Darren Criss Married

I haven't been this surprised since Grant Gustin got married.

Mia Swier me am straight!

Darren's next role: David Gest in AMERICAN HORROR STORY: David and Liza

She looks more masculine than him.

Jessie Smollett is screaming this is a hoax.

Since when are 'straight' and 'married' synonymous?

Up next, Tim Tebow.

I can throw him around the bedroom like a rag doll!

She's quite a bruiser, isn't she?

She's tall enough to be his mother.

Congratulations boys! Wait . . . Um, what?

R6 does not get it.

She's still not going to be the STAH she wants to be. She could marry 3 women at once,and that bitch is gayer than Gay Macgayson !

Soon to be preggers.

R6: I was thinking exactly the same. He is such a fake an phony

R14: Gay sperm is powerful, at least that's what happens everytime a gay has drunken sex with a woman on a tv show, the baby is on the way

So he gets married right after award season and makes sure to call the paps to catch it. This is after announcing the engagement just as the Versace press tour started. Gee, I wonder why people are having a hard time believing this charade.

LOL!!!

She clamped onto his dick with her mighty vag and squeezed the gay outta him.

Missy has chosen my career suicide path.

R1 Grant is straight, he is a cutie but at least he is a good ally.

I'd guess Grant is happy to not be playing teens anymore. They had to practically drywall his face with makeup to hide his shadow.

I never thought I'd utter the words, but: Sure, Jan.

He's such a calculated bitch. After declaring 'no more gay roles', when that's all he has, he then makes sure to cement hi straightness with marriage. Fine. Have a kid or three. We'll see him on some retro show in 8 years.

R24 News flash: actors use gay fans and then discard them. I wonder how many Darrens and Markys there are out there who still be unknowns if not for the gay fans they baited for their success.

He looks convinced!

In that pic above he's looks like he's imagining the blow job he'll be giving after the wedding ceremony is over.

Or the one he just gave to his best man. He can still taste the cum in his mouth.

"...actors use gay fans and then discard them. I wonder how many Darrens and Markys there are out there who still be unknown if not for the gay fans they baited for their success."

Why is everyone looking at ME...???

His wife sometimes takes a good pic where shes very pretty,but more often than not she looks like a mtf tranny ! That girl has a HARD mug.

He's straight. He likes pussy. Dick makes him I'll. Get over it.

R25, there is no baiting? He never dated or said he likes dudes. It’s not his fault you delusionally fantasized he was gay despite no evidence to support that lame assertion.,

^^^Hi Mia ! ^^^^

[quote]She looks more masculine than him.

There was a blind on AGC.com that said she was trans. She IS much bigger than he is, so who knows.

You’re dumb if you believe that

You're even dumber if you don't.

Looks like Darren's PR team found this thread.

What is that thing she's wearing? That....THING? (Not talking about Darren.)

[QUOTE]News flash: actors use gay fans and then discard them

I feel used!

And not in the good way.

She’s, uhh, sturdy.

Slut!

Wow, I knew he was part Asian (Filipinos through his mom. Didn’t realize his parents were old AF.

*Filipino

"He's straight. He likes pussy. Dick makes him I'll. Get over it."

HI DARREN!!!!!!

Welcome to The Data Lounge!!

We've been expecting you.

If he doesn't get her pregnant in the next year, we'll know for a fact that he's gay.

A year? Why would a voracious pussy hound like Darren wait until after marriage? She better have a baby bump in the wedding photos!

Heterosexuality is a choice and a bad one at that.

Darrin is pulling all the stops in order to become a movie star.

I have a feeling his starring roles are all going to be titles produced by Netflix or Amazon.

Darren Criss in.... Not without my Daughter II: the Daughtering

R48: Unfortunately for him it's not going to happen, not now, not never.

And he will live to regret the day he said he will never play gay characters again (that was phony as hell). If Ryan Murphy decides not to hire him anymore (not going to happen) he'll be out of jobs in a second.

Anyway, there was a BI that seemed to be about him about his frustration to capitalize his success in award season with interesting projects. I found very surprised Versace was so praised this award season, the show received really bad reviews in my country

R51 I shall wave my hanky once he boards that train to Goodbyesville

[quote]I have a feeling his starring roles are all going to be titles produced by Netflix or Amazon.

Or Snapchat.

It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.

Well there's a BI update

She is gonna be HUGE if she gets preggers. Isn't it rumored that he's a mean asshole?

R56: There were so many rumours about the Glee cast that it's impossible that all were true, even that Ryan Murphy recognized that the Glee set was a nightmare

I know a boy. I used to think he liked other boys. But then I met his girlfriend, whom he had never mentioned. And she looks exactly like Mrs. Criss. I thought that's who she was, in fact.

[quote]She IS much bigger than he is, so who knows.

As the pic at R40 shows, she is tinier than him (and he's tiny already). She just has the audacity not to be the emaciated Hollywood bobblehead.

Also, pics of his wedding would've been on the celeb sites even if he didn't get any work or awards after Glee.

Some actors / celebrities shun attention. He's never been one of those.

R21 so what makes Darren a bad ally?

R29, I wonder why ppl don't feel the same about James Franco? He played gay so many times that it was just ridiculous

Because James Franco is past his prime so no one cares.

How big's her strap-on?

[quote]... even that Ryan Murphy recognized that the Glee set was a nightmare

"Recognized"? Try "ensured."

[quote]After declaring 'no more gay roles', when that's all he has, he then makes sure to cement hi straightness with marriage.

He got engaged a year before this proclamation so your causality is at best reversed.

But since he's been dating her from before he got on Glee and became a celebrity (of sorts), I'd say this type of causality is purely imaginary.

Exactly. This has brought out the nasty jealous gay guy stereotypes. I’m happy for the couple

I told my ex-wife the same thing!!

Paps, this is a 2019 wealthy liberal hipster millennial raised in San Francisco, not a formerly closeted Boomer retiree.

Wasn't there some sort of story going around a few years ago that Chris "Unemployable" Colfer bullied Criss? I can just see it now...handbags and hissy-fits in the closet...

Nobody bullied him. He was Murphy's top pet and even got his now wife hired at Fox as promo producer, she didn't last long after Glee was over though.

There was a BG story insinuating that Lea Michele and Colfer were plotting to get rid of Criss in the last seasons of Glee -- when in fact Michele was having the dust-up with Naya Rivera while Colfer couldn't care less about anything Glee and was promoting his book series instead.

big dick? Darren

Who’s the top?

I hope Darren

R65: Thank you for the advice, my english needs an improvement (the fact that some words are similar in spanish and english doesn't mean they mean the same in both languages)

R70: Murphy got a preferential treatment from the very beginning, and everything that made Criss semirelevant came from working with Murphy so i doubt nobody bullied him. I remember the BI, but curiously Colfer seems to be liked for most people who work with him. Colfer is way more talented than Criss anyway

Murphy gave him a preferential treatment

R74 your choice of words was correct- R75 took it upon himself to change your sentiment completely.

That BG item about an alleged coup against Darren Criss was pure BS. There was no reason for Lea Michele to do that. Chris Colfer had indeed half-checked out of Glee for his own pet projects which had nothing to do with the show.

The coup bs was probably lifted from the tumblr blog of some uberstan who was resentful that some cast members didn't make it their life goal to be as infatuated or in awe of Darren Criss.

Sorry, R75, there was nothing wrong with your grammar or word choice; I just meant that if anyone created a nightmare atmosphere on that set it was likely to have been Murphy, viper that he is.

R69. Oh sure, pumpkin. Nobody beards anymore. Oh, you kids and your imaginations.

Gramps, the question isn't "does a statistical anybody beard any more".

The questions to wrap your senior citizen brain around are:

Does it make sense for this one individual, with his particular background and upbringing, personality and character, type of non-movie career, in the age of Me-too up the wazoo and TV twinks coming out by the dozen, when even Colton Haynes finally figured it's better to live your life ?

And how it computes that this particular person would have had the premeditation to be hooking up in college with the ladies (yes, he did) in a millennial artsy-fartsy crowd who couldn't care less who people sleep with, just to set up the stage in expectation of having an A-list movie career? And planned to get set up years ago with that unconventional "Beard" while he was still a complete nobody without any career? And had their college mates facebook pictures of them all lovey-dovey and happy-like just for setting up a narrative when he didn't have squat to care about?

Well, that's some kind of devoted closet-hugging planning, I tell ya.

He reminds me of Ben McKenzie who everyone and their cat swore was gay for years before he shocked the collective wisdom by getting involved into a rather huge hetero-scandal with a married woman -- who he subsequently married and had a kid with.

Post wedding

Wait, is he wearing nail polish??

Is that a shocking fact for someone who fancies himself a rocker, R84, when a whole generation of males wore black nail polish not so long ago and nobody claimed they were gay.

He looks schlubby. Both look like buskers. Nobody would give them the time of day on the street,

I don’t like nasty envious people. Congrats to the couple!

I'd eat his ass

Ummm okay dude

She is rather... masculine. And not attractive.

Darren Criss is your classic charismatic sexually fluid social climber/ruthless careerist. Andrew Cunanan was not a stretch for him.

R90, you’re jealous

R91 you're right. He's not as deplorable as Cunanan was what with all the killing. But they are very similar. Do we know if Criss is sexually fluid, though?

She does have some masculine features but shes still very pretty.

Very pretty

Is that a drum on his shoulder-strap?

My theory which should send DL hearts (or dicks) aflutter: he's secretly smashing Michael B. Jordan. Exhibit A, their first public meeting in 2013...

Exhibit B: Reunion for The Hollywood Reporter TV Actors Roundtable in Spring 2018...

Exhibit C: Darren conspicuously close to MBJ in Screen Actors Guild Award photo...

Exhibit D: Darren getting even more up close and personal at SAG...

Exhibit D: Someone noting MBJ's enthusiastic ovation for Darren at the Golden Globes...

Sorry, last one was supposed to be Exhibit E. And finally, Exhibit F, our former Glee-ster wrote the following alongside a photo of the two at the 2018 Met Gala (yes, last year) on February 13th, a day before Valentine's Day (and a few days before his wedding on February 16th):

"Can’t take credit for this photo but it’s one of my favorites from last year. @michaelbjordan @priyankachopra"

Or you know.....they could have just become good platonic friends by being in the same place often.

R81 Wel, Litle Vagisil as you little ones haven’t been able to careers, buy houses or do that “adulting” thing you prattle on about, here goes. He may be carrying on the grand tradition of “Keeping Up Appearances”. Certainly NOT AT ALL HOMO. Why he’s all MACHO just like Tom Cruise and John Travolta, Robert Reed, and Rock Hudson. They all married and had kids. Being married gives them social mobility and access, a necessary veneer of masculinity that a certain Harry Potter-esque actor-singer with a dubious reputation for locking lips with other men needs to revive his flagging career.

Nobody cares what a failed milennial who’s never amounted to much does in his personal l ife. You’ll just carry on living in mommy’s basement as you have been, undoubtedly whiling away your days playing Fortnite and complaining to your many online friends about the lack of opportunities in senior management for someone with your degreein Cultural Studies.

Gramps, at least update the references. Rock Hudson in 2019 is wee bit ridiculous.

Name one credibly rumored guy who Criss has dated. No? Well, cause there are none. He doesn't date guys and never did. His fangurls trawled through the interwebs for the tiniest sign of any boyfriends, and nada. Now that's talent, to hide them so well in the dungeon that nobody ever sees them lol.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, even if it comes in a hipster millennial half-Asian package.

Yes, let's pretend it's 1959 and Criss is a movie star leading man.

Not that we're twenty years into the 21 c., gay marriage is the law of the land, and the highest paid actor on TV where Criss makes his living is out and gay-married Jim Parsons.

Nah, let's hear more about Hudson and Scieno Revolta as if they have any relevance to this individual.

r105, I can think of one. His friend Joey Richter. For a long time he was all over his Instagram, much more than Darren's "girlfriend".

You don't seem to realize that closeted actors often have their paramours hiding in plain sight -- they're obviously not going to give off any sign they are dating. They pass them off as "best friends" with whom they are adjoined at the hip (see James Franco and Vince Jolivette) or hire them as personal assistants (see Hugh Jackman and John Palermo) or work with them as business partners (see Jeremy Renner and Kristoffer Winters). It's a tried and true tactic that works pretty well in throwing people off the scent when combined with bearding.

I understand you're trying to do PR damage control, but the fact is that DL has identified many gay guys years before they came out, many who also showed no trace of a boyfriend, anywhere. Either you're new to the site or just clueless.

They look adorable here, don't they?

LOL these two?!? Ha ha. When you have nothing, just call the BFF a secret boyfriend, problem solved.

You are aware that if it were true, the cray Starkid fans and random U Mich grads would've splashed that fact all over SM when Criss got famous, do you.

Not if he was also closeted in college and they had no idea, fool

So, which hetero projects is Darren attached to? Did his "no more gay roles for me!" announcement work?

Over the years I’ve noticed that closeted fathers are more likely to produce gay offspring. (Not exclusively. . . but certainly more likely.)

R107 I would like to see all those pictures from his instagram... He sucks at social media and rarely post about his private life.

R107, you’re delusional dude

He's straight.

He's beautiful, he's talented, he's articulate, and in my eldergay fantasies, I'd like to THINK he's gay.

But, dearhearts, even to the bitchiest of you, he's straight.

Straight.

I don't know if he is gay or bisexual, but the mere optics of his marriage look strange. He looks like he married a female football player. I sense something strange here. Joey and Darren look like a better match--not saying they're actually together.

R116, that’s a vicious stupid comment

BLIND ITEM That closeted mostly television actor-singer and his beard/now wife are (not surprisingly) shopping around their wedding photos to the magazines. They’re aiming for Kneepads but I doubt they’ll cave in because the couple is asking for too much money, but you never know.

Stupid ⬆️

Typical sexually fluid but probably gay-leaning narcissist who would marry Blac Chyna if he thought it would help him get ahead.

I wonder how much "sexual fluidity" the maid had to mop up after Darren's bachelor party.

Congrats!

R106: Oh yes, and pretend that actor who came of the closet like Matt Dallas and Garrett Clayton didn't say that they were coerced to beard when they were at the peak of their popularity.

Criss is not a movie star and he will never be, but frankly gay rumours generally last way less when the actor is really straight

R115: I don't think he is straight but i'm pretty sure you are because no gay makes so much effort to prove an actor is straight. You look like a fangirl in love

R111: He is very lucky Ryan Murphy loves him, but even if Murphy gives him straight roles i'm pretty sure he'll regret being such a phony soon

All his relevant roles were gay, if he was so invested in not playing more gay roles he could have just do that without a public proclamation, but hey, he loves the spotlight

She looks like Jessica Biel.

He seems like a genuinely nice guy from what I've observed. However he also seems incredibly narcissistic and attention seeking, though many actors are.

[quote]Not if he was also closeted in college and they had no idea, fool

Sure Jan. He was in the Theatre program, had gay friends there, and nobody had ANY idea. Because he was so deeply in the closet.

I have no idea if he later sucked dick for his career. Maybe. But he has a lot of fangurls who fetishize him as 'gay', and if they couldn't find a gay past all these years - no one will.

The only thing I've read is that he would sometimes kiss his gay friends as a joke, at least I think that was the context.

The Darren Criss gossip was been posted a billion times on the DL. He is (mostly) straight, though he has fooled around with men. This shouldn't be news or a surprise.

Up until 1980 or so, some women were beautiful enough to lure homosexual men over the line, but it rarely happens today. This could be a case of it.

Fooled around with kissing but I highly doubt he has actually had sex with another man.

"He reminds me of Ben McKenzie who everyone and their cat swore was gay for years"

Everyone? Um, no. 90% of the population doesn't even know who Ben McKenzie is

"Up until 1980 or so, some women were beautiful enough to lure homosexual men over the line, but it rarely happens today. This could be a case of it."

Just keep telling yourself that. She's hardly beautiful, anyway

The wedding photos have been released.

R133, no, people knew who McKenzie was during The OC.

In any case, taking expressions too literally isn't a good look.

Hasn't he been with her since before he was famous? If he's not into women at ALL, that's a lengthy habit.

^^ Yes, they started dating before he got on Glee. She used to play in a grunge band and if I'm not mixing things up, they met through his brother who was also in a band at the time. Her father's side of the family owned or still owns some music venues in NY and maybe LA. Her mother is head of Vera Wang. Both come from rich and liberal families with ties in the arts.

In college he dated at least one of girls from Starkid.

R128: Nobody wants him to be gay, i thought reading this thread was quite clear that he is not the type of guy who has gay rumours because gays want to fuck him.

In fact it's quite surprising that he is not that well liked even he expressed his love for gays everytime (in the most phony and gaybaiting way possible)

And sorry, but the McEnzie rumours where more about him being the flavour of the month. I remember Criss making an interview before starting on Glee and most comments were about how nice that Murphy hired another gay actor to play a gay character

Maybe he is straight and people think otherwise because he is like an stereotype with legs

Thanks, R137. It certainly didn't seem like he was with her to hide. If he has fooled around with guys as rumored, then he's bisexual, and most bisexual men marry women. If she was in a grunge band, she's probably bisexual too (which may sound ridiculous, but every girl I ever knew who was heavy into grunge was bi).

R138 are you for real? thanks for the laugh.

R140: No, the laughing matter is people trying to defend how straight is Darren Criss on a gay forum. That's a joke for sure

R141 Both are funny, but why tell such ridiculous lies.

Something to improve your mood (or make you hate him even more).

R142 What lies?

There's very little interest on him here even DL loves closet cases

People think he is gay because he is stereotypically gay. He grew up in theatre and that's maybe the reason but pretend that gay rumours have something to do with gay find him hot it's absurd.

I think people would like him way more if he weren't such phony, the "i won't play more gay roles speech" was beyond pathetic

His PR people are all over this thread, lol. They don't seem to realize that the more seemingly gay a celebrity is, the more a gay gossip forum will talk about him.

Not sure why they're wasting their time. His fangirls will believe he's straight no matter what (much like Colton Haynes' fangirls before this, and Ricky Martin's fangirls before that, and George Michael's fangirls before that ), so to spend all their time on a gossip forum feels like a waste of energy. Then again, guess that's what they're paid to do. Crappy job!

R144 is posting from 1985. A lot of his fangirls especially the Glee lot fetishize him as gay and hate her guts. They would be ecstatic if he came out.

Nobody will be ecstatic if he came out, not even the good reviews to his performance and his awards made him relevant again. Glee was over long time ago and the fans moved on. Curiously he is the type of actor whose coming out wouldn't affect his career at all.

As long as he and Murphy continue to be besties he will get jobs (fortunately for him Murphy has a big deal with Netflix) but that's all, he is not going to be big no matter how much he tries

[quote] Nobody will be ecstatic if he came out, not even the good reviews to his performance and his awards made him relevant again. Glee was over long time ago and the fans moved on.

I guess you missed the threads about ACS: Versace and DLers going crazy for him showing his ass several times on the show.

[quote]Nobody will be ecstatic if he came out

He has attracted the same fanatical fangurl types as Harry Styles, who go on daily twitter rants that Management / Fox / Ryan Murphy (!) have forced him to sign a 1,000 yr contract to hide in the closet.

Let's be realistic, the fanatical fangirls are from his Glee time, he is a semipopular actor right now who is able to do a good job on theatre and tv, period

This threads humor reminds me of the old DL. It was feisty and full of one liners. Now if you try to be sarcastic people get too sensitive. Humor, Wit, etc is what initially brought me to DL.

R149, his fans are from Starkid and Glee times. The crazy Glee lot obsessively hated on his wife for years.

I was not talking about the general public who still won't know his name, or at best call him "the gay guy from... " referring to his roles.

Dearheart at R124:

He's straight.

It's understood you believe him to be gay or bi, but:

I find it funny that the new PR tactic is saying "He's straight" over and over, as if that settles all matters, lol. Sure Jan, we'll believe it just because you repeated it.

I thought the Datalounge consensus was that he's probably bi, won't bottom, and gives very enthusiastic head. But what do I know.

That consensus was about opportunistic career moves, not about his personal life. Nobody since the old Glee threads has offered credible info about the latter.

There was also an old DL mini consensus that just like Brits / Euros, half-Asians screw up the gaydar.

Don't smell like fish ta me.

Way to raise Glee manips from the dead.

Let's pretend Chord is the elusive "boyfriend" lol, he was at the wedding.

"Nobody wants him to be gay, i thought reading this thread was quite clear that he is not the type of guy who has gay rumours because gays want to fuck him."

Please, he's average looking and short. Chris Pratt is way hotter than him but no one here thinks he's gay.

R158 Chris fucking religious freak Pratt he sucks. He can take his fat ass away from Hollywood. He sucks.

R153: It's no different than your proclaiming that he's leading some mysterious lie. You want him to be gay because you're likely attracted to him. I understand. He's very attractive. Very sexy. If you don't find him attractive but believe his roles indicate otherwise, then it's called acting. Would you prefer him to be a mincing caricature or maybe a John Wayne homophobe?

Appreciate (or not) his attractiveness or his talent or his articulate manner, assign him bi/closeted/gay status, but he's straight. And, it won't end it for you, but it should.

He's straight.

R160: Thinking he is gay and wanting him to be gay are two very different things. I doubt anyone has any interest in him being gay.

In fact it's quite surprising that someone who played an iconic gay character and it's supportive (even in the phoniest ways) has such little gay following. "Straight" allies generally receive generally way more love even the ones who are as gaibaiting as Nick Jonas

If he is not gay so is Jake, Tom cruise and John Travolta.

r160, hahaha -- wrong on both counts.

I find him about as attractive as I do Clay Aiken. Which is to say, not at all. Too short for my tastes, not great teeth, and has too much of an "eager beaver" attitude.

As for your second theory, really? You think DL is stupid enough to base people's sexuality on the roles they play? Like, you know:

Fred Savage (Friends from College); Harry Shum (ShadowHunters); Jake Weary (Animal Kingdom); Adam Pally (Happy Endings); It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (Rob McElhenney); Eric Stonestreet (Modern Family); Andre Braugher (Brooklyn 99)

Have you seen endless gay rumors about any of these guys on DL? No? Okay, then. Maybe you don't know what you're talking about.

DL bases its theories on a combination of multiple inputs -- everything from weird relationships to relationship history to friend circles to social media presence to behavioral habits to past gossip. It's not an exact science. And there will probably never be a smoking gun, as people in the public eye are hyper-protective of their images. But DL definitely has strong perceptions of gayness for some actors than others (including among those that play gay roles).

I know this won't end it for you, but it should. He's gay.

Super talented guy. He’s hardly leading man material tho. Coming out wouldn’t hurt a thing about his career. I believe him when he says he straight

R163: VERY compelling arguments.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Nope, I'm not.

r160, he's not very attractive. People think he's gay because he's nelly

I think he's attractive just not in a conventional way. It's very subjective.

He's a hairy midget bi pinoy. Dime a dozen in Manila. Fraus can have him.

The real question is will Criss pull a Travolta and be in it for the long haul, or will this last less than a year?

You'd think Darren were a Scientologist.

Darren Criss "Getting Married Today" - Broadway Backwards 2019

That looks pretty gay r171. Didn't Darren Criss vow he would never play gay again?!

He can't not play gay, it's in his DNA.

He only fucks her in the ass and accepts blowjobs from her.

If he really were gay he wouldn't have been muddling up classic Sondheim lyrics the way he did. Every gay musical theatre boy I know knew Amy's patter from "Getting Married Today" by heart by the age of 23.

[quote]Didn't Darren Criss vow he would never play gay again?!

Did anyone seriously believe that? Giving up his schtick to get attention - nah.

Darren Criss must be gay or bisexual...or some kind of man who fucks men. I don't believe he's 100% straight if he can only get gay roles.

He hasn't only gotten gay roles. R177 needs to revise his "logic".

I'll say though that the gay roles he got made him famous. The straight roles, not so much.

What a queen!

Right. This setup isn't fishy at all..

She's a handsome gal but big boned.

She's shorter than him, and he's short enough already.

Reply 81- can you please come on every thread where someone insists a straight star is gay? Please. You just handed everyone their arse.

^ 20 years ago, r81 would have been insisting that Kevin Spacey was straight

Ultimately it boils down to WHO CARES about this nobody queen ??? In 5 years everyone will be "Darren who?"

This has been shared before but Darren Criss hooked up with Adam Shankman for sure. Presumably there have been some others, but I that's one I know.

And no, he isn't gay. You don't have to be gay to have fooled around with some men. (Particularly when those men happen to be prominent people in the entertainment industry).

R186 evidence?

It's called real life r187. It's an old story at this point, wish I had hotter gossip but I don't.

Real life? It's just a rumor that someone started so how is it real?

Do you, you don't have to believe me. Not believing everything you see online is a pretty solid life strategy.

We're not 20 years ago, R184, that's the whole point. Technology changed a lot about information, and society changed as well.

[quote]And no, he isn't gay.

Well, that settles that, then. R186 said he isn't gay.

If R192 has something to contribute in terms of actual information, let's hear it.