The Atlantic: Bernie Sanders Is the Democratic Front-Runner

No. Just no.

Oy. Once again the dp aims to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.

He's tenacious!

I do not want this misogynist to be the Democratic nominee.

If this guy becomes the nominee, will go for the Starbucks guy.

No more Putty Poop Puppets! Enough of that.

r5 Why don'y you just cut to the chase and vote for Trump. Why go through a third party?

Time for dems to rally around Harris

I imagine Warren will prevent him from getting too far in the primaries.

Trump already had it in the bag. Americans are back to shitting bricks when they hear the word Socialism.

[quote]If this guy becomes the nominee, will go for the Starbucks guy.

Vlad! Welcome back! What’s it been, 10 minutes??

Bernie supporters are EXHAUSTING

Biden will be the nominee.

He looks decrepit. He is not a leader. What happened in 2016 was very ugly.

I can live with that, r12

Why even bother to vote if the choice is him or tRump?

Good.

Bernie Bros are saying if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination, they’ll vote for Trump in protest just like they did for Hillary.

r17 Which means they're Trumpers from the very start, only there to cause mischief in the Dem primaries. Not a voting base you can ever count on when it matters the most. They're also often those with the least to lose, just like the independents.

Exactly, r18.

[quote]Bernie Bros are saying if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination, they’ll vote for Trump in protest just like they did for Hillary.

Source?

Fuck R17 and fuck Bernie. Warren or Klobuchar or anybody else who is a bona fide Dem for me.

[quote]The Atlantic: Bernie Sanders Is the [bold]Democrat[/bold] Front-Runner

The Atlantic and OP are illiterate morons. The name of the Party is Democrat, not Democratic.

Um, no, r22.

FFS, He Can't be the Democratic frontrunner. He's not a Democrat.

Has AOC endorsed him yet?

I’m with r4.

#NeverBernie

#Bernie2020

Is he running as a Democrat or not?

Been there done that. Fresh faces in 2020.

I'm a registered democrat and do not want him to run as a primary candidate in my party. He's a registered independent. Let him run as one.

R30: So you want Trump to win by Sanders splitting the vote? He clearly is running for President, best to do it in one of the only 2 parties that can win. You people need to get the hell over yourselves on this.. He'll be on my primary ballot when I vote for Warren, which is better than him on my General Election Ballot when I vote for Warren.

Our shittastic national media is going to make sure all the old white guys get the easy lay up coverage again. Meanwhile:

After Trump trying to save gays from around the world from their oppressive governments, this Hillary supporter is voting for The Donald. Fight me.

Thanks for weighing in from Volgograd, r33

r33 you're too stupid to post here. NOBODY is buying your Russky bullshit, Boris.

Mr. Berns doesn't have my support but is allowed to run as a third-party candidate, (not as a Democrat) and you're allowed to vote for him. The chooseth thee "lesser of two evils" is not serving the democratic process, not anymore. I'd gladly vote.*for a viable third party candidate but it won't be this man.

Also, I'm really sick of people who want to be president and in charge for no other reason than wanting to be center stage as POTUS.

EFF all of you!

Bernie Sanders is neither a Democrat, nor a "Front-runner".

Sorry.

He's just yet another narcissistic mediocre old white guy who thinks he's the only answer to our problems. In so many ways, he's just the flip side of Trump.

I'm not going to fight you, R33, I'm just going to F&F you for being a stupid troll.

Bernie lost once and he's going to lose again.

Bernie just give it up!

I can see Joe Biden being a front runner for the Democrats but not Bernie. Let's pick a REAL Democrat.

Bernie will win! Americans want socialism .

R37 that's what makes him so attractive.

Lies, fairy tales and fallacies, Atlantic. People of color didn't vote for him in 2016 and won't do it in in 2020. Especially African Americans, the most dependable voters in the Democratic party.

I wouldn't vote for this loser in a million years......Holy Geez---if this is the best we can do---we Dems don't deserve to win.....

R43 You're joking, right??!!

Americans do want democratic socialism so he has a chance of winning. There's a direct line from the OccupyWallStreet movement to Bernie Sanders. Millennials love him

R45, not joking. Did you see his numbers among African Americans? He will lose the same primaries he lost in 2016 and then some.

r43 you're #Stillwithering. Bernie is the most popular candidate among minority populations. I'd love to know what specific policies people don't like that Bernie promotes. He is essentially a New Deal Democrat. Don't say "he's old" and in the next breath say how much you love Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden. I'm old enough to remember when the democratic party actually cared about working people and the less advantaged and Bernie is a breath of fresh air. He's been in favor of gay rights since he was in public life as mayor of Burlington.

R48, if you check out the stats that R32 posted from Harry Enten, Bernie's challenge is that he did very poorly in 2016 with many of the core voting blocs that make up the Democratic electorate.

In order to win the Democratic nomination, a candidate needs to perform well with African Americans, women, registered Democrats and older voters.

There's a more detailed analysis by Enten in his CNN article today:

I wish Hillary would say fuck off to all the people who want her to just go away and run again.

R48, you're delusional. Bernie is one of the LEAST popular candidates among minorities. Bernie's WHOLE THING is centering straight white men, claiming Trump supporters aren't racist, and dismissing women and black people as "low information voters". He's a fucking racist and sexist, a guy who in his entire 30 year career in politics never once hired a person of color, a guy who is constantly dismissive of women and contemptuous of women in power. He's a fucking nightmare when it comes to minorities, and THAT is why he got only single digit support from minorities in his race against Hillary (who got 90+ percent of their vote)

Stop trying to gaslight us. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, and other straight white dudes.

R48, Bernie is not a breath a fresh air. He's an intellectually dishonest empty suit and fraud. He's stolen most of his ideas from Democrats, without attribution. Like Medicare for All... it's NOT a Bernie idea. John Conyers has been introducing a Medicare for All bill into Congress for more than a decade. Universal Health Care is in the Democratic Party Platform. Bernie is just warmed over old crap. I can't believe people are so ignorant and gullible as to fall for his schtick.

Bernie Sanders is running for president again. This time, he’s a frontrunner.

Sanders is the most popular senator among constituents in America and consistently ranks among the top potential 2020 candidates in early polls.

Do I look worried ?

President Bernie. Get used to it.

I see Bernie found this thread

HE IS 112 YEARS OLD!

Oprah say 'no'. She still looking for the right black candidate to foist upon da public like last time.

She likes Beto. No to him too. Too far left.

"Now Oprah, what if the best candidate out there is white ?"

He’s not going to win the nomination. Harris will.

"And if you are ignored this time ? I know it's a stretch, but what if ?"

Anybody but Plump. Don’t even care who at this point.

"How about Cory Booker for president ?"

"Oprah like, Oprah like. I get in a big old hot bath and play with my stinky box then !"

oh god now we have an oprah gif troll.

[quote] The Atlantic: Bernie Sanders Is the Democratic Front-Runner

Historically, the person who raises the most money wins the nomination, so Bernie has it.

Polls (and money) right now aren't all that useful a gauge because at this early stage it's all about name recognition. Berniebots of all people should know this.

Obama didn't start to make any real headway in polling until about Feb/Mar 2007 and he didn't overtake Clinton until the primaries.

Bernie is not a democrat. He will never be the parties nominee. He's also, obligatory, named in a mueller indictment, along with stein and trump, as a beneficiary of Russian aid in 2016

R61, Kamala Harris isn't even liked by black voters. Her campaign is flopping. Even her own father came out to call her a liar. She's a phony and people can smell it.

Unless Biden jumps in, Bernie Sanders will remain the frontrunner. The DNC will probably beg Biden to jump in and save the day since they really don't want Bernie to be the nominee

R71, I agree. I'd like to see Biden declare soon and mop up Dem dollars. The mistake the Republicans made in 2016 was that they waited too long to pick their horse, and so the far right picked one for them. Biden is not a perfect candidate, but the sooner he declares and Dems take control of his image, the better.

I had assumed when he announced that he's running that he is doing so as an Independent. I don't understand how Bernie can run for the Democratic nomination if he isn't a registered Democrat. Would anyone care to explain?

Also, if he doesn't get the nomination, I fear that he will THEN splinter off and run as an Independent. His ego (and greed) will not allow him to exit the race, not this time.

The Republicans won. They didn't make the mistakes.

[QUOTE]Trump already had it in the bag. Americans are back to shitting bricks when they hear the word Socialism.

😂 Where do people get this shit from?

R75, I also don't know where these people are getting their news. Medicare for all and Free College are polling in super majority numbers. More and more Americans agree that the rich should be taxed higher and pay their share. These "socialist" issues are very popular now.

I think the Democrats will lose if they opt for centrist policies. More people will show up to vote if they feel their voices & interests are being heard. In 2016, IIRC, approximately 100 million people didn't vote for various reasons. But, I'm sure most of them felt they'd rather not show up and vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Look how popular AOC's policies are right now. The Democrats should stick to these "socialist" policies in order to win. That's my 2 cents.

These policies always poll well when left vague. Attach them to actual numbers, though, and support plummets.

We’ll worry about that after the election.

46 Reasons to NOT Vote For Bernie Sanders as the 46th President

Once Americans realize and experience how much better single-payer is compared to the current for-profit system, there is no turning back. That's why the Republicans are running scared.

R80, Americans will never experience it as long as Republicans are in charge.

All anybody cares about is getting rid of the usurper.

You could run a mannequin at this point. It would win in a lanslide.

I agree R82.

But, why settle for a "mannequin" when we can elect a really good candidate.

How come the whole mannequin thing didn’t work in 2016?

R84, that was a mannequin with factory defects. ha ha ha.

Any one of the Democrats running would be a good President.

(not including Bernie or Tulsi)

R85, The candidate that ran in 2016 was one of the best candidates to ever run.

That shows you just how invalid the election really was.

Historically, in Democratic primaries, the one who raises the most money wins the nomination. That is Bernie.

It remains to be seen who the money candidate is. A lot of donors are still on the sidelines.

How’s his health?

No, R88. It's not.

"I Supported Bernie Sanders. This Is Why I Can't Anymore"

Does anyone else view Bernie as hot?

Well, he's a little young, R93, but I'll keep my options open.

Bernie, get lost. Not interested.

He lost all his appeal. He was on Chris Hayes’ show tonight and Chris’ face said it all

Who cares? Biden is running and he will win.

[quote] "I Supported Bernie Sanders. This Is Why I Can't Anymore"

Any significance to this article is found in Teen Vogue is online only and its management is totally in Hillary's purse. Huma may as well have scripted that editorial.

Bernie does not have a shot in hell

R99, no but Bernie has a shot in hell. He’s getting the nomination. You need to accept that and move the fuck on already.

Trump will win !!

LOL you did that well R100. I believed you at first. Good job!

The people that are laughing at Bernie Sanders' chances are the same ones who laughed at Donald Trump and thought he would never be elected or last this long as President.

Let Sanders win. He’ll be a disaster worse than Trump. And then voted out. Then we can get back to normal and the far left crowd will sail off into the sunset like the tea party.

That article at R92 was awful—it was just anti-white rhetoric. Whites like gays the most, don’t forget that. Without whites, gays will cease to be.

Kamala Harris will be the nominee and the next president in 2020. You heard it here first. Blacks don’t like Bernie.

Then Harris will be voted out in 2024.

Kamala can't win the swing states. Neither can AOC.

AOC isn’t running. Harris can win Arizona. It’s turning blue because of CA being priced out of CA. Southern blacks will be all in. Hillary couldn’t motivate Democrats to vote. Harris will. And she’ll have Obama’s eventual endorsement. Yes, Biden will not be Obama’s pick.

What do we want to bet OP is also the Kamala troll?

The Bernie bros are poisonous misogynists. Recent reports verify this.

That AOC person? Oh for crying out loud. So arrogant.

[quote] That AOC person? Oh for crying out loud. So arrogant.

Arrogant perhaps, but very comfortably quartered.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., recently moved into a luxury apartment complex in Washington, D.C. that does not offer the affordable housing units that were a key plank in the New York congresswoman’s campaign platform.

Ocasio-Cortez, 29, who said in November that she was concerned about being able to afford rent in D.C., now earns a $174,000 annual salary and is living in a newly built high-rise in the city’s Navy Yard area,

But Ocasio-Cortez’s new building — built by leading D.C. developer WC Smith — is part of a luxury complex whose owners specifically do not offer affordable units under Washington, D.C.’s Affordable Dwelling Units program.

In 2018, a civil rights attorney sued the Washington, D.C. government for allegedly discriminatory gentrification policies, claiming that development in Navy Yard area and other parts of southeast D.C. encouraged an influx of affluent “millennial creatives” who displaced minority residents.

Ocasio-Cortez, commonly referred to as "AOC," repeatedly criticized luxury real estate developers during her campaign, claiming that their buildings hiked up rent prices and pushed low-income residents out of their neighborhoods.

We need to kick luxury real estate lobbyists to the curb and defend working people’s way of life,” Ocasio-Cortez said last March. “Skyrocketing cost of living is a national crisis that CAN be addressed. It’s not just an NYC issue - it’s happening in every US metro area.”

Ocasio-Cortez also promised not to take campaign contributions from luxury developers during her campaign. “It’s time we stand up to the luxury developer lobby,” she said in a speech last April. “Every official is too scared to do it - except me.”

Her new apartment complex — which boasts on its website that it vows to take "luxury apartment living" to a higher level — offers over 100,000 square feet of amenities for its residents.

These include: two private massage rooms with state-of-the-art hydrotherapy beds; men’s and women’s saunas; a full-scale demonstration kitchen with wood-fired pizza oven; a 25-meter indoor lap pool; a rooftop infinity pool with panoramic views of the Capitol; a Peloton cycling studio with over a dozen bikes; and a fireside lounge featuring a Steinway & Sons player piano.

Also included is a PGA-grade golf simulation lounge with a wrap-around screen and viewing bar that allows residents to play virtually at dozens of the world’s most exclusive golf courses with the touch of a button. Last week, Democrats mocked President Trump for installing a new golf simulator at the White House — updating with his own money one originally installed by former President Barack Obama.

Apartments in the building currently start at $1,840 per month for a 440 square foot studio, and range up to $5,200 for a three-bedroom. The average rent in Washington D.C. is $1,340 for a one-bedroom apartment and $1,550 for a two-bedroom, according to the most recent data from Apartment List.

W. Christopher Smith, 66, the Annapolis-based CEO of WC Smith, is a Democratic donor who contributed to Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign and the Senate campaigns of Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-M.D., Sen. Mark Warner, D-VA., and Jane Raybould, who lost a 2018 Senate race in Nebraska.

Smith donated to Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-D.C., in 2017, and 11 employees of WC Smith gave $6,900 to the campaign of Muriel Bower, the Democratic mayor of D.C. In 2018, WC Smith's vice-president of communications Ann-Marie Bairstow gave over $1300 to Act Blue earmarked in small amounts — $100 or less — for various candidates, including $50 to Ocasio-Cortez.

President Bernie Sanders!!!

Bernie Sanders Interview On Running For President In 2020

@BernieSanders campaign co-chairs will be California congressman @RoKhanna and San Juan mayor @CarmenYulinCruz.

Bernie's happy smiling march in Nicaragua as the Sandinistas chanted DEATH TO YANKEES EVERYWHERE. That will be on continuous loop on TV in the fall of 2020 if Bernie wins the nomination.

Interspersed with his rape fantasies, which he very helpfully published for the world to see.

Bernie loses every state by historic percentages. Count on it. He's never actually been dragged through the mud before -- the Democrats need his preening douchebag millennial supporters too much so they treat him with kid gloves. Once he gets a spotlight shone on him HE IS DEAD.

r115, were they chosen as pass-arounds for the Bernie Bros?

Our campaign is based upon a very simple principle: Real change never comes from the top on down. It always comes from the bottom on up.

When millions of us stand together, there is nothing we cannot accomplish.

I’m amused anyone thinks that old gray relic will still be alive in 2020. 🤣

Has Lady Jane finished their taxes yet?

Gawd DAMN the fetid media has NOTHING TO DO except normalize Trump and fellate Bernie Sanders for fun and profit!

NO HE IS NOT THE FRONTRUNNER!

Ain't never gonna happen. He's not going to know what hit him when this starts.

[quote]Who cares? Biden is running and he will win.

Would love to see him run and Kamala get his VP choice. Then eight years of Biden, and then Kamala for the next eight years. With a democratic senate and house, we could get a lot done -- clean out all the fecal matter from the last four years, maybe even fix the infrastructure and get people healthcare. We can always dream.

r118, he and a Sandinista burned that flag moments after that picture was taken. That's why he's grinning.

Bernie Sanders will be the first Jewish American president.

[quote]Whites like gays the most, don’t forget that. Without whites, gays will cease to be.

It depends on what you mean by that.

Most whites vote Republican and therefore are not that friendly to gays.

And it is the white religious right (eg. Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Tony Perkins, etc.) who took over the Republican Party in the Reagan era and delayed legislative advancement for gays for years compared to other Western countries.

The group who are most opposed to gay marriage etc. are white religious Christians. (eg. see the Pew poll).

The group who are most pro-gay marriage in the U.S. are Jewish Americans. (eg. the Pew poll, etc.)

Whites. Like. Gays. The. Most. Period. End. Of. Story.

Oh please that ol' queen will never be the nominee... check this post in 2 years!

[quote]I’m amused anyone thinks that old gray relic will still be alive in 2020.

I wouldn't count on that.

There are a lot of much older political relics still here.

Yes R129, but compare their faces-- BS looks like he is ready to pop at any second!

He's a very old man.

Daily Beast: Don’t Be Fooled. Bernie Can Win.

The vile media. They're pumping Bernie up, only to tear him to shreds later on. Just watch.

His time has come and gone. He was so effective in 2016, because Hillary was the perfect foil. She was vilified so much that Bernie looked bright and shiny.

I doubt he will be the nominee but if he is all of you who say you will vote 3rd party or not vote are the reason we have Trump now and I hope all of you go straight to hell before the General Election. I hated Hillary's guts since the before B. Clinton was president but I sure as shit voted for her. Whoever the Democrat is those who don't vote for him or her are pure evil and I hope there is a way that only your lives can suck without taking the rest of us down with you.

R134 makes a good point.

Part of Bernie's appeal in 2016 was that he was a contrast to Hillary who came across as too establishment, too centrist, too much of a policy wonk, etc.

With a wider variety of Democratic candidates running against him this year, he may not be as successful a contrast.

R98 = Desperate Hillary-bashing Berner.

Superstar. He's going to win it.

[quote]Part of Bernie's appeal in 2016 was that he was a contrast to Hillary who came across as too establishment, too centrist, too much of a policy wonk, etc.

This annoys the fuck out of me. Hillary was every bit as liberal/progressive as Bernie (on many many issues, MORE progressive, on a few, more realistic). She was a fucking WOMAN, and he was an old straight white guy... he's far more "establishment" than her. And how the fuck can you be "too much of a policy wonk"? That's like saying "She was too competent... we want an imbecile for President"

[quote] Part of Bernie's appeal in 2016 was that he was a contrast to Hillary who came across as too establishment, too centrist, too much of a policy wonk, etc.

There's only Bernie and Warren. The rest of the Dems are pale versions of Hillary. I was a Hillary supporter last time because she was the best the US could have.

I support Bernie this time because of his stance on Madura or Warren for her sensible economic plan.

They should team up.

R140, if you support Bernie, you're delusional. He's awful. In every way it's possible to be awful. He's the last thing we need. If you support an empty-suit and racist/sexist fraud like him, then you never really supported Hillary and you're just trolling.

The nom will go to Biden. He and Harris should team up. They are the ones who can win.

Biden will never get the nomination (Iraq, Anita Hill, NAFTA, crime bill, etc, etc), and Harris is already DOA after Jussie, wanting to end private insurance and wanting to give blacks reparations. Bernie will get the nomination and it's anyone's guess from there. Trump will probably get a second term or Bernie will end up a 1 termer. America is fucked either way.

R143, I'm not a big fan of Bernie, but we would not be "fucked" if he was President.

For starters, we need a Democratic President to stop the complete takeover of the Supreme Court. Ginsburg can't hold on much longer, and Breyer is also getting old. If you think a 5-4 Republican Court is bad, what do you think will happen if it becomes 7-2?

Sanders would still have to deal with Congress and none of his shit would be implemented thus his base would go nuts, thus everything would go belly up.

Bernie is the only one who can win back white males which is what the Democratic Party desperately needs.

Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Amy Klobuchar won't do it.

If Bernie wins the presidency, the Congress and Senate would be Democrat and more than likely beholden to his agenda since Americans love it (socialism) so much.

Republican constituents screamed when McConnell and Ryan were trying to get rid of Obamacare. Imagine once Americans get single payer.

Finn Jones (Game of Thrones) announced he is supporting Bernie Sanders.

(And it looks like DL fave Tyler Blackburn is, too).

It's too soon to know, the primary is a year away.

[quote] I'm not a big fan of Bernie, but we would not be "fucked" if he was President

Oh yes, we absolutely would be. How delusional do you have to be to not see something so obvious?

I'm trying to decide if R146 is more racist, or more sexist.

Bernie has zero chance of winning. Z-E-R-O.

Hell, he'll probably die of old age, stroke, or heart-attack before the primary even starts, he's so goddamned old.

Bernie is not even a Democrat. Let him run in the Socialist Party contest. He believes so much in socialism.

Bernie and AOC will assure a Trump reelection.

Bernie supporters: we torpedoed Hillary’s run because she’s literally worse than Hitler and she would have been NO BETTER THAN TRUMP.

No better AT ALL:

The Mueller report will knock Bernie out of the running.

I’ll vote for him as long as he doesn’t eat salad with his comb.

Bernie is a toxic fraud.

#neverbernie

[quote]Oh yes, we absolutely would be. How delusional do you have to be to not see something so obvious?

You don't think Bernie would be better than Trump?

Do you want Trump to replace Ginsburg and Breyer if they die with 2 more right-wing judges?

Bernie is not perfect, but I'd rather he appoint judges instead of Trump.

Let Trump pack the court. Let Roe v Wade get overturned. That would serve us right if we don't even bother to vote or vote for people with no chance of winning.

Why do they think he’s the frontrunner?

(Sorry, I just rolled up and didn’t read any of the posts in this thread. What did I miss?)

No he isn't. The right is hoping to build him up so he wind's up being the left's nominee at which point they'll unleash all the dirt they have on him making it easier for Trump to win. The PTB in the left need to destroy this asshole's candidacy before it gets to that point.

Of course I would vote for Bernie over trump. I loathe Bernie but trump is a monster.

I would do this because I’m an adult, and civic-minded. I wouldn’t, for instance, vote for Jill Stein to demonstrate my anger that my preferred candidate wasn’t nominated.

Let me point out though that Bernie would be destroyed in the general election. DESTROYED.

No, he wouldn't be destroyed. There would be record millennial turnout for Bernie in the general election. 60% of 18-30 year olds wouldn't sit out an election for a change.

Really- all he'd need is to win the Rust Belt to beat Trump and I can see Bernie (or Biden) getting the Rust Belt over Kamala Harris

Biden was relevant because of Obama. Without Obama, he was a failure candidate. He won’t win. Move on.

R163 is delusional.

Team Kamala all the way.

Either Biden-Beto or Biden-Kamala.

This election will be red in tooth and claw. Familiarity and Firebrand will be our Democratic ticket to victory.

R146, Socialist Bernie from VT would "win back white males?! Bwahaha!

Trump will win.

The first New Hampshire Democratic Primary Poll since Sen. Bernie Sanders announced he’s running for president finds Sanders at a slight advantage with 27% of the vote,

former Vice President Joe Biden with 25%

and Sen. Kamala Harris at 12%.

No other candidate clears double digits.

Omg.

R169, it's not surprising that Bernie would have the edge in New Hampshire. He's from the Northeast and he beat Hillary in NH in 2016.

Rape apologist and Russian asset Bernie is NOT a democrat. He is not a member of the Democratic Party. How people think that a not democrat will be the Democratic Party's nominee boggles the mind.

Biden has run 3 times for president. In this day and age, does anyone think his treatment of Anita Hill will benefit him?

Fantasies of old white men saving the Democratic Party from itself are beyond sad

The Never-Bernies will be as successful as the Never-Trumpers. What a lot of wasted bluster.

He would croak in office! He should have the common sense to step down.

I'm not a big Bernie fan, but I don't get why people keep bringing up his age.

There are loads of older white guys still in office.

As I said above, Sen. Chuck Grasseley (R-IA) is 85 . I wish he would croak. He's the Senator who blocked Obama from appointing Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court.

Hoping all this talk is irrelevant.

Trump and Pence are ousted before 2020 and Nancy takes over.

She kicks ass. The people like it. 2020 comes around - we’re all sick of all the upheaval of Trump, crooked McConnell and his GOP Putin-loving henchmen and the overwhelming reality of what the Mueller report exposes, so we all just vote to leave Nancy in the Oval Office in 2020.

Obama wasn’t a front runner and became president.

Sanders is going to win in 2020 so you all should be very happy about that - lmao.

Bernie's incompetence and inability to get anything done and his natural talent for alienating people would just set back progress by a generation. He'd be used for generations as the proof that universal health care and environmentalism "don't work" because he'd fuck them up so bad.

HE'd continue the sexist & racist "straight-white-male-centering" policies and judicial appointments, and just plain fuck him and anyone dumb enough to support such a transparent fraud.

But we're overanalyzing all of this too much.

We can't predict how a candidate is going to affect policies decades from now.

All that's relevant to figure out is which candidate can beat Trump in 2020. Anything after that is too far in the future to predict, unless you are Nostradamus.

When Bernie wins in 2020, my suspicion is something horrible will happen — like another Pulse massacre. That, coupled with no free college and no UHC will do him in. Romney will run against him and people will yearn for a normalcy. No radicalism, etc and he will win. I’ll vote for Romney. I’ll vote Republican twice (2020 and 2024) until Democrats return to normalcy themselves. Which they will in 2031 when Democrats win the Presidency again. I’ll vote Democrat in 2031 if they have their acts together.

[quote] Obama wasn’t a front runner and became president.

Obama however had the DNC with their thumbs on the scales against Hillary.

It really is shocking how little Bernie has accomplished in office compared to, say, Amy Klobuchar, who has GOTTEN SHIT DONE. Yet the BernOuts deny this.

Sanders and all the rest of them will be rendered irrelevant once Beto enters the race, if he does indeed enter.

It's looking more and more like Beto isn't going to enter the race.

Bernie would actually use the bully pulpit unlike President Obama to pressure Congress and the American people to call and write letters to Congress and Senators who refuse to support his agenda. He wouldn't be terrified of being called commie or socialist by the right wing unlike Obama and 98% of other Democrats.

Sanders is a democratic socialist in a sea of corporatists . Of course he wouldn't get as much bills passed. His ideas (cheaper prescription drugs for aging seniors, ending funding a vicious war and humanitarian crisis in Yemen) are apparently too radical to get passed. This doesn't matter because the majority of the American people support him on these ideas.

Sanders polls as the most popular Senator for a reason.

R186, Trump will destroy him lol

R187, I'm not so sure. Even his base (well, the poor conservatives in his base) like Bernie's ideas.

Trump would not like a debate with Bernie

Bernie will win in 2020.

I want to smoke your stuff R189

Get a room r190.