Are the Chinese always loud?

Is OP always a racist?

They can't be louder than blacks

I don’t find black people very loud but Chinese tour groups sure are. The women in particular sound screechy when they talk.

I feel like Hispanics are very boisterous.

Loud? They’re almost as loud as American tourists!!

Fuck PC shit. Yes, many Chinese (depending on their dialect) are often loud. The emphasis and energy (what we hear as loud) is part of their language "styling" for want of a better word.

Yes they are loud. You're not a racist for saying so. Source: Worked in China and speaks Mandarin.

New money is the worst.

Taiwanese and HK tourists are generally more restrained.

Mainland Chinese. It'll take a generation or two of wealth and exposure. Taiwanese and Hong Kong people aren't loud.

Hong Kong Chinese are loud. They speak Cantonese.

I don't think they are any louder than any other group but I think the cadence of their language is a bit jarring to an ear used to Romantic/Germanic language groups. The difference makes it stand out while all the loud sounds other groups make fade into the background of sounds you are used to hearing.

Yes, they are loud.

Yours truly,

Quiet Vietnamese guy.

r11 Fair point. Again, depending on the dialect/style, the singing is really harsh on Western ears. The high tones and dissonance are difficult, at least to me.

R13, I've been to China. It's hard to listen to for a long time because it always sounds like they are angry to me. It's like an angry chicken pecking at my brain after a few minutes surrounded by a group all speaking Chinese. And, the fact that, unlike with most other languages, you really can't even pick out any words is especially dissonance inducing.

They are very loud in a tour group.

Why do you go on tour groups with Chinese?

How would John/PMBT rank them in his East Asian hierarchy?

Indians are loud when they migrate. Talk loud on their phones, loud with their FaceTime / Skype in public / on public transport. Loud when they are with their own in close proximity.

R1 That's right, we are only ever able to stereotype when it's a positive statement. Hispanics are such fun people! Chinese are such hardworking people! Italians are so family orientated! The Irish love a good laugh! Indians are so good with computers!

Have you been to Germany OP? Probably the coarsest language on the planet. Fremdschämen!

Those Episcopalians are the worst. When the ice hits and bounces across the sides of their cocktail glasses it’s like a loud rumble followed by a shriek that permeates the room.

Some yes but they don't realise it

r22 = Thread killer

I think German is beautiful and soothing.

Mandarin and Cantonese are tonal languages, so pitch and vocal strength is important as they change the meaning of words.

"I think German is beautiful and soothing."

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Arabic's the ugliest language of all.

Followed by German.

I’m cool with the volume of Mainland Chinese tourists (and we get a lot in this city).

It’s their complete lack of spatial awareness that I struggle with, but I understand that this is a cultural difference and that they don’t mean to offend.

None of the above applies to other people of Chinese descent - Singsporeans, Hong Kongers, Taiwanese etc.

Actually, prior to WWI & WWII, German WAS considered to be a beautiful, flowing, musical language. Unfortunately, two wars' worth of dehumanizing propaganda (and angry filmed & televised speeches by Adolf Hitler) did permanent damage to foreigners' perceptions of German.

But seriously, in the 1800s and early 1900s, German and Italian were seen as the two obvious natural languages for opera. English was regarded as the most lowbrow bastard child of the fine arts, combining the most gutteral aspects of both language families. To 19th-Century Italians & Germans, English opera sounded like Ebonics.

r29 Very interesting post. You seem to know your stuff. Is French still considered to be the "international language"? Or has it been displaced?

American English.

The language of song.

[quote]Arabic's the ugliest language of all. Followed by German.

Fallowed by Jewish. What's with all those back of the throat sounds? And NO, I am not ant-Semitic just because I don't like the sound of someones language. It's called an honest critique. Deal with it.

[quote]Actually, prior to WWI & WWII, German WAS considered to be a beautiful

Hu? That was almost 100 years ago! No it was never like Italian, stop dreaming. German was popular because that is the largest minority who immigrated into the US. But it was never considered anything beautiful like French or Italian. Or even Spanish for that matter.

[quote]Is French still considered to be the "international language"?

NOPE! American English is. I know, you can hate me all you want for saying that but its not my opinion, its a fact. Why? Because its the one language that everyone in business around the world learns if the want to be part of the global economy, not to mention how much of the world still idolizes being American. You can go almost anywhere in the world and find someone who speaks English.

There is no language called "Jewish" r32, you sound uneducated. Perhaps you mean Hebrew.

It's called an honest critique. Deal with it.

r30, French hasn't been "the" international language since at least the ascendance of the US (and American English) after WWII.

The funny thing is, to 19th-century Italians & Germans, French sounded like Anglicized Latin (which makes sense when you consider that roughly 1/3 of English is letter-for-letter identical to French, albeit pronounced differently).

Thanks r34 and r36! I did that Google thing and found the article below, but wanted to hear what is real vs. what is "considered to be" from those who operate in the day-to-day.

Actually R35, Among the most widely spoken Jewish languages to develop in the diaspora are Yiddish, Ladino, and the Judæo-Arabic group of languages. Yiddish is the Judeo-German language developed by Ashkenazi Jews who lived in Central and Eastern Europe before the Holocaust. So yes, there are Jewish Languages. Hebrew is a modern derivative. You sound dumb.

[quote]Fallowed by Jewish. What's with all those back of the throat sounds? And NO, I am not ant-Semitic just because I don't like the sound of someones language. It's called an honest critique. Deal with it.

What is Jewish?

Do you mean Yiddish? When were you exposed to that? Yiddish theater maybe.

No r38, you are the one who sounds dumb. There is no language called Jewish. There is Hebrew and Yiddish.

For R32.

Oy oy oy.

You must admit it, the chorus is catchy.

This question is rich coming from an American.

The forum's gone silent. They're all listening to that lovely song @ R41. Transfixed.

R40 Thanks. Reminds me of when I hear people say someone speaks "Mexican" instead of Spanish.

They are assholes. They do shit like block sidewalks and walk into strangers.

Your pronoun has no antecedent. I don't know if you are referring to Jews, Germans, Mexicans, French or Chinese. All seem accurate in the given context.

I mean the Chinese are assholes. They just don’t act like they even realize they share the planet.

When they travel in groups, they are very loud and pushy, and the selfie stick takes a life of its own.

There were 20 of us in a hot air balloon over the Luxor, with 10 Chinese on one side of the basket. Suddenly the basket lurched violently to one side-2 Chinese leaning back to have their photo taken and others scrambling to get in the picture. The balloon operator roared at them not to fucking move, and had to admonish them several more times. I was relieved to hit terra firma, though I did advise the pilot to let us Europeans disembark, to set the burners to full, and let the Chinese head to outer space.

You mean “English”, R34. It is the national language of a number of countries, including, but not just, the USA.

R48 = old school racist

That story will come in handy when all the Chinese jump at the same time and knock Earth off its axis.

[quote]There were 20 of us in a hot air balloon over the Luxor

Sounds like the title to an old timey song.

This thread is full of song.

R50 Not a bit of it. Calling it as it was. Deal with it.

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale. A tale of a fateful trip. ..I wonder what the Gilligan's Island theme sounds like in Chinese.

[quote] I did advise the pilot to let us Europeans disembark, to set the burners to full, and let the Chinese head to outer space.

Yes, save the Europeans and kill the Chinese. Not racist at all. But I could just see the old pilot nodding and laughing too, acknowledging your shared racism.

To someone upthread who said "Mandarin and Cantonese are tonal languages, that's why they talk loud."

Vietnamese and Thai are also tonal languages, but I don't think speakers of these languages are particularly loud. Vietnamese speakers especially speak at a moderate volume (I think Vietnamese is beautiful).

Preach r49.

Just got back from a trip to Southeast Asia and, yes, Chinese tourists on average tend to get very loud and unruly. Mind you, a lot of Mainland Chinese tourists you get to see around are travelling in huge bus groups and are, what, I assume, their version of Deplorables, i.e. a not particularly sophisticated group of people who may be abroad for the first time in their life and acting accordingly. Keep in mind that we are talking about a country where the Cultural Revolution wiped out almost a whole generation of educated people. In addition to being loud, they are completely clueless about how to behave at the places they are visiting. For instance, in these 12th century temples in Cambodia, in spite of the signage, tourists from these bus groups were climbing the ruins, leaning against them posting for selfies, just to get a better photo., which frustrated the locals to no end - we are talking about UNESCO heritage sites, which the Chinese were treating like complete garbage. Making this observation is not racist: other Asian tourists tend to be very polite, respectful, and mindful of their environment.

R55 Pilot was an Egyptian.

Can I take YOU on a balloon ride?

MUAH!!!

I've always associated being "loud" with social class - that seems to transcend country of origin, race, or any other single demographic factor.

New money is often very loud in public settings.

R60 >

[quote]Arabic's the ugliest language of all. Followed by German.

I think Danish, Dutch and Finnish will give those two a run for their money on ugliness.

^^ and Flemish

Another one for Arabic as the ugliest but all East Asian languages sound awful to me. Vietnamese sounds like a bagpipe and Filipino sounds like someone clucking like a chicken. German is no prize pig, either.

But, but....what about Chinese Whispers?

Most Chinese overseas ARE annoyingly loud and over-excitable.

You should up to them and politely say 'Oom Go Jo Yo Jeh'.

Northern Irish English aint pretty. OMG.

Neither is Glaswegian.

This is funny >

This thread is proof that stupid can be funny.

[quote]Reminds me of when I hear people say someone speaks "Mexican" instead of Spanish.

Actually, they are different, its evolved over time. Just like there is a difference between American and British. Sure American speak English, BUT as most actors and linguist will point out there is a very distinct American dialect. People in Spain sound quite different than people from Mexico.

You bitches are slow. This was made for the DL

[quote]Just like there is a difference between American and British. Sure American speak English, BUT as most actors and linguist will point out there is a very distinct American dialect.

I would never have known.

R69 that doesn't change the fact that Spanish is spoken in Mexico, and English is spoken in America.

Is that a fact, R72? Are you SURE?

Absolutely.

Mai-Dough would never STFU

They frequent a casino in my city via busloads from NYC. THEY ARE LOUD! Yelling to and at each other in a very harsh staccato of word-spurts! Feh!

Learn to speak American - It's a thing.

[quote]that doesn't change the fact that Spanish is spoken in Mexico, and English is spoken in America

Since Americans speak English with an American accent, AKA American English, then its only logical that Mexicans speak Spanish with a Mexican accent, AKA Mexican Spanish.

It’s an accent, R69, not a dialect.

The lack of self awareness in this thread is baffling. Americans are loud even when vacationing within the US. Take a trip to the midwest to visit the World's Largest Cuckoo Clock and you'll see what I mean.

Sorry, R79, its not an accent once words and phrases change. An accent is just the pronunciation of words. Americans have evolved past that to include pronunciations, grammar and vocabulary. That makes it an emerging dialect.

Wasn't that American gurl fired from her University for complaining on her YT VLOG about how noisy the Chinese were in her library when she was trying to study? Remember that?

[quote] Americans have evolved past that to include pronunciations, grammar and vocabulary. That makes it an emerging dialect.

You mean stuff like:

"Gurl, puhlease!"

don't you?

Actually, a Southerner's use of the word “y'all.” That would fall under the category of Southern dialects.

Yes.

Yes, R83, Gurl Puhlease is an American inventions so technically it is an American dialect. Gay with roots from African Americans.

Things are getting technical.

[quote]Are the Chinese always loud?

Almost as loud as people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh etc.

[quote]Yes, [R83], Gurl Puhlease is an American inventions so technically it is an American dialect. Gay with roots from African Americans.

As a NON-American DLer, I've often wondered about this. Thank you.

"Bugger me sideways" is not something you would ever hear an American say. It's a dialect of the UK.

You know what other group is generally considered to be loud and annoying? American tourists.

ho lee fuk they are......yowwwwwwwwwwww.

[quote]Yes, save the Europeans and kill the Chinese. Not racist at all. But I could just see the old pilot nodding and laughing too, acknowledging your shared racism.

Unclench and get some sense of humor. Christ, you are tedious.

It's a cultural thing. I grew up in San Francisco where there are many Chinese. Some have been here since the Gold Rush and many, many are more recent immigrants.

I have a Chinese friend who was embarrassed by the loud immigrant Chinese on the buses she rode to work. She asked her immigrant father why they were so loud. He said that in China a loud, robust voice is a sign of good health. To be quiet and speak softly is to be thought weak and unhealthy.

I once did some free lance work for a company owned by a wealthy immigrant family from Hong Kong. They employed mostly Chinese immigrants in their factory. Every year they'd have a huge Christmas party in a nice hotel banquet room with lavish gifts and course after course of excellent Chinese food. Their young male employees would get shitfaced drunk and much loud raucous revelry ensued. It was really fun.

I am enthralled with Chinese culture, studied Chinese history and arts in college but it wasn't my major, just a strong interest. China has a fascinating history, and yes, there are a lot of dreadful things in it, as there is in most cultural histories. I really like the historical novels of Lisa See, she writes some good mysteries featuring a Chinese-American sleuth living in China.

Americans are unaware of a lot that is going on in modern China. There are entire new cities we've never heard of, populated with millions of people and with innovative architecture.

Chinese also like to walk on glass bridges.

SPEAK UP. THEY ARE LOUD BECAUSE OF INDUSTRIAL NOISE INDUCED HEARING LOSS.

Are people on here actually trying to make the argument that Spanish is not the primary language of Mexico? Get the fuck out of here.

I’m in the the middle of a trip to Cambodia and Vietnam and there are a lot of Chinese tour groups about. Yes, they are loud. I thought the Chinese tourists that make it to Europe were a lot to take but it’s much worse here. I think a bit of a pack mentality takes hold and they can become very rowdy at inappropriate times and places. I also think they tend to look down on the locals, who aren’t fans of Chinese tourists either. By themselves, they are usually fine like most people.

Also, as another poster said above the ones on tour groups are usually not the most sophisticated in the first place and it shows... though the outfits they wear are fun to look at (and judge). Tacky, cheap, very high heels, a tight perm with visor and plastic overcoats for walking around Angkor Wat. A fine combination for steep, slippery stone steps, jungle trails and 40C/104F heat.

Ps this thread is about Chinese tourists being loud, not Mexico or Spanish. Start a new thread if you care that much.

Yes the chinese are very loud. Americans too.

Maybe if they are talking to each other?

What language do they speak in Taiwan?

The older women often sound like they are angry...are they?

[quote]French still considered to be the "international language"? Or has it been displaced?

Oddly enough, the World Wide Web killed French as the 'international language', as it did Esperanto.

Another language that used to be beautiful was, believe it or not, High Russian. Why? Because the Russian upper class conversed in French, and when they spoke Russian, it was a much softer sibilant Russian. When the first elderly émigrés visited after glastnost, the Russians were entranced by their soft spoken Russian, as it hadn't been heard there for 70 years.

Believe it or not I think deaf people are loud too. With their sign language making noise with their hands and them huffing and puffing sounds in the bus

Many people in the countries surrounding China are also ethnic Chinese who left China generations ago. China thinks of itself as the center of the universe and its surrounding countries as buffers to the outside world. We're just hairy barbarians to them.

R101 If you’d typed that exact query into Google instead of a Datalounge you’d have found out immediately.

For what it's worth, American tourists have the reputation of being boorish and loud among the Japanese. And in Korea, Japanese tourists have that reputation.

I rode the Star ferry at MIDNIGHT in Hong Kong and it was deafening with hundreds of little old Chinese women.

[quote]French still considered to be the "international language"?

Was it ever?

[quote][R101] If you’d typed that exact query into Google instead of a Datalounge you’d have found out immediately.

And in the time you took to sneer at him, you could have answered his question.

I've loved this thread - it's SO silly, but in a good bad way.

R106 here, R110 - of course I could have answered him but where would be the fun in that?

Congratulations on taking the bait!

In the hotel I was staying at years ago there was a large group of Chinese tourists who all checked in together. During the first night they were there it was a nightmare, as they all talked loudly into the early hours of the morning. However the best was when one of them began singing at the top of his voice while taking a bath just before dawn.

The other guests on the floor had to complain to the management before they finally began to behave and even then they still jabbered away into the night.

I think for the Chinese and Indians, there is no sense of 'public' space. Public space is just an extension of an individual's home. There is no awareness and or concern for other people.

It’s not specific to Chinese tourists - try being a non-American in proximity to a bunch of Americans all talking loudly over each other and not listening to what each other is saying.

Maybe we can all agree that groups of tourists of all nationalities are awful?

Come to San Francisco, ride public transportation, and then see how loud they are. Very!

So true r115

Let's close this thread. People talk loudly when they can't hear themselves

[quore] Believe it or not I think deaf people are loud too.

The same reason why people talk louder on cellphones.

YES!!!!!!!!!

The Chinese are weird to me. I can no longer work with them. Their manners are strange. They are rude, judgemental and devoid of western etiquette. When they cough they don't even cover their mouth or say excuse me.

I was going to address the noise, having lived in the middle of China --Chongqing -- for a year, but the coughing R121 mentioned is true. It's astonishing. I've been on an escalator more than a few times, heard someone cough behind me, felt the breath, etc. on my neck. I was ready to fuckin' kill someone. Also had more than a few people walk past my table while I was eating and cough or sneeze without covering their mouths. And the air is horrid, lotsa people smoke so there's lots of coughing and sneezing.

Meanwhile, the loud thing. It's a loud place w. so many people, trucks, busses, people using horns, construction noise, etc., that you have to talk loud and I reckon it becomes the default setting.

Their country, their culture and their choices, but so much that's normal there, to include what they consider to be decent behavior in public & little kids pissing an defecating in public, struck me as horrible.

Yes and it's a real turn on.

I had a couple who use to walk constantly around in my neighborhood. I mean 6 -8 times everyday morning to night. But as with many Asians {I've have observed as a particular OCD trait} they have to walk in a certain pattern. This couple first walked around my block 5 times and then would walk back and forth from my corner where I live to the other corner 30 times. At one point I counted. In the summer we have the windows down when it's hot and I'd hear them loud scream talking at all hours. Worst of all the woman would hock huge spit snot loogies everywhere as she walked. She'd spit every ten feet or so and was loud about it. She'd spit on the sidewalk on my plants and lawn. Everywhere! The sidewalk was polka-dotted when they finished walking. It was so fucking gross. After 8 months or so I asked her to stop doing that around my house and she got so pissed and offended that I would say that to her and she stormed off. Her husband was very apologetic to me and walked off. I never saw them again.

When you need to be heard over 1.4 billion other people you have to be LOUD!

An Irish County Kerry restaurant bans 'loud Americans' from their premises.

Oh, MY SIDES R126!!! I was with friends for an early dinner at my neighborhood tavern last week (DC suburb) and group of Irish came in and was seated near us. After they about 10 minutes the only thing you could hear were those Irish shouting and laughing and carrying on like they were the only people in the world!

Q: How does a news article about an Irish social event start out?

A: “Among the injured last night . . .”

[quote]French still considered to be the "international language"?

[quote]Was it ever?

Yes, the international language of diplomacy.

raci$t le$bian troll alert!

Oom Go Jo Yo Jeh!!!

r114 although I assume the Chinese don't spit directly on the floors of their apartments.

They reserve this for the floors of banks, stores, elevators, and restaurants -- not to mention the sidewalk, which is covered by wads of phlegm.

According to the following video, Americans are loud, fat and have no fashion-sense.

[Quote] Americans are loud, fat and have no fashion-sense.

Well, I can't argue with that.

The buffet always make me laugh.

Don't forget this one r134

[quote] R20: Have you been to Germany OP? Probably the coarsest language on the planet. Fremdschämen!

German, and Dutch, sound like English to me, when heard in a crowd. Romance languages do not. I don’t know why English-speaking people pick on the German language.

German sounds like a foreign language that vaguely resembles English.

Swedish sounds like plausible, but made-up, English.

German has lots of cognates with English, but its pitch, syllable stress, cadence, etc. sounds very distinctly foreign to native English-speakers.

In contrast, Swedish has few direct cognates with English, but its pitch, syllable stress, cadence, etc. is nearly *identical* to English.

If you're in a noisy, crowded restaurant, people speaking Swedish at the adjacent table don't really stand out. They just blend into the noise, because the "sound" of Swedish is nearly identical to English, even if the actual words are mostly different.

I've noticed that when somebody who's DUTCH speaks English, their accent comes primarily from stress, pitch, and cadence... NOT letter-sound itself. It's like Dutch spelling aligns almost perfectly with American English, but its syllable stress & pitch is still distinctly Germanic (German pitch remains flat throughout a sentence, then falls at the very end. English pitch tends to rise and fall one OR MORE times during a sentence).

R76 here. So today at the casino two Chinese women (off the NYC bus) fell onto the seat next to me, literally fighting to see if the previous gambler had perhaps left a five-cent ticket unclaimed. They weren't quiet.

Vile race of ugly yellow trolls.

R139 A person who celebrates multiculturalism and different cultures, but then refuses to accept that there are certain traits common to certain cultures.

R137 The Chinese specialise in vowels and ignore consonants.

I'm assume they don't use their tongues to articulate the consonants.

I spoke to a work colleague about this and he blithely replied "We don't turn tongue".

I have witnessed the busload of Chinese tourists thing multiple times. They don’t just get off the bus and move to the tourist site. It is indeed like a plague of locusts in that they are running and instantly all over everything—literally. I assume they get to a point where they are constantly competing with the other tourists on the bus and the tourist sites get trampled in the process of getting as much as possible. Last summer if we were at a location and Chinese tourists rolled in we immediately left.

Swedish is a pitch-accent language whereas English and most other European languages are stress-accent languages. That up-down "hurda gurda blurga" sound that's characteristic of Swedish is from the change in pitch.

What's the "AAAAAH" sound at the end of sentences? Like. you'll hear someone speaking in normal tone and volume and then suddenly it's "ngAAAAAAAH". A word, or something like a few other nationalities who add "ay" at the end of comments?

Language inflection is not the topic, bjorky bjorky chicken bjorky.

R142 Chinese are taught from childhood to always try and get ahead of the person in front of them (on the street, in the class room, at work). This behaviour of tourists is an example of that.

It does seem to be particularly prevalent on entering and exiting modes of transport.

IS WATER WET?

IS THE SKY BLUE?

WILL WE BE CALLED RACIST>>

FUCK 'EM.

[quote]German sounds like a foreign language that vaguely resembles English.

I've never noticed German sounding one bit like English, in any way at all.

Yes, they are always loud. Notice two Chinese people sitting right next to each other on the subway both SCREAMING their conversation. I'm not sure how common the concept of an "indoor voice" is around the globe.

[quote]You should up to them and politely say 'Oom Go Jo Yo Jeh'.

What does this mean? I sounded it out in all tones and cannot make sense of it. Is it supposed to be Cantonese? They don’t speak that in China.

Now can we start on Brazilian tour groups? I hear they are special, especially at Disney parks.

R150 I was told that it means 'Please, don't ignore me'.

They are incredibly civilized!

R152, no, not at all. Unless it’s Cantonese.

“Please, don’t ignore me” would be “Qing ni bu yao bu li wo.”

MAINLAND CHINESE, YES! They are barely a generation from mass illiteracy, hundreds of years of mass starvation and communist genocide of the masses so I give them a pass.

The reckless disregard for others in public spaces from so many people these days just makes me avoid dealing with the public if I can help it. These days you run the risk of getting physically attacked or shot for expecting to be treated with respect. This Chinese tourist thing is just indicative of a larger reality we see every day in our own country. And it’s just getting worse as the masses joyfully dance around Trump.

can't we all get along??.....oh, never mind. that worked out so well for Rotney. RIP.

R157 seriously WTF? What is Rotney? You type drunk.

I don't like Nose-Pickers!

I won't let them touch me.

Is it really true that Chinese women have horizontal pussies?