Willie Brown: Kamala (and the rest) can't beat Trump

Does Willie Brown not have a head?

A blind lapdog could beat the criminal/traitor, Trump.

Well that stings considering that Willie and Kamala had a thing if the rumors are to be credited.

Worthless analysis. 75k votes. Hopefully the Bernouts that switched their votes to Trump learned their lesson. Also the amount of people that stayed home purely because they knew he wasn't going to win is drastically underestimated.

Willie knows whoever gets the nomination will be president.

I agree with him that charisma is (sadly) probably the most important factor in winning American presidential elections in the modern era. We've seen it with Clinton vs. Bush, Clinton vs. Dole, Bush II vs. Gore, Bush II vs. Kerry, Obama vs. McCain, Obama vs. Romney, and now Trump vs. Clinton. Americans like candidates who can move them emotionally, and Obama was able to do it with inspiration while Trump did it with anger/comedy.

That said, there are at least three candidates on the Dem side that fit that bill -- Biden, Beto, and Bernie. Kamala and Cory are also charismatic. Castro to some extent. No one else who has announced they are running or is likely to run comes close. So, we have a lot of strong possibilities this time around, compared to last time. One of the six people I mentioned will likely be the next President.

We also have the benefit of the following:

--Not having a candidate with close to Hillary's level of baggage (or drummed up public hatred thanks to decades of conservative media attacks) --Being more prepared for Russian interference (which will inevitably occur) --Mueller's report on the horizon (which, while it may not implicate Trump directly, will at the least make him look very bad) --Trump's terrible approval ratings

So, I'm confident, but it's good to have reminders like this so we don't underestimate the charisma factor.

r5 Sorry to burst your bubble, but looks trump charisma most of the time in American politics. We are a bunch of vain assholes.

That’s what I keep coming back to, R6, except I think looks and charisma can be kind of wrapped up together. For that reason I still think Beto is the best bet.

There was nothing impressive about that speech.

r7 That's true, but I think women are itching for a female president now, and they just might make it happen.

bump

It sounds like he is envious of Kamala Harris' success. Was she the one doing the dumping?

BTW, OP tends to start threads about how badly the Democrats will do.

He doesn't like Kamala, and hasn't hidden it:

"The difference is that Harris is the only one who, after I helped her, sent word that I would be indicted if I “so much as jaywalked” while she was D.A. That’s politics for ya."

He’s right - she can’t beat him. If a white woman couldnt, you can bet a black woman can’t. That’s just the sad truth. The last election proved America is not ready for a female president anytime soon.

I think a dream pairing would be Beto on top and Kamala on bottom. It would work nice as a presidential ticket, too.

Willie Brown makes a lot of sense in that article. If everyone thinks like R2, Trump is guaranteed to win.

R3, Harris writes about her having dated Brown in her book lol. It's no secret.

He’s right.

It’s Biden time.

What has Beto done to earn the nomination? I am so fucking tired of men I could fucking scream! Have people forgotten the interference with the last election? And Biden? HELL NO!

R18, he's charismatic, young, raises huge sums from small donors, has a huge email list. Beyond that, I'm not sure yet.

I fear he'll be nominated. He's too nice. Can't defend us from enemies, foreign and domestic. At least not anytime soon.

Joe and Robert will be the P and VP respectively. At least the nominees. BTW Kamala's mother was Indian and Hindu.

r18, I understand your yearning for a female president; I want one too. But right now, all the fuck I care about is who can fucking BEAT TRUMP. And Beto is in many respects, like the white Obama, so his chances are good. Kamala is like the female Obama, so she has a strong chance too, but not as strong as his.

Of course, we could all be wrong. No one thought Obama could eventually win the presidency before he actually did. And Kamala has a strong ability to emote in her public speakings, which I've been impressed with.

Putin would run laps around President Beto O’Rourke. He’d be a fawn in headlights.

[quote] BTW Kamala's mother was Indian and Hindu.

Aww, R20, did you just start reading the newspaper? She was also Attorney General of California. Her dad is African-American -- did you know?!

Keep reading!

r20, Robert DeNiro?

R23 No asshole I've know all along. BTW her father was not African American BUT Jamaican! Next time do your research before you get cute on here you moronic dilettante.

R25, the Indian thing seems like something you think no one knows -- you must have just learned it, to highlight it for everyone here like it's something otherwise not previously widely known.

I saw the SOTU address. It was horrifying. Did he see the same one I saw?

Joe Pesci and Robert De Niro, R20?

So in the Presidential election in the year that marks 100 years since women earned the vote it will be a contest between men? That is really inspiring! NOT!!

[QUOTE]I saw the SOTU address. It was horrifying. Did he see the same one I saw?

White America loved it.

[quote]White America loved it.

Only the Republican part, which is the part that watched it the most.

[QUOTE]Only the Republican part, which is the part that watched it the most.

If you say so.

You were probably also telling us how Hillary was a slam dunk leading up to the 2016 election. Keep underestimating this buffoon and his appeal to white Americans at your peril.

He won't be in office by the time the 2020 election takes place - he'll "retire" though it's really a resignation given his crimes.

[quote]If you say so.

I am just quoting the polls that came out right after the SOTU address, which say that the Republicans were the majority of the audience.

And what or who are you quoting when you say that the (entire) "White America loved it"?

-- Trump’s State of the Union polled well … because Republicans watched it

[QUOTE]He won't be in office by the time the 2020 election takes place - he'll "retire" though it's really a resignation given his crimes.

😂 Keep fantasizing.

Going by the network spread I think more then just white republicans watched.

Just under 46.8 million people — 46.79 million, to be precise — watched President Trump's address to Congress across 12 networks, about 3 percent more than watched a year ago.

Fox News led the field 11.27 million viewers from 9-10:30 p.m. ET, off slightly from the 11.5 million who watched the 2018 SOTU.

NBC topped broadcast networks with 7.14 million viewers,

followed by CBS (6.68 million)

and ABC (5.91 million).

MSNBC (3.79 million)

and CNN (3.47 million).

The four broadcast networks and big three cable news outlets combined for 42.46 million viewers.

PBS, Telemundo, Univision, Fox Business and CNNe combined to averaged 4.33 million.

You're linking to Vox, R34, really?

That's not a break-down by political party affiliation, R36.

[quote]Going by the network spread I think more then just white republicans watched.

And I am not sure how you deducted that "more then just white republicans watched" from those numbers. There is no mention of race.

Try not to underestimate the posters here. Some are rather informed.

[quote]You're linking to Vox, [R34], really?

CNN?

-- (CNN)President Donald Trump's State of the Union address drew a deeply Republican audience, which largely gave the President strong reviews for his address from the House chamber, according to a CNN poll conducted by SSRS immediately following the speech.

We know

Willie Brown is a real fool.

Thanks for trolling, Boris! You can tell Putin not to kill your mother now - well done, comrade!

I have to agree with you OP.

Now, I am a hardcore liberal, but even I wouldn’t be shocked if the president gets re-elected in 2020. The reasons are 1) he is a sitting president which means that while the dems are fighting it out the republicans can coalesce behind their nominee and start raising a war chest of funds for 2020 (he already is), 2) his group of core supporters has never wavered in their support- while most presidents see their popularity decline with their base, his has not, and 3) the electoral college. States like Mississippi and Alabama are locks to support him, and it’s really just been a question of which states will likely be battleground, and he can concentrate on those in the general election.

So far, the democratic candidates are either great but too insider (Biden), have already made some serious missteps (Warren), or don’t have a chance in hell of getting the nomination. When you factor in the fact that the dems fractured on ideological lines (the Bernie bros refusing to vote for anyone not him) it gets hard to see how the dems can topple his organized campaign. Furthermore, AOC and the green new deal is framing the DNC, whether they know it or not, and a pull that far left is going to cost them voters.

Now, I do think 2020 is going to be good for the dems (the tax refund problem and the thoughts on border security are much easier to make at state level), but until the dems play by the new campaign strategy, he will get re-elected

[quote] That said, there are at least three candidates on the Dem side that fit that bill -- Biden, Beto, and Bernie.

You're absolutely right that those are the three (likely) Democratic candidates with the most charisma and the "it" factor. And, of course, DataLounge hates all three of them! If you even suggest that one of those 3 men ought to be our nominee instead of someone like Harris or Warren, you will be labeled a misogynist! And DataLoungers still cling to the mistaken notion that voters are only interested in a candidate's experience and policy positions, despite overwhelming historical evidence to the contrary.

Willie Brown said he helped both Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom. Maybe he is now jealous of both of them.

R25 Missy you didn't know her father was Jamaican. Shut up and run off to the dunce's corner you fool.

R45 Willie is jealous. Kamala gave him some on the side sex and had great kinks with him. Now she has surpassed him. Greasy Gavin has surpassed him as well. Willie does have some sort of sartorial elegance though. I love his (at least) 6000 Brioni suits

I meant 6000 dollar suits.

Gavin and Kamala are whores.

Can you serve as president from a prison cell?

I am sensing a say after the 2020 election which will make 2016's day after look like a Mardi Gras celebration.

DLers: For the love of god, please get outside your bubbles and realize that Trump is not even close to being hated by the mainstream of America as he is here and other prog sites. Look, at least educate yourselves as to what's actually happening rather than continually reinforcing your personal denial. Otherwise there is going to be a mass mental breakdown among our brethren.

And please stop with the Russian troll shit. It has become more than tiresome and it helps nothing.

R51 I agree that is why Robert and Uncle Joe will be on the ticket. Pervy Uncle Joe to get those deplorable flyover voters and Robert O'Rouke to placate the SJW progressive wing of the party. After whores like Clinton and Trump being President, Creepy Uncle Joe's antics will be considered minuscule in comparison.

What did Kamala see in this ugly old man. I do sense some bitterness of a lover spurned in that writing. What Trump has and always has had is his base. During his two years in office, Trump has not reached out to anyone beyond that which is why his approval ratings have been in the toilet.

The difference between then candidate Trump & now is that we can see the emperor has no clothes. Most Americans have no respect for his presidency and are pretty much ignoring him. His every tweet is no longer water cooler talk. People like Willie B forgets that Trump did not win the majority & squeaked by due to winning several midwestern states. There's some evidence today that people in those particular states like Michigan, are starting to regret their votes for him.

I wouldn't take it for granted & fight for every vote but Trump is a weakened president. The one thing the American public absolutely hate, is a President constantly under investigation. It's one of the reasons that Hillary lost --when Comey decided to interfere at the last minute, it reminded lots of Americans that if Hillary won she'd be subject to endless investigations by a Republican congress . I do believe that's one of the reasons Hillary lost. And I think it will be a big reason why Trump won't get reelected.

[quote] Robert and Uncle Joe will be on the ticket. Pervy Uncle Joe to get those deplorable flyover voters and Robert O'Rouke to placate the SJW progressive wing

No way no how will you have two straight white guys on the ticket.

Nobody cares about Willie Brown. Next.

"Trump is good at elections"....Lol.

Yeah, especially that last one where he came in second by three million votes! He's THAT good!

I must have seen a different SOTU. Trump sounded like an idiot and that tie tucked up his jacket made him look like a retard. I can't wait until they drag his mammoth ass out of the White House.

No R57, you did not see a different SOTU speech. You saw the same speech through different eyes.

People in my area of FL saw it as masterful. I am dead serious.

He should have titled his little screed, "Why isn't anyone paying attention to me!?"

Trump barely won, if you can even call it a win. He's done.

He's just.jealous, and desperate for attention.

Brown has been in her pants, so he's probably a good judge of what she's capable of achieving. I'd accept his assessment.

R62 = Willie Brown

I admire your optimism R56

There are more than a few people who believe that political newbie Trump's loss to the most famous female politician in the world with 30 years' experience by 3 million votes that did not add any benefit to the overall count is a very BAD indicator.

I can’t imagine why anyone would think Trump can’t be beat - except for the media since it’s the best narrative for them. People doing their tax returns right now hate him. He’ll shut down the government again. I doubt PA, MI and WI will go for him again, if he’s not in chains by then.

I think the Dems have the electoral college advantage this time. They are unlikely to make the electoral college mistakes Hillary did and Dems will be strongly motivated to get out and vote. Once the campaign starts unforeseen mistakes could occur on both sides however, making predictions difficult. Nominating a real left winger might also be a mistake for the Dems. The GOP might do well to dump Trump and go for a cleaner rightwinger like Sasse.

Poor, jealous Willie. Name checking others and mentioning who he use to fuck, for attention. He should just STFD and STFU. He just looks sad.

That being said, I agree with R51.

According to most recent polls DT's approval ratings are at fifty-two percent (52%).

Unseating an incumbent POTUS is not an easy task. Just as "president" Romney how that went in 2012. In fact democrats are largely in same position as GOP was for that election. All they've really got is a hatred for DT; but that isn't alone going to be enough to put them over in 2020.

Overall the US economy is doing rather well; unemployment is down to record levels and so forth. Unless the Muller investigations turn up indictable offenses on DT, what else are democrats going to use in efforts to unseat Trump.

Democrats are also playing the same game Obama and DNC did back in 2020; hoping GOP will nominate a certain person (DT) so they have a punching bag/target. But what if GOP doesn't nominate DT; but some sensible or at least reasonable other candidate.

Thus far don't see any democrat who has thrown their hat into ring with a remote shot of beating DT. Ms. Harris and Corey Booker don't stand an ice cube in Hell change; too many have neither forgotten nor forgave Barack Obama becoming first AA POTUS, and they aren't in any mood to see another occupy that office again so soon.

The Covington thing and the abortion bills in Va and NYC are motivating the GOP base as well though. As well as the noises from the left wing of the Dems about socialism, e.g. Warren and AOC. That plays into it. The Dems being captive to the SJWs may play into GOP hands.

NYS^

Only in America could the worst President in the history of the United States be elected to a second term.

The Democratic Party is becoming the Party of Foolishness. Too many fools declaring this to be their year. They're losing sight of what matters. They need to unite and offer us a strong, intelligent candidate.

Willie Brown is a halfwit, plain and simple.zas

Bernie Sanders and the Oscar-Cortez woman will ruin it for the democrats in 2020; just as Bernie messed with Hillary Clinton's chances back in 2016.

Democrats are split into two very different camps. And by most accounts the SJW group is growing and becoming more boisterous. The old guard (Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi for a start) will be hard pressed to find a solution. Democrats need that energy and youth votes; but nearly none of their platform stands any chance of becoming reality.

Agree with you, too, R73.

[quote] Only in America could the worst President in the history of the United States be elected to a second term.

It happens.

[quote]Now, I am a hardcore liberal, but even I wouldn’t be shocked if the president gets re-elected in 2020.

John Oliver agrees with you. From last night's appearance on the Colbert show:

British comedian John Oliver thinks President Donald Trump could be in for a second term, calling those who think America is halfway through his presidency optimistic. “We just passed the midterm point in Trump’s hopefully first and only term. Some people are saying ‘ah, the end is in sight.’ I definitely don’t have that kind of optimism. To say we’re halfway through his presidency I think is to ignore the concept of a second term possibility.”

Sadly, I agree. If the Mueller report doesn't contain the bombshells so many of us are expecting, I expect 2020 to be a real horse race. The Republicans & Russia are even better at media (and social media) manipulation today than they were two years ago, and the American electorate isn't getting any smarter.

I think it's the Democrats that have the edge, no matter who is nominated. I worked to get Harley Rouda elected and finally get rid of that vile POS Dana Rorbacher. Not only did Harley win, but all 7 of our districts here in OC went Democrat.

I was surprised at how many Trump voters are sick and embarrassed of him. So many said they voted for him primarily to shake things up, and are sorry now. Anecdotal yes, but I hope it's true.

When did Willie Brown start toming for Trump?

My co-workers thought it was the best SOTU ever. If they are indicative of anything, we're in for another 4 years.

[quote]The Republicans & Russia are even better at media (and social media) manipulation today than they were two years ago, and the American electorate isn't getting any smarter.

I wonder if you would be so good as to link us to a few examples of this magical Russian propaganda that turns Democratic voters into Republicans.

R79, Walmart employee.

R78 There are two Ts in Tomming.

[quote] According to most recent polls DT's approval ratings are at fifty-two percent (52%).

Did you post that in another thread? Didn't others recognize the numbers as coming from Rasmussen which leans Republican? Didn't other posters offer several other, more neutral, polls showing that his approval ratings are around 40%? And you still keep doing this?

ALL POLLS:

55.1% DISAPPROVE

40.3% APPROVE

Arizona will be in okay for the Democrats in 2020.

play not okay

R83,

Nope didn't post information previously. Just showed up while reading Google news earlier yesterday.

He is right.

Trump is not even at 30% W Bush levels of unpopularity yet people think it's impossible for him to win again.

Unfortunately, Trump will likely win because the Democrat primaries will be vicious and the fractures from 2016 have never been healed

Trump will win because the voters told the Democrats in 2008 and again in 2016 that we don't particularly need or want a woman President. So naturally the Democrats will be bound and determined to nominate another woman just to let the voters know what sexist pigs they are. Then in mid-November of 2020 they will start crying about what misogynists the voters turned out to be.

The only Democrat who could beat Trump objectively speaking is Bernie Sanders. Data from 2016 (that was ignored) indicated that and Sanders is the only Senator to enjoy high popularity ratings.

Democrats need high millennial turnout, to win back the Rust Belt, win with rural white voters, and win enough white males and females to cancel out the Republicans' advantage with white voters.

R89 is right. Trump fills huge arenas everywhere he goes, while tens of thousands more wait outside just to listen. Hillary never came close to drawing crowds like that. But Bernie did. I have no idea whether the DNC stole the nomination from Bernie, but I do know that he is the only politician in the USA to rival Trump in his power to fill huge arenas.

R90, The people wanted Bernie. The establishment wanted Hillary because it was her turn.

Hillary struggled to fill venues because she is not a newcomer to national politics. People love the shiny new toy. Hillary was not the shiny new toy like Trump, Bernie, or Obama.

Hillary also ran on incremental change and the status quo. People despise the status quo and do not want incremental change. They want sweeping radical reform to the system which is what Bernie and Trump promised.

Zzzzzzzz.

Aren’t Bernie and his wife under criminal investigation?

R89, R90 and R91 - Sanders will have another opportunity in 2020. And he will lose in the primaries again, because he can't get enough people to vote for him. I'm curios to see who you will blame for his loss this time around.

r94 #stillwithering sorry to inform you that Bernie polls second behind Biden in recent presidential polls. Biden will tank again when people learn more about him and Bernie's numbers will grow. I know it's hard having a presidential candidate who represents the people instead of their big corporate donors, but maybe you'll get used to it.

I am not even a Bernie Bro. I did not support him in 2016. But if he is the one who can pull out the victory, then sign me up.

A lot of Dems attacking Dems in the media and online. Plus a fractured party. How are they supposed to win?

Friendly reminder that he actually lost by 3 million votes and only won by some fun electoral math. Also, the midterms were a fucking massacre largely based on him. So...not a quality take here.

[quote] Aren’t Bernie and his wife under criminal investigation?

No.

His wife is, yes, because of the mess she made of that college she was the President of.

#NeverBernie

A LOT of people feel that way

[quote] His wife is, yes, because of the mess she made of that college she was the President of.

She was acquitted. Google.

How about the working class and middle class Trumpsters who OWE money this year? You think those morons will vote for 'I'm smart, I don't pay' taxes Trump again?

People surely cannot be such imbeciles.

R103, you underestimate the stupidity of Americans. Yes, they are willing to overpay on their taxes in order to continue having a racist President in office that will build the wall and detain Central American migrants and their children.

Hillary was right when she called them deplorables

Hillary 2020!

Wow, this thread is crawling with concern trolls, right wing deplorable trash, and the Log Cabin parody troll. They are SCARED to death of their Dear Leader losing in 2020, which is the likely outcome. Cry harder, dears. But enough with the trolling. No one here believes you.

No Bernie (77) and No Biden( 76) - they will be 2 years older at inauguration. They are too old! There really should be an age limit for such a stressful and important position.

I don't want a 100 year old Jewish president.

First off the SOTU address was a big hit and the media has admitted it, reluctantly. Trump's number went to 52% which confounds his critics, especially when he just pushed a shut down down people's throats. He has out played his opposition at every turn. Muller's report will be a dud and that will give him the advantage. The Dem's have a problem with the ultra left pushing the party toward socialism which I think will make the difference in his victory. We are not a socialist country.

^^^^^^^You forgot the Uranium 1 endictments!

Do we have the trolls-in-training program visiting us today? They're all over DL today. I bet someone posted some link to DL on some Trumptard board.

r111, you're a loon. Get healed.

None of these pundits are worth a damn. It's not about votes or charisma or whatever shit they use to justify 2016. All it boils down to is: TRUMP CHEATS! If you don't deter that, there is essentially no election, just gaslighting on a national scale.

We are a socialist country. Socialism created the middle class in America.

Public schools, Social Security, Medicare, are all socialist programs. All remain very popular with the public as well. Of course the rich hate it and hate paying taxes for these programs. Truthfully,the tax hikes on the rich that Bernie, Elizabeth, and AOC endorse aren't something radical or new to the system. They're the same progressive tax rate we had in the 50s- under a Republican president at that. The rich assholes like Howard Schultz can kick and scream all they want- a socialist president that gets votes from both Dems and Republicans working people will be elected in America very soon (wouldn't be surprised if it's AOC) because the middle class is gone. The working poor are desperate. The message of populism resonates. The word is no longer taboo or associated with commies for millennials.

Don't forget the GI Bill, R114. It is basically the entire basis of the post-WWII middle class explosion. Let's see the fucking Repugs attack the GI Bill and its socialist nature.

And, before the idiots start chiming in about how those things aren't socialist blahblahblah, read this...

PORTSMOUTH, N.H. — Sen. Kamala Harris told a crowd Monday that she would push for the federal government to rename Columbus Day “Indigenous Peoples’ Day," a focal point for some progressives who say the holiday should emphasize the history of Native Americans instead of the European conquerer.

“Sign me up,” Harris said in response to a voter's question of whether she would support the initiative to rename the holiday. She spoke of her own efforts in the Senate to make lynching a federal crime.

Kamala's really terrible at reading the political landscape outside of California, isn't she?

Thank you, NEXT!

Yep. That'll go over really well in the Red States.

R54 Yes we will if we want to win. KH will be a disaster for us.

R114 No. Populism is alive with an asshole like Trump because of his snake oils salesmanship. No one in The Red states likes so-called socialism at all. There are elements of socialism in The US but by and large crazy fucks like Bernie and AOC will scare most of America nuts with their unpopular hardcore socialist ideas.

R90 I preferred Bernie but Democrats legitimately voted for Hillary. Bernie had a lot of hype behind him but Democratic voters wanted and got Hillary much more than Bernie.

Bernie and Biden are losers.

R123 thanks Gonad Trump. You are such a winner!

^Youre welcome. My sphincter has a better chance at being president.

Gonad you have Dirty Asshole Face so you are wrong. No one likes dirty assholes deary.

Trump will win again.

If we put up people like Kamala and Bernie we will lose. Uncle Joe and Robert O can beat Gonad Trump and Nutbag Pence.

If Bernie and Biden are losers, what does that make Hillary?

Uncle Joe is tarnished with the stain of Anita Hill. LOSER. Your Robert O voted with the Rethuglicans 70% of the time. LOSER.

In polls only Bernie can beat Trump.

Bernie couldn’t beat Hillary let alone Trump.

Well, Sanders is the only one who can beat Trump. He's the only person who will rip away some of Trump's rural support.

R131 A primary, where he started off with zero name recognition, is hardly comparable to a general election.

Grandpa Bernie couldn’t beat a toddler in a go kart with a head start.

R130 Nobody gives a shit about Anita Hill today. It was a big deal at the time, but in the days of "Me Too" it kind of pales and looks like ancient history small potatoes.

Joe Biden voted in favor of Condi Rice getting a promotion after she failed to recognized the importance of the 9/11 memo.

If Bernie is a grandpa, what does that make Biden? He's only a year younger than Bernie.

If Bernie is a grandpa, what does that Pelosi? She's a year older than Bernie.

"Why is every Dem except Biden unpopular?" is an interesting Q that no one has answered. Quinnipiac has literally every other Dem underwater -- even Inslee, who is barely known, is -4.

[quote]When did Willie Brown start toming for Trump?

Willie is always like this - trashing Dems and claiming the other side is owning us. Even when it's patently untrue. He loves to be a contrarian, to seem like some sort of political seer. There's no reason to give him the attention he craves.

[quote]Grandpa Bernie couldn’t beat a toddler in a go kart with a head start.

Bernie got his ass handed to him in California, the most progressive state in the union. The idea that all of lefty America is clamoring for him is absurd. If we don't want him out here, how the fuck is he going to win red or purple states?

He’s contrarian

Beto changes everything