91st Academy Awards Thread - Part 7

So unfair to Glenn. The Oscars are too political.

Working into the 7th thread is pretty decent. Will be interesting to see if the same interest is reflected in the TV ratings tomorrow.

Hah! HAHAHAHAHA! Not only did this closet case, drug addled, baggy eyed mess fall of the stage, he broke his Oscar too. Don't fuck with Freddie, Rami! Look what you did.

He did seem drunk or high on something...

Why do so few people actually prepare speeches that a) are good and b) fit the allotted time? We all know you get drowned out by music if you ramble so why not goddamn prepare for it?

He was drunk on heterosexual love

#OscarsSoIrrelevant

Anybody want to take a guess at the TV rating? Least watched ever?

I think it's going to be even worse than last year's and last year's was the least watched ever.

Since Bradley isn't a professional singer, why didn't he wear an ear monitor so he could stay in tune?

R5, because they don’t think he will win.

I still cannot believe the way they pandered tonight. This was the Academy Awards for goodness sake yet it looked like a rigged low-rent version of a BET awards show. The presenters were comprised of no-name or long forgotten black actors, black musicians, black athletes (why was Serena presenting?) and a black politician. The winners were also a joke.

It would be an understatement to say the Academy committed suicide tonight. They're officially over.

People in their 20s don't watch these shows...that is why they need some old stars, like Julia Roberts. But should they have held her too the end? No one even said she was there.

Just drop dead, racist pig. Those who won tonight should have one except for Glenn.

Where was Clooney, Kate Winslet, Sandra Bullock, Daniel Day Lewis, Cate Blanchett, Brad Pitt, Anne Hathaway, Matt Damon, Robert Downey Jr, and Hugh Jackman?

Couldn't they have been asked instead of getting Pharrell Williams and Serena to present who have never acted in a movie???

The Favourite fucking deserved that Oscar, best film of the year for me and I'm mexican. Green Book is more pandering bullshit that no one has time for, Oscar films are becoming more and more culturally marginal and they choose that POS. Fuck them.

Olivia's win was worth it just to see Yorgos Lanthimos shed some tears and kneeling in front of her, such a heart-warming moment. You can see he fell in love with his cast despite appearing so aloof in general.

However woefully pathetic the irrelevant Oscar ceremony was, they redeemed themselves slightly by mentioning the largely unknown in the US Swiss actor Bruno Ganz in the In Memoriam.

Can any american please enlighten me on why Maya Rudolph, Amy Poehler and Tina Fey are such a fixture at awards shows? Tehy're boring af.

I have no idea why they invited Serena? Maybe she is looking to mAke films...but she should not.

How on earth is a win for Colman "political?"

Pharrell Williams is a recent nominee who had major success when he performed "Happy" at the Oscars a few years ago.

People saying he had no right to be there are jackasses.

R18 They get presenters who have nothing better to do than to show up three to four hours before the live broadcast plus endure another hour, two or more until they're "on".

I do feel they did a decent job in the Memoriam part this year. I liked that they showed a very fair blend of behind the camera people along with actors. Some got a "double shot", and it was nice to see Tab Hunter and Penny Marshall get that treatment. I am sure they missed some important people, but they did mention that in the opening to the segment. There was one very notable miss, but thanks to being fucking old I can't recall who.

R14 you seem to have anger issues and difficulty comprehending the fact we all are entitled to post our observations of the awards ceremony.

Take heart for I won't be watching next year because tonight proved to me the Academy is more interested in pandering to the incessantly squeaky wheel than they are to awarding presenting slots and nominations to those who are truly deserving of the honor. #RIPOscar.

They are admitting me to the ER momentarily. I’m sure I will be OK... but, please pray for me just in case.

What a pile of dogshit that reeked of anti-while bias, and pandered to females throughout. No doubt, this will have the worst ratings ever. If women are so wise and powerful why do they need incessantly to be told how strong they are. Fucking sick of this crap.

Plenty of white people won tonight. What're you talking about?

Just drop dead, racist jerk at r26. You are an ignorant liar.

R12 last year Get Out won for best Screenplay. Though it wasn’t a bad movie, it was mediocre at BEST. The Oscars have been pandering for awhile.

My only disappointment is the actress who played Shuri in Blank Panther wasn’t nominated for best supporting actress.

I don't really care that blacks are pandered to and awarded at these show more then they deserve. It's the endless pathetic begging for approval by women that makes me sick. If you're so equal then shut the fuck up.

It's sickening how much society has regressed lately. The board has been all "A man wore a dress, that's disgusting" and "There are too many black people on TV."

It's insane that so many have fallen back to 1962. How the hell did we get here?

Yes R29, but you have to admit tonight was intentional on the Academy's part. They catered to one specific group throughout the entire awards ceremony. I can't wait to see the ratings for this shitfest.

For the record, 37 out of the 49 winners were white, which makes up 75% of the victors, so for those complaining about race you're still safely in the majority.

Of the minority winners, only 7 were Black, 3 were Asian, 1 was Mexican, and 1 Iranian.

The uproar in response to this is mind boggling.

So very sick of dumb ass DL racists that have absolutely no idea whatsover how stupid they look.

R34, tonight's broadcast was an exercise in pandering. If you can't see that, well, such is life.

R35, brush up on your grammar, dear. If you're going to accuse someone at least use proper syntax.

Is it all really old racist people on DL? There was no pandering. The black people who won deserved to win. You can’t really argue that the costumes and set design were undeserved for Black Panther. And Regina King and Ali have been the front runners and favorites to win since their films came out. The only thing that maybe shouldn’t have won was Greenbook and of course Olivia Colman.

One could argue that the strongest bit of pandering was that full blown Queen opening, and that was full of white people.

Incel alert at r26. Incel, we have your IP address. We have reported you to the authorities.

Why? For existing.

[quote]There was no pandering. The black people who won deserved to win.

Subjective opinion. One can equally opine that the black people who won were pandered to.

Someone on the last thread (perhaps the last to the last?) said the stage reminded them of Trump's hair. Well...

Who was the woman who came dressed as the Milky Way galaxy?

One could opine just that R41 but the one that does is signalling in irrefutable terms their conviction that black people are undeserving and any focus they get can only be due to unfair attention. Such opinions produce all the effects of racism, because they are racist , you and your fellows here of the same stripe may as well declare your hatred for black people as a time saving preface if you ever feel the need to opine again.

I think the racist are young people, extremely ignorant young people, or Russians.

There are very few young people who come here and fewer still who have any interest in the Oscars R45 and even fewer than that who would use the word 'opine' as R41 does, I think we're looking at racists well up in years.

R44, I'm not R41 but if you could possibly present your point without using someone else's thought process and canned talking points that would be greatly appreciated.

As for your point of "unfair attention" if you don't think Serena Williams, Congressman Lewis, and every D-List black actor was not pandering to a certain group then I don't know what to tell you. They didn't belong at the Academy Awards and they cheapened the ceremony and tarnished the brand. I would say the same if the Academy was trying to appease any other group by bringing in no-name actors, athletes, and politicians to present for the most prestigious award ceremony in the business.

Most older people have learned about race problems by living through the 60s, most are not completely ignorant. Most of us know who the bad guys were and they were all fucking white.

They don't belong there according to you, a history of 'white's only' attitudes is coming to an end, black people are getting a share of attention and you don't like it. I remember Bob Hope having military figures on his Oscar telecasts with no fuss about non actors. The imbalance between a black persons' potential for success in America and their white counterparts is still very much in evidence, something like the Oscars' trying to give visibilty to black people is not to the detriment of others, white people being threatened by black people being given a share of the spotlight is ugly.

R49 for R47

How sad does your reality have to be when you're bitching about the fucking presenters? These people just want something to bitch about.

R46, we've frequently had trolls on DL who go into that ridiculous high-tone writing style people put on when they feel insecure and want to give themselves an air of superiority. They think they come across as intellectual, and if someone is [italics] intellectually [/italics] racist, then surely that means racism is just good thinking.

I've seen a lot of that tonight, including a couple who curiously disappeared when teased for their posts, only to have others who sound just like them take their place.

They know what they are bitching about R51, they think the blacks are getting unfair advantages, they hate anything that smacks of affirmative action, with those lazy good for nothings getting a leg up over decent hard working white people.

It's "italic," I guess. Should have stuck with the tried-and-true ALL CAPS for emphasis.

How is Rami Malek playing Freddie Mercury NOT cultural appropriation? Mercury was born of Indian parents, while Malek is Egyptian? Where's the outrage?

Not that I give a shit, but it would be nice for the SJWs to at least be consistent.

I guess if Mickey Rooney were still alive, Hollywood would have given him a shot at the role.

Well, I for one , loved the whole show except for the the fools that won the 2nd or 3rd Oscar, the three that kept passing around the thank you list.

You should be on Twitter r55, because a lot of people pointed that out. Also that Freddie was bi but portrayed as gay, and Rami kept calling him gay in his acceptance speeches.

R51, how many times does it have to be explained? The Academy Awards used to have major stars presenting awards. It used to be a big deal and it's what people tuned in to see. For you to tell me I just want something to bitch about is so beyond the pale (no pun intended because you assholes have no sense of humor) it's absurd.

No one and I mean NO ONE tunes into the Academy Awards to see a bunch of nobodies. And that's what we saw tonight - a bunch of nobodies with a few athletes, a politician and a musician who's pushing 50 but still feels the need to dress in shorts for formal functions. What an embarrassment.

Hi wanted to be perceived as straight R57 by the public, had a girlfriend who , when he said he was 'bi,' corrected him by saying 'no , you're gay', he was a pretty fucked up closet case but ultimately a gay man. Perhaps if he'd lived he would have become a queen mother figure like Elton John, another formerly tortured gay soul who trod the bi route ( even marrying an available random woman ) before becoming supergay of the world.

Perhaps the show is not for you anymore R58 Greer Garson is dead and black people are allowed out in public these days, I'm exaggerating slightly, which I'm sure your keen sense of humour will appreciate, but you get the point, you think you are the exasperated voice of common sense but you merely sound like someone angry at the passage of time and certain people not knowing their place.

I was surprised more movie stars weren’t in attendance, like any. Were they not invited?

R60 you sound so white and foolish.

[quote]you merely sound like someone angry at the passage of time

That could describe the majority of the bitching tonight. They wanted those featured in the In Memoriam to be presenters.

Like where were Tom and Rita Hanks? They have a black grandbaby, that should’ve secured them tickets.

This is why gestures of tokenism are meaningless and end up doing more harm than good in the long run.

I'll tell you one thing R60, John Lewis's place is not presenting at the Academy Awards. Neither were half of the D-List actors trod out there solely based on the color of their skin.

You're making it about race and I keep telling you (and others) it is supposed to be about entertainment. I could go to dinner theater and see half of those actors who appeared on stage tonight. What's so hard to understand they're not A-List Oscar material? If they had Denzel or Halle or any other number of former Black Oscar winners that would have been great but they intentionally filled the bill with any warm black body they could find and it cheapened the awards ceremony.

R62 is confused but that seems to be par for the course in this thread.

I am surprised how many people are devastated that Viggo lost. Parody of Mercury won, lol

How awful for you R64 you may have had to look at yet another black face...oh the humanity! R65 No they just annoy people like you who would rather things stayed the same with white people having the upper hand, what a shame old boys like you are not running the show anymore.

Here in the UK there's quite a bit of delight going on at Olivia Colman's surprise win. The Academy Awards are getting more coverage than usual over here.

R68 The Hanks are white.

Where were the black stars? No Denzel, Will Smith, Viola Davis, Haille Berry? Why so many B and C listers giving out awards?

That's a good question, R71.

R66 'Any number of former black Oscar winners' ? That number would not amount to much more than Denzel and Halle, in fact I think they are the only lead actor winners, and only a handful in support, this is in itself an example of the white/black imbalance . The Oscar show has been crap for years, I don't think this years has been worse. The Kevin Hart thing threw the still ancient regime into a panic and they have tried in their hamfisted way to make amends, however I appreciate the effort rather than bitch about it, I don't mind seeing black people get a look in, it has been a very long time coming and I'm not upset or threatened or offended by it.

I think we are being horribly myopic here. This year in film was like no other. An all black cast movie was the blockbuster of the year. A movie with three women leads and a Mexican production were arguably the best films of the year. The romantic comedy of the year had an Asian cast. A biopic about a gay/bi singer who died of AIDS, starring a minor actor was a huge smash and made more money than the expected to be huge Hollywood music remake with two huge stars.

To trot out George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Denzel Washington and Tom Hanks again would have been ridiculously tone deaf. They didn't do anything this year but coast on their celebrity.

This show, like the year in film was not about stars. It was about movies bringing together people from all walks of life. It was clumsy but that was the point of the interracial presenters. It was the point of having an athlete, a politician and a musician present awards

if anyone said Pharrell didn't deserve to be there amoung the many many that truly didn't deserve to be there are just wrong. What bothered me about him is the insulting way he dressed.

R74 They didn't do anything this year but coast on their celebrity. " And what Pharell did or Serena ? Nothing, they are black, thats why

Excellent observational skills R70, but R64 was referring, in their fevered race baiting way, to the Hanks' 'black grandbaby' as a bargaining chip to score tickets to what R64 considers a show biased towards black people.

The two things I gleamed from last night,

1. Oscars do not need a host.

2. I really dislike Lady Gaga

The winning of Rami is a amazing product of agressive campaign, anyone could explain to me why he was better then Viggo?

It was not tokenism, asshole.

R90 is correct. Tokenism is the inclusion of one. Pandering is the inclusion of many.

Isn't it great R76 that black people are now seen as valid in the same ways as white people and that even extends to triviality like being able to coast on their 'fame' in the same way white C and D listers have been your years, this in turn will promote racial acceptance in more everyday situations, which can only be a good thing, I'm sure you'll join me in in raising a glass to equality in all its forms.

Oh please, R74. People tune into the Oscars to see STARS! Just curious but how many of the presenters could you name on sight? And how many of the presenters do you still recall at this point a few hours after the broadcast? I remember Barbra, Julia, and Charlize because they're stars, damnit!

I can't believe people in this thread are trying to turn what used to be the most glamorous night of the year into a teaching experience.

Sadly you are beyond learning R83 You have a very fixed view of the world and that's it.

R82 as valid?? Ther were more black persons and latin then white last night, ridicolous

[quote] black people are now seen as valid in the same ways as white people

Black people are seen as insecure people who need validation from Whites and whinge incessantly when they don't receive it. Which has turned the Oscars into a platform for pay-back rather than talent.

And how many years was that situation in reverse R85? About 60/70/80 years worth of white supremecy at the Oscars not enough for you? You like your blacks like Hattie McDaniel, grateful,sat and the back and long dead.

We have a "star" and "glamor" in the White House. It really sucks. Let's try something else. Even if it's only a breather.

The show was really heavy handed and not really entertaining.

Why is everyone shitting on Glenn? Every actress in Hollywood of a certain age has been looked over in favor of Mary Louise, Glenn is one of them. Mary Louise makes sure to kiss appropriate asses and the public buys the bullshit she sells as acting. The Oscars are political and before Harvey Weinstein came along looking for legitimacy that Mary Louise could give him, Mary Louise's career had stalled. "Harvey Weinstein is god."

You have to kiss ass in Hollywood or just be connected, people are not chosen on their merits very often. Glenn doesn't play the game very well. Neither do other actresses who apparently expect to get by on their abilities.

Serena was there to represent motherhood and strong black women.

What glamorous star talent deserved to be recognized this year?

EVERYTHING is about RACE!!

God forbid if the ratings are good. More of the same next year.

Of course they would mention Penny Marshal and Tab Hunter . It is a major disgrace that Oscar winner Dorthy Malone was ignored twice.

I am very disapointed in DL being too kind to Glen Close. I think it is hilarous she dressed like an Oscar and lost. Anyone who loves the movies should be happy the rightful winner Olivia Colman (without the e) won..

On the other hand I thought DL has been too mean to Rami until I saw his obvious phony display of love to the actress who Freddie's beard in the movie. I hate him now. He fell off the stage and broke his Oscar ? God and Freddie is trying to tell you something.

I must admit the presenters were lacking. Someone should of said in honor of Black History month. Although I was very happy Barbra was included even though she cheered on the biggest asshole of the night Spike Lee. Okay maybe tied with Rami.

There wasn't a single winner I wasn't unhappy with. I have to say this to maybe stop the race war and I'm white...

Why are blacks only pandered 2? Theres other races out there HOLLYWOOD AS WELL!

Margot Robie Nicole Kidman and Timmy has been entertaining us with his funny outfits...

r86 I would suggest you watch Sandra Oh's acceptance speeches this awards season. She mentioned several times how important it has been to be acknowledged and seen. Also if receiving acknowledgement and being seen isn't important or is a sign of weakness, then no one white should have a problem not getting their ego stroked.

r82 promote racial acceptance in more everyday situations? Wtf are you on about? They have been saying that for years! Is it 1950's deep south? STFU already!... Oh finally people of color can come out from the shadows and live amongst us. WTF!

Sandra is a bad example her costar should be winning awards or at least nominated...

When people make fun of the Jewish cheap reaction to OscarsSoWhite and the hamfisted response, they are accused of being racists towards blacks instead of disgusted about Jews.

And Spike Lee is the black filmmakaer Hollywood gives us -- one who embodies every negative black stereotype and who looks like what a Alabama KKK Grand Dragon would envision a black director while making films whose clips always talk about Jews.

Lets see how the Jews misinterpret this post.

For those whining about diversity in Hollywood take your heads out of your asses. The idea is to draw in as many dollars as possible. Black Panther out performed at the box office. Hollywood responds to money. Hollywood is very liberal yes, but money is still dictator in La La land.

So when you see women being favored or minorities or the gay community, that is Hollywood trying to seduce more people to pay attention to it. Movies need all the eyes they can get because TV is kicking their asses. If Hollywood can appeal to more groups more groups will give movies they might have otherwise ignored a look. It's about the money. So calm down white boys.

is there a video of Rami falling? please tell me there is. I'm so glad I stopped watching his Robot show the first season. Where do I sign up for I Hate Rami club ?

No video of Rami falling has surfaced as of yet... that'd be wild if it did though!

r99 spoken like someone who knows nothing about acting. Sandra's part is way more difficult to pull off. Part like the one Jodie Comer is playing always get attention, that's a no brainer and I'd argue that it's not even her best work to date.

You like showy parts, fine. Sandra is a technician. Jodie is one too but as I said Villanelle isn't even her best work.

Pray for me, R84 for I am lost in the delusion the Oscars are supposed to be about rewarding the best in their respective fields. Please pray for me so that I will one day see the light and learn to appreciate and savor the day when Jimmy "Dy-no-mite" Walker presents Best Picture because the Academy Awards are no longer based on the content of their talent but the color of their skin.

R97 conveniently ignores that #OscarsSoWhite was initiated not by Asians, Hispanics, Jews or Pacific Islanders, none of whom had problems with "visibility".

I sensed the field was split with each best film nominee having strong and vocal fans, but it seems all of these canceled each other out to the point that it was Green Book left standing. But it really could have been any of those films.

I don't believe in prayer but I hope you can come to terms with your racism R105

I love Jennifer Hudson but I couldn't understand a word she sang, melody was great so I'm sure it's a good song but diction my dear, diction.

R108 go back to L-Chat, white lady.

r109 I thought she was terrible. Pitchy, yelling, her voice seemed off.

R98 If the situation was so great there would be fewer people like you stirring the pot and getting hot under the collar about 'the other'

Tell the Hollywood Jews everyday until they die if high blood pressure:

A month from now the only thing that anyone will remember was that Glenn lost again.

I used to watch Regina King on 227 when she was just a kid playing Marla Gibbs' daughter so it was kind of thrilling to see that kid grow up and win an Oscar. Plus she's been consistently great and a scene stealer in her adult career so her win gave me all the feels.

r83 Oscars are trying to get a younger audience so you are seeing new faces.

Too much of the complaining and bitching in these threads makes no sense. Do none of you possess critical thinking skills or do you just like hysterically reacting to whatever you see?

Think about money and Hollywood. How does Hollywood stay relevant? How do they bring in more viewers? What are the trends.

Most of you should be embarrassed.

I promise you the person claiming everyone’s is a racist in this thread, is a white lesbian woman.

What is it with black people and religion? Dont they know its been part of their 'systematic racist institution' forced upon them? But here they go worshiping the WHITE MANS GOD, they were forced to adhere to every time they win an award.

i hate people who whine about the whiners.

It wasn't diversity it was a lot of very new black actors that a minority thought were slighted for Oscars and people with no connection to movies. That silly country girl with her special needs designer would have been torn to shreads by Joan Rivers...

Crazy Rich Asians made a lot of money so maybe a few should be presenters. I finally saw that movie at best it was a decent romantic so so comedy. There was certainly nothing Crazy about it...

Ikr. I'd even rank Melissa McCarthy over her just based on the performances, and I don't even think Melissa deserved to win over other actresses.

Why black want to so EQUAL? Statically THERE ARE MORE WHITE ACTORS then black. So statically they cannot be winning as often as white. THats nobodys fault, even white

They see the trends R116 and they fucking hate them, they don't want black people promoted, but you're right there's money it it for H'wwod and the racists feelings are not paramount anymore.

r116 No they arent trying to get younger audiences. You think the majority of younger viewers care about the majority of the types of films that were nominated? Please! Have several seats! Oh yeah young people loved Roma, and they stood in line to see Melissa McCarthy's movie.... bye bitch! think u so smart. Dumb fart!

The Jews are the Cause of Black Misfortune Troll has arrived.

Sure thing, R108.

R116, I do possess critical thinking skills but I must ask you - do you possess a set of functioning eyes?

What are you going to do r124 -- ejaculate on my sister?

[quote]conveniently ignores that #OscarsSoWhite was initiated not by Asians, Hispanics, Jews or Pacific Islanders, none of whom had problems with "visibility".

It wasn't, but to say that Asians and Hispanics haven't spoken up about the Oscars' lack of inclusion is plain wrong. This year was huge for Asian visibility, even if they didn't start hashtag campaigns about it in the past. Also, a few years ago Hispanics held protests in LA about their lack of visibility. It's not just a black thing, even if they're the most vocal about it.

Not everyone here is racist R117 just you and a couple of other like minded unfortunates. You're not the oasis of sense in a 'political correctness gone mad' world, just run of the mill racists.

I'm just shocked DL has so many Glen supporters who don't love Olivia.

Look on the bright side if she is able to get an nomination and be great or no one else is great in that category she is a sure thing. Wouldn't it be fun if Meryl is in the same category and she beats her ?

It is downright shocking to see so many racist posts on a gay website. I’m embarrassed for and saddened by them.

@DEADLINE

We’re hearing from an insider that when #GreenBook was announced the winner, Spike Lee was "clearly furious." He was pacing the aisle and stormed to the back of the auditorium. When he came back, he turned his back to the stage during the speech. #Oscars

(Spike Lee -- a Jewish creation)

R128 so you’re not denying you’re a white woman?

Reese is a star she should have presented something

r130 falls back on old chestnuts while ejaculating on himself in pique.

Serena Williams and Trevor Noah #puke

Did Nicole Kidman, Rober Downer, Jr., Oprah and Meryl really need to be at another Oscars? Talk about played out.

r130 - begins drawing her posters to end racism on her college campus!

I did think the line up was over weighted to black performers, but I also saw a number of other racial and ethnic backgrounds represented. This is diversity and inclusion at work. They plainly tried to send a message and accomplish something. It's going to be awkward sometimes and heavy handed and artificial at others but people are learning so while I found it irritating and contrived sometimes I get where they were trying to go and that's not a bad thing.

That said, the thing lacked star power like I've never seen it before. Almost nobody of note or stature seemed to attend.

People don’t tune in to see stars. People tune in to celebrate the year in film and hear the speeches.

R136 Downey yes the others no

Trump reviews the Oscars in a morning tweet:

Be nice if Spike Lee could read his notes, or better yet not have to use notes at all, when doing his racist hit on your President, who has done more for African Americans (Criminal Justice Reform, Lowest Unemployment numbers in History, Tax Cuts,etc.) than almost any other Pres!

r106 I have heard Asians talk about not being seen. I have heard about Hispanics not being seen. Check out the press when "Crazy Rich Asians" came out. Or when George Lopez had a show or when "Jane The Virgin" hit the scene. Every group talks about it. Difference is those groups aren't getting shot in the streets. Those groups aren't the American poster child of everything wrong, bad, criminal, undesirable, dangerous. . .

The reason being seen is so important is because the Black community is still fighting for their humanity in a world that was taught by the white media that they are inhuman monsters. That is why being seen is important. That is why they fight for representation. Because the Black community has those in it who are the worst stereotypes of the community but there are also decent good people.

White people have been all over the globe destroying groups of people. Starting wars that lead to the raping and destruction of the most innocent. The level of greed and avarice, hatred, anger and disregard for human life well documented yet white people still enjoy that shiny golden halo as most perfect desirable, wonderful everything that is right and good. Meanwhile holding up Black faces as the destruction of everything "holy" and good.

That is why positive Black representation is important.

we should be able to bitch about black celebrities without being called racist..

I think Venus and the poltican should not have presented. Am I a racist ?

r136 DID JLO? lmao! She is coasting on her celebrity. She is borderline reality star for LOOKING AGELESS!... thats it. Oh she looks great. But no one gives a shit about her movie career, or music. At the grammys? Was she nominated. No... no new music really. lol

Trevor Novah is cancelled by BW for saying disparaging things about dark skinned women.

Not one word on Penny Marshall getting the last spot in the In Memoriam segment.

Yes J Lo didn't deserve to be there she's a no talent famewhore.

R126 Beating his microdick while he spews about Jews.

Jews

Hollywood

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

r142. Gurl bye! SJW ! -The reason being seen is so important is because the Black community is still fighting for their humanity in a world that was taught by the white media that they are inhuman monsters!! Really????? is this 1950's deep south? Stop!

Out of the best pic nominees, Green Book was my favorite but I never expected it to win. Speaking as an eldergay who used to watch Johnny Carson and Bob Hope effortlessly host the show and keep it moving, the show needs a funny host. Going with no host was just plain dumb.

Jlo is going to age over night and Hollywood will drop her like a hot potato

r142. Because the Black community has those in it who are the worst stereotypes of the community but there are also decent good people. - many of those stereotypes exist for a reason. But only black people can point them out, otherwise its... RACIST RACIST RACIST! LMao

Weak, r148, like your urine stream

I so want Chris Evans' baby batter deep inside me.

Hello, now that I'm up to speed: Very happy with the Oscars!

Yes, 4 for Bohemian Rhapsody! Yay, Rami! Best Screenplay for Spike! Best picture for Green Book.

All is well.

And Olivia Colman most certainly does not suck! Love her!

R142 seriously, get out of this thread and go listen to Annie Difranco.

R154 you want any batter in you dear. Yo bakery is dead dry!

Glenn is a class act. She was out partying after the broadcast and, despite the Oscar loss, this really was her year and it was nice seeing her finally getting some recognition. Frankly, she'll get more publicity out of losing and we won't have to listen to 'she only got it because she's old and it was a sympathy win.'

R132 Like you I'm a middle aged gay man, but unlike you I'm not racist or threatened by change.

r148 thinks because he is an OCD ejaculator, the rest of us are as well

Glenn Close shot her wad at the Golden Globes. Nobody wanted to hear her give the same speech again.

Willem Dafoe has one of those unique faces (like Kevin Bacon, Ernest Borgnine, and Steve Buscemi) that defies aging because it always looked older than its real age. It was nice to see him nominated and seeing the camera panning to him and him still looking exactly like Willem Dafoe.

I think that was G’s last shot though, maybe they will give her a lifetime achievement honorary Oscar in a few years.

r162 JLO doesnt age either... please add her to that list, since every fucking body always mentions it over and over again... Yawn!

Willem's been wonderful this season. He's such a cheerful dude and it's nice to see him get these nominations at this point in his career. I hope he's back in the future!

I’m still not over Get Out winning an Oscar last year. That movie was so corny. That’s when I knew #riposcars

R163 I think she wins maybe in supporting

Spike Lee probably thinks Green Book is similar to Driving Miss Daisy a film he is on record as hating. I think I'm the only to say Do The Right Thing isn't a great film. I think he wants Oscars more than Glen. Maybe he was mad his film didn't win..

I couldn't listen to his speech if he dissed Trump I must rewatch...

You don't have to sign up, R102, you're already here.

Get Out winning Best Original Screenplay was one of the more exciting and deserving wins in that category. Last year, in general, was way better than this year.

That drugg addict STOLE Viggos oscar

R170 it was shit

Glen does seem to be getting elderly quickly. If they are doing Sunset they better hurry...

R172 I respectfully disagree. I loved the film.

Also, is "Glen" the new "Lens" as far as misspellings go?

She already has won awards for Sunset she needs something new.

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R170 No it wasn’t, Rachel Dolezal.

Mahershala's hat was just awful.

Be nice if Spike Lee could read his notes, or better yet not have to use notes at all, when doing his racist hit on your President, who has done more for African Americans (Criminal Justice Reform, Lowest Unemployment numbers in History, Tax Cuts,etc.) than almost any other Pres!

Crazy that Olivia has an Oscar. I mean, it's awesome. I adore her, but I didn't think she'd win it.

R178 he looks pissed he’s having to stand next to a white devil.

R180 Yes so happy for her I didn't expect it either.

R181 Colman is an angel not evil at all.

Ali's hat and clothing are typical of Muslims of the Punjab and East Pakistan. So in addition to being awful, it's CULTURAL APPROPRIATION!!

The Queen's Speech. Olivia Colman, we love you 🇬🇧 #Oscars

R146, what do you mean? They gave the last spot to Finney. I know there was a thread guessing who would have the last spot did you guys settle on Penny?

A very nice photo of Olivia Colman

For me, the last superior movie to win BP was Twelve Years a Slave. This year's nominations were underwhelming.

Agnes! Agnes! There are far too many blacks on my tv!

Was Ali a Muslim when was on House of Cards?

This photo of Olivia Colman with tears in her eyes kissing her Oscar is everything.

(Photo: Frederic J Brown/AFP/Getty Images)

[quote]Was Ali a Muslim when was on House of Cards?

There's no way of knowing unless he talked about it at the time. As far as I know he didn't say so until he accepted his first Oscar.

[quote]largely unknown in the US Swiss actor Bruno Ganz in the In Memoriam.

Everyone under 30 knows who Ganz is thanks to Downfall memes.

R191 In 2000, he converted to Islam, changing his surname from Gilmore to Ali

To Kill a Mocking Bird , In The Heat Of The Night , Crash , Moonlight and now Green Book . I think Hollywood just realized movies about racism equals Oscar gold. no problem.

Ali is a Ahmadiyya Muslim .

Many Muslims consider Ahmadi Muslims as either kafirs or heretics, an animosity sometimes resulting in murder.

see the page below

why was Ali wearing a hat? To cover a shaved head ?

R196 I think Hollywood just realized movies about racism equals Oscar gold.

the only reason tinymeat homosexual Brad Pitt makes so many movies about black people.

Bruno was in a classic movie that he played an angel right?

Yeah, Wings of Desire:

Lee thought that he d win for best picture with his movie? Is he sane?

Oh Olivia Colman I loved you in the film I loved you from the first time I met you and I love you more now after this speech. Made me cry so deserved. Just the most wonderful person ever

"Everytime somebody's driving somebody, I lose," Spike Lee just said in the #Oscars press room.

I said this on an earlier thread, but it got buried at the end. Of the four major acting categories the award was given to actors who were playing gay characters, all of who were real people, and to our knowledge all of them are straight. Is it time for #oscarssostraight? Do more people need to be like Darren Criss and step back from taking roles away from gay actors? Are our lives so fucked up and full of drama that they are Oscar bait performances? Will we see more gay characters because of this and that visibility is a good thing? Did any of the winners actually acknowledge their charcters’s sexuality and pay homage to their struggle? I kind of feel like Melissa McCarthy and Richard E. Grant might of for their also gay real life counter parts if they had won. Discuss.

The racists at DL ruin so many threads these days. They're really disgusting.

One of the main racists is Matt the Loon.

So happy that these two Oscar chasers didn't win they didn't even deserved to be nominated.

The problem for Glumm Close was that nobody watched her movie or it could've been that some people actually watched her movie. Either way, it as lose/lose.

Overall, the 91st Academy Awards ceremony is why Trump will win in 2020.

Amy Adams must've been so relieved when Glen lost, as a win would've made her the biggest loser.

R205 Yes only Colman deserved her win.

[quote]"Everytime somebody's driving somebody, I lose," Spike Lee just said in the #Oscars press room.

Now that rocks, Spike-O

R209 many people voted for her without even watching her movie but she still lost

r205 Yes, Rami Malek certainly acknowledged Freddie's sexuality and struggle.

La Lose Amy probably wins Oscar for playing Hilary Clinton in the next 3 years.

“I’ve won and I’m this happy!” Thrilled that my lovely #OliviaColman walked away with the #Oscar at last nights #AcademyAwards. People said it would be a c(C)lose win but our Norfolk Collie triumphed. Her acceptance speech was so authentically ‘Olivia’. #TheFavourite #photography

[quote] I think to anyone struggling... we made a film about a gay man, an immigrant, who lived his life just unapologetically himself. The fact that I'm celebrating him and this story with you tonight is proof that we're longing for stories like this.

R213 oh god Dolezal, go cream your panties somewhere else.

Man, this shot of Spike says it all. credit: Richard Harbaugh / ©A.M.P.A.S.

Oh Geez, are we going to be flooded in this thread with Olivia Coleman stans.

Something major just happened. After “Shallow” perf, @ladygaga & Bradley Cooper exited stage for commercial break. During break, they came back to their seats from stage then audience gave them another standing o. I’ve never seen that happen for any performers. Cue embrace#Oscars

R220 only whites spread hate.

LEE HAD NO CHANCE TO WIN that , BEST picture I mean I t is obvious that he is jealous! Why he is so jealous ?Becuse other black film WON, not his? IF Roma could have won, what he would say? This is pointless. if it was NOT Green book ,it would have been Roma, not is movie. LEe , stop that nonsense

R223!im so happy Regina won. I loved her in Southland.

[quote]Oh Geez, are we going to be flooded in this thread with Olivia Coleman stans.

Why yes, yes we are.

Spike Lee ‘Visibly Angry’ Over #GreenBook Best Picture Oscar, Turns Back to Stage — Report

Have we wondered why Spike Lee showed up dressed as a bus driver from Pee Wee's Playhouse?

and the real winner of the night was james mcavoy #oscars

Spike Lee gets on my nerve. He loves to make everything about him.

R230 douchebag and adulterer

I love Regina so much. Her speech was lovely, and sincere. No Fakeness.

She looked beautiful!

McAvoy looked drunk on the red carpet lol. He didn’t even get his suit fitted.

Why does the Black actress in R223 have the Hebrew letters lamed lamed ayin on her left arm? Is she Jewish or is this yet another example of CULTURAL APPROPRIATION??

R205 both Brian May and Roger Taylor wanted Whishaw to play Mercury but eventually Malek was cast . producers probably didn't want an out actor play the lead in the film.

R235 can't even bring themselves to name the 'black actress' in the pic at R223

r236 Producers didn't want a whity to play Mercury. Ethnicity of actors definitely matters more.

In honor of #Oscars Sunday, here’s Maggie Smith pictured at the Old Vic Theatre in London in 1970, after hearing she’d won the Best Actress Oscar for her role in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie.

Whishaw didn’t know how to play a role that isn’t 100% choreographed. The role wanted the actor to be spontaneous like Freddie. Ben said he didn’t know how to go about that, it’s not for him.

Rami learning piano and his movements etc. are part of why they gave him an Oscar. He even paid for his own movement coach, something not provided

People watch the Oscars to see stars. Where the hell were the stars ? Like her or not, when Julia Roberts walked out, that was a star.

I loved how the technical category winners proved the Academy's point that they should be given off camera and presented later. Those people would not shut up.

I preferred when cast members would introduce the clips of Best Picture. Who wants to see these people who have nothing to do with film.

Aside from Adam Lambert and Chris Evans brother seated prominently in front, was there any openly gay representation on stage ?

If you are an example of whity R239 ( should that be whitey? ) I can't blame them.

At least Glenn lost to real actress. I'm still disappointed.

I also noticed that BR Oscar's were a big "fuck you" for Bryan Singer. He can't take credit for edition

R239 If they really cared about ethnicity of actors then wouldn't cast Egyptian American as Parsi Indian Freddie Mercury.

R242 His movements were terrible, not like freddie at , just like typical tranvestite. Wake up! Very bana and mediocre l acting

[quote]The Favourite fucking deserved that Oscar, best film of the year for me......

Agree r16

R242 Sarah Paulson presented something.

Rami fantard is awful he's always posting lies about Whishaw.

Rami Malek Wins Best Actor Oscar for #BohemianRhapsody and Is Now Halfway to EGOT

R248 But where were Tom and Rita Hanks? And what about the fucking Spielbergs?

R205, I'm firmly against people being cast because they resemble a character in real life. I don't mean physical resemblance obviously, I'm talking about the constant PC uproar because a trans person does not win the role of a trans person. Too bad. If there is a non-trans actor who is a better actor they should get the role. The same goes for gay playing straight and straight playing gay and so on.

r245 Not a whitey matters. You obviously won't find a Parsi Zorotrastien who fits.

Mercury was born on Zanzibar, making him Zanzabarian/Tanzanian of Indian Parsi heritage.

There are so many closeted actors who are benefitting from playing gay roles many times like Rachel Weisz had two lesbian movies in one year and was nominated for awards for playing a lesbian characters.

R254 It's like saying all Asian people are the same I find it very racist.

No one is lying about Whishaw.

There’s a reason he didn’t do it. That or they ended up not liking him as much as you all claim.

Congratulations to Olivia Colman for her Oscar-winning performance as Pam Bachelor in Look Around You

R258 Yes him being gay and white.

R257 idiot, all asina think the same about us , white people, we are all the same for them, fucking idiot. It is not racism. Grow up and stop with that being racist,cunts

people who saw olivia colman's performance in broadchurch season 1 finale are not even surprised bc AN OSCAR IS WHAT SHE DESERVED FROM THE BEGINNING #Oscars

R262 Egyptians and Parsi Indians are not the same You say Whishaw shouldn't play Mercury because he's white but you have no problem with casting someone who is not from the same ethnicity as Mercury that's racist.

r257 Better than whitey. If it's an obscure ethnicity a somewhat similar one will do.

Spike Lee did not lose to films thathave characters drive somewhere. Do The Right Thing wasn't nominated against Driving Miss Daisy...Dumbass...

DL hates out actors of course they don't have problem with closet cases playing and winning awards for gay roles.

With all the plastic surgeons in Hollywood, couldn't one of them help the Academy president with that neck?

The insane demand to turn FICTION into REALITY DOCUMENTARY is what will ultimately destroy the US film industry.

Best Director nominee Spike Lee, 30 years after DO THE RIGHT THING. It’s about damn time.

Uh, Spike Lee is obviously very aware that Do the Right Thing wasn't nominated r266. He has always been pissed about that

As he has a right to be honestly, it was a snub and the filmed deserved a BP nom.

Watch this

Tonight at 11.45pm, we're screening Paweł Pawlikowski's Oscar-winning Polish drama Ida, the precursor to his Film4-backed Cold War.

r267 Also no sane person anywhere has a problem with a person of any sexuality, playing a person of any sexuality. It would be fucking bizarre if people played their own sexuality. Does that mean bi actors have the most or the least options? Jesus, think this shit through.

Spike is mad that white people won for black movies

Spike Lee pose is pretty gay. Get excited miss Lee. He is such a drama queen because of his reaction to the green book winning.

We have problem closeted actors being rewarded over and over again just for playing gay roles.

If we was aware why did he say he lost? Sorry not everyone thinks the snub of Do The Right Thing was injustice. He proved tonight he is a even bigger asshole than we thought...

'When I'm on stage with Queen, I like to think I'm representing the q ueer spirit, for Freddie.' - adam lambert reacts to opening the Oscars

r276 Why the fuck? They have no right to play gay, if they are gay? -?? Many of those roles are also closeted, even Freddie Mercury to a degree.

Gay roles are much more important for visibility than gay actors.

R240, Here's Bacall finally presenting Maggie her Oscar at the 1970 Tony Awards.

R277 Asshole? Or simply another member of the increasingly tedious I'm Black, therefore I DESERVE an award mob.

We don't know for sure Malek is gay. Although that big phony display of affection he showed to his girl friend who plays Mercury's beard set off my alarm...

Spike Lee is a typical angry black man with poor impulse control

Dear Hollywood, Let queer people tell our own damn stories.

R282 Although that big phony display of affection he showed to his girl friend who plays Mercury's beard set off my alarm

Yes after that I think he's def gay.

R284 That's called DOCUMENTARY.

Stop using the word “queer” to describe gay people. “Queer” is code for tranny-pandering.

To illustrate the pervasiveness of what I would describe as the “Gay for Pay Problem” — Hollywood’s preference to pay and reward straight actors for playing gay — consider this list of straight or closeted folks who have recently won Oscars for playing gay roles:

In 1994, Tom Hanks won the Academy Award for Best Actor for his portrayal of a gay man who is an AIDS patient in Philadelphia.

In 2004, Charlize Theron won the Academy Award for Best Actress for her portrayal of notorious serial killer Aileen Wuornos – who was a lesbian – in Monster.

In 2006, Phillip Seymour Hoffman won the Academy Award for Best Actor for his portrayal of gay screenwriter, novelist, and playwright, Truman Capote, in Capote.

In 2009, Sean Penn won the Academy Award for Best Actor for his portrayal of iconic gay rights activist, Harvey Milk, in Milk.

None of these actors are openly gay.

In fact, no openly gay actor has ever won the Oscar for Best Actor.

I thought Lady Gaga was the low point of the night. If anything seemed like heavy-handed pandering, it was toward her.

"ASIB" was crap.

She'll never be an actress or so talented like me.

It’s a point that Sir Ian McKellen – who is openly gay and who was nominated for a best actor Oscar in 1999 for Gods and Monsters and in 2002 for best supporting actor in The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring – has often brought up.

“My speech has been in two jackets,” he told The Guardian in 2016. “‘I’m proud to be the first openly gay man to win the Oscar.’ I’ve had to put it back in my pocket twice.”

McKellen continued: “How clever, how clever. What about giving me one for playing a straight man?”

One need not look far to see that Hollywood often fails to provide both representation of, and employment to, members of marginalized communities. Movements like #OscarsSoWhite, and continued pushback against cisgender actors playing trans roles, have been increasingly covered in media the past few years. Yet the Gay for Pay Problem has not had the same attention, at least in the recent past, as other ways that Hollywood is willing to tell stories from marginalized groups without hiring marginalized people.

And when a gay actor DESERVES to win an Oscar, he/she WILL.

Spike Lee has never been good looking but as he is getting older he seems to be morphing into ... something .... uglier...

Spike Lee isn't alone in that r274. A lot of people feel the same way. Green Book is a hokey outdated feeling movie, and yes easy to tell it is a story about racism told by a bunch of white men behind the camera. If you are looking through social media reactions, this was pretty much the gist.

discriminatory casting practices, and deeply held beliefs that LGB actors are less marketable. A 2013 study conducted by UCLA’s LGBTQ+ think tank, Williams Institute, surveyed 5,700 SAG-AFTRA members and created an image of an insidiously homophobic Hollywood.

The study found that 53% of LGBT respondents believed that directors and producers are biased against LGBTQ+ performers, and 31% of non-LGBTQ+ respondents agreed with that assessment. Furthermore, the study discovered that nearly half of lesbian and gay respondents believed casting directors and studio execs saw them as being less marketable for romantic leads, and that more than half of LGB performers who responded “have heard directors and producers make anti-gay comments about actors.”

Though one might be tempted to ask whether gay people shouldn’t play straight roles, it’s important to note that the number of notable straight roles per year is limitless, while the same cannot be said for gay roles, especially on the silver screen.

I thought Gaga was great and I think her speech was an attempt to come off more sincere. She always does something that makes me love her. Only thing I didn't like was maybe her hairstyle....

Criss winning every award for that mini series has gone to his head . He will be lucky to get any role....

How similar is Criss' win to Rami's? They feel like lucky breaks that result in questionable futures.

R294 Boring people lik you maybe find that movie weak , but most people dont.. What is new about The favourite ? 2 lesbian fighting over lesbian quenn to have power? What snew about Roma? Feminism?Women are strong, men are bad??jesus

This PC bullshit is ruining the arts. If you're the best actor for the role you should win the part. I'm so goddamned tired of people protesting and insisting certain characters should only be played by like-bodied actors. This is insane and it insults the acting profession to its core.

R294 And whats more you are racist. Why bunch of white people CANNOT do such movie? It is capra movie, you know who Capra is?They didnt want to make a movie when black is beaten to death in 60s , there were many movies like that in the past. YOu dont understand that so you cannot get the magic of GB

“White people have been all over the globe destroying groups of people. Starting wars that lead to the raping and destruction of the most innocent.”

While that is true, look at how Africa treats its people, and don’t give me that it’s all Whitey’s fault.

Can we stop the race shit? Over 75% of the winners were white. Why are you still angry?

[quote]YOu dont understand that so you cannot get the magic of GB

You must be one of those people that actually loved "Crash"

For me, the NYtimes review was pretty on the money

[quote]‘Green Book’ Review: A Road Trip Through a Land of Racial Clichés

R305 Not i didnt love Crash ,it was BM.

Green book is about male friendship actually, racism is not first topic

Kelly and Ryan are showing their exclusive interview with Rami backstage last night and it’s quite beautiful. He’s so thankful and gracious. And he explains why he thanked Freddie throughout Awards season but thanked Queen specifically for the Oscar vs just Freddie.

Dear God, I can't believe y'all have brought your racist nonsense over to this topic. What the fuck do you people want?

[quote]People don’t tune in to see stars. People tune in to celebrate the year in film and hear the speeches.

Yes, Rose. Just like they go to McDonalds for the kale smoothies.

[quote]What the fuck do you people want?

An end to blatant hypocrisy and double-standard when it comes to bigotry and racism in America.

[quote]If you are looking through social media reactions, this was pretty much the gist.

Social media is like sitting at the bar. Opinions easily forgotten.

What double standard? 75% of the winners were white!!! What the fuck are you mad about?

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R312 Your reaction. In your mind, the only racism and bigotry of concern in the US is that which is White-generated. THAT is the hypocrisy and double-standard that demands to be addressed. But never will be.

I hate race wars!

Seriously, R309. I've yet to hear anyone ask a script "Who are you wearing?"

All of you whiny victims screaming "racism!"in this thread are tiresome, to say the least. You're your own worst enemies but you'll never figure that out much to the detriment of your futures.

Welcome to 2019: Woke twitter telling civil rights legend John Lewis he's not woke enough because he dared introduce the Green Book clip.

I have a question for Green Book I'm going to do this just in case..

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At the end Ali's character comes to Viggo's house for Christmas dinner. I got the feeling the family was racist expect for the wife but the welcome him with open arms and the brother tells him to make room...What happened ?

Disrespectful little bitches at R317. Allowing these SJWs to run amok will be the ruination of this country.

So Datalounge wants the ceremony to return to a lily white dinner party, where they can sit the black actors in tables at the back of the room?

Okay you got me I made a mistake cause I complained about the poltician . Now that I know who he IS OF COURSE IT WAS FITTING>

NOW WILL YOU ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT GREEN BOOK ?

R320 only a few of them posting over and over and over

sorry for the caps

[quote]Looking at the Vanity Fair pictures it was packed with stars you recognize. Did they not get invited to the ceremony or did they skip it?

That’s the norm. People only attend the awards if they’re nominated or part of a nominated film; they don’t just hand out invites so they can pack the room with stars. The parties are where everyone goes.

Oscar ratings rise for the first time in 5 years. Up 14% from last year's ceremony.

DL racists and closet cases really stink up this place.

Great, no host next year!

I figured the novelty of there not being a host would get more people to tune in.

So R320 wants the Oscars to be based on race rather merit. R326 is spot on. Racists ARE stinking up this place.

r325, I knew it. The combo of popular nominated films (Black Panther, Bohemian Rhapsody, A Star is Born) and headline-making mini-scandals resulted in greater interest. And we may not see a host again for a while.

Oh R241, please shut up. Films are not choreographed by the actors, of course a movement coach would’ve been provided. Nothing could be more set or choreographed than a PlayStation 4 recreation of Live Aid. Ben Whishaw probably thought the script was shite. Just give it a rest, already. Rami has had his moment never to be equalled again. Just enjoy it. Stop stanning so hard.

Yes you are R329, you are death to this place , you're so bitter and mean, weren't centuries of white supremacy enough for you, you really can't bare losing the upper hand, you are depressing and thankfully in a minority, even in the terrible time of fat sack of shit Trump progress is continuing in terms you hate, you'll just have to choke on it.

How about we give everybody, regardless of race, ethnicity, sex, or sexual orientation, the opportunity to access the means to making films and, if they're good enough, reward them with Oscars?

The thing is, whites haven't even lost the upper hand. Only 11 minorities won last night. That this is upsetting anyone is absurd!

God, most of you in this thread are arguing with your own side. Learn some fucking reading comprehension.

Idiot's Delight! (That was a film you know.)

Feel better after that mindless bigoted rant R332?

[quote]So [R320] wants the Oscars to be based on race rather merit.

Please tell me a time when the Oscars were ever based on merit. The "best" anything has always been subjective. The Oscars are a popularity contest, mixed with a political campaign, mixed with high school year book superlatives, mixed with a way to squeeze a few more pennies out of these movies. And because they've added a few more dark faces to the mix, now the legitimacy of this popularity contest is a problem. Bitch, please.

R333 You mean like kids in kindergarten who ALL get presents when it's someone's birthday so they don't feel "left out" and pitch a hissy fit?

You are the problem R336, your disgust at minorities is pathetic, as is your need to protect the poor beleaguered white people of the world.

Just a few trolls, R320. It was obvious in the early threads that there was one guy posting something awful, changing browsers, then doing it again. Very dedicated and with an obvious agenda, especially the guy in this thread who is trying to sound super smart.

If people really intended to address racism in the industry, they would first have to admit that Latinos are the largest minority in the industry and the most underrepresented ethnic group in film. Yet, how many Latinos apart from Cuaron won an award or presented an award? about 3 ?

If you work in Hollywood long enough, you would know that from catering to sound production, from lighting to boom mikes, and from screenplay to Directing there is a lot of Latino people working in producing all these films yet they are rarely acknowledged. I would say they are now 36-41% of the film industry and growing.

Case in point, when AMPAS came out with their film report, Latinos were almost equaling whites in ticket sales of independent cinema yet the Indie Spirit Awards rarely acknowledge them. They were the most frequent returners to a movie theater besting white majorities. It would be interesting to see when their 2018 report pans out.

I understand what AMPAS is trying to do, but I'm skeptical when I hear that AMPAS is trying to diversify.

JLo's gown is amazing, R335.

[quote]Latinos are the largest minority in the industry and the most underrepresented ethnic group in film.

It is a microcosm of LA then.

Sorry, I meant R313. It's too early.

[quote]It would be fucking bizarre if people played their own sexuality.

Heteros play hetero all the time, you moron.

[quote]Jesus, think this shit through.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

More hypocritical bigoted ranting R339? Not finished you're *I'M* not a racist, *YOU'RE* the racist diatribe? Still believe that Whites are the only racists in America? Haven't looked in the mirror lately?

I'd love to see more Latino stories produced and highlighted for awards. I think the Independent Spirit Awards had one film... We the Animals I believe it was called. I think a couple Latino stories were nominated for the John Cassavetes Award. One of them won I believe. A couple Latino actors were also nominated.

Unfortunately none of these films were recognized by the Academy.

r338: actually, no, I hate that and am pretty sure that is harming kids in the long run.

What I mean is precisely what I said. EVERYBODY should have the opportunity to access the means to make a film -- meaning, nobody should be denied entry to a film school based on their race, ethnicity, sex, or sexual orientation; nobody should be denied employed at a studio due to their race, ethnicity, sex or sexual orientation, etc. -- then, when they get the chance to make their film, or participate in the making of a film, if it's a quality effort, give them a nomination for an award. Not just because they showed up and not just because they happen to be the right race or sex or ethnicity or sexual orientation.

[Quote]I'd love to see more Latino stories produced and highlighted for awards

....Roma anyone?

Then maybe Latinos need to get louder and call out some of the bullshit. This goes for gays too, there comes a point when you have to realize that no one is just going to give you anything. That it's up to you to point out inequities and slights. If Latinos want a seat at the table, then demand it.

[quote]Not just because they showed up and not just because they happen to be the right race or sex or ethnicity or sexual orientation.

But that's EXACTLY what has happened to the Oscars. I showed up, I made a film, I acted in a film, I deserve a prize. Just like in kindergarten.

It's to show who owns her, r235

We get it R346 you hate minorities and white people are their victims, it's a truly pathetic point of view you hold but I guess it suits your embittered nature.

Everybody's going on about black, brown, white, blah, blah, blah when the only color that matters in Hollywood is green. If there is an audience for films featuring minorities the studios will increase the output. If you want to see yourself up on the screen get off your ass and go buy a ticket to a minority-led film.

What shit.

First, the Oscars.

Second, this thread.

Except for the Glenn Close jokes and the notes on how distorted the show and awards are.

The "Biggest Historical Victim Awards" with confusion about the basis of the Oscars, first and foremost: MOVIEMAKERS DOING THEIR BEST TO SELL MORE TICKETS. That's why they were founded, adding some cachet to the grimy business, and for the studios to make more money. Turning it into historically-underrepresented-populations-wearing-borrowed-shit-while-acting-out-and-demanding-their-rights doesn't do much for movies, viewers, human rights or the quality of filmmaking.

As R353 said!

r351, to a certain extent, yes. There was a film released last year that was magnificently entertaining, with spectacular sets and costumes, incredible music and a magnificent central male performance, but because Padmaavat was a Bollywood epic, it was thoroughly ignored by the mainstream press and thus by the Academy.

R354 That's exactly what happened last year with Black Panther and Crazy Rich Asians. You're right, the only color Hollywood sees is green. With the success of these films it's likely we're going to see more inclusive films. If I'm not mistaken, DC's hoping to make Blue Beetle, a Mexican-American super hero.

R353 You're an assumptive asshole who loves a righteous empty-headed rant. You're a hypocritical bigot who believes that only certain people are racist and that only certain people are victims of racism. How do you live with your hypocrisy and double-standard?

[quote]Perhaps the show is not for you anymore [R58] Greer Garson is dead and black people are allowed out in public these days,

Ha ha, loved this.

[quote]But that's EXACTLY what has happened to the Oscars. I showed up, I made a film, I acted in a film, I deserve a prize. Just like in kindergarten.

Were the 37 white winners that showed up, made a film, and acted in a film treated like kindergarteners last night? Or does this only apply to the 12 minorities?

How can anyone argue that there's not a certain degree of virtue signaling going on with the Academy these days? I don't really care though, what's the harm? I don't watch the Oscars anyway -- watching paint dry is more interesting.

Did you see Spike not acknowledge Bree Larson? I mean, I was expecting that anyway. Soon as I saw a white woman escorted to stage by Samuel L Jackson (whose arm was not touching her although it wa me meant to appear so) I knew that Spike would hoot n’ holler with Samuel if he won and diss the white devil, and I was right. I don’t think she cared, although it’s seemed like in the hubbub she almost lost her balance.

You're a sad old racist R359 and you've been told off, you have no sway here with your both sides are bad shit , you can keep interjecting with your old timey racism but it has absolutely no effect. I can see why the internet is your ideal venue however dreary your presence is for the rest of us, you are right to stay indoors in case you see a minority, even TV is a danger after what you suffered from the Oscars last night so no TV either. Your pain at hating a world that has changed from your ideal is palpable but very boring.

[quote]they would first have to admit that Latinos are the largest minority in the industry and the most underrepresented ethnic group in film.

And they will stay there for as long as they are a minority.

Historically speaking, by that I mean recorded History and culture, Latinos are not recognized as part of American culture. When president Hoover removed Hispanic achievements from school textbooks, they were practically erased from American history forever. You have entire generations of people that only view white and black people as the creators and sole protagonists of American culture. That type of damage is almost irreversible. It’s history that is lost forever and so is their importance and acknowledgement.

AMPAS trying to diversify is a noble step, but in reality is kind of window dressing to be honest.

R361 It applies to EVERYONE who whinges, bitches and complains about losing.

R364 hypocritically condemns racists and racism, while refusing to entertain her own.

LOL, R365 brings a new angle into this debate. Now the whites and blacks are the only races of record and the brown folks have been erased from American history. Is this a tag team relay event or do we all have to participate at once?

People in this thread take themselves way too seriously.

r365, I've never heard about this erasing of textbooks by Hoover; can you provide a reputable link to verify this claim?

R367 Sadly tries to make a comeback even tho' she is a broken husk of reactionary self loathing and fails miserably. The right wing handbook of beating the leftys at their own game ( call them racist..it blows their 'progressive minds! ) has let you down very badly, you are a pitiable figure.

Ratings up significantly. I was expecting this! A great year for the Oscars!

[quote] brings a new angle into this debate. Now the whites and blacks are the only races of record an

History is not a new angle, only to you. Your ignorance is only your fault.

Sunny on The View just said it was the second lowest rated Oscars.

I am glad the Oscar ratings went up. This must be killing Kevin Hart. lol

...and the racist of DL R374

Lighten the fuck up, R372, I was being humorous. Shouldn't most of you in this thread be heading off to class? You need a little more brainwashing in order to become completely intolerable to rational human beings.

r345 Nope, you should think this shit through. If anyone can only play their sexuality, can a gold star gay play Freddie Mercury or would it have to be someone who fucked a few chicks when younger? The erasure of gays who used to fuck a few chicks when younger really wounds me, you know? Shouldn't they have a chance at the Oscars?

It's completely fucking absurd.

R370 And yet . . . you remain a ranting hypocritical racist and bigot. WE know. And deep down, so do YOU!

Sure R378 You sound very reasonable, you have a totally open mind and the Oscars are an affront to whitery everywhere. It makes me happy that you are so unhappy, as all racists ultimately are, and you are most definitely a stupid racist.

This thread has become very boring.

And this thread went off the rails.

Why do you keep responding to Matt?

Kevin Hart is a lame homophobe, he should be biting his ass over this. If he had hosted, this would have been interpreted as (partly) his success. Ha!

Also hostless is probably the way to go! Nothing was missed.

Omfg R331 CLOSE YOUR FUCKING MOUTH AND OPEN YOUR BRAIN FOR A SECOND.

Of course the Live Aide was choreographed to be step for step like the real thing.

No, a movement coach wasn’t provided. Rami has spoken about him holding his own auditions and choosing who he wanted. He hired them and paid out of pocket. The scenes that WERE NOT LIVE AIDE you stupid fuck were not choreographed

[quote]Now the whites and blacks are the only races of record and the brown folks have been erased from American history.

Wait, I thought every American who wasn't white was a "POC?" I see (ultra-privileged) Asian-American girls glomming onto the black and Hispanic communities all the time on social media -- "we are all POC."

So conversely, doesn't a win by a Black or Hispanic person count as a win for all POC?

It sets the tone R382, the 'when they go low' attitude does not work and by giving the Matts of DL enough rope it highlights just what they are and the borderline racist 'pc gone mad 'brigade are loathe to air their similar views as they don't like to be seen as the same category as out and out racists like Matt.

WTF has Glenn done that she lost? This is the first time since Julie Christie in 2007 that an actress had won the Golden Globe and SAG then lost Oscar. I was sure she was going to win.

I'm in the UK and just saw the clip, she really gave a dignified but honest response which I'm glad about. It must have been hurtful and humiliating. I loved Melissa McCarthy's response - her open-mouthed shock. Nothing against Olivia who is terrific, I just feel Glenn did a sterling job in her movie and would have been a very worthy winner.

Glenn was in a movie that so few people saw that she could not get enough Academy voters to lie that they watched it and were able to appraise her performance. That IMO is what sank her.

Of course Glenn should have won. She was a fantastic talent and it was a great performance.

Giving it to Colman instead, in what was category fraud and should have been in supporting.

Also, when you look past Glenn's terrific performance, the movie is a ridiculous, unbelievable, woke wankfest, whereas Colman's film was a genuine artistic triumph.

"Everybody's going on about black, brown, white, blah, blah, blah when the only color that matters in Hollywood is green. If there is an audience for films featuring minorities the studios will increase the output."

Painfully slowly. Okay, "Crazy Rich Asians" made money, and there hasn't been a major studio film with a mostly-Asian cast since what - "The Last Emperor"? So... the studios greenlight a few scripts starring more Asians, since there "CRA" made money, and that means most of those scripts don't get made and maybe one or two get made in, what... 2-5 years. And the low-budget "Love, Simon" made a profit, so maybe another gay studio film will be released in 2-5 years.

The reality is that studio executives are chickenshits, they're comfortable pandering to the white male demographic that likes superheroes, and don't feel they have the fingers on the pulse of any other market, so they're hesitant to give a budget to anything out of their comfort zone - anything too gay, too female, too colorful, etc. I don't see changes happening fast, because film production is such a slow process, and because as long as white men dominate movie studio decision-making, they're going to keep thinking that anything other than movies about white superheroes is risky and different, and maybe they can take a chance every couple of years. But it will NOT OCCUR TO THEM to regularly put out movies about gay people, or Hispanics, or Asians, etc. Pandering at the Oscars doesn't mean real change.

If you rank the best actress nominees for memorable though, or distinct performances or quirky performances... Glenn comes last or close to it. Of the five, Olivia Coleman and Melissa McCarthy were distinct... Gaga was maybe in the middle for emerging and surprising... at the bottom you've got Roma girl and Glenn, who did an excellent job in a fairly cliched vehicle. McCarthy nailed that damaged creature who in her desperation did something that seemed like a good bad idea at the time and then lost control of it. Coleman made a fat, dumpy, dumb character shine... you liked Queen Anne, at least I did. She owned her screen time. Glenn was earnest, proficient, moving and consistent with a Glenn Close performance. I haven't seen Roma or Star.

I don’t understand it. Love Regina and Mahershala and happy for them, but I question it when the Academy pats itself on the back when they pander. They did this with Sidney Poitier when they gave him an Oscar for that tripe LILIES OF THE FIELD. Ignoring the superb work by Angela Bassett, but gifting Halle Berry for her mediocrity. It’s wrong.

I don't disagree r390, but the problem is that Coleman was not in the leading female role in the movie. I think she was so good in her supporting role, people just decided to designate it as a leading role.

Isn't Mahershala co-lead with Viggo? Is that category fraud too?

Yes, r395.

Was there a leading role in The Favourite? You could argue not. But the story revolved around Coleman's character and she had enough screen time to be lead. I think the story was really shared equally, with Coleman's character at the centre yet not wholly the protagonist.

We've had category fraud conversations non stop this Oscar season. People argue that Mahershala's lead while others argue that he doesn't appear until half an hour into the film and supports Viggo's growth. People argue that Olivia's lead since the drama revolves around everyone attempting to be her main support, whereas others argue that since Emma Stone has the most screen time and most obvious arc, she's the lead.

I can see where everyone's coming from, but what I'm tired of is how endlessly back and forth these conversations go. Doesn't matter though. The actors won in their respective categories and this wouldn't be the first time fraud has happened. And it certainly won't be the last.

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Yes, Mahershala was committing category fraud. That's why it's particularly galling that Richard E. Grant, giving a fantastic performance in a genuine supporting role, lost.

And I'd argue that all three of the ladies are the leads in The Favourite, but if I were pinned down to one whose character's path through the film is central to the story, then it was Emma Stone who was the lead.

Mahershala was 100% Supporting.

Mahershala was 100% co-lead with Viggo.

I’ll bet Glenn’s gown was a lot heavier once she stood up a 7x loser.

Emma Stone was the lead in "The Favourite". Viggo was the lead in "Green Book".

The end.

Nope. Mahershala was not LEAD. He’s supporting.

NEWSFLASH R384: ALL actors pay for their own movement coaches - IT’S CALLED TRAINING! If you don’t know how to walk across a room in character, I guess you have to get some!

That just supports the fact that Ram-me Malek is more of a poseur/model than an actual actor. I’m not surprised!

I kinda think Emma was the lead. But Olivia was the best performance in the film, followed closely by Rachel (who deserves a real shout out for rushing to the show from the dentist's chair at Elizabeth Arden.)

....and yet all of you, obsessed with dark people and complaining about how many of them were present at the Oscars, are the same queens accusing Trump of being racist. You guys are all fucking insane. Absolutely, hypocritcally insane. Just like any proper American.

So how many times has Viggo Mortensen lost now?

Colman carried the movie. She felt like the lead. Emma Stone was the protagonist and good, but she was overshadowed. Still all three could be called co-leads and at the same time all three could be called supporting, as if no one is the true lead. Going for the bigger category is not cheating, it's the other way round. If anything Emma Stone being in supporting is fraud, but who cares.

r409 Who's counting, right?

R404 Did you see the film? It could be argued that RW,ES and Olivia were all co-leads.

R391, then have affluent minorities bankroll films, offer scholarships and become more involved if they want to see themselves reflected on the screen.

The reason white actors are so in demand is because of the foreign market so if you want to blame racism blame the rest of the world's preference for white-led action films. Don't blame white studio execs because people of different races around the world PREFER white leading men.

[quote]So how many times has Viggo Mortensen lost now?

Three times. He's never been the frontrunner though.

R408, to the degree I'm reacting at all (and I've barely posted on the racism free for all) I'm reacting to the notion the show felt forced obvious and so inauthentic. Nominate and reward the work, sure. Be mindful of who did what in the year prior. But don't gut the show with statement programming. It's supposed to be Hollywood's biggest night, not Michfest's.

[quote] However woefully pathetic the irrelevant Oscar ceremony was, they redeemed themselves slightly by mentioning the largely unknown in the US Swiss actor Bruno Ganz in the In Memoriam.

Are you kidding? With the popularity of the Hitler Downfall parodies Ganz is more famous around the world and to younger audiences than Glenn or maybe everyone else nominated last night. Maybe not GaGa.

We can compare Olivia in The Favourite to Anthony Hopkins in The Silence of the Lambs. I wouldn't call Hopkins exactly the male lead in that movie either -- if anything Scott Glenn is more the lead male role, in terms of lines and screen time. But you waited for Hopkins to be on screen, and that's what you remember the most.

R413 That is changing. The success of Black Panther is a big indicator of that. Studios don't need to have their arms twisted by having minorities carry a film. Provided it makes tons of money.

That's an infamous example of pure category fraud r417.

Another thread ruined by the racists. We get it, the world is changing and you don't like it. Sucks to be you.

I agree r419, and that's why I brought it up!

That's good to know, R418. Though I would assume the big pull will still be action films. Supposedly they're popular because they're light on dialogue and, of course, big on action so the foreign audiences can easily follow the plot without much dubbing.

Ellen Page has been consistently vocal about Hollywood’s preference to cast straight actors in LGB roles. Page discussed the issue when she played a leading lesbian role in 2015’s Freeheld.

“There was something about being out, getting to play a gay character, and getting to play a woman who is so inspiring to me — it was such an amazing experience for me,” she said in an interview for TIME.

Page called it “borderline offensive” for straight actors to be called ‘brave’ for playing LGB roles, “I’m never going to be considered brave for playing a straight person, and nor should I be."

Tu agrees that applauding straight actors for playing gay roles suggests an inherent negativity attached to LGB character and storylines.

“I think it’s usually because we’re telling a queer person’s life as some sort of hardship,” Tu says. “Our default is to think that everyone is straight, and so casting a straight person to play a queer role is like they’re stretching their acting muscles to play such hardship.”

Her co-host, Tobin Low, points out how movie marketing plays off of this implicit homophobia.

“Nowadays the way movies are promoted, they want to highlight actors for how ‘brave’ or ‘empathetic’ they are for taking on this role,” Low says. “I am not a Hollywood insider, but as far as I can tell there’s something like this person is ‘threatening’ the future of their career by playing an LGBTQ character.”

It’s instructive to read about how well-known, straight actors themselves describe the environment for LGB performers in Hollywood, as they too confirm the perception that such actors actively endanger their careers by being honest about their sexuality.

R410 If anything Emma Stone being in supporting is fraud, but who cares.

Yes both Weisz and Stone were frauds considering they have won Oscar before the fraud gets even uglier.

Malek had a very beautiful and kind campaign. Never once said anything negative about any other actor nominated.

None of the nominated actors said anything bad about another. That's hardly a feat.

Maybe voters had a problem with Close casting her own daughter to play her younger self in THE WIFE.

Because if there's one thing Hollywood hates it's nepotism.

He also didn't stab ANYONE, r428. Take THAT!

I know a continent here can't stand that BR wasn't closer to Cruising, but in the end it was a feel good movie and nostalgic. People enjoyed it. Hollywood probably enjoyed it (sleazy Sling notwithstanding.). Rami wasn't the best actor of the year but I can see how he won it. It was an evocative performance.

Bwahahahaha you’re nuts if you think Cooper and Bale didn’t start some of those smear campaigns on Malek.

Is Glenn disliked in the same manner that Lauren Bacall was when she was the sentimental , career acknowledgement award favourite and didn't win? Close's status as a film great ( of sorts ) is really only based on a couple of films early in her movie career, she has done little of note for a long time .The Wife is a fairly muted affair but should have been good enough for a win for someone who's been around a while unrewarded and beloved, it seems Close isn't the latter.

R432 Cooper

Precisely, r431; what I think critics forget about the phenomenon of Bohemian Rhapsody is that a movie featuring two men kissing & falling in love and a montage of visits to leather bars was marketed as a "family-friendly" movie and grossed nearly $900 million worldwide. I honestly never thought I'd see such a thing happen.

She racked up Tonys and Emmys during this time you claimed she did little of note r433.

I was referring to her movie career R436, but if you take into account her successes outside of film it makes her lack of reward movie-wise even more pronounced.

Really feel sorry for Glenn. You can feel she really did expect to finally get that Oscar. She’s so ready to act surprised as the winner is announced but then that British biatch stole her thunder. And that biatch even said she expected Glenn to get it , adding to her embarrassment.

Not Glenn’s fault, she was made to believe she has it in the bag. And damn she really deserved to win imho.

How close does anything think she came? I'd love to know who finished in 2nd place on any year but I guess we will never know

I can't remember at which specific part but at some point of Rami's speech (I think when he said something like searching for himself or whatever), I legit thought he was going to come out! But then he ended it with a love tribute to Lucy Boynton lol.

Loved Regina in the film and it's a win for a true supporting performance.

Mahershala was a true supporting performance also.

All I know is I was right when I said Green Book would win because it makes white people all warm and fuzzy about segregation.

The L.A. Times is already calling it the worst Best Picture winner since Crash.

BoRhap should have won Best Pic and got 5/5

R442 No he was co-lead and you know that

He was not co Lead. He was Supporting

R438, It reminded me of 1997, when Lauren Bacall was predicted by everyone to win Best Supporting Actress, only to lose to Juliette Binoche in a surprise upset.

R349 Roma is not a film about Latinos, it is a film about Mexicans and more importantly indigenous people of Mexico. Latinos or Latinx are people of Latin American descendents living in the USA. By your reasoning a film coming out of Nigeria’s Nollywood represents African Americans and Bollywood films would represent Asian Americans.

I wasn't surprised by the Green Book. It was very nice and made people feel good -- standard Academy win.

Crash winning was just a fuck you to gays.

If you go by stats close had a uphills battle from the start. I saw this elsewhere but in the last 50 years only 6 women won best actress where they were the only nominee from their film. Also the category skews young.

Plus the overdue narrative is overblown.

Nothing but respect for MY Captain America, Chris Evans. #Oscars

Regina King saying "thank you, baby" to Chris Evans as she goes to retrieve her #Oscar is MY SEXUALITY

R449 Juliet won for a Weinstein film so not that surprising.

I liked having no host. We didn't have to sit through bullshit like bringing tourists in, or Stupid Pet Tricks.

I hope they keep it No Host.

R410, Patricia Neal won for Best Actress in "Hud", with only 22 minutes on screen.

Green Book winning offends me less than Crash because there wasn't a GREAT movie this year. Brokeback's loss was heartbreaking on so many levels.

At least Bohemian Rhapsody didn't win. Can't believe the Academy fell for something so pedestrian.

[quote] I think critics forget about the phenomenon of Bohemian Rhapsody is that a movie featuring two men kissing & falling in love and a montage of visits to leather bars was marketed as a "family-friendly" movie and grossed nearly $900 million worldwide. I honestly never thought I'd see such a thing happen.

Very good point. For that reason easily the most important film of the decade, and this will be repeated ad nauseum in the future.

Green Book is no less pedestrian than Bohemian Rhapsody. Both movies were good, BR was better. You are a snob with no taste, r458 - the worst kind.

R401, So was Nicole Kidman in "The Hours".

I'm glad Green Book won. Am I racist ?

I think Spike Lee is an asshole . Am I a racist ?

I am happy with the winners. I didn't count how many was white. Am I a racist ?

[quote]MOVIEMAKERS DOING THEIR BEST TO SELL MORE TICKETS

Which is why it’s called show BUSINESS, not show ART.

Mahershala and Viggo were both lead but Kidman was supporting and not even third best actress in her own film.

I can't believe hardly no one is making fun of Glen losing. Very strange.

Russian inference !!!!

R464, Why was there no social media uproar when she won the Oscar for Best Actress?

Did she win because Cruise had just dumped her and there was much industry sympathy for her?

Was there social media back then?

Maybe there was an uproar on USENET.

R467, She won in 2002.

[quote]Was there social media back then?

Nothing like Twitter and Facebook or at least not as popular as social medias now are

i can't do this again

[quote]The Wife is a fairly muted affair but should have been good enough for a win for someone who's been around a while unrewarded and beloved, it seems Close isn't the latter.

I think people are underestimating how much love there was for The Favourite, not that Glenn is hated. The Fave tied for having the most noms of any film last year in a variety of above the line and below the line categories— which means a lot of people saw it and a lot of people liked it. Obviously not enough to win the other nine categories it was in, but it’s one of those films that was probably second place for many, many voters.

R469, DL since 1995.

Was that very young, curly haired kid sitting next to Adam Lambert his date?

Lambert is single.

[quote][R469], DL since 1995.

Did we go off?

Agree about THE FAVOURITE. It was an entertaining and entertaining film that combined comedy and drama flawlessly. Olivia Colman is a very skilled actress, and I believe she could give M a run for her money at any time. Her win was totally justified, in a role where she drops this line: "I like when she puts her tongue in me."

Melissa McCarthy was another winner, even though she didn't take an Oscar home. I think this performance has shown she has the acting chops for better dramatic roles, and she can finally move away from all those shitty comedies.

The Academy should reset the nominations bar at FIVE in all categories, ESPECIALLY Best Picture. It's like the Democratic primary - too many contenders fractures the vote and allows a mediocre choice to slip through the cracks. If there's a "snub", so be it. Movies are so ghastly these days it's hard to come up with five serious contenders, much less make room to cram in some politically correct/pandering choices.

Glenn should take heart - her heyday is long past, and she should have been satisfied with just the nomination at this late stage. Especially in such a blah movie. Lot of great actors have never won an Oscar - Malkovich, who was so great with her in DANGEROUS LIASIONS, doesn't have one, neither does Cary Grant, Hitchcock, etc etc. Sadly, her mistake was being talked into wearing that gold getup with the cape. Willem Dafoe is a GREAT actor and doesn't have one - he was great in a terrific IFC film called THE FLORIDA PROJECT a year or two go. But these days a lot of great performances on indie films are never even noticed, much less rewarded. (although he did bag a supporting actor nom for FLORIDA PROJECT).

And FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, the Academy should pass a rule that A STAR IS BORN can never, EVER be remade again! Even a Lego version!!!

That's it, I'm exhausted. Congratulations, Olivia Colman; you're at the top of your game. And Melissa McCarthy - pick and choose carefully from her on out - your star is rising.

^entertaining and INTELLIGENT film -ach!

blackface is bad

gayface is good (and gets you awards)

Every change that the Academy has made has really been about broadening the audience and increasing ratings for ABC and those making more money for all involved. I agree about resetting the categories to 5 nominations per category, but I don't see it happening.

Actually, I would love to see a Lego version of A Star Is Born! While we're at it, how about Lego versions of Madame X and Stella Dallas!

R415, that's called "distinction without a difference."

I don't mind them queers, I just don't want them living next to me, and I don't want to see them holding hands.

I have no problem with blacks, I just don't think they should be a major part of my white movie-awards show.

They are American citizens in the entertainment business; period. I could argue that the majority of male actors are 'mos, and the cheesy-ass "Bohemian Rhapsody" was pandering at its best. The obsession with skin colour and race among Americans is unbelievable. You are all quick to condemn right-wingers like Roseanne Barr and Donald Trump for racism, yet I have never read more sit-in-the-back-of-the-bus sentiments on apparently "liberal" DL like I have in these Oscar threads.

And when you guys have nothing to say, or break away from the hive mentality, you bleat "Okay Boris. Another Russian troll." Excellent minds at work here.

Fuck off with your Thorazine and paranoia, R481. You're redundant.

No, anyone who complains that seeing black people at the Oscars is somehow abnormal or objectionable has a screw loose.

Not that seeing black people at the Oscars means real change in the film industry, see my post at R391.

So I have a question... is Vanity Fair the party to be seen at and then Madonna's the party to party unseen at? Because NYT notwithstanding, the Vanity Fair pictures suggest the packed 'em in... and a lot of A list.

And where do they change? I know it sounds stupid but with LA traffic do they nonetheless all wait for their SUVs to come around, go back home or to the hotel, change and restyle and then head out again? What time do the parties start?

The BoRhap sound awards are a complete joke - the general Academy members don’t know anything about those categories. The Editing one is for Best Salvage Job given the flawed production and lack of stewardship.

Malek’s win is perplexing. Bradley Cooper did his own singing, take after take, played his own guitar, recorded it all live and created a wholly believable Southern rock superstar character who was a bigger star than Lady Gaga (and landed a No. 1 record around the world for it) as well as wrote, directed and produced his film and they give it to Malek who mimed along to Freddie Mercury records and pranced around the set - he didn’t even have any extended emotional dramatic scenes. Cooper’s film - filled with original music, some of which he wrote - grossed $420M with original musical materials and characters. That’s quite an accomplishment.

It’s no surprise the Queen grossed $780M - so did Mamma Mia!

There's a rumor going around that GaGa is the reason Olivia Colman won. GaGa met with the Academy's Board of Governors late last week and turned down the Best Actress Academy Award. She said that she was good with winning Best Song. However, if Olivia Colman did not win Best Actress, GaGa would never have anything to do with the Academy Awards for the rest of her career. They acquiesced and Olivia Colman won for THE FAVOURITE. Olivia Colma has GaGa to thank for her Academy Award.

Cooper singing to auto tune means he deserves an award?

R485 100 % I asked many times rami ubers here for which scene Rami deserves his award. The dont wanna tell me. There re no good dramatic scenes. And they are so proud that it earned a lot of money, so what ? Dumb movies earn a lot. stupid people watch em. Nothing to be proud of ...

R486, I hate to be the one to tell you that the Academy Awards are decided by vote, but someone has to.

Every scene. Rami owned every scene.

LOL R486 Hilarious

That was lovely, R162 and so true.

I've been a Dafoe fan for 35 years, and he only gets better with age.

R486, The Academy offered Barbra Streisand membership before "Funny Girl" was even released. Obviously, she voted for herself, creating the "tie".

R490 you are boring, you know that? You are form his PR or something?

I have to wonder just what AMPAS considers a tie. Is it exact or is it within say a five(5) vote range? There have been a number of ties in the Academy's history, making me think it's the latter.

R494 coming from someone having full blown convos with himself? Lmaooo you’re a mess.

[quote] It’s no surprise the Queen grossed $780M - so did Mamma Mia!

Um, firstly BR made 860M and counting and Mamma Mia made 610M. There is an entire successful mid-budget drama between them already. Secondly BR is a biopic drama and it's gross surprised everyone on the planet. You are the last person who predicted this.

R496 herself, herself, darling Dont make such statements when you dont who you re talking to

The people at FOX didn’t even think BR would be very big. They predicted $200-$250 million worldwide. They made that in like 3 weeks.

R499, FOX must be desperately trying to think of an idea for a sequel.

R500 they’ve already said they’re considering a sequel following Freddie from Live Aide to his death.

I am annoyed by stars who feel entitled to an Oscar, as if they are owed. Not only Spike, but Ian. There is so much more that goes into the voting process. I gasped when Close lost, though I am a huge fan of Colman. If you look at her and the over winning Streep I can't help feeling Close is punished for not playing the game or at least helping to cover it up. Everyone knows about HW and Streep and she played the clueless fool where Close admitted she had heard rumors. I've seen interviews where based on having been in a cult Close says she understands why some of the women froze or did what was demanded of them. She was so literate, articulate, and able to explain the victimization. I dont think some segments view her as a team player, unlike Streep.

Isn’t Rocketman the sequel? If it does anything less than $700M it will be considered a flop. Will Taron Edgerton win Best Actor next year?

Is Rocketman out? What's the buzz?

R503 ummmm no. It’s about Elton stupid.

And it won’t make BR money. Taron is miscast and many have been saying that on boards etc. he won’t even be nominated.

R19, it was supposed to have been ME, but the RF made me go to Morocco instead!

Didn’t they say the same about Rami ? I don’t want to see a movie about an unattractive pop star

Nope. Here they said it and when his casting was announced. Once the trailer dropped people felt he looked right and good.

Taron looks ridiculous and can’t act.

Whether Rocketman will earn nominations will depend on the end product, don't you think? It'swon't be considered a flop if it makes profit, but it won't come near to BR probably. Still the success of BR will help it making more money as people will want to repeat the positive experience of watching the former.

I admit I have not bothered watching the trailer. I don't care about Elton.

R509 that’s my point too. Queen songs are songs played in ads and all over the world. Elton doesn’t have a catalogue like Queen with all these hits played at parties and ads etc.

Not this year, R489. It was decided in September that Lady GaGa would be the recipient of the Leading Actress Academy Award. Lady GaGa could not sit by and see Olivia Colman go unrewarded. It would have been inhumane. And GaGa respects humanity.

My favorite Oscars moment is and always will be Glenn Close studying Billy Porter and coming to a clear conclusion. #Oscars

Billy Porter was so much fun on that red carpet

I would want a Bohemian sequel, because they are a lot more good songs to use. A melancholic movie about using any time you have left, doing what you love despite it all, the spirit beating the weak flesh... Sounds less fun, but still engaging and uplifting if you do it right.

Was Ben Hardy there last night, "networking"?

The entire main cast was there. Rami and Lucy sat front row, the rest somewhere in the back. Gwilym, Ben, Joe and Allen all remained with each other.

Rami was sat front and center, WHERE HE BELONGED.

Hannah Beachler, the first African-American to win best production design, tears up as her Oscar is engraved: "I did my best, and my best is good enough"

why colman changed her sit place in the audience?

Rocketman looks more creative and daring than Bohemian Rhapsody did, and Taron's even doing his own singing. I can see him picking up a Golden Globe nom if the producers just push it in the Comedy/Musical category and don't go for Oscar gold.

Hold us closer, Elton John and Taron Egerton. #Oscars

Taron is not a good singer Elton used to be very good at live performances.

r520 They changed the seating because Queen was on stage then in the audience, wasn't that it?

I loved the show, happy for all the winners and it proved , you don't need a host.

"I still cannot believe the way they pandered tonight. This was the Academy Awards for goodness sake yet it looked like a rigged low-rent version of a BET awards show. The presenters were comprised of no-name or long forgotten black actors, black musicians, black athletes (why was Serena presenting?) and a black politician."

True but the real insult was that if they wanted to have a bit of a tribute to black performers, there were some true black Oscar veterans -- in the damn audience ignored. Cicely Tyson (part of a record setting year when 2 of the best actress nominees were black), Octavia Spenser, and that's just off top of my head. They could have had Poitier and a million other true stars. I knew who none of these CWesque idiots were. Stop ruining the fucking Oscars (at least it moved fast).

There was no pandering. Mainly white people won.

I expected the Queen + Lambert performance be way longer maybe 20 minutes it was just so short.

R524 She sat from the beggining elsewhere, not so close the stage, but but when the time came to announce oscar for leading woman , she changed her place,closer to stage. I noticed many people changed their seats in first rows , on the side of the arena..They changed people..

In fact I think the other BR actors had no seats but hung out in the bar. The Ben Hardy stalker will no doubt get fresh fantasies from this...

The running commentary threads were fun. The tortured postmortem thread not so much.

Wow. Taron sounds terrible. I hope they keep his voice low in the mix, at least as low as Rami’s non-existent vocals.

Was Chrissy Metz there? She has a movie out this year that may well see her in contention for Oscar next year.

Metz doesn’t get Oscar invites. Yet.

Taron is a terrible vocalist and actor. He fucked someone for this role.

I am almost afraid to ask, but what's the basis behind the Rami is gay / closeted contention?

R526, Oh darling they were not CWesque idiots, that network is about as white as you can get. I’m surprised they allowed Mexican Americans into their cast of the Roswell reboot. I would have loved to see the Riverdale cast running about on Oscar night if that had been the case. Hot boy Apa would have added some much neeeded heat to the event since we didn’t have Timmy or Lucas to moon over.

R535 I’m assuming it’s from his turn in an earlier series as a flamboyant gay teen.

Lady Gaga X Madonna #Oscars

When you think about all the rampant, uncontrollable insecurity and neediness in the Vanity Fair and Madonna parties, you can only wish somehow it was a carbon free source of energy. We'd power the planet for all time.

I thought Madge hates Gaga?! Now she’s kissing her ass. SMH.

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There was a gorgeous hunk/model sitting in the audience that was caught on camera for a couple of seconds. Did anyone else notice him? Who is he?

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Thoughts:

No problem with who won what--but probably because I didn't see most of the films. I was happy when "Bao" won for animated short. I think it's brilliantly twisted for an obligatorily heartwarming Pixar film.

Spike Lee's still a brat after all these years.

The wins weren't pandering, but the whole presenter thing was--it got to be a joke. We were trying to figure out who was who and what possible connection there was to film. Yes, Serena Williams is famous, but not for anything to do with film. Okay with John L. Lewis--it's like RBG, ancient-icon status, and Pharrell--"Happiness" is better known than the Minions film it came from.

Shorter was better and didn't miss the host, though it got kind of tedious in the middle.

Gushy GaGa, so grateful she didn't win best actress, just so she didn't do a second gushy speech. If I were an Academy member I would have a bias for the Brits just because, as a group, they know how to give an acceptance speech. Even Olivia, who didn't expect to win and kind of went all over the place, had that British sense of occasion.

Sorry Glenn, but you're in good company: Sigourney, Michelle, Willem, Amy, Cary, Richard . . . skip the gold cape next time. And remember, it's the roles not the award that people remember. I'd rather have Cary Grant's career over what'shername--oh, right, Luise Rainier's.

Marilyn should have been nominated supporting for Some Like It Hot.

I love Olivia Colman. I feel bad for Glenn but very happy for Olivia.

On what planet is Marilyn supporting in Some Like it Hot??

R551 In a planet that Mahershala Ali and Weisz and Stone are nominated at supporting category.

They’re all supporting

Emma Stone was a supporting character? She was the protagonist, the clear lead.

R553 Don't even try lol

Colman did ZERO campaigning and rightfully won!

Colman was the center of it all. The lead.

The story arc depended on Emma Stone but Olivia was the beating heart of the film.

^^^ She already had the lead actress Oscar, she want one in the other category too.

[quote]Colman did ZERO campaigning and rightfully won!

I was thinking about that earlier— she really did not campaign as she was off filming The Criwn for most of the season. That’s pretty unprecedented of late. Who’s the last winner prior to Colman that won without campaigning? Even DDL shows up to the award shows, and Ledger was well, dead.

It would be nice if Weisz and Stone are okay with being shuffled off into the supporting category when they had co-lead roles, and guaranteed a loss in that because they cancelled each other out.

I mean, they've both got Oscars of their own sitting on the mantlepiece, surely they're okay with category fraud and losing last night?

Sure they are...

What does “whinge” mean, r366? Did you mean “whine”?

Fuck off with your “category fraud,” r561. No one cares but you. With all the things there are to worry about, you kvetch about an actor being in a category you don’t think they should be in?

Pathetic.

R560 McDormand last year.

There are people that feel Reginas role was Lead not supporting. I can’t.

R565 how??? She was in the movie for maybe 10 mins.

Probably just more people finding something to bitch about to make themselves feel better about THEIR HATE for her winning.

[quote]I didn't count how many was white. Am I a racist ?

No, but your grammar sucks.

[quote]Maybe voters had a problem with Close casting her own daughter to play her younger self in THE WIFE.

At least she didn't cast her daughter as her younger sister.

[quote]To trot out George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Denzel Washington and Tom Hanks again would have been ridiculously tone deaf.

Denzel's son was the star of a film with many nominations this year, so why would it have been tone deaf to have him there?

Put me down in the "no host needed" column. It saved at least twenty minutes, and we didn't have to endure sending out for pizza, taking selfies, having embarrassing interviews with people sitting in aisle seats, or stupid video hookups.

Also I read today that Glenn's golden frock weighed FORTY TWO POUNDS!!

The Best Picture fiasco really ruined the night.

Glenn must be disappointed but there are a ton of performers who never even got 1 Oscar nomination and deserved one.

I'm thinking of Alan Rickman. He was always excellent in every role and no one was ever out campaigning for him to get an Oscar.

Disappointed that Queen + Adam did not get more time. But there is rumor now they will do next yest’s Super Bowl.

I would have loved to have seen Rickman in Dangerous Liaisons. He managed to make dreary Colonel Brandon sexy in Sense and Sensibility, I'd love to have seen what he did with an actual seducer. Anyone know why he wasn't used in either filmed version?

^^^ He and Lindsey Duncan were magnificent on the stage, one of the most transcendent nights of theatre I have attended. And the wonderful reveal of the highboy becoming a guillotine at the end was a great twist. Remember there were three versions of it, and he wasn’t in Cruel Intentions either! I think they just weren’t bankable enough stars for Hollywood.

Who knew back in 2005 that these two would both be Oscar winners someday.

R575-Sadly, I think they had wanted an actor who had done film and up to that point, Rickman had only done British TV. He did a similar type of Valmont character in a film called Closet Land - he did a great job in that even though the film really wasn't that good.

r577 What and who is that?

R560 Rylance

With the crown coming up, Colman will be basically a shoe in for the emmy/gg she will just need a tony for the egot wow

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R579, that's Regina King and Sandra Bullock in "Miss Congeniality 2". Not a great film, but they're both fun to watch.

Except in that scene.

R543, Scott Evans played a gay cop on "One Life to Live". Pics of his impressive cock were leaked on the Internet a few years ago.

r575

An interesting footnote to Dangerous Liasions is Glenn was hired with Kelly McGillis and Kevin (molester) Spacey to take over from Rickman and Duncan in the Broadway cast when the British Visa's expired. The producers decided to close the show rather than put in an American cast because of poor box office.

About 2 months later Fatal Attraction opened and Glenn was the most talked about woman in the country. Dumb move. People would have come to see her. She was able to then get the movie though (with Kelly McGillis too but then Pauline Kael convinced Stephen Frears to fire her and get Michelle Pfieiffer.)

[quote]With the crown coming up, Colman will be basically a shoe in for the emmy/gg she will just need a tony for the egot wow

She has a Grammy?

Will she ever come out?

Has someone mentioned how off the people calling the Globes irrelevant were? One of their picks won BP, the other won the most Oscars of the night. And obviously they started Rami's triumph, which no one disagreed with except the Critic's Choice - which chose the GG's other best actor pick. Ha! The Golden Globes can't be taken seriously anymore, they said.

The Triumph of ‘Green Book’ Symbolizes an Oscar Race Turned Topsy-Turvy

even I feel bad for G

R500 They can just do a remake of BR, this time tell the real story.

Maybe Glenn should just retire. It’s so obvious the Oscar is just not coming. I think it comes down to that she’s not likeable, where Meryl is.

@ OP

R589 Yeah, many of those Golden Globe winners managed to stick around 'til the big show. We probably should have seen Green Book coming as well considering the PGA win. In retrospect there are many reasons to see why it'd win. I think we were just hoping that the big show would make a more interesting decision.

Imagine if there was Twitter at the time

I'm just so glad Roma did not win BP. Green Book is fine.

Cheers to Regina King, a great actress, and to Rami--fantastic in Bohemian. But this was a poor year for movies, very little of interest or worth seeing. Toni Collette deserved best actress. Superlative and game changing in Hereditary.

Love me some Harlots r594!

And so endeth the 91st Academy Awards season.

Malek is this year’s Casey Affleck. Noticed for five minutes than never heard from again.

You keep dreaming and being wrong about every single one of your predictions.