Turns out bedding straight guys is easy

No shit.

What a Damascene moment that must have been for you.

R2 FTW and bonus round points for working "Damascene" into a DL post.

All you have to do is click your heels three times, lift your caftan and repeat, "there's no place like yum."

They are just closet cases.

If they taught Best Practices Fellatio Skills 101 in college to women, you'd be SOL, OP.

All the gay men on the trans-spectrum are green with envy, transwoman, OP!

Just like women pick up gay guys at bars all the time, right? Like r5 said, they're either gay guys or closet cases. That guy just assumes they're straight and never bothers to ask, because it would ruin his pathetic little fantasy.

Still hooking up at your age?

Right, R9, because having thrilling sexual encounters, which contribute to a person’s overall good health happiness, is so wrong and something only very young people should enjoy.

There is no such thing as a straight man.

I have not needed a gay bar to hook up with a guy in person (the old fashioned way) in probably 15 years.

It's a spectrum obviously. Call it the Kinsey Scale if you like, but most humans seem to land somewhere in the bisexuality realm. There are TONS of 100% straight men and women and plenty of bisexual ones as well. For some reason, the more sexually active or sexually driven humans usually fall more into that bisexual arena. I guess that makes sense. If the concept of masculine/macho/manly were not so closely attached to complete heterosexuality in our society, I am sure that millions of men would be more open about their actual desires. Complete heterosexuality is reinforced by the views of heterosexual women and other "heterosexual" men (who often times are actually bisexual. There is no better way to insult or tear down a man (who wants to be seen as a 100% heterosexual) than to insinuate that he might be homosexual to some degree.

R13, you talk too much

Trans-spectrum, R13.

R11 - R13 True. There are many shades of grey.

Everyone knows that the biggest cum-guzzling sluts are straight guys!

I use to hook up with a straight guy that I would fist fuck. He was married and had two young kids, but the minute I got my entire fist in his ass he would shoot a massive load.

The guys that hang out late in any bar are in many cases looking for a late night hookup. There is something about having sex with someone who considers themselves straight or bi. I wouldn't develop a long-term relationship with them, but sex is sex.

Like Chris Burrous

Late night

Isolated

Discreet

Keep your mouth shut!

And always be direct and straight forward.

if they kiss, then gay.

FF’d^. Take a hike trans-spectrum gay.

I have kissed some really HOT straight guys.

You need to be smooth shaven to kiss a straight men. They wouldn’t like it otherwise

A very trans statement^.

r13 I find the men who are less sexually driven to be more gay in all honesty, actually scratch that I find all men gay when I really think about it. I also don't find many women to be bi or gay(outside of for attention purposes or some fake feminist shit).

I'm as gay as a picnic basket but I can very easily convince you that I'm straight.

Just saying.

R28 Sure Jan

R27 is right.

Don't paint women with your "everybody's bi" brush, R13. Just because a man will fuck almost anything under the right circumstances doesn't mean women will.

I'm gay and it was always easy as pie to pick up GAY MEN. Why bother with "straight men".

This is the MOST TIRED DL FETISH of all time.

You’re not trans, R31. That’s why. These gay men on the trans-spectrum are hard-wired to find only straight men attractive.

I wonder how many are gay guys who wear wedding rings and pretend to be str8.

A few DLers have admitted to doing that when they're on the road, R33.

I knew one R33. So, “people wouldn’t ask questions”. Never talked to him again after that.

Heterosexuality is a choice and a form of cockblocking.

R36 No being gay is.

Im surprised that straight men want to get fucked

Straight men enjoy having their prostates pleasured, R38. I’m guessing that’s what it’s about.

I know a sort-of bisexual (closeted) who’s as rugged and manly as a pretty boy can be (he’s very pretty), and he has two kids and is a total pussyhound. But he’s always had sex with men, from teenage years to the present day, and he’s a bottom who loves to be rimmed and fucked.

"Keep your mouth shut!"

Might want to re-think that one.

What does trans have to do with this thread?

We have one singular troll on here that is completely obsesses with trans ppl. I think he might have even killed one before.

Enough!

Bump

Damascene? OP was relating a drama scene and R2 had to go get all Mensa on it.

One out of five might take you up on your offer

You had sex with 5 supposed "straight" men and that makes up for all straight men been into sex with men. Your intelligence and generalization is ridiculous.

Jokes aside, I’m in my late 20s and about to take a job that requires me to travel 75% of the time outside of my city.

I’d love to know how this works if anyone else wants or share some tips. I’m not ugly or anything but I wouldn’t know how to tell if someone is interested. What do you all talk about, sports until the hotel bar closes?

The only guy I know along the lines of what OP is talking about (hes in 30s, came out as bi to me when we first met though, and isn't married yet) did tell me drunkenly one time about how many guys are into other guys than you'd think.

He's had experiences, but I don't know where it lies on the range from 'one awkward/coercive encounter with a coworker' to 'slutting it up for several years without me knowing he is'. He doesn't identify as gay though, at least acts enamored with his female now-fiance, and I'm not sure where he stands now on telling others he's bi.

I think we almost got to hooking up once (or more) but at least at the time it was too awkward for him to get into such a thing as an option he can happily choose and not, again, coercion.

All this time I only hope he's not just lying to himself and others and setting himself up for decades of unhappiness and/or leaving his then wife in the future.

He's still attractive to me, just an another way, but while my fantasy includes seduction of 'straight' guys, I don't ambitiously go for anyone who can't be open and glad about their love for other men sooner than later. So he's now a friend I infrequently chat or visit with.

Interesting

[quote]The guys that hang out late in any bar are in many cases looking for a late night hookup.

What an insight!

For all the talk about "sexual fluidity," shades of gray, and sexuality being "on a spectrum," the only thing that really matters is who your strongest emotional loyalties and most enduring romantic and sexual relationships have been with. There are few men (and even women, for that matter) who can't say with certainty whether they want to share their life with a same-sex or opposite-sex partner. I know this is a Captain Obvious post, but it needs to be said sometimes amid all the talk of fluidity, bi-curiosity, and so on.

Perhaps. Not everyone wants to partner

I like the fluid and mostly straight ones

In the end, sex is sex. Fuck labels.

Tranny ^

Here's the thing, the vast majority of "straight men" who hook up with other men are at least bisexual BUT most bisexual men rarely identify themselves as bi due the hetero-normative nature of our culture and heterosexual privilege. Based on the few studies that have been conducted about bisexual men, a clear majority of bisexual men lead a predominately heterosexual with only certain periods in their lives where they engage in homosexual activity. The most common pattern is that bi men sexually experiment when they are of college age but go on to marry heterosexually a lead a pretty much heterosexual life. Many bi men do resume hooking up with men during a period in their 30s or 40s where they heterosexually married with young children. This return to gay encounters is usually stemmed from sexual frustration at home and a desire not have some kind of sexual release other than masturbation but not wanting to cheat on their spouse - ironically some bi men feel if they engage in sexual acts with another man as opposed to woman this doesn't constitute cheating.

My ex-coworker was an escort and she used to say that internet porn was turning guys bi-curious. She couldn't believe how many guys would request anal sex and how many men would actually hired male escort to try anal sex.

Pheromones play a big trigger in straight men experimenting with gay sex. Studies have shown that men, of any persuasion, are more likely to have thoughts bout gay sex the closer they get to other men.

R56. Put "straight" guys in quotes.

Thank you, R57. Any man who claims to be straight and has sex with a gay man is not "straight." He's in denial, in the closet, or a bit of both.

It is very easy to hook up with a guy in hotel bars. I have done it. Either they are gay, or they are in the closet. If they are the latter, they are usually in the hotel due to a conference or business that takes them away from home. They are more likely to experiment, because they are away from home (the wife, family, friends) and they believe that they won't get caught. They might tell you any variation on:

"I've never done this before..."

"I'm curious..."

"I'm lonely..."

But, they are NOT Straight. They are in the closet, afraid to admit it, or in denial.

Let me put it another way...I'm a gay man, who has no desire to have sex with a woman. I cannot get it up for a woman. Maybe some men who have same-sex desires can get it up for a woman. They are bisexual or in denial. Straight guys do not want to have sex with other guys.

Go to straight clubs, especially urban clubs with lots of black and Latin men. The horny testosterone is palpable. Sit next to a dude alone and start small talk

No thanx r59

[quote] Put "straight" guys in quotes.

I think that is the point of the anecdote because pheromone production forms a big part of our sexuality. In guys pheromones are created in the prostate area mostly, but not exclusively, in women they are produce in the neck/shoulder area, but also not exclusively. This is why there have been studies on why the majority of rapes against women are oral penetration while on men is anal penetration.

Males appear to have a bigger reaction to pheromones.

I’ve been coming here since the Bill Clinton years. And the threads that always makes me yawn are deluded gay males who claim they turned out a straight male. It’s a fantasy many have and like others rightfully say their hook ups are closeted or bisexual.

There is also a cultural component to gay sex, as gay sex has been used to demean other males, command power over other males, and combat loneliness. It would be stupid to say straight men do not engage in gay sex.

Few guys want the label of “gay.” Keep that word and sensibility out of the interactions, and you increase your chances.

Then if they are indulging in gay sex they’re not straight this isn’t brain surgery.

Keep it masculine and mainstream. No weird stuff

I think gay guys are going for the heteroflexibles, mostly straights, or dudes who are situationally “down.”

"Keep it masculine and mainstream. No weird stuff"

Oh, Mary.

It was called craigslist.

[quote] It's a spectrum obviously. Call it the Kinsey Scale if you like, but most humans seem to land somewhere in the bisexuality realm. There are TONS of 100% straight men and women and plenty of bisexual ones as well.

You're saying there are TONS of 100% people straight and women on the bisexual scale?

It’s called “mostly straight.”

It’s called down low

OP is James Charles

[quote]Then if they are indulging in gay sex they’re not straight this isn’t brain surgery.

R65, unless you are willing to throw away human history your argument makes no sense, unless you are trying to say that Heterosexuality among males does not exist, which I guess could be another topic of discussion. Sodomizing other males has been used to disempower other males in times of conflict or rivalry throughout history.

It is not uncommon to hear that gay sex is very common in jail. Does it mean that the majority of convicts are gay or Bisexual ?? NO.

True

Wow

[quote] I find the men who are less sexually driven to be more gay in all honesty

very true. The married guys I hook up with are CONSTANTLY looking for sex. It almost gets tiresome that they don't want to even have a normal conversation. Everything is about sex

For about a decade I would only hook up with straight men. I met them everywhere, but better liquor and pot allows help guide them home. I even had a straight friend come onto me out curiosity. He had just broken up with his girlfriend and was about to move to Chicago for work. I made him kiss, as I made all the straight do. I did that because I believe, in my opinion, that one may forget sex but they can't forget a kiss. Of course some were better than others. I also found when I traveled alone for work that I met a great many sex partner at the hotel, in the bar, after 10. Sometimes it was almost like a closeted gay bar with " straight" married men hitting off with other men under the guise that they were traveling for work. I think as we become more and more comfortable with different sexual types, and women become more independent a great many more men will be bi at least.

One more thing- I was surprised at how many straight men have been molested, been in a circle jerk, or had a drunken experience in college

I have a gay friend whose fetish is bedding "straight" men while traveling for work. He always comes home with stories of how he enticed straights to go to his hotel room and how he convinced them to fuck him.

He's very cute, so that helps. He's a bottom so many straight are quite happy getting sucked by and fucking gays.

R77, you’re disgusting

I spend a lot of time in Boston for business travel. Usually in the Copley Square area. My bar of choice to pick up straight guys is the Uno on Boyleston St. The bar is very sports bar like. I get a pizza and beer. Check out the mostly straight guys left at the end of the night, and talk about the game. Maybe 70% of the time, I end up with a guy to fuck. If the Red Socks are in town, I’ll try to convince the guy to also see a game the next night.

And exactly how does the conversation progress from the game to fucking?

Do you sing that Batter Up song from A League of Their Own?

Smh

[quote]R11 There is no such thing as a straight man.

Charles James, is that you?

[quote]R18 ...He was married and had two young kids, but the minute I got my entire fist in his ass he would shoot a massive load.

Fists have no gender.

Oh my

Straight guys aren't picking up other men in bars.

There are gay guys picking up each other in straight bars though. That I WILL say.

The deluded gaus that think they're fucking str8 men are silly, they're not str8. Just closet cases.

But as long as they are conventionally masculine and mainstream, it works

After midnight :🤝

Advice

R82 I’m interested in that too. What is the timeline and lines said?

So many of them when they get drunk get a bit handsy. The funny thing is, while I get the fantasy aspect of it, in real life I've always been more wary of it. I suppose too many movies where a closet case snaps and hurts the gay guy got to me. I remember getting drunk with one guy on a work trip and we went back to his room and he had to show me his new trousers, and put them on and told me, laughingly: "Go on, feel them, they're amazing!" and I was on my knees in front of him, rubbing his thighs... it was so bizarre. I freaked out though because I knew I had to work with him for 2 weeks after that and was sure when he sobered up he'd then freak out about it, so I got up and didn't do anything. He wasn't exactly my type, but I do wish I'd noshed him off now. Because it was all alright, he was very kind to me the rest of the trip, and he kept coming to my room after work every night so we could sit on the balcony and talk over drinks.

My overthinking always stops me from following up on hot situations that present themselves to me, I'm trying to change that about myself.

R94 I always was scared they’d push the envelope and then be like “Gotcha! Faggot!”

Yes, met too R95. Were you bullied as a child? I was and I think I went into a lot of these situations waiting for the rug to be pulled out from under me, to be publicly humiliated etc.

This was a thought in the 90s and early 2000s but since Obama and especially since Trump, white straight men have almost all been radicalized in someway. I know the Queens screech “THEN HES NOT STRAIGHT!!!” but sexuality didn’t use to be so rigid and a drunken secret blowjob was just something that happened, now straight men are too mentally fragile and they’d have a lifelong nervous breakdown. The internet’s overreach and the empowered persecutory addiction of women now makes them way more scared to get outed than in the past, to them their life would be over. Don’t fuck with straight guys! They’re unstable.

Is he then straight 🤔 if he enjoyed sex with a guy... i.would say more bisexual 😎

R96 absolutely, called a fag and a girl and pussy to where I killed all my creativity and was deep in the closet by middle school. Funny enough the girls were the worst, the guys mostly left me alone. The girls would play long drawn out mind games to tease & try and out me. I hung out with the popular bitches and they were horrendous. One found a Mariah Carey CD in my car one day after school and it was the news of the day at their lunch table “EXTRA! EXTRA! HE’S A FAGGOT! Mariah Carey CD found in suspected homosexual’s car” that one lasted a week or two. PS I grew up Alabama and HATE all those fucking cunts now.

R98 who cares? A guy who’s married to or fucks women. Let’s end the straight vs bi debate and just call them “Fish Fuckers”

R99, oh my god, I totally get you. Girls were much worse. Boys generally teased me a bit but left me alone too. Sometimes, looking back on it now, I realise that they would feel bad and try and get me involved in sports with them and stuff, but I was so traumatised by years of it that I struggled to trust them. I always thought I was going to be lured somewhere and beaten up.

Reminds me of another story where a guy sitting next to me in my science class one day, murmured to me: "Hey, do you want to meet me and Adam behind the sheds after school?" and I was like: "Uh, no thanks", and didn't really understand why he would ask that, until he then muttered the immortal line: "Come on. It's just like taking a poo, but backwards."

It's funny thinking of it now, but at the time I was terrified. Of course I wouldn't go (they were both really rough guys for a start), but my only thought was that it had to be they wanted to get me there and then turn up and laugh at the faggot who had turned up wanting to get fucked. And maybe worse would happen. As an adult looking back on it, I actually feel a bit sad wondering if this guy had experience of it too and was acting out like abuse victims do, we were only fairly young at the time.

I'm glad you're out of that situation now R99. I'm sorry you had that experience 😘

lol but they are not straight guys, they are gays who just happened to be married to a woman

Many guys are extremely horny. So horny that any sex will do. They don't care who it's with as long as it's with somebody. Any sex is better than no sex at all. They just won't want you to tell after it's over.

Also, when I used to use Grindr, I got my share of messages from guys I had no physical attraction to whatsoever. They were old, ugly, and/or out of shape. But sometimes I still talked to them anyway because it made me feel good about myself that someone was attracted to me and actually thought I was worthy of desire. So I wonder if some straight guys do a similar thing with gay/bisexual men.

Marines don't kiss.

The bottom, they'll swallow, but they won't kiss

I'm pretty sure they do, R103. I've met a number of very flirtatious straight guys who you know have no intention of doing anything, but they love to be desired and probably love to make others feel good too.

Also, it's not news is it that many guys fool around with other guys when young and then go on to live solely heterosexual lives is it? I don't think they can all be closeted. Our relationship with sexuality is, in my perspective, beyond the labels we put on it. I mean, other cultures believe that men having sex with men is only gay for the bottom, not the top. Why are they wrong, but we're right? We all think we're the ones who have a handle on it, but it's a primary human need that is stronger than that, I think. I mean, look at what happens in single sex environments with straight people for a start.

Also, R103 and R105, I think that with such so-to-speak straight guys, the sex with other men is more a shoulder-to-shoulder male comradery, physical release, almost athletic sports activity-type thing, some male situational rite of passage activity they're curious about and up to trying--at least once, and possibly again in more clandestine circumstances thereafter.

[quote] the empowered persecutory addiction of women

What a lovely way to put it.

^Eloquent, even.

R107

When I was traveling for work it was all married men who sucked my dick.

They don't care how some queen on datalounge defines them and neither do I. Some gave great head.

These men who hook up with men and claim to be straight or bi are just living in denial. Look at the most notoriously promiscuous Freddie Mercury who was screwing around on his girlfriend and telling her and everyone else he was bi. A far more astute woman than other frau, she told him point blank he was gay but she admitted it wasn't until 10 years AFTER their breakup that he didn't contradict her but still wouldn't say "gay". NEVER underestimate the power of denial.

Again, R110 They do not give a fuck how you define them. You are as meaningless to them as a grain of sand on the beach.

R111 - given that I have sub-zero interest in anyone other than nelly and older bottoms I am fine with that. However, the point I was making was not about my definition of them but about the definition of their female lovers who, if truly intelligent human beings without ulterior motives, will see through it. I have the utmost respect for any human being, male or female, who is able to face the truth head on.

Their truth is not your truth.

I've had some really interesting open discussions with straight men before who admit that they find dick really fascinating/arousing. They just don't particularly find men attractive. We're wonderfully varied as a species. I love it.

I have met so many "i'm straight' guys who love letting me suck their dicks and vice versa!

That's interesting, R114, because as a gay man (a thoroughbred, no less) that's exactly how I feel about pussy vs. women--more and more so as I've gotten older.

People get so afraid when the "rules" they live by aren't followed by everyone else, but it isn't really that deep; sexuality just isn't immutable, at least for some people. And that's okay. And it would be even better if more people--gay, straight, and in-between--could acknowledge that.

Just a housekeeping question: How does all this hooking up with straight men in bars and fucking them in hotel rooms work out physically? What if the straight guy wasn't necessarily expecting to get some homosex that night? How is he suddenly prepared and ready to take a dick up his ass. All these accounts sound like porn scenes where the hours of douching and prep happen off-screen, and there's never any mess, and always clean sheets. How can you assume the state of a random "straight" guys butthole if, since you don't think he's gay, he's probably not spent the early evening hosing out before leaving home? Are you all just skipping over the dirty hole encounters to spare us?

I'm with you 100%, R116. I imagine so much of that fear really boils down to them wanting to control others because if others live a life different to them, it reminds them that they too could've made choices outside the rules they invented and decided to be a slave to, and that's hard for them to deal with.

Why do so many have to start an argument as if they are personally insulted that someone used a men's self-identified sexuality title. They call themselves straight, we on't have to believe it, but for the sake of the story there we are. I feel like this sociology debate always derails from the other interesting information, such as how the hell does this work? Instead we have the same tired debates when we could be sharing tips for the sluts in this room ready to play after the world get's its vaccinations.

Straight guys don't have sex with other men. That's what makes them straight. Anybody who thinks "straight" guys fuck guys is truly retarded.

Re: tips R119, I've honestly never really done anything to make it happen. Believe me, the guys will come to you. Alcohol is generally involved, and they'll show quite a bit of interest in your sex life, in a would-be nonchalant sort of way and in the form of off-hand jokes that they keep bringing up. It's always taken me by surprise because I bend over backwards to show that I'm not a lecherous person, to not do anything that would be considered flirtatious in any way. Perhaps my aloofness works? I really don't know. I'd hate to come across as predatory.

Ok r120, but that's what they call themselves. Why must we get stuck on semantics? They may believe they are straight, we aren't the ones you need to convince so why do we have to have this argument in every fucking thread on a similar topic?

[quote]r13 It's a spectrum obviously. Call it the Kinsey Scale if you like, but most humans seem to land somewhere in the bisexuality realm.

Where do you fall on it? I mean, what percentage of your sexual encounters are with women?

Why are people so desperate to decide for others what their sexuality is? It's for each individual person to say. Or not, if they don't wish to. And people forget the way we describe sexuality today is very recent. And there is also situational sexuality too. This "you're this", "you're that" type attitude does more harm to people than good.

R111, You seem awfully defensive, almost pathetic actually. And, yes these "straight" men do care otherwise they wouldn't be sneaking around behind their wives back and having complete meltdowns over even being considered as a bit gay or queer.

Too often with straight guys I feel like I’m being toyed with—like the questions are morbid curiosity and not coming from a good place. I always think they’ll be using when I told them to laugh at me with others later. I also think some just get off one attention like girls who are big dick teasers but pretend they aren’t—and act like all guys are pervs for looking at them or making w move. Too many games.

*on.

People are complex - they aren’t widgets or mathematical equations. Not everyone can be summed up neatly. That’s not real life.

127 I remember one guy like that at Uni, kept smirking at me and saying: "You like me, don't you?" and "You think about me, don't you?" and finally I said, "You're really not my type". Well! The look on his face, and then following me around for the rest of the night: "What's wrong with me? Why don't you find me attractive?"

We also went camping as a group of friends once and he climbed on top of me at night and held me down and made wanking noises with his mouth. He was so desperate to get me to respond positively to him, and I just knew it was because he wanted the power to then turn me down.

Sorry, that was for R127, at R129.

Also, you're absolutely right, R128.

I've known several such guys. There are two facets to it (1) They have exceptional self confidence (2) they recognise no sexual or social borders. I remember riding with one of them, a young kid who'd grown up in the desert. A handsome guy was walking along the sidewalk with his girlfriend. The kid lets out a huge wolfwhistle. The girl turns round, and the kid shouts back: "Not YOU, stupid: your boyfriend!" They just really go for it!!!

[quote]R124 This "you're this", "you're that" type attitude does more harm to people than good.

That will make the [italic]”This is a GAY WEBSITE!” [/italic] poster’s head explode.

r129 I had a guy like that at work. He was the hottest guy on the floor and I remember the look all the girls made when the manager showed him around on his first day. He turned out to be a really nice guy that was comfortable with his gay coworkers. He'd always encourage me saying that I'm a really attractive guy, but not in a flirtatious way, just really nice. Of course I'd return the favor because he was genuinely hot as fire. Then I heard that he used to tell the only other out gay guy the same thing and he was a male slut his first year on the job. Slept with 5 coworkers on our floor alone and shared details during out one-on-one random night caps.

Just one big ball of sexual energy that loved to have his ego stroked from guys and girls. Though I never got the sense that he fooled around with guys. Still a fun and slightly confusing work relationship. Best night was when we verbally compared out dick sizes over a beer. I beat his by an inch which sort of pissed him off, but sadly not enough to ask me to show it.

The only people who care about stringent sexuality labels are 100% femme gays who hate masculine men who can pass as straight therefore reaping the benefits & pleasure of gay sex without the societal implications and Fraus who use their pussy to control men & want to weed out the non-compliants.

R116, Liking female genitalia means you are attracted to women, people aren't pieces of Lego. And sexuality isn't rocket science either. 🙄 What exactly is better for the world that we need to acknowledge your obscure sexuality? Lol You're not oppressed nor do you face discrimination for liking women. You're bisexual, and apparently a slob to boot. There's nothing interesting about that.

R124, Are you really that dense? You're just encouraging people to stay in the closet (which is actually harmful) with all this anti label bs. Great job promoting homophobia and the fear of labels.

R128, Lol Um, it really isn't that complicated. You're either gay/straight or bi. Perhaps sexuality it too difficult to grasp for the mentally immature. However most people know what they like.

Because only a man knows what a man likes . . .

R132, The only thing exploding here is the level of retardation on display. Did you really think that was a "gotcha" ?? Lol Smh

For many people, knowing what they like in terms of sexual partners can change over time, R137.

Right, R137, like why are they so desperate to make things sound more complicated than it actually is? As if their sexuality is so deep and spiritual and out of this world it can't possibly be summed up to a label. Do they really think they're special or something? 😂

Not that this will sink the the 249th time something like this is posted, but....

When I was younger it was well known among my friends that the easiest way to pull in a hotter level of guys on Craigslist and the apps was to say you were straight and either married or with a serious girlfriend (that call often depended on your age. Pulling off a wife at age 23 was tougher than "serious girlfriend")

I even knew guys who had fake wedding rings for the occasion.

I was under no illusion that most of the other "straight" guys I hooked up with were just as gay as I was, and that the rest were just closet cases. Still, for a whole variety of reason, most of which DLers can easily figure out, the hottest guys usually did play this game.

[bold] Bottom Line: They "straight" guys you are picking up are not straight. No matter how many kids and wives they have.

I don't know how objective I can be with answering, because my experience has always been one where I had way more success in places that were not gay spaces. I think I hooked up twice at a gay bar, but as a twentysomething gayling, I always got lucky in places where straight men were.

I also liked older men, which was probably in my favor, too.

I'm probably talking about a different vibe than OP is, maybe. I don't think it's so much guys lying about their sexuality or playing a role, these guys were all pretty confident, mellow, secure in their identity in ways that I find very appealing. They were married men or guys that loved pleasure and bent slightly in the methods to attain it!

But I would add that this kind of flexible approach is more commonly found in a sort of small town/smaller area. I've posted here about my years working for a college, and I can't even count how many "straight" men I hooked up with there. Same with the smallish town where I worked at a theater. (Middle aged, married actors + a little flattery = scorchingly hot sex, a formula that never goes wrong)

"Small town" = all the more reason to believe they were closet cases.

Wow, R135, you sure managed to read an awful lot into my post--where exactly did I ever say I was oppressed? And now apparently you've decided I must be labeled bisexual (ironically proving the point I was making), simply because I expressed a curiosity about pussy even though I've never had sex with a woman. Oh, and I'm a slob to boot! Gotcha.

It's probably just the one fattie here who thinks he can get straight dick by putting on a nicer bib.

R145, There's nothing there to read into, it's all relative to what you already said.

I understood your point, R145. There are just some really scared people out who worry what it would mean for their view of life if they can't decide for everyone else exactly what they are and put everyone into boxes. And the rubbish about a more open view of sexuality keeping people in the closet - that makes not sense. It's instead allowing people to be exactly who they are. Ironically, they are the ones hurting people.

^makes NO sense.

If OP's friend is telling the truth, then we'd all be going to straight bars to pick up straight cock. But sadly, the friend is exagerrating or picking up clost cases.

R141, because they're dull and they know it. Anti-labelist are even bigger narcissistic bores than their comparative label-horse obsessives. Ultimately, they're one in the same – out of touch with reality.

It's often the gay people who feel a need to rate, define, compartmentalize and LABEL everything to DEATH.

It's understandable (protective reflexes from earlier days) but it's tiresome.

That's what I think too, R152. I get it, for the reasons you say, but things are different nowadays. In a way perhaps it ties in to a general "kids these days" type griping.

A lot of self hate, I see. It's obvious that gay men despise each other and love straight guys, but straight guys don't fuck or get fucked by other men, only pathetic closet cases and gays do that. No wonder there are so many misogynistic views on the DL. You envy women. Pathetic.

Have you noticed how in response to open and honest statements people are making about their own complex sexuality and that of those they know, the only response the rigid-minded "everything has to be this way" posters have is to name call? "Misogynist", "self hatred", "fat slob" etc. That pretty much says it all about whether we should be taking their views on life seriously. When you've invoked logical fallacy and resorted to personal attacks based on nothing you've lost the argument.

R145, Didn't you agree to R114, who claims straight men get aroused by dick? You said you had the same response to women but claim to be a gold star gay?? LOL GTFOH. Don't be obtuse. You are bi then.

Hmmm, the percentage of gay porn that is about straight men being seduced (e.g., the entire Men.com catalog) or about "straight" men having gay sex for the first time (CorbinFisher, SeanCody et al) should be a clue...

r155 DL translator: blah blah blah big words, but I am a fantasist and you are ruining the illusion.

r157 A clue about the fantasies of gay men, not reality. Like straight porn reflects the fantasies of straight men, but this is not the reality.

R155, Honey, there's nothing captivating about you or your "complex sexuality"

That was what I meant R159... and why so many gay men are willing to deny reality in order to believe that the guys they're with are straight.

(Sort of like believing an election was stolen, only different)

r161 Agreed. Thanks for the clarification.

R155 It's not worth wasting time or effort on explaining.

I'm having too much fun with people w/complex sexualities to worry about some hissing prisspot claiming everyone in the world MUST be gay.

but it isn't really that deep; sexuality just isn't immutable

Don't see how this play into conversion therapy for gay men? Dude, do you want to enroll in fucking conversion therapy and be an ex-gay? Fluid people and homophobic people are both trying to approach gay men, like being gay is a deficit and they NEED to fuck a pussy to be well-adjusted. This is a power play and attack on gay men.

Tonights Top Story. Wife's discovery of husband's secret gay sex life ends in murder-suicide.

Most people are secretly bi. Case closed.

r166 Fallacy. Most people is straight, some are gays and others bi. Maybe you fancy women, but it's not the case for most people on the DL.

r167 except is has been showing throughout history and even today that when men are left along without women, many will seek other men for sexual release and companionship. I think the majority are situationally slightly bi. Look at prisons and conservative Muslim countries. Now, due to Mother Nature, must men will seek pussy. That doesn't mean under certain conditions that many men would follow the "tight hole is a tight hole" rule. Humans are too advanced to just be black and white victims of society's binary boxes.

So, R164 , you have no problem informing a complete stranger that the feelings of curiosity about his sexuality, which he confessed developing in the last few years to an online discussion board, are wrong and shouldn't be expressed because they run counter to your definition of sexuality?

And I'M the one playing into the hands of conversion therapists??

R169, LOL My God you're so desperate to be a victim. Nobody cares if you're a latent bisexual. Get over yourself.

You seem to care an awful lot, R170. Call me whatever the fuck you want--I'm nearly 51 years old, have had sex with a LOT of men but not a single woman, and have no real desire to; I just find female genitalia somewhat intriguing these days. You've decided that makes me a "latent bisexual" and an ally of conversion therapists. Okay then. But maybe you should pause and consider why you find my passing comment on a gay DISCUSSION board so threatening before you reply again....

WWs for R168, R169, R171. You're not alone 😘

Bedding straight guys? Why would a lady submit to anything else? If he is gay, proficient skills are a must.

"Straight" means bi in these cases. I'm gay, but I prefer men who don't act like a god damned woman.

Gay men like to get fucked but straight men *love* to get fucked.

In my experience, they're looking for things they rarely get at home:

1) a great blowjob

2) a finger up their ass

3) a dick up their ass

They may well not be interested in blowing or fucking another guy, but playing with their pole and hole works just fine.

[quote] Gay men like to get fucked but closet cases *love* to get fucked.

FIFY.

R175 has a point

Straight guys don't fancy sex with men. Stop it. Just bi or closeted gays. Straight women don't fancy sex with women.

Straight people aren't bi, gays aren't bi, only bisexuals are bi.

I pick up straight guys all the time. The key is to be masculine and be able to discuss guy things like sports, cars, and politics. If there's anything more than a curious straight hates its flaming femme guys. You basically need to make them see you as one of them. And then it's back to my place where they waste no time exploring my Ber-dude-a triangle.

R175, this is my experience too. I've found what they are looking for is someone to make them feel desirable in a way their wives/girlfriends don't. A gay man will suck them off with nothing but joy and desire, will swallow, will play with their butts... will basically worship their bodies and make them feel like the gods they want to feel like. Everyone wants to feel desired. I was quite surprised when I found out how many of these wives and girlfriends apparently just "go through the motions" in bed. It makes the guys feel like shit, like the women don't want to be there.

But unfortunately in some guys there's still this idea that a woman like that is "good wife material". Some of them say: "Oh I'd never date her, she's too slutty", and then they end up with a boring woman instead.

r180 we also forget to mention the naughty factor. Doing something that society tells you is bad or sinful is a powerful aphrodisiac. Add the lack of drama from 90% of gays willing to service them and you have the perfect dirty little secrete.

I'd also note that most men are probably at least a bit bi-leaning straight. Pay close attention to men before they get locked away into the cages of marriage and fatherhood. They act like pack animals with a defined leader. They idolize and appreciate alpha types. Also, check out your local gym, same situation. A tall guy with a good body and handsome face will generally receive a kinder reaction from other guys and girls. It's how we are wired. That same instinct that makes straight men gravitate towards the genetically gifted is the same emotional track that give space to unrealized bisexual tendencies.

Like water in a crevice, there are those little openings that lead me to believe that most men have some draw (large or very very small) to either cock, domination, dominating another male, or an emotional attraction to guys. Nature will never allow that to be a dominate desire but I believe it exists. If COVID suddenly killed off the world's female population, I have no doubt that it would take less than two years for a very large segment of the male population to team up into same-sex relationships.

Great post R181, I agree!

Bump

OP- What constitutes a GOD?

r14 just accurately described 97% of people everywhere.

I have a category I place some straight men: “Gay when drunk”

R14 is so far back

[quote] No wonder there are so many misogynistic views on the DL. You envy women.

Think again.

That’s true

Tinder Pig woman pretty much sums up this thread. And in the convos with her suitors she let them know she wanted to do scat with them and they were still into her lol.

If a man is drinking in a bar at midnight he's looking for something.

I’m planning on sucking my str8 neighbors feet, cock and asshole this weekend. If I’m lucky he’ll piss in my mouth too! Love his champagne!

If they willingly fuck another man for free, how are they straight by definition? Kinsey 1s exist but that's not a straight man.

I don’t get the gay obsession with bedding “straight” men

I’m a masculine, alpha bisexual guy and I only hook up with straight or bisexual guys

It’s more of a sexual release bonding thing

I have relationships with women and won’t even kiss a dude but if I’m hanging with my bro’s and am horny can and have hooked up with my buddies

I was Googling how common it was and this website came up

R195 You’re so masc with the no kissing rule, bro.

Common, R195?

Dead common.

Um, less navel-gazing and more stories please!

I just love the bonding between MEN, to me it’s an extension of masculinity and male friendships

It’s a release in a lot of ways

I don’t like anything feminine, in terms of men, because of that it’s cool because I don’t find 99% of gay men attractive, femininity in men is a dick wilter

Men should be strong and dominate and work out and have a deep voice and be ready to fight when the opportunity comes up

R199 You’re masc leaning straight then. Oh and welcome to the DL..pun intended.

r195, what do you think of a guys nice tight manhole? What do you think about a nice hard big dick?

Well played R195/R199

Excellent troll.

And this is how gays get murdered or beaten up. Sexual harassment isn't a joke.

Darlin, if he hangs at gay bars looking for cock, then he isn’t straight. Now if you told me he fucked you in Folsom Prison…..

OP Lacks morals

Fans

Hot mouth