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Joe Biden Still Leading the Democratic Field

Unfortunately that piece of shit Bernie is right behind him. This might be a replay of 2016, only with sane Dem support being split among multiple candidates, potentially giving Sanders the edge this time.

by Anonymousreply 258Last Tuesday at 7:33 AM

None of them have any chance of beating Trump.

by Anonymousreply 103/06/2019

Sigh

We are a year away from the first primary OP

Of course Biden and Bernie are leading. They're the two candidates most people have heard of.

While DLers may be well aware of Kamala Harris, Corey Booker et al, the average person at home has no idea who they are.

At this point, polls are all about name recognition. I'm sure if you put Oprah in there, she'd come out in the top two.

by Anonymousreply 203/06/2019

[QUOTE]At this point, polls are all about name recognition. I'm sure if you put Oprah in there, she'd come out in the top two.

Biden and Bernie aren’t going anywhere. I guarantee they’ll be two of the candidates left standing in the end. These old fucks know this is their last opportunity and they’re going all out. It’s going to be a bloodbath.

by Anonymousreply 303/06/2019

FFed OP for being deranged.

by Anonymousreply 403/06/2019

R2 is right and the voice of reason, but at the same time let’s not forget that the incredibly crowded field is definitely going to help Bernie by making his relativrly small percent of support seem large. That’s how Trump won the nomination.

by Anonymousreply 503/06/2019

[quote]Of course Biden and Bernie are leading. They're the two candidates most people have heard of.

You're right but you're fooling yourself if you think any of the establishment-picked candidates will win the nomination.

Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, the laughable Amy Klobuchar -- they have neither name recognition, NOR a compelling agenda that will catch the eye of anyone in the real world, outside the media bubbles that love to talk up corporate centrists. In fact, except for Klobuchar, whose platform is pathetically hollow and flamboyantly unappealing, they all strive to be merely Bernie's mini mes and they're all widely seen, correctly or not, as cynical panderers running on a platform they don't truly believe in.

by Anonymousreply 603/06/2019

The prize in 2020 is the Senate. The White House would be a fantastic bonus. Dems know this. The old white guy who "deserves" it (not Bernie) will be the nominee. Think of it as a Lifetime Achievement award. Expect a new blood running mate, but 2024 is the year the next generation of Dems will really shine.

by Anonymousreply 703/06/2019

How do you know someone is “establishment-picked”?

by Anonymousreply 803/06/2019

[quote]Expect a new blood running mate, but 2024 is the year the next generation of Dems will really shine.

Sanders will be defeated in 2024. AOC will be gone as well as those two Hamas members.

by Anonymousreply 903/06/2019

Relax, neither Biden nor Bernie will be the nominee.

by Anonymousreply 1003/06/2019

Who will be, R10?

by Anonymousreply 1103/06/2019

When a nobody like Kamala Harris gets half a dozen delegate endorsements after less than a month of launching her campaign, despite the fact that nobody knows what she even stands for -- that's how you know the establishment is working to elevate her above other names.

by Anonymousreply 1203/06/2019

Harris, R11.

by Anonymousreply 1303/06/2019

Harris will probably get the nomination. Democratic primary voters are not going to vote for a white man.

Whether she can beat Trump remains to be seen. She had some momentum initially, but then started saying some stupid shit...so who knows.

by Anonymousreply 1403/06/2019

For me the ideal ticket is Biden/Harris.

Biden is the best choice to carry the Rust Belt and pull over the moderate republicans.

Harris as his VP would set her up perfectly to be the nominee for POTUS in 2024.

The upcoming election is not the time to be risky. The #1 thing is to defeat Trump & I think Biden/Harris is the way to go.

by Anonymousreply 1503/06/2019

I think we need a Hispanic on the ticket. Latino support is wavering and it’s time we lock them in by making them feel like they have a place in the party. We need to stop taking them for granted.

by Anonymousreply 1603/06/2019

The field will narrow in June after the first debate and the front runner will become apparent.

by Anonymousreply 1703/06/2019

R16 Exactly. The same can be said for gays and Native Americans. Get ALL the minorities out there.

by Anonymousreply 1803/06/2019

[quote]Biden is the best choice to carry the Rust Belt and pull over the moderate republicans.

Of the choice is between two 70-plus white men, the moderate Republicans will pick Trump.

by Anonymousreply 1903/06/2019

Lmao R14.

by Anonymousreply 2003/06/2019

Democrats need a black, trans, heavy-set, alien-identifying, gender-non-conforming, xhe-queer on the ticket.

by Anonymousreply 2103/06/2019

Are those all the people you hate, R21?

by Anonymousreply 2203/06/2019

Trans Woman of Color or I’m staying home!

by Anonymousreply 2303/06/2019

R19

That is a stupid statement.

by Anonymousreply 2403/06/2019

That’s one person, R22. And, I don’t hate you.

by Anonymousreply 2503/06/2019

Biden can beat Trump, could have beat him the first time.He is moderate enough that Reps will vote for him and liberal enough that Dems will rally around him. Biden has a loose enough mouth that he can handle Trump in debates.

by Anonymousreply 2603/06/2019

[quote]Latino support is wavering

No, it is not as 2018 just showed. Latino voting registration is outpacing all other ethnic groups.

by Anonymousreply 2703/06/2019

[quote]liberal enough that Dems will rally around him

Many Dems will stay home if this geriatric is the candidate.

by Anonymousreply 2803/06/2019

The Latino thing is an issue.

While our resident Hillary Stans love to blame "BernieBros" for her defeat, the truth is that Trump won an astounding percentage of the Latino vote, and not just rich white Cubans in Miami.

(Astounding in that he'd spent the entire campaign demonizing Latino immigrants)

by Anonymousreply 2903/06/2019

I'd support Biden if he first, agrees to chose a woman (anyone except Gillibrand) as his running mate, then after 18 months he steps down and she becomes President. I love Cory Booker, but he "ain't ready." Same for Julian Castro. Now Inslee is great, but Biden and Bernie are in his way. Actually he'd be wonderful VP material with a Harris or a Klobuchar. He's served in Congress, he's got the bona fides as governor, so he could really do the heavy lifting with Domestic policy and working with a portfolio comparable to Biden's with Obama.

by Anonymousreply 3003/06/2019

Latino support in favor of Democrats went up from 2016 while support for Republicans remained flat. Support for 3rd party candidates evaporated from 5% to below a percent.

Latinos voted in 2018:

69% Democratic.

29% Republican.

-1 % other.

Latinas voted 73% Democrat

Latinos 64% Democrat

In all states Latinos voted majority Democrat and the percentage gap in favor of Democrats widens the younger the age bracket.

Since Latinos are the youngest demographic in the United States and have the largest share of under 18 population in the US, then you can make a pretty accurate case that Latino support is not in danger of wavering. In fact, voting trends among Latinos project that Democratic support will keep increasing.

by Anonymousreply 3103/06/2019

I've said this before:I was shocked to see the % of Latinos who voted for Trump in 2016. He was demeaning and insulting and he should have had zero support from them. This year he's counting on them to make a difference. I was very puzzled until I discovered how the Evangelicals count Latinos among their most active members. Silly me, bought into the stereotype of Latinos being mostly Catholic. But ever since the 90's the Evangelicals have been penetrating the Latino demographic, and then, with the Catholics, there's the super religious anti abortion contingent too. So we have a lot of work to do. We can't take anyone for granted. The main thing is we have to repeatedly give people facts and figures and insist they vote their interests.

by Anonymousreply 3203/06/2019

[quote]The prize in 2020 is the Senate.

That's why Beto should run again in TX not for POTUS.

by Anonymousreply 3303/06/2019

It’s over for Beto.

by Anonymousreply 3403/06/2019

[quote] I think we need a Hispanic on the ticket. Latino support is wavering and it’s time we lock them in by making them feel like they have a place in the party. We need to stop taking them for granted.

Therein lies the issue. The Dems need to "stop taking them for granted" and the Republicans call them rapists and thieves and put them in cages. Maybe Latinos should wake the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 3503/06/2019

Did anyone see Governor Inslee on Maddow? I liked him.

by Anonymousreply 3603/06/2019

R28

Any Democrat that would "stay home" before voting for Biden deserve another 4 years of Cheetolini.

Fuck them. There is no perfect candidate. We have to choose who has the best chance against the cancer in the White House & IMO that's Biden.

by Anonymousreply 3703/06/2019

There's a wonderful woman who is in Congress from El Paso right now. She has real potential. Latino woman.

by Anonymousreply 3803/06/2019

Bernie is getting the nomination. DL needs to get with the times and the country.

by Anonymousreply 3903/06/2019

I’m really getting sick of these Democrat vs. Democrat threads. Just shut the fuck up and let the process play out. Whoever wins, we all line up and vote for them or else watch our country slide further into chaos and self-destruction.

by Anonymousreply 4003/06/2019

[quote]There's a wonderful woman who is in Congress from El Paso right now. She has real potential. Latino woman.

Sounds great, you can’t even be bothered to know her name,

by Anonymousreply 4103/06/2019

[quote]And it’s “Latina.”

No, it’s Latinx.

by Anonymousreply 4203/06/2019

You all should re-read R32

It's vastly overlooked

by Anonymousreply 4303/06/2019

[QUOTE]Just shut the fuck up and let the process play out.

Is this a joke? This might be the most important Democratic primary in American history and DLers can’t talk about it? We just sit back and wait for the nominee to be chosen?

Are we allowed to discuss the general election afterwards or is that off limits as well?

by Anonymousreply 4403/06/2019

Well, if Biden does get in it, he may take the wind out of Bernie's sails. So if he can neutralize Bernie I'm in.

by Anonymousreply 4503/06/2019

Great point r45! I'm sick of Bernie's old crotchety ass. I'm more sick of The Young Turks and the rest of his ass kissing supporters. They can be almost as toxic as red hood wearing MAGA.

by Anonymousreply 4603/06/2019

Well, it all depends if Trump implodes or not in the next year or so. If he does, there is no need to play it safe with Biden. Not that I think Dems have to anyway even if Trump is still around as long as they keep damaging Trump with investigations until the election.

by Anonymousreply 4703/06/2019

I remember when Reagan won decades ago and there was concern that since he was about to turn 70 that he was too damn old.

Biden would be 79 going into office if he were to win.

by Anonymousreply 4803/06/2019

Exactly r47. I do believe the investigations, with potent receipts, will undo the Evil Nectarine before 2020 rolls around.

by Anonymousreply 4903/06/2019

Wherefore art thou, o Poll Troll? Come back already.

by Anonymousreply 5003/06/2019

Biden is our ONLY shot at beating Trump. I hope everyone else comes to their senses and starts supporting him.

by Anonymousreply 5103/06/2019

R11 Kamala Harris and she'll win the WH.

by Anonymousreply 5203/06/2019

It’s true that Joe Biden has reached the very end of male life expectancy. It frightens me that we’d have a President who will be lucky to wake up in the morning.

by Anonymousreply 5303/06/2019

[quote]Kamala Harris and she'll win the WH.

lmfao.

by Anonymousreply 5403/06/2019

R54 see you in Nov. 2020.

by Anonymousreply 5503/06/2019

Vote Blue no matter who.

by Anonymousreply 5603/06/2019

The Bernie vs Biden battle for the nomination is going to be epic. Whoever can find a way to be the most hip will likely win.

by Anonymousreply 5703/06/2019

You’re a winner, baby? Biden/Beto 2020!

by Anonymousreply 5803/06/2019

Biden/Harris

by Anonymousreply 5903/06/2019

Biden will trot out his dead son’s corpse out on the campaign trail and go for the sympathy frau vote.

by Anonymousreply 6003/07/2019

Expected to launch his campaign early April.

by Anonymousreply 6103/07/2019

Too late.

by Anonymousreply 6203/07/2019

Sherrod Brown of Ohio will be the nominee but he will lose in the general election.

by Anonymousreply 6303/07/2019

Biden wouldn't have beaten Trump in 2016, because he has as much baggage as HRC did, even if the Roger Stone wing of the GOP hadn't been hammering him as much as HRC since the 1990s.

You also forget the election tampering and media bias for Trump.

by Anonymousreply 6403/07/2019

Sanders will narrowly defeat Biden.

by Anonymousreply 6503/07/2019

Biden/Sanders - woudl probably work but that ticket would have a combined age of 150. IF either wins they need a younger female or minority or both to be VP. I would say Biden/Beto in 2020 or Sanders/Warren either would be a nightmare for the GOP

by Anonymousreply 6603/07/2019

[quote]Sanders/Warren

And the combined age of this ticket? Lol.

by Anonymousreply 6703/07/2019

Biden cannot pick a white male running mate.

by Anonymousreply 6803/07/2019

Biden Klobuchar. Why? Because she can do the heavy lifting with Congress and Domestic policy and Joe can handle foreign policy, which he loves. He wanted to be Obama's Secretary of State at one point and instead he became Vice POTUS. Plus, if he should not complete his term, she is very able to step in and not miss a beat. Jaaoe is ell known and respected by foreign leaders. And we have a LOT of repairing to do. So as much as I love Kamala, and Elizabeth, that's the ticket I believe will work. And yes, absolutely "Vote Blue, No Matter Who!"

by Anonymousreply 6903/07/2019

Hillary is praying for someone to beg her to run. But it won't happen, people hate people who give away their pet cat

by Anonymousreply 7003/07/2019

[quote]Vote blue no matter who.

No. No Sanders-regret here. Just like no Trump-regret.

by Anonymousreply 7103/07/2019

Did anyone read Hillary's Dear Socks book? Was it good?

by Anonymousreply 7203/07/2019

Joe has some explaining to do.

by Anonymousreply 7303/07/2019

BETO BETO BETO!

by Anonymousreply 7403/07/2019

[quote]Sherrod Brown of Ohio will be the nominee but he will lose in the general election.

O’rly?

by Anonymousreply 7503/07/2019

That was nearly 30 years ago, r73.

by Anonymousreply 7603/07/2019

R76 is really bad at math. Must be a retard.

by Anonymousreply 7703/07/2019

26 years is NEARY 30, r77.

by Anonymousreply 7803/07/2019

Is Brown ill or something? He looks like a hobo.

Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to ever run for office, but will she get the much coveted cat lady vote?

by Anonymousreply 7903/07/2019

I've never been a Biden fan - quite the opposite - but I will admit to warming up to him a bit. As to VP, I'm totally indifferent. Nobody ever votes on the basis of the VP candidate, so effectively it's irrelevant.

by Anonymousreply 8003/07/2019

I think Biden is going to get old fast and that's not a pun on his age. I think a little bit of Joe goes a long way. If he were to get the nomination, by the time November rolls around we will have had enough of Biden. What will happen? Our side won't show up. There will be a little enthusiasm for him. so turnout will be depressed. Maybe a great running mate can hpe with that. But we really need to win. We need massive turn out.

by Anonymousreply 8103/07/2019

HARRIS/O'ROURKE!!! Live with it bitches!

by Anonymousreply 8203/07/2019

Yeah, I can picture Kamala Harris winning the rust belt on a platform of legalizing hookers, pot, reparations and socialism.

by Anonymousreply 8303/07/2019

Biden winning the nomination automatically eliminates O’Rourke and other white men as veep. What else can they bring to the ticket that Joe can’t? I predict Biden/Harris, Biden/Castro or Biden/Abrams.

by Anonymousreply 8403/07/2019

Geeze ^^. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 8503/07/2019

Personally I've been secretly loving Biden/Harris for a while.

by Anonymousreply 8603/07/2019

So far the race is geezers and bigots. Way ta go Dems!

by Anonymousreply 8703/07/2019

It's too bad the election cycles last so damn long. Yes, they will be sick of Biden. A lot people were sick of the nasty sniping between Hilary and Trump and just tuned out from disgust.

by Anonymousreply 8803/07/2019

R84 two white men aren't out of the question. I don't think most Democrats are interested in identity politics, or that they vote on that basis. Republicans, yes, but not Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 8903/08/2019

Obama ain't supporting Biden for president. Not happening.

by Anonymousreply 9003/08/2019

Obama has no plans to endorse anyone.

by Anonymousreply 9103/08/2019

Amy Klobuchar understands politics old style. She's met with Hillary, with Obama, and with our former ambassador to Japan, who is also Former VP of the United States, and former Senator from Minnesota, Walter Mondale, who gave her his blessing. I like knowing she did that. I bet she also reached out to Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris and Cory Booker who serve in the Senate with her. She may have even spoken to Sherrod Brown. That really is how one starts the process. I wonder if she sat down with Biden. They're saying Biden wouldn't announce until April if he is running. I hope he doesn't. I really hope he doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 9203/08/2019

Mike Pence is a decent guy!

by Anonymousreply 9303/08/2019

So was Anita Bryant! Hitler wasn't all that bad either, had some good ideas, like the extermination of homos.

by Anonymousreply 9403/08/2019

[quote]Obama has no plans to endorse anyone.

Obama has always been supremely cautious. He will make an endorsement when it's safe to do so. He wants to make sure it does not reflect badly on him if he endorses a candidate that drops out of race early.

by Anonymousreply 9503/08/2019

It's not unusual for the party leaders like Obama to not endorse in the Primaries. It's too messy. Better he waits to endorse who ever the nominee is. He saves his political capital and spends it where it'll do the most good. But I don't think he wanted Biden in the race.

by Anonymousreply 9603/08/2019

Smells like a right wing thread to me. Over and out!

by Anonymousreply 9703/08/2019

Name recognition is all he's got going for him, and when all the other candidates have it too, he'll have nothing.

by Anonymousreply 9803/08/2019

I don't think he's going to run

by Anonymousreply 9903/08/2019

I don’t think so either.

by Anonymousreply 10003/08/2019

[quote]Yeah, I can picture Kamala Harris winning the rust belt on a platform of legalizing hookers, pot, reparations and socialism.

I thought the blacks mostly think of her as a cop, though. Based on her “tough on crime” stint as DA and Attorney General.

Are people really going to think she’s now in favor of legalizing everything?

by Anonymousreply 10103/08/2019

I'm starting to think we need him.

Politico, today's big article.

by Anonymousreply 10203/08/2019

Link the article cause I don’t see it.

by Anonymousreply 10303/08/2019

Joe Biden would be THE sole candidate to rally voters around sufficient to defeat Trump.

If the well-known, accomplished, and brilliant HRC couldn't (for whatever various and sundry reasons), no other current dame, especially any of controversy (Al Franken; DNA; "Green Manifesto") is going to. Take that to the bank. I mean, it isn't as if Kamala, Elizabeth, or AOC would score higher on an imaginary "likability scale."

Nope. People will seek a familiar Father Figure: a uniter by temperament and a comforter by nature; a person generous with compliments, not criticism; a man of pride, but not of hubris; a leader who lifts up and inspires, not a demagogue who degrades and incites; a patriot, not a traitor.

Biden will head the ticket. Beto (not Booker or Sherrod or Buttigieg) will be his running mate.

As for Bernie: No chance in Hades.

by Anonymousreply 10403/08/2019

Wow, so much cluelessness in the first 20 posts in this thread. Can’t wait to revisit it after the primaries.

by Anonymousreply 10503/08/2019

Why haven't Bernie & Jones opened their lake houses to the proletariat?

by Anonymousreply 10603/08/2019

^ Bernie & Jane, not the Jones next door

by Anonymousreply 10703/08/2019

R106, when you reach Bernie's age, and you have a home as beautiful and serene as that waiting for you, WTF would you want to spend your time in seedy old diners, with a bunch of smelly people in the middle of Nowhere, North Dakota.

by Anonymousreply 10803/08/2019

If Bernie's the nominee, Trump wins the general.

by Anonymousreply 10903/09/2019

Nope.

by Anonymousreply 11003/09/2019

Biden likes the clean negros.

by Anonymousreply 11103/09/2019

Biden can’t beat Trump.

by Anonymousreply 11203/09/2019

R112 IMO he's the only one who can beat Trump

by Anonymousreply 11303/09/2019

You’re an idiot r113. He’s exactly what Americans loathe.

by Anonymousreply 11403/09/2019

Biden is basically an older, gaffe-prone version of Hillary.

by Anonymousreply 11503/09/2019

So the perfect will be the enemy of the good again? That's how we got the lying traitor we have.

by Anonymousreply 11603/09/2019

Yeah, the guy who said millennials need to quit complainin and they have it so easy is definitely going to win over young voters. Biden better stay out of the race if he can

by Anonymousreply 11703/10/2019

R117, Not exactly a well-known quotation, if it's one at all.

R114, Hardly. You must be blind to America's power structure.

by Anonymousreply 11803/10/2019

[quote]Yeah, I can picture Kamala Harris winning the rust belt on a platform of legalizing hookers, pot, reparations and socialism.

You have to be like AOC and just clap your hands and BELIEVE.

by Anonymousreply 11903/10/2019

[quote] [ Dedicated US political divider posting from Brazil ]

Hey, I think I know of someone like that who lives in Brazil. Poses as a super lefty journo, yet poo poos the Russia investigation.

Maybe he has trained some online trolls like the Russians did in St Petersburg.

by Anonymousreply 12003/10/2019

[Quote] Why haven't Bernie & Jones opened their lake houses to the proletariat?

Because it has nothing to do with socialism?

by Anonymousreply 12103/10/2019

Are there many rich socialists? I thought everyone made about the same amount of money.

by Anonymousreply 12203/11/2019

[quote]Obama has always been supremely cautious. He will make an endorsement when it's safe to do so.

Former presidents rarely, if ever, endorse primary candidates.

by Anonymousreply 12303/11/2019

[quote]Are there many rich socialists? [bold]I thought everyone made about the same amount of money.[/bold]

Who is “everyone,” and why do you think they make “about the same amount of money?”

And yes, there are “rich socialists.”

by Anonymousreply 12403/11/2019
by Anonymousreply 12503/11/2019

If Bernie wins, I'll be very busy.

by Anonymousreply 12603/11/2019

I was talking to a wacky Lesbian bar friend at the neighborhood watering hole, she has purple hair and she's covered in tats, and she's waiting for Beto!!!!! LOLOL!!!!

by Anonymousreply 12703/11/2019

Joe to the rescue.

by Anonymousreply 12803/12/2019

I love that all the people in support of Biden on cable news are white males and/or Republican.

by Anonymousreply 12903/12/2019

He sounded like he was going to die when he spoke to the firemen today. Wow.

by Anonymousreply 13003/12/2019

People like who, R129?

by Anonymousreply 13103/12/2019

Former congressman Ryan Costello, R131, on MSNBC today.

by Anonymousreply 13203/12/2019

David Frum, David Brooks are both Biden fans. Bipartisan support.

by Anonymousreply 13303/12/2019

[QUOTE]He sounded like he was going to die when he spoke to the firemen today. Wow.

Yeah he’s definitely lost a lot of his spunk. We even have an old speech at the exact same function for contrast.

Biden in 2012:

by Anonymousreply 13403/12/2019

Biden today:

by Anonymousreply 13503/12/2019

David Frum and David Brooks are for him. Bipartisan support.

by Anonymousreply 13603/12/2019

Biden is this year’s DNC “coronation” candidate. It’s his turn.

by Anonymousreply 13703/12/2019

Well we’re better off with last year’s coronation candidate. At least Hillary doesn’t sound like the grim reaper is hovering behind her when she speaks.

by Anonymousreply 13803/12/2019

I thought the DNC changed their rules so that only Registered Democrats can run? If they didn’t, that was rather silly of them. But anyway, I’ve not heard or read anything about Bernie going from “I” to “D” so if the DNC allows him -or any other non-registered Dem to run in the Democrat Primary, whatever chaos ensues, they’ve only themselves to blame.

by Anonymousreply 13903/12/2019

Well the idea of Biden is obviously more attractive than the reality. I truly hope he doesn't do this, but he obviously is. I wonder if he ever watches the video clips of himself and realizes it's just bad. One thing is certain. Who ever he chooses as a running mate will be very important. I'm betting it'll be Kamala HArris. He'll give some OJT and then he may even step down in two years. If he wins. One thing you can count on, if Trump survives to run for re-election, he will be brutal with Biden. He will shred him, no holds barred. It will be real ugly.

by Anonymousreply 14003/12/2019

DNC: No Presidents Under 75!

by Anonymousreply 14103/12/2019

R112 Shouldn't you be chasing moose and squirrel?

by Anonymousreply 14203/12/2019

Why Biden is the clear favorite

by Anonymousreply 14303/12/2019

Biden's air of inevitability is how his campaign will be sold: "Joe is the inevitable victor, so stop in-fighting and let's join together to fight Trump." You read it here first.

by Anonymousreply 14403/12/2019

His campaign can only take that posture if he starts racking up primary wins and delegates. Otherwise he might prove to be an imposter with Bernie or perhaps Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren as the true front runner. We’re months and months away from anyone laying claim to the nom like that.

by Anonymousreply 14503/12/2019

It’s going to be hilarious watching Biden crashing and burning in record time.

by Anonymousreply 14603/12/2019

Trump is not afraid of Biden and he has his opposition researchers and his themes already baked in to an anti-Biden strategy. I feel like this is McGovern all over again. All I'm saying is do not think for one minute this is a wrap. I want to see someone younger and smarter and more tuned in take Trump on. And I Really want to see a woman kick his ass.

by Anonymousreply 14703/12/2019

R140, what on earth is “OJT”?

by Anonymousreply 14803/12/2019

Love the guy. Honest. We could do a lot worse than a Biden/Beto or Biden/Harris ticket ❤️

by Anonymousreply 14903/12/2019

Cry me a river. Sanders will be the nominee. Deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 15003/12/2019

No, he won’t.

by Anonymousreply 15103/12/2019

[quote] Are there many rich socialists? I thought everyone made about the same amount of money.

That's because you're ignorant. Of course there are rich people in socialist countries. They're just not as rich as in America because wealth is spread throughout society. The average person gets 6 weeks vacation a year, plus parental leave. And the country doesn't get hysterical & fall apart.

by Anonymousreply 15203/12/2019

My mother was Irish Catholic. She and everyone in her extended family voted against JFK, the first catholic president of Irish descent.

Don't expect only whites will vote for whites or that latinos will vote for a Latin candidate.

by Anonymousreply 15303/12/2019

R150, who’s “crying”?

by Anonymousreply 15403/12/2019

Biden hasn't even announced. The media keeps forcing him as the frontrunner and it's deceptive. He isn't even officially a candidate for anything so why is his name being polled?

Bernie is the actual frontrunner. Get used to it. He has the best chances of any Democrat to beat Trump anyway next year if he's still alive. Millennials would actually leave the house to go vote for Bernie.

by Anonymousreply 15503/12/2019

R149, I don't think that Beto is a feasible VP choice. First of all, much of the party is moving leftwards, and Biden is going to feel compelled to make a gesture to the progressive wing by choosing someone more progressive, not another centrist. Second, Beto won't be able to deliver Texas, so what would be the point? Biden is smart enough to realize Beto would be a non-starter when better alternatives will be available.

by Anonymousreply 15603/13/2019

Btw I would have pointed out Beto's lack of viability as a VP candidate on the Beto thread, but anyone there who is less than adoring of Beto is quickly condemned as a wicked troll, so I keep out.

by Anonymousreply 15703/13/2019

[QUOTE]Biden hasn't even announced. The media keeps forcing him as the frontrunner and it's deceptive.

The media hasn’t forced a damn thing. It’s wholly organic, due to his placement atop all the polls among Democratic voters since the day after the 2016 election. The voters want Joe in this race.

by Anonymousreply 15803/13/2019

[quote]Second, Beto won't be able to deliver Texas, so what would be the point?

Oooookay.... and which Democrat would?

I don’t think you’re the master Democratic strategist you think you are.

by Anonymousreply 15903/13/2019

Beto is the ONLY Democratic contender who could deliver Texas. What?? You think Kamala could do it? Warren? Bernie? LOL!

We win Texas, California and New York and the Republicans have almost no way to win the election.

by Anonymousreply 16003/13/2019

[quote]Oooookay.... and which Democrat would?

None of them can win Texas.

by Anonymousreply 16103/13/2019

The problem with these old coots is that Biden can't win the primary but he could win the general. And Bernie could win the primary but can't win the General.

Hopefully, they divide the dems, and fall off and Harris can get on message and rise to the top.

by Anonymousreply 16203/13/2019

r155, he has no chance in hell. It is starting to blatantly come out with it and say he is a socialist. There is no way in hell he would win the general. I won't even vote for him and I am a democrat. NEVER. But I do live in California, so I would just skip the Presidency.

I don' think Biden is best candidate but I would vote for him if he was the nominee.

by Anonymousreply 16303/13/2019

Too old. I think that we still should get younger people in office. And I say this as a borderline eldergay.

by Anonymousreply 16403/13/2019

I don't think Harris can win the general r162. She's black and a woman and I'm not sure this country wants either one this time around.

WE have to win this election. We have to get rid of Trump. We need the best possible contender for that; now is not the time to take a risk and see if the country is progressive enough to elect a black woman regardless of how impressive she is as a candidate.

by Anonymousreply 16503/13/2019

I wonder how many of the “I won’t vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee” people also lambasted “Bernie bros” who wouldn’t vote for Hilary? All of them, I’m sure. Fucking hypocrites.

by Anonymousreply 16603/13/2019

Don't look at me r166, I never said that. I will vote for Bernie if by some slim chance he becomes the nominee. I would vote for my next door neighbor before I ever voted for Trump (and I don't particular like my next door neighbor).

I would vote for him but I suspect I won't have to; no way in hell will he ever be the nominee.

by Anonymousreply 16703/13/2019

It's going to be Biden and Harris.That's the ticket. The goal is to make people feel like she's a sort of Michelle Obama type personality, and people love Michelle, so Harris will make them feel all fuzzy and no one will talk about her record as a prosecutor.

by Anonymousreply 16803/13/2019

I will always love Uncle Joe for forcing Obama’s hand on gay marriage.

by Anonymousreply 16903/13/2019

[quote]I wonder how many of the “I won’t vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee” people also lambasted “Bernie bros” who wouldn’t vote for Hilary? All of them, I’m sure. Fucking hypocrites.

I wonder how many of those who protest voted in 2016 are calling those who say will protest vote in 2020 hypocrites.

Anyway, most Democrats will do what R167 said, vote for whoever wins the Democratic primary, even is that person is a non-Democrat Sanders.

by Anonymousreply 17003/13/2019

Biden/Beto ftw!

by Anonymousreply 17103/13/2019

[quote]Don't look at me [R166], I never said that.

Then why are you responding? Clearly I’m talking about people who DO say that, like R163. I swear, some of you just need to argue every little point. If it doesn”t apply to you, you can just not reply.

by Anonymousreply 17203/13/2019

[quote]The problem with these old coots is that Biden can't win the primary but he could win the general. And Bernie could win the primary but can't win the General.

The bigger problem with the two old coots is that both of them would be terrible Presidents.

by Anonymousreply 17303/13/2019

[quote]The goal is to make people feel like she's a sort of Michelle Obama type personality, and people love Michelle, so Harris will make them feel all fuzzy and no one will talk about her record as a prosecutor.

This is a mistake to frame Harris as a feel-good Michelle Obama type.

Her appeal is that she’s a tough prosecutor who will cut through the bullshit in Washington and get shit done.

by Anonymousreply 17403/13/2019

After back-stabbing Hillary, Biden is on my shit list. Will vote for him holding my nose.

The only white guy I'd be enthusiastic about is Franken.

by Anonymousreply 17503/13/2019

R159, one doesn’t need to be a master political strategist to figure this one out. A VP candidate has two tasks: somehow “balance” the ticket, and/or deliver his home state. Beto would do neither of these. Therefore it is highly unlikely he could ever be Biden’s VP pick.

Biden is certainly enough of a cynical experienced politician to know how this works.

by Anonymousreply 17603/13/2019

Well, just don't pick another Joe "Single payer over my dead body" Lieberman.

by Anonymousreply 17703/13/2019

Beto couldn't deliver Texas? Based on what? Beto lost Texas narrowly running against Cruz, from what I understand, Trump is not as popular in Texas as Cruz is, so I don't agree that Beto couldn't deliver his home state of Texas in a general election.

by Anonymousreply 17803/13/2019

If Biden is the nominee, Harris is the no-brainer veep selection.

by Anonymousreply 17903/13/2019

Why? Because she can give him California? LOL if a Dem presidential nominee can't carry California already then they have serious problems.

Because she's black and a woman? Maybe.

by Anonymousreply 18003/13/2019

Sanders will be the nominee. Joe is so out of touch it’s unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 18103/13/2019

I think a Biden administration will mean little progress. More about repairing things. Little push on health care, even with a Senate majority. Maybe repair is more important but...

by Anonymousreply 18203/13/2019

R170: Very few because Sanders supporters voted for Clinton en masse.

by Anonymousreply 18303/13/2019

[quote]I think a Biden administration will mean little progress. More about repairing things. Little push on health care, even with a Senate majority. Maybe repair is more important but...

In other words... he’s Hillary 2.0.

We already tried this, and we already know the outcome. But Democrats seem to really love losing... so Biden it is.

by Anonymousreply 18403/13/2019

Socialism is not a bad word to Americans even to the deplorables. Lest I remind you how they kicked and screamed to their Republican lawmakers for Obamacare to not be taken away from them.

Despite all the trash they talked about death panels and Obamacare being socialist, the poor white l people yelled and screamed and stood up to their own Republican representatives about keeping Obamacare. Just imagine if they hear a candidate say single payer and 15 minimum wage. People want radical change and people like underdogs. Trump, Bernie were radical and underdogs.

A presumptive establishment favorite like Biden or Kamala just won't win over Americans

by Anonymousreply 18503/13/2019

We didn't!

by Anonymousreply 18603/13/2019

So. It looks like Beto O Rourke, the media manufactured shiny object i going to run for President. IMO a lot of these people know they have no chance of winning the nomination, but are positioning for either the VP slot, or for the future. I think they're stupid.

by Anonymousreply 18703/13/2019

R187, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

R185, you’re even dumber. I can’t believe what I just read in your post. Delusional.

by Anonymousreply 18803/13/2019

Beto will end up being the VP candidate.

by Anonymousreply 18903/13/2019

If Joe is smart he'll chose Julian Castro, or Kamala Harris.

by Anonymousreply 19003/13/2019

I can't get over the way people turn into sheeple and just get all taken in by media hype. Beto was a phenom in Texas because he gave Ted Cruz a real run for his money. I thought that was great. But WTF has he done that would make people want him to be PResident. Seriously. Personally I think the media is throwing shit against the walls to see what sticks.

by Anonymousreply 19103/13/2019

Qualifications don't matter any more, R191.

by Anonymousreply 19203/13/2019

I don't hate a Biden & Harris ticket.

by Anonymousreply 19303/13/2019

Aren't Beto and Jon Ossoff going to open an off-campus pizza place together? Are they qualified for anything more than that?

by Anonymousreply 19403/13/2019

Biden will not be a good President.

by Anonymousreply 19503/13/2019

I do like the Biden/Harris thing. Mostly b/c the Trumptards hate it.

by Anonymousreply 19603/13/2019

I'm fine with any Dem ticket.

by Anonymousreply 19703/13/2019

Me too. A lot I people I like and haven't completely decided on anyone yet (except no to Bernie.)

by Anonymousreply 19803/13/2019

Does prosecutorial Harris risk coming across as an angry black woman? Or is that a good thing? Stacey Abrams projects a nurturing, caring persona that appealed to the ‘you is important’ fans.

by Anonymousreply 19903/13/2019

I like Joe Biden. He's smart, kind, dedicated, has lived through and survived personal trauma, and is respected by and well connected to our real allies and will rebuild our reputation and security.

He should pick the best of the lot for VP. I don't know who yet but someone with a real chance in 2024.

by Anonymousreply 20003/13/2019

Yeah Biden's ok. But he sounded like he was dying the other day speaking to the firemen. I mean damn...

by Anonymousreply 20103/13/2019

R191, it’s about who is the biggest “rock star” in the Party, who can inspire the largest number of voters to come out to the polls, especially Millennials. For whatever reason, Beto seems to be that guy.

Qualifications and experience have NOTHING to do with it.

Were you asleep during the 2016 Election? The uninspiring candidate, who happened to be the most qualified ever, lost the presidential election. I don’t know if you’re aware of that.

by Anonymousreply 20203/13/2019
by Anonymousreply 20303/15/2019

I saw on Twitter that Manu Raju from CNN asked Amy Klobuchar about being mean to her staff...again. I was so fucking pissed off when I Read it I explolded on twitter. It stinks of "E-mails!" and it's a form of harassment. How many times will they ask? Are they trying to see how many different ways she can answer it? Rotten fuckers. It's not going to work this time. Whether you support her or not, please start pressuring the media to do better. There is no way we can allow them to do the same old bullshit coverage they've done in the past. Too much is at stake.

by Anonymousreply 20403/15/2019

Are you one of the anti-Beto people on the Beto threads, R204?

by Anonymousreply 20503/15/2019

R204 what do you suggest , just scream FAKE NEWS at them like Trump does?

by Anonymousreply 20603/15/2019

I think it will be Biden/Warren or Biden/Klobuchar. Harris being black would be an asset. Harris being an unlikable bitch would be a negative.

by Anonymousreply 20703/15/2019

It will not be Biden. Nobody wants an old fuck whose life expectancy is less than one year.

by Anonymousreply 20803/15/2019

I'm not "anti" anyone at this point except Bernie. I just get angry when I see the media attempting to cover candidates in the same disgusting way they did before.And that was the point I was trying to make. Not so much about Klobuchar, but about the way the reporter was going after her. It was as if the CNN reporter wants to keep an issue alive, and after 600 straight days of negative coverage , of the media pounding Hillary about e-mails, and watching her keep trying to respond, I wanted to literally kick their asses. No matter who the candidate is on the Democratic side, I want us to demand better from the media. That was my point.

by Anonymousreply 20903/16/2019

If they choose Biden to run as Pres they must put a double minority in the VP slot. That puts them in a bind.

by Anonymousreply 21003/16/2019

Is Kamala Boomer, or Gen X?

by Anonymousreply 21103/16/2019

Very very late Boomer r211. 1964 I think?

by Anonymousreply 21203/16/2019

If Biden gets the nomination (and personallly I hope he doesn't, I think he's too old), he'd be a fool not to take Beto as VP. Beto could give him Texas, and the election. l None of the other candidates as VP (and definitely as Presidential candidates) have a better chance of getting Texas than Beto.

We get California, New York and Texas and most of the other states that usually go Democratic in presidential elections, and Trump has NO way of winning.

by Anonymousreply 21303/16/2019

Unfortunately, Trump is only stoppable by the Siberians who out him in office. They made him, and they can break him. Whatever will demoralize and destabilize the USA, whether he wins, or loses is in their rich, influential, techo-savy, hands.

by Anonymousreply 21403/16/2019

I'm not sure we can have two Boomers on the same ticket then. Will Gen Z go for that?

by Anonymousreply 21503/16/2019

[QUOTE]Beto could give him Texas, and the election.

The Democrats don’t need Texas and shouldn’t waste any resources trying to win it. They don’t even need Florida or Ohio or North Carolina. All they have to do is win all the blue states Hillary won while adding Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan back into our column (states a Democrat has no business losing in the first place). There’s nobody better suited for that job than Joe Biden, and the best VP choice that would help him is a minority candidate like Kamala Harris who I think would do great in that one VP debate against Mike Pence.

by Anonymousreply 21603/16/2019

I think Kamala is more GenX than Boomer. She’s right on the border of the two.

by Anonymousreply 21703/16/2019

R215 people don't vote on a generational basis, and they rarely vote based on the VP candidate.

by Anonymousreply 21803/16/2019

See? This is why America's Got Talent, Dancing With the Stars, The Bachelor, And all the rest are so popular. They're preparing us for this contest. So many of these have no chance, no support, no money, no name recognition, and eventually they will all fizzle. The smart candidates are trying to survive until the first wave of primaries beginning next January. People are going by name recognition right now, mainly. But the candidates who are doing the grunt work, knocking on doors, going to town halls, sitting in someone's living room talking to 30 people, are the ones who will emerge early in 2020.

by Anonymousreply 21903/16/2019

R219 here. I want to add that back in 1976, my first election, that's how Jimmy Who? won Iowa and became Jimmy Carter, POTUS.

by Anonymousreply 22003/16/2019

Why would Gen Z care? Is Gen Z even old enough to vote yet?

by Anonymousreply 22103/16/2019

Gen Z won’t vote if they can’t do it on Instagram.

by Anonymousreply 22203/16/2019

What is the age range for Gen Z?

by Anonymousreply 22303/16/2019

[quote]the best VP choice that would help him is a minority candidate like Kamala Harris who I think would do great in that one VP debate against Mike Pence.

Don't presume Pence will be on the ticket. There have been rumors that Trump may ditch him for Nikki Hailey.

by Anonymousreply 22403/16/2019

Pence isn’t going anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 22503/16/2019

Why are people fixating on GenZ when Millennials are the largest voting block?

by Anonymousreply 22603/16/2019
by Anonymousreply 22703/17/2019

It’s amazing that people here seem to think the 2020 field and where they will end up on primary day can be analyzed before you get them all on stage together. These polls are beyond meaningless Unless you are Joe Biden. And the only reason he would need them is because if The polls had him in the single digits, then it would be a sign he should not bother to run. But that’s not the case. The Twenty20 race is a total free-for-all and nobody has any idea who will get the nomination of the six or so major contenders at the moment.

by Anonymousreply 22803/17/2019

What matters right now is who is out there working the voters and answering questions. Because once the primaries start, it will be the people who connect who make it through the early primaries. I also think we're in for some surprises. Right now you have name recognition and images. But once they hit the debate stage they will have to answer questions. People like Klobuchar and Castro may yet emerge to rate higher with voters for being smart about policy. Biden really is old school and out of touch.

by Anonymousreply 22903/17/2019

He along with most of the other candidates is too old. Potentially 78 when he becomes POTUS so 82 if he only serves one term.

Why do all of these old people who should be dribbling in a corner want to become President?

by Anonymousreply 23003/17/2019

R230, In Biden's case, experience, wisdom, decency, compassion, extensive knowledge of world affairs, strong relationships with his colleagues at home and internationally, and the ability to relate to working people as well as people in power.

by Anonymousreply 23103/17/2019

r231, he's still TOO DAMN OLD.

I don't want the president to die of old age while in office.

by Anonymousreply 23203/17/2019

He's old enough to be the Parent/Grandparent of most Western leaders.

by Anonymousreply 23303/17/2019

Biden and Stacy

by Anonymousreply 23403/17/2019

I SO hope Biden doesn't do this. I know it seems inevitable, but he is going to become a joke. He just isn't as agile as he would need to be. That folksy style only goes so far. And he is really out of touch. There are millions of young voters, many of them mobilized by the Parkland kids. They'll be out here like they were in 2018 and they will have an impact. But they will not be enthusiastic about Biden.

by Anonymousreply 23503/17/2019

R213, Beto was arrested twice and got his daddy judge to expunge his record. He spells trouble.

Not a good choice for VP with the already baggage-burdened Biden.

If Biden runs, he needs a woman as VP given his record preferably a woman of color. Biden/Harris may fit

by Anonymousreply 23603/17/2019

LOL, “spells trouble”. Yeah, trouble for Joe’s primary candidacy, Bernie’s candidacy, and Trump’s office.

by Anonymousreply 23703/17/2019

[quote] Why do all of these old people who should be dribbling in a corner want to become President?

Because it's my turn goddamnit.

by Anonymousreply 23803/17/2019

R238 = Hillary Derangement Syndrome

by Anonymousreply 23903/17/2019

Biden is a fighter! We need that

by Anonymousreply 24003/17/2019

Biden/Abrams would be unstoppable.

by Anonymousreply 24103/17/2019

No, R241, they would not. People are making a big deal out of the fact Stacey Abrams met with Biden. But if she were smart, she'd be running for the Senate against Perdue who is a piece of shit, with his tongue all the way up Trump's ass.

by Anonymousreply 24203/18/2019

Amy Klobuchar spoke to the Human Rights Campaign on Friday. Great Speech. It's on Facebook. She's smart, she's nerdy, and she actually got off some funny lines. More important, she has a great track record with our issues. Going back to the 90's. Check it out. And no, I don't have alink. Let's see how good you are at finding shit.

by Anonymousreply 24303/18/2019

It's just name recognition. Suzanne Somers would be leading the pack if she were running, although she's a Republican so she'd thankfully be running on the other side.

by Anonymousreply 24403/18/2019

Beto/Booker v Trump/ Haley with the latter winning.. Mark my words.

by Anonymousreply 24503/18/2019

R232, so what if he died while in office if he chooses the right VP.

by Anonymousreply 24603/18/2019

Why can’t we apply this logic to the Oscars?

by Anonymousreply 24703/18/2019

Biden/Abrams, "America Back on Trak." (Amtrak pun intended.)

by Anonymousreply 24803/18/2019

r246, Because I don't want him to die in office. It's not natural for a president to die in office. The last president to die in office was JFK over 55 years ago, and he clearly didn't die of old age.

I'd rather have a president that I can be reasonably sure will be able to live out his/her term in office.

And that's why I don't' support Biden or Bernie for the presidency.

by Anonymousreply 24903/18/2019

[QUOTE]And he is really out of touch.

I think he’s very much “in touch” with millions of Dems like me who don’t like where the party is headed. Anybody who thinks the government needs to seize Apple and break it up has no business being anywhere near the White House. Maybe Joe can put a stop to this madness.

by Anonymousreply 25003/18/2019

R249. There are no guarantees on anyone's life. Biden could live into his nineties.

I wish trump would die in office. The world would rejoice.

by Anonymousreply 25103/18/2019

True r251, but you must admit, there is more of a chance Biden will not live out his term then say someone like Kamala, Booker or Beto.

That's my biggest problem with Biden.

Now if he picks a good VP and steps down after 4 years then I have less of a problem with him.

by Anonymousreply 252Last Tuesday at 4:29 AM

They are both starting to look really old on Television. They will be out of the race after the summer. After first debate they will look like grandpas.

by Anonymousreply 253Last Tuesday at 5:22 AM

r245, It won't be Beto/Booker.

Only Trump/Haley if Trump strokes out election night.

by Anonymousreply 254Last Tuesday at 5:24 AM

Trump/Haley would be a decent ticket.

by Anonymousreply 255Last Tuesday at 5:36 AM

THe smart thing to do is to pick Nikki Haley. But I have to wonder if Trump's ego and his obvious personality disorder will prevent him from seeing the political value in her. Nikki is outspoken, and likes attention. She will not be the semi-invisible "follow your marching orders" type of VP Pence has been. Yes, she would appeal to the Evangelicals, but at this point Trump is so confident (over confident?) of his own support from them he doesn't need her. The Republican Party may find value in her if it looks like Trump is going down. But IMO, Trump will stick with Pence. One thing you have to appreciate is that he really doesn't like too much change. He's probably comfortable with Pence, although he is perfectly capable of turning on a dime and "firing" him. Pence likes to stay out of his way and sing his praises.

As for Biden, he was young when he had his brain aneurysm. He seems to be fit and healthy, but read his Wiki page. Who ever he chooses for VP better be ready to step in seamlessly. I'm not kidding. IMO Biden will need Kamala, ELizabeth or Amy. He could work with Corey Booker or Julian Castro, but he'll need someone he can trust not to undermine him. Kristen Gillibrand is not that person, neither is Beto. Actually Amy Klobuchar or Jay Inslee would be best as his running mate but that ticket might not be electable. We have come to expect a bit of "hollywood" from our elected officials. Personally I'd love it if Biden won and then stepped down after two years and allowed his VP to step up.

by Anonymousreply 256Last Tuesday at 5:53 AM

I'm liking Governor Inslee of Washington. Seems like a smart person.

by Anonymousreply 257Last Tuesday at 7:23 AM

I like Inslee too.

by Anonymousreply 258Last Tuesday at 7:33 AM
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