Bernie Sanders Bests Kamala Harris’ First-Day Donor Total in Four Hours

He has much higher name recognition going out of the gate, so this is no surprise. With all the candidates, a lot of people are going to be wasting a lot of money.

What R1 said. He has a large list of donors dating back to 2016. Harris just started building her base.

How surprising! It's almost like he's run for President before and has greater name recognition!

Fuck two year election cycles.

I'm sure DLers are going to have a mature discussion about that here.

92% of it was donated in rubles.

Is that it then? What's the latest someone can declare they're running for president?

Another $27 dollar grift!?! Wonder if the proceeds from his next book on his so-called 'movement' will go towards a fifth or six house for the Sanders couple.

Read a book R6. You're no better than Trump's Qanon crowd...

R9 Russians supported Sanders in 2016. They spread the 'DNC rigging' conspiracy theories and paid for "left" criticism of HRC.

YOU'RE the uninformed conspiracy theorist.

Maybe because when Kamala ran she put out one request for contributions on the first day (which I got as I'm a D contributor). Today Bernie put out (so far) THREE.

I told them to fuck off all three times but they keep e-mailing me!

I honestly said Fuck Bernie to the two emails I got from liberal money seekers asking for Bernie donations today.

Sanders will lose colossally like he did to HRC by over 4 million votes, thus paving the way for a Harris nomination and win. We're not going to fall for the same trick twice. He can have his book deal and extra beach home if he plays his cards right and endorses much sooner.

The Bernie Bros are already blaming HILLARY for his 2020 loss. Mind boggling

Trying to remember a time when I still felt some goodwill towards Sanders. Seems like a long time ago.

With all this focus on Bernie, why not focus on REAL Lesbian issues???

Frightening, frightening, frightening. His embrace of Maduro in Venezuela is a tragic signal for our country should he be elected.

The amount of Sanders-to-Trump voters in WI, MI, PA exceeded the margin Hillary needed to win the electoral college. They're not on our side.

It's going to be funny when he gets the nomination. It's almost as if no one has any idea what they're talking about, especially after they screwed up 2016.

[quote]Sanders will lose colossally like he did to HRC by over 4 million votes

And Trump won't run for president, and won't win the nomination, and won't win the presidency, and won't make it a year in office, and won't...

The people who screwed up R19 are the 47% who stayed home

CNN with Wolf Blitzer has scheduled a town hall with Bernie Sanders on Sunday Night.

That was quick.

I actually met a "Sanders or Trump" guy back in 2016. At the time I was hoping he was just a dumbfuck stoner outlier, but apparently not.

Hey r20, give it a rest. People never thought Trump would actually get elected, because no one dreamed so many Bernie supporters would vote third party rather than for Hillary.

But they did, Gandalf. They did.

R23, that was "The White Guy 2016" movement.

[quote]People never thought Trump would actually get elected

lol, someone lives in an echo chamber.

Yes, the echo chamber that was called "reality." Trump's election happened, of course, but it was a freak occurrence, the perfect storm of political fuck-upedness.

And of course Bernie had more than a small part in making that perfect storm happen.

People who bring up the echo chamber behave like losing the popular vote and still getting elected is a totally normal thing to happen in a modern country. It was the perfect storm, just like r27 said.

Trump lost by over three million votes.

Sanders lost by 4 million.

Only in America do we get to pretend the true winner of the people's vote is grossly flawed and inadequate.

I don’t know why people blame Bernie for trump. It was the current electoral system combined with the awful democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. But I guess people need a scapegoat for their failures.

R31 The 'awful democratic candidate' won more votes than any white man ever to have run.

The current electoral system allowed Sanders-to-Trump voters alone to swing the election to Trump....

There's no scapegoating, just telling it like it is.

off topic: but i will never believe that trump won all the battleground states... i remember the "experts" said for trump to even have a chance he had to win at least 1 "battleground" state.. and what happens? he ends up not winning just 1, not just 2, not just 3, but all of them?? really? and for the first time in election history, every single poll, from every single form of media, whether right or left wing, independent, every kind of poll there is, every network, EVERYONE, ALL OF THEM WERE WRONG?! because unless i'm wrong, i never saw ANY poll predicting/expecting trump to win.... i know there are allegations of russian tampering with the results in the battleground states, and while i'm not trying to be into conspiracies, i have to think something fishy went on!...

R35, I had to go, back and forth between Pittsburgh and NY (still do) and I would post here frequently that there seemed to be a big disconnect between the polls and the reality on the ground in PA. The Clinton campaign was also hitting western PA hard with appearances, which didn't make sense for a campaign that was supposed to way ahead in the polls in the area. We had someone from the A team here weekly.

I did eyeroll that Hillary spent so much time in states that were essentially a sure thing and not nearly enough in battle areas.

But I will always say fuck the 47% who stayed home.

Kamala is a snoozefest. She is a hot MILF but has a spotty record. As crazy and old as Bernie is, he has some sort of charisma. KH has all of the charisma of a hot dog roll from Mr Pinks!

R38 = Kirsten Gillibore

R32 Despite that fact let's introduce another fact: she still lost the election. She had the popular vote edge and the electoral vote edge and let it slip away. Taking Wisconsin for granted bit her in the ass.

sanders has his donors list from his run in 2016 which he was very careful to keep proprietary despite the democratic party hounding him for it after Clinton was crowned/corinated in the 2016 democratic convention. So its not surprising he outraised Harris. Having said that, as a former Sanders supporter Im done with him. He didnt fight hard enuf during the primary and too easily gave into the sham of a primary/convention the democrats ran. Say what you will about republicans, Trump won his nomination fairly even tho many in the party hieracchy probably were not thrilled. The dems better not try and shove thru some centrist corporatist who thinks the way to win is to capture the moderate vote. It hasnt worked and it wont work in 2020. The only one Im excited about is Eric Swalwell, buts its encouraging to see so many candidates thowing their hat in the ring.

R14 are you the same fool who said:'when HRC becomes President." O'Rourke has tons of sizzle and Kamala is weak in that area. Biden/O'Rourke will win. California clued in and Nation wide clueless Kamala Harris couldn't win as dog catcher on a national basis.

R40 She can't hold someone's hand to make them go to the voting booths. It wouldn't have made a difference if she threw a backyard BBQ in Wisconsin. In fact, she'd be be accused of pandering.

The election was a fluke because of idiots taking the risk for granted. End of story.

Trump endorsed him today. Tells OP all they need to know.

Also Putin was a huge help to Bernie and Tad last time around. Everything from Putin’s talking points about Yulia Tymoshenko applied lies to Hillary “She is corrupt, is a hawk willstart wars, in poor health, only cares for the rich.” Then Putin sent fake postings to Bernie supporters in Mich, Wisc, OH to push them over to Stein. Also bernie refused to vote for Russian Sanctions TWICE.

ALSO Tad went to the Ukraine to meet with Kolimnik 3 months after he went to work for Bernie. Bernie has addressed NONE OF THE ABOVE. Bernie is bought and paid for - Putins latest Useful Idiot. Yet again and Americans do want answers this time around.

Bernie didnt put Trump in the whitehouse, Clinton was the worst cadidate that has ever run with a crappy track record to boot who did her utmost to be the utter bitch she is to Sanders supporters What did she expect to happen? She could give no plausible reason for voters other than Lesbians to vote for her and her incremental change message was the most pathetic thing Ive ever heard. Clinton put trump in the whitehouse with the added push of a miserable failure of a presidency prior by Obama for 8 years where he did nothing but dissapoint and underwhelm people. If anybody has any misty eyed nostalgia for Obama it is simply the fact that Trump is so much worse.

R43 She didn't even work Wisconsin at all! Bill and hill did the County Fair circuit. she knew what she had to do to win. She failed. Unfortunately we got Trump as a result.

R46 You get the politicians you deserve.

People have had television, radio and internet for quite some time in every state. The idea that Hillary shows up in Wisconsin and generates more enthusiasm as a result is not how politics work. I have never gone to any rallies here in Northern Virginia. People's minds are not made up by 1960's campaign rallies anymore. Blame the disproportionate national coverage of Trump's klan rallies and distortion of Clinton's words.

She didn't go to Wisconsin = Rote nothingism

I detest Sanders. Egomaniac . All about him. If he truly cared AT ALL he should have IMMEDIATELY supported Hillary when she won the nomination.

Garbage lies about Hillary. Not perfect but the Hillary haters are too fucking stupid to appreciate the IRREPARABLE HARM Drumpf has done.

1. Stacked the supreme courts with idiots who will be around for many years to turn our country backwards in time 2. Just today Clarence pubic hair Thomas wrote an opinion repudiating a long-standing case that supported the first amendment, 3. Oh yeah ...,!he has made us the laughing stock of the world ... as if we weren’t hated enough

Idiots will still bash Hillary for her emails and for being a woman... meanwhile Dems are screwing it up for 2020 by having everyone and their mother running.

When Joe Biden announces, this will put an end to another Bernie campaign.

Biden Harris 2020

R45 Trolls and wants to argue.

HRC rebuilt NYC after the most devastating attack on US soil, not Schumer, Bush or Pataki. Sen Hillary Clinton. She brokered the biggest Peace Treaty that the world still supports - but not Donald - Iran anti Nuke Treaty still keeping Iran in check on nukes. She brokered Hamas & Israel treaty for its day. She appointed the man that went on to author the Paris Accord - the largest most successful Climate Change agreement that the entire world supports. Still. She spent her entire life providing legal council to poor homeless, disabled children in the care of Childrens Defense fund.

But R45 you are just a useless troll creating a fight where there is none to be had. DL is over Bernie.

Congratulations on your re-election Mr. tRump.

“She spent her entire life providing legal **counsel” to poor homeless, disabled children - **also kids that were too poor to go to school.

Let's face it, Democrats have ten million candidates and they're all shit. Both the Left and the Right has no one inspiring to run right now. Maybe in 2024. Trump will probably get a second term by default with people sitting home and third party candidates stealing votes.

SUCKERS! jane's already spent it on a new lake house.

^that will be her fifth one.

I'm sorry - but I just don't relish the thought of an octogenarian president - I've had too much first hand experience with people close to me to see that age brings downsides we're all afraid to discuss. Some of them a great - but it's time Trump, Biden, Sanders, Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell and the other pre-baby boomers let someone under 70 run this country. Plus, in some ways Bernie is little more than a progressive Trump. He's an angry and aging narcissist who bloviates endlessly with few specifics.

In 2016, Hillary treated Sanders with kid gloves. A mistake. The Republicans largely avoided being critical of him as well. Other than a NY Daily News interview, Sanders lacked scrutiny. The Daily News showed Sanders' math, or lack of, did not add up. This time, Sanders won't get away with bullshit, no matter hw much CNN remains enthralled with him. Fellow candidates will not give him a pass.

Sanders has no intention of becoming president. The sole purpose is to raise millions so that he can spend on himself and his family (travel, restaurants, and other "campaign" expenses).

[quote]Congratulations on your re-election Mr. tRump.

This is really tedious. Have you looked at Trump's polling lately? A significant share of his 2016 voters have abandoned him and won't go back. And the anti-Trump vote will coalesce around one person - that's what the primary process is for (and this one will be very competitive).

Fellow Senators did not endorse Sanders in 2016. They know his work best, which obviously was unimpressive and very little.

THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE.

This is wild.

Kamala first 24 hours: $1.5 million Klobuchar first 48 hours $1 million Warren first 24 hours: $300K

Bernie first 12 hours: $3.3 million

Let's see now much of Bernie's is legal, r64. He had a habit of accepting donations above the legal limit, foreign donations, anonymous donations etc. He also has a national list from when he ran in 2016.

You can tell Bernie is worried, he had to strong arm Leahy into endorsing him. Leahy is like all the other vet Dems - “eh no thanks, I’ll pass.” Bernard seems to have gone down the cklist to address issues from before. It wont matter. Voters are done with old white men.

Like it or not, Bernie Sanders is the only one running that can beat Trump and win back the Rust Belt. He's the only one who can change the white working poor away from voting Republican.

He's the most popular politician in the Senate for a third year in a row now. His democratic socialist proposals (Medicare for all, free college, 15 dollars minimum wage, Green New Deal on climate change) are now the standard for progressives and even moderates in the race couldn't help but adopt some of Bernie's policies (Hillary and Kamala already have).

Bernie’s popularity is an illusion. If he becomes a serious candidate, conservatives will tear him to shreds with his socialist platform. Americans may day they like socialist ideas in theory, but whenever it becomes a real possibility, the nation goes into total red scare panic mode.

Bernie is running circles around Kamala:

[quote]NEWS: Bernie raises $3.3m from 120,000 individual donors in first 10 hours of campaign. That's more than double previous first-day fundraising leader, Kamala Harris.

Americans may say

People who dont like Harris say things like “her prosecutorial record is a problem.”

Ppl who don’t like Booker say things like “he took too much pharma money.”

People who don’t like Bernie say things like “I don’t like Bernie. It’s just a feeling.”

I’m black, and for some reason, a lot of my peers (millennials) are cold to hostile to Harris. They are holding her prosecutorial history against her. I have a lot of BLM and hotep type friends, and I fear black millennials and intellectuals are gonna sit out another election and re-elect Trump.

Bernue Sanders is a lot more scary than Trump. He’s Pence scary—especially for gays. The far-left is bad news.

Has Sanders ever condemned Islam for it’s treatment of gays?

Bernie's made FOUR TIMES as much in donations as Kamala in her first day.

Time to block the relentless Bernie posters. I can’t stand him. I will make sure my family and friends do not support him either. Destructive, narcissistic asshole.

[quote]Like it or not, Bernie Sanders is the only one running that can beat Trump and win back the Rust Belt. He's the only one who can change the white working poor away from voting Republican.

People are fools if they believe Bernie Sanders is about “poor working class whites”. Have you stopped to think why the majority of Muslims support him? You need to research that out. Sanders is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. You need to be very careful.

All the Kamala hype is not working - she's a distant third:

[quote]Biden, yet to announce a bid, leads primary field with 30% support, followed by Sanders at 21% and Harris at 11%.

Yes, R78. Money doesn’t equal votes. And, where is all that money coming from?

Harris is doing well considering she is just gaining national attention

[quote]but i will never believe that trump won all the battleground states

I live in a battleground state... and it was obvious to most people that Trump had all of the momentum, and there was a lot of animosity toward Hillary.

That, combined with the constant media narrative that Hillary would win in a landslide... led to Trump supporters coming out to vote in droves, while Hillary supporters were far less enthusiastic.

I do believe that Trump legitimately won all those states.

Me too, R81.

It was clear where I live that middle America despised Hillary and the type of people who supported her. It was a culture election

What is it with Americans and their penchant for geezer candidates?

Time to BERN your money!

Send it to me and Jane so we can stalk the Pope while flying first-class and destroy all real Democrats in style!

Me three, r81 / r82. I'm r36 who posted there was a disconnect between the polls that showed HRC with a sizable lead in PA and what was really happening across the state.

Berniie’s not going to be president no matter how much money he raises.

Rick Wilson:

The best part of Bernie's 2020 campaign is when Trump or Russia (but I repeat myself) bribes him with another lake house or something and Bernie kamikazes the Democratic Party.

Free tuition? Jane bankrupted a college. The Sanders in charge of your money is not a good idea.

[quote]Trump lost by over three million votes.

[quote]Sanders lost by 4 million.

[quote]Only in America do we get to pretend the true winner of the people's vote is grossly flawed and inadequate.

Right and when you look at how many votes it took Trump to get over the top in terms of electoral votes, it's even more infuriating. In the battleground states he won, we got a total of 70,000 more to win ALL of the electoral votes of ALL of those states. Seventy thousand. That is why the US is a laughing stock, being damaged very day with an evil idiot as president.

Those seventy thousand could easily have been wiped, and more, if Bernie's supporters had any sense of civic duty whatsoever. But so many of them didn't, and either voted for Stein, or even for fucking Trump himself, because they hadn't got their way in the primary.

we got = HE got

We certainly didn't, so unfortunate typo

I had to finally unsubscribe from the Bernie mailing list, WHICH I WAS NOT ON. So I assume that because I'm a Democratic contributor, Bernie got access to my email address and that's how he was able to raise so much money. The motherfucker is getting the e-mail addresses of Democrats from the Democratic Committee. I never gave him a penny.

I forgot to mention why I unsubscribed -- because they are deluging me with e-mails. Two to three times as many as Kamala, for instance.

[quote] if Bernie's supporters had any sense of civic duty whatsoever. But so many of them didn't, and either voted for Stein, or even for fucking Trump himself, because they hadn't got their way in the primary.

While there's no way to actually know who voted for whom (these numbers are all estimates and vary widely) a recent study showed that far more 2012 Romney voters voted for Hillary than Sandersnistas voting for Trump or Stein.

That's a weird, apples and oranges comparison. We are talking about what the voters who voted for Sanders in the primary ended up doing in the GE, to determine whether they made a difference.

One estimate:

[quote]Sanders -> Trump voters…

[quote]WI: 51k

[quote]MI: 47k

[quote]PA: 116k

and then ...

[quote]Trump win margin…

[quote]WI: 22k

[quote]MI: 10k

[quote]PA: 44k

And that doesn't even take into account how many butthurt burnbots voted for Stein in the GE. Who do you think Stein's principal voters were? People who voted for Hillary in the primary? Of course not. Rightwingers? Ridiculous. The supporters of a self-proclaimed socialist? Bingo.

This is why the election stunned the world, even the Trump campaign, so much. The refusal of the Bernie supporters to vote strategically, and their spite in voting for anyone but Hillary, was simply staggering, and it ended up putting Trump in the White House.

Butthurt is homophobic.

^^^ most desperate reply...ever

[quote]i will never believe that trump won all the battleground states

Especially Florida. Either the media and statisticians/pundits were lying when they said it was almost mathematically impossible for Trump to win, or there were shenanigans afoot.

A lot of people were saying that Florida was suspicious on DL and Twitter on Election Night 2016. Immediately the media went into "explanation" mode, and I saw several people who had said Florida's results were sketchy turn into "Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie, which is why she lost" folks.

People are too scared to believe that the vote was manipulated.

OKay, I’m gonna block that poster at R 97. Getting back to the thread..

Jill Stein is hard on Israel just like Bernie Sanders and it is my belief that voters who supported both are anti-Semitic.

[quote]I had to go, back and forth between Pittsburgh and NY (still do) and I would post here frequently that there seemed to be a big disconnect between the polls and the reality on the ground in PA. The Clinton campaign was also hitting western PA hard with appearances

There was someone like you (or maybe you) who insisted that they saw a lot of Trump signs in PA and therefore that meant Trump would win, but that person also said HRC wasn't campaigning in PA enough because she didn't care about the working class.

After the election the media briefly said "you could tell based on Trump signs in yards that PA would go to him" which made me really suspicious. There were a LOT of trolls before the election pushing various reasons why HRC would have a surprise loss, and many of those reasons ended up in the media after the election to conveniently explain away how Trump won.

It felt like trolls had been planning their post-election strategy, knowing people would be immediately suspicious, and wanting to gaslight everyone into thinking a Trump win was normal.

The worst of these explanations was the claim that a significant number of people in all states lied to pollsters from dozens of organizations and said they were voting HRC when they were really voting Trump. That is so unlikely as to be nearly impossible, but boy did the media push that hard.

Everyone was trying to make people think a Trump win was "eh, just one of those things." So when I see posts like yours that say you drove on the highway a few times and saw Trump signs, which explains why Trump won, I'm suspicious.

For three years, people like R95 have been ignoring the forest from the trees, to coin a phrase.

Even with Putin doubling down, the election should never have been close.

A more competent candidate, male or female, would have walked away in a landslide.

Period.

[quote]He's the only one who can change the white working poor away from voting Republican.

The white working poor won't vote for a socialist. The white working poor have been overwhelmingly conservative for generations.

The fact that a number of you are still flummoxed about what a couple thousand Sanders supports may or may not have done is truly astounding.

(Remember: no one reports their vote. These numbers are all estimates and estimates vary wildly)

I suspect you are the same people who hold on to slights from elementary school.

I’m suspicious where Sanders gets all his money.

Lettuce be real: Harris and Booker have zero chance. We need Biden to fully commit and run.

Interesting poll from yesterday that puts BIden tied with Michelle Obama

R100, there were a few of us from PA. I certainly didn't say that HRC wasn't campaigning enough in PA. In fact it was just the opposite. And, it wasn't yards signs in general that I mentioned. It was the location of the yard signs that was of interest. Towns that were once a sea of Obama signs were seas of Trump signs. It was so striking that of the Sunday political news shows (I think it was FTN) covered it as part of their 'everyday joe' type coverage of the election.

You can say what you will about the four or five of us...turns out we were right.

[quote]it was obvious to most people that Trump had all of the momentum

He didn't have any momentum. No one had much momentum. Just like his popularity has been for over two years now, his approval remained steady during the election once the summertime spike hit after the primaries; for HRC, her popularity spiked after the primaries and again in October, but remained mostly constant. The difference was that the Comey Letter reduced the numbers for HRC. She was recovering from the hit and would have, had the FBI pulled their shenanigans a week or two earlier.

[quote]That, combined with the constant media narrative that Hillary would win in a landslide...

No such media narrative. People were GLUED to the pundits predicting who would win, because people weren't convinced she would once she got ill on September 11th. Remember, the media was constantly going on at length about the emails, how no one liked HRC, about Abedin and Weiner and the laptop, wondering aloud if HRC was secretly sick, etc. We were told she had a 90% chance of winning or something, but people were very worried about that 10% chance of not winning.

[quote]I do believe that Trump legitimately won all those states.

If you think "winning after the FBI consulted with the Trump campaign and then released the Comey Letter" is legitimate, sure.

But you weren't right. The yard signs didn't indicate anything, because you only saw a small amount of them in certain locations. You were pushing your anecdotal evidence of seeing some yard signs in an area you think, but don't know and certainly can't prove, was "a sea of Obama signs" eight years earlier. Even if it was all Obama signs before, so what? Were they the exact same yards? Were they the exact same residents?

There were dozens of factors here; yard signs in Pennsylvania were not actually an indicator. It's a classic correlation-does- not-prove-causation situation.

[quote]I assume that because I'm a Democratic contributor, Bernie got access to my email address

It might be voter rolls? I'm a Democratic candidate contributor but registered as an independent, and I get no emails asking for donations for anyone.

[quote]OKay, I’m gonna block that poster at R 97. Getting back to the thread..

That's a lie, Matt, because I saw the reply.

[quote]Jill Stein is hard on Israel just like Bernie Sanders and it is my belief that voters who supported both are anti-Semitic.

I guess Stein and Sanders being critics of Israel really puts you in a quandary, doesn't it, Matt?

[quote]It might be voter rolls? I'm a Democratic candidate contributor but registered as an independent, and I get no emails asking for donations for anyone.

No, the voter rolls do not have my e-mail address. I think it's the DNC. I have contributed to them in the past, and to candidates through them. I got a few requests from Kamala's campaign and I gave her some money. I was getting absolutely deluged by Sanders, so I "unsubscribed" to his mailing list (which I had never subscribed to).

So it seems pretty clear that Sanders has access to the DNC's contributor e-mails, because I'd rather eat my own testicles than give that Trump enabler a penny.

R109, we were right. And, yes, I can prove the sea of Obama signs, I was here in 2008. Not sure why you are making up a narrative about me. Three counties flipped from blue to red so what I was seeing was , in fact, a flip. I'm not sure why you keep insisting we weren't correct when it actually happened. I'm not sure why you have such a hard time with this. It wasn't one or two yard signs. It wasn't talking to one or two people. Shit, voter registration was leaning Republican. You seem to forget that outside the cities, Pennsylvania is fracking, steel, coal and manufacturing and these are the people (all union workers) who flipped and they all live in the same towns close to where they work. It's not that difficult in middle America to see when something shifts. And if you want a bit of good news, the steel workers aren't so happy with Trump anymore.

You can stamp your feet all you want, but we were right and you don't understand the culture of where we live.

Bernie is the reason Hillary isn’t in the White House. Remember that.

Probably Russian money.

Politics aside Sanders is too old.

[quote]the steel workers aren't so happy with Trump anymore.

Two years and countless damage to the country later. Are people supposed to be impressed? And they're only changing their minds because it's affecting them personally. When it came to others, it was fuck them.

I do agree with that R114. If Hillary was anti-Israel the way Sanders was, I wonder if she would have been in the White House regardless of Bernie Sanders.

[quote]Bernie is the reason Hillary isn’t in the White House. Remember that.

Based on what?

Based on Michigan, R119. Sanders won Michigan, Clinton did not. I blame the Democrats or rather “Democrats” who are anti-Israel.

I hope he is another who ends up in jail. Fucking traitor!

How many of the donors are republicans I wonder

[quote]the steel workers aren't so happy with Trump anymore.

[quote]Two years and countless damage to the country later. Are people supposed to be impressed? And they're only changing their minds because it's affecting them personally. When it came to others, it was fuck them.

You mean, like every other demographic and cultural/ethnic group that votes solely based on their own self-interests?

I can never forgive Sanders for having a big hand in Trump winning. The ONLY way he redeems himself in my eyes, is when he LOSES his goal to achiieve the Democratic Nomination, he vigourously commands his followers to vote for whomever the Nominee is against Trump.

[quote]You mean, like every other demographic and cultural/ethnic group that votes solely based on their own self-interests?

African Americans overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. As did the LGBT community. Self interest probably played a part in it (though that's tenuous at best given how the democratic party neglects their African American constituents), but I'm sure the racism,. the misogyny, the numerous accusations of sexual harassment, the constant lying and just the complete inexperience at running for the top position in government also played a part.

Again, it's always nice to have the extra hands, but let's not roll out a red carpet because these steel workers finally got to a place where common sense dictated they should have been at two years prior. And this is a group that's always required to need extra hand holding come election time,.

[quote]Bernie is the reason Trump is in the White House. Remember that.

FTFY

Sanders has a cult-like following which is why his donations are high, and it seems a bit disingenuous of the media to forget to mention that.

Much of Sanders' rhetoric was of the "Democrats don't care about the white working class" type, which is the exact same message the GOP sends out, thus creating two parties which were attacking HRC at the same time.

Sanders never says much about how the GOP claims to care about the white working class but screws them over time and time again. Curious.

[quote]Again, it's always nice to have the extra hands, but let's not roll out a red carpet because these steel workers finally got to a place where common sense dictated they should have been at two years prior. And this is a group that's always required to need extra hand holding come election time,.

And this is exactly the attitude that loses elections.

Bernie2020

[quote]Trump2020

FTFY

What's weird is that our very own Amazing Creskin was saying HRC *did* give that group extra handling in PA, yet she lost there anyway.

I don't necessarily question the results in PA, because I think the combination of GOP & Bernie pushing the "she doesn't care about the working class" angle, the Comey Letter, online propaganda funded by outside countries with an anti-US agenda, voter suppression tactics and backlash over what had been a liberal period in our country could have lead to a slight margin for Trump.

When even extra attention spent on an area that is already close to 50/50 and could be swung by a variety of tactics doesn't work, is it really that much of a problem if we dismiss that particular demographic, R128? I don't blame people for saying enough. And it won't lose us the election because we tried with them already and didn't win then, either, so why waste our finite resources on a lost cause?

[quote]What's weird is that our very own Amazing Creskin was saying HRC *did* give that group extra handling in PA, yet she lost there anyway.

Never said any of that. You should read Obama's quote after the election about campaigning in Iowa. Pittsburgh Isn't Johnstown and, not only that, but her message was off for the region.

[quote]And this is exactly the attitude that loses elections.

No what loses elections are people who still think Republicans are the answer to solving the problems of the middle and lower class. The recession of 2008 should have taught enough people that they're not.

And no, you shouldn't get preferential treatment because you're from a "Battleground state". You should be treated like everyone else.

I'll vote for Bernie if he gets the slot, but holy FUCK his hardcore supporters are SO annoying. They're the other side of the coin of the MAGA cult: "my guy is the savior who is the ONLY person who can lead" It's been a day and my feed is flooding with BERRRRRRNIE

[quote]Pittsburgh Isn't Johnstown and, not only that, but her message was off for the region.

Hillary sure as fuck wasn’t going anywhere near Johnstown.

I was called a troll when I said Donald Trump would win Pennsylvania.

It was so obvious Hillary was going to lose. I always saw the Philly rally as a hail mary last chance kinda thing.

Robby Mook is the reason Hillary isn't in the White House.

Not Bernie Sanders.

And that's why it went from an Obama win in 2008 to a 47 point Trump victory, r135.

[quote]Yes, [R78]. Money doesn’t equal votes. And, where is all that money coming from?

Honey, did you read the quote? It's about votes, genius.

[quote] Clinton put trump in the whitehouse with the added push of a miserable failure of a presidency prior by Obama for 8 years where he did nothing but dissapoint and underwhelm people. If anybody has any misty eyed nostalgia for Obama it is simply the fact that Trump is so much worse.

The corruption and hypocrisy of the Republican Congress and its Orange leader is the a culmination of anti-Obama forces that coalesced on the day of his election in 2008. The turtle from Kentucky boldly saying that their only priority was making Obama a one-year president. Naked, blatant racism that created the Tea Party and the Alt-Right and The Freedom Caucus and has led us to Drumpf.

Obama's only failure was his naivete and belief that his fellow statesmen were principled, had integrity, and believed they owed a duty to the entirety of the American people -- not just the Deplorables. The fate of the Merrick Garland nomination is completely unprecedented in American history. Obama could not have predicted they'd throw away the rules.

[quote]Robby Mook is the reason Hillary isn't in the White House.

Gays suck at math.

Sanders is a creepy old misogynist. Please do not let him be the Democratic nominee. I'm begging you.

Moron at R139, I was referncing the article stating Sanders out funded Harris in the millions, while Biden is the in the lead among likekly voters out having even announced yet. Sanders donations mean nothing. Money doesn’t equal votes or support. Blocked.

Trump is now trying to beat Bernie's record. God knows what for.

I don’t think it would have mattered who was the campaign manager R141. I truly believe Michigan should be looked because you have pro-Israel Democrats (Clinton) and anti-Israel “Democrats” (Sanders) and Sanders won Michigan. I feel that’s the way it’s going to be now—and there’s a lot of discussion now amongst these freshmen Democrats and their anti-Semitism.

And, where there’s anti-Sentism there’s homophobia. That’s how I’m going to analyze Democrats now and who I support — based on their support of Israel and how this will tell me how they truly feel about gay people. Gays and Jews are so intertwined.

Good article.

I don't care about Israel. It's a country half the world away. I wish them peace, but not my priority.

Ok, can these Bernie Bros keep Obama’s name out of their filthy mouth? Things weren’t perfect but Obama made sure that he never lost a race for President, unlike Bernie and Hillary. He was a gentleman, shame on him, but that was another time. Event the Bush Years are a political lifetime away.

Back on topic. Harris/Biden/Bernie will be the last three standing. If you think woman are going to get behind two old farts over Harris then you are crazy. I welcome you all back to the party but no matter what, fall the fuck in line. Every one of you tut stayed home cost us the Supreme Court, so any of Bernie’s policies just became 10x harder to implement.

Let’s have a thought primary. But in the end, grow up and support the Dem nominee with your vote.

Bernie is also destroying other candidates on Youtube statistics.

McDonald's is popular, too. Mayor McCheese for veep.

I'm just glad to see Mayor Pete beating Tulsi.

[quote]Bernie is also destroying other candidates on Youtube statistics.

Considering he has by far the biggest name recognition I'd expect his numbers to be be higher.

He definitely, destroying them in age. :)

He is*

[quote]McDonald's is popular, too. Mayor McCheese for veep.

This would be a good analogy if all the candidates (with the exception of the inexpressive Amy Klobuchar) weren't copying his agenda.

Bernie's the original. Kamala's the processed, fast food imitation.

Fucking idiot. He's going to get Trump re elected

R156, he's the only one who can beat Trump

Bernie's well liked and well known. Along with Biden, he's the safest bet against Trump.

Harris, O'Rourke, and Warren are risky investment, while Booker and Klobuchar would absolutely hand Trump the victory.

Maybe he'll pop off before things get too dire.

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Bernie was awesome at fundraising in the last election. He pulled in 10s of 1000s at his rallies.

He lost by 4 million votes.

It's going to come down to Bernie vs Biden and Biden isn't where the party is unfortunately. Bernie has it in the bag. Whether or not Bernie can win a general is another story.

Biden may not be where the party is, r162, but the party has moved to a point where they don't appeal to moderates.

Sanders is very elderly and that negress won’t ever be elected. Can’t we get a nice young man with a good Protestant name to run?

Yesterday MSNBC talked about a poll where they found that 54% of young whites called themselves liberal Democrats while blacks and Hispanics were more likely to call themselves moderate Democrats instead of seeing themselves as Liberal Democrats.

For a moment I was like wow, alright! But then I realized those numbers were tied to the candidates that they would support.

If you support Berno, you are a Liberal Democrat.

If you support Beto O'Rourke or Kamala Harris you are more centrist (moderate/concervative Democrat).

The fact that Bernie Sanders would get within 4 million votes of beating HRC and would actually win several primaries was something no one saw coming.

He was considered a fringe candidate who would, at best, pick up less than 10% of the vote.

Kamala is a sexy women but does not have enough humility to attract a loyal base of female supporters. She's no Oprah.

Beto acts like a teenager. I can picture him standing in his bedroom with a guitar. Too much of a wanna be rock star.

Biden has the best chance but he seems reluctant.

Bernie will make good points in his debates with Trump, who will agree on many shared principles.

Trump will win, regardless. He is incredibly popular.

No R165. Blacks are overall culturally and religiously conservative, except on race and economics. Otherwise, Republicans can peel off the black vote

R166, he did well mainly in caucuses because his base had the time to participate. In two states that had nonbinding primaries in addition to caucuses, Bernie won the caucuses and HRC won the primaries. There were also reports of cheating and violence from the Bernie supporters at the Nevada caucus.