you could feel the upper rung on the ladder start to crack a bit. But he was still cool with his eyeliner and tatoos and quirky wardrobe. Once that film was done and he was cringing on the red carpet next to her, bloated in denim on denim, some of it tucked in, and some asinine hat, he was done.

I don't know if the Meghans and Angies of this world are the causes or just the symptoms (or canaries in the coal mine).

They will be King and Queen of India one day.

Clooney takes himself very seriously and I don't know why... his theatrics after Diana's death were so distasteful... so celebrity.

R557 I’ll type this slowly because you obviously read with your finger on the text while mouthing the words.

You’re wrong. Again. And a fucking imbecile. As always.

I am well aware that Canada is a Commonwealth country. I love how you American posters have just discovered the Commonwealth. It’s so sweet.

The Comonwealth is largely comprised of republics. A number of constituent (its a big word - Google it) countries such as Canada and Australia have HM the Queen as head of state. As such she is also Queen of Canada and Queen of Australia (for these two examples). However none of her family with royal titles and styles are also Princes or Princesses of those countries. For example the Prince of Wales isn’t Prince of Canada or Prince of Australia (the above two examples again).

If you think that any of HM’s descendants are also Princes or Princesses of her Commonwealth realms then you’re deluded.

But we all already knew that.

Marry me, R558!

The fake, wobbly belly.

I think 'ol George began to believe his own publicity.

The pictures of him and that fame whore wife of his, whose laser eyed gleam to each and every camera in range is really creepy - what do you suppose goes through George's mind? Assuming he has any thoughtful thoughts.

Can people like GC really see themselves?

R570 That's hilarious. As we all know, women who are 8 months pregnant and wearing stilettos find it a breeze to squat all the way down and spring right back up...

R546, go back to Stormfront, please.

I don’t understand that cowpoke, long stride walk she’s doing.

I swear no matter what she’s doing, she looks like she’s trying to get fucked. Not in a sexy way, but in a cheap, desperate, “take all comers” kind of way.

She’s so gross.

Wouldn't it be hysterical if the Clooneys are just using Sparkles to get a toe in the gilded doors of the BRF. (Of course, hefty payments to charity, too.) And, after Meghan's fall, they'll have nothing to do with her.

I wonder how aware Meghan of this extremely probable scenario. If so, her failing to follow the most ridiculous protocol mandates makes her more reckless than modern. Everything she has is tied to him. No Harry, it's back to gig economy for her. As many have mentioned, there's transition money, set for life money and A-list money. If she leaves, she'll go the way of Fergie. If she's still young-looking and attractive, some high-end escorting could add some dough, but she is aging out that quickly.

Why is George Clooney acting like he has always been a close friend of Meghan Markle? He didnt even know she existed until she snagged Harry! Defending her with a lap dog loyalty and making itcseem they have been friends since way before ?

For the poster who said that PH was going to get the title of Duke of Edinburgh when Philip dies , no he won.t . It will go to the duke of Wessex prince Edward If HM is still alive . When she is dead Charles will have title and he can pass it on to Edward .

Edward is the Earl of Wessex.

What's this nonsense talk related to MeAgain and princesses and princes in Canada? She only had a working visa /permit there. No doubt that's expired.

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^^^^ should read "buck and doe"

To those who think William is spiteful and mean, I disagree. He is the 2iC of a wealthy, powerful but completely dodgy family firm, much like the Mafia. And like the Mafia, the BRF cannot stand too much scrutiny into their affairs. MM is effectively a Mafia wife who is not toeing the line and keeping her head down; au contraire, she is causing a worldwide spotlight to shine down upon them all. Harry is his dim, out-of-control brother who is being led around by the balls by his flaky wife. If this were really the Mafia, MM would end up like poor Adriana in the Sopranos.

R578 you’re right Edward is the earl of Wessex not the duke . My mistake .

Harry was actually extremely well-liked by staff before his marriage. No airs, one of the boys. But apparently since his marriage, he has become petulant and demanding.

All pictures of MM are obviously faked. This includes videos and any image whatsoever and howsoever produced.

Also wheresoever and whensoever - all fake I tell you.

There are a lot of dumb fucking fraus in this thread.

R578 - Edward was promised the Duke of Edinburgh's title when Philip passes, which is why he opted for the Earl of Wessex title rather than another royal dukedom upon his marriage, when those dukedoms are conferred. This meant that his children, who were technically entitled to HRHs at birth as grandchildren of the monarch, took subsidiary titles: his son is Viscount Severn and his daughter Lady Louise Windsor. However, that was long before William had children, and Philip's title now may be held back for Prince Louis upon his marriage.

George Clooney has always toyed with entering politics. In America, however, he knew that being the Hot Bachelor at 40 and running for office at 60 as the Hot Bachelor, without a wife and family, he'd instead be an object of suspicion. Amal was part of his strategy just in case he did decide to run for office, and since she and Meghan are off the same assembly line (A List Or Die!) , Amal was perfect for his purposes. A nobody dying to be somebody who needed an A List husband, preferably one with enough money to fund her sartorial delusions of grandeur, Clooney was perfect for her.

The Cambridge fued with the Cholmondleys (or however you spell it) is getting dishier. A British food critic tweeted that "of course there was an affair. Everyone knows it". Link to Celebitchy, but it has a screen grab of the tweet.

*feud, of course.

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British people, who is Giles Coren?

He’s the son of writer / satirist / columnist Alan Coren and brother of Victoria Coren-Mitchell. He did the Supersize Me food shows with Sue Perkins.

Giles Coren is Cotswolds set, not Norfolk. He's a food and drinks writer, and restaurant critic for the Times.

R591, that article is from November. Did you mean to link to something more recent?

Me Again put out that Charles was especially fond of her early on, before her chronic lying became obvious to the media. It's been adopted as true. "Well, Charles likes her for some reason." And that Tatler bullshit that Harry and his father are closer than ever. Obviously, Tatler is having us on at times.

A not-so-blind from CDAN, today.

R574, did you ever see the gif of her from her acting days. She spies a camera, and her face transforms to a blow job face. She throws back her head, runs her tongue across her teeth, makes kiss face. I mean even if you turn it on for the camera all the time why THAT?

R575 I think a bunch of trashy people are trying to use Meghan to get into the BRF at large, because she's so thirsty. So are they, but she doesn't see it, because they are what she aspires to be (despite being married to Harry) and they are looking past her to the real deal. IMO they will all get the boot when this thing plays out.

I just don't get these "sexy" and " hot girl" tags, she had / has , or that she still plays up to. She's so far from sexy and hot , it's untrue. Surely men don't like that look ? That essence of character? I have sexy and hot girlfriends, and they are "wow" , but don't play that side of themselves up. Nor do they look like SpongeBob SquarePants, like madam does.

R589 I can't find the Giles Coren post. Possibly it's been deleted, or it wasn't real. Nonetheless, it's funny reading the thread with Hadley Freeman, Jane Merrick and the author of the Times article Sarah Money-Coutts.

It's seems there's something juicy behind the Turnip Toff story that those in the know can read. It makes me wonder what to make of all the references to the age difference between the Cholmondeleys, Rose in that pink swimsuit and her liberal upbringing. Is that code for "she's a man stealing sex pot whose husband can't satisfy her anymore so she's picked up with William."

Correction to R601: Sophia Money-Coutts

Straight men don't pick apart women or zoom in on and analyse every little percieved flaw.

They look at the 'whole'. They see pretty, shiny, brown eyes, cute lips, nice smile, tawny skin that makes her look younger than her age-mate kate, long thin legs, plump bum, boobs etc etc

You can hardly compare her to Kate (although I know you aren't. Are you? ) Two totally different women. I think Sporty Kate is sexy. Probably especially in the circles she is used to. I don't see Meghan as sexy. I'm the post with a Yachter girlfriend, and I honestly cannot think she made much of a living doing that, unless is was all the Porta Pottie stuff. My girlfriend doesn't do that. Well, she says, and I do believe her, as she tells me all the other gory and quite astonishing details.

Sorry, I'm the poster. Not post *sigh*

I trust nothing out of the Cotswolds, the Harkles are hell bent on trashing the Cambridges and it'll be fun to see when they pay for it.

One of my guy friends refers to Prince William as "the one with the hot wife."

Did anyone read that article about what a yacht schedule is really like for a girl? You CAN yacht without having sex with somebody, but it is absolutely not what it's portrayed as in soap operas - kind of being glamorous arm candy. It's all the girls bunking in in one hotel room, hours of "work" are all in the middle of the night. If you show up just to dress up the boat for the boat's guests, you'll only make what you were paid to fly out and be there. If you have sex, then a fee is brokered.

The whole yacht thing is really that these "yachts" are floating bordellos. It's not generally some rich guy with a yacht who pays girls to have sex with him and his friends. It's a freaking business. There are people who have yachts and then charge men who want to be on the yacht, and they provide girls. So even if you're yachting there is no way of knowing if the guy you sleep with is actually rich or just had the money to pay the owner of the yacht for this particular outing.