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I haven't seen a celeb speak out against Jackson and support Safechuck and Robson yet (aside from Oprah of course).

I find it interesting that none of the usual celebrity victims advocates (especially since #metoo) have spoken up in support of the victims. No Alyssa, no Anthony Rapp, no Deb Messing, no Rose, no Mariska Hargitay. I wonder if they either don't believe the victims in this or if they're too worried about saying anything against Jackson.

by Anonymousreply 7604/19/2019

Maybe they just don't see what they have to gain from attacking a dead man. Taking down the likes of Weinstein makes them look brave, but someone who's been dead for what, ten years?

But yeah, I had vague hopes that this would be an opportunity for men in public life to speak out against the sexual abuse of boys, instead of leaving #METOO as a women's issue, but that's not happening.

by Anonymousreply 103/11/2019

Maybe not attacking Jackson, but even just voicing support for the victims would have been nice. You know, the whole "believe victims" thing and all. Part of me wonders if they're afraid to piss off some of their stans who may believe that Jackson was innocent.

by Anonymousreply 203/11/2019

Jon Legend and his wife, Ellen, and Sia are the only ones I’ve heard about.

by Anonymousreply 303/11/2019

OP, child abuse isn't just a Hollywood problem.

by Anonymousreply 403/11/2019

Can we keep this crap in the Leaving Neverland threads?

by Anonymousreply 503/11/2019

I wonder if they worry they’ll tip Paris Jackson over the edge. No one wants to be responsible for that hot mess making another suicide attempt. The insane MJ fans would torment them forever.

by Anonymousreply 603/11/2019

So, even in death, Jackson controls others.

by Anonymousreply 703/11/2019

I know that, R4, it's just that most of these people have came out in support of others in Hollywood. I think it almost seems cowardly. Everyone wanted to fry Weinstein, he had virtually no supporters, same with Cosby. Spacey has a few deluded fans, but not as many as Jackson, so coming out in support of those victims seems "easy" compared to Jackson's case.

by Anonymousreply 803/11/2019

You already posted this in the Leaving Neverland 5 thread. It didn't get any traction there either, but you earned your $10 for this hour.

by Anonymousreply 903/11/2019

I wouldn't come out and support people that denied he did this in a court of law previously. Fuck them, they should have spoken out when the man was alive and he could face his accusers. I feel nothing for them.

by Anonymousreply 1003/11/2019

Fuck off, R9. If you don't like the thread, then ignore it.

Victims are imperfect though, R10. Many of the Weinstein victims worked with him after he assaulted them, doesn't mean they're not victims.

by Anonymousreply 1103/11/2019

Drake is cutting a Jackson song from his set. So he’s at least acknowledging the documentary.

by Anonymousreply 1203/11/2019

Block and move on people.

by Anonymousreply 1303/11/2019

I can't say which time I think he is lying. Below or the documentary. But I would not come out and support him EVER. Don't care what happened to him. Or didn't

Wade Robson denying being molested by Michael Jackson in 2003 on JK

Wade Robson denies being molested by Michael Jackson in 2003 as a guest on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

by Anonymousreply 1403/11/2019

r11, how do you know he is a victim or simply an opportunist?

Why not tell the trust when he could go be punished? He helped him get off.

by Anonymousreply 1503/11/2019

Denying Michael molested you in an interview with Barbara Walters is one thing, but under oath? In a court of law? Right in front of a jury? Their credibility is non-existent.

by Anonymousreply 1603/11/2019

R10r14 they were kids the first time. It’s humiliating to admit you’ve been abused, you think people will only ever look at you as a victim or damaged goods for the rest of your life. I’ve never told anyone. And up until a few years ago I would have denied it in court too, it takes a long time to admit to yourself let alone anyone else the reality of what happened to you and your first instinct is self preservation. But when I heard Wade and James’ stories I heard the absolute truth. I recognised a lot of what they said. Flame away, but unless it’s happened to you, you will never understand.

by Anonymousreply 1703/11/2019

R16 Exactly, the accusers have less than any credibility. Yet their supporters seem determined to spam and insult every MJ fan on the internet. They have their own thread for that. The rest of DL isn't going to tolerate their BS. The best solution is to FF and block, then move on.

by Anonymousreply 1803/11/2019

I also believe the mothers had a pretty good idea what was going at the time (if not the details) and, next to MJ are the guiltiest. Next to them Jeanette Jennings (or whatever the real name is) looks like Mother Teresa (who actually was a psychotic bitch herself and responsible for much of the spread of HIV in India--the "Albanian dwarf," as Hitchens dubbed her).

by Anonymousreply 1903/11/2019

Have a look around I think you’ll find that most of DL are not on MJs side r18. You can FF all you like, but it’s not being enforced.

by Anonymousreply 2003/11/2019

I've been wondering the same thing, OP.

by Anonymousreply 2103/11/2019

It's not their job to weigh in on every case.

OP has entitlement issues. He's also attention-whoring with very little to go on.

by Anonymousreply 2203/11/2019

[Quote] It's not their job to weigh in on every case.

Yet so many think the opposite.

by Anonymousreply 2303/11/2019


Sam Smith

Dax Shepard

by Anonymousreply 2403/12/2019

R11 Many of the Weinstein victims worked with him after he assaulted them, doesn't mean they're not victims.

Sorry they (Goop, Thurman, Salma, ...) are Harvey's ex-whores and liars. Please don't compare them to Wade and James who are real victims and very honest.

by Anonymousreply 2503/12/2019

Anthony Rapp won't say anything because it's not about him and because he's too afraid to offend his woke fans.

by Anonymousreply 2603/12/2019

[quote] R10r14 they were kids the first time.

Robson wasn’t a kid the second time.

by Anonymousreply 2703/12/2019

You can say Wade doesn't have credibility. But what about James?

The deluded MJ fans attack Wade because he lied under oath. Fine. But James is a completely different story. They don't have any counterattack with him because he didn't testify in his trial.

by Anonymousreply 2803/12/2019

The singer Sia tweeted support to the two men. She was roasted to death by the MJ nuts, even those who are her fans.

by Anonymousreply 2903/12/2019

I'd rather go back to talking about Weinstein. This is boring and controversial...but in a "disgusting" instead of juicy way.

by Anonymousreply 3003/12/2019

R27 If you can’t understand why he was reluctant to come forward until much later in life you’re part of the reason he didn’t come forward. You’re a pedo enabler and the reason victims waiver on admitting what happened to them.

by Anonymousreply 3103/12/2019

he wasn't a very good songwriter - Rod Temperton wrote his best stuff.

by Anonymousreply 3203/12/2019

r17, he didn't just deny it about himself. He worked with the "accused" to deny someone else's truth apparently. It's one thing to stay quiet about what happened to you but to testify on the behalf of said predator to discredit someone who was speaking their own truth. That is a different story.

by Anonymousreply 3303/19/2019

r31, The point you are missing is he did come forward but we are to believe he came forward to lie, then but not now.

by Anonymousreply 3403/19/2019

I've lost all respect I had for Rapp. He asked for support after going public, says he's a voice for children and youth who were abused, yet remains mum when it comes to Robson and Safechuck. Some ally he is, especially considering he waited years to go public with his story AND because he received a lot of criticism over it.

I know he reads here, hopefully he sees what a hypocrite he is. He needs to stop worrying about his fanbase and speak up. If not, then he should stfu about Spacey and quit whining about the Spacey stans who call out on Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 3503/19/2019

It would be hard for a celebrity especially a music artist to criticize Michael Jackson because his fans are batshit insane..

Even when he was alive, entertainers walked on eggshells when asked to comment about the Michael Jackson cases

by Anonymousreply 3603/19/2019

I think it is more about SONY and the fact that it spent $250M on music rights last year and thought it would make all that back plus more following the Broadway show. Wonder if actors and musicians are getting pressure to stay quiet in hopes that the show moves ahead? That is a LOT of $.

by Anonymousreply 3703/19/2019

That could be, R37, but if true, then they truly are a bunch of hypocrites.

by Anonymousreply 3803/19/2019

No one is standing up for them because they're money grubbing scumbags. Yeah, they were assaulted. They happy to take the cash. They were happy to take more cash in exchange for lying during depositions or in court when Michael Jackson was being sued or prosecuted for sexual molestation of other children

They may have been victims, but they sure the fuck helped Jackson evade arrest, win at trial and then when Michael died, they were more than happy to trade on their association with Michael to earn more money (wade robeson (sp?) did that for years with some shitty video tapes/dvd infomercial about dancing and choreography. The very first thing he mentioned in the infomercials was that he worked with Michael Jackson. When people stopped buying his DVD's and the money he received for perjuring himself under oath in Jackson's molestation trial ran out, he came up with this money making scheme to sue the estate

That kid who had the guts to tell the police Michael Jackson sexually assaulted him should sue Robson, because Robson aided and abetted the sexual assaults of many children. He should be arrested, tried and convicted. He chose to lie in exchange for money and more kids got raped. No celebs are going to stick up for that piece of shit mother fucker

by Anonymousreply 3903/19/2019

Holly Marie Combs defended Wade, as embedded in this tweet.

Quench My Desire on Twitter

“Wade Robson showing us his more genuine side ???? (Courtesy of MJJCritic/YouTube)”

by Anonymousreply 4003/19/2019

Justin Bieber, Laura Pausini, Idris Elba, Michael K Williams and Jamie Lloyd are still following pedo Jackson on Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 4104/06/2019

R41 we don't care

by Anonymousreply 4204/06/2019

It hasn’t been widely picked up because it was said to a South American journalist, but McCartney believes the accusers:

Paul McCartney is Stunned Michael Jackson Was Probably a Child Molester

Paul McCartney is reacting to the news that Michael Jackson was almost definitely a child molestor. This is what he has to say about it.

by Anonymousreply 4304/06/2019

Richard Marx, Daniel Gillies from Rhe Originals and Heather Graham voiced support. They were all roasted by the fans. Heather left her tweet up and ignored the crazies. Marx and Gillies are hitting back at the MJ stans/Sony bots.

Mayte, Princes ex wife and Wades exgirlfiend voiced her support to Wade years ago when he first reported the abuse. The fans went after her on twitter. T

The MJ crazies and bots have been bullying anyone who shows support so people don't waste their time tweeting support..

by Anonymousreply 4404/06/2019

[Quote] Richard Marx, Daniel Gillies from Rhe Originals and Heather Graham voiced support.

Gilles seems like a good egg. He was cute on The Originals.

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by Anonymousreply 4504/06/2019

Celebrities have been saying MJ inspired their music for years, and they know the receipts are out there. Oprah deleted all videos regarding to the the documentary off her YouTube and social media accounts, including the interview with the alleged victims. Nobody is speaking out until she clarifies that.

by Anonymousreply 4604/06/2019

Maybe they're voicing support in private, not everything has to be done over twitter.

by Anonymousreply 4704/06/2019

Is there any Leaving Neverland part 14 that hasn't been started by the homophobic troll with no life, whom I blocked several threads ago?

by Anonymousreply 4804/06/2019

It has reached levels of desperation not seen before from a "serious documentary filmmaker". Reed caught as the person behind anti-MJ Twitter troll account(s). Posing as a child sexual abuse survivor too.

Tasha S on Twitter

“That awkward moment you accidentally change the picture on your real account thinking it’s your troll account. @danreed1000 really not your week is it ???? #mjinnocent #mjfam @RAZ0RFIST @Zigmanfreud @ReasonBound”

by Anonymousreply 4904/06/2019

I assume people are voicing their supporting in private. For example, with the exception of Darrin Hensen other choreographers and dancers have been supportive with Wade seemingly in private and sometimes publicly. Brian Epstein has older and newer wade clips on his YouTube and the woman from that dance show Wade was on cried on one of those day shows when LN was shown on HBO bc she was so upset for Wade.

by Anonymousreply 5004/07/2019

*Brian Freidman

by Anonymousreply 5104/07/2019

Only low rate artists whose careers are dead are going anywhere near this. If they have any brains, they'll take Oprah's cue and ditch these two before more lies come out (someone hacks into their Dropbox for example) and the entire plan falls apart.

Take this whacko for example. Comparing Michael Jackson to a hired local plumber is like comparing him to successful musician.

Richard Marx on Twitter

“I’d really love to be able to hire a forty-something plumber to work for the MJ defenders for awhile and then have him say, “Hey, I never really had a childhood and purely love children and I want your 9 year-old son to come sleep over at my house” and then watch their faces.”

by Anonymousreply 5204/07/2019

Please r52. Marx is absolutely hilarious and calls it out like it needs to.

Him dragging Brenda "Truth Teller" Richie is absolutely awesome.

Richard Marx on Twitter

“Brenda’s degree in social work makes her “able to distinguish the victims from the liars.” This is good news. We can now determine any and all who claim to be abused as truthful or lying by simply asking Brenda. (And she calls other people arrogant.)”

by Anonymousreply 5304/07/2019

Richard Marx is viciously sarcastic. The singer behind “Now and forever, I will be your man” and “Dance for my father” has been fooling us all.

by Anonymousreply 5404/07/2019

He is actually r54. He loathes Trump and tweets daily. He's a little too involved on social media but I don't disagree with many of his statements.

by Anonymousreply 5504/07/2019

I just learned Richard Marc is married to Daisy Fuentes

by Anonymousreply 5604/08/2019

i had no idea Richard Marx was married to Cynthia Rhodes until they got divorced.

by Anonymousreply 5704/08/2019

Richard Marx divorced Cynthia Rhodes?! Years ago he would always gush over her on Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 5804/08/2019

The smart celebrities are keeping quiet. Even if they believe MJ did wrongful acts, there's already been significant evidence that these guys aren't the most credible of victims. [quote]I assume people are voicing their supporting in private.

by Anonymousreply 5904/14/2019

The smart celebrities are keeping quiet. Even if they believe MJ did wrongful acts, there's already been significant evidence that these guys aren't the most credible of victims.

[quote] I assume people are voicing their supporting in private.

by Anonymousreply 6004/14/2019

R58 they divorced in 2014.

by Anonymousreply 6104/15/2019

I agree with what several people already mentioned. Why do this doc now when Jackson can no longer defend himself? It gives me deep doubts that what they claim happened ever did, at least not in the way they described. I can't fathom why Oprah would do this show now, after much has settled down.

It's my guess that the two victims are looking for some money and they purposely added more graphic details that never came out before. Yes, I think Jackson did untoward stuff, but these two added much, much more than what actually happened--or at least to their first account. Isn't that why Jackson was acquitted? Because their stories kept changing. I don't believe them when they say this new stuff was too repressed before. Nope.

by Anonymousreply 6204/15/2019

It’s funny how those who express “deep doubts” about these claims- like R62- are happy to concede they DO accept that “untoward stuff” happened- it just didn’t meet their bullshit arbitrary threshold for abuse. Thanks for your contribution, R62.

by Anonymousreply 6304/15/2019

It's such an ugly subject I don't think people want to go near it. As a society we don't really know how to deal with pedophilia, the fact we trusted Jackson and condoned his behavior ( what were we thinking given his blatant acting out ? ) doubles the ugly. Hilarious that OP highlights the lack of celeb support 'apart from Oprah' . I never want a celebrity endorsement or to hear what a celeb thinks about anything, they are not qualified and the hanging on every word dumb celebs say and worshiping celebrity is how someone like Jackson got to hide in plain sight while living a pedophile lifestyle

by Anonymousreply 6404/15/2019

I am not saying MJ didn't meet my threshold. I'm saying he did not meet the legal threshold. Know the difference and try not to make ad hominem attacks.

by Anonymousreply 6504/15/2019


by Anonymousreply 6604/15/2019

Jackson defended himself when he was alive and most people with common sense knew he was a pedophile in 1993 with Jordan Chandler. Even people in the jury thought he was guilty for Gavin Arvizo. Guess OJ and Casey Anthony didn't meet the legal standards of guilt either. Let's be for real, guys don't acknowledge that they were sexualy abused to the public nor parents allow themselves to be seen as colluding (joy robson) or plain outright stupid (Stephanie Safechuck) unless it was true.

Celebs don't want to be attacked by the Jackson loons. Neither would any other Jackson victim given how arvizo, chandler, robson and safechuck have been torn down and threatened by the crazies. Thats the point of the crazies attacking, to stop others from saying things in public.

Mayte, Princes ex was told that it was good her baby died when she posted a supportive tweet to Wade. That's the level of insanity celebs would have to deal with if they said something in public.

by Anonymousreply 6704/15/2019

People on DL defending MJ? Has DL changed that much?

by Anonymousreply 6804/15/2019

Then why did they all vote to acquit him in the case...?

[quote] R67 Even people in the jury thought he was guilty for Gavin Arvizo

by Anonymousreply 6904/15/2019

MJ met the legal threshold, as did Casey Anthony, George Zimmerman, OJ & others. Never discount the power of celebrity on juries and what a million dollar defence team can do for you. MJ would have gone to prison for the Chandler case for sure. I do understand why his parents didn't want to put him through that. The Jackson looney fans are completely crazy.

by Anonymousreply 7004/15/2019

R70 That's all speculation. The prosecutor tried to find a victim of his from 1993 to 2005. Gavin Arvizo, absolutely not credible, represents the fruits of his vendetta.

by Anonymousreply 7104/15/2019

Boosie BadAzz sez Michael Jackson is guilty, and he been thinkin' that before that Neverland, before he saw dat shit.

His daddy said dat shit

Oh, and the victims' parents was hustlin'. "Those parents probably knew their chile was freaky!"

EXCLUSIVE: Boosie: I Love Michael Jackson's Music But He was Predator to Little Boys

Boosie spoke to VladTV about the allegations surrounding Michael Jackson in the HBO documentary Leaving Neverland, and Boosie revealed that while h...

by Anonymousreply 7204/15/2019

R72 Didn't he just get out jail? Dan Reed must be getting desperate if that's who he's tweeting out support from.

by Anonymousreply 7304/15/2019

R46 Celebrities have been saying MJ inspired their music for years

His music didn't inspire anyone because his music was never original it was a copy from real musicians.

by Anonymousreply 7404/17/2019

R74 Which real musicians ?

by Anonymousreply 7504/17/2019

R75 the ones that Jackson stole from.

by Anonymousreply 7604/19/2019
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