For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

I just love it that CBS cut to The Price is Right after airing his bullshit for 21 minutes.

Thank you, OP! Another excellent thread title!

He legit just said he didn’t have to do an emergency but wanted to to make it fast.

Doesn’t that negate the need for an emergency when he said he didn’t have to have one?

I’m so confused.

More than usual.

He keeps claiming that China is "paying billions" to the U.S. in tariffs. That's not how tariffs work.

Confusion, clearly, is his brand.

How anyone can listen to this man and not realize he's a fucking moron is beyond me.

He's the most toxic person I've ever observed in my life.

I've built a lot of wall.. I've built a lot of wall..

Trump says, "I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster."

I'm not sure that statement will serve him well in the court battles over this "emergency."

The low informed leading the low informed. This is the current state of the US. Idiocracy. Fucking tragic.

All this money he's getting because of the "emergency" declaration can't be touched right away, am I right?

"Sean Hannity's been a tremendous supporter of my views. Rush Limbaugh is a terrific guy. Try talking for three hours without taking a phone call."

Big man, pig man

Haha charade you are

Eh - he'll "forget" to pay the wall contractors and find a way to funnel that money into some hidden account. Asshole.

What exactly was that live abortion I just watched?

The press is pissing him off now with their questions that have facts.

The "angel moms" are out of their minds.

"I use many stats!"

"SIT DOWN!! SIT DOWN!! NEXT QUESTION!!"

He can't handle the truth when challenged about his phony stats.

He is such a pussy when challenged

Someone should ask how much executive time is scheduled for today.

I want someone to ask him about all the illegal immigrants he's employed.

What questions are they asking him?

He is a prick, R22.

R25, Why the national debt is so fucking high, for instance. But he went berserk when people were questioning his crime statistics.

There are no words for how insane he is.

He is cracking up.

He is our national emergency.

Are you all aware that Andrew McCabe effectively admitted treason in a national interview.

Did you know that the top 20 officials at the FBI have all been fired for their roles in a coup d'etat to overthrow a duly-elected President.

Our new AG William Barr is calling on Mueller to wrap it up. The worm is about to turn.

Wait and see - Bill and Hillary are going to grow "ill" very soon.

The National Emergency is IN the White House. In the rose garden, to be exact.

How many servings of Borscht does that get you, R31?

"I want to wish our new Atty General great luck and speed and enjoy your life. Bill, good luck. Tremendous reputation. I know you'll do a great job."

"Duly-elected"? Typed without a bit of irony or shred of respect for the nation that is the USA.

R31 How do you say 'fuck off troll' in Russian?

Trump said Obama told him North Korea was biggest world problem, and "I believe he would have gone to war with North Korea...he told me he was...close to starting a big war with North Korea."

Jeffrey Toobin is on again. I love him. He just blew up Trump's rationale. Trump saying "I didn't need to do this...I just wanted to move it faster..." But as I understand this, if the courts bless his actions in the face of this admission, and the facts do not justify it, then they will legitimize a fucking dictator. They will have erased any legitimate role for our Congress.

Go ahead, call me a Russian troll. You are in for some big surprises. Expect a funeral for Bill Clinton before summer. He might only be in Gitmo, but officially he will have died. Hillary may not "live" to see 2020 either. Once the Mueller probe ends with a whimper, those who tried and failed to drive Trump out of office will have to pay for their crimes.

Holy shit. It’s a National Emergency. Get my guns out. Stock up on bottled water, toilet paper and spam at Costco. Start a Facebook phone chain. Hunker down. End of the world.

How are things in Vladivostock, Boris/R39?

R39 - could you run upstairs and get me a pizza.

I'll pay.

He’s obsessed with President Obama. I admire Obama for not jacking this nitwit for all the false and nasty criticism. I wouldn’t be such a gentleman.

R39 = Pecker lashing out

r39....If you are not a Russian troll, then you are seriously one fucked up individual and need to be put on meds immediately.

He sounds like a QAnon person.

R39, you sound worried, Bro!

R45 just look at his posting history and that'll confirm how insane it is.

And let's all just ignore its posts. Not worth wasting space on these threads giving it attention.

The only thing that got the Republicans to the table to negotiate a budget bill is the outrageous news footage of all the federal workers standing in line to get food for their families. The shut down also cost us billions and damaged the economy.

The visuals and the individual stories were damning. Public opinion was against them within their own base. That's what forced a " bi-partisan negotiating team" to come up with a budget bill.

So if we are expecting the Republicans to join with Democrats over this "Constitutional crisis" ...and it is... they are not going to do it because they don't see the urgency in real time tangible terms.

We have to figure out how we get those fuckers to stand up. Because they did before ony because they were forced to. So how do we force them now?

R48, thanks. I think she needs to hire better site managers. Gay ones. The page needs work (e.g., typeface of the line at the top, the appearance of the tweets). Love her though.

Tom Nichols:

The sing-song cadence here has me really worried about him. I'm not being snarky, I'm not trying to score points, I'm not being partisan. Like, all jokes aside, by the end of this thing I am more worried about the emotional stability of the President than at any time before this.

Ms. Pence is so eager to be president when he's done nothing to deserve it. Neither has his boss, but I mean Ms. Pence is a fucking dead-inside robot.

If you have nude pics of him, please give them to the media.

La Senàtrice has spoken!

Fucking OUT that cunt, people!

Which one?

Ms. Lindsey

Ms. Pence

Martinet Cotton

Ms. gymrat Hawley (Missouri)

All of the fuckers.

This is funny.

I hope all of the sexist assholes out there remember this is partly their fault.

There are advanced Alzheimer's patients who are more coherent than this.

The patron saint of mediocre baby boomer white men, ladies and gentlemen.

Miss Trump certainly doesn't like being questioned, does she!

Ann Coulter tweets that "The only national emergency is that the President is an idiot"....lol

He is such an ignorant fool and the Senate is allowing him to destroy this country. McConnell does not like our Democracy and he is helping Trump get rid of it. Democrats talk a lot but do nothing.

Oh how I wish McCabe was successful in having Trump removed from office. If only we could go back in time.

Reading in my Fear book, by Bob Woodward, towards the end of the book he talks about a meeting Trump had with Mattis and others about North Korea and South Korea, and he was actually sharply critical of SK. He was questioning why we spent so much money, what were we doing, why was this or that necessary, etc. And MAttis told him, because Sir, we're trying to prevent WW III. But in the course of their discussion they were telling trump that certain programs we funded were very specific and gave us an edge in predicting and spying on the North because we could actually use cyber attacks, very sophisticated ones to hack their missile systems and get them to fail, etc. And all I could think after reading that, was, once again, that ever since he put Trump in the White House, Putin has had access to most of our intelligence and military capabilities at a level he never had before. So what Putin gained by putting Trump in the WH outstrips anything Trump could ever ask for.

Trumps big lie about North Korea is certainly disgusting. Why in the world doesn't President Obama set the record straight?

The media R65 should call Trump out repeatedly on this colossal lie.

Don’t forget closeted complicit confused lesbian Susan Collins

A bit from McCabe from the last thread, r63: McCabe: Sessions Said FBI Should Hire Irish 'Drunks'

In his memoir — titled “The Threat” — McCabe paints a picture of an attorney general who struggled to understand the workings of government, was unable to stay on top of his busy schedule and blamed almost all the country’s problems on immigration, Washington Post reporter Greg Miller wrote in his review of the book.

In one particularly shocking exchange, Sessions reportedly told McCabe the FBI was a better organization when “you all only hired Irishmen.” Drawing on archaic and offensive stereotypes, he clarified, “They were drunks but they could be trusted. Not like all those new people with nose rings and tattoos — who knows what they’re doing?”

Some day, Russia will offer to send us a nuclear bomb, if our government does not do exactly what they want. Trump is a traitor and cares nothing about America. His dull witted followers will never wake up...they don't want to. They have a racist in the White House and that is what they wanted.

are the Dreamers now protected?

From the last thread.....

NEWSWEEK: McCabe: Sessions Said FBI Should Hire Irish 'Drunks'

In one particularly shocking exchange, Sessions reportedly told McCabe the FBI was a better organization when “you all only hired Irishmen.” Drawing on archaic and offensive stereotypes, he clarified, “They were drunks but they could be trusted. Not like all those new people with nose rings and tattoos — who knows what they’re doing?”

Sessions is as looney-tunes as Trump, I don't know why they didn't get along:

Sessions’ views on race are described as “reprehensible” and constantly aimed to link immigration to crime. The attorney general “believed that Islam—inherently—advocated extremism,” while discussions about specific criminal suspects always began with the question, “Where’s he from?” quickly followed by, “Where are his parents from?”

Not only was Sessions outwardly ignorant about ethnic minorities, he also apparently struggled to keep up with the most basic demands of his job. The former Alabama senator—who Trump reportedly once branded “mentally retarded” and a “dumb Southerner”—had “trouble focusing, particularly when topics of conversation strayed from a small number of issues.”

McCabe also noted that electronic tablets used to deliver the daily presidential brief to Sessions came back with no sign that he had even entered the passcode to view the important document. He not only failed to read other intelligence reports but also got confused between classified material and information he read in newspaper clippings.

[quote]Don’t forget closeted complicit confused lesbian Susan Collins

That should be CONCERNED closeted complicit confused lesbian Susan Collins

Why would Bob Barr support what I am sure he realizes is a mentally unbalanced leader of the free world?? Why???

[quote]Between Thursday afternoon and Friday morning, most of the Republicans seem to have made a kind of peace with the inevitability of the president's behaving like a tinhorn. We should be accustomed to this by now. The president is going to raid the military. He is going to raid drug interdiction money. He is going to take money appropriated for one purpose and finance his own dark visions. He is lost in his own nightmares, abandoned in his own bigotry. His mind is a writhing ball of snakes. And there is nobody there to stop him. As Starbuck said of Ahab, he is a madman begetting other madmen. His speech was incoherent in thought, contemptuous of intellect, insane with bloodlust, and completely detached from anything that would be recognizable as reality even in Bedlam. Centuries after we ran a mad king off these shores, we now have one of our own.

What's wrong with drunk and honest Irishmen as long as they are hot and put out?

I want a Democratic candidate state that IF ELECTED they will release all Mueller information and reinstate any and all investigations shut down by the Trump Administration.

I want Trump on notice that if he is not elected he is not off Scott Free.

The biggest error Obama made was not letting the World Court go after W Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld for war crimes.

Obama created Mitch McConnell.

IDK if pooty has gotten all of the Intel he wants.

I have to think that after Comey's firing, the horror and fear the FBI felt must've been felt also by the agents at the CIA and the DIA. They knew he is a Russian asset.

I can't see them sharing any info with him or kushner Knowing they are all compromised.

I may be Pollyanna here but I believe the IC and our faithful Allies have been withholding critical information to protect our assets and techniques.

Would you share this info? I wouldn't. Even if it were my job. There are small ways to throw sand in the gears as a federal employee - losing papers, "forgetting" meetings, misplacing documents, sending requests up and down the bureaucracy, etc. Delay, stall and distribute half assed info.

Look, if I know this they sure as shit do. And they are probably doing it.

These fuckers have the attention span of a gnat. Once they are on to something else, they forget what they asked for.

They aren't smart. The IC is.

Meanwhile who won on the Price is Right?

Supreme Court's going to review the citizenship question on the next census that Wilbur Ross wanted. Ugh. We know how they'll rule...

Do we, R80? We’re getting expedited review of this because both sides agreed it was appropriate; the House even asked the Court to bypass the usual appeal route.

We do, R81. They'll rule for the administration.

If one of two newspapers in a certain state prints it, there will be some amazing new revelations on a particular politician. It is being highly debated. Will link if confirmed for Sunday. Not conveying the name now, but if it happens, DL will have a field, so will the media.

Um, ok, R83. Thanks a lot.

^field day

Someone please check Twitter to see what R83 is talking about. Thanks.

- Ms. Hawley.

r77....McConnell was around LONG before Obama....and was just as reprehensible as he is now....same with all those asshole GOPers...Hatch, Grassley, Sessions, Graham, McCain, etc.....they stay until they die....Hatch left because hes practically 100 and Romney wanted the job so he stepped down....Mormons keep it close.

R78, this is what I said:

"Putin has had access to most of our intelligence and military capabilities at a level he never had before. "

I agree with you that he does not have anything and everything he wants, but he has a much better idea of what we're capable of than he ever had before.

Take the example of the time in 2017,when Trump invited the Russians into the Oval office for a closed door meeting, and we later discovered that he mentioned some intel information to them, in passing, that he had learned through some confidential sources. In fact he blew their cover by confirming it. It was an extremely harmful breach that betrayed and endangered our relationship with another country's intel sharing relationship with us.

R68, that shit's explosive. Suggests of course that the fucker knew he was knowingly lying about that Russia embassy meeting that led to his recusal.

Bar looks like a bratwurst. Just grey and gross.

*Barr

Sessions has been a KNOWN racist and bigot for DECADES.

[quote]Bar looks like a bratwurst.

Thought you were talking about Barbara Bush.

Don't get sassy, sissies.

Sarah Sanders just announced she was interviewed by Mueller's team.

We will see if lying to the American people is worth anything.

good - lock her up, too. She doesn't know how to tell the truth.

Sarah Sanders is a lying cunt.

Kellyanne needs some interviewing. She's all up Trump's ass, slithering around the West Wing all day long.

Even Kellyanne knows the crusty ball of yarn is coming unraveled. She's keeping an eye on him. She'll probably be on Chris Cuomo's show tonight spewing a bunch of bullshit.

I want Vairst Letty to be interviewed.

Kellyanne slithers and leaks.

Do you think Kellyanne and her hubby have hate sex every time Trump does something stupid?

Maybe that's why she looks so god-damned exhausted all the time.

How about a fucking warning before you bring up that things sex life. Man, now I'm going to have nightmares for week.

r104 MARY!

Sorry, r104...I regretted it right after I hit post.

How ironic that this Aurora Illinois shooter incident could steal oxygen from Trump.

R104, what are your thoughts on the "Donald Trump: Raw and Insane" thread title?

R102, god no. Haven't you ever read my tweets?

Separately, I don't know what I ever saw in her.

Did anyone come up with a good answer or theory w You would think Trump would have dragged her out of the White House by her hair for betraying him and making him look like a fool in the press.

Damn. Sorry a part of my comment got deleted somehow.

Did anyone come up with a good answer or theory why Kellyane is still around Trump when she was outed to be one of the main leakers in this regime? You would think Trump would have dragged her out of the White House by her hair for betraying him and making him look like a fool in the press.

At least tell us if it's a Democrat or Republican, r83!!!

La Senatrice is going to be outed - FINALLY! I can't wait for this.

When R113? I need to have enough popcorn for this!

See above - looks like Sunday.

Donald Trump: Raw and Intense

Having already ended up bored with Vairst Letty right after having fathered his son Barron and being pissed off with his tiny mushroom manhood, Donald seeks and finally experiences new and unknown sensual sensations in the arms of Lindsey whose throbbing cock he rides raw, intense and with an unprecedented passion.

^ OMFG FFS, wrong thread!

What are you talking about r113?

Donald Trump: Raw and Intense.

Donald finds a carrot stick in his McDonalds triple order, and screams at Mick Mulvaney, who brought it into the Oval Office. "You fucking leprachaun, you fucking fucked up. What's this fucking raw carrot doing in here?"

Trump needs a good Lesbianing.

Whose going to out Graham? He's towing Trump's line.

Funny I looked up on Reddit - 8 years ago and there was massive speculation that Lindsey was about to be outed after he voted against Don't Ask Don't Tell repeal.

You know Russia has the goods on him, and I heard it's an open secret in DC. If Russia has "proof" - you can bet someone in the media has proof, too.

Ann Coulter: “The only national emergency is that our president is an idiot.”

Apologies to R61, who already posted that Coulter tweet!

Should be "who's".

Why would Russia release any info on Graham when he's Trump's ally?

Rat face Coulter and I are in agreement. My head is going to explode

Trump's presidency is a dumpster fire of ever increasing intensity and stench, and this "declaration of a national emergency but not really one," is one of the clearest indications of that so far. But we all know that, completely fucking idiotic though it is, Trump supporters and other republicans are going to swarm all over the media and social media to claim it's a brilliant and utterly necessary move, and only a communist libtard would fail to see that.

Who’s on Bill Maher’s show tonight? I’m sure he’ll play up what his 420 fuck buddy Ann Coulter said.

r125 - I didn't say Russia would release it unless miss Lindsey ventures off the reservation. What I am saying is that the media also has ways of getting this info. Maybe not exactly what Russia has, but certainly can find former tricks and/or boyfriends of La Senatrice or some confirming email. bar visit, etc.

It doesn't matter if Miss Lindsey gets outed. As long as she keeps sucking Trump's tiny mushroom penis, the deplorables of South Carolina will keep voting for our favorite Southern Belle.

I wouldn't be so sure, r130. Miss Lindsey is desperate to hide something. If he was in a loving relationship for 40 years maybe. If he was picking men up in bathrooms or engaging call boys, it might matter.

Have I mentioned how much I love Bill Weld recently?

Glad to see there is one Republican with a spine left.

I want to see those one on one primary debates.

Actually I want to see Trump fled to Russia and all his children and co-conspirators except Barron in jail, but if I can’t have that I look forward to a Boston Brahmin humiliating him.

Did you know that Bill Weld and Tuesday Weld are third cousins once removed?

This presentation of "When Trivia is Not Even Remotely Interesting" was brought to you by Dennis Miller.

Roger Stone has been gagged! In other news, I gag every time I have to look at his pinhead.

[quote]Roger Stone has been gagged!

The court's decision, or his own?

LIMITED gag. Pretty meaningless.

The gag order is irrelevant. Zippy the Pinhead's problem is is that he is facing a District of Columbia jury. None of his blatant lies are going to influence a jury expertly selected by Mueller's team.

The good news about the gag order is that Stone is fundamentally unable to obey it. I give him a week, max, before he goes on TV and starts blathering. The judge will not take kindly to it and his bail will be revoked.

We all knew Pres Bone Spurs would go off the deep end and things would get way worse before better. Well, we might be there now. Nancy played his STUPID ass to perfection, forcing him to go to extremes to get his "wall". Someone said he met his match in her. Ummm, no, he is NO match for her on her worst fucking day.

Im surprised the Judge didnt give him a partial gag order....he can say whatever he wants, just nothing pertaining to the case. There is no way in hell Stone will keep his mouth shut, and you know damn well he will attack the judge when he opens it making it worse. Its what they do....they dont know when to shut up for their own good. Like Trumps, "I dont need to do it, but I want it faster" comment.

R83, is it Miss Lindsey?

^fiddle dee dee

R83, the Post and Courier (Charleston) and the State (Columbia, SC)?

R83. It's this soon-to-be-indicted asshole, isn't it?

Judge Amy is handling him with kid gloves. And Manafort, too. If I were in her place, I'd be reading those two fuckers the riot act like Judge Judy. They'd get no latitude with me.

r84 no, not this one

r114 got 1/2

It is under debate to go with it. Not trying to be coy at all. The info. was a controversy by two papers who would run the story. No content was shared other than it was revealing. I don't know details. The papers are owned by same company. Maybe it will be simultaneous, if at all. Wherever it is, it would be state/local.

Mean r145; then r145

sorry.

r146; r145

Sorry, again. flu

so r148, you may not be at liberty or even know the details, but you implied in an earlier post that Datalounge would find this story very interesting. Do you at least know who is the subject of the story?

Who besides Graham or Jr. would DL have a field day with?

agree r152 - or Cheetolini himself.

Since it is a state thing, it's likely La Senatrice or McTurtle. It could also be Susan Collins - there are only two newspapers of record in Maine - Portland Press Herald and the Bangor Daily News.

well if it is SC, the three biggest newspapers are all owned by different companies.

The Maine newspapers are also owned by different companies.

Kentucky (home of Mitch McConnell) only has the Louisville paper.

Is it possible that the papers are not located in the state this person hails from?

Stone has been directly linked to WikiLeaks. Stone has been directly linked to Trump. Wikileaks to Guccifer And Russia.

Conspiracy to defraud an American election, PROVEN.

Why are we assuming the person the story is about is a Republican?

Just sayin'

Isnt it ironic that the time frame for Sarah Sanders interview with Mueller coincides with her press briefings becoming virtually non existent ?

I thought the mysterious poster was once again falsely alleging that Hillary abs Obama did something that will be revealed, a freaky QAnon pizzagate type post.

Obviously this is about Obama returning to his old career as a gay prostitute.

R83/R150, R145 and R146 are the same

At first I called him the Orange Goblin which is an apt moniker for him, but now I refer to him as The Petulant Man Child in Chief.

Plus today I was saying, he's married to a former whore, he think McDonald's is high cuisine, and he cannot string together a sentence that makes it sound like he's got more than a 4th grade education.

I had to physically restrain myself from rear ending the brand new, life size HotWheels truck I saw today. No license plate yet, but a fresh TRUMP/PENCE sticker. About 45 min after today's Rose Garden Shit Show.

Original poster is not the same as Mystery poster saying the debate is between two newspapers. It would surprise me if Russia ordered the trolls to spread info they hacked from someone’s phone this weekend to deflect from the truly insane and treasonous behavior of the republicans

OMG Ari had Senator Blumenthal for Fallback Friday.... WTF.

So they found a couple of cadets to #MeToo Miss Lindsey?

She could NEVER decide which of the two of them was more handsome!

R150, please double check?

Damn, I am forcing myself to listen to his EMERGENCY announcement. What a weird and stupid, rambling, needy old fool. Bopping around, filled with lies and constant self pity and then shifting to ridiculous self-aggrandizement. Is this bitch 15 years old? It is amazing that everyone on that lawn isn't either bursting out laughing at the stupid crazy lies or just shaking their heads at the sadness of it all. And then he steps on his own dick and declares that he doesn't actually have to declare this Emergency, he's just an impatient toddler who WANTS IT NOW DAMMIT. Dumbest bitch to ever hold that office, or probably any office. And then he starts bragging about how many Foxbots love him. It really is amazing, or would be if we hadn't had 3 years of this nonsense.

It’s probably news Corp rags NY post and the Boston herald fighting over who gets to spread lies about Hillary

[quote] He legit just said he didn’t have to do an emergency but wanted to to make it fast.

MSNBC is making much of this, but I think it’s the weakest of many arguments. Dummy’ advocate:

“I meant that it was such an emergency, that it required fast action. It could have been done through the legislative process, but it is too much of an emergency to wait for that.”, that kind of thing.

They all lie because the Russian oligarchs have told them that their families will be murdered if they don't lie. It's how its done.

He's just so hopelessly damaged. He's always got to believe two things: Everyone is out to get him and unfairly preventing him from getting what he wants because they're all just haters. At the same time, he always gets what he wants because he's awesome and his awesomeness cannot be denied and everyone folds cause he's the greatest. That is why he is constantly stepping on his own dick. It's an emergency cause haters. But don't worry, he was already getting what he wants and building WALL, which maybe built but invisible, like those planes, cause awesome!

Rachel is on fire tonight. Damn. The Roger Stone strand of the investigation and the GRU indictments have been fused together...and linked directly to Trump. And then Michael Cohen... Good lord!!! If the media handles this right and headlines this and pounds away for the next few weeks Trump's presidency is dead in the water. Between Stone and Cohen, he is over. And Congressman Cummings is saying more lawyers lied to cover up hush money payments. He wants the White House Counsel to know and he released letters to the media. Wow. Happy Friday!!!!

Turn her on so she can tell us what was REVEALED by Mueller in Manafort's sentencing recommendation. Trump is testing the whole State of emergency declaration thing and trying to bypass Congress, especially Pelosi, so he can get ready for when the indictments rain down like fire and brimstone on him, Jared, Donnie, Jr. Ivanka, and I'm thinking Bannon, Parscale, Cambridge Analytica and several other people including members of Congress and the White House staff.

[quote] R50: The only thing that got the Republicans to the table to negotiate a budget bill is the outrageous news footage of all the federal workers standing in line to get food for their families.

I don’t think so. I think it was the (informally) striking air traffic controllers as well as one other group that I forget, teachers, maybe? They disrupted flights at LaGuardia and elsewhere, and were going to expand their strike. The very next day, Trump caved.

The Republicans don’t like it when you hurt commerce and cost companies money. I think that did it.

[quote] R65: Why in the world doesn't President Obama set the record straight?

Because that gives Trump someone to fight with. Trump will make up Obama quotes, then argue against the lies he just made up.

R173, your're right. The air traffic controllers and TSA workers were the final straw. Absolutely. But I still feel like the bad optics and the hard luck stories on the nightly news sort of set the table too, and definitely had an impact on the public opinion polls. Congress was influenced by their corporate benefactors calling and bitching about the airports. You have pointed out the main instigators.

I really hope the day Trump is removed from office Obama bleeds him dry by suing him for his accusation that Obama had directly ordered wire tapping devices to be installed at Trump Tower.

I want Trump Tower to be seized.

Something to ponder.....

Turtle Man & Rebekah?

The Roger Stone news tonight is not getting nearly enough attention. Good lord. Don’t people realize this proves collusion with the Trump campaign, and all they have to do is prove Trump knew about and encouraged it?

This is HUGE.

[quote]. Trump is testing the whole State of emergency declaration thing and trying to bypass Congress, especially Pelosi, so he can get ready for when the indictments rain down like fire and brimstone on him, Jared, Donnie, Jr. Ivanka, and I'm thinking Bannon, Parscale, Cambridge Analytica and several other people including members of Congress and the White House staff.

I’m not pickin’ up what you’re puttin’ down here. Trump is testing the National Emergency thing because... why? How does that tie into future indictments?

I’ve always thought, and still believe, that the wall funding national emergency was Trump desperately trying to hang on to the support of his base because if he loses them, he loses the GOP Senate, and he’ll be convicted by them and removed.

Miss Lindsay is a cross dresser. Especially loves black stockings, garters and heels.

Just FYI nation wide marches are happening on Monday to protest this fake crap. His behavior and the republicans refusal to act show clearly Mercer, the Koch bros, McConnell et al are forging ahead with their plans to turn us into a theocracy. The only why we win this is people power. Yes I know you are tired. That's by design. They are destroying our constitutional norms. The more numb and passive we are, the easier they will strip us of our humanity.

Trump has to create chaos around himself all the time. It is the only way he can function. It is the only thing he likes. He's too stupid to actually make a reasonable deal with reasonable people. He can only keep creating ever more crises, and always being at the center of those crises. It is winning in his mind. This will never end until the Republican Senate grows a spine, and that may never happen. They are terrified of his stupid bloodthirsty base, because they deep down understand that they helped create that stupid bloodthirsty base, and now they are stuck with them. And him. It is quite the dilemma. The whole damn party has to be disbanded and started over if we are ever to have normal government again.

Three things. I want the House to vote on Trump's National Emergency. If the House votes on it, the Senate is forced to vote on it. Make those GOP SOBs put their vote out in public. So many like Susan Collins are "greatly concerned." Let's see if your vote is aligned with your concern. Will be great to campaign against those votes in 2020.

Have listened to parts of Trump's speech today. Damn, it's hard to listen to. Makes me cringe that he is so off the rails. His sing-song about the legal path of his National Emergency went on for fucking forever. Was really cringe worthy at the end as it kept going on and on and it was like listening to someone mentally unstable ranting and feeling bad for how bad their mental illness was.

There is always a tweet. Chuck Todd showed a great clip of Pence talking about how bad one of Obama's National Emergency was. Pence said Obama needed to work with the duly elected congress to pass legislation and how Obama's National Emergency was a power grab. Need to keep playing that clip over and over.

trump is crazy as a loon and pure evil. Anyone who supports him is too.

He did this today because it appears shit IS getting real. The shit that came down today about Manafort and Stone with the timing of this National Emergency is not a coincidence. Time up and he knows it?

lmfao Trump declares an emergency and then goes to Florida for golfing!

sounds like an emergency situation to me

I think we discovered the reason Lindsey Graham is so far up trumps ass....and the reason he took all that Russian money.....Chistian Ferry is Grahams campaign manager.

goes with r189.....

I tried to tell you that Graham is being blackmailed be Putin...so is McConnell.

Temp is waiting for a kickback from the Wall. That is why he is so insistent about it being built. I assume the FBI know that, if I know that.

Too bad, it is going to be a nice weekend in Florida.

And he has repeatedly said he will use Chinese steel for his wall....which he uses it in all his projects.....even though he awarded a contract for Russian steel....like he did with the Keystone pipeline after declaring it would use American steel.

Can you imagine if any other President was getting kickbacks for projects....all hell would have broken loose and they would have been impeached immediately....Democrat or Republican. The closest it has come to this is Cheney and Halliburton....but even Cheney at least resigned his post to claim some distance....not much since he owned a huge chunk of stock...but at least he made an attempt.

Trump is just a lowlife grifter with his hand out.

Disgusting Cheney was a crook of the highest order...Trump is a big zero.

[quote]I want Trump Tower to be seized.

And renamed The Obama Federal Building.

[quote] Temp is waiting for a kickback from the Wall.

R191, who's Temp?

I keep having this fantasy that all the corrupt GOP Senators will be exposed for their criminal behavior in the coming months, and they’ll have to resign in disgrace and their states will have to hold special elections to replace them, and Democrats will win those elections, and then Trump can be immediately impeached and convicted...

It could happen, right?

I keep fantasizing of GOP senators Sasse and Hawley being removed from office and then saying goodbye to reach other by getting it on in the Senate gym's steam room. Bareback of course.

Yes r199, it could happen, but I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.

It really does seem like things are about to break -of course it will likely be another two years of court battles but the stain will have tainted the republicans so badly it won’t matter much

Ultimately, I still feel that we will have to take care of this "Trump situation" ourselves, by voting him out of office in 2020.

Love this...

Love it r204. Made me think of this

Lé Sénatrice's favorite food is Spanish.

Gators in South Carolina marinated in orange. More Trump fans?

Maybe the gators have our dear leader's good Gene's, r207!

Hush up you little trollop! You know Trump's been crawling through the same rusty sewer pipes as those reptiles!

Jesus lurvs ya, bitchesssss!

NATIONAL EMERGENCY UPDATE

Washington Post: ‘A recipe for disaster’? Trump’s border emergency drags the GOP into a risky fight ahead of 2020

They avoid public view, but still are quite connected to what has happened.

R213 thank you!!!! I started it, will finish it later.

Mike Pence doesn't get the applause he's expecting in Germany:

Video

I'm now picturing Mike and the Germans having a Joan and Christina moment.

We are entering the era of Democratic Investigations into Republican Corruption.

McConnell, Graham, Burr, Barr, etc. are placed in strategic roles to terminate the prosecution of this corruption. Rough ride ahead. Hopefully, Putty's Western fiefdom, and his assets, tumble.

I'm disappointed that some foreign country hasn't taken down Trump yet. We know that several members of NATO have the goods on Trump from their spy agencies. Why haven't they leaked what they know? My thought is that they don't want to expose what their techniques for spying on the US and the level of detail they have but if now isn't the time to blow that all to bits, then when is? We know that some foreign country has the recordings of Trump with Putin in Argentina and other places they have met the past two years.

r220, if a country were to try to take down Trump how long do you think it would take for Trump to fuck with them economically?

No, instead, and we have seen this already, other countries Intelligence Agencies are forwarding their information directly to the CIA and FBI. As for Trump's unsecured phones...they are all monitored by foreign intelligence. It all goes to the CIA/FBI. When the Netherlands and Germany send them phone recordings between Stone and Assange, it is corroborated evidence. To give one plausible example.

And the most amazing thing is that Mueller indicted Stone without ever interviewing him. THE LIES WERRE SO WELL DOCUMENTED.

Will Joe be devastated if he announces a 2020 run and we all go "Meh, Thanks, but we prefer Kamala." No one I know is excited about a Bidden run. Are people begging him to get into the race? I think he was a good Vice President (Hillary would have been better) and thank him for his service but he's 76. I think its time for some new blood. If age isn't an issue, why aren't we begging Hillary to run again. She's younger and we actually know she can beat Trump because she did by 3 Million votes. So why would we want Joe to run but not Hillary? For the record, I'm a huge Hillary fan but don't think she should run either.

r211 Is that really a WADDED UP PROSTATE EXAM GLOVE on the chair in the Mar el Lago golf course dining room?

The Breakfast Room at Mar-a-Lago now resembles those in a Marriott Residence Inn.

r223, maybe Trump was treating his doctor to a free breakfast buffet for lying about his weight and health.

I'm not so sure, R82.

I mean yeah, I totally get the cynicism, but Roberts has been generating some surprising decisions lately.

According to a constitutional law expert I saw on MTP yesterday, the Supreme Court is not likely to rule against Trump, not for ideological reasons but because it's up to Congress to restrain Trump's use of the emergency powers law, not the SC.

That omelette bar looks terribly cheap. Tacky as fuck.

How many omelettes will Plump eat now that the annual medical is done with?

r227, the Supreme Court is there to rule on the laws as written and their constitutionality, not rubber stamp everything a President wants. Your friend doesn't sound like he understands the legal system or checks and balances.

Also MTP is on Sundays, not Fridays, Svetlana.

r230......Chuck Todd hosts MTP Daily on MSNBC at 5pm....right after Nicole Wallace.

[quote]No one I know is excited about a Bidden run.

Anita Hill is waiting by the phone.

Still.

Trump doesn’t waste empty calories on the egg part of an omelet. He just gets a giant plate of shredded cheese and chunks of ham.

Trump is looking for a kickback...I hope the FBI will be able to locate it...if he ever builds his wall.

To the lazy assholes who couldn't be bothered to check it out - you know, just to make sure they didn't embarrass themselves - before attacking me, here's a link to constitutional law expert's Robert Tsai's discussion with Chuck Todd on MTP yesterday, Feb. 15, 2019, about the likely Supreme Court ruling re Trump's use of the emergency powers law.

Not our class, dear

I was gonna say that that omelette bar looks cheap as hell. Certainly not worth 250k worth. Our local restaurants have better set ups.

[quote] R220: Why haven't they leaked what they know?

Your idea is good. And, there’s also retaliation. Even indirect retaliation, like a withdrawal from NATO.

R221 was good, too.

Chuck is a Republican and he puts Republicans on his panel but congress is suppose to control the moron, and they never have. We can not see the future.

Wtf is an omelette bar? I know what it is but have never heard of a bar just for omelette.

I know it’s petty, but I can’t stop staring at that omelet bar picture. It looks like a VFW Hall in a failed steel town in Western Pennsylvania.

Guess who's paying for that omelette(s) and everything else he charges at Mar-a-Lago?

By the way, did we ever find out how much he weighs by now? Is he still pre-obese?

No, he's now officially obese -- which the rest of us knew all along. That quack said that he wanted the fat pig to lose weight -- so tRump did just the opposite. I mean Donnie "Two Scoops" eats tons of junk food and doesn't exercise. Hell, he doesn't even like to walk. Perhaps at some point in the near future this beached whale will just keel over.

My local Whole Foods here in DC has an omelette bar, staffed, of course, by Latino immigrants.

Heather Nauert, President Trump's choice for UN ambassador job, withdraws in surprise move.

Stupid bimbo Heather Nauert has a nanny problem. I'm shocked!

R240, an Omelette Bar is a weekend brunch option when Once Around the Garden is too much.

So is Joy in for Rachel on Prez' Day?

Nanny prob makes sense. I had hoped she caught wind of some big Mueller move coming up.

R83, any news?

Various suits are being filed so it will be up to the courts lower courts first, to decide whether the grounds for the lawsuits are justified. They're coming at him from all different directions. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to directly challenge a President's ability to declare an emergency.

But he has not made a very good case. For instance, one of the justifications for the wall, was to halt the flow of drugs. But there is a record of how drugs come in and the wall will not stop them. But the funds to stop the flow of drugs is one of the pots of money he is reaching for.

So on one hand he talks about how dangerous the drug situation is then he reduces the funding for it. There are other instances. States are coming after him on various grounds too.

SCOTU may upholds his right to declare emergencies, but they can also say that he doesn't have the right to bypass Congress. So they can both uphold his right, and deny it. LOL! So, "yeah you can call it an emergency, but you can't have any money."

That is what makes this so unique. No other President did this. The closest was Truman and the Court told him he was wrong. He wanted to stop the steelworkers strike because it would impact our ability to prosecute the Korean War. Congress told him he couldn't do it, and he did it anyway. SCOTUS told him he was wrong.

In our Constitution it specifically states that Congress appropriates money. When Congress tells him this is all your getting, then he can't simply declare an "emergency" to bypass them and take money from other programs. And his case for justifying it is so weak it's embarrassing. He is so sure of himself he has been sloppy and careless about building his case, legally, and it's pretty insulting that his lies are so transparent.

The omelette bar looks like an afterthought. It's probably an ice cream bar the rest of the week.

So if you really need to know, an omelette bar is a cook with various omelette ingredients ready for,you to tell him what you want in your omelette.

I like mushrooms and ham and cheese on mine.

I sent a note to my republican senators asking them for an update on the national emergency since its been over 24 hours and we haven't had an update from the president who was last seen at an omelette bar decked out in his golf attire. I'll probably get a form letter back telling me how important it is to secure our borders.

Tell our senators if they want to secure the borders and they're serious, there is modern technology available now that can do a better job and is more cost effective. This wall was obsolete years ago.

I think ICE is the 21st century version of a gestapo like force, they are racist, brutal and despicable. Completely out of control.

Dead silence in Germany when Pence sends greeting from Trump.

How sweet of you to let us know, Sarah Sanders @ r253

But that omelette bar looks more like the "heart shaped balloon" bar left over from the 14th.

Thank god Heather Nauert is out. She looked good on camera but nominating her for UN Ambassador was almost as mortifying as Matt Whitaker for AG.

[quote]He is so sure of himself he has been sloppy and careless about building his case, legally, and it's pretty insulting that his lies are so transparent.

A sentence which epitomises Trump's lifelong modus operandi.

Pollster Pat Caddell died.

I read that one of Pence's aides, Josh Pitcock, was a key transition official, but he left the Vice President's staff just six months into the Vice Presidency. Allegedly, Pitcock has been interviewed by the special counsel's office.

Jared Kushner has a high security clearance even while he overlooks the murder of Kashoggi by his good buddy MBS, his financial dealings can't bear too close scrutiny, and his balls are in a vice held by the Russians, but, it's a question of whether Nauert can obtain one over a "nanny" issue.

Don't get me wrong. To describe her as "mediocre" would be too kind, but still.

I agree, Della. Nanny problems are so 1990s. Considering what some of these people with security clearances have done (or been alleged to have done) -- Whitaker, KavaNOPE, and Kush spring to mind -- it is surprising that anyone would either ask or care about a nanny issue.

It almost seems quaint by comparison to the monstrous crimes that tRump and his associates have been committing.

And r263, when it's time to get around to it, I would expect Speaker Pelosi to have a House committee inquire of the FBI if their investigators on the security clearance beat are just as inquisitive of male fathers up for an appointment or job about a "nanny" issue as they are of females.

Well, I'm marching tomorrow. And I urge anyone else who can, to show up, even if it's just for a short time.

A nanny problem? Puhleeeze, the news has been full of stories about undocumented workers at all the Trump properties. Something else is up.

r265, what march is happening tomorrow?

[quote] I would expect Speaker Pelosi to have a House committee inquire of the FBI if their investigators on the security clearance beat are just as inquisitive of male fathers up for an appointment or job about a "nanny" issue as they are of females

Della, having worked in this area for the Clinton and Obama administrations, I can tell you that the FBI pretty much asks the same set of questions to everyone, male or female. They have a formula and a script, and they stick pretty close to it. That, however, was a large part of the problem with the background investigations into Kavanaugh, for example. The FBI sticks to a pre-ordained plan, which does not allow for them to do much of a real investigation and only provides them with leads if the "clues" are handed to them on a silver platter.

But, to your question, yes, one of the issues that they ask everyone about is domestic help. Over the course of 10 years, I've probably read close to 600 FBI background investigations. They ask everyone.

Oh.

Thank You, r268.

I was at a dinner party last night in D.C. and there was a CNN producer there. He was saying shit like Trump will absolutely be re-elected in 2020, that the F.B.I. “over-reached” in their multiple investigations, that Don Jr. and Jared will not be indicted, and that we basically know everything that Mueller knows at this point. It was like a greatest hits of GOP talking points. And he was very emphatic and defensive about all these claims when I challenged him on them. I told him that no one fucking knows all of what Mueller knows at this point. He wasn’t expecting all the many facts I had to back myself up with. It was kind of hilarious seeing him squirm and spin.

I mean, I already thought that CNN was bullshit but this was some next-level propaganda he was peddling at a dinner table.

Am I reading you correctly, r270? That I'm seeing that you wrote "CNN" and not "Fox"?

Anyway, I've already conditioned myself not to, unlike many, expect Mueller to come along like Santa Claus and drop a sack full of evidence that supports that Trump committed "high crimes and misdemeanors" ; and by the way how is that term defined?

Don't get me wrong. Do I think that Trump is, in fact, an unindicted criminal? Do I believe that Mueller will believe based upon the evidence, that Trump committed conspiracy with the Russians and perpetrated financial crimes? Of course and thank goodness for the SDNY and NY investigating Trump and Family.

But, that's different from the criminal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt and a US Senate trial. I think the expectations of many that Mueller will dump material that will be beyond argument are way too high.

Still, to believe that CNN guy would mean that someone and/or persons on Mueller's staff is blabbing and leaking and I can't, and don't want to, believe that.

R271, yes, I did mean CNN, not Fox. He made some vague references to F.B.I. sources, however, when pressed, I made him admit that he has no inside sources into Mueller’s team so he ultimately knows nothing about that.

Whew, r272.

This just furthers my theory that CNN really is no better than Fox. Both ought to be dropped, although it's too late.

Just one word to Jim Jordan now on This Week.....

Jim Jordan needs to retire and hand out jock straps to college wrestlers who are about to be buggered by their coaches.

He truly is a special kind of perv.

I guess r83’s post about an article on a politician coming out today didn’t come to pass. I would have loved to see Miz Graham go down.

There is so much grift and lies and corruption it's infuriating. I wish some beltway insiders would weigh in with their thoughts about Mueller's timing.

What are the chances his report will be thwarted and or suppressed by AG Barr? Can the SDNY bring the hammer down?

CNN will have Trump rehabilitation Tuesday as they always do. CNN loves Trump attacking them. It enhances their ratings. They don't want the Trump shitstorm to go away. And with their "both sides" debates/presentations, CNN has hired some commentators with records of being very anti-gay rights. In the 2016 VP debates, CNN did not ask Pence one question about his aggressive anti-gay record. CNN loves racial discord and airplane crashes.

Fox is nothing but propaganda for Trump/Republicans from the tabloid peddler, multi-billionnaire Murdoch.

S. E. Cupp? Chuck Todd? Hugh Hewitt? MSNBC has them too.

S.E. Cupp is not on msnbc. She has a show on another network (the one that plays Forensic Files marathons).

[quote]S.E. Cupp

She makes my skin crawl, and I have to turn CNN off whenever she appears.

A stupid cunt named Bronwen Maddox claimed yesterday on the BBC’s Dateline London panel show that there was a “high probability” Trump would be re-elected. Has she even heard of Robert Mueller and the SDNY?

R277 The Charleston Post & Courier, The State, and the Greenville News, did not publish a story on the subject matter today.

If Trump is still in power by the 2020 election it's Putin who will re-elect Trump through another election fraud not because of US citizens voting for Trump.

R278, IMO, that's the whole problem and why this is taking so long. It's just one criminal act after another. When one is uncovered, another one is discovered. There's just so much corruption and illegal activity that has gone on, decades of it, that it will take years to get to the bottom of it all.

The trolls are out in force today with Trump will be re-elected posts and anti-CNN posts.

Is "re-elected" short for no ethical election oversight and more hackable electronic voter machines?

And yet nobody is mentioning how the Russian economy is tanking and the Russian people are shifting AGAIN!

Please, R288, report for us. Give links—I have nothing else to do with my Sunday afternoon except procrastinate.

R286, I am not an “anti-CNN troll.” I was passing along what I heard directly what I heard from a CNN producer’s mouth. It was shocking to me how ill-informed someone who is supposedly in the news business could be. Calling out CNN for their blatant bothsiderism and their Trump propping (as well as Rehabilitstion Tuesday) is not trolling, dear.

I’m beginning to think that the accusation trolls are the real trolls AKA your ass.

I have had my weak moments in this long long investigation by Meuller and have waivered that Trump will brought to justice. I never turn on Fox and very seldom listen to CNN but on Friday night my faith was renewed that Trump and his circle of hellish characters will be brought down by Mueller by watching Rachel and Lawrence with the news that that scum head Manafort will be going to prison for the rest of his life. And second that Mueller has the goods on Stone that he and Guciffer 2.0 and Wikileaks were all in bed together. It's will happen I strongly believe it. Trump will not survive this year.

[quote]The trolls are out in force today with Trump will be re-elected posts and anti-CNN posts.

Those are two different subject matters. The former has been in the news, and a few posters were exposing it.

Posters critiquing Jeff Zucker's, CNN CEO, marketing methodology and his staff anchors, are not necessarily from 'Russher' or domestic right-wing organizations.

You trying to control conversation is troll behavior.

r288 My theory is that the trolls too limited in English language competency who were rejected for duty in 2015-6 are now doing the work of the better educated. Lower pay, and many, many North Americans are now aware of their existence and subterfuge.

CNN sucks. Give me the holy trifecta of Jill, Barbara McQuade and Joyce Vance on MSNBC

Jill Wine-Banks was wearing an octopus pin on today’s AM Joy this morning. She said that it represents the many tentacles of the Trump investigations.

Sometimes I just like shouting out FIGLIUZZI!!!

Why did Trump give his National Emergency speech in a sing-song voice?

Someone-on-Quora-asked-the-question-Why-Do-British-People-NOT-Like-Trump-One-response-goes-viral:

A few things spring to mind…

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

rump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think

‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’

is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form;

He is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

‘My God… what… have… I… created?

Psychotic people often devolve into rhymey sing-song cadences.

r297, Pick up your old copy of Sibyl and reread her mother making a salad.

R215 and R256 I've watched that clip multiple times.

Hilarious! Pence looks wounded and befuddled by the stony silence!

I am really tired of the term "troll" being thrown out at the drop of a hat. It is a facile claim that tends to stifle a discussion.

With regard to the substance of the CNN producer's assertions, they are laughable. Junior Mint lied to Congress. Hell, he and his father were caught concocting a story to explain away the tRrump Tower meeting. Mueller is not going to indict that fucking little weasel until near the end of the investigation. Mueller knows that the minute that he does, all hell will break loose. The same with Kush, who is up to his beady eyeballs in corruption and crime. But the suggestion that either one escapes indictment is absurd.

As to tRump being reelected, that is insane. He wasn't elected in the first place. Sufficient Russian interference in the months leading up to the election, and then a few well-placed hacks to push three states over into Cheatolini's column secured Putin the win that he wanted.

Donnie Two Scoops is hated and reviled. Poll numbers certainly indicate that, but the best evidence is the results of the mid-term elections. Rethugicans lost in places that should be very troubling for them. I cannot believe that there is a single blue state that Hillary won that will flip to tRump -- or whoever the Repuke nominee may be next year. However, based on the results from November 2018, the Dotard will have an extremely difficult time holding on to Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Hell, the Democratic nominee could concentrate on those states and the Democratic voters in the rest of the country would be fine with it. "Stay there; don't both with the West Coast or the Northeast. We've got your back -- just get rid of tRump."

If Drumpf is still on the ballot in 2020, there is no way that he would ever be elected -- unless Putin works his magic one more time. But this may be too big of a challenge even for that POS.

[quote] I am really tired of the term "troll" being thrown out at the drop of a hat. It is a facile claim that tends to stifle a discussion.

A discussion about what exactly? Both side-ism? Dems being worse than the Republicans? Thanks Obama for all of this shit right now?

Remember how CNN pooh-poohed the 2018 election results? Jake Tapper opining that "it was not a blue wave"?

That said, I don't think we can discount the possibility of Trump getting re-elected. We know that the GOP, Faux News, right wingers, Russia and other external interests, will buy, lie, cheat, manipulate, propagandize, do anything to get their way. The lies and manipulations worked once, why wouldn't they work again given 35% of the electorate not only isn't bothered by any Trumpist corruption and illegalities but openly cheer when he breaks precedent and law.

The thing is that the right wing media no longer controls the narrative. Back in 2016 a lot of Liberals believed the media's lies about why Hillary lost and then new information kept pouring in until it was clear that the media sold us some bullshit to legitimize Trump and how he won. The same media bullshit will not work in 2020. The general public no longer trusts news media and social media (like, facebook).

When I start to think this will never end or end in the way that is fair I think of this. Robert Mueller didn't have to come out of retirement. The people he hired left very lucrative positions at high powered law firms to work on this case. They didn't do this to spend two years working on a case that would be buried by the AG. They all did this because they saw something that made them think this was the case of the century. And they are going to want their work public. As far as I know, none of Mueller's hires have started and then saw that there was nothing there and gone back to the private sector. I know it is hard to wait but there is a lot to put together. I think we're going to start seeing real movement in the next two weeks.

[quote] A discussion about what exactly? Both side-ism? Dems being worse than the Republicans? Thanks Obama for all of this shit right now?

Eye-roll. Sigh. No. The perfect example is from this morning: R286 suggesting that R270 is a troll for reporting on what a CNN producer said to him:

[quote] The trolls are out in force today with Trump will be re-elected posts and [bold] anti-CNN posts. [/bold]

It is silly and unproductive, and sends people off into silly, unproductive discussions about trolls. Yes, there are trolls who try all the things that you suggest. But there are other people who get slammed with that moniker for no reason at all. R286 was simply reporting what he had heard. Instead of devolving into a discussion of whether he is a troll -- which was completely unnecessary -- we could avoid that and just talk about the substance of what he said. That's it. He wasn't being trollish.

At this point, we should all be able to spot them without someone telling us. It's best anyway if the real ones are ignored.

[quote] It is silly and unproductive, and sends people off into silly, unproductive discussions about trolls.

Spreading misinformation is unproductive. Trolling is unproductive.

At least sharing gossip has some entertainment value.

There's lots of time still between now and "Voting" Day: if facts are all it takes to shut up most echo-chamber parrots squawking out their fed talking points, collect and assemble those facts and prepare to release them when needed. In my experience most of the time they shut up. If the questions are asked on public online forums, lurkers will see them and possibly reflect on them, or gather up those questions to use on the people they interact with in real life.

Sorry, at least sharing ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY gossip has some entertainment value.

The right wing media and the trolls will very likely flood the airwaves and the internet with lies to manipulate public opinion right around the election. That's a given.

[quote] Spreading misinformation is unproductive. Trolling is unproductive.

You're not going to give this up. I never said it wasn't unproductive. But so is calling out people who are not really trolls, and using that as a way to end a legitimate discussion -- the way someone tried to do with R270. You are attempting to convert what I said into something that it is not.

How about betting the True Believers with money that they can't either stay away from Fox News and other RW propaganda outlets or limit themselves to reading news from global news syndicate sources? Sixty to ninety days off their poisonous media diet may effect positive change in their minds and attitudes and wallets.

[quote] You are attempting to convert what I said into something that it is not.

No, you want to tell others what they should consider part of a productive discussion and what is not. You can make that decision for yourself, but not for others.

R313, that’s a good suggestion but they won’t do it because they believe all mainstream news reporting is “fake news”, and that includes the AP, BBC, Reuters, etc.

[quote]There is so much grift and lies and corruption it's infuriating. I wish some beltway insiders would weigh in with their thoughts about Mueller's timing.

They have no insight because no one from his team leaks—not to Congress, not to interns, not to friends and family. The only thing we have to go on are the sealed court filings. One can speculate which ones are from the Special Counsel.

There is one clue we have for this month: the postponement of Cohen’s Congressional testimony until the end of this month. That was done at the request of Mueller.

Indictments are likely coming before March.

Question for the person upthread who had the encounter with the CNN producer: did you get his name? You need to email him when the indictments are handed down and he’s proven completely wrong about the Mueller report, Trump’s culpability, Kushner/Jr, and all the rest of it.

In my opinion it’s really important to constantly remind these people how wrong they’ve been every step of the way.

The court filing Friday that shows Mueller has proof that Stone was in contact with WikiLeaks and the Russian GRU after denying it for so long, is VERY significant. It cannot be overstated. That IS collusion between the campaign and the Russian hackers, for god’s sake. And Stone lied about it, showing consciousness of guilt.

What r307 and r312 said.

r315 People can be deprogrammed, the tiny hole where doubt can creep in just needs to be found. I'd be ashamed if I learned that my one and only info feed was not actually licensed to broadcast news. and that I was emotionally manipulated by heavily edited and biased coverage

They’re too stupid to realize it, R318. They don’t understand the distinction.

[quote]The same media bullshit will not work in 2020. The general public no longer trusts news media and social media (like, facebook).

I think you vastly overestimate the intelligence of the American public. Most people still get their news from Facebook, even if polls say they're now more skeptical of what they see on the platform. I still see lots of people in my feed swallowing hogwash -- no critical thinking at all.

Well if we want to peel away some of Trump's support we need to find some of those re-programming people who save cult members who have been mind fucked.

[quote] No, you want to tell others what they should consider part of a productive discussion and what is not. You can make that decision for yourself, but not for others.

Which is of course, not at all what I said. You thought that my original comment was defending trolls and suggesting that what they had to say -- no matter how ridiculous it was -- was worthy of discussion. When I explained that I was speaking about spurious claims of someone being a troll, you doubled back and once again tried to make it seem as if I was defending trolls. Wrong again. Your latest gambit is to turn my observation into a dictate. Lord you are tiresome. So, just to be clear, you think that indiscriminately calling people trolls, whether their comments legitimately warrant that handle or not, is OK. Got it.

And, thank you, Della.

You're welcome, r322.

Anyway, I am very fearful that Trump will be re-elected. It's true he's hated. The polls and election results since his election prove that.

But, he's also proven that he can insinuate himself into the amygdala, via the hippocampus and prefrontal cortex, of Americans. I'm serious.

I have no faith that even Americans who honestly, rationally hate and are sickened by Trump will STILL vote for him because somehow Trump and the Repugs will make the Dems seem like something even more to be feared than 4 more years of that gelatinous sloth of ignorance and incompetence that is Trump.

I hated typing those words, but, right now, it's how I think and feel.

Mueller subpoenas 2nd former Cambridge Analytica employee

Leah Remini needs to help trump victims. She can help some of them find their way out of the cult.

I don’t care how you think or feel, Della/R323. Pay attention to THE FACTS. Pay atention to WHAT’S HAPPENING. The Traitor-in-Chief is GOING DOWN.

The wall money is being yanked from fellow deplorables. They will not be pleased. The farmers have all been ripped off. Taxes are screwed. Incomes are low and morale is in the crapper.

There is some opportunity for democrats in there somewhere.

I really like and respect you, Della, but I have to side with r326– it is hard to see how Trump even makes it to the 2020 Election.

Now this shit is scary, Trump or no Trump.

[quote]Researchers have broadened the controversial technology called "deepfakes" — AI-generated media that experts fear could roil coming elections by convincingly depicting people saying or doing things they never did.

Ok, r326, rr328 I feel braced by your posts.

And while I would never advocate violence, a long time ago someone posted this to me when I was predicting doomsday and I guess I had it coming.

F’in hilarious, Della. Ha!

Trump WILL NOT be re-elected in 2020.

From the Axios article:

Brittany Kaiser, a former director at Cambridge Analytica, has been subpoenaed by special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation regarding possible links between President Trump's 2016 campaign and the Russian government, The Guardian reports.

The big picture: Kaiser is the second former employee from Cambridge Analytica, a now-shuttered, Trump-linked British analytics firm that harvested the data of millions of Facebook users, to be drawn into Mueller's probe. Kaiser told The Guardian that the subpoena came after a report that she'd visited WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in February 2017 to discuss the results of the 2016 election while still employed by the firm.

r328, Smooches and back at 'ya!

Any guesses/ predictions on whether somehow, someway the entire unredacted Mueller Report will be leaked no matter what firewall Fred Flintstone, er, I mean William Barr will put up?

Not that Mueller ever would do that, but still, I never thought I'd be pondering a dick pick of Earth's wealthiest human, either,

Ben Sasse wrote an Op-Ed about Deepfakes back in October as well. I think there is some actual compromising footage out there that the Republicans are trying to get ahead of by calling it fake.

Northwest D.C. (Chevy Chase) Comet Ping Ping, the infamous center of Pizzagate, has armed security stationed at the entrance. A couple of my friends went there for dinner last night.

IF Trump is reelected, it'll likely be with an even bigger margin of loss than the almost 3 million of 2016, and thus and even narrower and more suspicious margin of victory in a few states. And it goes without saying that the Senate and the House will have very lopsided Democratic margins of victory even if the Republicans take more seats. Suppression and voting fraud, as well as systems like the electoral college and 2-Senators-per-state that are now unworkable given population disparities between states, are among our biggest problems.

Liberals are the majority. Money and corruption obscure this fact. Look at the polls, look at the votes.

[quote] Anyway, I am very fearful that Trump will be re-elected.

Oh-oh! Della is concerned.

[quote] You're not going to give this up. I never said it wasn't unproductive. But so is calling out people who are not really trolls, and using that as a way to end a legitimate discussion

What makes you such an expert about who is a troll and who isn't?

Has this been posted?

Why Donald Trump Jr.’s ‘loser teachers’ comment was ‘a chilling moment’ for educators around the world

Take heart, mes amis!!!! The absolute worse case scenario, the longest Donald Trump can remain in office will be Fall, 2021. We will work hard and turn out en masse in 2020, holding the House and taking the Senate. 2020 Will be 2018 on steroids!!!!!

Like the old saying "cooler heads prevail". Don't let the media make you crazy and ... concerned. Go and support your choice and vote. Find sources you can trust and keep yourself informed.

r341....he will be gone by January 2021 if he loses the election....if he makes it that long.

[quote]Suppression and voting fraud, as well as systems like the electoral college and 2-Senators-per-state that are now unworkable given population disparities between states, are among our biggest problems.

100% agreed. What can be done about the EC and the Senate? They both require constitutional amendments, yes?

How do we fix these things?

The Guardian ; Mueller questions Cambridge Analytica director Brittany Kaiser

The House is for the people...thats why there are so many congresspeople....the Senate is for the State....each state gets 2....its not hard. Yes, the electoral college needs to go. And yes, they require a constitutional amendment....be careful what you wish for....it will open a pandoras box.

Variety: Trump Rails Against ‘SNL,’ Again, And Suggests ‘Retribution’ for NBC

Yes, R343, but worst case scenario if he isn't gone by January, is that he will definitely be gone by September. If we show up.

R341 and others said it. We need to work hard and vote them out. Not just the president, but the other federal seats, and the state seats as well.

r348 What are you talking about ?...if he loses the election, he will be gone the second the new President is sworn in, whether he wants to leave or not....and that happens in January.

[quote]The House is for the people...thats why there are so many congresspeople....the Senate is for the State....each state gets 2....its not hard.

Um, yes. I know. 2 Senators per state. You’re right, it’s not hard to remember. That wasn’t the point.

The point is that the Senate has outsize power proportionate to the state populations they represent. It’s preposterous that California and Montana both have two Senators each.

Do you understand the problem with that? It’s not hard.

We really do need to redefine what it means to be a state. There needs to be minimum and maximum population standards that are a percentage of the nations population.

The problem isnt the number of Senators....the problem is the lack of enforcing the rules. There needs to be automatic censure when the leader oversteps his bounds ala McConnell. And the rules need to be enforced by BOTH parties....no deviations. McConnell has had free reign for far too long and needs to be removed.

33% of the electorate are dedicated to Trump and don't show any flexibility to consider serious questions about his behavior and policies. Another 8% to10% softly support him or lean toward's supporting him because he offers some compatibility with their views, or they are uncomfortable with the the political alternative. They, particularly the older viewers, are regularly glued to Fox News in the evenings when the inflaming pundits do their shows. Fox & Friends get the early risers and other stay-at-home types. They could switch channels and watch other outlets, but usually don't because Fox exploits their ingrained prejudices and fears. Promoting critical thinking is not the intent; playing on emotions, including fear and anger, is the technique. A huge chunk are rural residents, with a predominant number of them not having a formal education beyond high school. Fox News delivers simplistic, one-sided messaging, while knowingly not labeling what they are conveying is often quite flawed or subject to challenge. Then, some Trumpians listen to Rush, Levin, and other right-wing/politically evangelical radio. In some areas, there are few to no options that are local.

The way to beat them is to out-vote them. They are more formidable than many think. The Kochs, Mercers, Adelsons, and others fund Republicans and their PACs strategically and generously. The Trump administration, with complicity from McConnell and cohorts, are already gutting the resources to counteract another Russian incursion for the 2020 elections. Promote voter registration and voting.

[quote]The problem isnt the number of Senators....

How is it NOT?

You explain to me the impact that the number of Senators has on anything. What youre unhappy with is the partisan politics that have consumed Congress. Thats a different issue and definitely needs to be addressed. There has to be rules, and if not, then demand some be implemented. I might remind you that there are seven states that only have one congressman....for the entire state....and some have as many as 53 (California)....some might say thats unfair....that some states have more say. Isnt that youre argument ? That you think there should be more Senators for the population numbers ? The State is the state...regardless of the size, regardless of the population...not the people....each state gets 2.

R340, watch the documentary “Alt-Right” on Netflix. This tells you what the Trumps believe and shows you those they are pandering to. They want everyone dumb, without hope for aneducation, enraged, and eager for blood. Getting Trump out of there will not fix this problem. It’s a cancer.

*an education

But many states have such low populations that continues to diminish it's getting absurd. There has to be a point where they revert to territories or whatever if they can't continue to grow their economies, contribute to the nation and keep up with everyone else. How can two Senators represent only a few hundred thousand people have the same power as Senators who represent tens of millions?

Removing Trump will be 75% of that battle....he gives them a platform and a voice. They will never be completely gone, but we will be able to push them back into irrelevance.

I've always felt like they should put House seats based on multipliers of the population of the smallest state. Maybe cap the maximum for an individual state at 60. That would make the House closer to its original intent, which was to be the side of the legislature that was more geared to the states with the bigger urban centers. That balances the outsize influence North Dakota has on the Senate.

r359....thats the part youre not grasping......the STATE is the STATE, NOT the People.....each state gets 2 regardless of size, regardless of population, etc......the State is its own entity.

Especially when those states are extremely homogeneous as to economy, demographics, everything. When ID, MT, ND, SD, and WY have the combined population of NJ or wherever, but have 10 senators representing that homogeneity where NJ has two to represent all its diversity, there's a serious problem that we didn't have when the smallest and biggest states were RI and VA.

[quote]the State is its own entity

Whatever this means, what does it have to do with senators, who represent the people of their state, not the acreage or air rights?

But there have to be qualifications for it to be recognized as a state. Likewise there should be standards that disqualify a state.

Some huge states deliver some "deplorable" Senators. Texas, with Cruz & Cornyn come to mind. Florida is not a particular joy either.

Some small states deliver some quality, effective Senators.

r363...thats exactly what they represent....the STATE...the people belong to the state, so yes, they represent them, but Senators represent the State as an entity....think of it as its own person...thats why each State has its own government......compared to the House, which is representative of the population of the State....or, the people.

Are you guys watching McCabe on 60 Minutes?

I just turned it on r367. What has he said?

Lindsey has been a busy beaver again today. Lindsey is advocating for Trump to take money from the Department of Education to fund the wall.

Ole Betsy DeVos may be fine with that.

A sloppy, wet one on DJT's ass.

r367. Among some of the things he said (I was distracted while he was on and didn't catch it all) is that Rod Rosentein suggested twice that he, Rosenstein, should wear a concealed wire to record his conversations with Trump, and he was serious about that, not joking.

The DOJ, in response to that skirted the issue by saying that the DOJ never authorized that Rosenstein wear a wire. Whether or not is was authorized, of course, isn't the issue. It's that Rosenstein raised the question because he though it may be necessary in an investigation to see if Trump, that traitorous motherfucker, was conspiring with Russia.

McCabe also said that Trump told him his wife is a loser.

Trump is despicable; lower than a snake's instep and so is anybody who voted for him and still supports him.

oops, meant to write to r368 in my post at r37.

Oh geez, r371 not r37.

Lindz praises Pence's speech. But the attending audience apparently did not.

We’re coming for you, Lindsey. No amount of TV appearances will stop us.

Trump's golf cart must have been the place where Trump showed Graham the video he and the Russians have of him wearing a leather ballgown and getting plowed by a guy dressed as Rhett Butler.

or, what r375 said.

Whose wife is a loser? McCabe’s or Trump’s?

lol, r377

Trump said McCabe's wife is a loser. The context was that she unsuccessfully ran for a state senate seat.

Thanks, Della at R371... Dump is excrement defined.

Brett Kavanaugh may not be thrilled that Lindsey Graham uses a photo of them standing next to each other as the Senator's Twitter profile photo. Some politicians will use photos with their spouses, but nothing like what Graham is implying.

Lindsey has such a crush on Brett Kavanaugh. It’s obviously FROM SPACE.

McCabe's wife is an accomplished physician.

R381 Is Brett into that? He seemed to get handsy when drunk but not in a homo way.

OK. So my election list includes Graham, McConnell, Perdue of Georgia, Collins of Maine. I know there are others. I fully expect the Dems to take the Senate.

Why is everyone declaring Pres Bone Spurs is going to be re-elected when the election is almost 2 years away? He doesn't even have a challenger yet.

Graham had the major hissy-fit for Kavanaugh during the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing last fall. He then went on a national campaign tour declaring the great accomplishment of Kavanaugh's confirmation. Kavanaugh may feel indebted to Graham, so he may feel uncomfortable in confronting Graham about the obsession.

Graham really needs to relinquish the infactuation with married men; particularly those with young kids.

[quote]Is Brett into that? He seemed to get handsy when drunk but not in a homo way.

Sad thing is, if the accusations against him were that he had consensual sex with a guy instead of attempting to rape a woman, he wouldn't be on the Supreme Court today.

Though they obviously won't say it, Meghan McCain and Cindy McCain know plenty as to what Lindsey is all about.

So there was no grand ripping open of the closet doors today?

There's a story, when a print entity runs with it is a questionable matter.

R356/362, you’re so dense it’s not worth it to explain it to you. My lord.

r391.....So you dont know and would rather deflect ?....Thought so.

For all of you who haven't seen this yet... (I just watched for the first time).

No, idiot. You don’t understand. My complaint, and everyone’s complaint about the Senate, is that the ones from rural states with low populations wield TOO much legislative power while representing such low percentages of the country’s population. It’s very similar to the Electoral College if not worse. They are the ones who confirm cabinet positions and Supreme Ct justices. They are the ones who have the final say in impeachment proceedings.

The US Senate needs to add more Senators so it’s a fairer representation, or their powers need to be curtailed significantly.

This is really not that hard to understand, and I’m hardly the first person to raise the issue. You are, however, the first person I’ve come across who doesn’t understand the problem at all.

You have an apostrophe and ellipses problem, too, which might be indicative of greater cognitive difficulties, I don’t know.

Does anyone have a link to the full 60 Mins interview from tonight? All I can find online are short clips.

R395 The entire segment will be on the CBS/60 Min website by tomorrow, (if not later this evening).

Thank you r396.

For maximum impact - the outing of Lindsay would run early in the week - not on a Sunday.

They totally should air Lindsay's kinkathon video 7AM Sunday morning at a Southern megachurch.

The purpose of the Senate is to make sure large states don't dictate to small states. So we are not the United States of California and New York. If the Senate was based on population, I suppose there would be a giant merging of states, like the state of PennsylJerseyWare, or the state of Red South. And eventually, if the merged states were big enough, there would simply be new countries, and no longer one large country.

I don't have a problem with the Senate but rather the Electoral College. Hillary had to get 12X more votes in California for 1 EC Vote than Trump had to get in Montana for 1 EC Vote. So all votes are not equal. My CA vote had 1/12th the value as someone voting for Trump in Montana.

If anyone is confused about what is going on in this country, just watch Meet the Press this morning. An absolute panic about how people are, OMG, questioning the right of the rich to rule us all. It was embarrassing, and yet so totally revealing.

I saw the entire interview. CBS posted it on twitter. Twenty-eight minutes of McCabe + overtime with McCabe. I believe hi. It was a very good interview and he is credible. And he sensed and understood the danger of Trump just as we have. He is the one who opened the first two investigations of Trump. He said he had cause.. He said "the FBI had cause..." It was justified by what they knew. So not just an investigation into the Trump campaign, but also a Counter Intelligence investigation into Trump himself as a Russianasset. It was also confirmed by CNN that McCabe and the FBI lied to Trump when they told him he was not part of any investigation.

Now I have one observation to make. There will be shock expressed by many about the fact that Rosenstein allegedly discussed the 25th amendment. McCabe justifies it or at least qualifies it because "it was a chaotic time."

And we sit here today, having survived two years of chaos, and crazy Trump, and we're bloody but unbowed. But thinking back to 2017, I remember how scary Trump was, and we were daily talking about how we could get him out of office. He was demonstrably unstable and psycho.

So knowing Rosenstein and McCabe actually discussed it, and were speculating about how many Yes votes were the 25th in the Cabinet, is comforting in a weird way, because it also reminds me that I do not dare get used to this crazy Neo Fascist piece of shit. He's even crazier today than he was in 2017.

Thank you all for posting.

okay, seriously, what is with Miss Lindasy. I don't think it is just the gay thing? there has to be something much darker.

[QUOTE]there has to be something much darker.

Oh, there is.

Grahams campaign manager in 2016 was Christian Ferry.....an associate of Paul Manaforts and Tad Devines in the Ukraine. Coincidence ?

I bet McCabe feels vindicated in a way. Because look at all the crap the investigation has unearthed. Which leads me to believe Mccabe knows a lot. He saw a lot in order to justify opening a Counter Intelligence probe into Trump's relationship with Russian. That is major shit. And he worked for Mueller back in the day. Mueller always had McCabe give briefings to foreign dignitaries. McCabe was the head of the international terrorism division, too. This guy is no lightweight. He talked about how Rosenstein was sort of conflicted about appointing a Special Prosecutor. He wanted to discuss it with Comey, but McCabe said no, Comey had been fired and it would not be appropriate to get guidance from him on whether to appoint someone or who to appoint. It would've clouded the investigation. Of course Rosenstein and the FBI issued their statement today saying McCabe is mischaracterizing things and was "not accurate." But I think he is telling the truth. He said all his notes were in the custody of Mueller. No doubt in my mind Mc Cabe and probably Mueller believe Trump is a Russian asset. Attorney General Barr better get the fuck out of the way.

Exactly, R400. That was the intent of the Founders.

R409, it was the intent of the Founders to placate the slave states by letting them have some power even though the population was in the North. It is indefensible and has caused some of the major problems in this country to this day. It is time to end the electoral college and redistribute the power so people's votes all count equally in both the House and Senate.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Trump didn't drop trou right on the golf green and allowed the Senatrice to eat his ass out.

"Get in there deep, Lindsey. Clean me out good."

"Mmmmmmm, yes Mr. President...." slurp slurp

Fuck you r411. NOBODY needed that visual.

BREAKING: Senator Lindsay Graham died this afternoon when he suffocated in a diaper. Details to follow...or not.

That was so thoughtful of the founders, r409. Do you suppose that maybe the system might need an update since populations have exploded in certain areas?

I can’t believe there are people on Datalounge who think it still makes complete sense that California should have two Senators and Wyoming should have two as well.

The Republicans have too much power in government proportionate to the number of Republican voters in this country. Why? Because of the Senate and the Electoral College. Anyone who disagrees with that is a Republican voter, desperate to hang on to that undue power.

We should give the Repugs one combined state called Jesusland (or is it Trumpland now?) and then dismiss them from politics for good.

Don’t you mean Gilead, R415?

R415 The problem with Jesusland is they won't state put. They will try to "save" all the heathens and sinners, and get mad if everyone does fine without them. Religion is the bane of any civilization.

That is not true, r402. Montana has 330,000 people per electoral vote, while California has 690,000. Remember, there are small blue states too. Vermont has just 312,000 per vote.

I can imagine that Miz Lindsey has a penchant for brown showers, the way she puts up with her 'dear leader's" condescension towards her. It wouldn't be at all surprising if she were the recipient of one of Brett Kavanaugh 's drunken golden showers...

I saw parts of the McCabe interview and what he said about trump calling his wife a loser is that he seemed fascinated by her loss and wanted to know how it felt for her. He asked McCabe to ask his wife how it felt to be a loser.

trump is an asshole, he knows it and he likes it. Despicable human being who does not belong in the White House. The good people of the US do not deserve this. Something is really wrong with people who support him.

All Dump needs is McConnell's blessing and he won't need anyone or anything else to support him. Just one man. It's sad how it takes just two scheming assholes to ruin an entire country.

I have deep reservations about Barr as AG. I suspect he's been "placed" there to block Meuller and give a semblance of officialdom for every spin the Repugs make to justify negating or dismissing everything in his report - mainly,, any part that has to do with Trump's wrongdoings. The impact of that will throw off any whispers of impeachment.

Any updates on gay hero Christopher Wylie?

The man that connected the dots of C-Anal.

I wouldn’t call him a hero, R422 - he was an active and enthusiastic employee until he wasn’t.

Trump's statement about SNL's parodies calling for a "retributuon" is chilling. He'd love to inspire one of his epsilin-sub-moron "base" to target Alec Baldwin/writers/other cast members. He'd love for blood to be shed in his name and he knows all the MAGA idiots are armed to the teeth.

Regarding the electoral college and also Senate representation. Those are "baked in" within the constitution, and we REALLY don't want a constitutional convention, because then lots of the elements that protect us all could be thrown out. However, the electoral college could remain and be fairer. It would not require a constitutional convention. All that would need to happen is for ALL states to agree that their electoral representatives in the electoral college would vote in proportion to the popular votes in their states. Say that there are 4 electoral representatives for the state and 3/4 of the popular vote went for presidential candidate A. He would get 3 of the electoral college votes and candidate B would get 1. There are a lot of Purple states, and that is scary for both parties - but the reality is that there are more Democrats and independents voting progressively than there are Republicans and independents voting conservatively. Imagine in the last election that Florida had 15 votes for Trump and 14 for Hillary, and that Ohio had 7 votes for Trump and 6 for Hillary, that Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania all had essentially equal numbers of electoral reps for each because of the statistical closeness of the vote. Hillary would have won both the electoral college and the popular vote by a large margin. The fiercest opposition would of course come from red states - we know that the urban areas of Texas are making that state more and more purple, but the republicans will not just turn it over - because of the large number of electoral college votes in just that one state.

The thing I worry about, and I know you'll correct me if I'm wrong, is that Mueller won't be able to indict the Trump family members or Trump himself without it being reviewed and approved by the new Attorney General. Right? Is there a possibility that some of the sealed indictments already filed under Rosenstein's supervision, might be for the family?

Slimy Barr says they're friends, but I don't believe Barr is friends with Mueller. No way I can see Trump approving Barr if he were close to Mueller. His son works in the WH now, advising the President, and he when he wrote a 20 page memo talking about how the obstruction case against the President would be wrong, etc. and that was a direct attack on the Special Prosecutor IMO. And I think if he wants to, the new AG has the power to derail the SDNY's investigation. So we are truly navigating through a minefield at this point.

It would be ashame if the indictments stopped with Stone and Manafort and went no higher, or if they only managed to snare Bannon and a couple people from Cambridge. We know the Mercers themselves, and Trump, Jared, and Donnie, Jr. are all in this up to their necks.

On the bright side, I'm sure Mueller anticipated these moves months ago and has taken measures to protect the investigation. We all know that the family and Trump himself are dirty. They're traitors. Mueller knows too. Even if Barr blocked him, the dirt would come out. News media in Europe seems to be covering parts of this and they're getting information through leaks too. So it isn't going away.

'Retribution' for satirical freedom of speech. Last week a BBC cameraman assaulted at a rally. Yes, it all fits.

Hope Baldwin doubles down next time, and references that pathetic pseudo-mafioso 'retribution.'

The world knows how deeply stupid Trump is, but it's still surprising when he confirms it yet again. An old man whining how justified teasing got to him so much? Chilling yes, but also pitiful.

Glad you mentioned the constitutional convention aspect R425. It certainly is the only way changing how Senators are apportioned could happen. Tricking the populace into supporting a convention is absolutely a right wing goal. And communication experts know that arguments that emphasize fairness are likely to appeal viscerally to left wing voters.

We’ve never had someone in the WH with such thin skin that they couldn’t handle SNL skits without screaming for revenge.

Here’s a long, but imho, useful video on how different groups respond to different messages. I find knowing my own triggers helpful on occasion. And I also use it when tailoring messages to others.

Elder Lez....see link below.

IMO the discussion about how our Senators are apportioned is a bullshit discussion. And calling for a Con Con right now with the Right ascendant is folly. They want a COnstitutional Convention. They would love to "revise" our Constitution.

One more time, the way our Congress was set up, so that we elect the House every two years, and the Senate every six years, was done with a lot of thought and deliberation. The House really has the most power, the power of the purse and the power to declare wars, etc. while the Senate approves treaties, and judicial appointments and Cabinet officials.

In fact, any legislation which is about revenue, raising it, through taxes, apportioning it, etc. must originate in the House, and I know that right now that particular provision probably burns Trump's ass. The Senate is supposed to be the more deliberative body while the House dealt with the day to day of running a government. Both houses have to approve new laws. R400 was correct.

And the population imbalances and the explosions in various regions of the country were all anticipated. In his biography, John Adams marvelled in letters to his wife about the incredible influx of people coming to the United States and this was before 1815. When Jefferson bought Louisiana from Napoleon, he was doing it to expand our borders. One house of Congress deals with those population shifts, the other gives equal representation to all states regardless of population, so that the more populous states do not set the agenda and dictate to the rest.

As for the Electoral college, yes, that has it's foundations in racism. And I would support measures to make it fair. I would have to do more research to decide if abolishing it makes sense. I might favor a "mend it don't end it approach.

R410 and R414 and others, I doubt anyone here would argue against the need to reform or abolish the Electoral College. But that has nothing to do with the number of Senators in each state, except indirectly since the EC delegates are chosen based on the number of members of Congress in Each state.

The reason Republicans have more power than is justified by their numbers, has been discussed exhaustively in connection to the illegal gerrymandering that has occurred in Congressional districts along with voter suppression laws. And that affects the House more than the Senate.

But, ever since we have had to deal with cyber crimes and our voting rolls being infected by it, we have watched Republicans steal statewide elections including for POTUS. So if you are genuinely concerned with the disproportionate influence of Republicans, then we need to focus on efforts to stop gerrymandering and pay attention to 2020, because legislative redistricting will happen right after that election. It's very important.

[quote] Slimy Barr says they're friends, but I don't believe Barr is friends with Mueller. No way I can see Trump approving Barr if he were close to Mueller.

They are friends. They've known each other for over 30 years and Mueller was the head of the Justice Department's Criminal Division when Barr was AG under GHW Bu$h. Now, how far that gets us, is not clear. Barr could have made that factual statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee hoping that people would assume that means he will protect Mueller. Whether that was his intention is anyone's guess. Barr is essentially a corporate whore. Will he stand in Mueller's way? If the evidence of conspiracy and treason is overwhelming, I don't see him falling on his sword for tRump. If it looks like the ship is going to sink quickly Barr would be in the lifeboat waving at tRump.

[quote]In fact, any legislation which is about revenue, raising it, through taxes, apportioning it, etc. must originate in the House, and I know that right now that particular provision probably burns Trump's ass.

Constitution's Article I, Section 7, Clause 1:

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

YEAH, r434, that's the legislative process. It originates in the House. The Senate concurs as with other legislation. Right.

R433, I SO hope you're right!!! Thank you for posting that. It comforts me.

Most of us are convinced Miz Lindsey has been compromised. But as I look at her performances over the years, they're somewhat inconsistent. Now maybe she got her comeuppance from Putin/Trump recently, as in the past three or four years, but before that she latched on to McCain like a barnacle. I think Miz Lindsey loves strong men. She has now been allowed to put the full flower of her hypocrisy on center stage in a way she never could with McCain, who moderated her some what. Donny has re -defined what it means to be a Republican and Miz Lindsey wants to make sure the world knows she is on board. Of course I still believe there are photos. But I also think my "Strong Man Theory" is valid.

I think you need to consider what the term "friend" means in politics. These are frequently relationships based on convenience or strategy, or just managing your boss or peers. And they can fall under the bus at any twist of political winds. So I wouldn't put much stock in Barr's statement about being "friends" with Mueller when it comes to handling the latter's report.

Even if Barr doesn't fall on a sword for Trump, I think he will protect the rest of the GOP traitors and the NRA. That is equally unacceptable.

The problem with McCabe's interview is that it plays right into Trump's narrative, as well as Miss Lindsay's. Now we'll have a second round of investigations about this with McCabe and Rosenstein doing the same he said/he said narratives to further compromise the Mueller investigation.

I don't really blame McCabe for being bitter, though I don't think he's a choirboy either. Something tells me he's really pissed at Rosenstein as well as Trump. But he's selling a book too, so while timing this interview would be better coming after the Mueller findings are out there, the commercial value of his book would be lower.

Is Andrew McCabe not receiving his government pension and benefits? Maybe all he had now are the royalties he can get from this new book.

The ones with books early on out of the gate did the best. Now there is a glut of product in the market (is Hope Hicks scribing a pamphlet for Viking?) That Fire & Fury book was one of the biggest bestsellers in recent years, I believe.

I remember when Comey was doing his media tour and he was not real high on Rosenstein either. Rosenstein is a survivor. probably a little bit slimy, too. But to his credit, he never allowed Mueller to be limited, compromised, derailed, etc. No FBI agent is a choirboy. Not even close. They will lie when ever they think it's necessary. I'm sure Mc Cabe wasn't completely honest, but hey, I'm on his team! I thought what Trump did to him was vile. And I think McCabe's work was known to Putin and Trump. There were a couple cases he worked on that were relevant. It's like with John Mc Cain. Putin hated Mc Cain and so Trump hated him.

R438, I thought about that too. It does play in to Trump's narrative and for sure the Senate will call him in to lacerate him. Lindsey on Judiciary, or Burr on Intel. No doubt in my mind Mc Cabe is getting another summons.

It's all so insane. Who do you believe? McCabe who had a sterling record in the FBI - albeit his denial of a leak to WSJ - who the fucking Orange Walrus in the WH who lies every 8 minutes? It truly is unbelievable.

Barr is the least of our worries....yes, he may try to obstruct portions of Muellers report or the investigation, but I remind you that a siiting AG can be indicted as well. In fact, many an AG has been in the past. Barr is not about to let his reputation be marked for all of history because of Trump....seriously.

The Senatrice is an opportunist, plain and simple. If there were pics of her on the receiving end of some downlow thug gangbang, I think they would have come out by now. Also, if you know those pics exist, you'd want to keep a very low profile and not become a screaming drama queen every other day like she does, so I'm perplexed. On the other hand she's now calling for an investigation into McCabe and The senatrice better be careful what she wishes for, because that investigation would HAVE to unleash the reasons why they were talking about the 25th amendment. It would be smart if DiFi, the ranking Dem in that committee, were to go all Pelosi on his ass and just tell him to bring it on, bitch.

R441, it's not really about who you believe as much as which narrative gets the upper hand. Whether you believe McCabe or not, his narrative gives Trump political cover when he wants to rant about the so-called "deep state." We can't have Mueller undermined by FBI conflicts.

Regarding Rosenstein, remember that meeting he had with Trump after this whole 25 amendment conversation blew up the first time (based on the story in the NY Times)? Many here thought he was toast at that point, but he came out of the meeting smiling and with his job intact. That gave me some pause, but he has been walking on eggshells for a while now. I just hope he didn't make any promises that it would be best not to keep...

McCabe's wife is the head pediatrician at a local hospital emergency room. I have heard wonderful things about her and the atmosphere and care given to the kids brought there.

William Barr's son-in-law just landed a job advising Trump on "legal issues." His work will "intersect" with the Russian investigation.

See, R447? That's what I worry about. They think they are circling the wagons and have everything wired up to protect themselves. I hope those fuckers know that they are not above the law. I want to know if Barr and his son in law have any connections to McGahn. McGahn is a rotten piece of shit.

The only other reason I can think Barr's son in law went there, is because Mc Gahn's main task, his "mission" was to work with the Federalists and make sure the candidates on their lists got nominated for federal judge ships. McGahn also kept Trump from breaking the law along with Kelly. They would tell him if something he wanted to do was unConstitutional.

OK. Let me fantasize for a moment. Maybe the GOP is surrounding Trump with the kind of people to counter balance his personal friends like Hannity & R udy. Maybe these people, Barr &his son in law will advise Trump to resign. LOL! I told you it was a fantasy.

One thing is for sure. They absolutely cannot act on Trump's behalf. They can't function as his personal attorneys. More and more every damned day we are reminded why we MUST take back the Senate and hold on to the House in 2020.

Trump is like a black hole. Everything and everyone near him is going to be sucked into his mess and get destroyed. And people still seek his company. Some people are just asking for their lives to be ruined.

As Rick Wilson is wont to say, R449, Everything Trump Touches Dies.

And of course because of Trump's depraved assemblage of non-values, McCabe's wife as described @ R446 is precisely the kind of human he would feel glad to insult without a second thought. Trump's a sick man, in league with the devil.

Look. Mc Cabe worked for Mueller when Mueller was FBI Director. Mueller trusted Mc Cabe. I don't think Mueller made his decision to become the Special Prosecutor if he didn't have trust in the judgement of the people who opened the original investigation. Yes, I also got the impression Mc Cabe was pissed off at Rosenstein. Found it odd that Rosenstein would go to Mc Cabe and ask about Comey. At his level you'd think Rosenstein would have known how to get in touch with Comey. I think Rosenstein was asking permission to contact him and Mc Cabe rightly advised him not to.

I do agree with R444. I want Mueller to get through this without any more attacks. Whether he meant to or not, Mc Cabe just opened Pandora's box for Trump and his allies and his MAGAs. Because when Mueller comes out with his indictments of Jr. Jared and the rest, the howling will be deafening. So I hope this dies down. Unfortunately Mc Cabe is selling his book. He is an angry man who feels wronged, he's been called a liar, he's been fucked over, etc.etc.etc. I get it. But if he cares at all about the integrity of the investigation he started, and he cares at all about Mueller, he will STFU.

Miss Lindzey is all over the news today again. Can't the corporate media reference any other Senators other than this old maid?

[quote]He asked McCabe to ask his wife how it felt to be a loser.

McCabe should've hit back with, "It's not like she went bankrupt on a casino. Now that takes a real loser."

What are the chances we get another felony Friday this week?

Donald Trump and Shannon Hoon

You don't like my point of view, you think that I'm insane

It's not sane, it's not sane

Tomorrow is Rehabilitation Tuesday for DJT. The MS cable media will host Trump rationalizations and defenses, and be updated on the bashing of his critics. Wednesday it will be back to "dismay".

Rehabilitation Tuesdays don’t take place on Deadline: White House.

Still McCabe is being truthful when they FBI opened a counter-intelligence investigation of our dear Drumpf! That is not something McCabe could do alone. Trump openly obstructing justice. That in and of itself is astounding and Trump did it right out there in the open and on TV!

And hes' still at it, reprehensible dirty toilet that he is.

HAHAHAHAHA.....Looks like Roger Stone will be headed to jail pending trial soon.....Who in their right mind thought he could keep his mouth shut ?....then, just days after a gag order, basically threatening the judge....idiot.

^^^^click the picture for his text for the post^^^^

Judge Amy needs to drop the hammer on the Ratfucker ASAP!

Lock that pinheaded fucker up.

In the Twitter thread at R461, the rightwing nutjob site in one of the responses says, "Supported by SCOTUS scumbag John Roberts." I had no idea they had already turned on Roberts.

Great Trumpcast today. Danny Cevallos

R461, is that blowing up in cable news?

Seth Abramson on the 60 minute interview with McCabe

Stone is a idiot for thinking that he would be clever and try and fuck with Amy Berman Jackson. She is one tough judge. I hope that she throws his ass in jail.

Hopefully, she'll have the sheriff bring his ass in tomorrow and put him in jail and they can charge him with threatening the life of a federal judge.

[quote]The purpose of the Senate is to make sure large states don't dictate to small states. So we are not the United States of California and New York.

No, but you're awfully close.

The original intention of the Senate was to give more power to white slave-owning populations.

[quote]If there were pics of her on the receiving end of some downlow thug gangbang, I think they would have come out by now.

Oh honey. Bless your simple heart.

Why is Andrew McCabe so eager to say that Rosenstein was serious about wearing a wire?

R471, what some people don't seem to understand is that huge portions of the population in the Southern states was made up of slaves that would not have been counted. I guess they skimmed over that part where they finally declared slaves 3/4 of a person. Black people should make the electoral college a part of their list of grievances in order to bring attention to the reality of why the electoral college and the Senate are disproportionately representative toward the racist fuckers in this country. (It's so strange that the racist states really haven't changed at all. Jesusland and the former slave states overlap to a ridiculous degree.)

[quote] I guess they skimmed over that part where they finally declared slaves 3/4 of a person.

Ummm. Three-fifths. Not three quarters. It was known as the "Three-Fifths Compromise."

That skimming will get you every time, . . . .

The deeper irony of the "3/5th compromise" is that black dick is typically 5/3rds bigger than their white counterparts.

R476 speaks the truth!

Wrong r471, go read your 7th grade American History book and note when, and how many states existed, and when the Constitution was drafted and ratified. You keep posting distorted information.

[quote]Wrong [R471], go read your 7th grade American History book and note when, and how many states existed, and when the Constitution was drafted and ratified.

Number of slave states in 1789: 8

Number of free states: 5

Your point?

Every now and then it dawns on me just how "young" the United States are, and how weve grown as a country in just a few hundred years. Our country isnt even 250 years old. Thats not a long time.I still cant fathom, that with our growth and knowledge, we managed to elect Trump. This is the modern age, not when a candidate essentially had little to no contact with the people.How did we allow ourselves to get to this point ?

[quote]Go ahead, call me a Russian troll. You are in for some big surprises. Expect a funeral for Bill Clinton before summer. He might only be in Gitmo, but officially he will have died. Hillary may not "live" to see 2020 either. Once the Mueller probe ends with a whimper, those who tried and failed to drive Trump out of office will have to pay for their crimes.

Why in hell are these people allowed out of the house without protective head gear??

R479 Read the section on Constitutional Creation. It was the Connecticut compromise. Voting was not based on slavery, but a compromise between the larger and smaller states. A few of the southern states were among those with the largest populations. It was not a north-south issue.

R475, in case you are wondering why no one likes you in the future, you should save that response. No chance I hit the 4 instead of the 5, huh? People like you are annoying.

R482, are you actually trying to argue that slavery had nothing to do with that? Idiot.

R480 That furious growth was done by people who respected no human rights or native claims. That self-righteous imperialism is the "greatness" Trumpies admire and want to resurrect. It is quite natural for these people to rally around a racist president. In the more enlightened (or so we thought) modern age, you would think the two major parties would screen out such divisive and destructive demagogues, but the Republicans capitulated to their dark aside and laid bare once again the old conflict between white supremacy and human conscience.

R480, your thought inspired one of my own.

This is a tipping point for our democracy. Either we redouble our resolve to the experiment or we see it continue to slide into oblivion.

If Trump prevails in all this, I choose oblivion.

I am hoping the majority vote for our democracy. Honestly, I think the only way the Senate was won in 2018 is because Putin hacked our voting machines and nothing was done to protect voters, thanks to Trump and McConnell.

Rosenstein is leaving in mid-March:

Barr is the one that got Bush I out of the Iran contra investigation by recommend In general bush pardon everyone. Bush was on the ropes then it all disappeared. That is why barrr is in place, but it may not work this time.

Jared promised me a pardon while I was fucking his sweet little ass.

So, Barr starts and Rosenstein gives his one month notice.

16 states now suing

I believe a lot will happen on or around the middle of March, not just Rosenstein leaving.

r491 Just in time for the report?

And lets not start hanging our hats on Roberts to save us. repugs are all scum. All those times screaming "liberal activist judges" when it was always them who were the activists. They are always projecting. Always. It's what sociopaths do.

repug=sociopath

Ides of March--Time for settling the debts

I hope Mueller drops a big package of indictments on the Ides of March that includes Trump, his family, Bannon, Parscale, the Mercers, Nunes, MCConnell and Ryan.

Pres Bone Spurs just said the word "treasonous" so the projection is real.

We've said it many times- things were going to get crazy towards the end and it is. Expect crazy shit we cannot fathom to happen before this is all brought to an end.

Conservatives should NEVER be forgiven for allowing us to get here. I don't know where they go from here but the repug party needs to be disbanded and we need to ban any and all money from campaigns except govt funded. We've allowed the wealthy to become so rich they pose a clear and present danger to our country.

Bring on the indictments!

I'm simultaneously terrified and curious about what other crazy shit is planned for this late winter. Terrified of something extreme like a 9/11 event. Curious of something expected like Trump having a full-blown nervous breakdown on TV.

Let's redefine the Ides of March. Are any of the Senators or Reps named Brutus?

My congressional friend once said don't be fooled by the votes of repugs on anything related to Russia to try to help you tell who is compromised and who isn't. She said most Dems (in the House, last Congress at least) believe a full 1/5 of repugs are compromised while maybe another 1/3 share Putin's view on how to run a country. She suspects it is worse in the Senate. Much worse.

I should see her within the next 3 weeks.

Meanwhile GOP is officially the perpetrator of election fraud.

The executive director of the North Carolina State Board of Elections revealed Monday that state officials had uncovered a “coordinated” and “unlawful” effort to collect absentee ballots on behalf of a Republican congressional candidate in the November election.

R502, I don't remember where I heard it but I think they said that they looked back at the last decade or so of elections there and they all showed the same strange results where something like 99% of absentee ballots in one county went to Repugs. They've been doing this for a long time.

R501 it doesn't surprise me. I've been saying for at least two years or more that Citizens United and Dark Money have destroyed our political system. And the fact that the fucking Russians could "donate" money to the NRA who then "donated" it to candidates, including POTUS, is sickening. And the fact that there are no disclosures about who is donating to Super Pacs and that campaigns can bypass donation limits so easily? That's how this all got started. The greedy little whores in Congress and Mitch McConnell was right in our faces with it. When people were asking him about the Tax Bill he said he was answerable to the donors. Live TV.

r504 Yep, out in the open. Just like they say they need to cut SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Right out in the open on live TV. Also, don't forget now the Saudis (who had 16 of 19 hijackers on 9/11-never forget????) who are now firmly on the repug side funneling money.

Just like Maher said- Pres Bone Spurs IS the national emergency!

Maxine Waters on Rachel tonight. Rosenstein blocked the subpoenas to Deutsche Bank in December 2017. Waters's committee is going to go after Deutsche now.

R83, what happened?

[quote] Are any of the Senators or Reps named Brutus?

Much as it pains me to admit this, but as everyone in Washington knows, I am often referred to as Brutus in reference to my prowess with the fairer sex.

Wait wait wait wait. Rosenstein blocked those subpoenas.....WHY would he do that? That’s the scariest thing I’ve heard in a long long time. Anyone have insight on that? Does that mean Rosenstein is a bad guy now, WTF? I have family visiting so I haven’t watched McCabe yet.

r509 Supposedly, Rosenstein blocked the subpoenas to protect himself and/or Mueller from Trump.

BTW, Maxine Waters had to be disconnected b/c her audio wasn't working. She'll be on another evening.

Maxine Waters always makes me uneasy when she is on TV. I don't trust her to not say something that will make the Democrats look bad. She's got her own skeletons. She and her husband were involved with some questionable bank loans in South Central LA. She was getting a bit testy about her audio. I'm glad there were technical difficulties. She should subpoena the hell out of Deutsch Bank and let other talk about it.

Blah blah blah, Maxine, blah blah blah

She's said the most important verifiable thing so far - A BUNCH OF SCUMBAGS.

R512 Maxine is old as dirt. Let her say whatever the heck she wants. 90% of the time it's on point anyway... just the other Dems are too chickshit to say it. The worst that can happen is she retires.

I can’t be the only person here who wants to make out with Andy McCabe, HEAVILY, and then fuck him... can I be?

R515 He is 50 going on 65... Pass.

Going on 65? He looks like he’s in his late 40s. Jeez. You’re no fun, and you need glasses or contact lenses. Oh well, more McCabe for me.

R517 - I’m with you! I think McCabe is one hot DILF! - and it helps that he appears to have actually done his best to thwart the Cheeto and his corrupt minions - only adds to his appeal!

R517 He is "retiring", isn't he?

McCabe must have been impossibly cute in his 20s. He’s handsome as hell now.

Do you think McCabe is using Botox? Amazingly line free but not waxy forehead...

Oh for fucks sake the old Grifter Bernie is announcing plans to spoil, I mean run, in the 2020 election.

I cringed when I heard he was running again R521. Bernie, AOC, Schultz threatening to run if Dems don't run a "centrist" candidate he approves of, Klobuchar taking a stand against Medicare for all, Kamala and Cory being asked a million times about their Smollett tweets: the Russian social media army is going to have a field day dividing the left. I just hope everyone remembers the midterm mantra in 2020 - vote DEM for every office down to dogcatcher no matter who they run and turn out in huge numbers to offset Republican cheating.

Klobuchar could win this, she just has to keep to the center.

So no comments on the Seth Abramson tweet novel? The rogue NY office of the FBI is a completely separate thread of corruption and conspiracy. Trumpy you are just too much!!

Honestly, fuck Bernie.

So the Sénatrice wants to take funds earmarked for building schools and public education and give it to Cadet B. Spurs so he can get kick-backs and have a 2020 campaign issue?

What does Pecker, Putty, and Pee Pee Prick have on Miss Priss?

Whatever happened to “Anonymous”? Ever notice how they literally disappeared once Trump began to ascend?

[quote]Honestly, fuck Bernie.

Honestly, you couldn't pay me enough.

You know what I just noticed? Andrew McCabe looks like Ian Buchanan.

I agree, McCabe is hot. Right Now. He must have been hotter when he was younger, but he is still hot. Right Now. Definietly DILF.

On a more serious note, in his interview with Natasha Bertrand at the Atlantic, McCabe, who spent 10 years investigating the Russian Mob in NYC, said, "Trump and I knew some of the same people. " Yes. She'd asked him about the fact that the FBI opened two investigations of Trump, one a counter-intelligence one, and the other a regular investigation. He said Trump was already in their sights before the Comey firing. His own words and his actions attracted their attention. He said Trump operates like a mobster.

You know when I look at how this is unfolding, over the past few years, I get anxious. So far no one has been harmed, but when I think of people like Manafort's partner Gates, or Michael Cohen, or this guy McCabe, or some of the reporters who are exposing this stuff, it's a wonder no one has fallen out a window or had "indigestion" so bad it killed them.

here. This is not Trump/Mueller related, but damn. I'm so glad to see this article, I had to post it here among friends...

Anonymous is alive and very active on Datalounge, R526.

HIS EMAILS!

This is a mini BOMBSHELL.

“McCabe confirms for the first time to @SavannahGuthrie on Today that the FBI informed the Gang 8 in May 2017 the FBI had opened a counterintelligence investigation into Trump and "no one objected. Not on legal grounds, not on constitutional grounds, and not based on the facts.”

Even more reason McConnell needs to be imprisoned. HE KNEW, yet he pushed through judges, the tax cut, etc....and resisted every single attempt to stop Russians and refusing to protect Mueller.

R523, I didn't see the McCabe interview on 60 Minutes, but based on Abramson's thread it's frustrating that the media has pretty much ignored the stuff with the NY FBI office.

R534, it also undermines Miss Lindsay's caterwauling about the interview.

Judge Amy Jackson has ordered Roger Stone to court on Thursday to decide whether he’s violated the partial gag order.

Ken Dilanian gets it wrong again. What a shitty hack he has turned into.

[quote]One thing that comes across is that McCabe was not willing to stand up to Trump. Not even to defend his wife.

Natasha Bertrand responds:

[quote]McCabe to me: "I was trying desperately to keep a large, distraught organization on its feet and moving forward. And provoking a fight with the president of the United States was not going to be helpful in calming those waters and getting back to work."

Graham has gone from a rather disturbing, yet amusing, sychophant to Trump, to dangerously undermining the Constitution in favor of unrestrained, executive authoritarianism being bestowed to Trump by complicit Republicans.

South Carolina newspapers are not sufficiently exposing and critiquing the Senator's behavior. Neither is cable media. It is "Lindsey said this, Lindsey said that", all day long, by all of them. They better start addressing Graham's motives and the ill consequences that are resulting.

The key to Lindsey Grahams behavior is Christian Ferry....his ex campaign manager and associate of Paul Manafort and Tad Devine in the Ukraine.

Did McCabe really work on an investigation into the Russian mob?!? That’s not a small detail; that’s the key. That explains everything he’s felt, said and done. And it explains why Trump was desperate to fire and disgraced him.

One of the many things that I hate about Trump is that he calls out individual US citizens as his hate targets. McCabe, Comey, Strzok, Page, Ohr, Ohr's wife. They're all experts on Russia and know exactly what he's up to. The president can call them out and destroy their careers and put them in danger from the MAGA crazies and Russian spies but they can't fight back because what they know is classified. Seems so wrong that he can go after them like that. I want one of them to say, You're the fucking president of the US, you can't go after individual US citizens. Remember how quaint it was that Bill Clinton stopped to say Hi to Loretta Lynch on the tarmac and the republicans claimed that he was trying to influence the FBI's investigation of Hillary's emails even though Lynch had recused herself. Yet, Trump gets to tweet horrible things about the FBI and Intelligence Community as a whole and gets to pick and meet with his AG who has not recused.

Funny thing that someone foprgot to fire Bruce Ohr.

He is still working, amirite?

R542 Yes, was demoted but still working. Barr was fire him. Probably by the end of the week.

R539 that is huge. Thanks. Explains a lot about Graham.

Yes, R540, he did. For ten years. And he also was heading up the Counter Terrorism division at another point. So McCabe is an important figure in the FBI and he was close to Mueller when Mueller ran the FBI. So in May, 2017 he told the Gang of 8, which included Devin Nunes...and that information all went right back to Trump in the White House in the time it took Nunes to text him. Trump's anger towards McCabe bordered on pathological.

Agree, R541, but we need to add his continuing hatred for John McCain. John McCain hated Putin. He actively pursued policies to go after Putin for years. He rescued an anti Putin journalist from certain death, the guy had been poisoned by Putin's goons TWICE, and McCain got him out of Russia, saved his life. That journalist was a pallbearer at McCain's funeral. So it's "almost" as if he hates who ever Putin hates.

Ratfucker Stone is in court on Thursday, for Judge Amy's carve-up. It would happen tomorrow, but there's a snowstorm hitting DC.

Trump's evangelicals will not he happy with this! (Although I imagine it will be one more of Trump's "plans" that never go anywhere.)

Now Trump denies calling McCabe’s wife a “loser.” Unreal.

[quote]Ratfucker Stone is in court on Thursday, for Judge Amy's carve-up. It would happen tomorrow, but there's a snowstorm hitting DC.

Lousy Smarch weather...

The media is covering extensively Bernie Sanders' campaign announcement. Yet, none mention his multiple votes against sanctions on Russia. He's Putin's guy, again, in the Democratic primaries. Sanders needs to be asked about Tad Devine's ties to Manafort. Sanders' staff harassing female campaign workers in '16 can't endure him to feminist-leaning voters.

Sanders may win the NH primary, but those older black voters in SC, particularly black women, will not embrace him this time either. K. Harris will do well in SC. Perhaps Biden and Corey Booker also. Klobuchar maybe. Gillibrand, no.

BernBros may be yearing to see Bernie and Jane strolling to the podiums to the Simon & Garfunkel songs. It will fall flat.

Bernie and Jane do have their old contribution lists, and lists Weaver and company go from the DNC, so they'll have the money to sustain themselves well into the 2020 campaign.

I was just thinking the same thing this past week R526. R532 are you joking?

I meant R531, not R532!!

Elder Lez, I took it as a joke pertaining to anonymous posts.

Multiple Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with White House Efforts to Transfer Sensitive U.S. Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia.

Hey, it's only the country that the 9/11 terrorists came from, what could possibly go wrong?

Temp put a bunch of racist and grifters in all of his cabinet positions. So did you ever wonder what McConnell's wife is doing with a cabinet position? Look for a Russian connection.

Trump not Temp.

Personally, I thought Temp was a great new nickname for 46-1.

From the WaPo article on Saudi nuclear ambitions... and of course Jared is behind it.

[quote]The Cummings report notes that one of the power plant manufacturers that could benefit from a nuclear deal, Westinghouse Electric, is a subsidiary of Brookfield Asset Management, the company that provided financial relief to the family of Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and adviser. Brookfield Asset Management took a 99-year lease on the family’s deeply indebted New York City property at 666 Fifth Avenue.

[quote]“Multiple whistleblowers came forward to warn about efforts inside the White House to rush the transfer of highly sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in potential violation of the Atomic Energy Act and without review by Congress as required by law — efforts that may be ongoing to this day,” the report says.

(Link to story is too long to post, story is at the top of the Washington Post page now.)

The Wall Street Journal reports that disgraced former national-security adviser Michael Flynn pushed the nukes to Saudi Arabia plan:

"Mike Flynn and others within the White House ignored repeated legal and ethical warnings as they pushed early in President Trump’s tenure an ambitious plan to build dozens of nuclear-power reactors in Saudi Arabia, according to a report released Tuesday by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

The report describes how Mr. Flynn and Derek Harvey, whom Mr. Flynn brought to the National Security Council staff to oversee Middle East affairs, worked closely on the plan with a group of retired U.S. generals and admirals who had formed a private company to promote it."

NPR‏Verified account @NPR 33m33 minutes ago

Just In: Democrats on the House Oversight Committee have released an interim report based on multiple whistleblowers who say the Trump administration is rushing to transfer sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in violation of federal law.

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NBC News: The Trump administration is launching a global campaign to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it's still illegal to be gay, U.S. officials tell NBC News, a bid aimed in part at denouncing Iran over its human rights record.

U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, the highest-profile openly gay person in the Trump administration, is leading the effort, which kicks off Tuesday evening in Berlin. The U.S. embassy is flying in LGBT activists from across Europe for a strategy dinner to plan to push for decriminalization in places that still outlaw homosexuality — mostly concentrated in the Middle East, Africa and the Caribbean.

Narrowly focused on criminalization, rather than broader LGBT issues like same-sex marriage, the campaign was conceived partly in response to the recent reported execution by hanging of a young gay man in Iran, the Trump administration’s top geopolitical foe.

r555 temp might have been a Freudian slip. He won't be President much longer.

We knew about this nuke "plan" at the time of the election....Flynn was messaging his cohorts about it DURING THE INAUGURATION. What we didnt know, is that they were still planning it.

I've said it before but the election of Trump provided Putin with SO much more than lifting sanctions. Putin has a comprehensive agenda, which includes weakening NAO and disrupting the EU. He wants to create chaos and division worldwide, and weaken the United States and weaken our relationships with our Allies. He wanted to especially disrupt/compromise our Intel gathering capabilities and find out how we gather intel, who are sources are, who are our assets, and obtaining classified secrets. When Mueller can give specific names, dates, and even the level of the GRU agents he indicted and do it 2 days before Trump meets with Putin, he is sending a clear message to Trump & Putin and it was obvious in Helsinki.

A new NYT article "reveals the extent of an even more sustained, more secretive assault by Mr. Trump on the machinery of federal law enforcement" than has previously been reported. Among the revelations:

• Late last year, Trump asked his newly installed attorney general, Matthew Whitaker, to put a Trump loyalist in charge of the SDNY investigation into Trump's hush payments to women; Whitaker said he couldn't and Trump "soon soured on Mr. Whitaker."

* White House lawyers wrote a confidential memo expressing concern about the president’s staff peddling misleading information in public about the firing of Michael Flynn.

• Trump had private conversations with Republican lawmakers about a campaign to attack the Mueller investigation.

• Trump has publicly attacked the Russia investigation more than 1,100 times.

I don't want to be a concern troll. But I am seriously worried that these corrupt fuckers will get away with it all since they have no moral code or shame. The Trump team/family doesn't think the law applies to them and when they are at risk, they try to control the law with corrupt judges and politicians.

I think about this stuff way too much and I am kind of not feeling hopeful. Look at the all the crap that he has gotten away with so far. No other President , Democrat or Republican, would have been able to do any of the outrageous and unlawful crap that Trump has. Does anyone care? Didn't anyone take history or civics classes in school?

R565 just watching the news today while I get over the flu, I feel more optimistic. The WH is leaking, the whole administration is riddled with whistleblowers running to the House committees and informing and talking to the PRess. The NYT, which I've come to hate, did a hell of a,good story on the active campaign Trump personally engaged in to compromise the Justice department and all it's investigations including the SDNY.

I hope you are right R496. Wouldn't it be wonderful? Nothing that wonderful will ever happen.

When will Rosensteins book come out?

A lot of people look at Rosenstein and consider him slimy, he wrote that memo and fired Comey, and he and McCabe seem to not get a long and he has survived for so long, but one thing strikes me. He said he was fighting to preserve the Mueller investigation and I bet he had to make some decisions that we might find objectionable, but Mueller is still there and the investigation has moved forward with indictments and convictions. So how ever he managed it, whatever tightrope he had to walk, he succeeded in protecting Mueller.

At this point, we know for sure that Republicans are all criminals who care nothing about our country. I have known how awful they are, for decades but now they show themselves to the entire world...just look at Miss Graham!

r565, yes, I saw that article. I don't hate the NYT - they broke the Trump Tower Russia meeting story, thank God. I can't stand Maggie Haberman as she has tried to normalize the Trump family and rarely asks probing questions. There may be whistleblowers, but the truly corrupt and likely compromised (Miss Lindz, Mitch McTurtle) are still in power and have a megaphone (Fox news, Twitter) to spread their lies.

Two years after acknowledging fake Russian accounts on Twitter, they still don't have a way to report these - you can reporrt "spam" accounts and fake "celebrity" accounts, but you can't ID a Russian troll account. They don't care - they are making millions off Trump and likely pulled the company from eventual ruin (they were laying off people left and right before Trump).

Two things: I thought the DNC changed their platform so only declared Democrats could run for president. MSNBC and CNN are reporting the Bernie is running for the Democratic nomination. I think I even heard him say it in his announcement. Did the DNC put in some type of clause like if you caucus with the Democrats you can run as one? I don't want the DNC to be shady but this doesn't seem consistent with what was reported.

McCabe was supposedly fired for leaking to the press and then lying about it. Isn't a good defense, I was so worried about what I was seeing with the president being aligned with Russia and how he was using Nunes to back channel information, that I had to make certain that the public was aware of certain things which I feared could be hidden or destroyed.

Sarah Isgur, who served as leading spokesperson under former AG Jeff Sessions, has been hired by CNN as a political editor, where she will coordinate political coverage for the 2020 campaign. "Isgur has no experience in news but a long history as a political operative."

Rupert Murdoch needs to account. Fox is going crazy attacking McCabe. Miss Lindsay is on Hannity nightly. There is nothing objective about her. She heading the Senate Judiciary Committee is absurd. Her agenda is to discredit the F-B-I and investigators, not inquire about DJT/Russia. Given her financial history with Russian oil and gas, plus her PAC accepting huge cash from oligarchs tied to Putty, it is a gross conflict of interest for her to be investigating anything Russia, much less chairing the committee. And that doesn't even touch on the kompromat questions.

R573 Wow, that totally portends calm and responsible coverage of the primary campaign.

R572, he didn't "leak" anything to the PRess. He was authorized to talk to the Press and was at a very high level and able to use his judgement about what and how he chose to provide. Let's not forget he was acting Director for a short time, too. He was set up. He didn't lie about it either.

I'm not going to be able to watch any election coverage if the fucking media persists in giving so much oxygen to this asshole. I hate the sound of Bernie's voice. He is beyond annoying. Cannot stand him. WTF can't they just ignore him....give him the same attention they are currently giving Julian Castro, ya know?

R533, Это потому, что они уже знали ...

Wow the trolls are running rampant on this site. Gearing up for the elections, I see.

Whistleblowers from within Pres. Trump's National Security Council have told a Congressional cmte. that efforts by Michael Flynn to transfer sensitive nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia may have violated the law, per a new report obtained by @NBCNews.

[quote]Late last year, Trump asked his newly installed attorney general, Matthew Whitaker, to put a Trump loyalist in charge of the SDNY investigation into Trump's hush payments to women; Whitaker said he couldn't and Trump "soon soured on Mr. Whitaker."

Fox's Judge Andrew Napolitano told Fox's Shepard Smith today that this was "attempted corruption." If Whitaker had done it, says Napolitano, it would qualify as corruption.

I have to say, this is a pretty rough Rehabilitation Tuesday for Trump. In fact, I’m not noticing ANY media rehab treatment for him anywhere today. Not even on fucking Fox News (see: Napolitano on Trump’s obstruction attempt re: SDNY).

R581, “attempted obstruction”, which is a crime, of course.

No it's not, R583! Not according to Hannity, remember! Wasn't he the one mentioned above as saying, "I'm allowed to talk about killing my wife all I want... Just because I tell everyone that I want to murder my wife doesn't make it a crime if I don't actually murder her!!!!"

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out:

Here's a Politico article on advantages the SDNY office has over Mueller in investigating Trump's nefarious activities.

. . .

[quote]“This is why I’ve been saying for months that the Southern District of New York investigation presents a much more serious threat to the administration, potentially, than what Bob Mueller is doing,” Chris Christie, a former New Jersey governor and former federal prosecutor, told ABC News earlier this month.

[quote]Elaborating on MSNBC, Christie said that SDNY, unlike Mueller, has “no restrictions on their purview.”

[quote]“Bob Mueller has a task: It’s Russian interference and potential collusion in the 2016 election,” he said. “Southern District of New York is whatever the heck you want.”

. . .

Rick Wilson:

If Donald Trump asked Whitaker to interfere in the Cohen investigation with the sdny, we've entered some brand new obstruction of justice territory.

It doesn't matter if Whitaker didn't do it. It matters that Trump asked.

[quote]Now Trump denies calling McCabe’s wife a “loser.” Unreal.

Isn't there a tweet or ten when he did that?

Again, I thank everyone who posts. Your comments and insight keep me sane.

I thank almost everyone I haven't blocked who posts. Lots of crap from television or verified tv news producers Twitter accounts have no nuance owing to character lengths and trollbot pollution. It's exhilarating to read opinion and explanation from people who digest actual news from multiple sources, who see that the Emperor truly has no clothes and is not wearing superSpanx that negates his insulin resistance, gives him three inches more in height, and bestows superstablegenius powers.

I am waiting for some states' Attorneys General to join in the lawsuit with sixteen states, once they see that funds for their own states' emergencies are appropriated for the mythic wall.

Two seperate stories today.

Not as much being reported on the Flynn/Saudi scandal.

Was he giving them the nuclear codes?

The fuck is going on in that administration?

I just can't get over the pardon power. Why wouldn't he just undermine the whole thing with it? And where are his tax returns?

I’m surprised we didn’t hear more about Barr's history of supporting Presidential pardons. Unlike the illegal conduct in the Reagan Iran-Contra scandal, however, there are a lot of state-level Trump crimes that he can’t do anything about.

I keep hearing two different things. On the one hand he's President so he has unlimited, unrestricted pardon power for federal crimes. OTOH, if he pardons someone who is convicted of a crime for which he is also being investigated it's considered obstruction of justice or some other such crime. I wish a lawyer who understands all this would weigh in.

Barr can fuck with the SDNY FBI operation.

Bajour!

Closing.

This.

Thread.

Out.

Simply put....he cant pardon anyone he participated in a crime with.

R594, as I understand it, the President can pardon anyone (unless and until his is impeached). However, the fact that a pardon was given to another person can be used as evidence against the President himself. In other words, the pardon is good, but that cannot stop it from being evidence of obstruction against the President.

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