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What's Irish cuisine like?

Is it equally disgusting to the British one?

by Anonymousreply 11603/15/2019

Mmmmm I love corned beef and cabbage.

by Anonymousreply 103/14/2019

[quote]Is it equally disgusting to the British one?

Learn to speak English.

by Anonymousreply 203/14/2019

Relatively simple, but quite delicious.

Colcannon is yummy comfort food. Mashed potatoes, cabbage, bacon and onion. Really nice served alongside a hearty Irish stew (usually lamb based)

by Anonymousreply 303/14/2019

Generally better. Dairy and meat are of a high standard.

by Anonymousreply 403/14/2019

[quote]Colcannon is yummy comfort food. Mashed potatoes, cabbage, bacon and onion.

There is nothing "yummy" about mashed potatoes that have been ruined with cooked cabbage.

Who says "yummy," anyway?

by Anonymousreply 503/14/2019

Yummy.

by Anonymousreply 603/14/2019

Corned beef and cabbage isn't eaten in Ireland. It's an American invention.

The traditional Irish dish is boiled bacon and cabbage served, of course, with potatoes boiled in their skins which you peel yourself at the table.

by Anonymousreply 703/14/2019

No cuisine that depends on boiled cabbage can be considered worth eating.

by Anonymousreply 803/14/2019

Corned beef identifies as Irish. How dare you.

by Anonymousreply 903/14/2019

R7, that sounds colcannon. Or do they all look alike?

by Anonymousreply 1003/14/2019

Pig's feet (called "crubeens") are considered a delicacy there. That's all you need to know about their cuisine.

by Anonymousreply 1103/14/2019

This is DL. We love feets.

by Anonymousreply 1203/14/2019

[quote]potatoes boiled in their skins which you peel yourself at the table

Why on earth would you peel a boiled potato?

by Anonymousreply 1303/14/2019

I love colcannon. It's great made with kale instead of cabbage. The trick is to sautee it instead of boil it, and you have to saute it with bacon grease and lots of salt and pepper.

by Anonymousreply 1403/14/2019

˄˄Yes, I like colcannon with kale. Cabbage is a bit bland.

[quote]No cuisine that depends on boiled cabbage can be considered worth eating.

No one depends on boiled cabbage, it's just tasty when you pair it with bacon (or corned beef).

Crubeens aren't a delicacy, just a poor person's snack. It's still popular in some parts of the country.

by Anonymousreply 1503/14/2019

Crubeens [italic]were[/italic] a poor person's snack, I mean (like a lot of fashionable food).

by Anonymousreply 1603/14/2019

Cabbage is delicious and under-rated because so many of us have eaten overcooked cabbage in the past.

Irish baked goods, dairy, whisky and beer are all exceptional. The cuisine is simple but hearty and delicious.

by Anonymousreply 1703/14/2019

The best restuarants in Eire serve truly great seafood, lamb, and beef, all of it local.

The stuff talked about here is Irish-American slop.

by Anonymousreply 1803/14/2019

I was surprised by how good the food was when I visited Ireland. It’s a lot of familiar comfort/rustic foods like soups and stews, shepherds pie, potatoes in every form (of course), plus lots of seafood and beef, which are abundant because of the geography. They really know how to make use of cabbage, too. Colcannon is delicious, and as a cole slaw fan I was impressed by the abundance and quality of their cole slaw.

By the way, while it’s not unheard of, corned beef is mostly an Irish American thing. I don’t remember ever seeing it on a menu.

by Anonymousreply 1903/14/2019

If you like Guinness, or even if you don’t, try it in Ireland. It’s so much better than what we get here.

by Anonymousreply 2003/14/2019

Irish American food is basically garbage that no one else would eat. In NYC the Irish immigrants lived in tenements among the Jewish and learned how to cook and season meat scraps like brisket, aka corned beef.

by Anonymousreply 2103/14/2019

Corned beef became associated with Irish Americans because they adopted it from their Jewish neighbors in immigrant communities ~150 years ago. It was a cheap meat readily available. When Ireland was part of the UK, the beef raised in Ireland was from farms owned by wealthy Protestants and went to English tables; Irish folks in Ireland could not afford most meat and certainly not beef.

by Anonymousreply 2203/14/2019

[quote]I love colcannon. It's great made with kale instead of cabbage.

Kale sounds just as bad, tastewise, though I don't think it smells as bad cooked as cabbage does. Regardless, "will not attend."

by Anonymousreply 2303/14/2019

But there's one awful place near the Knock shrine. They can't even make tea.

by Anonymousreply 2403/14/2019

[quote]Cabbage is delicious

When it is used to make cole slaw. Cooked, it smells as bad as shit. Or "shite," given the provenance.

by Anonymousreply 2503/14/2019

OP made me laff. Little provincial flyover who has never been offshore.

by Anonymousreply 2603/14/2019

I would join you in mocking him, r26, especially over his use of words, but "laff"? I don't think so.

by Anonymousreply 2703/14/2019

For anyone planning to prepare corned beef and cabbage this weekend, here's a trick to reduce some of the sodium. Even a reduced sodium package has way too much sodium. Rinse it thoroughly in cold water. Put it in a dutch oven, cover with water and bring to a boil. Drain and rinse again in cold water. Repeat. Then cook as usual.

by Anonymousreply 2803/14/2019

Irish people do eat corned beef, R22, though as you say it's more an Irish-American than an Irish staple. Cows were central to Irish culture and the economy as far back as written and oral history extends. Personal wealth was calculated in cows. A bull was central to one of the early epics, The Cattle Raid of Cooley.

by Anonymousreply 2903/14/2019

Google comes to the rescue again. Rather than offer us your best guesses, please see the link below. If you don't know how Google works, just type in: Irish Recipes. (I works like magic.)

by Anonymousreply 3003/14/2019

But...do they strain the pasta or not? Do they call tomato sauce gravy?

by Anonymousreply 3103/14/2019

Yes, R29, but that was all before the English colonized the country, forced the native (land-owning) aristocracy to leave, and replaced them all with English Protestant land-owners whose allegience was to the British crown, not the native Catholic population who they subjugated. Sure, people in Ireland raised/bought and ate beef in recent centuries, but the native population did not because they didn’t own land and couldn’t afford beef.

by Anonymousreply 3203/14/2019

That is true, R32, but folk memory is strong, and the beef-and-dairy economy is to the fore once again.

by Anonymousreply 3303/14/2019

Pressure Cooker Corned Been 'n' Cabbage:

1. Pressure cook the meat for about an hour and remove from the PC.

2. Add red potatoes to the cook water and pressure cook for about three minutes; release pressure. Add carrots and cabbage (wedged) to the water with the potatoes and PC for about 5 more minutes. Release pressure.

Done and delicious.

by Anonymousreply 3403/14/2019

The corned beef you eat in the US isn't eaten in Ireland. Corned beef here means the type of canned product often called 'bully beef' whereas the corned beef you have in the US would be called salt beef.

I grew up in Ireland and never even heard of salt beef unless it was in reference to the Jewish kind.

by Anonymousreply 3503/14/2019

There is a local Irish pub, opened in the US by an Irish company, that didn't have corned beef and cabbage on the menu. It had traditional Irish pub food such as fish & chips, boxty sandwiches, but so many patrons were disappointed not to be able to get corned beef that after a while the restaurant had to add it. The management was trying to be authentic, but when people in the US go to an Irish pub they expect to be able to order corned beef throughout the year, not just on St. Patrick's day. You have to know what your customers want.

A similar thing happened with a new Chinese restaurant that opened. They brought over a Cantonese chef from China, and the menu was completely unrecognizable to most people. I thought the food was delicious, but customers were demanding General Tso's chicken, so the menu changed.

by Anonymousreply 3603/14/2019

Ya give the people what they will pay for.

by Anonymousreply 3703/14/2019

Ireland is a foodie paradise.

It's a closed ecosystem and the island is made of limestone soil, which makes the bones of the thoroughbreds that they raise very strong, and makes the meat of the cattle and lamb that they raise extremely tender and tasty. The Irish love variety in their food, and enjoy adjusting international cuisine to their own tastes. They love Italian food and do it very well.

They don't eat corned beef and cabbage. That's an Irish American thing.

by Anonymousreply 3803/14/2019

That’s the true meaning of “the customer is always right” — customer base wants General Tso, you give them General Tso.

by Anonymousreply 3903/14/2019

is it true they don't inject the cows? I know that the fucking farmers don't pay taxes!

by Anonymousreply 4003/14/2019

Interesting, R35, I didn't know that there are two different types of "corned beef". Wikipedia says

[quote]Mark Kurlansky, in his book Salt, states that the Irish produced a salted beef around the Middle Ages that was the "forerunner of what today is known as Irish corned beef" and in the 17th century, the English named the Irish salted beef "corned beef".

by Anonymousreply 4103/14/2019

We have found both Irish and English food to be almost inedible.

by Anonymousreply 4203/14/2019

r38, I had one of the memorably best meals in my life in Dublin 20+ years ago and to this day am not sure it was so good because I was starving or it really was that good. It was very simple, lentil soup, rolls with the perfect ratio of flakiness to doughiness, butter that I could have eaten off a spoon, and a steak that cut like butter and melted in my mouth. I've never been back to the restaurant (it still exists but probably has changed hands over the years) because I don't want to be disappointed.

by Anonymousreply 4303/14/2019

Irish butter is life changing, R43, and you can practically cut the steaks with a fork. It wasn't a dream!

by Anonymousreply 4403/14/2019

Yes, I forgot about Irish butter. You really can eat it on it’s own, it’s so creamy and rich.

by Anonymousreply 4503/14/2019

As R32 noted, Ireland was a colony until 1922, and its economy was structured to extract its wealth to Britain. Poor tenant farmers subsisted mainly on potatoes, root vegetables and dairy products. Even during the Great Famine, there was considerable agricultural output in Ireland -- if just flowed out of the country to enrich its landlords, rather than feed its native population. Ireland remained a poor country well after it joined the EC in the early 70s, but once it was a part of a larger European economic bloc, things improved relatively quickly. The Irish today are rightly proud of their native cuisine. The meat and seafood is exceptional, and there are a number of great chefs and restaurants throughout the country.

Most Irish-Americans are descended from people who emigrated during the years of poverty and colonialism, and they did not have much in terms of cuisine to bring with them. Given that their fare was pretty bland, they did not get too adventurous when picking up ideas from fellow immigrants. Even today, a lot of my Irish-American relations shy away from anything beyond meat + 2 Veg.

by Anonymousreply 4603/14/2019

Yes, it's disgusting. New Irish cuisine in restaurants isn't bad but that's because the dishes aren't really Irish anymore. It's mainly just roasted meat and potatoes with a few vegetables thrown in. Hard to go wrong with that, usually, because it's so simple.

by Anonymousreply 4703/14/2019

There's a lot of choice in Ireland in terms of different regional cuisines, which is great because it raises the standards in general. However, the best of Irish cuisine is simple dishes produced with high-quality local produce. It works in Italy, too, or so they say.

by Anonymousreply 4803/14/2019

Can we use this thread to finally and completely kill the “corned beef and cabbage” myth!?! It has nothing to do with Ireland. It is the perfect symbol of how Americans confuse Irish-American culture with Irish culture. They really are 2 different things.

The best Irish food is simple meat, potato, maybe vegetable - all of the highest quality and fresh. Bread and butter are also more popular than in most other countries. Tea and toast is staple - similar to England. Eggs and bacon- again high quality and fresh - are staples.

I don’t think Ireland has the best food nor the greatest variety. But the modern Irish restauarants have done wonders by using the abundant high quality organic foods available across the country. Like the British, they are also very open to other cuisines. Italian especially as well as Indian.

by Anonymousreply 4903/14/2019

Yes, you can't move on Ireland without running into curry and kebabs. It's actually difficult to get "Irish cuisine" in Ireland because most of the restaurants serve Indian and other foods, or some nouveau take on Irish cuisine that isn't really Irish anymore.

The ONLY food in Ireland that is awesome is the spice bag, a bag filled with thick chips, chicken goujons, chopped bell peppers and onions, and an Asian-inspired sauce, mixed together. Fantastic takeout. It's not really Irish, but I've only ever seen spice bags in Ireland.

by Anonymousreply 5003/14/2019

Shamrock shakes and Lucky Charms

by Anonymousreply 5103/14/2019

r51, I've heard of Shamrock shakes and have seen them but what are they? Is it vanilla flavored with green food coloring?

by Anonymousreply 5203/14/2019

It's one of those embarrassing products you see around St Patrick's Day in the US. Like green Guinness.

If anyone tried to serve those products in actual Ireland they'd be laughed into the sea.

by Anonymousreply 5303/14/2019

Ummm,....how do people in US not know McDonalds Shamrock shakes? Do they not sell them anymore?

by Anonymousreply 5403/14/2019

Smells like feet.

by Anonymousreply 5503/14/2019

R53 younger Irish would love them and drink them ironically. They are pretty smart and funny (well, not Dubliners but elsewhere).

They have their own homegrown McDonalds too. As well as actual McDonalds.

by Anonymousreply 5603/14/2019

I am not fat, r54.

by Anonymousreply 5703/14/2019

Shamrock shakes are minty.

I would prefer they taste like lime sherbet.

by Anonymousreply 5803/14/2019

R57 everything in moderation. Including Shamrock Shakes.

by Anonymousreply 5903/14/2019

Thanks for the sympathy, r59, but McDonald's will never be a factor in my leading a fulfilled life.

by Anonymousreply 6003/14/2019

A perfect summary of America’s view of Irish cuisine/culture = Shamrock shakes. Lol

by Anonymousreply 6103/14/2019

Our ancestors fought and died to have Ireland for the Irish people and now the country is headed by an Indian homosexual whose allegiance is to the global usurers and not to Ireland.

by Anonymousreply 6203/14/2019

[quote]Like green Guinness.

Oh my god no. No such thing. It’s just beer dyed green, usually Budweiser or some other garbage domestic. The people who drink green beer on St. Patricks Day and people who drink Guinness are two separate groups.

by Anonymousreply 6303/14/2019

There is no corn in corned beef. Why is that?

by Anonymousreply 6403/14/2019

R64 it refers to the corns of salt used.

by Anonymousreply 6503/14/2019

[quote]It's one of those embarrassing products you see around St Patrick's Day in the US. Like green Guinness. If anyone tried to serve those products in actual Ireland they'd be laughed into the sea.

Ummm - they DO have Shamrock Shakes in Ireland.

by Anonymousreply 6603/14/2019

[quote]It's one of those embarrassing products you see around St Patrick's Day in the US. Like green Guinness. If anyone tried to serve those products in actual Ireland they'd be laughed into the sea.

Ummm - they DO have Shamrock Shakes in Ireland.

by Anonymousreply 6703/14/2019

[quote]It's one of those embarrassing products you see around St Patrick's Day in the US. Like green Guinness. If anyone tried to serve those products in actual Ireland they'd be laughed into the sea.

Ummm - they DO have Shamrock Shakes in Ireland.

by Anonymousreply 6803/14/2019

someone is OCD in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 6903/14/2019

Not great, but certainly not bad. Breakfasts especially can be excellent. I'd give it a solid B on world cuisine. IK like Brazil the most and the Philippines the least.

by Anonymousreply 7003/14/2019

Irish sausage is full of filler. Gross.

by Anonymousreply 7103/14/2019

They suck spuds and hoover cabbage.

by Anonymousreply 7203/14/2019

If you're in DC you can get a Spice Bag at Rose's Compass (14th & T). It's quite "authentic."

by Anonymousreply 7303/14/2019

I made curried chicken last night. Now my apartment smells like curry.

by Anonymousreply 7403/14/2019

R74 you can be evicted for that!

by Anonymousreply 7503/14/2019

White pudding!

Yum!

by Anonymousreply 7603/14/2019

R76 that white pudding looks suspiciously American to me

by Anonymousreply 7703/14/2019

Do we really need more foods to Cause farting... enough

by Anonymousreply 7803/14/2019

Shamrock shakes taste like toothpaste

by Anonymousreply 7903/14/2019

R77 you're right, but you get the idea

by Anonymousreply 8003/14/2019

I don't think it rises to the level of being called cuisine.

by Anonymousreply 8103/14/2019

Yes it does, because cuisine means food as it pertains to a specific culture or region.

by Anonymousreply 8203/14/2019

So is Corned Beef and Cabbage an American thing? I’m not clear on that.

by Anonymousreply 8303/14/2019

Corned beef is one of the most disgusting foods on the planet. It tastes as if it's made up from the fumes emanating off fresh feces.

by Anonymousreply 8403/14/2019

It's nothing special.

by Anonymousreply 8503/14/2019

"Irish cuisine" is an oxymoron.

by Anonymousreply 8603/14/2019

White Pudding is basically beef fat (suet) and oatmeal, tastes and looks better grilled/fried rather than boiled.

by Anonymousreply 8703/14/2019

And by Corned Beef the Irish & British mean this.

by Anonymousreply 8803/14/2019

Irish White Pudding doesn't look any different from German Weisswurst.

by Anonymousreply 8903/14/2019

In Irish language cakes are called "caca". A rather unfortunate word.

Here's caca Gur (also known as chester cake), a traditional Dublin dessert. Looks pretty tasty to me.

by Anonymousreply 9003/14/2019

This is the good stuff. Pork, oatmeal and spices and fried for breakfast. Very tasty. I'm not a fan of black pudding, though.

by Anonymousreply 9103/14/2019

The canned vs fresh Corned Beef confusion can crop up anywhere that had rationing after WWI/II. Especially in the Central Mediterranean plus Cyprus and Greece, but anywhere in Europe is possible, as is any former British Colony.

by Anonymousreply 9203/14/2019

His name is Donal Skehan. Enjoy.

by Anonymousreply 9303/14/2019

Check out the Try Channel on YouTube, wherein Irish people taste test various foods.

It’s usually American foods that they try, but you can learn a lot about what Irish people like to eat from watching their critiques.

by Anonymousreply 9403/14/2019

I had always heard that the food was bad so I was prepared or should say I was not prepared. There was not one thing that I ate that I didn't think was delicious. And it is the only place I have had fig chocolate ice cream which was equally as delicious.

by Anonymousreply 9503/14/2019

OMG R95 I would make a special trip over for that!

by Anonymousreply 9603/14/2019

[quote]So is Corned Beef and Cabbage an American thing? I’m not clear on that.

Yes it is.

On work gangs around construction sites in New York, many of the workers were Irish, especiually building skyscrapers and other big projects. The Irish workers were quarrelsome but they were strong and cheap so they were widely used. The construction projects needed a very cheap, filling, protein rich food source to feed the men, who were often there for days or weeks at a time, so they had huge vats of water in which they boiled beef and cabbage. The men became accustomed to eating this and it became a part of Irish American cuisine.

So it's perfectly fitting that people eat it on Saint Patrick's Day, which as celebrated in America is more a celebration of Irish-Americanness than Irishness. It's actually like any other meal -- if cooked well it can be pretty tasty.

by Anonymousreply 9703/14/2019

It's ham and cabbage in Ireland. The corned beef is what's Irish-American. The ham and boiled cabbage dish is Irish.

by Anonymousreply 9803/14/2019

Nice brown filling r90. Is it made with real caca?

by Anonymousreply 9903/14/2019

[quote] I thought the food was delicious, but customers were demanding General Tso's chicken, so the menu changed.

I hate it when people with babytastes ruin a restaurant's menu.

by Anonymousreply 10003/14/2019

Irish Cuisine= Oxymoron

by Anonymousreply 10103/14/2019

R97 do you have a source for that story? I have never heard that one before in my life. The common explanation is that Irish immigrants were exposed to corned beef in immigrant communities where they encountered jewish delis.

by Anonymousreply 10203/14/2019

Potato

by Anonymousreply 10303/14/2019

Could be more detail of the same story r102.

by Anonymousreply 10403/14/2019

When I was there it certainly wasn't the worst - I think Cuba has that honor - but the food was really, really boring. At least the food in Scotland had some bizarre but interesting options (deep-fried Haggis). Beer was good though.

by Anonymousreply 10503/14/2019

Soda bread pudding

by Anonymousreply 10603/14/2019

OMG yes R106 -

Actually - don't know about turning it into bread pudding?? - Sounds a bit iffy.

H/e as soon as I saw thread title popped in and scrolled down surprised to see no mention of the scrumptious fresh soda bread.

My abiding memory of B+B-ing around Eire was the ubiquitous fresh generous serves of soda bread. I'd bypass the 'full Irish' and just go Continental breakfast Irish style gorging myself on multiple slices of this stuff morning after morning with good local jams and, yes, that sublime Irish butter that's been mentioned upthread.

Mind you, this was back when carb loading did not destroy my waist measurement within hours.

I occasionally source it here in Australia, where there's some Irish heritage around the place, so it's sometimes seen at country farmers or produce markets or on cafe brunch menus and the like.

by Anonymousreply 10703/14/2019

Every county in Ireland has its own signature bread. Kilkenny county specializes in a delicious brown bread that will change your life.

by Anonymousreply 10803/14/2019

We called it bacon and cabbage but it's not like American streaky bacon. It is from the shoulder. If you want authentic, try to find a smoked shoulder butt.

by Anonymousreply 10903/15/2019

I love carbs

by Anonymousreply 11003/15/2019

R102, there's a variation of it here. (See link below.) I seriously doubt that Irish immigrants "encountered Jewish delis."

I've heard that the cheap boiled beef was served at construction sites, but the link above claims it was served at pubs, which to be honest sounds just as legit.

by Anonymousreply 11103/15/2019

For you, r111. The article details the Irish - Jewish connections to St. Patricks Day:

Historian Shaylyn Esposito, writing in Smithsonian Magazine, says that what we think of today as Irish corned beef is actually Jewish brisket thrown into a pot with cabbage and potatoes. The Irish originally ate a dry, salted beef that came from England. When they came to America and began shopping at kosher butchers on the Lower East Side, they discovered brisket, a kosher cut of meat from the front of the cow, the salting and slow cooking of which transforms the meat into the extremely tender, moist, flavorful corned beef we know of today.

Read more: https://forward.com/culture/395695/the-secret-jewish-history-of-st-patricks-day/

by Anonymousreply 11203/15/2019

And Katz's Deli, serving NYC's Lower East Side since 1888.

by Anonymousreply 11303/15/2019

R112, just more theories. No more true than the idea that the several alternative theories on the same subject.

To be honest, that piece is subject because it's trying a little too hard to find Jewish roots in everything Irish American (and some Irish roots in Jewish American things). This for instance:

[quote]Irish music is really just klezmer with an Irish accent.

... is a bit silly and sets the tenor for the article.

by Anonymousreply 11403/15/2019

How did brisket go from being a cheap cut of meat to one that is now quite dear?

by Anonymousreply 11503/15/2019

We were Polish Catholic, and moved into a Scottish and Irish protestant neighborhood in the mid 1950s. The American born hated us, but the immigrants welcomed us, shared their food and drink with us, and gave my mother a copy of all their native recipes. The food is fabulous.

by Anonymousreply 11603/15/2019
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