Most Surprising Oscar Win Ever?
In the days before online Oscar prognosticators and numerous, smaller awards leading up to the big event, Beatrice Straight came out of nowhere to win Supporting Actress for Network. She had some tough competition from Jodie Foster and Piper Laurie in what became iconic performances.
Will we ever see a surprise like this again?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 262||03/20/2019|
I love Beatrice Straight's win. One of my favorites.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 1||03/11/2019|
I can’t recall a single surprising win or loss.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 3||03/11/2019|
They've complained about Louise Fletcher's win for Nurse Ratched in Cuckcoo's Nest forever. Who was her competition who was supposed to be so much more deserving?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 4||03/11/2019|
Network itself has grown to become one of the most iconic films of the '70's, and of the whole of American cinema, even, and Beatrice Straight's small but eviscerating performance was a richly deserved winner.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 5||03/11/2019|
THAT BITCH WHO WON FOR DANGEROUS AND JEZEBEL.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 6||03/11/2019|
I think Straight also benefitted from portraying the one character in Network who was recognizably human in the film. Everyone else is this kind of grotesque caricature of a person. Even William Holden's character eventually embraces himself as having played a "role" (in his case, he the male version of Anna Karenina or some other stock philanderer in a television MOW).
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 7||03/11/2019|
THANK GOD WE WERE SPARED THE INDIGNITY. I WAS READY TO GO TO THE HOCK SHOP.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 8||03/11/2019|
Adrian Brody was probably the last one, although some would argue Alicia Vklander or whatever her fucking name is. Actually, by the time the ceremony came long, Olivia Coleman seemed out of the running so she, too, counts as a big surprise. (A welcome one).
Beatrice Straight may have been more human but she still talks like Paddy is behind her, pulling a string on her neck. Give me Piper "I LIKED IT!" Laurie and Jodie "You wanna make it like this?" Foster any day.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 9||03/11/2019|
I was rooting for Piper Laurie. Margaret White is such a fascinating character and it's interesting that not a single one of the incredibly talented women who have played the character since (Patricia Clarkson, Julianne Moore, Betty Buckley, Marin Mazzie) have been able to do what she did with that role. Talk about a brave, courageous performance. She's SO over the top and, yet, still seems so human and like someone you'd meet at one of those holy roller churches.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 10||03/11/2019|
And you can tell she had fun with the role. I love that she didn't do the method acting bullshit. She said they rolled with laughter every day they were shooting (just like Mo'nique says about working on "Precious"). Meanwhile, idiots on CW shows are working on memories and substitution bullshit. Such hooey.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 11||03/11/2019|
It’s always Supporting Actress. Anna Paquin. Geena Davis, Marcia Gay Harden.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 15||03/11/2019|
Did Monique really say she laughed every day after Precious like Piper Laurie did when she did Carrie? And see, those two performances, to me, are the two most powerful monster mother performances of all time. Maybe what one needs to possess to play a role like this is a sense of humor and not be going for Oscar gold every single moment. I'm sure Piper at least had no idea this little B-movie would garner any Oscar attention. That might have helped her cut loose a bit, too. Sometimes, as an actor, you get a role and you just KNOW it has that Oscar potential, so you get really serious and ruin it by trying to be pretentious about it.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 16||03/11/2019|
Glenn Close wearing that hideous gold dress and then being laughed into the parking lot when some no-name Brit won Best Actress
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 17||03/11/2019|
Glenda Jackson's second Oscar, for "A Touch of Class". I think she deserved it, but there were some heavy-weight nominees in bigger movies that year. She herself said it never occurred to her that she might win.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 18||03/11/2019|
R16, I think Mo'nique's quote was along the lines of "If people had come by the set, they'd have no idea what movie we were filming, we were laughing so hard." She and Gaby especially, apparently. I love that too, so many actors trying to be serious and the pros know how to make it work with no fuss. Bette Midler reads a book until they call her to set and then just does it. Shirley Maclaine says most of the time she is thinking about lunch, nothing else (like in Winger's death scene). I believe it too. There's no way to get caught up in it all when there are 100 crew members inches away.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 19||03/11/2019|
Let's face it, Streisand had the iconic performance the year Glenda won her second. That Oscar should have been hers.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 20||03/11/2019|
I love Beatrice Straight; she's a fine actress. But she was in Network for all of 45 seconds and didn't deserve an Oscar for it.
That Oscar was Laurie's. Hands down. She was robbed.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 21||03/11/2019|
people still quesstion the legitimacy of marisa cant act tomei and her odd win...
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 22||03/11/2019|
Yeah, I thought Straight was pure soap opera. Can't say the same about Laurie's lunatic and Foster's 12 year old hooker. (Anyone know the other two nominees off top of their heads? I am drawing a blank but I do know folks say if Shire had been here in the right category, she'd have won easily for "Rocky").
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 23||03/11/2019|
R3, Lee Grant (Voyage of the Damned) and Jane Alexander (All the President’s Men) were the other two.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 24||03/11/2019|
Patty Pussy, Best supporting actress for “Catch Her in The Rear”.....total shock.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 25||03/11/2019|
Thanks, I still need to see Grant in that film (with apparently a famous scene of her cutting her hair off in the mirror, right?) Never got Alexander's nominations until "Testament" maybe. Marie France-Pisier should have been up for "Cousin, Cousine" instead. Or Cybill for "Taxi Driver" and, no, I'm not kidding.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 26||03/11/2019|
Piper Laurie's performance went on to become iconic, which, in the long run, is probably the better end of the lollipop. I think those are the performances that really deserve the awards - they're the ones that hold up with time and become beloved. This is why I think much of the Oscars is a crock.
I also find it interesting that there have been any number of really talented actresses who have taken on Laurie's role in other versions of the story and all have, somehow, managed to make the character rather flat and boring. My guess is they're not ballsy enough to risk appearing campy or over the top. Laurie had guts to play that role the way she did, but she's totally supported by De Palma's operatic direction. If I recall, all other versions of Carrie I've seen are far less stylized and interesting from a visual perspective. Maybe an interpretation like Laurie's in those films wouldn't have worked. I don't know, but they should have done something.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 29||03/11/2019|
Beatrice Straight's performance was magnificent and just the kind of role that the Supporting Actor/Actress award was made for. Her win was richly deserved.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 30||03/11/2019|
Carrie's a weird case of pretty good material being turned into high art by a gifted filmmaker. Carrie was the perfect story for De Palma at that time. He turned high school heartbreak into grand opera as only he could do. Spacek and Laurie's performances reflect his direction beautifully. I think maybe it hasn't worked for other filmmakers and artists, because nothing can really be done to improve upon what De Palma and co. did. It was the perfect team at the perfect time and they made a film that, IMO, is even better than the source material.
Every other version I've seen (on stage and on screen) has tried to ground the material too much to some sort of gritty realism and they're all shot/staged like run of the mill dramas. They're mostly flat and colorless, whereas De Palma was bright and baroque and wild. The performances reflected that as well.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 31||03/11/2019|
Just found a cool DVD of "Voyage..." from Greece. Lots of Blu Ray combo packs available too but I preferred the cool artwork of the Greek one including Ms. Dunaway in all her glamour (does she really look like that in the film? I thought there were concentration camp survivors).
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 32||03/11/2019|
here you go. see what I mean?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 33||03/11/2019|
I don’t think they’re concentration camp survivors, I think they’re Jews who are trying to avoid becoming concentration camp victims by escaping Germany. Many of the characters are rich.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 34||03/11/2019|
Vikander won Supporting for the wrong role (The Danish Girl). She should have won for Ex Machina. Whatever, she was an unknown from Sweden and frauded her way to an Oscar, not the first to do that, not the last.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 35||03/11/2019|
R4, Isabelle Adjani was nominated alongside Louise Fletcher’s Nurse Ratched that year. I maintain that Adjani should have won; her performance was exquisite, profoundly committed, and a true lead.
Piper Laurie and Sissy Spacek were phenomenal in Carrie and would have made deserving Oscar winners, but I think genre bias worked against them. Spacek said she was surprised to even be nominated for a horror film.
The Mo’Nique-Piper Laurie comparison is a good one. Both actresses took roles that, if played by less imaginative actresses, could have been flat and cliche.
The idea to have Margaret White make those orgasm sounds while being crucified came from Piper Laurie. It was written as a straight, conventional death scene, but she found a new angle on it.
Mo’Nique also had some inspired comedic moments in ‘Precious’ that added dimension to her character. I loved her playing the role of doting grandmother during the social worker scene and her work in the ‘Two Women’ fantasy sequence—“Eat, you whore!” delivered in a soft, compassionate voice.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 36||03/11/2019|
Just grabbed a copy of "Ship of Fools" too which seems to be Oscar bait about a ship heading TO Germany. Two sides of the same coin/theme? I need to see both.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 37||03/11/2019|
Vikander won for the right role. She was brilliant in The Danish Girl. Makes me laugh when sone idiot moans about Oscar “fraud” as if it was some crucially important issue. It’s just an award show. Vikander wasn’t considered the star like Redmayne.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 38||03/11/2019|
Monique and Laurie's semi-comic takes on their monster mother roles were ingenious and managed to make both roles iconic. You see those two performances and all you can think is "I've never seen anything quite like this before." It's not camp or gritty realism, but some in between place that's hilarious, tragic, and incredibly scary - sorta like life I guess.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 39||03/11/2019|
Piper was in the zone. I think Bette's Davis' Baby Jane was a precursor, scary, funny, and sad.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 40||03/11/2019|
[quote]Vikander won for the right role. She was brilliant in The Danish Girl. Makes me laugh when sone idiot moans about Oscar “fraud” as if it was some crucially important issue. It’s just an award show. Vikander wasn’t considered the star like Redmayne.
The Danish Girl was forgettable, mediocre trash -- no one was "brilliant" in it, moron. Vikander has (rightly) fallen off the map entirely. I hope she enjoys her fraudulent Oscar win because she'll never be nominated again.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 41||03/11/2019|
Marisa Tomei deserved her Oscar. She has nominated several times after her win.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 42||03/11/2019|
I think Close's loss was the biggest shock in Leading Acting. I think Mark Rylance was a surprise (a pleasant one--I think people expected Stallone to win for sentiment (and he was very good, though not at Rylance's level). Much earlier, I think Judy Holiday was a big surprise--good as she was, I bet people assumed Davis or Swanson would win. And Rosalind Russell for Mourning Becomes Electra was such a foregone conclusion that Russell leap to her feat assuming she was a shoo-in. Russell was excellent, especially in comedy and could do good dramatic work as in Sister Kenny, but no one could make O'Neill's turgid dialogue work, including such luminaries as Michael Redgrave (who won one of the awards, though not the. Oscar) and Katina Pacinou, so good in For Whom the Bell Tolls (Supporting Oscar), but not good as a Civil War Clytemnestra. And Kirk Douglas is embarrassing in it.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 43||03/11/2019|
I remember being pleasantly surprised by Jodie Foster’s first win, for The Accused. I thought it would be Glenn Close for Dangerous Liaisons or Sigourney Weaver for Gorillas in the Mist.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 44||03/11/2019|
As always, "most.... ever" in a thread title for Dataloungers means "most... within my personal adult memory," and not really "ever."
Most film history scholars agree that the biggest surprise in Oscar history was in 1948 for the 20th Awards, when the Oscar for Best Actress went to Loretta Young for "The Farmer's Daughter." Rosalind Russell had been heavily favored to win for "Mourning Becomes Electra," and most oddsmakers had put Young dead last when ranking the chances of the five nominees (the other three were Joan Crawford for "Possessed," Dorothy McGuire for "Gentlemen's Agreement," and Susan Hayward for "Smash-Up--The Story of a Woman"). The other four were in serious dramas, while Young was in a sweet comedy. But somehow Young still won.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 45||03/11/2019|
I thought what Mo'Nique had really said was, "If people had come by the set, they'd have no idea what movie we were filming, Gaby and I were scarfing down so much cake and pie."
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 46||03/11/2019|
I think Art Carney's win for "Harry and Tonto" was a shocker. Pacino, De Niro, Hoffman, and Finney provided some seriously stiff competition.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 47||03/11/2019|
Wasn't Tilda Swinton's win a surprise? She even said herself in the press room right after that she thought Ruby Dee would be the winner.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 48||03/11/2019|
Actually one of the biggest surprises was at the 1952 ceremony. The audience was streaming out, believing the Best Picture would be A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE or (maybe) A PLACE IN THE SUN. The departing audience gasped when Danny Kaye announced AN AMERICAN IN PARIS.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 49||03/11/2019|
I hate when they put leading actors in supporting roles: Vikander, Rooney Mara, the list goes on. There should be rules for that. Since the Oscars are so subjective, there will always be debate as to who should have won.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 50||03/11/2019|
I think just about everyone thought Judy Garland had Best Actress in the bag in 1954 for "A Star is Born". The Academy even had Lauren Bacall with an Oscar in her hand standing by outside Judy's hospital room where she had given birth to her son a day or two before, to present to her on live television.
What an eternal downer that the flat semi-talent Grace Kelly won for "The Country Girl", in a role Judy would have also killed in.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 51||03/11/2019|
Maybe not the biggest surprise, but I was genuinely taken aback when Olivia Colman won. Not because she didn't deserve it (she did), but because I thought they would give it to Glenn since she was overdue.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 52||03/12/2019|
For me, it was Julia Roberts (Erin Brokovitch) winning instead of Ellen Burstyn (Requiem For A Dream). Burstyn was absolutely stupendous and heartbreaking and should have won by a longshot. That more or less served to turn me off to the point that I rarely even watch them anymore.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 53||03/12/2019|
I really thought Viola Davis would win for The Help (deservedly so) and was shocked that they gave Meryl a third one for the blah Iron Lady.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 54||03/12/2019|
[QUOTE]But [Straight] was in Network for all of 45 seconds and didn't deserve an Oscar for it.
No, she wasn't. The performance clocks in at just over five minutes and it's glorious.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 55||03/12/2019|
IDK, Bill Holden’s corresponding dressing down of Diana at the end is just as good and he didn’t get shit
I’ve always thought his amazing performance was overshadowed by all the scenery chewing around him
He was the earthy glue that grounded the whole circus and he doesn’t get his due
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 56||03/12/2019|
r32, there's a scene in Voyage of the Damned where Faye steps into the grand dining room in a black dress and sporting a monocle. I can't find a full pic, but I swear I recall the dress having a slit that reveals she's also wearing knee-high boots.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 57||03/12/2019|
Lee Marvin winning for Cat Ballou surprised everyone, including Lee.
He won over Richard Burton, Laurence Olivier, Rod Steiger, and Oskar Werner, all in much more acclaimed movies.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 58||03/12/2019|
In my 30 years of watching the Oscars, here are the wins that totally shocked me:
Kathy Bates in Misery (1990) - the majority of critic's prizes had gone to Joanne Woodward in Mr. and Mrs. Bridge, while Julia Roberts had a possibility of winning for Pretty Woman becoming the "it" star of the era, much like Audrey Hepburn in Roman Holiday.
Anna Paquin in The Piano (1993) - everybody thought it would be Rosie Perez in Fearless.
Juliette Binoche for The English Patient (1996) - Lauren Bacall's withering face was priceless.
Shakespeare in Love for Best Picture (1998) - this was Saving Private Ryan's to lose, but when Harrison Ford announced Shakespeare as the winner, the people at my Oscar-watching party gasped, then cheered with joy (we were exhausted with the whole Saving Private Ryan is the most important picture ever made crap).
Halle Berry in Monster's Ball (2001) - it wasn't a complete shock, but I had thought Sissy Spacek would win for In The Bedroom, so I was a bit surprised.
Adrien Brody in The Pianist (2002) - this was a genuine stunner, though it retrospect it seems logical.
Olivia Colman in The Favourite (2018) - I literally leapt out of my chair, as I thought Glenn's win was an inevitability.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 59||03/12/2019|
Lol at people picking Vikander when she also won the SAG and the Critics’ Choice prior to her win (and got BAFTA and Globe nods). She indeed should have won for Ex Machina but her win was hardly a shock.
Colman was probably the first time an acting winner genuinely shocked me since what’s her face beat Bacall.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 60||03/12/2019|
Sorry Bacall, but smoking 4 packs a day doesn’t win a statue
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 61||03/12/2019|
I think everyone knew Julia Roberts would win, and Ellen Burstyn would have been much more surprising--and much more deserving.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 62||03/12/2019|
[quote] IDK, Bill Holden’s corresponding dressing down of Diana at the end is just as good and he didn’t get shit. I’ve always thought his amazing performance was overshadowed by all the scenery chewing around him He was the earthy glue that grounded the whole circus and he doesn’t get his due.
Agreed. Finch's role was really supporting, and had he been nominated there, he would have won leaving the door open for Holden to win his second Oscar. And Network could have claimed all four acting awards (though for my money, Marlene Warfield was much better and deserving of a nomination than Straight.)
And can we please stop canonizing Ellen Burstyn's dreadful, over the top, hammy performance in Requiem for a Dream? It was the epitome of self indulgent bullshit acting.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 63||03/12/2019|
1962. Ann Bancroft for The Miracle Worker when everyone knew I was the one who deserved it.
Bancroft wasn't the miracle worker, that title should have went to Crawford. Lucille managed to sabotage my win and throw the vote to old Annie. AND pranced onstage to accept the award for Bancroft, who didn't bother to show up, because she figured it was going home with me, because she and everyone knew I. WAS. THAT. DAMNED. GOOD.
What a bitch.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 64||03/12/2019|
They should have moved Burstyn to Supporting for "Requiem". Nobody would have beat her.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 65||03/12/2019|
I'm still bitter about Burstyn losing. But much like Piper Laurie, her performance has lived on and become iconic. Roberts' performance is...well, it's there. I guess she was awarded for being better than average. All joking aside, I thought she was, surprisingly, the best thing about the August: Osage County movie. If you'd told me that I would have thought Julia fucking Roberts would have come across the best in that movie before I saw it, I'd have told you that you were crazy. I was expecting her to be far out of her element, but she was borderline brilliant in the role.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 66||03/12/2019|
All this Julia Roberts vs. Ellen Burstyn stuff, while actually, it was Laura Linney, non flashy as they come, who gave the best performance that year
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 67||03/12/2019|
I thought that Laura Linney should have beaten Cate Blanchett in Best Supporting in 2004 for her role in Kinsey. There was something so incandescent about her performance in that film and I loved her monologue about the gall wasps.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 68||03/12/2019|
What is the most surprising Best Picture win? "Casablanca"? Wasn't it considered #3 that year. I believe that it winning (along with all the awards for Walter Brennan) was what made them eliminate extras from the Academy.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 69||03/12/2019|
When you think about it, does it really matter who wins except to those nominated?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 70||03/12/2019|
For true Oscar fans, yeah, it matters (even when we disagree). It's still the Gold standard for film and film careers.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 71||03/12/2019|
r70, it also matters to filmmakers -- producers, directors, the studio -- if they can advertising "starring Academy Award winning Rami Malek," that will get more money to back the project, if not also get people into seats to see the movie.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 72||03/12/2019|
And, no matter what happens, you are in historic company and every reference, pretty much, including your obituary, is "Oscar winning" or "Oscar nominated". We don't see "Golden Globe nominated" much if at all, do we, because it means nothing. There are only Oscars -- which is why we don't want the New Academy and its big bag of bullshit to turn it into the Peoples Choice Awards. This year's winners was a good sign, actually, that all is still okay -- a perfect mix of hits and critical darlings. So I have hope.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 73||03/12/2019|
You people are just messing with me aren't you?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 74||03/12/2019|
It would be nice if a presenter preceded naming the nominees by saying: "the winners are..." followed by "the Oscar goes to..."
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 75||03/12/2019|
Picture-Greatest Show On Earth and Shakespeare in Love. Two genuine shockers. Probably the biggest in this category.
Actor-Adrien Brody and Lee Marvin
Actress-the Hepburn Streisand tie. Loretta Young was huge too.
Supporting actor-Alan Arkin and Robert DeNiro and Red Buttons
Supporting actress-Marisa Tomei and Miyoshi Umeki
Director-Roman Polanski The absolute biggest shockers are the ones you never saw coming with the winners winning nothing before hand. Lee and Barbra won globes, but Cat Ballou was considered pretty lightweight to win over formidable dramatic performances. Burton probably shit when he heard he lost to Marvin.
No one could’ve predicted a tie in 1969 between two actresses. Shakespeare won a globe for comedy pic, but no one I think took it seriously to pull off a best pic Oscar win against Spielberg at his peak.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 76||03/12/2019|
Who was the favorite to win in the year Red Buttons won?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 77||03/12/2019|
I loved that year also because both screenwriting winners -- "The Pianist" and "Talk to Her" -- were non-WGA scripts that hadn't been in the running anywhere. One might be normal but both, really interesting (or to me anyway since I'm a writer).
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 78||03/12/2019|
R77 r76 here. My bad. Buttons won a globe too. Arthur Kennedy was on his 4th nomination for Peyton Place. But Buttons had some momentum, so I’ll probably take him out. It was really Umeki who was the surprise for Sayonara, not both.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 79||03/12/2019|
Thanks, you just motivated me to order cool dvd of "Peyton Place". Which was up for, get this, 9 fucking Oscars. Nine! I am amazed.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 80||03/12/2019|
R53 it was a surprise to no one Julia beat Ellen Burstyn. It was her prom night and Hollywood honoring their current queen for all the money she made the industry. And Winona Ryder was actually the favorite the year Anna Paquin swooped in and stole the prize.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 81||03/12/2019|
[quote] Burton probably shit when he heard he lost to Marvin.
Then I feel very sorry for whoever sat next to him in the auditorium.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 82||03/12/2019|
All the gasping and leaping from chairs!
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 84||03/12/2019|
Well I'll just say Moonlight and get it out of the way.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 85||03/13/2019|
Philip Seymour Hoffman should have been nominated for Before The Knows Your Dead.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 86||03/13/2019|
Geoffrey Rush was a silly win. He was okay, but he is hardly in it. If the main character hadn't been Jewish, I really don't think the movie would have got much attention in the US.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 87||03/13/2019|
For me the biggest surprise was Marisa Tomei and as a poster above pointed out it was deserved and she went on to two other very well deserved nominations. I was expecting Joan Plowright to win. Judy Davis was tinged by appeared in a Woody Allen film the year the Allen/Farrow scandal broke - the Academy was not going to have someone getting on stage thanking Woody Allen in 1993. Miranda Richardson was in a film few saw (Damage) and there is no way the Academy were going to let Vanessa Redgrave on the stage again. Actually it was one of the best supporting actress line-ups ever - all excellent performances;
Roman Polanski was a surprise - I expected Rob Marshall for Chicago but lets face it whatever one thinks of Polanski he was the most deserving of the nominees;
Olivia Colman - like many I expected Glenn Close to win based on sentiment. I've watched Olivia Colmans reaction so many times on You Tube and she is so shocked. She looked like she was going to pass out in shock - thank goodness her husband and Emma Stone were there to hold her up. Great speech too - you could tell she honestly did not expect to win. And a very worthy winner too - only Melissa McCarthy came close performance wise.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 88||03/13/2019|
R73 Golden Globe nomination doesn't mean anything? I'll hunt you down and kills you slowly.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 89||03/13/2019|
R87 Tammy deserved that Oscar. Though he is generally so-so at best, his work in Jerry Maguire is his very best and frankly the best of 1996. Rush was so hammy and thats pretty much what he has delivered since.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 90||03/13/2019|
[quote]there's a scene in Voyage of the Damned where Faye steps into the grand dining room in a black dress and sporting a monocle
It's a nod to a style very popular during the Weimar Republik era just a few years before. She's trying to recapture the libertine, free, accepting Germany that disappeared so quickly.
But for some reason everyone seems to think it's some kind of campy mistake.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 91||03/13/2019|
Wasn’t Woody Harrelson pissed Rush won?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 92||03/13/2019|
[quote]Philip Seymour Hoffman should have been nominated for Before The Knows Your Dead.
He was great in that film. That entire cast was full of talented individuals. Hoffman was nominated that year, but for Charlie Wilson's War.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 93||03/13/2019|
Doesn't it seem to most often be in the supporting actress races?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 94||03/13/2019|
[QUOTE]Philip Seymour Hoffman should have been nominated for Before The Devil Knows Your Dead.
I thought this film was such an underrated masterpiece and should've netted nominations for both Hoffman and Ethan Hawke. I'll always remember how the movie literally begins with a show of PSH fucking Marisa Tomei from behind.
I also remember being haunted by Rosemary Harris in a small role.
And in perhaps an eerie foreshadowing, Hoffman's characters massively overdoses at the end of the film.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 95||03/13/2019|
Thanks for the spoiler R95. Who is going to watch that “masterpiece” after you just ruined it?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 96||03/13/2019|
Why does the above Voyage of the Damned look like a sequel to The Poseidon Adventure with the well dressed people screaming on a listing ship? Talk about false advertising. No wonder the film bombed.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 97||03/13/2019|
^ And Faye Dunaway, freshly rescued in the scenic elevator from The Towering Inferno, featured most prominently among the panicked passengers!
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 98||03/13/2019|
Halle Berry winning for Monsters Ball, was a huge surprise. Her performance wasn’t all that. The Academy’s choosing her for Best Actress was a self-congratulatory move at best. Angela Bassett should have won a few years earlier for her amazing performance as Tina Turner.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 100||03/13/2019|
Marcia Gay Harden is a very accomplished actress, who is also a thespian and has been to good and very good drama departments for college and school; she really learned her craft, not typical for Hollywood at all; she only won for supporting actress, so not as big, she also got a Tony and several Emmy, Screen Actors and Oscar nominations, and has been in several critical darlings and successes in movies and theatre. At the beginning of her career she also got a Theatre World award. Bringing her as an example at the OP is probably not such a good choice.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 101||03/13/2019|
[QUOTE]Bringing her as an example at the OP is probably not such a good choice.
This thread is about "Most Surprising Oscar Wins Ever" and Marcia Gay Harden's victory over Kate Hudson was absolutely jaw-dropping at the time. Her very accomplished pedigree is not assailed by her being listed here.
What exactly are you going on about? Learn how to read.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 102||03/13/2019|
^ Yes, r101 doesn’t understand the thread.
Kate Hudson was predicted to win. Marcia Gay Harden won in an upset.
Another title for the thread could be Biggest Oscar Upsets.
I never knew Bacall blamed her loss on Harvey Weinstein. In 2019, we can probably guess she was right.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 103||03/13/2019|
Weinstein got a lot of people underserved oscars.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 104||03/13/2019|
Meant to write undeserved but it changed.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 105||03/13/2019|
The most surprising of all was Lee Marvin's Oscar. So surprising that barely anyone even seems to remember.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 106||03/13/2019|
I thought Alicia Vikander was quite lovely in The Danish Girl. I don't mind her win all that much, but I think she was phenomenal in Ex Machina. I just sort of pretend she really won for the latter film that year.
I personally would have given the Oscar to Jennifer Jason-Leigh that year if for nothing else than her 11th hour, blood-splattered monologue at the end of The Hateful Eight.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 107||03/13/2019|
I'm kinda surprised Jennifer Jason Leigh hasn't won an Oscar yet. She's always been just about the best thing in everything she's in. You can never take your eyes off of her.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 108||03/13/2019|
R100 Berry won at SAG so she had momentum. Marcia Gay Harden is definitely a good choice. The biggest surprises are the ones who come out of left field who win NO precursors like critics awards or globe, SAG or bafta.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 109||03/13/2019|
Marcia Gay Harden was major category fraud too. Big time leading lady in that film.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 110||03/13/2019|
Speaking of Marcia Gay Harden, has anyone seen her latest Lifetime movie where she plays that crazy lady who faked her child's illness and then her kid ended up killing her? Patricia Arquette is playing the exact same role in a new Hulu movie based on the same case.
I loved her in The Mist. She was the best crazy religious nutcase I've seen since Piper Laurie in Carrie (yep, it all circles back). They should have tried to get her for one of those Carrie remakes. I bet she would have kept Margaret scary.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 111||03/13/2019|
Grace Kelly for The Country Girl. A dreary performance by a weak actress in an unremarkable film. Yet she beat Judy Garland in A Star is Born.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 112||03/13/2019|
R112 not a surprise. Kelly won national board of review, NY film critics and globe. ALL the precursors in 1955. Garland won the comedy musical globe, but the studio cut the hell out of the release of A Star Is Born. Plus Garland had a poor reputation in the industry in 1955. Whereas Kelly had studio support behind her. I still can’t believe people actually still think Garland had a snowballs chance in hell to win that year.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 113||03/13/2019|
OP, Beatrice Straight was surprising but nobody cared, or cares, for very much Supporting Actress.
For me it'll always be Glenda Jackson winning for a pleasant comedy A Touch of Class in 1974 - over dramatic performances by Barbra Streisand, Joanne Woodward, Marsha Mason and Ellen Burstyn. Everyone was SHOCKED. The money was on Streisand - big star, good performance, hit movie, just what Hollywood loves. Of course she was too chicken to sit in the audience with the others. I was depressed for a week.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 114||03/13/2019|
R114 interesting that Jackson won the comedy globe and AToC was nominated for best pic and people are still surprised she won. Everything she touched turned to gold in the early 70s. But I guess up against Streisand’s charisma and Burstyn being in a blockbuster it was still deemed a shocker.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 115||03/13/2019|
Sometime all it takes is a phone call.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 116||03/13/2019|
I posted this before, but there's a rumor that the difference between 1st place and 5th place when Glenda Jackson won her second Oscar was four votes (Jackson beat the runner up by a vote, third place finisher by two etc...).
Talia Shire should've listened to the studio who wanted to submit her in the supporting actress category but she went for lead. She would've easily won for Rocky that year. Harden did win the NY Film Critic's Circle Award that year, but what I read benefited her the most was that the Pollack screener was one of the last released and going in watched on the momentum of Ed Harris' performance, but Harden's performance was "discovered" so to speak and it pushed her over the top.
Roberts was in a box office smash and that year was also the year of Steven Soderbergh who was nominated for two directing Oscars that year for Brokovich and Traffic for which he won for.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 118||03/13/2019|
The guy from The Killing Fields winning Supporting Actor. Tom Hulce should have frauded into that category instead of going lead, probably would have won (?)
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 119||03/13/2019|
ugh, you want to cure a love for Tom Hulce, just meet him. But you might be right about his win, though Haing was a popular choice since he really survived Vietnam (and then, sadly, died in just another L.A. robbery).
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 120||03/13/2019|
[quote] Haing was a popular choice since he really survived Vietnam
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 122||03/13/2019|
Not really, R115, she just split the vote. Jackson worked a lot in the 1970s, but she was not Hollywood's darling. Nor movie goers darling. She was lucky, it wasn't what she touched turned to gold.
I will never understand why this little trifle of a film A Touch of Class was recognized for so many awards. There were very few romantic comedies at the time, that counted. Comedy Golden Globe, okay, but Oscar? Fucking ridiculous.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 124||03/13/2019|
I love this GIF of Brody winning. The looks on everyone's faces are priceless. I love Michael Caine, who says "Oh, wonderful!"
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 125||03/13/2019|
Jackson was great in a cheesy movie. Liv Ullmann, who won both the National Society of Critics Award and the National Board of Review Award that year, was great in a great movie, "The New Land". She wasn't nominated for an Oscar, although she had been for "The Emigrants", in which she plays the same character, the previous year.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 126||03/13/2019|
R120 Haing survived the horrors of Pol Pot in Cambodia (in real life and in The Killing Fields) not Vietnam.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 127||03/13/2019|
Can I really be the first to question George Chakiris' win for West Side Story?? Especially against the utterly harrowing performance of Monty Clift in Judgment at Nuremberg?? Yes, George's dancing was great but great dancing never got Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly an Oscar.
And what about Ginger Rogers' win for Kitty Foyle over Kate Hepburn in The Philadelphia Story, Bette Davis in The Letter and Joan Fontaine in Rebecca? Who can explain that one? Actually, I think DL threads have been devoted to this question.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 128||03/13/2019|
What this thread proves is that there have been just as many, if not more, undeserved wins than deserved wins.
It also proves how "of the moment" the Oscars are. With hindsight, we see all of the flaws of judgment very clearly.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 129||03/13/2019|
R125 Nicholson lobbied for Brody and The Pianist that year.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 130||03/13/2019|
R128: Chakiris' win for WWS can be attributed (in part) to the "tidal wave" effect, in which a hugely popular movie also wins all the awards, sweeping less deserving performers along. (See also: Hugh Griffith's win for "Ben Hur").
I would argue that Chakiris gave a smoldering, suppressed fury to his portrayal of Bernardo. And Monty Clift, like Judy had burned a lot of bridges with his behavior especially after his accident.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 131||03/13/2019|
[quote] But for some reason everyone seems to think it's some kind of campy mistake.
I think it was because Pauline Kael wrote, "Cast as a woman who doesn't excite her husband, Faye Dunaway must have decided she'd better give the public [italic]something,[/italic] and so at one point appears dressed to outdo the Nazis--she wears jackboots and a monocle."
Dataloungers love to bitch about Kael, but you have to admit, she had a very memorable and funny way with a sentence.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 132||03/13/2019|
Miss Dunaway ALWAYS gave her public something.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 133||03/13/2019|
R128, I would say why no Stanwyck in Sorry Wrong Number (they owed her), but since I wasn't around at the time, I can't offer any explanation. (Stany was not owned by a studio and there was no promotion, blah blah blah)
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 134||03/13/2019|
"Especially against the utterly harrowing performance of Monty Clift in Judgment at Nuremberg?"
Judy and Clift's performances were overwrought. Lots of raw emoting with no composition are not great performances, darlings.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 135||03/13/2019|
I just don't think that's true, r135. Both performances have great integrity and honesty and build very gradually and believably in their solo scenes. They're truly actors you watch here on the edge of your seat.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 136||03/13/2019|
R124 Jackson was nominated four times and won Oscars twice between 1971-1976. Plus she won TWO Emmys for her Elizabeth miniseries in this time frame. If that’s not being Hollywood’s darling I don’t know what is. But she did it on her terms. It was more than luck. She was talented in spades.
ATOC wasn’t a huge awards winner either. It only won one other globe for George Segal. I think Jackson was a natural choice for a second Oscar. Streisand already had developed prima Donna reputation by 1974, Burstyn probably suffered from being in a horror movie which turned some voters off, and they were indifferent to Mason who was still a newcomer, despite winning the drama globe and Woodward who was critical of the Academy. They really didn’t care to reward Newman a first yet, so they weren’t going to give Joanne a second.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 137||03/13/2019|
R137, did you watch, were you alive at the time? Just wondering, it matters.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 138||03/13/2019|
I was 7 at the time Jackson won her second. And how does it matter? I’ve seen the clip multiple times. Woodward and Burstyn seem surprised. Mason I think was resigned to losing and didn’t expect it. Streisand was backstage and left the Dorothy Chandler after her category. The audience didn’t seem too surprised. In fact when Jack Lemmon won lead actor there seemed to be a little more activity. Probably because he was there.
I stand by my reasons why Glenda won. Jackson was on a roll during this time frame. It wasn’t like this year and the surprise of Colman beating a 7 time nominee and Hollywood vet.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 139||03/13/2019|
Marisa Tomei OWNS this thread.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 140||03/13/2019|
I'm reading Michael Caine's new book (not recommended, kind of fragmented, best to skim.)
Anyway he was sort of #metoo'd by Glenda Jackson. He is discussing nude scenes and says he did a film with Jackson and she made him uncomfortable since she seemed to enjoy being naked on film and walked around the set that way.
(see Lauer, Matt)
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 141||03/13/2019|
R96 No one tell him the ship sinks in the end with Titanic.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 142||03/13/2019|
Woodward’s movie came and went and didn’t get attention until she won the NYFC award and she was snubbed a year before for her marvelous performance in the affect of gamma rays. Streisand wasn’t going to win oscar #2 so soon. Burstyn was hurt by a lot of memebers refusing to even see the exorcist.
Both the performance that won that year weren’t too heavy a touch of class is comedy and save the tiger is mild drama.
The acting awards the next year were light drama/comedy as well.
Louise fletcher wasn’t a shock she was expected to win. She benefitted from a cuckoos nest sweep, an inconic performance that is still as frightening today and perhaps what benefitted her the most was how weak the category was that year. So weak Ellen burstyn said they should cancel the category to which in her own way Louise fletcher told her to go fuck herself.
Jodie foster was a mild surprise, sigourney Weaver was expected to win the supporting actress trophy. Streep and Glenn gave the best performances but the category was pretty solid that year.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 143||03/13/2019|
I always thought Marcia Mason lost that year (and in subsequent years) because she was Neil Simon's wife. ("She doesn't have to audition, she got the role because she slept with the writer"!)
Unfair, but possibly true.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 144||03/14/2019|
r144, Neil Simon didn't write Cinderella Liberty, the movie for which Mason received her first nomination. He did write her next 3 nominated roles: The Goodbye Girl ('77), Chapter Two ('79) and Only When I Laugh ('81).
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 145||03/14/2019|
R144 I don’t think it was any resentment or jealousy on Oscar voters parts. Like Amy Adams, never the front runner in her multiple noms. She probably came the closest to winning in 1978, but Keaton was unstoppable with the one two punch of AH and Goodbar.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 146||03/14/2019|
R139, perspective matters. Being 30 vs 7 makes a difference in how you perceive your surroundings and the world, something you cannot fully appreciate by reading a book or seeing a video clip. I was 18.
Way too many people posting here who got all of this info and their opinions from reading lists and watching Youtube clips.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 147||03/14/2019|
Katina Paxinou owns this thread.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 148||03/14/2019|
Who was expected to win in her category that year, R148? One of the Song of Bernadette women?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 149||03/14/2019|
You sound insufferable, R147
Are you really trying to say that watching the broadcast live on ABC is somehow different than watching the original ABC broadcast on YouTube?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 150||03/14/2019|
R147 well you’re around 62 now. Do you have the same perspective on life and the world around you did when you were 18? I get it. People were surprised when Glenda won. It’s probably in the top 10 of all Oscar surprises. All I’m saying is I’m not sure why they were. She won the globe and was in a best pic nominee. That always give you momentum to win. I made my reasons clear as to why she did upthread. Lemmon was more of a surprise winner in my book. Beating both Nicholson and Pacino. He didn’t win anything leading up to the show, and was mostly a makeup Oscar for losing his three best actor nominations previously.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 152||03/14/2019|
In the 1970s the Golden Globes was a syndicated drunk-fest and never taken seriously. Nothing like it is now.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 153||03/14/2019|
It's not taken seriously now, R153.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 154||03/14/2019|
[QUOTE]LEE MARVIN, you idiots.
Already mentioned above by several people, you complete retard.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 156||03/14/2019|
R154, if you think what they have now is ridiculous, it was 1,000 times worse when Glenda Jackson won it for Best Actress in a comedy/musical. So many site that "win" as why she was going to win the Oscar. NOT.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 157||03/14/2019|
Globes set the pace for the rest of the awards season like it or not. It’s always been that way from its inception in 1943. Ridiculous that close to mainly100 barely literate barely qualifying so called journalists decide what’s best for film. Look at this year. They got every Oscar winner right. Most years they do.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 158||03/14/2019|
Well, they didn't get the most important one right, r158.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 159||03/14/2019|
Robert Benigni, it should have been Edward Norton for American History X.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 162||03/14/2019|
R162 It should have been anyone but Benigni!
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 163||03/14/2019|
That little bitch from The Piano
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 164||03/14/2019|
Awww, look at the young Muhammed Ali and the even younger Sly Stallone in OP’s clip.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 165||03/14/2019|
Mr Day Lewis was quite the slut in those days. He was getting that big dick around even knocking up poor Adjani and tossing her aside before the poor dear could give birth.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 166||03/14/2019|
If we're going to talk about most surprising "ever", somebody needs to mention "It Happened One Night" sweeping the major categories way back in 1934. It's studio, Columbia, was considered Poverty Row before this movie. Claudette Colbert was supposedly so not expecting to win that they had to fetch her from the train station , where she was due to leave on a trip, to collect her Best Actress award.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 167||03/14/2019|
Roberto Benigni wasn't a surprise. He was heavily predicted. He belongs in a different thread of wins they now regret.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 169||03/14/2019|
Tilda was a huge surprise. I actually won an Oscar pool because I picked her and no one else did.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 170||03/14/2019|
Beatrice Straight obviously belonged on Broadway and TV rather than La-La Land.
She has a luminous presence in this surprisingly-good but little-known, humane movie—
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 171||03/15/2019|
I vote for the Barbra Streisand-Katharine Hepburn Best Actress tie. Look at the shock on Ingrid Bergman's face.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 172||03/15/2019|
^Babs' dress belongs to a hooker!
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 173||03/15/2019|
Interestingly, the acting wins for It Happened One Night started NO trend of awarding Oscars to comedic performances. When was the next time one won (or was even nominated)?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 174||03/15/2019|
[quote]When was the next time one won (or was even nominated)?
Kevin Kline in A Fish Called Wanda is the last really comedic performance to win that I can recall. I’ve never seen Little Miss Sunshine so I don’t know if Alan Arkin’s performance is a comedic one.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 175||03/15/2019|
R175 It's quite comedic with some dramatic moments.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 176||03/15/2019|
Judy Holliday's in Born Yesterday is most surely one, R175.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 177||03/15/2019|
My response was for R174 as well as R175
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 178||03/15/2019|
r175, performances that won Best Actress or Best Actor for comedy films after 1934 (It Happened One Night):
Best Actress: Loretta Young in The Farmer's Daughter ('47); Judy Holliday in Born Yesterday ('50); Audrey Hepburn in Roman Holiday ('53); Glenda Jackson in A Touch of Class ('73); Diane Keaton in Annie Hall ('77); Cher in Moonstruck ('87); Frances McDormand in Fargo ('96); Helen Hunt in As Good as it Gets ('97); Gwyneth Paltrow in Shakespeare in Love ('98); Jennifer Lawrence in Silver Linings Playbook ('12); Olivia Colman in The Favourite ('18).
Best Actor: James Stewart in The Philadelphia Story ('40); Bing Crosby in Going My Way ('44); Lee Marvin in Cat Ballou ('65); Richard Dreyfuss in The Goodbye Girl ('77); Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump ('94); Jack Nicholson in As Good as it Gets ('97); Roberto Benigni in Life is Beautiful ('98); Jean Dujardin in The Artist ('11).
There are a few that are debatable whether it's a dramatic-with-comedy elements or comedy-with-dramatic elements like Shirley MacLaine in Terms of Endearment ('83) or Kevin Spacey in American Beauty ('99).
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 179||03/15/2019|
Anna Paquin for "The Piano" - really?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 180||03/15/2019|
If you are including supporting wins, there are many comedic roles including the splash in the early 90s with Whoopi, Tomei, and Jack Palance
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 181||03/15/2019|
R179 a lot of those a dramatic roles with slight comedy elements but true purely comedic roles dont get recognized often or just get noms. I still stand by my belief that a great comedic performance is more impressive than a dramatic one. It's fairly easy to make someone feel for you if you play a bereaved wife but making someone genuinely laugh as well as having a full dimensional character is hard.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 182||03/15/2019|
I always thought Mercedes Ruehl was robbed for a nomination for "Married to the Mob", though they made up for it later of course. Instead, they went for Stockwell's Tony the Tiger in the same film (so no issue with it being a light comedy).
I love Pfeiffer in it as well and I don't love her in everything.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 183||03/15/2019|
Good list of comedic wins, r179, though I might question some of them like Loretta Young, Audrey Hepburn, Helen Hunt, Gwyneth Paltrow and Bing Crosby. While their films might be classified as comedies and their performances were certainly skilled, they didn't play characters with much opportunity to display any comic chops. Though maybe I'm being overly picky?
But it's interesting (and sad to me) that there are so few winners in the Golden Age of the 1930s/1940s when Howard Hawks, Frank Capra, Preston Sturges and others were making some of the wittiest and smartest comedies in Hollywood history.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 184||03/15/2019|
R170 actually Entertainment Weekly picked Tilda to win so I wasn’t shocked. There are too many people picking winners on here who won critics awards, globes and or SAG . How can it be a surprise if you’re winning significant precursors before Oscar? Roberto is one. He won SAG first.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 185||03/15/2019|
Tilda's win was one of the most satisfying actually. Great work in a great role in a great film. Odd that she has never been back since though, not even for "Kevin".
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 186||03/15/2019|
Most Woody Allen actors except Blanchett were for comedies.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 187||03/15/2019|
Tilda offended people with her awards speeches. At both her Oscar and BAFTA wins she said she was going to give the award to her agents. It was like she was too cool for school and didn't want the award. I think that cost her votes for Kevin.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 188||03/15/2019|
^ This Matilda woman giving an Oscar away? What a snooty bitch!
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 189||03/15/2019|
I guess the best supporting actress each year correctly. I knew Marissa Tomei should be nominated and win...and i saw my cousin vinny very early on, when no one wud expect that kind if film to be oscar nominated. And Mercedes ruehl...she was magnificent in The fisherking..Why did it not result in a career????
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 190||03/15/2019|
By her own account Mercedes Ruehl get a very swelled head after the Oscar win. She thought (and said in interviews) that she felt she had now reached a certain level of award winning actresses like Meryl and Jessica Lange and expected lead roles like they got.
She was too odd a type for that. She held out for offers for leading roles and they didn't come and then people forgot about her.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 191||03/15/2019|
Juliette Binoche was a shocker. Everyone thought Bacall had that one in the bag.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 192||03/15/2019|
I got to vote one year when a close friend was given a ballot by her boss to fill out, and close friend knew I cared about this stuff, so my choices mattered the year of Gladiator; Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon; Req for a Dream; Almost Famous; Traffic; Erin Brockovich, etc.
The day of the evening that we met for me to mark my choices, I went and saw Pollock to see Ed Harris strut his stuff. He was excellent. But, as a poster already opined earlier in this thread (and correctly), it was Marcia Gay Harden who really blew me away, and unexpectedly so.
Until that afternoon, I was Kate Hudson ALL THE WAY. I loved Almost Famous and loved her Penny Lane. But Pollock got me thinking, and I was on the fence till the last minute. What finally helped me make my decision (and these things are random from voters, of course) was how much I'd loved Harden as Harper in Angels in America on Broadway. Plus I thought Hudson would have many more nominations ahead of her. (Oops.) So Harden got my vote, but I was still sure Hudson was going to win. I was just as surprised as everyone else when Harden took the gold.
As for the other categories, I voted for Benecio Del Toro for Traffic (winner), Ellen Burstyn for Req for a Dream (should have won), Javier Bardem for Before Night Falls (lost, expectedly), Stephen Daldry for director (for Billy Elliot, though I knew he too would lose), Almost Famous and Traffic for the screenplay awards (and both won). Hilariously, I can't remember exactly which film I voted for for Best Pic. Would not have been Gladiator, though I did like that. It was probably Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, cause I'd loved Ang Lee for Wedding Banquet; Eat, Drink, Man, Woman; Sense and Sensibility and especially The Ice Storm.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 193||03/15/2019|
Daniel Day Lewis over Tom Cruise was a big deal. No one knew who DDL was
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 194||03/15/2019|
What’s the point of respecting awards given out vas’s on something other than the nominated performance?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 197||03/16/2019|
Glenn losing to the gummy British TV actress was very surprising.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 198||03/16/2019|
I'm totally in agreement, r184; I got to see My Man Godfrey (1936) on the big screen a few weeks ago and the performances in that film are breathtakingly hilarious. I suppose it's to the Academy's credit that 4 of the stars of that film were nominated, but it's still maddening that William Powell's magnificent performance in Godfrey lost to Paul Muni's "serious" overacting in The Story of Louis Pasteur.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 199||03/16/2019|
R194 My Left Foot was in the public consciousness and got a best pic nom. DDL swept the critics awards but lost the globe. I was thrilled when he won the Oscar. Cruise could never accomplish what DDL did in MLF.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 200||03/16/2019|
Powell was indeed lovely in MMG, R199, but no one that year, including him, could be compared with Walter Huston in Dodsworth. I hate hyperbolic superlatives as the next guy, but this is perhaps the greatest performances given by an actor in a Hollywood film of the Golden Age.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 201||03/16/2019|
[quote]It wasn’t like this year and the surprise of Colman beating a 7 time nominee and Hollywood vet.
It was not surprising. Close was the frontrunner, but Colman was predicted to be the person to get it if Glenn would lose. And that's exactly what happened. It was shocking that Close lost, but it was not a surprise that Colman won. Now if Melissa McCarthy, Lady Gaga or Yalitza had won, that would have been a huge surprise.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 202||03/16/2019|
Helen Hunt, no contest.
Marisa Tomei was not a surprise and was completely deserved. It was exactly the kind of performance in a supporting role that, even if you dont care for the movie, if you come across it while flipping channels, you would wait for that trial testimony scene.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 203||03/16/2019|
R203 Helen Hunt was the front runner. She won SAG.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 204||03/16/2019|
My Man Godrey is so funny. And Gail Patrick, as Lombard's sister, is beautifully costumed and photographed.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 205||03/16/2019|
Lady Gaga and that bad little pop song.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 206||03/16/2019|
I thought the little boy who took up the first half of "My Left Foot" was the real heartbreaker. But Tom Cruise was really obnoxious in the general obnoxious "Born on the 4th of July" -- which nobody ever mentions anymore. 'Penis! Penis! Penis!" I hated it (and I had loved the book).
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 207||03/16/2019|
R202 you’re splitting hairs.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 208||03/16/2019|
My memory of the '97 Best Actress race (or '98, if you prefer) was that it was a two-way race between Judi Dench and Helen Hunt, with the latter having the benefit of appearing in a hit film, being a child actress who made good (see also Jodie Foster), concurrently starring on a top 10 TV show, and being the only American in her category (the other nominees were Julie Christie, Helena Bonham Carter and Kate Winslet).
Nevermind that Hunt's was the least impressive of the five nominated.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 209||03/16/2019|
r201, yes, Walter Huston is magnificent in Dodsworth, but I'm thinking with hindsight -- Huston has an Oscar for Treasure of the Sierra Madre, so let's give it to Powell for Godfrey, since he never won an Oscar and was as much an icon of the Golden Age as Huston.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 210||03/16/2019|
Was Jimmy Stewart's win for The Philadelphia Story considered a consolation prize for losing for Mr. Smith Comes to Washington?
How else can that one be explained? Wasn't he even more of a Featured Actor than Lead? I wonder if it was considered a surprise win in its time?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 211||03/16/2019|
It's a nice change discussing some of these perplexing Oscars that occurred pre-1970.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 212||03/16/2019|
R211 yes it was. Robert Donat won the year before beating Gable and Stewart. Interesting neither of them could pull off a win here. Gone With The Wind was of course a smash, but they might’ve thought it was Scarlett’s story and Rhett wasn’t much of a stretch. I have no idea how Stewart could lose, but they made it up to him the year after.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 213||03/16/2019|
R213. Yes, and Henry Fonda should have won for "The Grapes of Wrath" ( which means voters wouldn't have felt obliged to give it to him on his deathbed "On Golden Showers," and could have given it to Lancaster, who deserved it, and Best Actress would not have been the matched set with Shaky Kate).
Or, it could have gone to Chaplin for "The Great Dictator," a masterpiece of comic acting.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 214||03/16/2019|
R199 That Paul Muni was such a tedious SJW!
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 215||03/16/2019|
Was Olivia de Haviland's first Oscar win for To Each His Own considered a shocker at the time? Has anyone here ever seen that film? Has anyone even heard of it??
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 216||03/16/2019|
^ I couldn't watch it. Olivia was simpering all over the place.
And her leading man was a nobody called 'John Lund' who had "B-Picture" written all over his guilty-face.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 217||03/16/2019|
R216. I think it was expected--she played an unwed mother, different ages, wartime plots. But it should have gone to Celia Johnson for her exquisite work in "Brief Encounter." Ironically, O's win for TEHO may have kept her from winning two years later for "The Snake Pit" (she won the NYCC for it) followed by a win for "The Heiress" the next year.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 218||03/16/2019|
It comes across as a pretty standard melodrama today, but was a big hit in 1946, which probably helped her win. I thought her roles in "The Snake Pit" and "The Heiress" were more interesting.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 219||03/16/2019|
I agree, "The Snake Pit" and "The Heiress" were more interesting but the stupid Oscars are just a silly lottery of good luck and bad.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 220||03/16/2019|
OdH first win was for winning a groundbreaking case in court, which practically freed actors from the studios, resulting with the De Havilland Law. She was seen as a kind of Spartacus by her fellow actors, hence the win.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 221||03/17/2019|
Barbara Stanwyck should have won a "we owe you" Oscar for Sorry Wrong Number (1948) - her fourth nomination, others were Stella Dallas, Ball of Fire and Double Indemnity. If not that, she should have been nominated and won that owed Oscar for any number of great performances after such as The Furies (1950). A good one was All I Desire (1953), how difficult would it have been to win an a owed Oscar over Audrey Hepburn, Leslie Caron and Ava Gardner? Not nominated!
Stanwyck later got one of those ridiculous lifetime achievement Oscars in 1982.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 222||03/17/2019|
The list of good actors and actresses that have never won is incredible.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 223||03/17/2019|
All I Desire is fantastic. Stanwyck’s work with Sirk is sublime. A very strange film, but There’s Always Tomorrow is absolutely fantastic as well. Love them both.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 224||03/17/2019|
"Bridge of Spies" is listed among my all-time favorite films, due primarily to the brilliant Mark Rylance. His Oscar win was deserved and worthy of a standing ovation. Mr. Rylance can convey more with his eyes and movements than any working actor today...stage or screen.
"Wolf Hall on Masterpiece" starring Mark Rylance and Damien Lewis is currently airing on PBS snd is well-worth your time.
Most surprising win was the cringe inducing "Crash," already forgotten while "Brokeback Mountain" is an icon.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 225||03/17/2019|
For those who cast doubt over Lee Marvin's "Cat Ballou" win, remember he performed dual roles there. Great performance!
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 226||03/17/2019|
Just saw "Ship of Fools' and loved it, old Hollywood glamour and Stanley Kramer social commentary, flaws and all. Did not realize Oskar Werner was up against his co-star Lee Marvin (for a different film, of course)., Loved Werner and his shock of blond hair. And Signoret too.
I wish Oskar had gotten the Award for this and his double shot in "Man with the Golden Arm" (with yet another nominated co-star).
Also interesting to see the only (I assume?) "little person" ever nominated for an Oscar. Had never known this somehow.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 227||03/17/2019|
How can we forget Miss Hattie McDaniel's historic win over fellow nominees Olivia de Havilland and Geraldine Fitzgerald.
Now THAT was a surprise! The Academy got it right that night in bravely acknowledging and rewarding a flawless performance.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 228||03/17/2019|
Wasn’t brenda fricker a huge surprise as well?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 229||03/17/2019|
R229 Not to anyone who'd seen the film. She was a surprise for the British public as she was famous only for her role in the long-running television drama Casualty. In fact I think she still remains most famous for that in the UK as she ended up going back to it.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 230||03/17/2019|
Olivia would have won another Oscar if James Cameron had cast her as Old Rose in Titanic and not that god awful piece of wood, Gloria Stuart.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 231||03/17/2019|
The winners are not determined by committee, but by ballot R228 (and everybody).
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 232||03/17/2019|
Michael Dunne in Ship of Fools may have been the first little person to be nominated for an Oscar but Linda Hunt was the first one to win an Oscar.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 233||03/17/2019|
Ship of Fools is a wonderful film ruined by bad hair and makeup design that looks nothing like the 1930s period it portrays.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 234||03/17/2019|
Will Tom Cruise be the second little person to win an Oscar?
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 235||03/17/2019|
Lee Grant was in one of the best ever episodes of Colombo, I didn't realize she was a real actress, that won an Oscar of Shampoo and had been nominated for other awards. I mean she was brilliant in Colombo, but thought they only used no name actors and actresses.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 236||03/17/2019|
[quote]I wish Oskar had gotten the Award for this and his double shot in "Man with the Golden Arm" (with yet another nominated co-star).
Werner was not in "The Man with the Golden Arm".
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 239||03/17/2019|
Sorry, meant "Spy Who Came in from the Cold". Get all those '60s thrillers mixed up (and getting a bit spacey in my not so old age).
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 240||03/17/2019|
Wasn't The Man with the Golden Arm a mid-1950s film starring Frank Sinatra and Kim Novak about drug addiction? No spies there.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 241||03/17/2019|
Julie Andrews for Mary Poppins. I mean, the character is rather flat when not singing and disappears for long stretches of time. She was much more engaging in The Sound Of Music but Hollywood had moved on.
And the winner is.....Julie......Christie!
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 242||03/17/2019|
Andrews won because she had been denied the film of My Fair Lady and they wanted to punish Jack Warner for not giving her the role. They didn't realize she'd give an actual Oscar caliber performance the next year in Sound of Music.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 243||03/17/2019|
To the moron that talked about no-names on Columbo? You must be joking- Suzanne Pleshette, Gena Rowlands, John Cassavetes, Dick Van Dyke, Anne Baxter!
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 244||03/17/2019|
Streisand and Hepburn tying for first, with Streisand accepting with a plastered, cunty, resting Jew bitch face, Bab's doesn't like sharing.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 245||03/18/2019|
Exactly r19, it's called talent.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 246||03/18/2019|
r41 That stupid, silly smirk Redmayne displayed after delivering ever line was cheap and annoying.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 247||03/18/2019|
Yes La La Land , The Shape of Water, and Crash all sucked, do not get it.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 248||03/18/2019|
R248, La La Land didn’t win Best Picture.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 249||03/18/2019|
[quote] [R248], La La Land didn’t win Best Picture.
FUCK YOU, R249
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 251||03/18/2019|
Yes r49 Streetcar not winning is shocking, one of the most brilliantly acted, written, illuminating yet tragic film ever.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 252||03/19/2019|
I keep trying but can't get through "American in Paris" either. Just awful.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 253||03/20/2019|
Hands down Rami Malek....
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 254||03/20/2019|
Get Out for best screenplay
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 255||03/20/2019|
R253 AAIP is not awful. Go back to watching Transformers.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 256||03/20/2019|
Knock it off. My favorite film is "Nashville", my favorite director Fellini, my favorite current director Yorgos Lanthimos, I watch mostly Criterion Collection... and I STLL can't get through "An American in Paris".
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 257||03/20/2019|
I also hate An American in Paris.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 258||03/20/2019|
NASHVILLE (1975). I DON'T GET IT.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 259||03/20/2019|
I also couldn't get past the hillbilly music in Nashville.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 260||03/20/2019|
Rami swept last awards season. His win wasn't surprising.
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 261||03/20/2019|
Nashville is a movie you really have to sit thru the whole thing. It seems sort of fractured and rambling at first but if you hang in there the way everything comes together in the end is pretty thrilling.
(and the end is riveting stuff.)
|by Marcia Gay Harden||reply 262||03/20/2019|