Macaualy Culkin and Jonathan Rhys Meyer - Adult Male Survivors of CSA

Also adult male rape victims have more problems than female ones on average and tell way less often. (Even though most women never tell either.) That is absolutely a thing. Obviously it's not stereotypically manly to be a victim least of all of sex abuse so even more threatening to the ego.

I agree 100% R1. That's why it's so imperative for survivors to get therapy and share their story.

We're supposed to know what "CSA" means, OP?

What is CSA?

Childhood Sexual Abuse

Confederate Stated of America didn't seem right and Customer Service Associate only partially worked.

My younger brother is a CSA "survivor" and has talked a blue streak about it for years, with us and with therapists. It hasn't helped. He's still a trainwreck.

Therapy sometimes just doesn't move the needle, you know.

I'm sorry for your brother R7. Childhood abuse actually changes your brain chemistry. I hope he gets better. It's a very hard road.

There doesn't seem to be any good in this world sometimes.

Thank you, R8.

Jonathan Rhys Meyers has spoken of CSA? How does anyone know this?

I survived CSA from 3 different men. I have emotional problems for sure and am incredibly insecure. There are times when it’s been over whelming. I have OCD which is probably the most damaging affect. But I am trying at the age of 44 to still try be in a place where I am mentally healthy. Like a lot of people really. It’s

I'm so sorry, R12. Keep reaching out for the help you need.

Thank you. I started therapy for it in my early 20s and had a nervous breakdown at about 25 when I moved overseas and stopped therapy. So therapy is important but expensive but I just have to work hard to keep stable. I do wonder how I would be if it didn’t happen and I would most certainly be a different person.

I hear you. Everybody gets their share of traumas to deal with at some point in their lives. Nobody escapes life unscathed, and we all wind up wondering 'what if' eventually. At least you can be sure that what they did to you was no fault of yours whatsoever. I'm a big believer in therapy. There should be therapists in your area who can work on a sliding scale, or meetup groups that deal with CSA that serve as inexpensive therapy. I've found that acupuncture is also great for lightening the spirit.

I need the receipts on Rhys-Meyer.

OP, never assume people are going to understand the term you are abbreviating. Spell it out initially, then abbreviate your little heart out. I thought it stood for Chronic Substance Abuse, which would fit these two as well.

Love to you R12 - I fight the same battle

Regarding JRM

The adoptive father of Bend It Like Beckham star Jonathan Rhys-Meyers sexually abused a 15-year-old boy, a court heard yesterday. Christopher Croft, 66, allegedly attacked Nasser Ben Hassine after drugging his lemonade, leaving him unconscious. Nasser, now 18, claimed the abuse started in 2004 at Croft's home in Taghazoute, Morocco, and went on for 18 months. Three other witnesses including a German neighbour who reported Croft to a child protection group claim they often saw him taking kids into his house. One said he saw him nude on his bed with kids. Croft, who has denied the accusations since his arrest, was remanded in custody by the court in Agadir. Rhys-Meyers, 30, who also starred in Mission Impossible III, moved in with Croft in Ireland when he was 15 and lived with him for a few years.

I think Michael Jackson got Aaron Carter too.

I think everybody got Aaaron Carter

i guess my question is: did MJ abuse Mack, or did he use him as bait for other boys?

I was dlddled as a kid.

My biggest problem was not being molested but by my families reaction to it.

First, it never happened.

Then, he was just a big kid and it was just horse play.

And finally, you're an adult and should just get over it.

My heart and empathy goes out to everybody here.

Why and how does it change your brain chemistry r8? It doesn’t surprise me at all, but that’s interesting to learn.

Yeah I agree R19. Lou Pearlman got Aaron Carter too..... Poor Aaron got passed around..

R21 same here. My mom actually blamed me for it. I am not sure how an eight year old can be responsible for being victimized by a man in his late fifties? People still have no concept of how to deal with child victims or adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse. It's truly unfortunate.

Brain changes due to childhood emotional and sexual abuse

I think Jackson abused Culkin...

Culkin had a horrible homelife. Alcoholic parents, an abusive and neglectful dad. He was starved for love. Some people have said that because he is famous, it made him a less likely victim. Or did it make him much less likely to talk as he wouldn't want to create waves in the industry , or be forever be known as one of Wacko's boys?

He's also of Irish descent and as half of my family is from Ireland, I will tell you this...we don't tell our secrets. Sinead O'Connor notwithstanding.

R12 et al, My sympathies. Know that there are many, many CSA survivors whose parents were not at all supportive nor understanding. I'm convinced that more young children were sexually molested or abused in some form than there are those who had more normal childhoods. It's rampant in very religious, morally conservative homes.

R24 et al, Still exists today the ridiculous idea that rape victims are at fault even if they're young children. That's in part why CSA is so prevalent today. Adults ignore the power games involved and falsely assume it's just about sex.

I've encountered serial abusers and their extremely twisted minds lead them to believe children desire them. Sick.

Papa was a Bircher!

JRM is probably more traumatized that you don't know his (stage) name is Rhys Meyers.

He has said different things over the years, ranging from attempted rape of him by a gorgeous man when he was teen to he would not have allowed anyone to abuse him.

He went to an all boys Catholic school. So there's that.

Having once been a big fan of his and read everything I could--I think JRM did a lot of things in his youth to survive. He said he was not naive and couldn't get a role because he was too knowing, not an innocent. My pure speculation is he did some stuff with eyes wide open and thus he doesn't feel like he was abused in the traditional sense. Though nowadays, it's generally accepted that children and those at a disadvantage can be classified as abused even if they weren't physically coerced.

OTOH, he comes from a long line of alcoholics so maybe addiction was always in the cards regardless of sexual abuse or not.

Manufacturing rape victims is bad in itself, but then to pretend that you actually give a shit about genuine survivors while outing them is disgusting and abhorrent.

Interesting R30- I think it's still abuse even if you don't recognize it as such. It's not that you *allow* it...it happens as a means of survival. Still abuse.

Kinda like with Jackson - the idea of an adult taking in or living with a 15 year old kid like JRM should be assumed that it was abuse unless proven otherwise. I think we’ve learned over the last few years with the priest scandal , Jackson, et al that we should always assume weird adult interactions with kids are in fact weird and should be scrutinized assuming the worst.

R33 That's insane. What constitutes a weird interaction to you?

What a fucked up society we're becoming where we infantilize kids until they turn 18, while at the same time leaving them to fend for themselves because no adult can be trusted to take care of them. Every interaction, every touch, even the act of changing a diaper or giving your child a bath has come under intense scrutiny. I'm lucky that I don't intend to have children, but every day I will thank god that I had adults in my life who helped raise and nurture me to be the person I am today.

R32, why would you interpret my post as my not recognizing abuse? My speculation is that JRM may not fully admit it was abuse because he may have had to do things to survive. The logic being that he willing entered certain relationships or situations. Of course we now see that abuse covers a wide range of circumstances and situations. For example, the longstanding rumor is the rich gay farmer was more than a father-figure and mentor and to be brief, was a sugar daddy. JRM went to live with him because his home life with an alcoholic mother was awful and he literally needed to eat. At the time, he may not have termed it as abuse. But of course, the general consensus now would that the farmer preyed upon a disadvantaged minor. And I would agree.

Again, all of the above is speculation as JRM has said a lot of things in over 20 years of interviews and never confirmed anything. He was also very coy bout his sexuality in the early days of his career and now all he talks about his marriage to a woman and his kid. So who knows.

Silly me, I thought this was a gonna be thread about Cock Sucker Anonymous.

If you're a kid who is in a position where the only way you can live indoors and eat regularly is by providing sex, the sex is not actually the biggest problem in your life. The biggest problem is that your family is willing to let you starve or suck dick to stay alive, and I don't think there's anything worse for a kid than knowing your parents don't care if you live or die.

Yes, I was sexually abused as a child, for several years, my parents saw everything and didn't care enough to put it together. It wasn't the sex that mattered, well, not as much as the indifference and neglect did, it was that that fucked me up the most and it may be what fucked JRM up the most.

Of course, I can't compare that to having awful greedy stage parents, I have no personal experience there.

Do you think Jichael Mackson assaulted Cacaulay Mulkin at Pyatlov Dass?

[quote] I'm convinced that more young children were sexually molested or abused in some form than there are those who had more normal childhoods.

No, most kids are not sexually abused!Most extreme estimations is like 20% of girls and 5% of boys, which is already wild but far from most.

R23 what a pig. How could they even look at him?

R40 The number is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than that for kids in the entertainment industry.

In general, men seem to cope with everything by acting out more often than women do. I've noticed sex addicts anonymous groups are packed with men who were sexually abused.

I can't get past CSA as the acronym for the program you sign up for that sends you a monthly box of whatever produce local farmers grow--mostly kale, it seems. Excessive kale could traumatize a child.

Are all survivors of the CSA dead by now? Or does this acronym have a secret meaning known only to those who obsess over celebrities?

Some freaks think every victim should deal with their abuse in the same way. That is stupid and if they were abused they should never confide in anyone except their therapist. Common sense should tell them that. Don't spill all your beans to a bunch of strangers. Learn something about privacy.

My parents were the opposite. I spent close to a year in hospital for kidney disease at age two and remember almost nothing about it. I certainly don't remember being sexually abused.

When I came out to my parents, as bisexual (too scared to say gay outright)!in my teens, my mother, who was a psychiatrist, informed me that several male orderlies who had worked at the children's hospital while I was there, had been sexually abusing very young boys. Both my parents questioned the gay side of my sexuality based on the "high probability" that I had been fingered and played with while hospitalized.

My mother would have never questioned the sexuality of one of her patients this way. My father was hell-bent on fixing me up with slutty older girls. Suddenly I was getting tennis lessons, with benefits. Or his secretary and her friends were invited to family parties.

It's all fun and games until someone gets pregnant.

OP you’re doing abuse victims a disservice. There are many celebrities and millions of regular people who have substance abuse problems. Who are you to pretend that you know the cause? Neither of these two men has stated that they were abused. Culkin has repeatedly said that he was not abused by Jackson.

You don’t give a fuck about abuse victims.

Culkin acts like a ten year old and his podcast is incredibly daft

No survivor of CSA will admit it, or get help for it, until they are ready to deal with it. That day may never come. It is important to have compassion for survivors -- and calling out those who have not claimed to be abused, or denied being abused, is not compassion.

I was sexually abused & I couldn't watch a gross attack on two victims and not say anything. The least Culkin could do is shut up. He actively defends a monster. The cheque must have been huge.

He shuts up, no? He denied that shit 15 years ago. So did Wade Robson.

This is pretty good. There's a point where sexual abuse comes up and MC sort of deflects and starts talking about kids having it much worse in different ways.

Culkin is lying to protect Paris....know that.

[quote]I think everybody got Aaaron Carter

That’s the only reason he was ever famous because he could not really sing, dance, or act.

In the ‘Making of...’ documentary for the BBC adaptation of GORMENGHAST in which JRM played the lead villain, the director talks about JRM’s aptness in his role and mentions that it is partially due to the fact that his given character has suffered childhood abuse which he feels Jonathan could relate to.

OT. but JRM’s original Cork accent was so beautiful. I wish he hadn’t anglicised it but I see why he did.

[quote] Christopher Croft, 66, allegedly attacked Nasser Ben Hassine after drugging his lemonade, leaving him unconscious. Nasser, now 18, claimed the abuse started in 2004 at Croft's home in Taghazoute, Morocco, and went on for 18 months.

18 months? That must have been a lot of drugged lemonade.