Telling my daughter her grandparents are deplorables

Children should be seen and not heard. No one gives a fuck what they think. End of thread.

I guess it depends just how deplorable they are, but as much as I hate Republicans, I'd still allow my child some contact with their grandparents. Surely they have something else to talk about than politics, especially with a 6yr old.

Wow, you daughter is dating a man who smokes?

- My daughter's boyfriend smokes tobacco

[quote]How can I convince her to respect herself and leave him?

R3 Take your yourself and your slanderous implications out of my thread.

My mother was a narcissistic, borderline horror. She abuse me and my brother from my earliest memories. I told both my kids what a mess she was.

While I don't have children, all other members of my family are Trumptards. I made a deal with them early on - if they wanted to have me around, or be a part of their lives, then there would be absolutely NO discussion of politics (religion is also included for other reasons).

Make the same deal with your parents, OP, and enforce it. If they can't keep their politics out of any discussion in front of their granddaughter, then tell them they can have a relationship with their granddaughter in writing.

Put the burden on THEM to keep their mouths shut. By the same token, you can't bring up your political beliefs when you are with them and your daughter.

We don’t care about your breeder problems.

Your daughter asked me to tell you, OP, that even though she's only six, she already finds you tedious.

Grammy and Grandpa are not nice people, and they only like people who are bad. They will make you feel bad. The President of our country is a bad and scary man. But I am here to make sure you are okay and safe.

Is this a frau thread?

Does anyone have a nice bundt cake recipe?

What your question actually tells all of us is that you yourself do not have a well-considered reason for not having your parents in your life.

If you had a reason beyond sound bites, identity politics, and/or purity tests, you'd be able to sit down and explain to your daughter what is truly wrong with the current right wing orthodoxy.

You would be able to say:

- Honey, your grandparents don't believe the same things I believe.

- I believe that people should be judged based on what they do, not what color their skin is or who they want to love and marry.

- I your grandparents think that it's okay to be mean to people because they have different color skin or hair or want to marry a man instead of a woman.

The fact that you don't know what's wrong with being a deplorable means that you probably are one, but just happen to be gay, so are more about identity politics than actual well-considered policy.

OP - do they treat you and your daughter well - and you are just hung up on their voting record? Every child who is lucky enough to have grandparents have a right to see them and vice versa. Perhaps your parents aren't the deplorables in this conversation....

R12 don't try and reason with a psychopath.

The problem I have with my Deplorable relatives is that they can’t shut up about it. My brother, for example, recently referred to “the haters”, meaning Liberals. So I wonder, “hates who? Muslims? Blacks? Mexicans, immigrants, Gays, disabled? Elites?” Those, or much of those, are all hated (or feared or both) by the Right, not by the Left. A case might be made that the Left hates my brother, or other right wingers. I’d accept that. But the difference, of course, is between hating people for existing, and hating them for their actions.

So, engaging my brother means having a pointless argument over something he already ought to understand but chooses to be willfully ignorant of. Besides, the next time I see him, he’ll start up again, and he will again act surprised if I stop him and argue the point, as if we’ve never discussed it before. I’ve asked my other siblings if he has Alzheimers but can’t get any agreement on that.

So dealing with him means either being a perpetual doormat, or engaging in perpetual arguments over things that neither of us can actually change, particularly at the dinner table, and which are repugnant to me to be even discussing at all, and are not how we were raised.

My brother in law is the same, and the two men share one thing in particular in common: they want whatever benefits they can get from the government or from life in general, though they don’t actually want to work for them; and also, want to deny such benefits to other equally qualified or entitled people. They’re fucking sociopaths.

So, that is why I skipped Easter with my Deplorables and expect to continue to do so at least through current Fascist regime.

OP, just tell your folks. If they can’t agree to keep their mouths closed on the subject, they’re done, though I’d try to be forgiving of the occasional slip, if not too egregious. Also, tell them that Fox is a very bad influence on them, like you would if they were meth heads, and ask them to just stop watching it. They won’t ever recover with a daily dose of Fox, I am convinced.

OP, something tells me your mouth never shuts either. You don't have a daughter, you have a weapon you use to hurt people you don't agree with. And when she grows up she'll despise you. Which is something she and I will have in common.

But R14, weren't they equally as horrible during the Obama years? These people will always be unbearable.

Guess what her grandparents are telling her about you, OP.

My son used to like his grandma until she became addicted to Fox News and the Catholic channel. By the time she died, he was pretty glad to be rid of her.

1/10.

OP YOU ARE AS EVIL AS ANY DEPLORABLE .

[quote]While I don't have children, all other members of my family are Trumptards. I made a deal with them early on - if they wanted to have me around, or be a part of their lives, then there would be absolutely NO discussion of politics (religion is also included for other reasons).

I don't agree with this. If they cared about you, they wouldn't support a man who is reinstating policies and appointing officials who are against you. By remaining in their lives you are giving them permission to work against you and your rights. If you can't depend on family to support you and your best interests, then who else do you have?

There are other solutions to this problem, OP.

More....permanent solutions, shall we say.

It's sad that this regime has divided so many people OP I sympathize with your situation. I know it's tough but obviously your child loves them. Children see past politics. Shield her. Protect her but life is too short not to honor her wishes. They wont always be around . You can teach your child that love conquers hate through this tough time. I think it has to be one of the lessons for this difficult time in America. I wish you good luck

Just tell them they are sick and not mentally well. If you tried to make it work and the GPS start up with the abusive communication tactics that deplorables use, then you tried your best.

If they choose to continue to be in an abusive cult that promotes harassment, dishonesty and chaos then that is not safe for children.

GPS = grandparents

Life is too short to argue with deplorable scum. There’s less of them than in 2016, but some are still out there.

Only the worst of the worst are left.

Tell her they're Gromblefogues. That'll shut her up.

Hillary really was engaging in psychological projection when she made that initial comment, and this thread is living proof. OP, I hope they take your daughter away from you and give her to them just to spite you.

Only gay Republicans should be allowed to have children.

This is a troll thread.

I saw a man with a "MAGA" hat on in the airport.

I no longer get angry. I pity the stupid and laugh at them

Yes, it is, R30. OP is the anti-smoking troll.

Here's OP's thread about his daughter who is a smoker.

OP has an entire imaginary family. Two of 'em, in fact. And neighbors. And in-laws.

I adored my maternal grandparents and spent summers with them and they instilled in me many ethics of discipline and hard work but that was in the 60's. Recently mother told me how my grandfather in the 1940's in Detroit area led a neighborhood brigade to stop blacks from moving in. SO, there's that. I considered them Reagan-type Republicans but I guess in some ways they were pre-Deplorable.

In the South they would have been Slaveocrats. I had a boyfriend whose whole family were racists and they were not Republicans.

When are you going to tell your daughter it's a boy?

[quote] Here's OP's thread about his daughter who is a smoker.

We had this problem during Vietnam/Nixon years and it went away til Rush Limbaugh & Newt Gingrich hit the scene. Hillary knew what she was talking about with the vast RW cabal. They’re real. They’ve stolen 2 elections in order to stack the Supreme Court and federal benches.

That OP is entertained by creating threads like this and the one million anti-smoker threads, are why his family and partner will remain imaginary forever, R34.

No one wants this type of bullshit in their lives, real or on-line.

R35 Did your Detroit grandparents' brigade to stop blacks moving in work?

[quote] R16: But [R14], weren't they equally as horrible during the Obama years? These people will always be unbearable.

No, not really. My BIL would ask me what I thought about certain things, and I’d tell him. He asked about Hillary’s emails, and my response was “Well, it’s the Republicans’ job to come up with something, and it’s an indication of how clean she is that this is the best they can do. But they have to come up with something.” And the discussion ended there, since I really wasn’t interested in hearing what he might have thought.

Otherwise, the comments were rare. But now, they are every visit, and sometimes, frequently per visit. I think Trump has emboldened people into thinking that vulgar, abominable talk and behavior is acceptable.

Oh, my Deplorable relatives not only bring their vile opinions up unsolicited, they yell them. That’s an abusive technique meant to stifle (usually indefensible) discussion. And I hate yelling, especially at people in their own homes. I assume their understanding that I’m liberal it’s what sets them off. My very presence. So, I don’t actually have to say anything to get them started.

My mother’s entire extended family has cut me out because I’m a democrat. I remember a time when nobody discussed politics at parties or family holiday gatherings. It was all about catching up with each other and their lives. Who’s moving to FL, who’s going to college, who’s starting a new job, who’s having a baby, who’s buying a house.......never politics. I used to have so much fun with them. We’d laugh, tell jokes, try to make each other laugh. Then it became all political.

I wish I could find another fun family to be part of.

R41 ironically no, and the area they moved to in Cleveland Heights is now total ghetto ghetto and the are in Shaker Heights that they lived in is not ghetto but almost all black.

Leftists are the ones constantly injecting Trump into heretofore apolitical discussions.

Not in my family, R46.

But DataLounge “threads” are family discussions, so it’s not even relevant.

OP = Vanessa Trump

Tell her on Facebook so tons of people can see it. You are a total attention whore I assume.

R34 if you've got to have a family, imaginary is the best kind.

OP you are a horrible horrible person. I hope you get pancreatic cancer and you die. I hope that brat fucking child of yours has to go live with the grandparents molest the kid and subject it to satanic rituals.

Thanks nice, R51.

Seriously, OP, IA to just tell her that her grandparents are not nice people and that what they want in life is bad for everyone and the country and leave it at that. Keep her away from them as you would from any bad people.

Wow, total psycho at R51.

I wouldn’t go as far as R53. Perhaps they will learn something, and change.

The thing that is important to me is this: assuming Trump loses his mind or defects to Russia or otherwise clearly betrays the country in a way that 95%+ people recognize, I will ask my Deplorable relatives to identify who it was that told them that the man was qualified and a patriot? When we get to the fact that it was Fox, Hannity, Ingram, Limbaugh, and so forth, I will stress that as long as they continue to watch this people, they haven’t learned anything. They continue to trust the people who lied to them, who were incompetent, who advocated for a man uniquely unqualified for the Presidency and who was a traitor - something most of us knew before he was elected. I’d tell them it’s a cult, and as long as they remain in the cult, nothing is going to change.

Why do liberals hate people?

OP, you're dreaming. Your relatives are never going to change or see the truth about Trump. There is nothing he can do that will turn his supporters against him, NOTHING! If trump murdered your child in front of them they would still believe he is the best thing to happen to them.

Trump's base has been brainwashed. They are part of a cult and a cult so ingrained in them that even deprogramming wouldn't work. These people have to be out of your life forever. They will not change and they will just spread their poison to a young impressionable mind.

R56, I still have hope. Trump is a lunatic. He may well completely crack up in public in that embarrassing way that causes people to discreetly slink ought of the room. Perhaps Putin will expose him with a release of emails and recordings. We shall see. But remain hopeful.

Some will stick with him, but maybe just 20%. Think of Nixon. He opened-up Russia and China and played them against each other. He had considerable accomplishments in domestic affairs, too. Trump has a poorly received tax cut. That’s really it. He may well have a sizable recession a year from now, too. So, let’s see!

R55 have you met people? Oy gewalt!

The entirety of Fox News sponsors need to be boycotted and James And Laughlin Murdoch should be buried in SNAIL MAIL, not electronic petitions, calling them out for destroying American families. Bury their offices in millions of tangible pieces of mail