Joe Biden Still Leading the Democratic Field

None of them have any chance of beating Trump.

Sigh

We are a year away from the first primary OP

Of course Biden and Bernie are leading. They're the two candidates most people have heard of.

While DLers may be well aware of Kamala Harris, Corey Booker et al, the average person at home has no idea who they are.

At this point, polls are all about name recognition. I'm sure if you put Oprah in there, she'd come out in the top two.

[QUOTE]At this point, polls are all about name recognition. I'm sure if you put Oprah in there, she'd come out in the top two.

Biden and Bernie aren’t going anywhere. I guarantee they’ll be two of the candidates left standing in the end. These old fucks know this is their last opportunity and they’re going all out. It’s going to be a bloodbath.

FFed OP for being deranged.

R2 is right and the voice of reason, but at the same time let’s not forget that the incredibly crowded field is definitely going to help Bernie by making his relativrly small percent of support seem large. That’s how Trump won the nomination.

[quote]Of course Biden and Bernie are leading. They're the two candidates most people have heard of.

You're right but you're fooling yourself if you think any of the establishment-picked candidates will win the nomination.

Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, the laughable Amy Klobuchar -- they have neither name recognition, NOR a compelling agenda that will catch the eye of anyone in the real world, outside the media bubbles that love to talk up corporate centrists. In fact, except for Klobuchar, whose platform is pathetically hollow and flamboyantly unappealing, they all strive to be merely Bernie's mini mes and they're all widely seen, correctly or not, as cynical panderers running on a platform they don't truly believe in.

The prize in 2020 is the Senate. The White House would be a fantastic bonus. Dems know this. The old white guy who "deserves" it (not Bernie) will be the nominee. Think of it as a Lifetime Achievement award. Expect a new blood running mate, but 2024 is the year the next generation of Dems will really shine.

How do you know someone is “establishment-picked”?

[quote]Expect a new blood running mate, but 2024 is the year the next generation of Dems will really shine.

Sanders will be defeated in 2024. AOC will be gone as well as those two Hamas members.

Relax, neither Biden nor Bernie will be the nominee.

Who will be, R10?

When a nobody like Kamala Harris gets half a dozen delegate endorsements after less than a month of launching her campaign, despite the fact that nobody knows what she even stands for -- that's how you know the establishment is working to elevate her above other names.

Harris, R11.

Harris will probably get the nomination. Democratic primary voters are not going to vote for a white man.

Whether she can beat Trump remains to be seen. She had some momentum initially, but then started saying some stupid shit...so who knows.

For me the ideal ticket is Biden/Harris.

Biden is the best choice to carry the Rust Belt and pull over the moderate republicans.

Harris as his VP would set her up perfectly to be the nominee for POTUS in 2024.

The upcoming election is not the time to be risky. The #1 thing is to defeat Trump & I think Biden/Harris is the way to go.

I think we need a Hispanic on the ticket. Latino support is wavering and it’s time we lock them in by making them feel like they have a place in the party. We need to stop taking them for granted.

The field will narrow in June after the first debate and the front runner will become apparent.

R16 Exactly. The same can be said for gays and Native Americans. Get ALL the minorities out there.

[quote]Biden is the best choice to carry the Rust Belt and pull over the moderate republicans.

Of the choice is between two 70-plus white men, the moderate Republicans will pick Trump.

Lmao R14.

Democrats need a black, trans, heavy-set, alien-identifying, gender-non-conforming, xhe-queer on the ticket.

Are those all the people you hate, R21?

Trans Woman of Color or I’m staying home!

R19

That is a stupid statement.

That’s one person, R22. And, I don’t hate you.

Biden can beat Trump, could have beat him the first time.He is moderate enough that Reps will vote for him and liberal enough that Dems will rally around him. Biden has a loose enough mouth that he can handle Trump in debates.

[quote]Latino support is wavering

No, it is not as 2018 just showed. Latino voting registration is outpacing all other ethnic groups.

[quote]liberal enough that Dems will rally around him

Many Dems will stay home if this geriatric is the candidate.

The Latino thing is an issue.

While our resident Hillary Stans love to blame "BernieBros" for her defeat, the truth is that Trump won an astounding percentage of the Latino vote, and not just rich white Cubans in Miami.

(Astounding in that he'd spent the entire campaign demonizing Latino immigrants)

I'd support Biden if he first, agrees to chose a woman (anyone except Gillibrand) as his running mate, then after 18 months he steps down and she becomes President. I love Cory Booker, but he "ain't ready." Same for Julian Castro. Now Inslee is great, but Biden and Bernie are in his way. Actually he'd be wonderful VP material with a Harris or a Klobuchar. He's served in Congress, he's got the bona fides as governor, so he could really do the heavy lifting with Domestic policy and working with a portfolio comparable to Biden's with Obama.

Latino support in favor of Democrats went up from 2016 while support for Republicans remained flat. Support for 3rd party candidates evaporated from 5% to below a percent.

Latinos voted in 2018:

69% Democratic.

29% Republican.

-1 % other.

Latinas voted 73% Democrat

Latinos 64% Democrat

In all states Latinos voted majority Democrat and the percentage gap in favor of Democrats widens the younger the age bracket.

Since Latinos are the youngest demographic in the United States and have the largest share of under 18 population in the US, then you can make a pretty accurate case that Latino support is not in danger of wavering. In fact, voting trends among Latinos project that Democratic support will keep increasing.

I've said this before:I was shocked to see the % of Latinos who voted for Trump in 2016. He was demeaning and insulting and he should have had zero support from them. This year he's counting on them to make a difference. I was very puzzled until I discovered how the Evangelicals count Latinos among their most active members. Silly me, bought into the stereotype of Latinos being mostly Catholic. But ever since the 90's the Evangelicals have been penetrating the Latino demographic, and then, with the Catholics, there's the super religious anti abortion contingent too. So we have a lot of work to do. We can't take anyone for granted. The main thing is we have to repeatedly give people facts and figures and insist they vote their interests.

[quote]The prize in 2020 is the Senate.

That's why Beto should run again in TX not for POTUS.

It’s over for Beto.

[quote] I think we need a Hispanic on the ticket. Latino support is wavering and it’s time we lock them in by making them feel like they have a place in the party. We need to stop taking them for granted.

Therein lies the issue. The Dems need to "stop taking them for granted" and the Republicans call them rapists and thieves and put them in cages. Maybe Latinos should wake the fuck up.

Did anyone see Governor Inslee on Maddow? I liked him.

R28

Any Democrat that would "stay home" before voting for Biden deserve another 4 years of Cheetolini.

Fuck them. There is no perfect candidate. We have to choose who has the best chance against the cancer in the White House & IMO that's Biden.

There's a wonderful woman who is in Congress from El Paso right now. She has real potential. Latino woman.

Bernie is getting the nomination. DL needs to get with the times and the country.

I’m really getting sick of these Democrat vs. Democrat threads. Just shut the fuck up and let the process play out. Whoever wins, we all line up and vote for them or else watch our country slide further into chaos and self-destruction.

[quote]There's a wonderful woman who is in Congress from El Paso right now. She has real potential. Latino woman.

Sounds great, you can’t even be bothered to know her name,

[quote]And it’s “Latina.”

No, it’s Latinx.

You all should re-read R32

It's vastly overlooked

[QUOTE]Just shut the fuck up and let the process play out.

Is this a joke? This might be the most important Democratic primary in American history and DLers can’t talk about it? We just sit back and wait for the nominee to be chosen?

Are we allowed to discuss the general election afterwards or is that off limits as well?

Well, if Biden does get in it, he may take the wind out of Bernie's sails. So if he can neutralize Bernie I'm in.

Great point r45! I'm sick of Bernie's old crotchety ass. I'm more sick of The Young Turks and the rest of his ass kissing supporters. They can be almost as toxic as red hood wearing MAGA.

Well, it all depends if Trump implodes or not in the next year or so. If he does, there is no need to play it safe with Biden. Not that I think Dems have to anyway even if Trump is still around as long as they keep damaging Trump with investigations until the election.

I remember when Reagan won decades ago and there was concern that since he was about to turn 70 that he was too damn old.

Biden would be 79 going into office if he were to win.

Exactly r47. I do believe the investigations, with potent receipts, will undo the Evil Nectarine before 2020 rolls around.

Wherefore art thou, o Poll Troll? Come back already.

Biden is our ONLY shot at beating Trump. I hope everyone else comes to their senses and starts supporting him.

R11 Kamala Harris and she'll win the WH.

It’s true that Joe Biden has reached the very end of male life expectancy. It frightens me that we’d have a President who will be lucky to wake up in the morning.

[quote]Kamala Harris and she'll win the WH.

lmfao.

R54 see you in Nov. 2020.

Vote Blue no matter who.

The Bernie vs Biden battle for the nomination is going to be epic. Whoever can find a way to be the most hip will likely win.

You’re a winner, baby? Biden/Beto 2020!

Biden/Harris

Biden will trot out his dead son’s corpse out on the campaign trail and go for the sympathy frau vote.

Expected to launch his campaign early April.

Too late.

Sherrod Brown of Ohio will be the nominee but he will lose in the general election.

Biden wouldn't have beaten Trump in 2016, because he has as much baggage as HRC did, even if the Roger Stone wing of the GOP hadn't been hammering him as much as HRC since the 1990s.

You also forget the election tampering and media bias for Trump.

Sanders will narrowly defeat Biden.

Biden/Sanders - woudl probably work but that ticket would have a combined age of 150. IF either wins they need a younger female or minority or both to be VP. I would say Biden/Beto in 2020 or Sanders/Warren either would be a nightmare for the GOP

[quote]Sanders/Warren

And the combined age of this ticket? Lol.

Biden cannot pick a white male running mate.

Biden Klobuchar. Why? Because she can do the heavy lifting with Congress and Domestic policy and Joe can handle foreign policy, which he loves. He wanted to be Obama's Secretary of State at one point and instead he became Vice POTUS. Plus, if he should not complete his term, she is very able to step in and not miss a beat. Jaaoe is ell known and respected by foreign leaders. And we have a LOT of repairing to do. So as much as I love Kamala, and Elizabeth, that's the ticket I believe will work. And yes, absolutely "Vote Blue, No Matter Who!"

Hillary is praying for someone to beg her to run. But it won't happen, people hate people who give away their pet cat

[quote]Vote blue no matter who.

No. No Sanders-regret here. Just like no Trump-regret.

Did anyone read Hillary's Dear Socks book? Was it good?

Joe has some explaining to do.

BETO BETO BETO!

[quote]Sherrod Brown of Ohio will be the nominee but he will lose in the general election.

O’rly?

That was nearly 30 years ago, r73.

R76 is really bad at math. Must be a retard.

26 years is NEARY 30, r77.

Is Brown ill or something? He looks like a hobo.

Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to ever run for office, but will she get the much coveted cat lady vote?

I've never been a Biden fan - quite the opposite - but I will admit to warming up to him a bit. As to VP, I'm totally indifferent. Nobody ever votes on the basis of the VP candidate, so effectively it's irrelevant.

I think Biden is going to get old fast and that's not a pun on his age. I think a little bit of Joe goes a long way. If he were to get the nomination, by the time November rolls around we will have had enough of Biden. What will happen? Our side won't show up. There will be a little enthusiasm for him. so turnout will be depressed. Maybe a great running mate can hpe with that. But we really need to win. We need massive turn out.

HARRIS/O'ROURKE!!! Live with it bitches!

Yeah, I can picture Kamala Harris winning the rust belt on a platform of legalizing hookers, pot, reparations and socialism.

Biden winning the nomination automatically eliminates O’Rourke and other white men as veep. What else can they bring to the ticket that Joe can’t? I predict Biden/Harris, Biden/Castro or Biden/Abrams.

Geeze ^^. 🙄

Personally I've been secretly loving Biden/Harris for a while.

So far the race is geezers and bigots. Way ta go Dems!

It's too bad the election cycles last so damn long. Yes, they will be sick of Biden. A lot people were sick of the nasty sniping between Hilary and Trump and just tuned out from disgust.

R84 two white men aren't out of the question. I don't think most Democrats are interested in identity politics, or that they vote on that basis. Republicans, yes, but not Democrats.

Obama ain't supporting Biden for president. Not happening.

Obama has no plans to endorse anyone.

Amy Klobuchar understands politics old style. She's met with Hillary, with Obama, and with our former ambassador to Japan, who is also Former VP of the United States, and former Senator from Minnesota, Walter Mondale, who gave her his blessing. I like knowing she did that. I bet she also reached out to Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris and Cory Booker who serve in the Senate with her. She may have even spoken to Sherrod Brown. That really is how one starts the process. I wonder if she sat down with Biden. They're saying Biden wouldn't announce until April if he is running. I hope he doesn't. I really hope he doesn't.

Mike Pence is a decent guy!

So was Anita Bryant! Hitler wasn't all that bad either, had some good ideas, like the extermination of homos.

[quote]Obama has no plans to endorse anyone.

Obama has always been supremely cautious. He will make an endorsement when it's safe to do so. He wants to make sure it does not reflect badly on him if he endorses a candidate that drops out of race early.

It's not unusual for the party leaders like Obama to not endorse in the Primaries. It's too messy. Better he waits to endorse who ever the nominee is. He saves his political capital and spends it where it'll do the most good. But I don't think he wanted Biden in the race.

Smells like a right wing thread to me. Over and out!

Name recognition is all he's got going for him, and when all the other candidates have it too, he'll have nothing.

I don't think he's going to run

I don’t think so either.

[quote]Yeah, I can picture Kamala Harris winning the rust belt on a platform of legalizing hookers, pot, reparations and socialism.

I thought the blacks mostly think of her as a cop, though. Based on her “tough on crime” stint as DA and Attorney General.

Are people really going to think she’s now in favor of legalizing everything?

I'm starting to think we need him.

Politico, today's big article.

Link the article cause I don’t see it.

Joe Biden would be THE sole candidate to rally voters around sufficient to defeat Trump.

If the well-known, accomplished, and brilliant HRC couldn't (for whatever various and sundry reasons), no other current dame, especially any of controversy (Al Franken; DNA; "Green Manifesto") is going to. Take that to the bank. I mean, it isn't as if Kamala, Elizabeth, or AOC would score higher on an imaginary "likability scale."

Nope. People will seek a familiar Father Figure: a uniter by temperament and a comforter by nature; a person generous with compliments, not criticism; a man of pride, but not of hubris; a leader who lifts up and inspires, not a demagogue who degrades and incites; a patriot, not a traitor.

Biden will head the ticket. Beto (not Booker or Sherrod or Buttigieg) will be his running mate.

As for Bernie: No chance in Hades.

Wow, so much cluelessness in the first 20 posts in this thread. Can’t wait to revisit it after the primaries.

Why haven't Bernie & Jones opened their lake houses to the proletariat?

^ Bernie & Jane, not the Jones next door

R106, when you reach Bernie's age, and you have a home as beautiful and serene as that waiting for you, WTF would you want to spend your time in seedy old diners, with a bunch of smelly people in the middle of Nowhere, North Dakota.

If Bernie's the nominee, Trump wins the general.

Nope.

Biden likes the clean negros.

Biden can’t beat Trump.

R112 IMO he's the only one who can beat Trump

You’re an idiot r113. He’s exactly what Americans loathe.

Biden is basically an older, gaffe-prone version of Hillary.

So the perfect will be the enemy of the good again? That's how we got the lying traitor we have.

Yeah, the guy who said millennials need to quit complainin and they have it so easy is definitely going to win over young voters. Biden better stay out of the race if he can

R117, Not exactly a well-known quotation, if it's one at all.

R114, Hardly. You must be blind to America's power structure.

[quote]Yeah, I can picture Kamala Harris winning the rust belt on a platform of legalizing hookers, pot, reparations and socialism.

You have to be like AOC and just clap your hands and BELIEVE.

[quote] [ Dedicated US political divider posting from Brazil ]

Hey, I think I know of someone like that who lives in Brazil. Poses as a super lefty journo, yet poo poos the Russia investigation.

Maybe he has trained some online trolls like the Russians did in St Petersburg.

[Quote] Why haven't Bernie & Jones opened their lake houses to the proletariat?

Because it has nothing to do with socialism?

Are there many rich socialists? I thought everyone made about the same amount of money.

[quote]Obama has always been supremely cautious. He will make an endorsement when it's safe to do so.

Former presidents rarely, if ever, endorse primary candidates.

[quote]Are there many rich socialists? [bold]I thought everyone made about the same amount of money.[/bold]

Who is “everyone,” and why do you think they make “about the same amount of money?”

And yes, there are “rich socialists.”

If Bernie wins, I'll be very busy.

I was talking to a wacky Lesbian bar friend at the neighborhood watering hole, she has purple hair and she's covered in tats, and she's waiting for Beto!!!!! LOLOL!!!!

Joe to the rescue.

I love that all the people in support of Biden on cable news are white males and/or Republican.

He sounded like he was going to die when he spoke to the firemen today. Wow.

People like who, R129?

Former congressman Ryan Costello, R131, on MSNBC today.

David Frum, David Brooks are both Biden fans. Bipartisan support.

[QUOTE]He sounded like he was going to die when he spoke to the firemen today. Wow.

Yeah he’s definitely lost a lot of his spunk. We even have an old speech at the exact same function for contrast.

Biden in 2012:

Biden today:

David Frum and David Brooks are for him. Bipartisan support.

Biden is this year’s DNC “coronation” candidate. It’s his turn.

Well we’re better off with last year’s coronation candidate. At least Hillary doesn’t sound like the grim reaper is hovering behind her when she speaks.

I thought the DNC changed their rules so that only Registered Democrats can run? If they didn’t, that was rather silly of them. But anyway, I’ve not heard or read anything about Bernie going from “I” to “D” so if the DNC allows him -or any other non-registered Dem to run in the Democrat Primary, whatever chaos ensues, they’ve only themselves to blame.

Well the idea of Biden is obviously more attractive than the reality. I truly hope he doesn't do this, but he obviously is. I wonder if he ever watches the video clips of himself and realizes it's just bad. One thing is certain. Who ever he chooses as a running mate will be very important. I'm betting it'll be Kamala HArris. He'll give some OJT and then he may even step down in two years. If he wins. One thing you can count on, if Trump survives to run for re-election, he will be brutal with Biden. He will shred him, no holds barred. It will be real ugly.

DNC: No Presidents Under 75!

R112 Shouldn't you be chasing moose and squirrel?

Why Biden is the clear favorite

Biden's air of inevitability is how his campaign will be sold: "Joe is the inevitable victor, so stop in-fighting and let's join together to fight Trump." You read it here first.

His campaign can only take that posture if he starts racking up primary wins and delegates. Otherwise he might prove to be an imposter with Bernie or perhaps Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren as the true front runner. We’re months and months away from anyone laying claim to the nom like that.

It’s going to be hilarious watching Biden crashing and burning in record time.

Trump is not afraid of Biden and he has his opposition researchers and his themes already baked in to an anti-Biden strategy. I feel like this is McGovern all over again. All I'm saying is do not think for one minute this is a wrap. I want to see someone younger and smarter and more tuned in take Trump on. And I Really want to see a woman kick his ass.

R140, what on earth is “OJT”?

Love the guy. Honest. We could do a lot worse than a Biden/Beto or Biden/Harris ticket ❤️

Cry me a river. Sanders will be the nominee. Deal with it.

No, he won’t.

[quote] Are there many rich socialists? I thought everyone made about the same amount of money.

That's because you're ignorant. Of course there are rich people in socialist countries. They're just not as rich as in America because wealth is spread throughout society. The average person gets 6 weeks vacation a year, plus parental leave. And the country doesn't get hysterical & fall apart.

My mother was Irish Catholic. She and everyone in her extended family voted against JFK, the first catholic president of Irish descent.

Don't expect only whites will vote for whites or that latinos will vote for a Latin candidate.

R150, who’s “crying”?

Biden hasn't even announced. The media keeps forcing him as the frontrunner and it's deceptive. He isn't even officially a candidate for anything so why is his name being polled?

Bernie is the actual frontrunner. Get used to it. He has the best chances of any Democrat to beat Trump anyway next year if he's still alive. Millennials would actually leave the house to go vote for Bernie.

R149, I don't think that Beto is a feasible VP choice. First of all, much of the party is moving leftwards, and Biden is going to feel compelled to make a gesture to the progressive wing by choosing someone more progressive, not another centrist. Second, Beto won't be able to deliver Texas, so what would be the point? Biden is smart enough to realize Beto would be a non-starter when better alternatives will be available.

Btw I would have pointed out Beto's lack of viability as a VP candidate on the Beto thread, but anyone there who is less than adoring of Beto is quickly condemned as a wicked troll, so I keep out.

[QUOTE]Biden hasn't even announced. The media keeps forcing him as the frontrunner and it's deceptive.

The media hasn’t forced a damn thing. It’s wholly organic, due to his placement atop all the polls among Democratic voters since the day after the 2016 election. The voters want Joe in this race.

[quote]Second, Beto won't be able to deliver Texas, so what would be the point?

Oooookay.... and which Democrat would?

I don’t think you’re the master Democratic strategist you think you are.

Beto is the ONLY Democratic contender who could deliver Texas. What?? You think Kamala could do it? Warren? Bernie? LOL!

We win Texas, California and New York and the Republicans have almost no way to win the election.

[quote]Oooookay.... and which Democrat would?

None of them can win Texas.

The problem with these old coots is that Biden can't win the primary but he could win the general. And Bernie could win the primary but can't win the General.

Hopefully, they divide the dems, and fall off and Harris can get on message and rise to the top.

r155, he has no chance in hell. It is starting to blatantly come out with it and say he is a socialist. There is no way in hell he would win the general. I won't even vote for him and I am a democrat. NEVER. But I do live in California, so I would just skip the Presidency.

I don' think Biden is best candidate but I would vote for him if he was the nominee.

Too old. I think that we still should get younger people in office. And I say this as a borderline eldergay.

I don't think Harris can win the general r162. She's black and a woman and I'm not sure this country wants either one this time around.

WE have to win this election. We have to get rid of Trump. We need the best possible contender for that; now is not the time to take a risk and see if the country is progressive enough to elect a black woman regardless of how impressive she is as a candidate.

I wonder how many of the “I won’t vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee” people also lambasted “Bernie bros” who wouldn’t vote for Hilary? All of them, I’m sure. Fucking hypocrites.

Don't look at me r166, I never said that. I will vote for Bernie if by some slim chance he becomes the nominee. I would vote for my next door neighbor before I ever voted for Trump (and I don't particular like my next door neighbor).

I would vote for him but I suspect I won't have to; no way in hell will he ever be the nominee.

It's going to be Biden and Harris.That's the ticket. The goal is to make people feel like she's a sort of Michelle Obama type personality, and people love Michelle, so Harris will make them feel all fuzzy and no one will talk about her record as a prosecutor.

I will always love Uncle Joe for forcing Obama’s hand on gay marriage.

[quote]I wonder how many of the “I won’t vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee” people also lambasted “Bernie bros” who wouldn’t vote for Hilary? All of them, I’m sure. Fucking hypocrites.

I wonder how many of those who protest voted in 2016 are calling those who say will protest vote in 2020 hypocrites.

Anyway, most Democrats will do what R167 said, vote for whoever wins the Democratic primary, even is that person is a non-Democrat Sanders.

Biden/Beto ftw!

[quote]Don't look at me [R166], I never said that.

Then why are you responding? Clearly I’m talking about people who DO say that, like R163. I swear, some of you just need to argue every little point. If it doesn”t apply to you, you can just not reply.

[quote]The problem with these old coots is that Biden can't win the primary but he could win the general. And Bernie could win the primary but can't win the General.

The bigger problem with the two old coots is that both of them would be terrible Presidents.

[quote]The goal is to make people feel like she's a sort of Michelle Obama type personality, and people love Michelle, so Harris will make them feel all fuzzy and no one will talk about her record as a prosecutor.

This is a mistake to frame Harris as a feel-good Michelle Obama type.

Her appeal is that she’s a tough prosecutor who will cut through the bullshit in Washington and get shit done.

After back-stabbing Hillary, Biden is on my shit list. Will vote for him holding my nose.

The only white guy I'd be enthusiastic about is Franken.

R159, one doesn’t need to be a master political strategist to figure this one out. A VP candidate has two tasks: somehow “balance” the ticket, and/or deliver his home state. Beto would do neither of these. Therefore it is highly unlikely he could ever be Biden’s VP pick.

Biden is certainly enough of a cynical experienced politician to know how this works.

Well, just don't pick another Joe "Single payer over my dead body" Lieberman.

Beto couldn't deliver Texas? Based on what? Beto lost Texas narrowly running against Cruz, from what I understand, Trump is not as popular in Texas as Cruz is, so I don't agree that Beto couldn't deliver his home state of Texas in a general election.

If Biden is the nominee, Harris is the no-brainer veep selection.

Why? Because she can give him California? LOL if a Dem presidential nominee can't carry California already then they have serious problems.

Because she's black and a woman? Maybe.

Sanders will be the nominee. Joe is so out of touch it’s unbelievable.

I think a Biden administration will mean little progress. More about repairing things. Little push on health care, even with a Senate majority. Maybe repair is more important but...

R170: Very few because Sanders supporters voted for Clinton en masse.

[quote]I think a Biden administration will mean little progress. More about repairing things. Little push on health care, even with a Senate majority. Maybe repair is more important but...

In other words... he’s Hillary 2.0.

We already tried this, and we already know the outcome. But Democrats seem to really love losing... so Biden it is.

Socialism is not a bad word to Americans even to the deplorables. Lest I remind you how they kicked and screamed to their Republican lawmakers for Obamacare to not be taken away from them.

Despite all the trash they talked about death panels and Obamacare being socialist, the poor white l people yelled and screamed and stood up to their own Republican representatives about keeping Obamacare. Just imagine if they hear a candidate say single payer and 15 minimum wage. People want radical change and people like underdogs. Trump, Bernie were radical and underdogs.

A presumptive establishment favorite like Biden or Kamala just won't win over Americans

We didn't!

So. It looks like Beto O Rourke, the media manufactured shiny object i going to run for President. IMO a lot of these people know they have no chance of winning the nomination, but are positioning for either the VP slot, or for the future. I think they're stupid.

R187, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

R185, you’re even dumber. I can’t believe what I just read in your post. Delusional.

Beto will end up being the VP candidate.

If Joe is smart he'll chose Julian Castro, or Kamala Harris.

I can't get over the way people turn into sheeple and just get all taken in by media hype. Beto was a phenom in Texas because he gave Ted Cruz a real run for his money. I thought that was great. But WTF has he done that would make people want him to be PResident. Seriously. Personally I think the media is throwing shit against the walls to see what sticks.

Qualifications don't matter any more, R191.

I don't hate a Biden & Harris ticket.

Aren't Beto and Jon Ossoff going to open an off-campus pizza place together? Are they qualified for anything more than that?

Biden will not be a good President.

I do like the Biden/Harris thing. Mostly b/c the Trumptards hate it.

I'm fine with any Dem ticket.

Me too. A lot I people I like and haven't completely decided on anyone yet (except no to Bernie.)

Does prosecutorial Harris risk coming across as an angry black woman? Or is that a good thing? Stacey Abrams projects a nurturing, caring persona that appealed to the ‘you is important’ fans.

I like Joe Biden. He's smart, kind, dedicated, has lived through and survived personal trauma, and is respected by and well connected to our real allies and will rebuild our reputation and security.

He should pick the best of the lot for VP. I don't know who yet but someone with a real chance in 2024.

Yeah Biden's ok. But he sounded like he was dying the other day speaking to the firemen. I mean damn...

R191, it’s about who is the biggest “rock star” in the Party, who can inspire the largest number of voters to come out to the polls, especially Millennials. For whatever reason, Beto seems to be that guy.

Qualifications and experience have NOTHING to do with it.

Were you asleep during the 2016 Election? The uninspiring candidate, who happened to be the most qualified ever, lost the presidential election. I don’t know if you’re aware of that.

I saw on Twitter that Manu Raju from CNN asked Amy Klobuchar about being mean to her staff...again. I was so fucking pissed off when I Read it I explolded on twitter. It stinks of "E-mails!" and it's a form of harassment. How many times will they ask? Are they trying to see how many different ways she can answer it? Rotten fuckers. It's not going to work this time. Whether you support her or not, please start pressuring the media to do better. There is no way we can allow them to do the same old bullshit coverage they've done in the past. Too much is at stake.

Are you one of the anti-Beto people on the Beto threads, R204?

R204 what do you suggest , just scream FAKE NEWS at them like Trump does?

I think it will be Biden/Warren or Biden/Klobuchar. Harris being black would be an asset. Harris being an unlikable bitch would be a negative.

It will not be Biden. Nobody wants an old fuck whose life expectancy is less than one year.

I'm not "anti" anyone at this point except Bernie. I just get angry when I see the media attempting to cover candidates in the same disgusting way they did before.And that was the point I was trying to make. Not so much about Klobuchar, but about the way the reporter was going after her. It was as if the CNN reporter wants to keep an issue alive, and after 600 straight days of negative coverage , of the media pounding Hillary about e-mails, and watching her keep trying to respond, I wanted to literally kick their asses. No matter who the candidate is on the Democratic side, I want us to demand better from the media. That was my point.

If they choose Biden to run as Pres they must put a double minority in the VP slot. That puts them in a bind.

Is Kamala Boomer, or Gen X?

Very very late Boomer r211. 1964 I think?

If Biden gets the nomination (and personallly I hope he doesn't, I think he's too old), he'd be a fool not to take Beto as VP. Beto could give him Texas, and the election. l None of the other candidates as VP (and definitely as Presidential candidates) have a better chance of getting Texas than Beto.

We get California, New York and Texas and most of the other states that usually go Democratic in presidential elections, and Trump has NO way of winning.

Unfortunately, Trump is only stoppable by the Siberians who out him in office. They made him, and they can break him. Whatever will demoralize and destabilize the USA, whether he wins, or loses is in their rich, influential, techo-savy, hands.

I'm not sure we can have two Boomers on the same ticket then. Will Gen Z go for that?

[QUOTE]Beto could give him Texas, and the election.

The Democrats don’t need Texas and shouldn’t waste any resources trying to win it. They don’t even need Florida or Ohio or North Carolina. All they have to do is win all the blue states Hillary won while adding Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan back into our column (states a Democrat has no business losing in the first place). There’s nobody better suited for that job than Joe Biden, and the best VP choice that would help him is a minority candidate like Kamala Harris who I think would do great in that one VP debate against Mike Pence.

I think Kamala is more GenX than Boomer. She’s right on the border of the two.

R215 people don't vote on a generational basis, and they rarely vote based on the VP candidate.

See? This is why America's Got Talent, Dancing With the Stars, The Bachelor, And all the rest are so popular. They're preparing us for this contest. So many of these have no chance, no support, no money, no name recognition, and eventually they will all fizzle. The smart candidates are trying to survive until the first wave of primaries beginning next January. People are going by name recognition right now, mainly. But the candidates who are doing the grunt work, knocking on doors, going to town halls, sitting in someone's living room talking to 30 people, are the ones who will emerge early in 2020.

R219 here. I want to add that back in 1976, my first election, that's how Jimmy Who? won Iowa and became Jimmy Carter, POTUS.

Why would Gen Z care? Is Gen Z even old enough to vote yet?

Gen Z won’t vote if they can’t do it on Instagram.

What is the age range for Gen Z?

[quote]the best VP choice that would help him is a minority candidate like Kamala Harris who I think would do great in that one VP debate against Mike Pence.

Don't presume Pence will be on the ticket. There have been rumors that Trump may ditch him for Nikki Hailey.

Pence isn’t going anywhere.

Why are people fixating on GenZ when Millennials are the largest voting block?

It’s amazing that people here seem to think the 2020 field and where they will end up on primary day can be analyzed before you get them all on stage together. These polls are beyond meaningless Unless you are Joe Biden. And the only reason he would need them is because if The polls had him in the single digits, then it would be a sign he should not bother to run. But that’s not the case. The Twenty20 race is a total free-for-all and nobody has any idea who will get the nomination of the six or so major contenders at the moment.

What matters right now is who is out there working the voters and answering questions. Because once the primaries start, it will be the people who connect who make it through the early primaries. I also think we're in for some surprises. Right now you have name recognition and images. But once they hit the debate stage they will have to answer questions. People like Klobuchar and Castro may yet emerge to rate higher with voters for being smart about policy. Biden really is old school and out of touch.

He along with most of the other candidates is too old. Potentially 78 when he becomes POTUS so 82 if he only serves one term.

Why do all of these old people who should be dribbling in a corner want to become President?

R230, In Biden's case, experience, wisdom, decency, compassion, extensive knowledge of world affairs, strong relationships with his colleagues at home and internationally, and the ability to relate to working people as well as people in power.

r231, he's still TOO DAMN OLD.

I don't want the president to die of old age while in office.

He's old enough to be the Parent/Grandparent of most Western leaders.

Biden and Stacy

I SO hope Biden doesn't do this. I know it seems inevitable, but he is going to become a joke. He just isn't as agile as he would need to be. That folksy style only goes so far. And he is really out of touch. There are millions of young voters, many of them mobilized by the Parkland kids. They'll be out here like they were in 2018 and they will have an impact. But they will not be enthusiastic about Biden.

R213, Beto was arrested twice and got his daddy judge to expunge his record. He spells trouble.

Not a good choice for VP with the already baggage-burdened Biden.

If Biden runs, he needs a woman as VP given his record preferably a woman of color. Biden/Harris may fit

LOL, “spells trouble”. Yeah, trouble for Joe’s primary candidacy, Bernie’s candidacy, and Trump’s office.

[quote] Why do all of these old people who should be dribbling in a corner want to become President?

Because it's my turn goddamnit.

R238 = Hillary Derangement Syndrome

Biden is a fighter! We need that

Biden/Abrams would be unstoppable.

No, R241, they would not. People are making a big deal out of the fact Stacey Abrams met with Biden. But if she were smart, she'd be running for the Senate against Perdue who is a piece of shit, with his tongue all the way up Trump's ass.

Amy Klobuchar spoke to the Human Rights Campaign on Friday. Great Speech. It's on Facebook. She's smart, she's nerdy, and she actually got off some funny lines. More important, she has a great track record with our issues. Going back to the 90's. Check it out. And no, I don't have alink. Let's see how good you are at finding shit.

It's just name recognition. Suzanne Somers would be leading the pack if she were running, although she's a Republican so she'd thankfully be running on the other side.

Beto/Booker v Trump/ Haley with the latter winning.. Mark my words.

R232, so what if he died while in office if he chooses the right VP.

Why can’t we apply this logic to the Oscars?

Biden/Abrams, "America Back on Trak." (Amtrak pun intended.)

r246, Because I don't want him to die in office. It's not natural for a president to die in office. The last president to die in office was JFK over 55 years ago, and he clearly didn't die of old age.

I'd rather have a president that I can be reasonably sure will be able to live out his/her term in office.

And that's why I don't' support Biden or Bernie for the presidency.

[QUOTE]And he is really out of touch.

I think he’s very much “in touch” with millions of Dems like me who don’t like where the party is headed. Anybody who thinks the government needs to seize Apple and break it up has no business being anywhere near the White House. Maybe Joe can put a stop to this madness.

R249. There are no guarantees on anyone's life. Biden could live into his nineties.

I wish trump would die in office. The world would rejoice.

True r251, but you must admit, there is more of a chance Biden will not live out his term then say someone like Kamala, Booker or Beto.

That's my biggest problem with Biden.

Now if he picks a good VP and steps down after 4 years then I have less of a problem with him.

They are both starting to look really old on Television. They will be out of the race after the summer. After first debate they will look like grandpas.

r245, It won't be Beto/Booker.

Only Trump/Haley if Trump strokes out election night.

Trump/Haley would be a decent ticket.

THe smart thing to do is to pick Nikki Haley. But I have to wonder if Trump's ego and his obvious personality disorder will prevent him from seeing the political value in her. Nikki is outspoken, and likes attention. She will not be the semi-invisible "follow your marching orders" type of VP Pence has been. Yes, she would appeal to the Evangelicals, but at this point Trump is so confident (over confident?) of his own support from them he doesn't need her. The Republican Party may find value in her if it looks like Trump is going down. But IMO, Trump will stick with Pence. One thing you have to appreciate is that he really doesn't like too much change. He's probably comfortable with Pence, although he is perfectly capable of turning on a dime and "firing" him. Pence likes to stay out of his way and sing his praises.

As for Biden, he was young when he had his brain aneurysm. He seems to be fit and healthy, but read his Wiki page. Who ever he chooses for VP better be ready to step in seamlessly. I'm not kidding. IMO Biden will need Kamala, ELizabeth or Amy. He could work with Corey Booker or Julian Castro, but he'll need someone he can trust not to undermine him. Kristen Gillibrand is not that person, neither is Beto. Actually Amy Klobuchar or Jay Inslee would be best as his running mate but that ticket might not be electable. We have come to expect a bit of "hollywood" from our elected officials. Personally I'd love it if Biden won and then stepped down after two years and allowed his VP to step up.

I'm liking Governor Inslee of Washington. Seems like a smart person.

I like Inslee too.