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Motley Crue "The Dirt" on Netflix

Although I wasn't a huge Crue fan I did love hair bands back in my teen years in the mid to late 80's so I may check this out.

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by Anonymousreply 157May 26, 2021 3:51 AM

I'm not feeling the guy playing Vince Neil but I guess his look is hard to emulate

by Anonymousreply 1March 22, 2019 6:41 AM

These guys are making me horny, just started watching it and they are kind of hot

by Anonymousreply 2March 22, 2019 7:25 AM

I fucking despised hair metal then and fucking despise it now.

And no. Guys with ratted out, hair sprayed lady hair, makeup, and leopard spotted pants are not hot. At all.

I always though grunge was overrated, but was overjoyed when it supplanted this supremely shitty music.

by Anonymousreply 3March 22, 2019 7:53 AM

Who plays Tommy Lee’s cock?

by Anonymousreply 4March 22, 2019 7:58 AM

Mötley Crüe was a very hot back when some of us were 7 to 11 yoa. We had to choose between that creepy thing Michael Jackson, that other weirdo Prince or actually fun/dangerous/sexy(for a kid) groups who at the time seemed exciting. For the life of me, I will never understand the MJ fanatics. I much preferred Whitesnake, Def Leppard, Guns n Roses, Poison, etc. Some songs do not hold up, but some do ("Here I go Again", "Love bites", "Every Rose"). That said, few are as embarrassing as "Man in the Mirror" or "Black or White".. MJ was a sales juggernaut for sure, but many of us kids did not care about him one way or the other. Woke (cool/chill/edgy - choose your poison) kids were into more unique music.

by Anonymousreply 5March 22, 2019 8:16 AM

That said, I couldn't get enough of Whitney Houston - who sang like some sort of angel from heaven. She goes down as the greatest voice that I have ever heard to date and I doubt that any will best her's.

by Anonymousreply 6March 22, 2019 8:26 AM

r3 Jon Bon Jovi and Kip Winger were gorgeous back then, they weren't all ugly

by Anonymousreply 7March 22, 2019 9:22 AM

Bret Michaels, Sebastian Bach and Jani Lane were pretty hot also - BACK in the day.

by Anonymousreply 8March 22, 2019 9:28 AM

I thought it was fun, a lot of naked boobies which we are the wrong audience for but the band members are also half dressed

by Anonymousreply 9March 22, 2019 4:50 PM

Rumer Willis would have made a good Nikki Sixx

by Anonymousreply 10March 22, 2019 4:57 PM

Didn’t know Jeff Tremaine directed this plus it’s got Iwan Rheon. Must watch it.

by Anonymousreply 11March 22, 2019 5:02 PM

[quote]plus it’s got Iwan Rheon

I liked his grumpy Mick Mars

by Anonymousreply 12March 23, 2019 4:40 AM

OP, are you a gay male? I cannot imagine a gay man liking hair metal. It’s dumbfounding actually.

by Anonymousreply 13March 23, 2019 4:47 AM

R13 = Tommy lol

by Anonymousreply 14March 23, 2019 4:54 AM

Yes I am r13. I never cared about Judy or Liza or Gaga. We all like different things.

by Anonymousreply 15March 23, 2019 5:02 AM

The oddly sexy and hung Machine Gun Kelly plays the definitely sexy and hung Tommy Lee, which might cause some kind of giant dick-time warp.

by Anonymousreply 16March 23, 2019 5:27 AM

And r16 he runs around half naked a lot, not that I am complaining

by Anonymousreply 17March 23, 2019 11:12 PM

And Douglas Booth's ass gets a starring role!

by Anonymousreply 18March 23, 2019 11:14 PM

There is just as much naked male ass as there are naked female boobies. The movie people didn’t scrimp on the wig department, they all look d pretty good except for the Pete Davidson character. Although his Picasso face distracts from the hair.

by Anonymousreply 19March 24, 2019 4:29 AM

The guy playing Vince Neil was not good looking enough. Half of Motley Crue’s appeal was they were incredibly hot scumbags who were unrepentant rock stars.

The book is one of the only books I’ve ever read where I actually felt nauseated while reading.

by Anonymousreply 20March 24, 2019 4:40 AM

What book R20?

by Anonymousreply 21March 24, 2019 4:48 AM

The Dirt. It was a gross book. There were graphic descriptions of every bodily fluid and they were so gross to groupies. Whoever played Nikki was hot as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 22March 24, 2019 4:55 AM

r21 the book is 'The Dirt' that this Netflix movie is based on, written by Nikki Sixx

Vince Neil wasn't good looking enough in this and Mick Mars was too good looking

by Anonymousreply 23March 24, 2019 4:56 AM

I loved Motley Crue back in the day. I went to a bunch of their shows, had all of their albums. I like all the music back then, when we had a variety. I have an older sister that was int hair metal bands, so I liked them too. I'm looking forward to watching The Dirt when I have the time to sit and enjoy it. I've listened to about have the album so far. Good new music mixed in with the old.

by Anonymousreply 24March 24, 2019 5:00 AM

I'm gay and I loved KISS, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Scorpions etc. then in the 90s I loved Faith No More, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots.

I also appreciated Judy, Liza, Cher, Babs and Bette as well as cast albums

You can love both. But I still listen to rock more so than the divas.

not the OP

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by Anonymousreply 25March 24, 2019 5:08 AM

Mick Marrs must've been really hard to cast. Really bizarre looking guy.

by Anonymousreply 26March 24, 2019 5:17 AM

Lame!

by Anonymousreply 27March 24, 2019 5:19 AM

My favorite track off The Herion Diaries. I like Sixx: A.M. as a band.

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by Anonymousreply 28March 24, 2019 5:23 AM

Well hello, Nikki.....

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by Anonymousreply 29March 24, 2019 5:28 AM

The narration totally turned me off this movie. When the whole movie is narrated they aren’t even trying.

by Anonymousreply 30March 24, 2019 5:42 AM

Who plays Pam Anderson?

Do they go into making that porn tape?

by Anonymousreply 31March 24, 2019 6:21 AM

r31 they only show Heather Locklear

by Anonymousreply 32March 24, 2019 6:44 AM

The Neely O’Hara of 80s television ^

by Anonymousreply 33March 24, 2019 7:00 AM

Ozzy snorted ants and drank his urine

by Anonymousreply 34March 24, 2019 8:35 AM

And he drank Nikki Sixx's urine.

I loved the book, but even with all the debauchery in the Netflix movie, it still felt like a Lifetime Movie even if it didn't look like one. But glad it finally got mad.

My favorite Motley Crue song is one the wrote for a greatest hits package - Enslaved.

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by Anonymousreply 35March 24, 2019 9:31 AM

^made

by Anonymousreply 36March 24, 2019 9:32 AM

This was not good but I liked the cast.

by Anonymousreply 37March 24, 2019 9:39 AM

Aaron Carter as Tommy Lee, obviously.

by Anonymousreply 38March 24, 2019 9:41 AM

Guns N Roses was never hair metal, though. They were more heavy metal like Metallica, but with more British glam influences.

by Anonymousreply 39March 24, 2019 1:48 PM

every single actor who played a band member was more on point and riveting than the guy who played Freddie in BH.

by Anonymousreply 40March 24, 2019 5:47 PM

Agree r28. I liked the Heroin Diaries a lot. Felt bad for Nikki Sixx despite the assholery. He seems like he has some depth.

There was no earthly way to translate the book to the movie because they are the most unabashedly debauched people to ever tour, but they gave it the old college try. Agree with everyone re; vo narration, Mick M being too good looking and Vince not good looking enough, but in all, movie was ok. If you have a strong stomach, the book is great fun.

by Anonymousreply 41March 24, 2019 6:30 PM

Now I want to look up the actor who played Nikki, he was cute

by Anonymousreply 42March 27, 2019 3:13 AM

R40 totally! I think The Dirt showed only the very top layer of the debauchery but still, a compelling story

by Anonymousreply 43March 27, 2019 3:33 AM

[quote]Now I want to look up the actor who played Nikki, he was cute

Douglas is very good looking. He played Boy George in a TV movie years ago. Initially I felt Booth as Sixx was a miscast because I couldn't see him that way. Booth is a soft spoken, vegan, advocate but he was good.

by Anonymousreply 44March 27, 2019 3:50 AM

no Vanity so that's boring. She was Nikki's gf during 1987, his craziest year and was the one who introduced him to freebasing. They had a volatile relationship and not much in common besides getting high and liking sex.

by Anonymousreply 45March 27, 2019 3:52 AM

Well, I see Vince Neil slightly let himself go.

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by Anonymousreply 46March 28, 2019 1:05 PM

Is this the movie where the Crue covers Madonna's Like a Virgin?

by Anonymousreply 47March 28, 2019 1:28 PM

It's on the soundtrack, but it's not in the movie.

by Anonymousreply 48March 28, 2019 1:33 PM

Glad I bypassed this garbage. I was a fan of all sort of unique British bands.

Never got the appeal of this trash: guys in makeup with teased fried looking hair and spandex, they looked like street hookers! Honestly what a ridiculous image and their music was crap too.

A far as American bands of that era, Jane's Addiction, X, Alice in Chains and many others were more appealing and their music had more substance. I also can't understand how gay men would enjoy a band like Motley Crue. Songs about fucking women etc. What's the appeal for gay men?

by Anonymousreply 49March 28, 2019 1:37 PM

r46 I hope that's photoshopped because he looks 9 months pregnant

by Anonymousreply 50March 28, 2019 2:27 PM

THEY. WERE.GOODLOOKING. ASSHOLES. R49. They were trashy, thrash glam rock and Led Zeppelin levels of debauch. Of course the bands you named are better, but Motley Crue also never took themselves too seriously. They were fun shitty dirtbags. If you don’t get the appeal of a real bad boy, then you’re not going to appreciate them.

by Anonymousreply 51March 29, 2019 4:31 AM

Tommy Lee looked extremely rough in recent years, but what the hell did he do to his face?! He doesn't even look like himself. Men shouldn't get eye jobs. It wrecks their looks.

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by Anonymousreply 52March 29, 2019 5:25 AM

The wig and just-for-men drugstore beard dye job ruin it for me.

by Anonymousreply 53March 29, 2019 5:33 AM

R39 GnR are just old fashioned hard rock. The best band of that genre to come out of that era.

by Anonymousreply 54March 29, 2019 5:34 AM

I stopped watching the movie after 5 minutes when a guy was going down on a woman in a party and she squirted all over everyone. Gross.

by Anonymousreply 55March 29, 2019 8:02 AM

[quote]OP, are you a gay male? I cannot imagine a gay man liking hair metal. It’s dumbfounding actually.

What a load of nonsense. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 56March 29, 2019 8:09 AM

[quote]every single actor who played a band member was more on point and riveting than the guy who played Freddie in BH.

Oh, man. You said it. I was thinking the exact same thing. This was actually not bad. I usually don’t compare movies but since this is also a biopic, I can make an exception. BH was hot garbage FIRE. I didn’t even make it to the end because I was so shocked at how mediocre it and Malek truly are. I mean...it was Lifetime network bad.

And I was as shocked by how much I enjoyed “Dirt.” Besides the narration--I never been a fan of it--it flowed well and the dialogue was not cringe-worthy like BH. And the performances were so much better--especially Boothe and Machine-gun Kelly. Even Rheon. It's NOT Oscar bait and never pretends to be. I can respect that.

R56 some old queens just CANNOT grasp the concept of not every gay person loving disco. It blows their FUCKING mind. Too many poppers--I guess.

by Anonymousreply 57March 29, 2019 9:50 AM

R54 GN’R were manufactured cookie-cutter radio-rock by Gef fen, bluesy country mixed in with some sneery childish punk to sell records to kids. They were so calculated from looks to sound to PR. Musak for NPCs.

by Anonymousreply 58April 22, 2019 1:38 PM

So to be clear, there is no gay sex in The Dirt?

I don’t want to queue it up if there’s nary a flicker of homoerotic content.

by Anonymousreply 59May 20, 2019 10:01 AM

r59 did you really expect a movie about a band that hetero guys like is going to have a scene like that?

by Anonymousreply 60May 20, 2019 10:35 AM

[quote] MJ was a sales juggernaut for sure, but many of us kids did not care about him one way or the other. Woke (cool/chill/edgy - choose your poison) kids were into more unique music.

I agree. I didn't care about Michael Jackson at all, but hair metal was hardly edgy or cool. In its heyday it was cheesy-- long before the word "cheesy" even was in widespread use.

by Anonymousreply 61May 20, 2019 10:43 AM

[quote] I like Sixx:A.M. as a band.

Oh DO ya, R28 ?

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by Anonymousreply 62June 9, 2019 10:23 PM

The movie was nowhere near as salacious and debauched as the book. As r20 says it’s hard to read and not feel sick by their behaviour. But like everyone else I read it cover to cover.

by Anonymousreply 63June 9, 2019 10:41 PM

It makes me laugh that such pains were taken not to mention any of the ages of the band members except Mars. Nikki, we all know you were almost 30 starting Motley and only your vanity (hah) prevents you admitting that fact leading to an epiphany that no-one particularly gives a care besides you.

What I didn't appreciate was the cool handwaving of Vince & Nikki's tempestuous relationship. IRL they spent years storming and swooning around each other like a married couple (and either did have or almost had threesomes at one stage early in their career), but as THE DIRT would have it they barely interacted at all - nothing beyond a few head-nods and handshakes. The only intimation in THE DIRT of the real-life power-play bond they had between them is the scene where they first meet, when Vince comes to audition; Nikki is first to greet him at the door with a predatory smirk, and within seconds sidles up next to him with approving gaze while in the same breath telling Vince's gf of the hour to fuck off as if he's jealous.

Nikki had the lion's share of creative control over THE DIRT so I have to assume he chose to make the show play this way deliberately. Hmmm.

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by Anonymousreply 64June 9, 2019 10:52 PM

I’ve heard that Nikki is bi or at least has a thing for certain guys but keeps those desires under lock & key because they don’t fit his image. Can anyone verify? I’d love to ask Kat Von D what his exact deal is, and I’ll bet Vanity (RIP) knew the whole score.

Sixx had the impunity to shit on Prince while he was still living and even once called him (I’m paraphrasing) a “greaseball has-been” so I’m not here for his mess.

Vince seems nice and I feel sorry for him.

by Anonymousreply 65June 10, 2019 12:01 PM

Vince Neil drove drunk, got into a car accident which killed his passenger and caused brain damage in the two people in the other car. I’m sure he’s very remorseful but he’s no saint either r65.

The only one that seems remotely decent is Mick Mars.

by Anonymousreply 66June 10, 2019 12:20 PM

The Crue had a handful of good singles but that's about it. I don't have any problem with anyone who liked these bands but if you're talking actual musical talent, MJ and Prince both have at least two dozen songs that are better than any one song released by any hair band, Crue included. The only thing that comes close is a couple GnR songs but I don't really consider them hair metal. No one in commercial rock has ever done it as good as Zeppelin.

by Anonymousreply 67June 10, 2019 12:35 PM

R66 try again. Mars is said to have an illegitimate daughter (not Stormy he disowned for no reason. He also dates College girls (or was 10 years ago).

It's a shame about his degenerative disease, though, so maybe I don't blame him so much for trying to organise his life for maximum enjoyment. To give him credit he is a better technical musician than either Nikki or Vince (and maybe even Tommy on his bad days), and doesn't seem to share his bandmates' reckless disregard for others' safety or wellbeing. Still, he was kind of a drunken ass for years and is certainly 'no saint'. He was barely featured in this biopic relatively-speaking despite his major contribution to the MC sound, so he got off pretty lightly all things considered.

by Anonymousreply 68June 10, 2019 1:01 PM

[quote] Vince & Nikki's tempestuous relationship. IRL they spent years storming and swooning around each other like a married couple (and either did have or almost had threesomes at one stage early in their career), but as THE DIRT would have it they barely interacted at all - nothing beyond a few head-nods and handshakes.

There were two or three little looks and moments that were sort of flirtatious, from a certain point of view. Blink-and-you'll-miss it, but they're there.

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by Anonymousreply 69June 10, 2019 2:09 PM

[quote] No one in commercial rock has ever done it as good as Zeppelin.

I’m??

by Anonymousreply 70June 10, 2019 3:07 PM

Dougie Booth looks more like Steve Clark than Karl Geary, the guy who played him in HYSTERIA!. And neither of them resemble Sixx much.

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by Anonymousreply 71June 10, 2019 4:53 PM

I don't think that Vince and Nikki liked each other at all. Vince didn't seem to like any of these guys, and they didn't like him. Early on, Vince was friends with his old high school buddy Tommy, but that eventually turned sour, too.

Mick was a drunk. In the book, he admits that he rushed to marry a younger woman because he thought it would be his last chance to get with a good-looking woman. She later divorced him and took him to the cleaners. I don't think they mentioned that in the movie, though.

by Anonymousreply 72June 10, 2019 5:05 PM

[quote] I don't think that Vince and Nikki liked each other at all. Vince didn't seem to like any of these guys, and they didn't like him.

They aren't buddies of the type who'd go drinking or fishing together and that's for sure, but Nikki & Vince definitely have some sort of fascinated connection that falls somewhere between adoration & hateful obsession depending on the day. Disliking someone or feeling apathetic about a friendship usually makes a person avoidant or dismissive enough that they move on from the other person totally; if anything Nikki & Vince have deliberately gotten in each other's way and in each other's ear over the years. I think from outside observation and from watching/reading 'The Dirt' it's more likely that they hate each other on some level while loving each other too, whether fraternally or some other way. Remember that it was Nikki who lobbied for Vince to audition for the band and also for him to return after he was fired, while the others didn't care either way. Similarly, Vince has gone on record saying he had a depressive-hysterical meltdown when he heard about Nikki's near-death on the news.

And I've never heard Mars say a bad or cross word about Vince (even when it would have been warranted) but feel free to prove me wrong.

[quote] Early on, Vince was friends with his old high school buddy Tommy, but that eventually turned sour, too.

They fell out for two legit reasons: that Vince had fucked Pam before Tommy met and fell in love with her, which nobody let either of them forget about and consequently created much awkward tension, and.; when Vince returned to Crue in September 1996 (at the insistence of lawyers, managers, and Nikki to a certain extent) Tommy's buddy John Corabi who was in to replace Vince as the vocalist on GENERATION SWINE lost out on a high-profile paying gig and a chance to go on the road playing in Tommy's band (legend has it Tommy took John out for dinner the night their agents broke the news and cried over their sushi about how it all shook out). Even though Tommy divorced Pam and Vince got on with Corabi very well with no hard feelings, the damage was already done to that friendship. However, were it not for those two unfortunate happenstances they'd still be close friends to this day as they liked each other a lot as young men and hung out all the time. Given the scrappy close-knit and often tough nature of life in a touring band you don't get someone the gig in your group in the first place if you can't fucking stand them or if you don't think you could love them.

In their MC tenures both were raging alcoholics with bad tempers who used women and treated them poorly, so that was hardly a bone of contention.

by Anonymousreply 73June 10, 2019 6:29 PM

R68 I had no clue about Mars. He doesn’t feature too much in the book either. He seems to stay out of the spotlight as much as possible, it seems. I assumed it was because, unlike fame whore Tommy, he didn’t want the attention but maybe he just didn’t want the scrutiny. I knew he drank, but that just seemed self destructive. I had no idea about college girls and the disowning of kids. I guess he’s as flawed and immature as Tommy and Vince even though he’s at least 150 years old.

by Anonymousreply 74June 10, 2019 9:56 PM

ok but in all seriousness...where is the Warrant biopic with DL favorite Jani Lane, and how much will we be paid to write it?

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by Anonymousreply 75June 11, 2019 8:02 AM

R69 if Crue/Nikki were media-savvy and not older than dirt (hahaha) they’d have added scenes which played up the homoerotic angles in their relationships, to feed the tumblr hyenas and garner a few million more hits I.e. press.

But they’re ancient stupid homophobes (especially Tommy who beat his gay son) and insecure about themselves even at their senior ages so of course they didn’t.

FWIW I think a wasted Nikki probably at least messed around with both Tommy & Vince in the past and just refuses to acknowledge it or bring it to conscious lsight. Or just doesn’t remember. Like a poster upthread said, sometime in the early 80s Nikki was 5 minutes away from a threesome with Vince and one of his gfs when they were stumbling home drunk from The Rainbow/Cathouse on the strip (the story is in more than one rock bio).

by Anonymousreply 76June 11, 2019 12:57 PM

I’m curious why GN’R didn’t appear as a cameo. That would have been money, their fandom is considerably larger than Crüe’s.

Maybe it’s because Mötley only did half a tour with them, and then Vince & Axl had that embarrassing catfight. Nikki is friends with Slash, Duff & Stevie though so he could have got around Axl, surely?

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by Anonymousreply 77June 11, 2019 7:34 PM

Some Nikki/Vince for R72

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by Anonymousreply 78June 11, 2019 11:22 PM

Had Vince been a woman, Nikki would have married and divorced her thrice by now.

by Anonymousreply 79June 12, 2019 8:26 AM

R77 Slash was featured in one scene passed out on a sofa but it was a blink and you'll miss it moment. Steven Adler too.

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by Anonymousreply 80June 12, 2019 8:43 AM

When calls for the inevitable GN’R biopic come up, I want Victor Rasuk for older Slash.

by Anonymousreply 81June 12, 2019 2:40 PM

OP just where are your umlauts?

by Anonymousreply 82June 12, 2019 5:06 PM

Like a lot of posters here I thought it was enjoyable fluff with cute guys in the lead, but so tame. I wouldn't give my 12 year old niece Nikki's book to read until she was at least a few years (or several) older, but I'd be cool to let her watch most of the The Dirt without skipping much. Kids see way worse just casually cruising YouTube these days.

Actually it kind of bothered me a little that Crue just came over like fun harmless adorable delinquents in this, even justified when hitting women and assaulting civilians. Irl these guys were destructive assholes who made life difficult, stressful and miserable at best for everyone around them. They used, abused and stole from women in particular and this was never addressed which makes me reconsider my previous statement about letting my niece watch it (maybe as a cautionary tale). The guy playing their manager in The Dirt was the closest this show got to an admission of that reality; he says something like "the band put me through Hell" and looks resentfully at the camera with exhaustion.

by Anonymousreply 83June 13, 2019 11:59 AM

Nikki is really sexy but I also hate him?? as a person? just me???

like i'd want to punch his smug face more than smash. but, would still smash

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by Anonymousreply 84June 13, 2019 10:10 PM

Nikki’s book was all lies and exaggeration anyway, so it doesn’t matter if the script is ‘faithful’. Years ago Phil Lewis, lead singer of L.A. Guns and Nikki’s former bandmate in London, once called him out as a fabulist and implied Sixx was just a boring run-of-the-mill cokewhore like everyone else on that scene only he couldn’t handle it well. Tracii Guns, Phil’s longtime musical partner and Nikki’s onetime guitarist in the band Brides of Destruction, has also suggested before that Nikki tends to rework narratives to vilify others and exonerate or glamorise himself (he once accused Tracii of owing him money which Tracii has proven false).

Sixx is merely the forefather of Taylor Swift in that regard. They’re about on the same level of lyrical ability too, though Swifty is arguably better if you discount the whole ‘trying to copyright single words in the dictionary’ debacle.

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by Anonymousreply 85June 14, 2019 8:15 AM

[quote] Rumer Willis would have made a good Nikki Sixx.

R10 this is one project I would actually have been down to see Rule 63’d and I usually hate that shit. Straight genderswaps aren’t radical in general; but the glam overtones and femme-posturing clashing with the haywire testosterone-fuelled plot drivers in this biopic would create fascinating queer (like the oldschool way we mean it, not LGBTQA???WTF) shades and suggestions.

It’s interesting to consider how that would play. You could have women rerecord their songs for the OST, as Mötley had female artists like Cassadee Pope do to great success on their country covers album.

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by Anonymousreply 86June 14, 2019 5:58 PM

R31 conspicuously no mention is made of Pamela Anderson, THE pin-up American girl of the 1990s who is inarguably more famous and iconic than the band will ever be collectively or singly. Perhaps they wanted to avoid a lawsuit or getting mixed up in Pammy's current maelstrom.

All women are treated as props and punching-bags throughout THE DIRT, though. Neil’s unnamed girlfriend present at the time of the band’s formation, who despite apparently having a musical ear and some taste (she calls early Crue a shitty band to their face like a champ) is predictably vilified as an interfering myopic groupie bitch standing in the way of greatness i.e. “how dare this gash give an OPINION during OUR rehearsal”) and kicked out of the narrative. Tommy smacks his girl (to whom he’s supposedly in love with enough to wed) in the jaw for her insolence in criticising his raging Mommy issues in front of the rest of the band on their tour bus during a domestic argument, and after that Roxy would-be Lee is never seen or spoken of again. Neil’s Vegas wife Sharise is there merely as a mute cathartic crutch and obedient helpmeet for poor sad woobie Vince. Vanity, late ‘80s sex goddess of Prince legendarium and Nikki's gateway into the Occult, is not even namechecked once (IRL she’s dead and halfway-forgotten now, to further the indignity). Samantha Maloney, who literally worked as their drummer on the tour for NEW TATTOO (replacing an ill Randy Castillo, who was filling in for a jailed Tommy) and had an affair with a married Nikki is cut out altogether; as is Mick Mars' bastard daughter who suffers the same disease he does. Heather Locklear shows up but doesn't say or do anything as I recall. Nikki's disabled sister is a nameless phantom, and while his estranged mother is an unwelcome guest in one scene Sixx makes very short work of dispatching her out of the story presumably because she’s not a person who matters and unlike all the other females will not show us her tits and moan ecstatically while our hero deep-dicks her (that's about the only gross thing Crue never did).

All this to say that for a band obsessed with women, who wrote songs about them (remember they jizzed out the worthless 'Girls, Girls, Girls') and fucked them as an addiction and dressed up like them and played shows to hordes of them night after night for decades, they sure aren’t a mite interested in them as individual people with agency figuring in their personal stories. There’s no chagrin, no angst, no apologies, no questions or answers surrounding any women in this movie; the boys just let them say one thing and move right along. Essentially they (r: Nikki) can’t bear to share the spotlight with females more culturally-powerful or popular or important than they were.

I'll leave it at that but I could go on and on. Like Nikki does about everything else.

by Anonymousreply 87June 16, 2019 9:59 AM

R87 the book/movie is about the guys in the band. Period. End of story. The females are peripheral characters.

You sound personally insulted but these guys were misogynistic hos.

by Anonymousreply 88June 16, 2019 10:40 AM

I want a KISS biopic.

A good one.

by Anonymousreply 89June 16, 2019 11:32 AM

R77 Vince Neil is such a bubble gum bitch. Who is she?? 👀 I hate her 👀👀

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by Anonymousreply 90June 16, 2019 11:53 AM

Who is the beautiful brunette? Sixx or Lee?

by Anonymousreply 91June 16, 2019 12:53 PM

R82 we’re giving them back to Motörhead, their original rightful owners.

by Anonymousreply 92June 16, 2019 2:50 PM

R91 you must mean 30-something British model & thesp Douglas Booth, who plays Nikki.

His costumery is godsawful, really. Not only is he far too pretty to play Sixx, but he is dolled up all wrong - not like a demonic cirque Harlequin but rather like he’s 18 and doing his first dragshow in an Elvira wig. The cheap get-up and apathetic anodyne character work together to really kill the meaty scenes he’s in.

It's a pity as he has been known to act well in other projects, seems a lovely guy irl and is quite beautiful especially for a Brit (jawline to die for). He was fine in the ensemble scenes here too, but when it came to the crunch of getting across the heart of Crue & Sixx's vision was horribly miscast in terms of intensity.

by Anonymousreply 93June 16, 2019 3:57 PM

Brutally, spiky Daniel Webber as Vince Neil doesn’t look or carry himself much like his given role either - the real Vince is more California-dippy and has a warmer friendlier if more distant demeanour - but as Neil is the one who goes through the most in the movie Webber gets more chances to show off his acting chops proving he’s up to the challenge of surviving emotional wreckage (and he is up to it).

In fact the best moment in the movie is Webber's; rehearsing for the TOP tour manager Doc tries to get Vince fired up to promote and perform a new album and Vince responds acidly and with a bone-deep entitled weariness like only a put-upon diva can, “[we have] 2 decent songs, the rest is pure shit. Believe me, I know. I’m gonna be the only one sober up there every night trying to sell it.” I believe him.

Webber also handles his grief-porn scenes about Vince's daughter admirably well and with sensitivity in spite of the janky-ass writing (thanks, Nikki). It makes perfect sense watching Webber's bereaved Vince, who can’t take the added insult of his bandmates’ ongoing junk habits anymore, throwing in the towel.

by Anonymousreply 94June 16, 2019 4:27 PM

Nikki wrote Vince as Kelly Bundy, basically

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by Anonymousreply 95June 16, 2019 4:57 PM

R93 fyi Douglas Booth is only in his mid-20s. He’ll turn 27 in a couple weeks.

But you’re right he wasn’t the right choice to play Nikki. I think Nikki chose Booth for ‘The Dirt’ out of vanity and idealised projection, if we’re honest. The real Nikki doesn’t have a sensitive gentle delicate air about him like Douglas. Did anyone else think that Booth & Webber playing Nikki & Vince came across more similar than different, even though the script called for them to perform as polar opposites?

Note that Booth *was* mesmerising playing as a young Boy George for the BBC in ‘Worried About the Boy’ (2010, when he was still a teen himself), it’s night & day to compare them as performances go.

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by Anonymousreply 96June 16, 2019 6:57 PM

[quote]fyi Douglas Booth is only in his mid-20s. He’ll turn 27 in a couple weeks.

Booth has been around forever and has looked the same forever that I keep forgetting that he's still young.

by Anonymousreply 97June 16, 2019 7:33 PM

Just figured out that Mick Mars was played by the dastardly Ramsay Bolton

by Anonymousreply 98June 16, 2019 9:13 PM

R88 true, if putting it mildly. Interesting that they’ve been thoroughly taken to task for that and yet almost every other rock band prior & contemporaneous to them have not.

Suprisingly in these days of MeToo there are Millennial & Gen Z girls online still thirsty obsessed with these guys like cult members and waving off their shenanigans. Crüe have wizened dicks by now but it doesn’t seem to deter the 16-28 year olds. Guess having cute prettyboys playing them on a trashy tv show helped popularity?

by Anonymousreply 99June 16, 2019 10:12 PM

R94 those Vince & Skylar scenes broke me. My favorite of the entire movie was their solo one where Vince puts her to bed. Whatever else we can naysay about The Dirt or Crüe or Neil (where does one begin?) there’s no question Vince loved that girl with every cell in his being and made sure that she knew it til the end (btw he has a couple of other ‘oops’ kids from when he was a teen not mentioned in The Dirt, but he seemed to care for Skylar more so...)

That subplot affected me on a personal level (I have a strained awkward undemonstrative adult relationship with my father) but also in an objective way. Even if one doesn’t believe in karma (and I do not) it somehow feels unfair to pillory Vince when you read and watch what horror his lovely little girl underwent. Skylar & Sharise & Vince suffered disproportionally one of the worst things humans currently go through, that one wouldn’t wish on anyone. It’s sad that none of the other members of Crüe reached out to the Neils in that time.

From Neil’s book, the moment Skylar dies:

[quote] And so Skylar slept. In the meantime, I sat in traffic on the Pacific Coast Highway and, for an instant, my heart jumped in my chest… I realized that when the woman that I loved most in the world left my heart knew it, and for a moment wanted to catch up with her and join her.

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by Anonymousreply 101June 17, 2019 12:11 AM

R100 Neil is a slightly better grand/father than Sixx, who basically dismissed and ignored his 16-and-pregnant daughter and heckled her for being a slut. But that’s a hell of a sliding curve. There was a Blabbermouth interview article years ago with Vince’s ex-wife Beth Lynn & daughter Elizabeth Wharton aka Elle Neil where they said that once Sharise came on the scene Vince essentially cut them off emotionally and financially (and in one story Vince came for a rare visit in the ‘90s only to bring Nikki with him and do drugs with baby Elle there). These aren’t the type of men who ought to be having a passel of offspring at all let alone broken families, yet they do.

Time flies, man. Just think: Elle is older than the main cast of The Dirt and she now has kids the same age Skylar was in the movie. Had Skylar lived she would have turned 28 this year, just a year younger than MGK (who has a 10y.o daughter himself) and one year older than Douglas Booth. The teens of today are younger than the kids of Crüe...:/

by Anonymousreply 102June 17, 2019 8:51 AM

This was surprisingly entertaining and I was REALLY impressed with MGK. I purposely missed the hair metal phase but I enjoyed the soundtrack. MC's first album is pretty good, actually.

by Anonymousreply 103June 17, 2019 9:20 AM

R69 (lol how apt) don’t forget their first gig scene. Vince growls at Nikki doing his makeup like he’s catcalling him, then later when they’re out on stage someone in the crowd says Vince looks like a girl and spits on his new expensive leather pants before trying to punch him so Nikki instantly and instinctively nails Vince’s heckler with his bass guitar (apparently he used to do that to audience members a lot).

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by Anonymousreply 104June 17, 2019 11:54 AM

R30 even worse than the hack voiceover narration are the couple of 4th wall moments that are so inconsistent and pointless yet ruin the entire POV of the movie. A 5th grader could have written better.

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by Anonymousreply 105June 17, 2019 11:57 AM

The guys playing Crue in this didn't have gay enough voices. Seriously, listen to Nikki in real life for comparison; he pings to the utmost and yet Douglas has him sounding like a gruff shy straight boy.

Also, weren't MC doing press rounds for The Dirt movie literally 5 or 6 years ago? During the time they were promoting their country album (2014) they kept mentioning the movie "coming out" like it was imminent.

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by Anonymousreply 106June 17, 2019 9:44 PM

Nikki sounds like an old queen most of the time. Didn't he turn tricks as a young runaway in LA?

by Anonymousreply 107June 17, 2019 11:38 PM

^^whaaat? seriously? Tell us everything you know R107!

by Anonymousreply 108June 17, 2019 11:56 PM

R85 S[HE’S] broken bec[A]use s[SAGITTARIUS]he believed.

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by Anonymousreply 109June 18, 2019 8:05 AM

R107 there’s a DL poster in the archives (at R35 in the link, from 10 years ago) who claims to have been fucking Nikki c.the early 2000s. No clue if this person posting is male but it sure seems that way. The evidence mounting up already..🧐🧐

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by Anonymousreply 110June 18, 2019 9:17 AM

R47 the ‘LAV’ cover Teenage Fanclub did in the 90s was so much better.

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by Anonymousreply 111June 18, 2019 7:10 PM

R105

Mick: I am at a loss for words Nikki, narrating: Despite being at a loss for words, Mick yelled at me for the next 45 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 112June 18, 2019 10:47 PM

R73/R79 in this timeline Vince & Nikki are the same calibre of awful and welcome to one another.

They make a cute couple. If they were gay and not the hetero parasites they seem to be I'd like them more. I'm sure in someone's parallel fanfuc universe they are vanilla 9-5 eldergays together picket-fence style.

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by Anonymousreply 113June 18, 2019 11:02 PM

Neeley & Chris at The Classic Metal Show podcast broke it down perfectly. It was treated cheaply and turned out far too light and fluffy, like “a Harry Potter movie”.

They point out the main flaws: the fucked timeline with 70% of relevant events & people conspicuously missing; lack of a clear POV; shoddy acting (except from MGK); the tiny universe with no external characters; zero dramaturgical research; cheap look and no budge with VH1-reality style sets; fakeout drama with no payoff; total lack of irony, and; lame grossout puerile humor (they compare it to Hot Tub Time Machine). All they praise is the cheese aspect which they think charming, though they go too far calling it “camp” (they’re straights, they don’t know what camp is).

I agree with them that the whole movie should rather have been a series and given a proper treatment from a writer/dramaturg before production as well as some decent money to make it look a little better than a Behind The Music. Another good point they make is that Nikki and his fictive version controls the entire narrative on and off-camera which shatters the cohesiveness of the piece, and that “Nikki dying was turned into a gag”. As a personal nitpick I’m sure I saw background extras playing audience members dressed in 21st C. clothes holding cellphones.

“You have an addict asshole; a killer; a wife-beater; and a guy that neglected one of his kids to the point that kid drowned in a fucking pool. You would file a petition to get these fucks out of your neighbourhood.”

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by Anonymousreply 114June 19, 2019 9:33 AM

When you were younger did you ever fantasize about being a chick that these type of guys wanted to bang?

by Anonymousreply 115June 19, 2019 12:46 PM

Oh hey Nikki @R115. Decent of you to slum it down here in the gay ghetto with us. How’s tricks? Or don’t we want to know?

By the by it’s none of your damn business who any of us want to fuck, you useless donkeybrained poseur. Or is it, and you’re trying to tell us something?

by Anonymousreply 116June 19, 2019 1:43 PM

These biopics tend to only play well when the subjects are obscure or broken up, retired, ancient or already dead - think THE TEMPTATIONS, WALK THE LINE, JERSEY BOYS, STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON, THE NEW EDITION STORY. Crue are still in their sprightly 50s & 60s and technically still a band who refuse to get in the box, which makes this project seem obnoxious as Motley fans are. I can think of fifty less popular but more interesting now-defunct bands that more warrant such a filmic retrospective. The CRUE UNCENSORED documentary they did for VH1 about ten years ago was more than adequate.

That - along with the censorship issues and the problems establishing a factual narrative - is the main reason why THE DIRT wouldn't ever have worked, even if were any good. The fans were the most invested people working on this and it shows. It's barely even a film, more like a tragic tv mockumentary.

by Anonymousreply 117June 19, 2019 7:42 PM

I was surprised it was so passive-aggressively preachy and moralising, almost Frau-like in its negativity. Like “if you whore around you’ll break up marriages, and if you leave your family and go out in tour you’ll get sick and lose your inspiration, and if you do drugs you’ll make little girls sad and then they’ll die”. The dramatic throughline was so distorted that unrelated events seemed connected, I.e. Nikki almost killing himself correlated with Skylar’s fatal illness (or was that just in Vince’s mind? I got confused).

The only parts I liked were scenes focused on Tommy. His character arc hit hardest and made most sense because he went from a pancake-eating impressionable manboy and friend-to-all-living-things who naively loved his slutty girlfriend, to a coke-vacuuming woman-smacking egomaniac who fucked over a good friend & bandmate because his druggy bestie told him to. The entire movie could have been more effective cut short to just that 10 minute ‘Day in the Life of a Rockstar’ sequence Tommy narrates; at least it had a style and clarity of storytelling, and plenty of charm.

by Anonymousreply 118June 19, 2019 9:23 PM

Tommy Lee’s sex tape made me realize I’m gay.

by Anonymousreply 119June 19, 2019 10:26 PM

With his size Tommy has probably had gay men throwing themselves at him for years. Hey, crosses to bear.

Tommy might not even be that averse to banging another guy. Ross Halfin even hinted in one of their books that he could see Tommy with Nikki sexually, or any of them with Nikki because apparently he had a kind of scary cultlike power over them.

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by Anonymousreply 120June 19, 2019 11:46 PM

Nikki is the smartest dumbass in a band of dumbasses. His Twitter is embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 121June 20, 2019 12:03 AM

R114 oooooooof.

Chris: “If you don’t like rockn’ roll...well, then what?”

Neeley: “Then lie about it and make money off of it, like Nikki.”

by Anonymousreply 122June 20, 2019 9:09 AM

They should have made a tasteful documentary, using found footage and interview/BTS clips so they could spend the budget on a talented director & editor.

Tracii Guns has an excellent documentary based on his life as a rocker, that played at legit festivals. It came out three years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 123June 20, 2019 9:29 AM

Nikki backtracks on everything R122 so it wouldn’t surprise me if 80% of ‘Heroin Diairies’ was made-up bullshit.

He also tries to retcon the fact Crue were less musicians than an image hairband fuelled by fanservice and catering to little girls’ complicated fantasies at the weird intersection between cosplay & men who objectify and exhibit themselves. I will give Sixx one intellectual credit for figuring that gimmickry out, and nothing more.

He’s probably lying about being hetero, too.

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by Anonymousreply 124June 20, 2019 3:53 PM

[quote] The movie is about the guys in the band. Period. End of story. The females are peripheral characters. You sound personally insulted.

It's not personal, my dear R88. I just don't like hypocrites who don't show respect where it's due.

These clowns wouldn't have a career at all let alone money in the bank without female fans buying their records and packing out their shows, female groupies building their following and keeping it alive (why don't you love yourselves, ladies?), girlfriends & strippers they stole food & clothes & cash from to keep them alive in the early days, and later on reality-style TV wives to keep them relevant and above MeToo suspicion. The majority of people who ever listened to or liked MC in their days as an active touring & recording band were women - just check out any concert footage from 1983-2006 if you don't believe it. If anything we can partially lay blame for their undeserved success at the feet of girls who should have seen through this bullshit like the later Riot & Lilith Fair gals did. MC as a collective owe everything good and valuable they've ever had to women in general yet treat them worse than mules, which leads me to believe that this is a source of shame for them hence their abuse and degradation of the females of the species.

[quote] Millennial & Gen Z girls online still thirsty obsessed with these guys like cult members and waving off their shenanigans. Crüe have wizened dicks by now but it doesn’t seem to deter the 16-28 year olds.

Oh my. These young women are literally old enough to be the daughters & granddaughters of these gross men. That is such an abhorrent thought. And anyway, isn't the 'Older Man' fantasy usually about a well-dressed well-educated suave type with movie-star good looks, not fat junky freaks?

by Anonymousreply 125June 20, 2019 7:54 PM

R101 Nikki & Tommy were hanging around set with both of them a lot too. Lot of fuck energy in those IG pics, just saying...

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by Anonymousreply 126June 20, 2019 11:48 PM

[quote] Halfin even hinted in one of their books that he could see Tommy with Nikki sexually, or any of them with Nikki because apparently he had a kind of scary cultlike power over them.

This carries over into the movie. Vince cravenly seeks validation from Nikki and takes a back-seat to him in almost all of their scenes (except the ones where he quits). Tommy just does whatever horrible thing Sixx instructs, whenever. Mick often resists but only passively and halfheartedly. It's pretty grim viewing.

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by Anonymousreply 127June 20, 2019 11:53 PM

R125 these girls were gonna do what they’re gonna do regardless..

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by Anonymousreply 128June 21, 2019 8:08 AM

Tasteful was never a word I would use for them so why should this be different? The band who bugged me was Poison, they basically just copied every Hair Band trope in order to get famous.

by Anonymousreply 129June 21, 2019 9:04 AM

OT Slash was a hair away from becoming a member of Poison in like 1984, the last guy to audition 5 minutes before C.C. DeVille. Sometimes I think about that and just🤯

by Anonymousreply 130June 21, 2019 9:25 AM

Take every dumb nasty thing you’ve ever heard of a rockstar doing. Not only has Mötley Crüe done that thing, but they’ve somehow made it dumber and nastier.

This is not an accomplishment about which to brag.

by Anonymousreply 131June 21, 2019 4:00 PM

When you need TMZ clicks to hock for you, that's when you know you're in deep sludge. Thanks, Mr. Levin!

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by Anonymousreply 132June 21, 2019 9:22 PM

R101 it was def Method

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by Anonymousreply 133June 22, 2019 8:18 AM

What I always think about old rockstars is, women must get boring for them at some point. Their M.O is chasing novel highs in debauched ways so eventually they’re going to get to gay sex and indulge, right?

by Anonymousreply 134June 22, 2019 8:43 AM

^^Nikki has said before on live tv that he admires Mick Jagger because “you didn’t know what he was having sex with; males, females, or something in-between” (see 3m40s into the clip below, taken from now-defunct celebrity panel show ‘The List’). I would say from that comment it is likely Nikki has sampled the T and maybe the G (and of course he’s done the B, in extremis).

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by Anonymousreply 135June 22, 2019 12:36 PM

I used to be a fan of the O.G. band, before they started pulling horseshit moneygrab sellout stunts like this.

From what I recall Nikki & Vince would flirt with each other on-stage as patter and in photoshoots before it was really a common fanservice thing bands did, as now. It got the girls in the crowd all dizzy, and bought them minutes to put their shared braincell to work to try remembering which song they had to play next.

Like another poster said it wouldn't shock me to learn of a moment or several they got off together when high.

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by Anonymousreply 136June 22, 2019 9:10 PM

R134 over the years Nikki has given a few press quotes that align with what you’re saying. Things like this from a documentary called ‘When Rock Ruled’ and which shows up cited in several articles..

[quote] Pussy’s so boring to me after I’ve had it—drugs never got boring for me.

He also once called Sophia Loren his celebrity sex icon, and if that’s not a DL answer I don’t know what is. Either that or his Italian loyalty runs bone-deep.

by Anonymousreply 137June 23, 2019 1:50 PM

R64 must only have seen the first hour of The Dirt then switched the channel (wisely). Nikki & Vince have several little arguments over the course of ‘Dr. Feelgood’ and from then on, and that contention is the underlying main thrust of the drama. It almost comes to blows once or twice. By the end you just wonder why they didn’t fight or fuck it out and get it over with.

I know it’s supposed to be tragic but “I’m gonna fucking have a cocktail what are you gonna do about it Nikki?” Vince was my fave. Demanding his itinerary then dropping a shotglass on Nikki’s shoes😂😂priceless

by Anonymousreply 138June 23, 2019 1:59 PM

Disappointed they chickened out of showing Vince's 'kawaii dirty princess' phase early in their career.

In the mid-80s Vince would be dressed like a burlesque Barbie in crop-tops and pink gogo boots and glitter scarves and white debutante gloves and boas and lace garters, where the other guys were in the typical chains x leather and whatnot. It was an eyecatching visual if shallow and nonsensical.

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by Anonymousreply 139June 23, 2019 11:44 PM

^Vince's solo efforts weren't mentioned either.

Which is too bad because he had a couple of good party hits out after he left Crue - 'You're Invited...' is one. He's also done a handful of eclectic covers that were better than his Motley stuff, like when he did a surprisingly solid English version of Japanese rockband L'arc-en-Ciel's 'Blurry Eyes'.

Nikki's lyrics are mostly shitty and impossible for anyone to sing (too wordy. metrically inept, cliché) but they really did not work with Vince's voice. I bet if you gave '80s Vince a Foreigner cut he'd have done a reasonable job of covering it (no Lou Gramm, of course, but who else is?)

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by Anonymousreply 140June 24, 2019 5:19 PM

Vince’s voice is the same as his personality - all good, when he puts considered effort into improving and strengthening it to make it pleasant for others in the vicinity (and he has been selective about years he does so). On his solo record EXPOSED he couldn’t fall back onto enabling friends so he had to try, hence why it turned out so well.

I agree with comparisons to Roth. He has an interesting androgyny to his voice too, like Ruth Pointer in reverse.

Many say he sounds like a squashed cat when he belts or goes high but I actually like his Patti LaBelle moments. He was nailing those epic notes at CrueFest (‘08).

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by Anonymousreply 141June 24, 2019 9:51 PM

R121 a wiser DL poster than I once said, “there’s a vast difference between intelligence and cunning.” Nikki is cunning.

The entire band are cockroaches who do not merit their success or their millions of dollars, but Nikki is the worst of them in spite of his grift because he’s a poseur with barrel-bottom talent disproportionate to his inflated image. He’s like Trump in that regard; all foetid hot air. Vince & Tommy are men who belong on the scrapheap of society with him, but they at least have modest musical abilities and an integrity to their personalities which qualifies them for rockn’ roll notoriety if nothing else. Nikki is a jealous hologram, who makes Steinman lyrics seem like Milton.

Notice the most devoted fans Sixx ever had were fat dorky permadolescent mall-goths, rather than the hot sorority sluts who came to see Vince and in the later years Tommy. There’s a good reason for that. Sixx is navel-gazing, awkward and charisma-free even swaggering around high. He acts fake-deep for social media hits, and dates women for kudos alone (ask roadies about his taste for chicken, sometime). He has not one authentic human bone in his body but even still he wants us to believe he’s a misunderstood sensitive artist who only bleeds compassionate red a la Cobain. In truth Nikki has the slimy brown-nose personality of an agent or a manager like Zutaut, and that is all he should have been.

True that he rose out of the gutter, but he stepped on and broke a hundred spines to make his escape and now laughs at those still languishing there; examine the dangerous bad advice for addicts in his first book (opiate blockers for a longtime junky?) and the exploitative images he made of the homeless for his photobook for proof.

So Nikki needs to shut both his gapes if he doesn't want embarrassment and questions about his poor judgment calls, horrible taste and endless transparent lies. As music fans we should hold him more responsible for the demise of metal (a long painful sad decline catalysed by Mötley Crüe) and as gays for the demise of Vanity.

I don’t despise most famous people nor do I wish them ill. I would, however, love to see Nikki Sixx and his ilk just dissolve screaming like the Wicked Witch of the West.

by Anonymousreply 142June 25, 2019 9:26 AM

Tommy has a hot young wife, he sure does get the ladies.

by Anonymousreply 143June 25, 2019 9:30 AM

It’s incredible how far down beautiful women will date lookswise when it comes to rockstars R143. Tommy was cute-looking for a longtime but he sure as shit ain’t anymore, and now that half his money is gone in alimony plus he’s been outed as a domestic abuser he’s not a good catch. Vince & Nikki both have unfairly gorgeous and sweet (if frauey) wives who are miles out of their physical leagues too. That amazing fact and the $50m Crüe members each have banked is all I envy these guys.

Speaking of rockstar ladies Am I the only one who loved the show EX WIVES OF ROCK? WHET? Perfect sleazy bingewatching. Another new season of that (the last one was three years ago) would have been more welcome than THE DIRT.

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by Anonymousreply 144June 25, 2019 11:27 AM

R142: His ex-wife Donna D'Errico gave an interview years ago for a psychology site about Sixx being a textbook narcissist. She had a son from a previous relationship who was very young when his father died, so Nikki was the only father he ever knew. He even adopted the boy. Then allegedly turned his back on him without a word when he split up with Donna. During the divorce proceedings he attempted to smear her by claiming she'd worked as an escort. Nothing was ever proved. There was a blind item suggesting that she has a ruinous tell-all book ready to go if he ever stops paying her maintenance.

There are also allegations that he made up his heroin diary years after the fact. Supposedly there was no actual diary, just a few scattered notes from back in the day which he found and "expanded upon" into a book. The writing's suspiciously lucid - the real thing would be chock-full of stream-of-consciousness bullshit if he was as wasted as he claimed to be.

by Anonymousreply 145June 25, 2019 4:31 PM

In 2011 Rob Zombie was the Director attached to this, but dropped out once he saw the script and met with the producers.

It’s a shame. Imagine how insanely dark and weird this could have been under Rob. It might even somehow have been entertaining and broken some cinematic ground (or at least broken something).

by Anonymousreply 146June 26, 2019 8:03 AM

R145 all that would make sense. I think Nikki really does have some serious untreated personality disorder like NPD if not that. It’s no coincidence that everyone around him eventually leaves then comes out in press years later saying he compulsively lies and cuts people off and gaslights. You’ll notice his entire life-story is self-dramatised and makes him look a victim and hero by turns. Textbook indeed..

He seems like a dangerous crazy misanthrope who shouldn’t be anywhere near young people or vulnerable people, yet for some reason he’s held up as an underdog champion for these groups. He’s even pretending to be a woke feminist now though there are verifiable accessible quotes by him proudly outing himself as a rapist and misogynist (even if he didn’t rape that girl in HEROIN DIARIES, he still got his own mother arrested on false charges and abandoned his own daughter).

When you scratch the surface it’s chilling what he’s already gotten away with it. Who knows what he’s hiding? If I were D’Erico I’d get me some security and change my name, maybe emigrate and see a shaman.

by Anonymousreply 147June 26, 2019 8:48 AM

R139 I secretly liked that Vincess look🙈

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by Anonymousreply 148June 26, 2019 9:52 AM

Did you know that Vince Neil is severely dyslexic and has never read THE DIRT? They probably made this movie and the accompanying audiobook at his behest on account of that handicap.

by Anonymousreply 149June 26, 2019 3:18 PM

[quote] There are also allegations that he made up his heroin diary years after the fact. Supposedly there was no actual diary, just a few scattered notes from back in the day which he found and "expanded upon".

If those notes are anything like his asinine lyric draft or his love letters then that checks out. Lord Byron he ain’t.

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by Anonymousreply 150June 26, 2019 11:20 PM

[quote] Beth Lynn & daughter Elizabeth Wharton aka Elle Neil said that once Sharise came on the scene Vince essentially cut them off emotionally and financially. Vince came for a rare visit in the ‘90s only to bring Nikki with him and do drugs with baby Elle there).

How very hetero. Were they on tina?

by Anonymousreply 151June 26, 2019 11:37 PM

R147: I agree, "woke feminist" my ass. He seems to attach himself to anything that'll give him social points.

Something about him makes my skin crawl. There's something about the tone of his chapters in The Dirt book that comes across as melodramatic and insincere compared to Neil's, Lee's and Mars' chapters.

R150: Any real "Heroin Diary" written by him would be unpublishable. Maybe if he was a halfway decent writer, but he's not.

It was hilarious when the Metal Sucks website did a blow-by-blow comparison of Sixx's lyrics with those of the glam metal parody band Steel Panther (who are by all accounts a great bunch of guys, and piss all over the Crue as musicians even though they're just having fun with the concept), after he dissed them by claiming he "takes his music more seriously". There was virtually no distinction between the lyrics he wrote in all seriousness for Motley Crue and Steel Panther's just-having-a-laff lyrics. Here's a link:

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by Anonymousreply 152July 2, 2019 11:00 PM

Bumping this because I finally saw it last night. Didn't pay much attention to MC back in the day but his was fairly entertaining. Surprised womanising, abusive Tommy Lee was brought up in a nice, functioning middle class home.

by Anonymousreply 153November 24, 2019 4:52 PM

Hair metal was the absolute nadir of music. Just total trash. I was a teenager at the time and had to endure this awful music because that's what my peer group was listening to. I was so happy when Kurt Cobain and Nirvana came along and made this garbage obsolete overnight.

by Anonymousreply 154November 24, 2019 5:12 PM

I just listened the audible to this and it was really good. I haven't thought of them in forever, but they made some amazing rock. I'm excited to watch the movie. I remember people passing one copy of the sex video on VHS in high school in 1997. The climate is so different today. In the book women would be told to squat on champangne bottles for the entire concert just to show how much they wanted to fuck them. These women were groupy whores thinking with their pussies. Now we have Roxanne Gay. More's the pity.

I listened to Dr. Feelgood today and it was fucking awesome. It's pure nasty, American rock and roll.

by Anonymousreply 155May 26, 2021 3:34 AM

The thing that I always found strange about hair metal, is supposedly it is super macho, but really if you took Cher, Tina Turner, and Reba McEntire and put them together during their big hair phases they wouldn't look any different than any of the hair bands.

by Anonymousreply 156May 26, 2021 3:47 AM

[quote] FWIW I think a wasted Nikki probably at least messed around with both Tommy & Vince in the past and just refuses to acknowledge it or bring it to conscious light

Nikki said in the book that he wasn't into the 3 or 4 ways like Vince and Tommy were. Nikki said he couldn't get hard and just wanted to leave the room. They all have fucked together though and they all have been blown together, done circle jerks.

by Anonymousreply 157May 26, 2021 3:51 AM
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