Angie Dickinson on #MeToo - "It's all out of proportion"

High five, Angie.

It's about time someone said it.

What is this website anyway?

Older people have so much better perspective on life.

They must be glad that they didn't have to live through today's P.C. bullshit.

I love her and she's right.

Marginal talents like Gweneth Paltrow and Jennifer Lawrence would have never been cast in anything.

Boo Hoo. They made a choice. Period.

Shut up.

I have always like Angie and agree with her. What she said was carefully stated and I hope everyone doesnt jump all over her. However, she was long an insider and treated as one of the boys. So, there is that too.

Too bad about the bag-lady hair and makeup, other than that she looks very good for her age.

Loved this piece this AM. And the poker game she played with Mo throughout the interview. I agree with her also.

That's Miss Angie Dickinson, OP.

Watched it, and loved it. She was fantastic, but lied about the JFK affair...you could see it in her eyes. I also agreed with her comments on #MeToo.

r3 Umm ... we're living through it now.

Oh, please! She wouldn't have had a career without being #MeTooed on every casting couch in Hollywood.

She spread her legs for EVERYONE -- even JFK on a private plane.

I LOVE YOU, ANGIE!

She was a married woman throughout most of her Hollywood career ... her second husband being an entertainment industry big wig at that, from 1965-1981.

This may have given her a slightly different experience than others. You can't compare what happens to Mrs. Burt Bacharach to what happens to a starlet like Rose M.

I want all old people to sew their mouths shut.

Septuagenerians - still nostalgic for the days when they had to suck cock and spread their legs for mere sustenance.

Has she ever played mom to Ellen Barkiin?

Throw Dianne Ladd in the mix as an aunt!

R14, it has ever been so and I assume you will stop talking at 40? Younger people want and need the opportunity to repeat the mistakes of the old folks.

Diane

Sorry - got excited at the prospect.

Uh, most of these guys went much farther than just flashing someone in a bath robe. It sounds like she hasn't paid much attention to the stories in the news and is making a straw man argument.

Typical that some of the MRA types here would agree with her.

"What's wrong with getting raped a little for a part? Especially if it's the goddamned LEAD!"

She seems like kind of an airhead.

Employers may have been groping her for decades and it didn't even register.

Yes, it seems strange that moral puritanism, which I typically associated with right wing types, have been completely appropriated by the left. The vast majority didn't care about Bill Clinton's infidelity and from all accounts, they care even less about Trump's admitted infidelity now. This sexual puritanism is a movement that has been mostly manufactured and used to push an agenda.

wut?

She doesn’t look like an airhead in the op,s clip, r22, she is articulate and says no more than she wants to say, while implying a lot. She also looks incredible for 87, but couldn’t they just fixed her hair?

Exactly r21. This whole, “well I got fingered in my trailer every day by the producer and I survived and didn’t get a payoff, why can’t other people just put up with it” attitude of these old idiots is draining. They’re too fucking stupid to realize they shouldn’t have had to put up with it either.

I don't have an issue with chronically predatory and abusive types being confronted for their behavior. Perhaps our society will emerge healthier in some ways. I do believe that the damage that unwanted come ons and say, a groping does to the psyche has become hugely exagerrated by the media and culture. We've gone from "don't ever talk about it " to "You're life is ruined forever because someone fondled you! ". We don't have to go back to the former to find the latter a bit ridiculous. I think there is a spectrum of severity to the most serious type of sex abuse to the type of stuff that a healthy individual should be able to get over. I also believe that adults have should take ownership of their own sex lives and choices rather than just blabbering on about "power imbalances ".

R22. That Johnny Carson video seems like a hundred years ago.

R23 likes getting meth up his ass while snorting poppers thru a lather mask, while getting fisted at the Days Inn.

Even without the wig she looks just like I remember her in Titanic.

Blog from 2013 about meeting Angie, Earl Holliman, and other stars of yesteryear.

Angie was a slut who fucked everybody in Hollywood plus JFK. Dean Martin said she was the best sex he ever had. She has nothing credible to say about sexual predators.

A. Dickinson just loves the old boys' club. Doesn't she? My god, she has profited from her continued loyalty to that club, which requires a disloyalty toward women, especially those who challenge the old boys.

R33 nailed it, just like the Rap Pack nailed Angie.

Her whole world is about getting approval from men.

Agree with R32. And as to what R33 said, I bet we could also dig up some old queen to make disparaging remarks about gays, too. It doesn't "prove" anything.

Ain’t no worse hussy than an old hussy, gurl.

Is there better link? OP's doesn't work.

Bingo r33 and r27.

Close your legs to married men, you trash box hooker!

[quote]r34 Her whole world is about getting approval from men.

[italic]Whatever do you mean ? ? ?

Wasn't miss Angie a big prostitution whore back in her day? Insult to injury she also fucked Larry King. which puts her down a few pegs in the matters of gravitas and coolness.

[quote]They must be glad that they didn't have to live through today's P.C. bullshit.

Just out of curiosity, you had no problem with Kevin Hart getting pulled from the Oscars for his un-pc gay jokes and are offended by lines like "Paging Dr. Faggot" in movies, right? I mean people like you always bash "PC" culture and then go onto show what a fucking hypocrite you are when it comes to people using "gays" as a punchline.

OR she was a woman who enjoyed men and partook of them at her leisure ? We should all have been so lucky to be that hot and have gorgeous men at our beck and call. Ive always said a woman can get as much dick as she wants and still be a lady,Angie personifies that.

What a lovely interview!

Good point, R42.

[quote]r41 Wasn't miss Angie a big prostitution whore back in her day?

I don't think she was an actual prostitute ... just your regulation good-time-gal bimbo, grasping at whatever she could for attention.

On the one hand wer'e supposed to be outraged that Stormy Daniels is being shamed for her profession, and now we see that word being used as an insult when a well respected actress says that Metoo has gone too far. Can't even begin to unpack this.

[quote]nailed it, just like the Rap Pack nailed Angie.

OMG! LL Cool J? Both Ice-T and Ice Cube? What a SLUT!

They probably meant Rape Pack?

AD's getting slammed for having sex with multiple men???

Must be a monogamous crowd posting here today.

[quote]r47 now we see that word being used as an insult when a well respected actress says that Metoo has gone too far.

I don't think most people mind that Ms. Dickinson was herself whorish. It's that she doesn't have much of an honest platform from which to speak re: sexual harrasment in this day and age, considering her own business/casting couch practices.

I wonder what Doris Day thinks about the MeToo movement?

You can tell that Doris and Angie didn't like each other all that much in this video. Doris thinks Angie is a bimbo, and Angie thinks that Doris is too bossy.

Has Earl Holliman ever officially come out of the closet? I think it would have blown my young gayling’s mind if I had known back then.

R52 Doris is insufferably bossy.

DORIS: "No, you are NOT having ice tea. It's far too cold for that. Waiter, she'll have what I'm having: HOT coffee!"

As a sexy blonde, Angie was able to work a sexist world in her favor. That was *her* experience and apparently she doesn't care about what other women experienced.

No R42,its more like we are old enough to understand that words are just that,words.Only a weak minded sniveling shit would get all ptsd over someone calling them a name. You think things are any better now than 40 years ago ? Really ? The hate and contempt was there then and still is very much here now. You cant change human nature,no matter how much you cry and scream. Some people are going to hate gays no matter what. How YOU handle it and overcome it is all on your ass. You young bitches have no idea what it was like in the 60s-70s ,yet your generation is now trying to judge our generation for how we handled it then. Like any of that shit matters in the here and now.

Angie got to enjoy the gorgeous Burt Bachrach and I didn't!

She was born and lived in an age in which everyone sexualized attractive women and just expected that to be part of the woman’s life — that she’d be treated like a sex object.

Her entire career was built on that. So she’s basically saying it’s no big deal.

I’m of two kinds about that. On the one hand, women should not be treated as sex objects but as human beings with the same respect everyone else is entitled to. On the other hand, certain women DO in fact build their careers around being sex objects so is it really shocking they’re treated that way?

You know how people thought it was OK to refer to blacks as "boy" when they didn't know any better? This woman is no different. People are supposed to evolve over time. Yes, I think some aspects of the #metoo movement have gone too far (like that asshole ex-gf of Chris Hardwick or that idiot who went out with Aziz Ansari), but it doesn't mean women over the years haven't had their lives and careers destroyed by men through endless harassment or rape, and to dismiss it because of a few idiots and because she was probably some self-absorbed asshole who lacks empathy for others, doesn't make her right.

Blaming "pc" culture as a gay person who no doubt whines about gay jokes makes you a fucking hypocrite.

[quote]You cant change human nature,no matter how much you cry and scream. Some people are going to hate gays no matter what. How YOU handle it and overcome it is all on your ass.

People like this would never have passed the 13th and 14th Amendment.

^^^two kinds = two MINDS

[quote]Angie was a slut who fucked everybody in Hollywood plus JFK.

More DL misogyny. There are too many puritanical types on here who think that a woman who enjoys sex and has plenty of it is a bad person.

R40 she had a very disappointing ass.

R60 Pass all the laws and amendments and bills you would like,and this old bitch here will tell you from almost 6 decades of living that it wont make one whit of difference to what people really think in their hearts.

R62 you are missing the point.

People are saying she isn't the right person to talk about sexual harassment -- she craved it.

You're applauding her?

It's rhetoric like this that keeps victims silent and deadnamed. Fuck you all.

[quote]Pass all the laws and amendments and bills you would like,and this old bitch here will tell you from almost 6 decades of living that it wont make one whit of difference to what people really think in their hearts.

A) I don't give a fuck what they "think in their hearts" (what an expression!), if they just leave me the fuck alone to live my life.

B) You are wrong. Just look at attitudes towards Gay Marriage. They are very different now than they were only a decade ago. Yes, some people still hate gay people, but they are a smaller % of the country.

[quote]deadnamed.

I hate it when people call celebrities by their birth names, too!

And Trump is president because of an antiquated electoral system and millions of people with hate in their hearts.

R62 Did you see the interview? She complained about Bacharach's infidelity. You mean sweet Angie never fucked a married man? I think she did. So she should stop acting like a saint and embrace her inner slut!

R69 WTF does this have to do with Angie's sluttiness? Did Trump fuck her too?!

[quote]r63 she had a very disappointing ass.

LOCK 'ER UP!

Was Burt a homosexual?

R73 I thought he was with all that Dietrich nonsense, but apparently, he liked the pussy.

Burt likes the cunted, not the cocked.

Angie Dickinson had a great body, although her face always seemed a bit crude.

ANGIE IS ALMOST 88 YEARS OLD. She can have any opinion she wants - she is a product of the Boy's Club Times, and gladly put out to get roles and friendships in high places. Good for her, not shut up.

An open robe means plenty when it's your boss's. An open robe means plenty when it's Dustin Hoffman's and he's opening it up to his teenage daughter's school friend, etc.

R23, this discussion is over your head.

Some cunt should have told Burt, "You write pretty music, but you can't sing for shit. Shut the fuck up."

Oh Angie. I don't remember anyone saying that an open bathrobe is RAPE. It was the behavior afterward that was rape, stupid woman.

R79 thank you!! Her comments put her low IQ on full display!!!!

Who the fuck do you think opened the goddamned bathrobe?

Angie was marvelous in Dressed to Kill. There was talk of an Oscar nomination, but it never materialized.

There is a big difference between consensual sex and unwanted advances.

Of all the questions he could have asked Angie Dickinson he asks her about #metoo.

I wonder if she'll go back on her word like Deneuve did. Dickinson is kind of a nobody compared to her though, so I doubt anyone will bat an eye at this in the grand scheme of things.

[quote]Dickinson is kind of a nobody compared to her though

A nobody? Angie is the poor man's version of an even poorer man's version of Deneuve.

For Dynasty Fans = Angie Dickinson was offered the role of Krystal (which she decline). She was offered the role of Lady Ashley Mitchell (when she declined, the role went to Ali McGraw). She was offered the role of Sable Colby (when she declined the role went to Stefanie Beachem)...

[quote]She was offered the role of Sable Colby (when she declined the role went to Stefanie Beachem)...

I can't imagine shitty actress Angie Dickinson doing Sable Colby. She didn't have the humor.

[quote]Oh, please! She wouldn't have had a career without being #MeTooed on every casting couch in Hollywood.

[quote]She spread her legs for EVERYONE -- even JFK on a private plane.

She made choices and she's not crying about those choices now. That's the problem. You can't make a choice, regret the choice, and then ask for a do-over where you take none of the responsibility and expect to be applauded for it. That's the problem with women. They turned fucking into a transactional act and now they want to play takesie backsies.

I suspect lots of women were assaulted and raped. And while I do not consider myself a prude I do not want to be subjected to a man flashing his penis while discussing a job. As always men are able to keep women down because there is always a certain percentage of women that will support it.

R89, you think very highly of her, don't you? She didn't make any choices, the men made them for her, you get it now?

In today's climate women have started seeing that they should be able to make their own choices , while the men still think they have to make them for them. The women do not agree, that's where the conflict starts

So many of these posts seem to be from fish

Such prudes on here. I took her “open robe” comment to mean that the actresses had a choice about sleeping their way to the top. Angie contends they did what they wanted to advance their career, so no complaining after (Goop!) Suck Harvey Weinstein’s dick for a huge career? Where do I sign up?

[quote] In today's climate women have started seeing that they should be able to make their own choices , while the men still think they have to make them for them.

I don't think that's true in today's climate. In Hollywood, men can't really win. If they tell stories about female empowerment, they are accused of pandering. If they tell stories from the male persepective, they are being exclusionary. Yet no one has any problem of females writing for a male perspective, whether they are depicted as gay or straight. Also, women and gay men are more likely to be pitted against each other in their respective industries where they both dominate.

Seventeen year old Shirley Temple walking into a Producer's OFFICE to find him standing there exposed is a #Metoo moment.

Going to a motel/hotel room and meeting the producer wearing a robe and STAYING is not a #Metoo moment, is what I believe AD is referring to.

[quote]r94 In Hollywood, men can't really win.

Yes, it's so sad.

They have to console themselves with 75% of the money and jobs (or is it higher?)

r95 Shockingly, i believe she was 11

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[quote]“First we get rid of the baby fat,” said the little man seated behind the wide desk. “Then new hair. Teach you to belt a song, and some decent dancing.” . . .

[quote]Best known as producer of the blockbusting The Wizard of Oz, Freed was rumored in some adult circles to have an adventuresome casting couch. At the time I knew none of this, not would I have recognized such furniture even when sitting on one. To visit an executive of such stature was enough to send my spirits soaring.

[quote]“I have something made for just you,” he continued, fumbling in his lap. “You’ll be my new star!” That phrase had last been used when I was three years old in Kid in Hollywood [one of Temple’s early shorts].

[quote]Obviously, Freed did not believe in preliminaries. With his face gaped in a smile, he stood up abruptly and executed a bizarre flourish of clothing. Having thought of him as a producer rather than an exhibitor, I sat bolt upright . . . Not twelve years old, I still had little appreciation for masculine versatility and so dramatic was the leap between schoolgirl speculation and Freed’s bedazzling exposure that I reacted with nervous laughter.

[quote]Disdain or terror he might have expected, but not the insult of humor.

[quote]“Get out!” he shouted, unmindful of his disarray, imperiously pointing to the closed door. “Go on, get out!”

Nobody gives a shit about Shirley Temple!

R96 the DGA has 4% women directors. How the men must suffer!

[italic]How do they even drag themselves to work each morning ? ?[/italic]

It's worse than slavery.

She's great. And there is truth in what she says about #metoo, even if it's not completely true.

I've worked at a couple places in Los Angeles that used to have occasional gala benefits, and receptions. Angie was one of the celebrities you could ALWAYS count on showing up. Every time. We used to say that her and Joan Van Ark would come to the opening of an envelope.

Well, she likes the free booze.

that blowsy disheveled hair doesn't work at her age and neither does the severe eyeliner but maybe she doesn't give a fuck. Her mind is clear and she still possesses glamour.

Angie Dickinson was my beloved Dad's favorite actress. He was generally clueless about modern culture but she made a definite impression. I love her for that.

"We used to say that her and Joan Van Ark would come to the opening of an envelope. "

SHE and Joan Van Ark you douchebag.

I always thought she was a latina that wouldn't own up to it. She doesn't look waspy at all. I am curious, anyone knows her real ethnicity?

I always assumed she was Italian.

Haven't seen her in years but man she looks great for her age and no signs of plastic surgery. How refreshing. If she did fuck her way up the ladder then she has every right to feel the way she does about the #MeToo movement. Rape is one thing but if you go to bed with a producer/director/studio head just to get a job and have a career then don't bitch about it and play victim later.

[Quote]Angie got to enjoy the gorgeous Burt Bachrach and I didn't!

BARF

"You don't look like Angie Dickinson!"

[quote] she had a very disappointing ass.

Like hell she had.

Nudies! Nudies!

What is a casting couch-free Hollywood going to look like? Interesting question.

When I hear anyone, male or female, complain about the "MeToo" movement, I assume that they are themselves a sex pest

She went to Immaculate Heart, so I'm guessing Catholic.

Her wiki page says she's German .... but i want to SEE THE RECEIPTS!

R116 I've seen Germans with her features and complexion. Not all Germans are pale blonds with blue eyes.

It's hard to get any sort of nuanced opinion from her saying eight words about it.

The whole interview was sad.

Miss Angie was a *working* actress for 55 years, which is not bad at all. She beat Madonna’s record by 54 years and 6 months.

We would love to meet her and play poker with her! (the card game)

BTW, we have a witness that she boned JFK.

She's the kind of woman who puts men first, accommodates their moods and turns a blind eye the their excesses , in other words a real cocksucker and emblematic of 'the good old days' the rose-tinted spec wearing, old pricks of DL drool over and want inflicted on us again today.

She looks Italian to me. Even more Italian than Monica Vitti.

Her performance in Dressed To Kill was sublime.

Attractive women like Angie who have benefitted immensely from sexism, always proudly stand up to defend men.

I was a kid living in Boston and went to the opening of the JFK library. I said hello and asked for an autograph.

She was very kind. I don't it the autograph anymore, but I'll always remember how sweet she was.

R126 Did they do the reenactment of Angie being fucked by JFK with clay or wax figures?

I like Angie, but she was basically a jump off for the Rat Pack. #metoo is real.

R123, Angie is of German extraction. Her family name is Brown, Anglicized from Braun.

I don't know how De Palma did it, but he really did get a brilliant performance out of her in Dressed to Kill. I do remember there being Oscar talk, but the studio, Filmways, was too cheap for a campaign. I think they ended up folding a few years later anyway. Angie says so much without saying very much at all in the film and, after her death, her spirit lingers over the rest of the film. It's one of the few times where the death of someone in a "slasher" movie or thriller really has an impact. I remember being so upset when she checked out early. I think it had the same impact on me that Psycho must have had on audiences in the 60's (I already knew about the shower scene before I saw that film as a kid, so the shock was lost on me).

Excuse me??

Why Angie walked out on "This Is Your Life".

Miss Angie Dickinson didn't put men first. She was devoted to her daughter Nikki, who was disabled. I believe she had another dependant, a sister, I think. Angie took care of her own.

I don't support her metoo summation. All this broad brushstrokes characterisation is counterproductive.

[quote]r125 Attractive women like Angie who have benefitted immensely from sexism, always proudly stand up to defend men.

The worst are those that were professionally "managed" by their husbands.

Ann-Margret was always cooing, "When a man tells me I'm sexy, it's the ultimate compliment he can give me."

She has no fucks to give at this point.

love u angie !!!!! such a fab interview.....WHAT A GREAT BROAD !!! FLY WITH THE ANGELS HONEY