Nichol Olsen: murder-suicide investigation Part 6

I am going through YouTube and these threads trying in vain to view the ex’s video tribute. Please post link again Thanks

Where’s the new thread??

Dr. Oz will be discussing the case today as well. On the episode with Ted Bundy. Not sure what is going to be discussed though. Probably about mental health or fillicide. Are we on 6.1 instead of 7?

Thanks for reviving this one, OP.

This one’s at a standstill until that dopey Sheriff gets the tox screen results back. Do they test the children, too?

R4 I would assume they would to see if they were drugged.

London's aunt posted this on her FB and says that it's of the few things that they have worked with. Putting aside that NO's friends have been very vocal/accusatory and CM has made his grieving so public, the sobering fact is that the two young girls were victims of murder by a gun, claiming so many children's lives.

R6 Ugh, why must they make this political? Should've guessed the family was liberal. If they refuse to blame NO, no one left to blame but the gun. So wrong.

I agree R6 and yes very liberal. A lot of anti Trump posts and anti wall.

The mom is from Mexico according to her Facebook - dad most likely also.

By mom is from Mexico - do you mean London's father's mom? I'm getting all these people mixed up.

I hate guns but bringing guns up with this case is absurd. Is there anyone in America, even on the left, who wants to ban people who have no criminal record from keeping a gun inside their house? Shit, even Europeans usually have a method for people to do that - register a gun for hunting or belong to a gun club or something. And they're way to the left of the US.

Ridiculous to even mention it, in this case.

R10, SO agree! Yet there they've gone...

I have a hard time believing that London said to her aunt: "When I die, can you do that for the monkeys for me?" I don't think this is how kids that age talk, I have a niece a little older and I can't imagine her saying something like that to me. Most kids understand their older relatives will die before them, and London already lost at least 2 grandparents. Maybe Nichol threatened to kill them all before, and she lived in fear of getting her brains blown out, but seems like the aunt would question why she thought she would die.

Not saying that London didn't love monkeys and want to help them, but why was she preoccupied with death at her age?

Yes. London’s paternal grandmother. Figured that is why they see this wall talk as political BS

R12, everyone involved in this case on Nichol's side is strange and a little deceptive.

London’s aunt posted something on FB about the “hypocrisy” of all the ppl offering her condolences over London’s death because some of these same people want to “keep them out.” Obviously poor paraphrasing of the post but I believe she was talking about the people that are “pro” border security/the wall? I was pretty shocked that THAT came to her mind in the midst of this tragedy.

Yes, I now see that is what she is talking about. I thought she was speaking of a relative.

No surprise, these Nichol Olsen threads filled with flyover-frau Trump supporters.

R15, I read her post and never thought of that! So odd her trying to connect the two; they have no relevance to one another. She seems like a weirdo, overall. Is she going throw something on a mug and sell it now?

Sounds like Auntie's going to latch on to this new angle, right through to 2020. 😑

R12, I agree. That doesn’t ring true. I’m surrounded by kids 24/7, and it’s unusual for them to talk about their own mortality seriously. They understand that everyone dies, but it’s not something they usually think about enough to make plans for. It would be normal if she said she wanted to adopt the monkeys, or she wished they could be free or in nicer enclosures. It would be normal to express a wish or projection as “when I’m a grown-up”. It’s not normal to express a wish or projection “when I die”

It sounds like an embellishment by the aunt. Or that London was contemplating her own death.

The aunt is extremely liberal/atheist, what have you. In one of her posts she lamented the Christian funeral and told her toddler that there was no God. I would think a death like that would at least allow for some agnosticism instead of outright atheism, if only for the duration of the grieving period. Carlos is a devout Christian.

I thought the aunt took down the fundraiser post, but it's still up. She's an atheist and apparently she and her kids were uncomfortable during the religious service. Carlos responded and apologized, not sure why that was necessary. This was his comment. I was struck moreso by the beginning, he really is in major denial.

God didn't choose for London to die. An evil, wicked, sinful person murdered her. That person ended her life. In that service we didn't want to talk about our ladies in that manner.

What the pastor referred to was London's soul being called to heaven after she had been murdered. We, as Christians, said "amen" as a unified people coming in agreement that London's soul is in heaven with God.

I'm not here to argue about God's existence. I'm simply trying to explain a misunderstanding. I'm so sorry you and your child misinterpreted what was being said. From your perspective it sounds very disrespectful. I apologize for that. I'm so sorry that those words ruined a precious moment for you. I'm positive the pastor would be happy to apologize to you as well and better explain what he was really saying.

If we don't take the time to listen & understand each other's perspectives, we'll get no where together. I'm sorry Emma.

Well, she's just the aunt. I would not think it would be necessary to apologize to her? Unless she was living with her/pretty much her guardian? Is that the case?

Poor Carlos. He was just trying to placate that stupid aunt. Link to the aunt's fb pls? She sound like a nutbar.

R24 here you go.

Looks like she had the girl lots of weekends and family vacations. They live in Austin. When you see the miles between the two, doesn't look bad, but the traffic is horrible. You can be sitting in Austin traffic for an hour just to leave.

Her family sacrificed a lot for that child. And she never really mentions the dad. Such as - he dropped her off or we met halfway. But then if he had her, would be no need for the aunt to have her.

I've said a lot about Carlos, mainly negative, but he doesn't have to apologize for having a service of his choosing for his daughter. I don't think the aunt was looking for an apology either.

R26, in her birthday post she mentioned the dad calling her and telling her to come for the child's birthday while they were nearby. So the dad had her sometimes and probably along with the aunt, but it sounds like the latter took her a lot.

R12 R20 by itself it sounds very odd that a 10yr would say “ when I die”. The post doesn’t put into context. I guess the aunt took her to the zoo and showed her the upgrade or something that was done to the tortoise enclosure that was done in honor of her grandmother after she passed (made it sound like the family has donated) Then when London saw the monkey enclosure she said that perhaps when she died someone would make their cage bigger in her honor..... I can’t find the story from the aunt but I do remember seeing it. It might be on the gfm page.

This aunt of London’s has been the family’s mouth piece. She’s hired a lawyer and makes it her job to make sure that London’s image and her name isn’t being used for fundraising etc. She has 2 FB accounts and she and CM have a very wordy exchange regarding the “fundraising” and how she doesn’t want to be hit with a tax bill etc. CM also mentions his attorney....

The families are filled with such an odd cast of characters. The more I learn about the families, the less surprised I am by Nichol's actions.

Here is the Dr. Oz piece from today...

I don't understand how this story is getting so much attention based on what her friends are saying. I just read a story today about a woman in NJ who killed her toddler son, then burned his body and put his remains in her purse and hid it under a shed. Someone who is good friends with her said she couldn't believe it, she is the nicest person blah, blah, blah. This woman had a fashion/beauty YouTube channel, praised her husband and children on FB, posted tons of selfies. She confessed, so there is no doubt. You just don't know people and the friends' reaction, is the typical reaction. What makes Nichol's case any different?

People can't believe it because she was beautiful. Period. If she and her daughters had been ugly, there would be about 1/2 the speculation

For the birthday party, the father was almost nearby - almost to the grandparents house. The aunt and family were getting ready to leave to go back to Austin. They waited for him to get there and then go out to dinner.

Maybe it's just the sheriff casting doubt on it so we've got a "mystery" but in the case you're talking about, there's no doubt, so there's not much to sit around and conjecture (and raise money) about. Well, I guess you could still raise money for funerals but you know... money to "get to the bottom of things" and get that bad guy who might get away with murder. If they released the ME's findings, why didn't they go a couple steps further to shut this down: did she have gunshot residue on her hands? when they took Charlie in, did he have this residue on him - or any blood splatter - or was there anything like that in his truck? If not, I think it wouldn't have gone so far.

And the blonde on the end of Dr Oz's panel said Nichol didn't have any suicidal thoughts. How in hell would anyone on earth, besides Nichol, know that for sure?

yes - it was the "she was too beautiful" to do this comments are what drew me to this case

If Nichol did confide anything to anyone, would they tell? There seems to be this conspiracy amongst her friend/family supporters that she was perfect and he is guilty. I don't think they'd ever say anything negative to authorities about her. I think she might not have said anything and just snapped. I disagree with a lot of what was said on that panel. Not everyone leaves suicide notes.

Is it just me or does anyone else find Nichol not beautiful? I think she was attractive and well put together, but I don't find her beautiful. Likewise, I think the kids were cute, but not spectacular.

I find it funny when MSM calls NO a devoted mother... She was estranged from her son until recently. Her daughters were with relatives most of the time. She moved them into a home with a man everyone in her camp has said he was everything from abusive to violent and a crazy drunk... She was devoted but to her social life and her friends not to her children.

I hadn't read anything about the estrangement with her son. I saw in the court records that she didn't have custody when the father divorced her.

R39. There’s a post by one of her clients where she recaps the last conversation she had with her and how NO told her that she had recently “restored” her relationship with her son and that she was proud of him....

Check check

R3, The following info was gleaned from the last 10 minutes of today's Dr Oz TV show broadcast today:

No one can confirm that there was gun shot residue on Nichol's hands. The cause of death could be ruled a suicide but later changed with more analysis. Dr Oz and his expert guest discussed the FBI looking into GSR, ballistic trajectory, blood spatter, and Nichol's social profile which led up to the tragedy.

NOW wouldn't gun shot residue on Nichol's hands be the very 1st issue to be thoroughly checked and confirmed before the ME labels the case as M - S? Very suspicious IMHO. Also the same info pointed out weeks ago by Nancy Grace on her podcast.

R39, Nichol's mother raised her son along with her brother until she died in her 40's. Both boys then went to HI to live with Nichol and her 2nd husband CM. Carlos has said that the strain of caring for the two boys along with Nichol being pregnant with Alexa caused the breakup of their marriage. CM was in the US military at the time.

R43, what a messy situation. If I’m feeling uncharitable, I’d say Nichol had babies and then expected other people to do the heavy lifting while she chased cock.

And here I go on my rant about religious fucks dooming women. Instead of getting an abortion at 12 weeks and getting on with her education, her life’s promise was extinguished. She had baggage for every future relationship, another mouth to feed, another kid for her mother to raise, a kid who didn’t feel wanted and wound up a criminal. Tell me again why abortion is so bad.

[quote]Tell me again why abortion is so bad.

Because she had other options besides raising the kid herself or dumping him on her mother. Many, many people would have been standing in line to adopt a healthy infant. He could have been given a fine life.

R44 It would have been perfectly legal for Nichol to have an abortion(s) if she wanted to—that was her CHOICE to make at the time. However that was not the decision she made...so how are “religious fucks” responsible for “dooming” Nichol? With that logic, any time some psycho does something terrible, “well that child molester didn’t get his baby aborted, if he had, it never would have been raped. Thanks religious fucks!” and “welp, blame the religious fucks for that school shooting! His mom could’ve aborted him” (or some other variation of said ridiculous argument). GTFO with that shit.

I can't believe I didn't know she handed her first kid over to her mom so she could start a new life with Carlos far away. To me that is pretty damning piece of info right there. Whenever she wants a new man and a new life, her kids are a hinderance to be gotten rid of.

Why did that dumb ex, Carlos apologize for having a religious service for his daughter? Most funerals are religious/spiritual to some degree. The atheist aunt is the one who should be apologizing for making someone else's grief all about her victimhood because her tender fee fees were offended. What a disgusting piece of shit.

I've always thought Charlie should stay quiet, but I'm beginning to think he should talk. If any corruption happens in this case, it'll be against him. If the FBI was called in to expedite the process, why is it still going on over a month later? Even if he is eventually cleared, they are creating reasonable doubt and his reputation is being irretrievably damaged. If anyone sees these shows and don't follow this case closely, they'll think he's probably guilty. They gloss over a lot of red flags in Nichol's background. The relatives are loving that his name and face is being put on blast. If he doesn't want to be the subject of a Dr. Phil episode with the friends/Carlos/Justin accusing him, Charlie needs to give his side of the story in an interview.

Dear Mrs. current Montez, Please seek legal counsel and file for divorce from CM. His crazy ass posting letters that NO sent him from 14 years ago is a RED Flag!! If you can't afford a lawyer, I'm sure on pro bono once they see how bat shit crazy your husband is. Your welcome!

I wonder if anyone, perhaps a friend or relative that does not live in SA or has drank the "NO didn't kill her kids kool aid" can maybe tell CM that his FB posts regarding his EX wife and their past is really weird and oh so disrespectful toward his current wife? I get that NO is gone and that she's not really a threat to the relationship but this romanticizing of his ex wife that killed herself (according to the ME) and quite possibly killed his daughter first is just strange. And the people that comment... they're just reinforcing his strange behavior!

There is something very wrong with Carlos, but I think most of us figured that out a long time ago. He is a strange and creepy guy. He obviously has no self awareness or self regulation. He focuses on Nichol ore than his daughter. He obviously worshipped Nichol and now views her as celebrity. He also basically admits he barely saw his kid too. TMI, Carlos, TMI! Talk to a psychiatrist.

CM is insane. I’m sure he has some type of personality disorder. Nichol also.

R49, I know what you mean, but respectfully disagree. I think that speaking out will only hurt him in the long run. He’s probably been advised strongly to stay quiet. His legal team is handling that shit. Luckily he can afford the best, and the DA won’t touch him unless there’s solid evidence. I wish someone in the know would give us a hint.

R49, I know what you mean, but I very respectfully disagree. Charlie’s legal counsel has likely warned him to stay quiet and out of the spotlight. No good can come of engaging with his critics, in my opinion.

He’s lucky he has money for lawyers. The DA won’t likely come for Charlie unless they have an airtight case.

Carlos Montez is unhinged, man.

R47, which is why I think she should have gotten an abortion or given her kid up for adoption. Nothing will derail your life faster than a baby, even when you’re ready and planning and want it more than anything.

I have sympathy for young Nichol and understand why she chose what she did, though. The cycle was just perpetuating itself. Sadly, it ended fatally.

R56, At least since the 60's it was the cultural norm for the many minority teens and even pre-teens who got pregnant to keep their babies and to ask their mothers and other relatives to assist with child care.

At 14 Nichol lived with her mother and younger brother and I assume, completed jr high and high school. She then got married when she was almost 18 to her baby daddy. I'm sure she hoped this marriage would last.

Nichol didn't marry Carlos until she was in her 20's. Since her mother was still raising her younger brother it would make sense to leave her son with them. The life of a military wife means who might be moving around the world, moving with about 3 days notice.

R57 it might make sense to you, but not to many others who married men in the military who had kids, and multiple kids at that, to pawn them off to other family members.

Clearly her sons dad had custody of him if she was ordered to pay child support for him.

I'm going to assume CMs booger sugar habit and drinking led to the demise of their marriage, as well as the kids.

R54/55, regarding the airtight case.. if there is corruption involved, you don't what evidence they manipulated to tie him to the crime. I don't think they would plant evidence, but I can see them twisting things to show some doubt of the M-S. I can't think of any other reason this is going on 5 weeks. I think Nichol's friends and family are contacting the media outlets to drum up publicity for this case. They are hell bent on destroying his reputation. I think if Charlie gave an interview, showed he is a real person with real feelings, it would go along way to countering these attacks. Yes, her family will twist anything and everything he says, but who cares about them at this point. He needs to clear his name and generate some public support to put pressure on the sheriff's office to close the case. Right now Nichol's friends and family hold all the cards. She is looking like a saint and he is looking like a villain. He needs a counter-attack at this point.

Don't know^

Someone on the other thread (Part 6, continued) asked about prison records. I looked up NO's mother, brother, father and first husband. Mother and brother are clean. First husband Mr. Nobles has 3 DWI's and a conviction for retail theft. He received a 2 year probation in 2015 for the theft. There are three photos. Rick Olsen was sentenced to 10 years for theft in 1986. He was paroled in 1987. No photo. Texas makes these records available for a small fee. I guess they believe offenders deserve it.

R60 I couldn't agree with you more. All this media and social media coverage makes it sound like he is the white, rich, oil trust fund baby instead of who he really is. If he was such a had person and was some abusive man, no amount of money would keep an ex quiet (and it looks like he dated women that had their own financial means). Of course the only people saying anything bad about him are people from Nichols side.

I want to be so wrong on this. I think NO did it.

I’m not sure who or how it ever discovered that CW had a PR firm. Early on I know NO friends were all saying that With all the publicity and the media coverage one would think that a PR firm or crisis manager would put a stop to it or curve it somehow. At the beginning the friends made it sound like he’d hired an Oliva Pope and that he’d paid off all kinds of people. But the way this has gone he better get his money back!

Charlie and his family are waiting for the Sheriff Dept. to relay to the public all of the evidence that proves Nichol did this (there is plenty) and that he is completely innocent bc it will have more weight coming from them. However they thought this was going to happen 3+ weeks ago. I think patience is wearing thin and they will take some kind of action soon. He deserves for the truth to be finally told. ALL of it.

I think the sheriff will never close this case, just let it die down as 2 "unsolved" homicides. Even though it makes no sense that Nichol would find her murdered daughters and kill herself, but the friends and family are relentless and will not allow Nichol to be seen as a killer. They bragged on SM that Nichol/friends had a connection to Salazar, but deleted the comment, I believe it was Nicole Baptiste. The entire argument, that Nichol was "too beautiful" to do this is insane, but I guess lots of people buy this theory.

Also, for the record, he NEVER went to Aspen, or anywhere else for that matter. That was another blatant lie that someone pulled out of their ass to make him sound like a monster. He has been hunkered down with his family trying to come to terms with everything. They are going through hell.

Yes, R63, her friends and family are drawing a picture of him, obviously an unflattering one. If this was going on a week or 2, I would say he should keep quiet, but after 5 weeks and no end in sight, he needs to do something. Even if he is cleared, he needs to take control of his own image and come out from the shadows. They have relentlessly painted a horrendous picture of this man; he should get on tv and take aim at them, while setting the record straight. I think she did it too, so I don't think he could look bad if he did an interview and told the truth.

R64, I swear he really should fire them if he had a pr team! I used to work in publicity and my advice would be to do an interview. I don't think he has any pr because there has been nothing positive on his side. No one vouching for him, and I don't believe it's because he is a bad person. It's out of respect for him. Now that this is going on so long, he needs to redirect. I am starting to think Nichol's side has a pr team, probably why they circulated he had one. The case itself doesn't have a lot of substance. No real reason to doubt the ME, yet Dr. Oz is talking about it? They have a pr firm or someone pitching the story.

R63, same. Normally I side with the woman, but this one just seems obvious.

R66, I swear I saw that, too, and then it disappeared. NMB and her “foundation” probably have connections to law enforcement, too.

R65 your post seems legit and I hope you are able to pass on to CWs family that there is support out here!

What R70 said!

R70 It is. And I will. Thank you.

R68 You are correct—he doesn’t have a PR firm. Never did (although I hope he hires one now). That was yet ANOTHER lie spread by her friends to try to explain why there was no “dirt” found on Charlie on the internet or in public records. They claimed his “high dollar PR firm” was “scraping the internet” and somehow hiding arrest and other public records. When the truth is that no one dug up anything negative on him (other than salacious, fabricated stories that THEY told), because it doesn’t exist. They also said this fake PR firm was who was putting out all of the negative information on Nichol (DV arrest, divorces, etc) when in reality, any middle schooler with a smart phone could have found that information via a google search. They also accused anyone who DARED defend Charlie as being someone “hired” by this nonexistent PR firm to defend him. They have lied over and over again throughout this case to push their narrative and agenda and whenever one lie is blown up, they try to twist the scenario again with different lies. And some/many people continue to believe them? Everything that points towards him being innocent they say is due to his family paying people off because he’s wealthy. They’ve basically framed him and this entire nightmare in such a way that many of these internet crazies will NEVER believe he’s innocent, no matter what evidence they’re shown bc they’ll believe it was bought and paid for. It’s really scary to think that a bunch of uneducated, catty, dishonest women have the ability to drum up this much chaos and havoc within such a sad and serious situation and to do so completely unchecked. I think they are getting wind of the evidence Sheriff has that proves Nichol did this, without question, and now they’re trying to slink off to the holes they came from. I hope they arent allowed to do so and that they are held accountable in some way.

[quote]Nichol didn't marry Carlos until she was in her 20's. Since her mother was still raising her younger brother it would make sense to leave her son with them. The life of a military wife means who might be moving around the world, moving with about 3 days notice.

WTF? Poo is that you? Must be. I'd recognize your bat shit crazy anywhere. No, most military wives DO NOT dump their kids on relatives like stray dogs or furniture they can't fit in the moving truck. They take them with them wherever they go.

At no point in the miltaty have they ever expected any family to pick up and move within 3 days notice!!! It is a lengthy process, lots paperwork, most families are notified of their new duty station 3-6 months ahead of time. Get out of here! If I called my mom and said I just can’t be a mom, my husband is in the military she would have laughed at me and hung up the phone. Nichols friends pushing publicity and getting it, is exactly what is wrong in our country. You have the media buying into these types of stories for ratings and nothing else. It’s drama, fabricated drama and the media love it. They don’t care if she did it or not they just want to draw in controversy. Her friends just refuse to recognize what happened. Maybe it’s because of their own ego, and has nothing to actually do with Nichol. I’m sorry but I will never believe she was a good mom. Good moms of young children do not ship them off every weekend and do not go out partying every weekend, they do not move their children in to several men’s homes. This is a fact!!!! Wake up people!

R73, thank you. She dumped those kids off on relatives any chance she got, so she could chase cock.

Don’t get me started.

And she killed them - and herself - out of spite and desperation. She wanted to give Charlie and those baby daddies a big fat FUCK YOU. And she succeeded spectacularly. His life is positively ruined. And her extended family is, too. All that discord.

The people in the community she was living in are saying she was a regular at a local bar called the silver fox and the day after her death a close family member on her moms side told friends that she was bipolar. Which explains a lot of the drama in her life. I could see why at the beginning of this her boyfriend or his family would not say any of this publicly (to be respectful of NO) and maybe they still shouldn’t but someone should.

Bipolar wouldn't surprise me. She may have stopped taking medication if she was going down the religious path and felt it was helping her. Medicine is a bitch, and you aren't supposed to drink while on it either (if she was taking meds for it).

Thanks for saying that about those military moves. I did over 20 years. Never saw a family given three days notice to move. Maybe the military member had 3 days to deploy (raise hand here) or go TDY, but a move? No.

R76 The silver fox is a total dive bar next to a trailer park (how fitting)!! Her having a mood disorder or mental illness is something that is way more beliveable than her being a “devoted mom“. I don’t know how she got this saintly reputation.

And what are dive bars normally filled with?

Here's a hint, it rhymes with rugs...

Looking at Silver Fox on Google images. Everyone at that bar is morbidly obese. NO probably stood out among patrons as the only customer with a healthy BMI.

There was a murder/suicide in Texas two days ago. It needed no investigation because it wasn’t staged.

Not sure I believe the Silver Fox story.

R83 I don’t know about the conversation at the silver fox and saying she was bipolar but I know that the two times (about six year apart) that I went she was there with her friends.

It’s a hole in the wall but attracts a crowd. A crowd you wouldn’t expect by the pictures online. Pretty popular in the area for people who live nearby.

R82. There are also survivors in that case. Below is what the intial statement from LE was.

“Investigators are hesitant to label the incident a murder-suicide, saying they prefer to wait and hear from the medical examiner on the official causes of death first. However, they are not searching for any suspects”

R74, Immediate relatives in the military and their closest friends were repeatedly given a maximum of 3 days notice before moving. Perhaps it depends on what branch of the service you're in but throughout my life I've known other military families repeatedly put in the same position.

Unfair of posters to claim Nichol "dumped" her kids. It's extremely common in Black, Hispanic, Asian, and other cultures for grandparents to have primary childcare responsibilities. Also the norm for aunts and godparents to volunteer to step in to assist.

R87. I agree with you and I am not a member of those cultures. I feel sorry for these weirdos who are appalled by family spending time with nieces and nephews. I suppose it sounds weird to those who are used to having “the help” do the raising of the children, which further shows who’s making those posts. They don’t pay a nanny for nothing!

R82 That’s not just completely misleading but downright untrue. You must be one of Nichol’s friends. The Sheriff in that case repeatedly said he was waiting for the ME’s determination before giving his ultimate opinion. More proof that the ME is the best-suited person to make that call after reviewing the evidence. AND in that case there was a damn witness hiding in the closet. GTFO with that bullshit.

Don’t have a hissy fit, Charlie, I mean R89. When that investigation lasts a month I’ll print a retraction.

But Nichol wasn't Hispanic herself.. she was mixed white and black. Boggles my mind why family members raise the kids every weekend. Shouldn't she be part of raising her kids on the weekends, not just 4 out of 7 days a week?

Which branch in the military did this happen R74? I moved as a kid. It wasn't within 3 days of dad's orders either. 🙄

R90 So now you’re acknowledging there is in fact an ongoing investigation in that case? That was easy. Glad you ladies are at least learning to back down when confronted with actual evidence. Idiot.

Not Charlie just someone looking at this with open mind. Look I get it NOs family wanted to see the kids and spend time with them. But let’s all be honest she was not mom of the year. She was not what I would call “devoted” either. She made terrible life choices that effected her children up to her death and theirs. Her son had a shitty child hood and has lots of problems. She was their mom, not the aunts. Her. She should have not been out and about all over town while her children were being tucked in by relatives every damn weekend!! And the military thing, give it a rest. You’re wrong! It’s logistically impossible for any branch of the military to move a family with 3 days notice. The military all branches contract the movement of their families out, those moving appointments must be made in advance. Also they must check out sort of speck of their unit and current base. They need housing to sign off that they didn’t trash their place or they paid they’re rent, they have to turn in equipment, etc. Theu are literally handed a checklist of things the need to get signed off of from different parts of the base or their unit. It is a process. Don’t tell me you know people who have had to move in 3 days that’s a lie. A single solider maybe. For deployment or tdy, but even for deployment you would know it’s coming because you have to have been cleared medically. NO didn’t take care of her kids because she didn’t want to. She probably loves them and it’s probably hard for you her friends to believe this because she talked about how much she loved them with you and how devoted she was to them but let’s be honest she came first. NO always put herself first.

I take it NMB is commenting again with the idiot comment. Or TB.

The investigation is on who murdered those two innocent daughters. We know it was Nichol who killed herself.

Carlos Montez's post, taken from FB:

I spent some time going through a few letters Nichol wrote to me. I even have one from my baby. I was stationed in California and she was living with Alexa in San Antonio. The letters were from 2005, months before I came back to San Antonio for good. I considered sharing some of her thoughts but I'm definitely going to keep those words between us. She was in school at the time and had a lot going on. We were both hopeful that we would find a way to work things out and get back together once I came home. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for us. I'm sorry I wasn't able to keep us together.

I'm grateful for the years we had together. I appreciate the fact that she never used Alexa as leverage or as a way to manipulate any situation. Our divorce decree said I'd have her the 1st & 3rd weekend of every month, or 2nd & 4th, I don't even know. I had Alexa every weekend and Nichol never said no. My mom was there for me when I couldn't be there physically. My sister later came into the picture. Even more so after Kat & I moved and Alexa started staying with Vanessa. We all raised Alexa as a family and we all loved Nichol. We miss her so much.

I'm so happy Nichol found something that she loved doing and was passionate about.

Tomorrow I'll share a little something special for Valentine's Day.

#JusticeForNAL #FlyHighAlexa

I am of a Hispanic culture and I’ll be damned if I am sending my kids off every weekend with family. Hell no! They’re my kids! Take that crap somewhere else. And I don’t have a Nanny either! I’m just a mom!!!!!!! I stay home on the weekends with my kids! Shocking!!! Hard for you girls to believe ha? How the real world works?

Oh please, R87&R89. Grandparents watch the kids when the parents are at work, mainly when they are young. NO worked 4 days a week while her kids where in school. So why did she have to dump them every weekend on fathers that weren't even with the kids? I have no problem with kids spending time with aunts and uncles, but when they are the primary caregiver on a consistent basis, something is wrong. I say this about the fathers pawning off their kids on their sisters too. It is weird!

People are spinning their wheels about whether or not military families might have to move in 3 days notice (I call bullshit) bc some dummy upthread used that as justification for Nichol dumping her kid with family (which turned out to be a trend for the remainder of her life). Bottom line: Carlos said he/they lived in Hawaii. For a number of years. Nothing about being transferred around. They weren’t moving regularly. So it’s a moot point. And even if they were, no loving mother, I don’t care what race you are, would ever allow that circumstance to separate her from her child. No matter how inconvenient it became. And he was a baby for God’s sake—it’s not like he had to transfer school, etc.. Something tells me Nichol was missing the ability to truly bond and connect with her children that most women experience instantly and naturally. The fact that she willing only had them 3-4 days each week is proof of that. She was a true psychopath.

Agree 100%! To the last two posts. I think she was a psychopath and she fooled everybody close to her. They thought they knew her but I think she only let them know what she wanted them to think about her. I feel sorry for them.

R91, Voluntary shared raising of children by grandparents, relatives, godparents, and very close friends would even be more common in Black and mixed race families. Often children are raised alongside their cousins as if they were siblings. Personally know of situations where grandma is/was the primary caregiver as their daughter was going to school and working to be a better provider.

I find it odd that one of NO clients mentioned how NO had rebuilt her relationship with her son as well. What caused a strain in that relationship? Why did his dad have custody and she paid child support?

Maybe the fight was NO arguing with the girls because they wanted to live with their aunts who actually took care of them instead of part time mom.

Probably. I could see that. But NO wasn’t going to school she was scamming rich men and living a fake life.

R100 it's one thing for Grandma to help when mom is at work or school or studying for an exam. It's another when week in and week out, the girls are going to 2 different aunts. They aren't even raised as siblings then.

R91, Uncle was the Sr commander of Tachikawa AFB in Japan. Normal for him to regularly give 3-day notices to pack up and be transferred to another continent to those of lower level rank.

Also babysat for many military families in San Diego as a child who also were given 3-day notices. Throughout my youth schoolteachers explained away the many students who'd suddenly left class as members of military families given a 3-day notice. In fact everyone talked about the "3-day."

Welcome to Websleuths West. Every commenter on this thread is a WS migrant. God, I miss the DL contributions.

There is something to be said about why the 15 year old would want to go to the aunt's every weekend. Usually teens want to be in their own environment, unless they are running away from something. I know kids like this, always at the relatives by their request because their parents are weird and the grandparents are fantastic to them.

R105, never posted once on webslueths, been posting here for years.

The military” 3 day” was thrown into the mix as an excuse so to speak towards NOs reasons for not taking responsibility of her son. Which we all know now, wouldn’t have even mattered. So many years later she was still pawning her kids off on people. She wasn’t going to school or studying for exams. She just didn’t take responsibility of them. Thankfully there were people in the girls lives who stepped up to the plate. Too bad the girls weren’t with those people on that night.

Kids have to get vaccinated, spouse has to pack clothing, movers haul the big stuff such as furniture. Paperwork doesn't even happen within 3 days. An individual soldier already deployed may get transferred within 3 days since he or she is already out in the field and is basically carrying all of their stuff on their back, but their family will not.

Source, my dad who is an Army and Air Force reserve vet who is sitting right next to me, asking why I would even believe this what so ever.

I know!!! I grew up in a military family. Taught overseas in a military school for years, never heard of this 3 day thing. Have many, many immediate family members in all branches, even a few very high ranking. Never heard of the 3 day thing. ????? Fake news!! Lol! I don’t know!

The families probably took the girls every weekend because they knew NO was off her rocker and they needed to be safe and cared for. I don't buy that CM family loved NO and miss her. She was probably nice enough to them or even sucked up to them bc she knew it was free babysitting. There’s no doubt that these girls would have been left alone had their mom not had anyone to take them.

Agree. They haven’t come out and said anything, just him. He’s infatuated with her.

Other than CM, who is clearly an unstable wacko with an agenda, I haven’t heard of any of Nichol’s ex’s exclaiming, “she would never have done this!” Those are the people that would truly know about her mental stability and how she reacts when she faces turmoil in a relationship (we know one of them was physically assaulted by her). Their silence speaks volumes to me. They know damn well what she’s capable of and they know what kind of mother she was. They know she did this.

I'd like to know why the Sheriff has gone silent without any updates after he was non stop at the beginning. One would think he would have more information now than before.

FYI, I have Sicario on and I can't help but think of D avida.

R112 London’s dad has been silent. Which at first I thought was due to shock and grieving his daughter. The longer he’s quiet the more I think it’s because he knows that NO was responsible. His sister made a big deal about the funeral and has had many wordy exchanges with CM on FB. She also said that the memorial that school put together was “her real memorial”

R114 Exactly. And he would know a lot more about Nichol’s capabilities than CM considering he was in a relationship with her much more recently. Same with the nightclub owner that she lived with—crickets. Her own adult son also hasn’t said anything publicly or requested a “search for justice.” That makes me wonder if Nichol texted him something that night before she finished the deed. Maybe even a goodbye?

The sheriff saw a big out pour of denial and wants to make sure it’s 100% before he closes the case. He needs to prove to NOs friends without doubt that she did it. It sucks for CW but it will be the best thing in the long run. I think they’re waiting on toxicology. They would have cell phone records by now. They will have toxicology soon. Hopefully in another week or two at most. I think that’s why he called in fbi so he can say this is what the fbi concluded so NOs friends don’t blame him. They will never accept the truth however. NO manipulated them. She’s a psychopath. By all definitions.

Rumor mill at London’s school is where I heard about silver fox and her possibly being bipolar. So there’s that. That is what her community believes.

Since NO's last known address was with that other hairdresser, does this mean the gun used wasn't considered community property? Guns in a Texas home isn't uncommon.

Also, what was that GFM $ used for R90 ? Did you ever get a 2nd opinion that the Sheriff himself said you all could do, but it most likely won't change the ruling? Or hire a PI? I guess the hired PI is why the accusations of CW going out to buy booger sugar came about..

I'm not so sure R114. She's an atheist and was not pleased with the religious service. She references Nichol. I think if they believed Nichol did it, they wouldn't have had the joint service at all. They might be more open minded to the possibilty that Nichol did it, but not sure if they totally believe it yet It'll be interesting to see if she post anything after the case is closed. Carlos is an anomaly. Most people defending Nichol are her friends and family, why he would jump on the Nichol didn't do it bandwagon is mind boggling. As for the son, he didn't look too broken up in the pictures at the memorial. I'm sure he's devastated, but it sounds like him and Nichol weren't that close. Seems like he adored his sisters though. As much as he's gotten a bad rap here, it's a terrible tragedy for him most of all.

It is. Can you imagine what it’s like for him, his mom didn’t really step up to the plate for him. I look at my son and remember back to his younger years I couldn’t imagine not being the one to raise him. For whatever reason, that was wrong. I’m sure he has some issues with that. I do feel absolutely terrible for him. The whole situation is incredibly tragic.

R120 Sounds like he dodged a bullet due to his lack of a relationship with Nichol. Quite literally. Hopefully, with time (and probably lots of therapy) he’ll realize that his mom was a very deranged and selfish person and it had nothing to do with him. Very very sad.

Anyone think the son might have done it??

No. It doesn’t add up. Nobody could have known that she would be alone with the girls that night. She did it.

R117 it’s probably how her community will spin it when the evidence shows that NO was responsible. ....“She was bipolar and was off her meds and she didn’t know what she was doing”....or some BS People might be more sympathetic if it came out that she was mentally ill and not have all her dirty laundry and her transgressions aired for all to read about.

Posters on DL have stated that Nichol and her 2 daughters were cremated shortly after the funeral/memorial services. Was there ever any proof of that fact? There are a lot of assumptions on this thread.

If she did have mental issues they have that. Her lifestyle would not have been thrown all over and out there for people to see if her friends would have kept their mouths shut. If they had their concerns they should have kept them unpublished and worked with the investigators and sheriff on the dL. But they didn’t and they opened up the flood gates.

What irritates me is that they have all of this media covering the case but they are only bringing to light the friends accusations. They don’t share the hard cold facts of NOs disturbing past filled with terrible decisions and a shocking life style she lived. Every accusation against CW that has yet to be confirmed is all available to talk about. However, the facts of NOs life are off the table. There’s no clear picture being offered. It’s all smoke and haze.

CM confirmed that NO and oldest daughter were cremated. London’s family is tight lipped.

They say she would get so hammered at the Silver Fox and sometimes she would get out of control and stand up on the bar and twerk on the bar! Not sure if this is true but it’s the talk in town!

I agree with the posters that think CMs current wife needs to run for the hills! It’s hard enough being a second wife and stepmom for that matter! No appreciation at all and he’s just disrespectful to his wife no matter how ya look at it!

I saw on Reddit that many think NMB was an ex-escort! Is this true? Did NO have plastic surgery? Who bought the boobs?

R125 Alexa’s dad said he was taking her ashes and some of NO’s ashes to Hawaii. Not sure if he mentioned if he was in possession of he ashes already but it was shortly after the memorial. It’s also my understanding that once the bodies are released for the funeral that creamation is almost always with in 24-48 hours.

I tell you, talk of this community is NO was all over silver fox- a regular. It’s not a trashy place. They have a good live band, play all 80’s and 90’s music. Been there twice. Fun.

Nobody has claimed the boobs yet.

I have never been to silver fox but I hear she hung out there about five nights a week and usually at some point in the week she was twerking on the bar! And she went there alone! That’s what a red headed Texan Troubadour told me! They said she got wild there! I wanna know who had the kids and where Charlie was while she was twerking at the crowd?? That is whack!

R130. I can tell you where London was sometimes during the week. At my neighbors house. Which I always found odd that she was allowed to have school night sleepovers. I saw London in our neighborhood so much I thought she lived there.

So mama was pushing 40 and twerking on a bar at strangers while CW was home tending to dogs and her daughter London was running the streets in a neighborhood? Nice lovely mothering skills! Did she think she was Miley Cyrus!?

where did London spend the night during the week. What about getting to school the next day if it was a long distance.

R87 + R88 + Poo = trash.

Sorry, no it is not normal to dump your kid on your mom and move 3000 miles away to play "military housewife" with a new husband. She didn't do it to "better herself" or because she needed to work in the US while her kids remained behind in some third world backwater. Those women make sacrifices for their kids. Huge difference.

Not normal or good parenting to choose to abandon your kid just so you can be with a man.

[quote]Welcome to Websleuths West. Every commenter on this thread is a WS migrant. God, I miss the DL contributions.

👋 Hey. Ten year vet here. This thread isn't as bad as the previous ones.....yet. Dear God, the frau was thick enough to cut with a knife.

Wonder if she dumped her first kid to move to Hawaii or was she just too young when she had him so mama raised him? She was only 14 or 15 when she had him! I find it so disturbing she had 3 baby daddies before she even turned 30! Maybe I’m old fashioned but that is just trashy and gross! That’s what we call cumbuckets where I come from!

[quote]I find it odd that one of NO clients mentioned how NO had rebuilt her relationship with her son as well. What caused a strain in that relationship?

Do keep up. This has been covered up stream. She abandoned him as a young boy to move 3000 miles away.

Someone has to have the twerk pics/vids, if they exist. Sounds like nasty gossip to me though. I don't see that image of her from the pictures on social media. She's very lady like and demure in all the "modely" SM pics. Almost like a mug cradling frau. No duck lips, gang signs, tongue out crap you usually see with trashy whores who work the pole in seedy bars.

The effort is tremendous as usual, Charlie and company. The twerking on the bar is a nice touch. I’m not from Websleuths, nor am I a friend of NO- I live across the country and do not know any of these people. Nor do I need NO to be innocent, or CW to be guilty. I have no stake in this. I do however have the ability to see through bullshit, and I’ve been on DL long enough to recognize strangers with an agenda to push. It’s too obvious. Anyone with some basic knowledge of criminal investigation could tell you that no chief investigator is going to drag out an investigation to appease a bunch of hairdressers. You can call the woman every name in the book and spin all the lies you want, but it will never change the fact that CW dry cried and was conveniently gone when this allegedly went down. Wherever he did it or not, something was off. M/S do not take weeks to clear. Nichol may have had issues, but the stories surrounding CW are appalling. Shooting horses, strangling dogs, abusing girlfriends- he’s more of a lowlife than she is any day. I’ll take a party girl twerker over a violent, cold hearted spoiled douchebag any day of the week.

Beyond stupid... first to post that NO didnt have custody of her son and then that she didnt take him to Hawaii.

How the hell is she taking the child she didnt have custody of to another state? Also if she did have custody but the father had visitation, Texas law says you cant take the child over 100 miles away.

Nichol ultimately probably got permission after her mom died and the first husband started having issues with the law. If it's in a court order, taking that kid across the ocean would have been illegal.

Get your facts together instead of making up stuff

Her mother did have a record of some sorts in Bexar county.... something to do with a check

I'm with you... and what if they are investigating and it wasnt CW at all. What if it was someone else. Maybe he was having an affair or she was cheating.... that adds to the possible suspects.

If I was the investigator I'd be questioning the "friends " that skipped the grief stage to fundraise

MT was the Godmother and bff but NO didnt do her hair

NMB was the bff but didnt know that NO would have wanted to rest in peace instead of her whole life being smeared

These women were probably jealous that NO had a handsome young millionaire.

One married an old dude and posts her expensive life for the world to see as justification for it.

Any real best friend would have been so disturbed by this horrible incident that they wouldn't have been able to gather themself for the public display disbelief or flirtatious pictures after the wake.

By all accounts I think NO was trying to have a family & kept trying to get it right. She had her demons and perhaps didnt make the best decisions. Let the girl go out, she was raising her brother and son at a young age. The girls were in good hands.

I agree, it's hard for me to believe LB asked for the monkey cage to be made in her honor when she died

R142 I don't agree with you there..

They were speaking about her late relative with her Aunt who had something donated in her name. At that age and especially if a recent death happened in the family, a question or statement like hers about making the monkey area get an expansion isn't far fetched. Showed how much she cared about animals. I would donate to that in her honor.

R139 You boast about being able to see through bullshit and in the same breath spout out the insane lies made up about Charlie by Nichol’s friends AND POO, as if they’re fact. SMH. You sound like a moron. And I do have some personal knowledge/experience with criminal investigations—and this one specifically. The Sheriff knows Charlie didn’t do this. He’s known for weeks. They might still be waiting for some test results that will gave Little to no evidentiary value, but he knows who did this. And it wasn’t Charlie. I won’t pretend to know why he’s dragging his feet about telling the public what happened, but politics and an upcoming election seem likely since her friends got the community to angry. But mark my words, Charlie will be cleared. I don’t care if Nichol twerked, had 37 baby daddies, or did drugs...I care that she killed her kids and an innocent person is being accused.

I can see where you are coming from. I think perhaps the wording on the GoFundMe can get misconstrued. Kids do say the darndest things.

I think her aunt is obnoxious and rude. I also have some respect for her because she seems genuine.

I'm concerned for CM. I'm not so sure he will survive this. Let him vent and post. The only person he needs to answer to about his manic posting is his wife and her family. It's quite disrespectful but she probably loves him and knows that he is in Such a low place.

Everyone grieves differently. A lot of people will do and say crazy things to help alleviate some of the guilt.

I dont think CW silence in weird or damning at all. If he didnt do it, do you know how screwed up he is from what he saw? 3 young beautiful girls dead bodies in puddles of blood.

If he did do this in the heat of the moment, do you know how much regret he has? Who wants to talk. He doesnt owe anyone a statement or condolences. Her mother and father are dead. Maybe to the son but in all actuality wouldnt everyone be giving their condolences to him? By all senses, he is a widower. Years together, trips together... no matter how you slice it, he is not ok.

There could be a video or recording of the act & people will never be able to accept NO doing this. It's too hard to digest.

I'm anxious to see where this goes.

I dont trust the Brother and idk why

Maybe he couldnt cry bc he was high on cocaine. It says on here that he likes the booger sugar. That will make you have cotton mouth and dry eyes. Doesnt mean you are a murderer or intelligent enough to stage a murder suicide so well that the education ME doesn't catch it.

I feel like I've cried with no tears.

R145 very true about kids! London seemed really spunky too. It’s not like she was morbidly saying it.

I just wanna stand on a chair and crank some Iron Maiden and scream at the current Mrs Montez “Run for the Hills...Run for your Life”......that poor woman is the one who is suffering here!

And I know it’s been said time and time again NO had plastic surgery but to me I don’t see it unless we are just talking breast enlargement! Her face looks the same in old pictures but she is just looking better with age in my opinion! With her twerking the bar like that’s been said I wonder if she had the butt injections! Usually those gals who twerk had work done on the butt! Did she think she was Cardi B? Did she have “Bands in the coup! Bands in the coup?”

Only time will tell!

R144, You claim, "that the Sheriff knows Charlie didn’t do this. He’s known for weeks. They might still be waiting for some test results that will gave Little to no value. . . "

Where is your evidence that the above statement is true? Aren't you one of those repeatedly asking for facts from those who do not believe CW is 100% innocent? I would NEVER trust anyone who has to resort to very childish name calling which you clearly have done in your post. Proves you're not the professional you falsely claim to be. Intelligent posters don't need to resort to extremely juvenile tactics.

Again Nichol's friends & relatives have all been repeatedly asked to limit their posting of specific evidence re Charlie's past antics due to the coming murder trial.

People take everything and have to make it twisted... now LB was thinking of her death.

NO she was a little girl and was incerting herself into what was happening. She wanted to be included. She was a part of them but she wasnt thier child. I wonder if she ever felt they minded getting her all the time. The fact that the aunt said she asked her to take her home but she didnt makes me think that they got her but maybe sometimes it was a nuisance. It doesnt mean the aunt was bad, it means she had a family of her own. I know her aunt would have much rather raised her than for this to happen. It's just so unfair no matter how those girls died, they shouldn't have

Someone lead me to the letters CM posted. NO had a heavy hand. Apparently there are some characteristics of those who wrote like this. As much as he didn’t want to show the letter. You can practically read the flip side of it.

R148, Posters who claim Mrs. Montez should "run for the hills" et al are clearly projecting their own personal feelings onto a total stranger. How do you even know how she's feeling? I would expect she's a very kind mature woman, as proven by the fact that she married a man who had a child he loved and cared for very much. Therefore it would make sense that she'd know Carlos Montez will be in tremendous pain for the rest of his life, due to the tragic way his daughter, her half-sister, and their mother were cruelly murdered.

How dare rude posters on DL insult the grieving for their expressions of loss. Have any of you dealt with such an extreme tragedy? What is wrong with you and your apparent lack of humanity? Are you all sociopaths and psychopaths?

R139, believe me when I say I have never heard of any of these people before. You're being hypocritical here about agendas. Nichol's crew, and you yourself, have the biggest agenda to push. If you believe Nichol's friends and crazy internet people who say he killed a dog and a horse and beat his ex-gifs, than your bullshit reader must not be working. It's utter nonsense and I don't believe it at all. Just as I don't believe that Nichol was twerking at a bar or that some relative said she was BP. When these sources speak on record, then I'll believe it. You say Charlie was conveniently gone when this happened. Duh, they had a fight, he left, she was upset and angry. There was a precipitating factor. It's not such a giant leap to say she committed M-S. It's not like some random person walked off the street and killed them when he wasn't home. Furthermore, you are totally naive if you don't think there is some political maneuvering behind the scenes. I've never seen LE publicly go against the ME. Salazar is an elected official, he wants to be reelected. The public wants to see Charlie arrested whether he did it or not. There are a ton of reasons why they are choosing to drag this out. If anyone should be worried about a cover-up or corruption, it should be Charlie.

R149/D - I'm not that poster, but come off it. You've said CW was going to arrested for about month now with no evidence. That's just one of the many things you've spread with zero proof. So spare anyone else the lecture.

Look at the pic of NO and LB in this tribute. She doesn't look filtered or made up. I think she was just a normal girl that knew how to put make up on and CW afforded her to buy expensive makeup, get her hair did, dress nice... by all means to look good for him. She just cleaned up well. I dont think she had an overhaul of plastic surgery. She just had someone to look good for. I think she dressed classy from her pictures.

I cant say if she did it but I do think that it is possible she reached her breaking point. She was strong and moved on in the past ? Well that gets tiring and old. While everyone says she was digging for gold, I think she was digging for happiness and a happy ending. She obviously made strides to improve herself and do better than her parents.

Her painted past and sexual experience is what probably drew CW to her. He was being a rebel by being with her. She was better in bed than those stiff rodeo girls and he was obviously proud of her. He went to great lengths to be with her, it's almost shocking.

Can anyone say how NO mom or dad died?

Did the bro and CW get along before this happened? Did the son and CW get along before this?

Who ever said she was at the bar, was she leaving Alexa at home with CW? I have so many questions about these (probably false) stories. I somehow doubt CW would be cool with her being at the bar every night alone.

R153, I've seen plenty of proof and have revealed some of it on DL in past threads. However I've been asked to stop revealing info in light of the coming murder trial.

I will just share one piece of evidence already alluded to by Dr Oz & his guest, plus earlier by Nancy grace and her 3 guests in her podcast. In exactly how many triple murder cases in the past has the crime scene been turned over so quickly to the family/homeowner for their own private clean-up? ME should be fired & sued for incompetence for that fact alone.

How could Nichol's relatives conduct a 2nd autopsy if they didn't have an untouched crime scene, complete with the original blood splatter et al?

The link with the pic

Poo I think the 2nd autopsy would have been on the body, not on the blood splatter on the house. A 2nd autopsy could have done on the body and a 2nd investigation with the pictures from the crime scene IF the GoFundMe was ever going to be used for that purpose but it wasnt. It's going to a domestic violence charity. NB is a savvy business woman. Very resourceful. She uses whatever she has at the time and makes money off of it. She has no shame, she will find a moneymaking opportunity in anything. She doesn't need the money either, it's the hustle mentality of those kinds of women.

R155 Poo, just shush. You really are an idiot (yeah I’m calling names again). Your inside info is a JOKE, as are you. I have seen screen shots of ppl messaging you on you’re an “anonymous blog” feeding you complete bullshit just to see if you or Nichol’s friends would be gullible and reckless enough to repeat it. Swinger? Cum dumpster!? You thought that was for real? LMAO. Do yourself a favor and stop spreading a false narrative before you get your ass sued for defamation. I’m sick of your shit and losing my patience with you, as are others with a much larger stake in the game. I know a lot more about what’s going on with this case than you give me credit for. I’ve shared other information that, unlike your nonsense, has proven to be true on earlier threads. I would LOVE to share everything that I know right now, but I can’t. But let’s just say that sometimes people are able to speak from the grave and what they’re saying here makes it very clear who killed them. Without a doubt. So be quiet and sfop defaming Charlie. He’s a victim in this case.

R155, that is false. The ME has nothing to do with releasing the crime scene. That is crime scene investigators and LE call. ME ruled it has he saw it, M-S, not a triple murder, so far there is nothing to contradict his findings except some harpies calling for justice.

Nichol's friends started that GFM before the release of the house. If they were serious, they would have hired someone. In fact, NMB herself said an independent investigation can be done later. So for them to be mad about that now is ridiculous.nThey could absolutely have had an independent autopsy to check the trajectory of the bullet wounds, NO body for gun powder residue, for fibers, DNA, tox screen etc.. instead the family chose to cremate the bodies. That makes zero fucking sense if they believe foul play! None of their actions makes sense. Investigators also photograph, dust, vacuum, illustrate etc.. the crime scene. They don't even need the house. This is just all excuses.

As far as them being told not to use social media, bull. Both CM and Justin Olsen have said they haven't heard anything for LE regarding the case.

Poor poor Charlie. Whether or not he is the murderer or not I’m sure he’s a creep.

R159 you are right!

Nichols pen pressure is pretty intense.

R160 Nope. Very nice, humble guy. Good family. I think it’s pathetic that ppl WANT to dislike him bc he has so much going for him. Whatever makes you feel better when you look in the mirror.

R163, "Very nice, humble guy. . . " that's into trophy hunting? I understand some hunt as an economic necessity to put food on the table. Killing defenseless animals just to show off is quite another matter and beyond sad.

Are we 100% sure a 2nd autopsy wasnt done? Maybe they aren't sharing that so theres no room for a "pay off " since they are so paranoid that CW has a bag of money in everyone's pocket.

Maybe they got one and didnt like the results

Funny, both sides are convinced of the opposite

Poo is back @ R139 and still hasn't learned anything apparently, through six threads of others patiently schooling her about logic and facts. There is a reason people call you "childish names" Poo. It's because they fit you like a glove. You are as thick as a God damn brick.

[quote]CW dry cried

Nope, no evidence of this. No vid or photos. Just one dumb local cop trying to putting his own spin on events.

[quote]and was conveniently gone when this allegedly went down.

This has been explained to you repeatedly. They had a fight and CW left. This happened often in their volatile relationship.

[quote]Shooting horses, strangling dogs, abusing girlfriends

Nope. Nope. Nope. All hairdresser gossip. Useless babble.

LB Aunt is talking about CW Atty giving condolences remember the atty said she went with the stuff that was boxed up and gave her condolences... probably on behalf of the wheeler family.

She must have gotten wind the CW family is Republican & took it the wrong

To the person making comments about the silver fox, twerking, etc: your excessive use of exclamation points makes you appear hysterical.

I do wonder about NO's drinking habits as she seems to have a drink in hand in more photos than not.

R146 I have to say with my own experience from my party days, I have seen plenty of people (mainly women) cry buckets of tears. Talk about a buzzkill.

Maybe everyone who claims NO had a nose job is wrong but her nose started looking different after she got with CW because of his affinity for Columbian Marching powder? It maybe became hers too!

Bless your little heart, R139. In this entire thread, yours is the only calm, reasonable, intelligent voice. The rest of the static on here is what WS is like. Mob witch hunt for whomever the heartland believes is guilty. Extremism is a sign of stupidity. What I miss most is the DL knife edge, though the Charlie Weaver stuff was pretty lame.

I've learned a lot on here. I think the Nate G, Oklahoma stuff could be relevant. Charlie does seem innocent, but I've known enough rich Texas boys in my life to know that anything is possible. Church boys do bad things when drunk or angered. Nichol was a piece of work. A hustler and grifter, but beautiful women usually do grift their looks when they have nothing else to give. In the end, the poor girls. Hiding in the closet. Even that I don't know is fact.

R171 I tend to agree with most of what you said except about websleuths. They would not let anyone gossip or say anything not backed up by MSM links. They wouldn't even let you quote anything from SM like FB or DL. Of course, Davida gave it her best shot. She had a way of quickly verbally puking up and twisting as the gospel truth all of the Fangurls lies.

And the twerking stuff sounds like neighborhood gossip, not from the Wheeler supporters.

I think the simplest explanation is that Nichol was a troubled woman who was facing another failed relationship and the loss of a grand lifestyle. She snapped and acted impulsively out of anger and desperation.

I don’t think she was a slut; her motivation with men was security and trying to fill her bottomless pit of need. I think she did the best she could.

I don’t think Charlie is any sort of angel, but I don’t believe he killed them, either. He probably stayed and fought with her before, but this time he was done, and got the hell out because I think she threatened HIM and he had had sufficient. He didn’t think she’d go as far as she did.

Heard once she was twerking on the bar at SilverFox and she fell off the bar. Maybe this is why her and CW were over? That behavior when she has two underage daughters isn’t appropriate...

She had her days of work as Monday thru Thursday. Interesting that the days she had off were the days the girls were shipped off to Aunts.

The discussion about other people raising her kids is pretty loaded. It seems to be cultural, and it’s not familiar to me.

Personally, the bits I’ve gathered lead me to believe that Nichol had a slipshod lifestyle, and delegating childcare to her relatives was the best thing for the kids.

But let me tell you this: Kids KNOW. They know the deal.

Maybe her first fight that night was with CW. He left. Then she had to tell the girls they were moving again and they got in another fight, and she lost it. She lost control.

r178, I think you’re right. I don’t know any woman who has a perfect relationship with her 16-year old daughter. There’s a lot of stuff going on at that age.

What I think is this: Nichol messed up her first kid. He got in a lot of trouble with the law. She probably cracked down on the two girls to “get it right this time”. And it seems to have worked, to that point. Seems like they were great kids. Someone wrote that she expected them to get good grades and they had their activities, etc. I suspect they wanted to please her. They wanted her approval and didn’t want her to rage at them; they were walking on eggshells. (If I’m good, maybe she’ll take us to Six Flags this weekend)

Maybe Alexa started getting rebellious and sassy, the way normal teenage girls do. Maybe she didn’t want to be moved around like a chess piece according to her mother’s whims anymore.

That may have represented yet another “failing” on her part and added to the exasperation she felt. And they were there and Charlie wasn’t.

Loss of control...

Those girls spent lots of time sleeping over with friends and with family. They craved a family life. They wanted that so bad. I could see them giving her push back.

Teen Daughters can say some hurtful things to their mothers.

R179 100%

Personally after reading all about NO and her 3 children and multiple baby daddies and then moving on to millionaire Charlie here’s what I think may have happened!

It’s hard being in a relationship with someone who has children and I know that from experience as I have had a stepson who my husband and I raised. My husband had sole custody and the bio mom saw the child every other weekend. I love my stepson as my own but it was hard for me at times especially in the early years of our relationship.

I think CW loved Nichol but didn’t love having the other men’s children there. He finally had enough and decided the relationship was over. If it’s true Nichol had her tubes tied which I read on another thread he knew this relationship was doomed if he wanted his own kids too. So he decides to end it for various reasons with one being other men’s children and he doesn’t want the drama that comes with that so Nichol resents her children and she’s not looking forward to a move and starting over so she grabs the gun and shoots the children she blames for ending her relationship with CW and herself. She’s pushing 40 and doesn’t have the energy to start over and she was hurting for that reason and she truly loved Charlie and didn’t want to lose him either. She didn’t take her son out because he didn’t live with her and so she didn’t resent him like she resented the two girls who were still dependent.

I don’t see why Charlie would have needed to kill them all and even if he was abusive in the past he had no reason to kill them all. Just my opinion and theory.

I can add from my own experience that my brother's Mexican inlaws did raise children as an extended family. The cousins were always being moved around and sleeping over. It's how they manage their child care. I found it messy and confusing, but the children, for the most part, accepted their family life. Especially if parents were hardworking. So this is definitely a cultural difference, and the willingness to attack NO's mothering style with no proof feels racist or culturally insensitive. As for NO's work hours, nothing is known as fact. My hairdresser works on Sat and Sundays. It's not advertised. She just does. I believe 85% of the comments on here reflect judgement and white privilege. That said, I don't know that NO didn't farm the children out. But I don't know that she didn't either.

If in fact her tubes were tied. That’s a huge downfall knowing that she would not be able to give this man a child.

I can see that CW thought about having kids of his own and decided to change partners. His former girlfriend Brittany had a kid last year with a much older man. Wonder why NO didn't just go that route like the rest of her friends. Set her sites on someone 20 or more years older. They would have been happy to be with her? Or maybe not because of the kids?

It’s truly hard being in a relationship with a person with children when you yourself want children and it can’t or doesn’t happen. I know this because I couldn’t have children and it made it twenty times harder. I myself was infertile due to endometriosis and we tried 16 years and when I was going thru that I did have a resentment because of my jealousy of not having a child with my partner. It’s possible Charlie knowing Nichol has her tubes tied felt some of that same feeling of knowing he can’t have a child with her and resenting the fact she had all these other children with other men when he was the man with her who loved her. Who knows? He surely wanted children. It looks like his sister had four children and he probably was getting to the age at 31 of wanting a family.

White privileged? I’m from a Hispanic family and I too have seen what you talk about as far as kids being raised by family. I do also know that while family steps in to do this, unless the parents are working hard, going to school, etc. it is frowned upon. She may have been working during the day. But not nights. If it offends you that most people feel this way; I’m sorry, but that doesn’t make me racist or white privileged. I just believe in a mother’s love and I think it’s ok to sacrifice some of your nights out with friends to be at home and be a mom.

R184, I mentioned above that the cultural norm of that child-rearing philosophy is foreign to me. In wealthy families, the kids just go to boarding school. In that case, they’re often with other kids in the same boat, and that’s normal to them, too.

I know a super-wealthy Park Avenue Social Register family. The kids were sent to live with the grandparents in another state for a few years during the divorce. The kids have been really fucked up by all of it. It doesn’t matter how much or how little money they have, kids just want a stable family. I think the girls felt loved by their families, at least.

Yes, they were lucky to have families to help fill the void.

R186 I suspect that NO was somehow in arrested development emotionally. She didn't have much of a young adult life as she was pregnant at 14. She had to grow up fast and was then married at a young age. She might have been trying to recreate her youth by dating someone younger. I've often wondered if she would have dated CW if he wasn't wealthy. Most 31 year old aren't making the kind of money that CW was nor are they that interested in women with 3 children. Also, I think older men have been married or have children from previous marriages and blending families isn't always easy. Older men with money usually come with their own baggage and if they have $ a prenup.

I think neither one of them thought the relationship through. They were living for the day. As time went on, they had to face reality. The relationship would never last. The were in completely different places in their life’s.

These threads really went downhill. I suspect it will take months or more to get any real answers, and maybe longer if the sheriff decides to leave the case open and sit on it. The longer it goes on though, the more obvious it is that Nichol murdered her kids and that how the friends have portrayed her is a lie. No idea if she was twerking in dive bars, but she was a shitty mother killing her kids. I don't see any justice for the girls as long as Nichol is painted as a saint.

The crazies are the best fucks.NO spun CW's head with some outrageously good pussy,but he was probably done with it due to the kids,her leech brother,her son,etc. 2 years sounds about right when the bloom is off the rose and you decide,no matter how awesome the sex,you cant deal with the person anymore. he was ending it and she snapped,its that simple.

I also would like to know if NO had a drinking problem? Seems like she always had a mixed drink in her hand in most photos and now people saying she was twerking on bars at AGE 37 on most weeknights while her ten yr old daughter was staying the night in a random neighborhood for crying out loud! I can see a 21 year old doing that but a mother of 3 pushing forty? I can’t wait to hear how the toxicology reports read. I’ll bet she had alcohol at the very least in her system. Alcohol as you know makes you braver. Everyone says she wouldn’t commit MS but maybe the alcohol exacerbated her willingness to off em all.

R188, thank you for mentioning the resentment.

My daughter has a friend who’s always at our house. He’s a nice kid and my kids call him their “brother” because he’s here so often. His mother will baldly admit that she’s going out for drinks with her girlfriends or having her boyfriend over. Wouldn’t we all like to do that!

R195, I’m dismissing the twerking claims, but there is no denying that she spent a LOT of time socializing and I believe, drinking. Lots of girls nights out. Those aren’t teetotaling occasions. Photos in bars and clubs, lots of drinks photographed.

Again, ONE recent photo with Alexa; hundreds of her with her girl squad.

one of her "friends" said that she had a separate FB account for just family stuff. Do i believe that? no

There is only one pic of the 3 of them together, they had no photos of the 3 of them at the memorial which tells you they are lying again. The friends really need to go away, they are constantly caught in lies.

R199. My thoughts exactly. How does anyone believe a thing they say at this point? And when they get caught, they STILL won’t admit they were wrong. They unsuccessfully try to spin the new information to fit their theory. My understanding is that Nichol was extremely jealous and crazy and a stumbling, aggressive drunk when she went out. I’m talking jealous to the point of her going through his SM and trying to creep on or “friend” any female that “liked” one of his best photos just so she could find out who they were and if they were a potential threat. People thought Charlie looked miserable when they saw him out with her in the recent months. He was done. If he not only broke up with her, but also did so for another woman, THAT would have sent a jealous psycho over the edge for sure. Bc not only was her pampered life over as she knew it, but someone else would be stepping in to take her spot. This could have been the ultimate, “No other bitch is coming into MY HOUSE. Even if it means I have to smear my own childrens’ blood on the walls to ensure it.”

[quote]I found it messy and confusing, but the children, for the most part, accepted their family life. Especially if parents were hardworking. So this is definitely a cultural difference, and the willingness to attack NO's mothering style with no proof feels racist or culturally insensitive.

No, not cultural. As has already been explained ad nauseam. Her continued dumping of her kids on relatives wasn't because she needed childcare so she could work. We all respect that. It was childcare and even relinquishing custody so she could dig for gold, chase dick and party.

If expecting a mother to love, nurture and support her own children = "white privilege" ......then I'll happily and proudly wear that mantel.

R201 true that

However those girls were raised, they appeared amazingly healthy and happy. I full-time raised my daughter, and she looked like shit, because I was a terrible mom. God, I wish she'd had a loving aunt or godmother. Photos of children don't lie. London may have been a bit skinny, but Alexa appears radiantly beautiful inside and out. They weren't obese. They had activities. There are tons of photos of them with their dads and families. Jesus, women. Let it go. Their mother may have failed them-- and even killed them, but other adults didn't.

Don't people automatically smile when their picture is taken? And on SM, you choose what pictures you want the public to see. If you want others to see that you are always happy and enjoying a fantastic life - that is what you will show.

I'm surprised so many people seem to have warm feelings towards Nichol. I feel about her the way I do about Chris Watts who murdered his two daughters and wife recently. Almost exactly the same. There was NO reason on earth for her to do what she did - those girls had plenty of options after that bitch blew her own brains out, which I'm glad she did. She didn't deserve another day of life after killing those innocent girls. Fuck her. I wish I believed in hell so I could relish the thought of her suffering throughout eternity for the unbelievably and pointlessly evil thing she did. Even Ted Bundy didn't murder his own flesh and blood for fuck's sake. (not that I don't hate his guts too but still...) Why must we feel sorry for cold-blooded murderers (the worst kind of psychopath!)

Well if she was a vicious drunk who got shitfaced on the regular and blew up in jealous rages then I bet the twerking on the bar is true! Look how many baby daddies she had. You don’t get that many baby daddies before age 30 by being wholesome buttermilk. She was a gold diggin wild woman it sounds like! Maybe if she would of shut her legs she would still be here and maybe happily married to someone with Charles wealth.

At this juncture, we really, really need to hear from CW's camp. It would shed light on her personality, lifestyle and a hundred other things.

You are right, thankfully those girls had amazing families. They took care of them and loved them.

CWs camp is not going to air her dirty laundry. They don’t want to be involved in this circus. They have young children in their family and they don’t need to be in the middle of this. They know what happened and it will come out eventually come out.

We could frame her sending the kids to the Aunts houses in a nicer way.... maybe she and CWs relationship really was toxic and she knew the girls shouldn't witness all that..., or not;)

Did she give her girls to other people part of the time in lieu of shared custody with the fathers? If the dad was supposed to have his daughter on the weekends, but was too far away (work, etc), could he appoint someone else in his family to take his place for weekend custody and then visit with her at that neutral place?

R207, he’s not going to go public and say anything about messy Nichol - unless he’s brought to trial.

If it comes to that, I shudder to think...

Curious to what CWs family truly thought of Nichol? Bet the roux the day he met her. I don’t think I would be too happy if my never married and no children 30 yr old handsome son brought home a lady with three baby daddies and two divorces under her belt who was six years older.

The kids were probably always much better off with their aunts! The aunts probably gave them the stability they needed. Sounds like mom was in and out of new boyfriends homes every two years. What kind of life is that for young daughters? Bad role model for one. Nichol ruined those kids lives and then she took their lives! She was selfish.

I know several divorced families where if the dad is away, kids stay with the mom and vice versa if mom's away. I know of no one where if say the dad is away, they go to their stepparents or relatives instead. Especially true if it's on a regular basis.

Charlie should talk, not to smear her, but to defend himself.

R209, that is a nice way of looking at it.

R210, “neutral place” is a good point. I’ve heard of people having to do custody exchanges at police stations, etc.

If she was trying to protect them from a toxic home she should have moved them out not sent them away on the weekends.

Charlie won’t talk. He won’t put his family through any more than what they are already going through. I know many families like this. It’s just they way they are. They will take the high road no matter how difficult if may be. It takes more grace and self discipline to keep quiet. Other people can tarnish their name but they will not do it to themselves.

I’m sure CWs family was not impressed. He is an adult however, I’m sure they tried to resepect his decision while treating her well. They must be completely devastated by this.

R216, that’s how I imagine it. They probably were not thrilled, but didn’t want to drive a wedge between themselves and Charlie.

They probably thought (and were correct) it was a phase. He almost got away.

I'm inclined to believe the incident report shows that the redacted part of the incident report next to NOs name is that the gun was found next to her.

NO killed her kids then herself. Her and Charlie fought...he left HIS home for the night so they could both cool off (a very smart and considerate) decision. She was bat crazy and most likely threatened suicide...she did it to punish CW- -a last "FUCK YOU"...knowing his whole world would be turned upside down. Sadly, she took the lives of her girls along with hers to make not 1 but 3 dead bodies for CW to find and be accused of murdering. What a selfish act she did.

R220, that’s what I believe, too.

If she were sober and had time to think about it, she wouldn’t have.

I suspect that she had been waving a gun around and that’s why he left. Not really believing that she’d do what she did. And that’s why he called it in as a suicide when he found them. She’d been threatening it the night before.

Does anybody know why the 911 call hasn't been released? I ask because usually those are released a day or two later.

R221, Do you have any proof or evidence that Nichol had threatened to commit suicide the night before? Posters who claim internet rumors about CW are extreme must be in a contest to see who can come up with the wildest stories about Nichol.

R223 it should be noted R221 said they suspected it, not that they witnessed it.

R221 Poo did you have any “proof” of all the nonsense you’ve posted all over the internet? Please note, before you answer: anonymous ppl contacting you via your amateur blog to spread rumors isn’t “proof.” R221 merely stated that they suspected she was threatening suicide, and it’s a reasonable deduction from the facts/evidence that we do know at this point that that was the case. That’s why he left. That’s why he was checking on her after he left. That’s why he called it in as a suicide. And so on and so forth. You do realize that when everything is released, there will be clear evidence of where each person was when cell phones were being used. And text messages and other irrefutable evidence that should give us a very clear picture of who, what, where, why and when. The Sheriff already has all of this information and that is why Charlie isn’t even a suspect at this time. Probable cause is low standard and that’s all they need to arrest. But they haven’t. He is a flight risk—has access to private planes. If they had ANY amount of evidence to arrest him, they would have done it by now.

Where are her friends to tell us when those toxicology and trajectory results are in? My patience with this Sheriff sitting on his ass on this case is wearing thin.

And they already know the trajectory results - they couldn't have released the bodies to be cremated if they still had questions about that. They also already have the gunshot residue results from her hands.

And they took Charlie in - so they have gunshot residue and blood splatter residue results from his body, his clothes/shoes, and his truck. YET they're not releasing them. He and his truck had to be clear OR he'd be in custody. You don't let a murderer walk free if there's evidence like that - the risk to the community would be outrageously high.

So if they announce the ME's finding of suicide on her part - why not the other evidence that would appear to clear Charlie? This really pisses me off. He should have some kind of legal recourse to make them release that. Someone said they did a lie detector test, which he passed, and took scrapings from under his fingernails (where it would be harder to wash off the gunshot/blood). Again, if there was suspicion, they'd be holding him in jail, so I'm 99.999% sure the results tended to clear him (though nothing is 100% I guess, but sheesh... this is 3rd world type shit).

Somebody wants to ruin this man's life?

It is absolutely disgusting that they are not publicly clearing Charlie.

If he could have been cleared, he would have been cleared. Rich people do not get railroaded for crimes they didn’t commit. With that team of lawyers they wouldn’t dare violate his rights without cause. Nobody is trying to ruin his life. Nobody is trying to ruin his life. His rights will be protected far better than the average person. Let’s not pretend that the wealthy don’t always have the advantage in a court of law. R225, you are calling several people Poo and it’s getting old. R205, get a grip and remove your face from Charlie’s asshole. Are you being paid for your outrage?

R225. Absolutely right! I worked for a criminal defense attorney and was very surprised at how low the bar is for “probable cause” to issue a warrant to arrest someone. Especially if a murder has happened. In this case there are two children that were murdered. The sheriff would have just had to shown something as minor as CW having a window of time unaccounted for (via cell pings or traffic cams) where he “could” have been at the house when it’s been proven that the deaths took place. Any judge especially in Texas would have issued a warrant and made his bail a at least a million bc he’s a flight risk. And yet he’s still walking around free. In my 12 years of experience with criminal law I’ve never seen a guilty party walk around for more than maybe a week before a warrant is issued and arrested. Plus this case isn’t that complicated. Tragic yes, complicated not from a LE point of view.

R229, so why hasn't been arrested then? They need to clear him or arrest him; pick one and go with it. Nichol's family, friends and ex clearly want to ruin this guy's life. If they are going to level thinly veiled accusations at someone, then show proof and go on record. They've not said anything substantive, they have not followed through and hired independent investigators either. All the horrible stories about Charlie are from the internet. The friends don't even know who the source is. BCSO has been notoriously corrupt. Arresting rich boy Charlie would be a boon to their reputation. That's what many people there want to see, so of course LE is under public pressure. The Sheriff is an elected official after all. It would make Salazar a hero to take down Charlie.

R230 Probable cause is not an exact standard, and that standard varies. In CW’s case, that standard is going to be extremely high because he’s got the best legal team money can buy. Plenty of people walk around free because they are protected by their attorneys. Look at what Harvey Weinstein has gotten away with. Even the NYPD wouldn’t touch him. This doesn’t make him guilty either. I’m still wondering if this was a murder that maybe he had nothing to do with. Bad business? He screwed someone over? Was Nichol into some bad shit? Though his friends on here call him a humble guy, I see nothing humble or particularly nice about him. Trophy hunters are as far from humble as it gets. Nice guys don’t play around the pool with guns. Stupid guys do that. I do however hope the horse shooting and puppy killing stories are not true.

You do realize we are talking about a guy who was in his 20s in 2015, living in Texas, when that photo was taken R232?

R233. Forgive me. It’s smart for adults to play with guns around a pool. This photo speaks volumes about his maturity level, and lack of judgement. I don’t give a fuck if it’s Texas, do people not slip and fall on wet surfaces in San Antonio?

R332, that's just it, we hardly know anything about him. Seems like you have an inherent bias against him because he is a trophy hunter. I don't like it either, but fact is half this country hunts for sport. It doesn't make him a murderer or even a guy who isn't humble. You're making a lot of assumptions based on very little.

If he thought she was going to commit suicide, why didn't he call 911 when he left the house? He let her stew in her crazy all night allowing the girls to remain with her, which put them in danger. How hard would it be to call the cops and ask for a wellness visit?

This could possibly be a reason why he has not made any public statement. “She told me she was going to kill herself and I didn’t do anything”. “ I didn’t believe she would do it, but she did”.

He was probably at the pool at their 4000 or so acre ranch way out in the middle of nowhere Texas.

R236, IMO he didn’t think she actually would.

And he didn’t want the police out at his house AGAIN. They’d already been there four times in a year. He was probably getting shit from the HOA. People don’t pay millions for a home to have police cars visiting every few months like it’s the projects or something.

If he arrived at 9:00 am, he probably thought Nichol would be at work and the girls would be at school. That’s where they should have been. What a nasty surprise.

I wonder if her car was there and he was dreading a confrontation with her.

He has not been arrested because there’s no probable cause for arrest.

It’s taking so long to close the case of murder-suicide because they are waiting for the toxicology results.

It’s possible that they’re waiting for all the evidence to arrest him, but I don’t think that’s the case. It’s possible. I believe she did it and Sheriff Scooby doesn’t want to lower the boom just yet. He’s letting the family and friends slowly realize...

Charlie here. Thank you gays for having my back on this! I would never shot anyone! Why should I , I’m rich and good-looking! Hahaha

Grain of salt, R236.

Go fuck yourself Charlie. Take all your money and shove it up your ass.

Oh My God ! Look behind you ! There is a defenseless animal you need to kill !

R236. I suspect that it wasn’t the first time NO threatened to kill herself. I also think she must have been drunk/high or both and acting unhinged. He may have also been under the influence which may have impaired his judgement about calling for help.

It’s been said that CW texted her brother to go check on them after he didn’t hear back from anyone at the house. If that’s true the brother may have been through these episodes and didn’t think it necessary to go check on her either. Or he didn’t get the message or it’s a fabricated lie. All possibilities

She could’ve killed him.

Interesting info. Poor guy was forced to delegate handling the crazy in-house amongst the family. Good luck with your lawsuit, family members. Remember the words of Dimebag Darrell & every NRA bumpersticker circa 1990, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” Good luck with the civil suit, guys, if this is true & her family was contacted but declined to help NO in crisis.

CW and NO not married, no kids involved, he’s a millionaire. I’m assuming he can have any girl he wants, then why was he still with her for almost two years. It does not make sense, he could have asked her to leave a long time ago if their relationship was that shitty. What would make a man stay with a woman that long if he was so unhappy.

Or he wanted the brother to be the one who found the bodies.

My father was a very difficult man and he often when mad over something he would stay in a shed for a few days. So when didn’t see him for a day or two we suspected the same. My mother was worried and wanted me to check on him. My father could be so hatful to me so I always avoided him so I asked my sister who said no. Later my mother said maybe he was in the bedroom so I checked and there was I was happy he was okay or at least he looked okay. So we went to sleep. Turns out Mom got on her walker the next morning and got no response later the girl who cleans the house found him dead I always wonder when I checked was he unable to speak or did he just not speak ?

Wonder if she had a history of mouthing off that she wanted to commit suicide? If she had done so then surely her exes or brother would know if that history but CM and her brother seem to be out for Charlie and think Nichol is a saint!

R248, you hit me right in my feels. I'm so sorry. Did he take a bunch of pills?

I have a feeling if CW did message the brother and others, the reason they are hell bent on him being guilty is because they feel they failed as well and didn't save them.

Yep I agree! Even if they finally close the case and say without a doubt Nichol killed herself and her girls the entire hairstylist group and CM and her family will still not blame Nichol! They will still blame CW and always hold him responsible! They could have a video do Nichol doing the deeds and they will still blame it all on CW and they will never fault Nichol...

250, they told me he had a stroke but I think he killed himself by not asking for help.

People keep saying how was he with her for so long, when he could’ve just left. Easier said than done. She got herself in there real quick and there was no turning back. Plus she is older than him. I’m sure it pained her that she could not pull a pregnancy stunt. That would’ve been ideal.

I think he loved her. Their relationship was nearly 3 years, not the 2 that people keep saying. I read one of her friends say that and was pissed that the press kept saying it was 2 years when it was nearly 3. The relationship was obviously in a tailspin when this happened. I do think Charlie got in way over his head with her.

R253, she had her tubes tied.

Tubes can be untied. And women older than NO are having kids routinely. If she wanted to have his kid, she probably could have. That didn’t have to be a dealbreaker.

R254 yes you are correct he had to have loved her. The whole thing is so sad. He definitely got in way over his head...that’s for sure.

R255 correct, if he wanted a child with her yes. They could schedule it before or after they got married. Have their baby. No problem.

Now if she wanted to sneak an unplanned pregnancy it would be hard to go have it done without him knowing. She’d have to pay for it herself. Can’t have sex for 6 to 8 weeks. All that jazz.

100% agree,, R257. I just want to add if she didn't have her tubes tied, she most definitely could get pregnant if she wanted to. It's very good thing she didn't.

I think their relationship took a turn for the worse when they moved in together. Maybe that was a trial run and a baby was ruled out of the question, at least by him, when it wasn't working. I do wonder what his relationship was with the girls. Her IG doesn't have on family outing. The youngest daughter was only 10, you'd think they'd have one picture out doing something together as a family. I don't want to get into the whole debate over her parenting skills, or lack there of, either. It's just an observation.

We have proof that CW was a proud big game trophy hunter. We have proof that CW was a rodeo cowboy and statistically the occupation doesn't go hand-in-hand with clean, healthy living. We have proof that CW loves the bar scene and has posted numerous photos of himself with large amounts of liquor not looking very sober.

How dare DL posters condemn Nichol for going to bars, drinking, and even partying yet not saying that that was an active part of CW's lifestyle?

How dare DL repeatedly condemn Don Jr for being a big game trophy hunter and posting pictures of his kills when CW does the exact same thing? Yes TX men get their GF to pose with their trophy kills. Obviously Nichol is not familiar with a gun as she never holds it correctly in any of the pictures CW posted. Nor did he teach her how to shoot correctly otherwise he would have taught her how to accurately pose with a gun.

So if DL posters want to talk about PROOF & EVIDENCE, and insist on disregarding multiple stories of violent misbehavior by varying ex-GF of CW which will all come out in the coming murder trial, please justify CW's extremely aggressive hobbies. Do rodeo cowboys really treat the animals with respect and consideration?

R232 you sound like a halfwit to anyone with a background in criminal law..or just capable of common sense. Probable cause does have an exact standard and it doesn’t vary. It’s the same across the board—it means “more likely than not.” Super low. Easy to prove.

To the previous posters in multiple threads who keep claiming I have a blog, I've never created one as I don't have the computer tech skills. Proves the level of intelligence of these posters, the same ones who repeatedly accuse me of writing posts I've never authored.

Again anyone with a minimum of intelligence could very easily compare writing styles, do a quick check of computers (as I only post from my one ASUS laptop) and come to the conclusion it's another poster.

Then again those who repeatedly use very immature, childish names in a vain attempt to slander another poster with differing opinions is completely lacking as a human being.

R258 I wonder this too. For example the only thing I’ve seen with him in it. Is at an event for NO’s watch endeavor. Her Aunt was there with the three kids. Someone resembling Charlie was there. He was never by them in any of the canid photos of the event. I saw one picture with what appears to be him sitting at a table talking to another guy. I found that strange. And if what they say is true about the length of the relationship. He definitely knew them. Should I go look for it. Maybe you can verify if it’s him or not. You Take it I saw this weeks ago.

R229 I can see all of the comments made by your psychotic self, so if you aren’t Poo, you deserve to be lumped into her stench. Bc you are equally ignorant and irritating. Go to bed Davida. Oh, and hire a good attorney. Cuz they’re coming for you...

R227, It's been repeatedly reported that LE found the bodies to be cold. Therefore the 3 murders happened the night before. CW had plenty of time to thoroughly clean himself up and eliminate any traces of gun residue. Also to burn or bury any clothing.

There's evidence he wasn't driving his usual truck upon his return. That's the one which was impounded.

I'm sure LE is tracking him to ensure he's not a flight risk. CW wouldn't remain a POI for well over a month if LE believed he was 100% innocent. LE know he has 3 high-powered attorneys who'd force them to publicly declare him innocent or to change his POI status if they possibly, legally could do so. Please don't say contacting the media to give a statement isn't modus operendi. This isn't a normal multiple murder case due to the massive map attention.

R228, "Absolutely disgusting" that they are not clearing Charlie? How about there's too much evidence that he's not 100% innocent?

If CW was really that concerned about Nichol committing M - S, instead of repeatedly calling and possibly waking up her daughters who had to be in school the next day, why didn't he drive back the less than 1 hour to return to his home? At the least he could have had local police make a welfare check. Or have the luxury complex security make contact. Sounds like a faux attempt at a cover-up on CW's part.

R262, if you can post it, that would be great. I'd like to see it. There was a friend of Charlie's, no longer in contact with him but follows him on IG, that used to post here, might still occasionally. I believe they were the one who mentioned the NO hunting pictures way before they were published. The question was asked if Charlie had pictures of the girls on his IG, but he/she never answered. I took that as a no. I mean a 3 year relationship, living with him for a year, there should be a few photos of them all together somewhere.

R238, The shot of CW, shoeless and shirtless, was from his home.

R235, A small per cent of Americans are big game trophy hunters. Yes a larger per cent hunt deer and other small game and fish for food, as the major source of their meat and protein. Time honored way to survive harsh, often inherited economic conditions.

Not even half of Americans own and regularly use guns, and even then it's for their physical protection. Please check on your facts when you saw half of Americans are big game trophy hunters and have pictures all over their FB of their proud kills.

Ok found it. It’s actually I reflection in a mirror. The posture looks like him to me.

R262, R268, That picture of CW apparently at a small house party of the home of one of Nichol's children's relatives was posted on one of the approx 8+ FB groups. He looked very uncomfortable and his body language was way, way off. He's sitting in a chair not engaging with any of the children.

Has anyone explained why CW didn't securely lock up his guns, or better yet take them all with him, IF he truly believed Nichol had previously threatened to commit suicide? Not saying knowing TX he didn't have the right to have guns in his home. Just it doesn't make sense, and in fact makes him look suspect IMHO, if in fact he truly was concerned about Nichol's mental health.

Further if Nichol really was mentally unstable, extremely depressed, and angry about the loss of her luxurious lifestyle, rather than the reality that there were many other men in the world who'd treat her better, then WHY didn't she try to harm and even kill CW? Nichol did not ruin his life to the extent of what would have happened if she'd grabbed his gun when he was asleep and shot and wounded him.

[Quote] How dare DL repeatedly condemn Don Jr [/Quote]

Well I guess that takes out any theory of CW paying off a liberal Sheriff.

Thanks, R268. I can't really tell, but it does strongly resemble him. Is there another picture because I don't see any children around him.

R269, we don't know if she threatened suicide. That is what someone claims here. Who knows if it's true. That should not be taken as fact. Just as Charlie strangling a dog shouldn't.

Oh the hypocrisy is hilarious.

All the slanderous stuff said about Charlie but God forbid you say anything about Nichol and her lifestyle. 🙄

R267 - So because he hunts, he's a murderer? That's some fucked up logic. That's the problem with the pro-Nichol side, there are no facts, no evidence, just emotional reactivity. When you can tell me there was gun powder residue found on Charlie or NO bullet trajectory was suspicious, that there was another fingerprint on the gun, then get back to me.

R271 went back and spotted that guy again. It has to be him. He is just not next to where her Aunt, son, and daughters are. Not that that means anything.

R267 they really got them rattled up the domestic abuse hashtag.

[quote]How dare DL posters condemn Nichol for going to bars, drinking, and even partying yet not saying that that was an active part of CW's lifestyle?

Uh, because she's a parent and he isn't? Complete lack of logic and common sense as usual, Poo.

I guess we can all be grateful you are at least calling the fantasy rattling around in your head a "murder trial" and not the hilariously fake (invented for peak drama) "death penalty trial".

Thanks, R274. Yeah, that is definitely him. He does look stiff and uncomfortable, just as he did in the short video clip I've seen of them. Maybe he was already unhappy in the relationship or he wasn't used to being around her family much. I also just get the sense, as weird as this sounds considering he lived with them, he wasn't close to her kids. Even if they went away for weekends and summers, they were there during the week. If that was the case, she is the one to blame. I would want my bf to bond with my kids and would encourage the relationship. If he didn't want that, there's the door. I feel so bad for those kids. They were out into really terrible situations.

R273, I've already stated that there is physical evidence implicating CW that I've been shown but asked not to discuss the specifics until the trial. WHY do you think CW is still a POI despite having 3 high priced lawyers who could get him cleared otherwise?

Expect Sheriff to take his sweet time while working with 27 investigators and numerous other LE experienced professionals. Or do you think he'd put out that level of expenditure on a 100% innocent man?

R277 et al, There's a completely separate close-up picture on the internet where it shows how uncomfortable he is around Nichol's children. It's at a very small house party or holiday celebration.

R272, Slanderous stuff said about Nichol is being reported by those on DL who obviously don't even know CW, and are clearly only projecting how they think they'd react in his situation. Give me some evidence you know the man or have even talked one-on-one with any of his close friends or relatives and I'll give you more credibility.

Likewise slanderous stuff is being cruelly said about the deeply grieving relatives of Nichol's 100% innocent kids.

There is plenty of evidence online that CW when extremely drunk/drugged is violently abusive. Statements have been made from several of CW's ex-GF who have never even met Nichol. Also reports from various sources not in Nichol's friends/relatives camp that CW has been 86'd from multiple bars & restaurants.

Again clear evidence of CW's past violence will be presented at the murder trial, once the Sheriff & his huge team of legal experts have documented all of the many, many pieces of evidence. Do you honestly believe that a Sheriff intending to eventually run for re-election would authorize that huge an expenditure on a man he believed to be 100% innocent? Common sense prevails but not always on DL.

R279, post the picture.

[quote]I've already stated that there is physical evidence implicating CW that I've been shown but asked not to discuss the specifics until the trial

Get some sleep, Poo. The voices in your head need a long nap.

R280 are you are saying you personally know him and have talked one on one with his close friends?

Where is this clear online evidence of this drunk drugged violently abusive person? Other than hearsay. Everything you’ve said, I’ve heard it too.

R281, Regretfully I don't have the computer tech expertise to post pictures on DL. I'd also have to search back pages of at least half a dozen FB groups to find it again.

R284, why are you posting at Lipstick Ghetto under DR (Poo)? You're really that old black woman, aren't you? Why would actual white eastern europe other.oldster Davidette be posting at a black site?

Comes off black & old & stinky that R284.

I still say CW did it.

I’m not convinced that CW is some wonderful guy, but I don’t think he killed them.

Plenty of perfectly nice people aren’t comfortable around children. Or they don’t even like children. Conversely, look at stupid Chris Watts, who appeared to dearly love his children.

I’ve been around these crime forums and groups for several of these cases, and there’s always someone who comes on and acts as though they have the real scoop. They’ve got inside information but they can’t share it with you because it’s still an ongoing investigation. Every time. It’s always bullshit and some people fall for it.

Poo is like a broken record.

Wtf do you need "27 investigators plus numerous other experienced LE professionals" for ANY case, nm this one. And the sheriff does not have the kind of budget to pay for that bullshit, Poo-dear.

R288, In exactly how many of those multiple murder cases was the FBI called in to assist? This is a very expensive LE investigation that's not being squashed nor slowed down just because other posters believe in CW's total innocence.

Also if you look back at my posts on earlier threads I definitely did reveal specific details to prove Nichol's innocence, backed up by what Dr Oz' guest expert confirmed. After doing so I was personally asked to immediately delete similar comments I'd made on the FB groups, and to stop posting reveals on DL. Please also listen to Nancy Grace's several crime consultants on her podcast for verification.

R288, Another specific you might want to consider. San Antonio Press links & crime report have stated the 3 bodies were found together. There was a lot of blood in the bathroom near to where London was shot twice. Now are you aware that Nichol was very petite and not much bigger than Alexa? How could she possibly physically have moved both London's and Alexa's bodies? That just doesn't make sense. Yet you and other DL posters won't budge from your M - S theory despite its total impracticality.

CW was petite as well Poo. NO worked out...CW not so much.

No statement has been released that they were moved. One could have been standing in that area when shot and walked or crawled on her own over to her sister. We just don't have these answers yet.

Discussion in new subreddit community group appear to favor Charlie as innocent, but have an open mind, at the same time.

WWWWWWW What ??? My Nancy has a podcast ? My prayers have been answered.

What exactly constitutes as evidence that was backed up on Dr Oz or Nancy Grace ? I recall a bunch “if this” or “if that” .....

No gym workout is needed to kill innocent creatures.

No signals or notifications are needed to fake BFF's to commit suicide and murder children.

Please don’t spill the beans, Poo. Nichol and I entrusted you with the clues from the crime scene that only we know. The investigation will not be complete without you, but you can’t let the ignorant peons know our secrets, okay?

Just keep your special knowledge to yourself until the capital murder trial.

An experienced hunter makes you a very good shot. My only problem with this case is how in the heck did She manage to shoot the girls. One is 16 and the other 10, now if it was small children I can see the scenario. But how do you render someone motionless managing to get a shot to the head. It was someone they feared that made them motionless. I think he shot her first, the girls were hiding in the closet because they could hear NO and CW fighting and came out after they hear a shot. They see their mom dead and are shocked and motionless then he shots them. Sounds more like an experienced shooter to me.

For anyone that is saying that CW has not been cleared as a POI or declared innocent.... In the real world a POI isn't ever cleared because they have not been charged with a crime. CW will remain "POI" until the case is closed unless the DA charges him with the murder of the two girls or any crime related to this case. It's important to note that what hasn't been said by LE or the DA has value as well. They have NOT charged CW with any crime, they have NOT said that NO was murdered, they have NOT said that there any other suspects and they have NOT said that NO didn't kill the girls. Sure there are cases where the guilty party is walking around free for months until LE gets a strong case put together. In most of those cases there are not children as victims of homicide. If LE has any evidence that would put this on CW no matter how small they would have arrested him. It doesn't mean that hes innocent it just means that there isn't enough to charge him with the girls murder. I don't buy that CW has so much money that LE or the DA are afraid of him and his legal team. I think if anything the sheriff would have pushed to have CW arrested if he thought he could make the charges stick.

R298, that is possible.

Although I still think she did it, you make a good argument. I’d be interested to see if there was evidence of missed shots, stray bullets. There’s no mention in the incident report, but an incident report wouldn’t necessarily contain that kind of crime scene detail.

R292, Do you have a link for the sub-Reddit? Odd that they saw CW as innocent compared to Nichol. He wasn't a very large man but he was certainly a lot bigger and physically much stronger than his very petite ex-GF. He also weighed a whole lot more.

Bodies were clearly moved from the online reports I read. Agree that some specifics were not yet publicly available although info has leaked.

She probably took the first one by surprise. The younger one came out to see what was happening. She got close enough to hit with a shot to the neck or wherever and then after she was stopped, shot her again in the head. I doubt they were running all over the place and thus were relatively easy targets. Pulling a small body such as LB's along a slick floor would probably not be a problem either.

r/NicholOlsen in search and then click on Communities

R299, The real question you should be asking is exactly how many LE are still working on the case, how many man hours are being put in, and would the FBI still be assisting?

No, I do not believe they will arrest CW until they have an airtight case. Would not make sense re his high powered team of attorneys, and they're not in any hurry. Experts have also commented that the longer the wait is to arrest a suspect the more likely he is to make mistakes which helps the DA.

I think they would less likely to run from Mom and to listen if she sternly asked them to be still. No child would fathom Mom would kill them. They were taken by surprise. Mom was likely hiding the gun and asked the girls to come out of hiding to the common area. Probably let them know CW had left, so it was safe to come out.

Poo, London wasn't shot twice.

M-S isn't DL's "theory". It's the medical examiner's.

R302. Nichol wasn't that much bigger than 10-year-old Nichol. Moving her body would have been very difficult, as it would Alexa's. It was clear that London was trying to hid in the bathroom per what was released online. Appears Alexa was shot on the landing.

In any case it doesn't make any sense for Nichol to kill herself on the landing, after placing the 2 bodies nearby.

One of his lawyers is a former assistant city DA. I remember reading her name in the news years ago when she helped prosecute criminals. She knows the ropes.

All reports state that London was shot twice, once in the neck and once in the head.

R308, Correct. She was an Assistant DA for 12 years. Exactly why Sheriff and his team are being so extremely careful to dot every "i" and to cross every "t" before submitting charges against CW.

@309 No. All reports say she suffered a gunshot “injury to the head and neck.” Never says two gunshots or two wounds.

I live in Kentucky. What is a landing ?

When they talk about CW’s family they sound like the Ewing”s.

Correct. You could say they are waiting to gather a strong case before charging CW. However, you can also say they are also trying to gather a strong case to NOs friends ( to prove she murdered them herself ) who are blasting this out to every public avenue they can. Both sides require sound proof evidence.

How many times has the ME changed their ruling? That's all well and good about them 'building their case,' but they have none without the ME changing their findings and that's highly unlikely. At this point, they are just wasting money dragging case out.

The ME won’t change it’s findings. NO was declared a suicide. They are trying now to find out if she also killed her children. That’s what the investigation is about.

R263 You’re a clown and your desperation is showing. You are an idiot to believe that CW and family are going to sic lawyers on every internet poster who calls him names and hurts his feelings. You better be careful what YOU say, because you’re making him look like a huge pussy. He might sue you!

R315, exactly my point. The ME would have to change NO cause of death from suicide to homicide, which is very unlikely.

Anybody in NOs camp claiming to have inside information released to them by the LE and told not to tell is also BS. Her camp is contacting media to gain public attention. Do you think Nancy Grace or Dr.Oz just decided to to a piece on a story that hasn’t had any real local media attention in over 3 weeks? The last people the LE would open up to would be them.

A landing is just a hallway.

R312, The landing in this case refers to the top of the 2nd floor staircase, and the entrance to the hallways.

Posters on various online sites have compared the CW's family with the Ewings and various others on Dallas and Dynasty et al. Note that CW didn't hold a full-time job.

It's the top of the stairs. In some homes it is a large enough area to have a sitting area. Some use it as an upstairs family room/common area. Usually bathrooms and bedrooms are off of it.

I understand it would be hard to do a good job of staging to look like someone killed themself but it would also be extremely hard to also make look like the victim killed two people. Did someone say it was reported the children had been moved ?

He had a business he built. He sold it and kept the rights to a name and started a bigger business that invoices out $200,000 plus per day.

They claim to think that the children were moved because the report said there was smeared blood on the wall and blood in the entrance to a bathroom. However it did not indicate where the blood was found in proximity to the bodies. So you can use your imagination here.

People hate him because he has money. His taxes pay for people like TB who lived in government housing.

R318, ". . . hasn't had any real local media attention in over 3 weeks? "

Excuse me? Maybe the San Antonio press has stopped their daily updates, especially the releasing links to the crime report definitely done within the last 3 weeks, but there have been major media attention to this case far more recently.

R298 I've also thought the same thing. I think that the girls might have run over to her when they saw her with the gun to try to stop her (if she had been yelling/crying that she was going to kill herself) and that is how they were close enough for her to kill them without having to chase them down (killing Alexa first,then London) London might have tried to get away which is why the bullet traveled. In the frenzy of it all she might have had a moment of "what have I done" tried to move them and then kill herself. IF she killed her daughters I don't think it was premeditated nor had she ever thought of doing it before. I think the girls were trying to stop her and NO in such a state of desperation and just plain freaking out that she shot the girls first and perhaps at closer range than if the girls would have been otherwise.

The smears on the wall could be from someone sliding to the ground after being shot. The pooled blood in a different area could have been a low spot in the flooring, or sadly matter and fluids from the body tend to end up far away from the body from the force.

“Real” local media attention. Not since they released the incident report. The dad talking about his struggles last week is not what I would consider anything big. Sorry. I’m not trying to be insensitive but no, it feels like crickets.

R325, Most very rich men aren't trophy hunters, posting their big game kills on their social media. Nor do they have multiple pictures of themselves with big glasses of liquor as evidence of their masculinity.

I really admire the fortitude and innovation of very rich men, including the rags to riches story of my 2 deceased maternal uncles. Even more so the holocaust survivor (by living in the trees) immigrant of my sister's father-in-law.

yes - low interest in this story now. I ask friends and family and nope - never heard of this case. Even asked a law enforcement person - nope - not a clue.

R325, Who is "TB?"

She may have slit a wrist in the bathroom (small pool of blood mentioned in incident report), realized that was not effective and resorted to more “sure fire” method (excuse the pun.).

Tina Bridges

R330, then you haven't seen the Instagrams of multimillionaire athletes. They are littered with hunting pictures.

TB is being egged on by Dan Renzi. I look to look twice when I saw the name on her FB. For those who don't know, he was on the Real World.

Most of us respect people who earn money honestly but yes we do dislike people who get money from Mommie and Daddy. What we hate about CW is if you follow any murder he is the most likely suspect and I haven’t heard anything to change my mind. Especially from Poo.

I haven’t followed this case in a few weeks. Has it been released why they think Nicole killed herself ?

We. Don’t. Know.

I’ve seen some very creative interpretations of the incident report in these discussions. We don’t know.

R290 Since you have so much “inside information,” do you know who Alexa was texting when all this was going down, besides her boyfriend? Do you know what she said in those texts? Because I do. And it’s quite telling and leaves zero doubt in my mind that Charlie didn’t do this and Nichol did. I’m the poster that told everyone about the pics of Nichol with all the dead animals that SHE killed, long before they came out (to answer a question I read way up the thread, there are no pics of Charlie and the girls on his IG) so my information has checked out thus far. Has yours? You really need to give it a rest—you don’t know any of these ppl in “real life,”’though I’m sure her friends have made you feel really special and included for helping them in their “search for justice.” You have no dog in the fight, yet you continue to speak as if you know inside information just to keep the lies and fake news circulating. Just stop. Anyone that REALLY has inside information, knows Charlie will never be arrested bc he’s 100% innocent. Even her friends know at this point, which is why they’ve all suddenly piped down, with a few exceptions (like one angry poster on DL).

R336, I don’t think anyone would release her motive for killing herself just yet. Maybe if the case is closed after determining it was a M-S. (If that’s how it shakes out - it could still be a triple murder.)

Nobody would be privy to that information except the person who did it, anyway. Maybe if they left a note.

I can make a few assumptions why she might have done it. And can also make a few assumptions why he might have done it.

R316 No need for desperation when the truth is on your side. And you’re right, calling Charlie names won’t get anyone sued, but making up and/or repeating specific stories all over SM of egregious, criminal behavior that never happened, just might. Sorry your friend did this, I’m sure it’s hard to accept. Maybe a long vacay, courtesy of that GFM page, will help you and the others cope. When this is all said and done, we’ll see who the “clowns” are. SMH.

R338, although I’m dying to ask, I won’t. What I would like to ask is why you think this is taking so long. My assumption is that authorities are waiting for the toxicology results so they can wrap this up with no doubt left. They can’t clear anyone until the case is closed? And they can’t close it until all results are in?

When it comes out that she did it. CW and his family or friends will not disclose the reason or details. They will not kick NO while she’s down. If it comes out, it will be released from her crowd. I don’t know any of these people, so this only my opinion but I am basing this opinion on the behavior of her side versus his side thus far.

R339, Please just answer me one crucial question that no one on DL has bothered to address. If CW believed that Nichol was suicidal, as he claimed to have repeatedly called and texted her after he left that night, then WHY didn't he remove all of his guns from his home? At the very least he should have securely locked them away.

DL Legal experts, Wouldn't that act alone give CM and London's relatives grounds for a civil lawsuit, especially if as has been claimed on DL Nichol had previously threatened suicide?

nope - maybe if one of the minors had committed the crime, maybe there is a case. But NO is an adult, with adult rights to do whatever she wants and if that includes breaking the law - just suffer the consequences. And maybe it was her gun.

R342, I know some people here think that CW should tell his side of the story or make a statement, which I respect. But I think it’s the most wise and gracious act for him to remain utterly silent. There is no way he can defend himself without her camp calling it an attack. The facts, when they surface, will say everything. No editorializing needed.

Least said, soonest mended.

If their relationship was as toxic as it sounds, I'm sure there many fights where one of them drove off and if she did threaten, he probably never truly thought she would go to that extreme. But her level of upset did have him at least checking on her. Usually one person gets a grip and stops responding, goes to sleep etc. He probably thought the girls would be at school by 9am and she would be at work and when he saw her car still there he probably thought oh shit, we are gonna have to talk about last night again, never expecting the horror show he walked into.

R343 has asked a good question twice and gets no answer even from someone who thinks we knows it all...

If it is true one of the daughters has texts that proves Nichol killed herself how come no one called the police before or after ? And where the hell are the servants a house as big as Southfork needs servants.

R341 I truly don’t know the answer to that, so I would only be speculating. I can say the amount of time that has passed is utterly ridiculous and unacceptable, to both sides of this case. I don’t know if the sheriff thinks all of this attention and drama that he’s helped create will help him get re-elected, but I hope it has the opposite effect. I hope his constituents are PISSED about how it’s all been handled and that they all support his opponent, whoever that may be. He has no business being the head of any law enforcement agency.

R347 It has been answered multiple times: he probably didn’t think she’d actually go through with it. And who would ever think she’d also kill her girls??? Someone behaving erratically and saying crazy things happens semi-frequently during emotional fights/break ups—THIS type of tragedy does not. Not matter what, I’m sure it’s a decision that he will regret for the rest of his life, although it probably would have been too late once the police arrived anyway. Hindsight is 20/20.

R343 The victims families can sue CW for whatever they want but unlikely win a case against him for negligence. Even if it's proven that the gun was his he is not a medical/psychological professional to access her state of mind or could have predicted that she would kill herself or the girls. Even if she had a history of mental illness unless there is documented evidence that shows that she was hospitalized or institutionalized for suicidal attempts (which the friends/family have said she did not nor had she ever talked about it) They also can be counter sued for all the legal fees that CW or a percentage (not sure what TX law on that is) that he has to spend on defending himself if he is not found to be negligent. Civil court is very different then criminal the burden of proof would fall on the family to prove that CW was guilty. Now if CW had been there when everything happened and he left without rendering help or calling 911 and its found that they would have survived if they had medical attention they'd definitely have a case. If it is proven that NO killed the girls the families can sue her estate but it's unlikely that the money spent on that would be worth it. It doesn't sound like NO had that many assets. Also all of the "dirty" laundry would be aired out and become public searchable record. They seem pretty hell bent especially the EX husband on making her out to be a saint. That may change after the case is closed .

This is based on the assumption that NO has been proven to be person killed the daughters.

R343, I have no idea (none of us do), but it being Texas and all, I don’t think an adult resident of a home is criminally liable if another adult resident of that home uses a gun located in their shared home for a crime. If my husband takes a knife from our knife block and kills someone with it, I’m not liable for his action with my knife.

I’m not a lawyer, or a resident of Texas, though, so who knows.

IIRC, the Sheriff said the gun isn’t registered to a particular owner. Did I get that right?

If she threatened to kill him or the kids or herself that night, maybe he should have called 911. I can see why he might not have. Another patrol car screeching around their subdivision, alarming the HOA, and who knows what an unstable and angry woman might accuse him of?

A POI is a person with information, NOT a suspect. Two very different things that I do not think any of Nichol's friends understand.

That would mean even her friends and family haven't been "cleared" as a POI.

For those who haven't seen the crime report, I'm providing a link.

[quote] What I would like to ask is why you think this is taking so long. My assumption is that authorities are waiting for the toxicology results so they can wrap this up with no doubt left.

I don't understand what difference the toxicology results would make? Whether she was high or drunk - it wouldn't make any difference when it comes to the actual evidence of bullet trajectories, bloodsplatter and gunshot residue (or lack thereof, say, on Charlie). So she was under the influence - so what? At least to the actual facts of the case - and it certainly has nothing to do with Charlie.

R354, I wrote that, and I agree that the results are probably not significant to the crime. But I think they do need all test results before they can close the case or prosecute. I think (but I’m not certain) that the tox results are part of an autopsy report and they are being extra careful to be sure all results are in. They’re being careful.

R354 Toxicology test were most likely run on all three of them. I've seen them take up to six months to come back. The importance here will to see if the girls had been poisoned or drugged. It also plays a role determining motive. If NO was intoxicated it may explain her state of mind that lead her to commit this crime. The biggest factor that I see with the tox report here would be that it would verify the time of death for each of them and that would play a role in making sure that CW was were he said he was at that particular time. A case like this will not be closed without a toxicology report.

^^ if they leave anything out, the family will see it as “hiding something”. Again, I don’t think the results will be terribly material to motive or crime, but better to for all the i’s and cross all the t’s.

Thanks R355 and R356 - I see what you mean. But it's frustrating because they have evidence now about some very crucial elements, evidence that is extremely likely to take a lot of heat off of Charlie, and they're not releasing it, which is frustrating. If they were so worried about releasing any partial evidence before 100% was concluded, why let the ME say she committed suicide but NOT say how he knows that? It's like they thought it was ok to release one little part of his findings - but not all of his findings (short of the toxicology results, which wouldn't necessarily be part of his findings, but I'd assume he could get 'some' idea of alcohol level, just with a simple blood test?)

R358 The ME determines the cause death and he ruled NO to be suicide and the other two a homicide. That has to be done fairly quickly because the bodies will need that in order to release them back to the family for funeral. The ME report is public record as is the death certificate which is why the sheriff could release that piece of it. The rest is still an ongoing investigation and once the FBI stepped in they most likely recommended to this media happy sheriff to stop with his interviews etc. I agree that it's frustrating! the whole thing has turned into a circus mostly because of NO's friends making it seem like there was a cover up of some sort which is so far fetched.

Good comment, r359. Makes sense.

R355, R356, Under what circumstances would the ME be forced to change his ruling of M - S? Would the DA be able to prosecute if that ruling hasn't changed?

R361 I would think the DA would prosecute it without a change from the ME.

Wouldn't

R363, I can’t, either. There would have to be some pretty strong evidence to the contrary.

Would there need to be an intervention from the court in that case if the ME refused? Could a DA prosecute even if the ME maintained it was a suicide?

R364 , they probably could, but likely wouldn't, because I doubt a jury would convict.

R364. No, a prosecutor wouldn’t even be able to get someone indicted by a grand jury (much less tried and convicted) for a homicide of the cause of death is ruled a suicide. In every criminal prosecution, the DA has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt every specific element alleged in their indictment in order to be entitled to a guilty verdict. In a murder case, they have to prove both cause of death and the “manner and means” of the death, which is only done with testimony from the ME that conducted the autopsy. If this case went to trial, as it currently stands, the ME would say the cause of death is suicide and the manner and Means is “gunshot wound to the head.” In that scenario, a judge would grant a directed verdict and automatically find Charlie not guilty. Meaning a judge wouldn’t even allow a jury to deliberate guilty or innocence bc the evidence is legally insufficient.

R361 The ME didn't make the ruling willy nilly. He's a medical doctor that went to school for an extra 3 years to become a ME as well as he has several people also MD that help make this determination. In SA (I believe) the ME office is part of the UT Science medical center. He made the determination with all available information from LE as well as ballistics and trajectory analysis. These are reports are quickly available because the FBI stepped in and technology today is very advanced.

I just looked up case-law to see if there are cases where the ME was challenged or change. There was a case in 2005 but it was due to the person confessing that he was responsible for the death rules a suicide. Other cases that challenged the ME are older (forensic science had come a long way) and not one of them were suicides.

The DA would be very foolish to try to prosecute this case as a criminal case with a suicide ruling from the ME. He'd have to get past a grand jury (23 people) that decides if whatever evidence the DA's office is presenting would be enough to charge anyone in this case. I just don't see that happening. 23 people is a lot of people to convince. Murder trials are very expensive and very time consuming there are a lot of steps to get past before anyone is even charged let alone it go to trial. I've been working on a case that has taken 3 years with very strong evidence and it still hasn't gone to trial.

I just don't see anyone being charged with NO's death. Now the girls is different. There is no info other than the initial police report and the ME saying that their deaths were ruled a homicide. If LE has a suspect I think they would have said so by now. Also, POI can move to the next level which is potential suspect with very little evidence and that hasn't happened with CW so deducting from that he isn't responsible for NO or the girls deaths...

Thank you [R361]. Very interesting. It is nice to have it broken down in an unbiased way. Makes a lot of sense.

I don't think tox results make a difference. I think there is more to it, like behind the scenes stuff at the sheriff's office. To the poster who keeps bringing up that Charlie knew she was suicidal.. there was only one poster who said that, so they would be the one with an answer for you. I'm not 100% certain they are legit anyway. They seem kind of extra at times and if they are making shit up, it's only hurting Charlie, not helping. If it turns out to be true, then yes, he used poor judgement. It still doesn't make him a murderer, but it opens him up to a lawsuit for sure. It also reflects badly on his character. However, that might not have been the first time she threatened it. But we really don't know. I support him, but I consider myself level headed and unbiased. If evidence turns up that he might be involved or the ME reverses their decision, I could definitely flip sides. That hasn't happened yet.

This has nothing to do with anything, but Charlie's father has a criminal record for an assault with intent of bodily harm filed on Valentine's Day 1981. From the record I can't tell if it was filed against Mr. Wheeler or if he was the plaintiff. Yessiree bob, there is stories galore 'round here.

ooops. The assault took place on Valentine's Day. The charge was filed later.

Re a scholarly article originally posted on Websleuths dealing with staged suicides. LE is just now beginning to have the skills to ferret out these set-ups.

The majority of staged suicides are set up by men. The majority are "discovered" by the stager. The majority are gun crimes. The majority are phoned in as suicides, or reported as suicides when LE arrives. The majority are intimate crimes, between men and women in relationships

Interesting coincidences with CW & Nichol?

R372 , how many times will you post this, Poo?

R372, so he killed 3 people then set up Nichol to look like the shooter? You know how stupid that sounds? It's not merely staging one person's suicide, with two other people involved there is a laundry list of other things. Unless he has a genius criminial mind, it's highly unlikely. You think investigators are morons who couldn't see a staged M-S with 3 people dead? This is really grasping and just because men are usually responsible, doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rule.

R372, is Charlie Wheeler smart enough to fool a Medical Examiner? Why did he kill the girls? Why didn’t he have a better alibi?

R372 it’s 2019! Not the 80’s when most of these staged cases have been dug up from cold case files that were reopened. Which I think it’s great bc those victims deserve justice. However, forensic science has come a long way which is why now these cases have been reopened and the data is available.

There were restrictions on the Reddit group that have been removed. Now it should be open to all. Search for r/NicholOlsen then click on Communities.

If you subscribe, it will be easy to find each time logging on.

reply 268 Agh..., my eyes!! Ayudame...

So CW called this in as a suicide?

R380 according to the police incident report, yes.

The person (s) defending CW always writes poor Charlie or Charlie gonna sue you DL meanies which makes me highly suspicious. What about the victims ?

R288 Yes, Poo, they requested you stop posting on order to avoid your “reveals.” Do tell!

R372 Agreed. It is 💯 percent politics when the good sherriff in charge of 2 million people is too incompetent to “solve” this “mystery” that was closed by much smarter people 13 hours after the execution of the children by NO.

San Antonio is the second largest city on Texas. Why is their law enforcement so incompetent in solving crimes that they have to call in the FBI? I would expect that from a small town. Is this a national crime deserving federal dollars?

This is a Murder-Suicide and once this is “solved,” I think that the Sheriff use his share of federal funds to reimburse the national taxpayers who paid for this wasteful investigation. Texas has no state income tax. All of us literally paid for this federal investigation with our tax $$$. Fuck you very much, San Antonio.

R385 I’m not sure what TX not having a state income tax has to do with federal tax dollars being spent, but since you mentioned it, it is pretty awesome! lol

San Antonio is the seventh largest city in the United States! With about 1.5 million people.

And they've got Sheriff Barney Fife making an ass of himself - almost makes you miss Arpaio.

I guess I need to move along, nothing to see here, but it's not every day you have to watch a man's name be made mud by incompetence and some weird kind of menace. A latter day Salem witch trial, Texas style. And LE just sits there watchin.

Haven’t been following - but can someone please summarize why this case is of interest here? Not being snarky.

Is the killer some dreamboat like Hot Top Pop Chris Watts, who we all came to love?

FWIW...This happened in a part of Boerne that is unincorporated so Bexar (pronounced Beyer) county sheriff department has jurisdiction. San Antonio police department doesn’t have jurisdiction over Boerne. In fact the rest of Boerne is part of Kendall County and a whole different jurisdiction. I agree that this sheriff and his department are lame and it’s to everyone’s (that’s involved) benefit that the FBI stepped in. I’m not sure if it would have gone any differently had it happened in San Antonio but I would think that they have more experience and resources.

Our person of interest has the most beautiful eyes, R388. And some brazen hussy killed her two children and herself, and the hussy's goddamned "friends" (and some weirdo hysterics) have decided to create a witch hunt and bamboozle stupid people out of their money to do a "real investigation" to put pretty boy in the electric chair.... oh I don't know. We want closure for the blue eyed cowboy who's being targeted by a lunatic lynch mob of beauticians and trailer trash who had their hair did by this tattooed teen-mom psychopath.

Thank you - that is all I need to hear. Please direct me to nearest GoFundMe page.

#Justice4BlueEyes

R391, the GoFundMe doesn’t benefit the handsome millionaire. It’s for the grfiting hairdressers.

R388. He’s not hot. He’s got beady eyes like a weasel. Chris Watts puts him to shame. This thread has been invaded by his friends, family and/or legal team. They’ve been all over social media trying to drag the girlfriend and do damage control on reports that he abused his exes, killed domestic animals, and liked playing with guns. He’s also a trophy hunter. So not hot.

Thanks R389 for explaining. For the most part, sheriffs all suck. They are elected officials. Anyone can run for the office. They have no bosses or oversight. They have complete power (except for elections). Their clearance rate (solving crimes) is abysmal as compared with police departments. They have a history of convicting innocent people and/or being insane (ie Arpaio) So, if you want to commit a crime do it in an unincorporated or rural area. Thank God for the FBI.

He is HOTT!

R388. It's a saga. Boyfriend is whitey-mcwhite newly minted oil zillionaire who rode the rodeo. Girlfriend was half-black hairdresser with mexican and asian children by 3 different men (first baby at 15). She may have been an escort or hooker. He may be a drunk entitled rage machine. His family is quiet and mega-church religious. Her various multi-hued families are loud and all over social media. He's got three big-league lawyers ceasing-and-desisting everybody. (They shut down a Websleuths thread on the case.) She's got a several griftic go-fund-me schemes to her name. Oh, and somebody shot her two beautiful innocent daughters with clean shots to the heads. Medical Examiner says Murder/Suicide. Sheriff has no idea what happened and is taking his sweet time finding out.

He is way too pretty to have committed murder, that's for damn sure. As long as he shaves the beard, he's got this.

If the San Antonio police chief McManus was in charge, it would have been case closed in a week. But the sheriff did work for the SA police department for over 20 years.

R396, Do you really think it was CW's lawyers who shut down Websleuths? The posts were overwhelmingly pro-CW, going on and on about contributor's close friends and relatives who unexpectedly committed suicide.

R396, Are you a professional writer? Your style is very entertaining.

Makes you realize that there is no justice for women in this world when you read the comments.

Misogynistic and sexist, you’d think we were in the 50s.

It’s hard to give justice when she killed her kids.

Justice in this case will have to be served upon Nichol, wherever she is currently.

And how do we know this for sure? Did someone on Facebook tell us?

What about justice for unattractive people? Her "friends" all said that she couldn't have done this cuz she was too beautiful and so were her kids. Beautiful people don't deserve this - now those women are woman haters if they think you don't spend time and money on your personal looks.

I’m starting to believe she may have done this as hard of a thought that is. I’ve delt with controlling narcissistic men in my life. He may have said she couldn’t use his cars (assuming they were all on his name) to take LB to AGT that next morning and LB started doing what all kids her age do, melting down and having a tizzy which made NO snap. The plan was to take her own life. But gun in hand she accidentally shot her baby in her neck and decided at they point they all had to go together. Such a sad situation. I can’t stop reading, but it’s painful.

Where is the GFM $?

It’s more likely the teenager was having a bitch fest and grifter mom already was heated after her fight with CW couldn’t control her anger and shot the little cunt. She decided to kill her self too since her life is done for after killing Alexa. But she couldn’t leave the youngest daughter to find them both dead and decided she’s better off dead with them.

R406 It’s being used to fund the cosmetologist’s long vacation so could properly grieve NAL’s death.

Wow, R405. So even if she did it, she's still a victim in your eyes if CW wouldn't let her use his car? At 37, why didn't she have her own damn car?

R409 she couldn’t afford one with her hairdresser salary.

CM has not posted in a couple of days. Maybe the wife shut him down.

Then she should have made better life choices instead of expecting others to lend her their car, R410.

R411 Maybe the Sheriff finally filled the weirdo in on a little “secret” (that everyone with half a brain already knows): THE “WONDERFUL AND AMAZING” EX WIFE THAT YOU KEEP RANTING AND RAVING ABOUT ALL OVER THE INTERNET IS THE PERSON THAT KILLED YOUR BEAUTIFUL AND INNOCENT DAUGHTER, ya dumbass.”

CM needs a hospital stay.

CM is penning a rap song to eulogized his killer ex wife. He’s such a sweet ex.

Narcissists suck you in slowly .... treat you like a princes; placed in a mansion and luxury car.... THEN it’s said it is their house and their car and you are treated like a child. I have been there. Takes time to gain the strength to leave. I left my narcissist physician. I wasn’t even allowed to go grocery shopping myself. Was treated like dirt for dare saying our child needed milk. It’s horribly humiliating.. At least I was married to my ex and the court made him take care of his child. It makes you feel desperate and crazy. My situation included gaslighting. I felt alone and depressed. I’m 8 years post all of that and it’s still hard. I didn’t have an image to protect though.... just a child to protect and provide for. My goal in life was to be happy not rich with a fake life. She was not grounded and had the rug pulled out from under her. I understand that. I could never take my children with me though. Sad.

R416, those kids weren't CW's, where is her responsibility in all of this? She was their parent, not CW, so how was "the rug pulled from under her" exactly?

OMG I was sure you were talking about Nichol being the Narcissist and our Charlie her prey R416! Have you seen his eyes!!! Just ignore that ridiculous facial hair - and then the real beauty will show - this man is DROP DEAD GORGEOUS !! with the bodies to prove it!

ugh - looked like she could come and go as she pleased. Maybe he was a nice guy and felt sorry for her, and then got in too deep. Before he knew it, he was taking care of four people sometimes - financially.

Who knows what she told him.

If she was really having all those ho-downs at the Silver Fox, falling off bars and shit from over twerking, he just might have decided hairdressers weren't his thang.

Or that may have been exactly how she snagged him.

Where are the previous posters getting the fantastical tales that Nichole & Alexa were fighting that night? There's been absolutely no evidence of any conflict between Nichol and her daughters at any time.

Furthermore Nichol was extremely fortunate to have multiple loving relatives and friends to step in and assist as well as both girls' godmother. Countless truly distressed mothers who have genuine conflicts with their daughters would all envy Nichol's very strong emotional support system.

R421, Please explain your post.

R399 I totally believe CW's lawyers shut it down. Websleuths is that Tricia woman's baby. She owns it proudly. Lawyers can easily reach her and threaten cease-and-desist. No other SM interested in this case can you do that with. No one who's been on WS remembers a thread being shut down. There must be a reason, and those poor lawyers have to earn their fees. (It's hilarious to be on WS. Tightly regulated yak-fest run by an ignorant self-righteous mob. When you control voices and nazi-police what's said according to your own whims and call it fair and balanced, you get lies.)

And it was just fun to sum up the case as I see it. Thanks for appreciating :)

WS was more pro-Charlie, if anyone shut that thread down, it was Nichol's looney friends.

Agreed with 425; it was overwhelmingly pro-CW which speaks volumes considering the source.

You really think he exerted control by saying she could no longer cut the hair of her male clients and it stopped there?

R427, how do you know that's true? Stop the insanity and believing all this bullshit that's been thrown on both sides.

She did a lot of hair extension type work - why would men go there?

She didn't just do extensions.

I did not say she ONLY did extensions.....

Then why wouldn't men go there?

R425 you're daft. NO's friends have no legal clout. Tricia is firmly dedicated to protecting the "innocent." Having CW's name bandied about by a bunch of harpy WSers regardless of their swooning fandom means an innocent man's name was being smeared across a SM platform. The lawyers could stop it and did. Thank God, DL and Reddit are (probably) untouchable.

R433 hopefully

R433, you're the daft one if you think NO friends 'have no clout." Someone here said they were encouraging people on reddit to go over to webslueths to post because it was too anti-Nichol. So it was on their radar and a few days later the thread was closed down. Why on earth would Charlie's lawyers go after a pro-Charlie site? Especially since there has been worse said here and certainly 1000% worse on that blog that last I saw was still up. My guess is that it doesn't take a lot for webslueths to back down and it was something on Nichol's side that did it.

R425 I’m 99% sure the WS thread was shut down bc Nichol’s friends were threatening and doxing posters that were pro-Charlie. Because they’re crazed bullies. Tricia takes that stuff seriously and was sick of all the “reports” that she had to investigate, so she just saved herself some time and trouble closed it down. Nichol’s friends have a mob mentality, but the only thing they’ll have TRULY accomplished, when this is all said and done, will be exposing their “bestie” to public ridicule and ultimately, for the selfish, vindictive, child-killing scum she truly was. Way to go, Ladies! See what can be accomplished when you don’t allow yourselves to be silenced! SMH. Twits.

I can believe that R436. I definitely think it was her side who got that thread shut down and probably didn't even need any legal action. If Charlie was legally going after people, that blog would have been the first one he had closed down. I never posted on webslueths, but I read it. The last few days there was an influx of new accounts that were pro-Nichol and were aggressive in their defense, yet said they were undecided. That got the thread shut and cleaned. When it came back a couple of pro-Charlie posters were suddenly gone as were the new pro-Nichol posters.. Then the thread got pretty tame and was closed for good.

CW is not a “newly minted zillionaire”. It’s his family’s money.

Are we sure alexa didnt shoot her sister and herself after seeing her mom dead? I mean poor girls. This was a rough night

I imagine one of the first things they did is look for gunshot residue on the hands of everybody in that house - plus Charlie. So that would have ruled out Alexa shooting anyone.

I think the girls were taken by surprise and frightened. Horrible to imagine what they felt. Just hope it was fast.

Didn't Alexa text someone that she was afraid - they were hiding in the closet maybe? I bet they were used to their psycho mom's rage attacks. But yeah, not used to her shooting them! At least I hope they didn't have to go through multiple episodes of her pointing a gun at them and threatening them, but you never know...

I had a psycho mom who raged and hit me a lot. I think mine was more Narcissist than Borderline though.

Anyway, when I was 11, she met and married a respectable sort of guy and the attacks stopped because she didn't dare let him see her like that. Not saying that was the case here (that Nichol treated her girls better when Charlie was around) - but it was what happened with me. Though I was never close to this guy, my stepfather, in hindsight he saved me from so much. I wish I'd thanked him before he died.

Is Charlie's family really as rich as being claimed?

Did websleuths close down discussion on this topic?

Not billionaires, but very comfortable.

They have a nice nest egg, but in Texas they’re not the elite. Many of Nichols friends husbands are better off.

Yeah, I don't get the feeling even after reading the article that they are super wealthy. I can believe that some of Nichol's friend's husbands are as wealthy, if not more, than the Wheelers. Could be Charlie himself has more than his family with his business.

He does well but not well enough to buy himself out of the news and a murder. He’s been doing well for a few years. There are many, many, many families that have been doing as well as him for decades. So although yes he has money and is incredibly successful, he’s a speck on the map of influential people here in Texas.

His family could have as much as him. It is unknown. From what I’ve heard, even if they did have as much money it would be hard to tell. I’ve heard that although they have a nice home and a ranch, they live a pretty modest lifestyle.

You won’t see them flying in private jets and Nichol probably flashed more labels then you’d see his mom or sister flashing.

yes - i think they are low key and probably have more liquid assets than NO's friends hubbies.

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You are so right. Good lord, Poo & associates act as if CW is the 2019 version of T. Cullen Davis. CW is not even from Bexar County, nor is his family. They may have be well-off, but hardly have the connections and cash fliow to manipulate the local LE amongst other fantastic claims.

R436 You're right. One of Nichol's trashy hairdresser friends tried to dox me on WS. This person threatened to destroy my life. She had incorrect info. to dox me, but it pissed me off. I complained to a WS moderator and then went out shopping. When I returned and hour later, I'd been banned for 10 days.

I thought it was interesting that Charlie Wheeler's lawyer said, he has no criminal record of violent activity.

He didn't say he didn't have any criminal record, just one for violent activity. And you can have your record (including arrest records) sealed by a judge

R436 I should admit I used foul language to address the moderator. It made me furious. I was aware that 2 other people had also been threatened on that thread. WS should have shut it down weeks earlier because Nichol's friends are extremely trashy and violent. I've never know any other thread on WS where people were threatened.

[quote] Yeah, I don't get the feeling even after reading the article that they are super wealthy. I can believe that some of Nichol's friend's husbands are as wealthy, if not more, than the Wheelers. Could be Charlie himself has more than his family with his business

The family is wealthy enough that they gave him a trust fund. A trust fund he was willing to go to court for because he didn't like the terms of it. What ever money he's got, it's because of his family

R455 You can only have your arrest record sealed by a judge if your crimes occurred when you were a MINOR.

[quote] At 37, why didn't she have her own damn car?

She owned a car. She had a 2015 Lexus.

[quote] You can only have your arrest record sealed by a judge if your crimes occurred when you were a MINOR.

That's not true. Records for minors ARE sealed. But adults can hire a lawyer and ask a judge to seal their records. I know someone that has done this

R459 She didn't own a 2015 Lexus. She was a dumb ass hairdresser working at Super Cuts. Someone allowed her to borrow that car and paid for it with "favors".

R460 No, you can't get your record sealed when you are an adult. You can get MISDEMEANORS expunged from your record after numerous years, but you don't get your record sealed.

Yes, she did own a 2015 Lexus. I looked it up on a Lexis Nexis search on Friday. She's insured with Allstate. The policy is still active and paid up to date

R462, don't talk about shit you don't know anything about. Now admit you are wrong, don't know what you are talking about and move along

R463 Did Lexis Nexis state who paid for Nichol's car? No. Did it state who paid for her insurance? No. Trashy hairdressers with violent gansta friends cannot afford luxuries.

[quote] She didn't own a 2015 Lexus. She was a dumb ass hairdresser working at Super Cuts. Someone allowed her to borrow that car and paid for it with "favors".

She does still own it. It is in her name. No one else's name is on it. ONCE AGAIN, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Admit you are wrong, and get off this topic

Can you still own something when you're dead?

Texas Record Sealing (also known as Orders of Nondisclosure) An Order of NonDisclosure acts is an option for those that are not eligible for an expungement/expunction in Texas. An Order of Non-Disclosure does not completely eradicate your record like that of a criminal expungement, but seals it from public domain.

[quote] Can you still own something when you're dead?

It's part of her estate

R457, what are you saying, he sued his parents?

Back in 2008 he (Charlie) petitioned the court for a modification to his trust. His father and his father's sister created a family trust for all their kids

Charlie's dad (Forrest) has shale fields in Mcmullen county. It's the richest county in America. Because of his father and his trust fund, Charlie was able to get into this too. He'd have never been able to do this on his own, without his family's money or connections

[quote] yes - i think they are low key and probably have more liquid assets than NO's friends hubbies

Well, they own one company that spent over $300 Million in expenditures in one year

And they have a pretty fabulous ranch, that you would probably call "low key"

Thank you. It’s quaint and I like that. Just realized that is the pool in infamous shirtless gun holding picture.

Charlie does or used to run hunts at the ranch. And everyone has pics all over the internet of them with the animals they shot. That's where the pics of Nicole with a dead dear are from. The entire family has pics of themselves with dead animals on their instagram/Facebook pages

Thank you for showing, most people do not understand this. And they probably won’t.

Would Nichol would actually hunt. If so, how good of a shot was she? Was she was posing with someone else’s kill or was it hers? I’m assuming for pose only. Maybe she was into it.

She certainly looked into it with her big smile in the photo op.

I changed my mind, the Wheeler family has to be loaded. I'm sure they have way more than Nichol's friends.

The hunting is a turn off to me. However, I accept that many people do it, especially in the south. I'm inclined to believe that Nicole hunted herself since Charlie was so invested in it and ran this expeditions. Why would she go on multiple hunts, if she wasn't going to do it herself? Even if she hated it, I could see her doing it to show him that she shared the same interests. I laugh when I think back to comments saying she was going to leave him. Yeah, right.

And Nichol never touched a guy. 🙄

**gun

But if she touched as many guns as she had guys, she would be an expert markswoman.

Any updates on the Go Vacation $?

Charlie’s family has money. But I personally know about 5 other families in Texas who have more and I’m not even from Texas. They are small potatoes here in Texas. Most people I know have trust funds. Especially in Dallas, Houston area. Maybe NOs friends think that all the rich men they chase in San Antonio is as good as it gets, however San Antonio’s wealth is a joke compared to what’s actually out there.

The threatening from Nichols friends is their mo. Look at what they’ve done to this case. What’s silly is they think they can destroy you, but where? In their shitty world. Sorry girls. I don’t want to be well known in your world anyways.

Well there is a picture of CM driving a Lexus, so maybe they are the type of people that put all their money in one item that they think is impressive?

And still nothing from CM since the 14th

That is because CM's wife threatened to bury him next to Nichol (if she's smart).

or he is in hiding cuz they are coming for him? He did it?

R489 nah

[quote]R397 He is way too pretty to have committed murder, that's for damn sure. As long as he shaves the beard, he's got this.

If they could railroad Our Chris into a guilty confession, they can get to anyone.

They spent HOURS and HOURS interrogating Chris before he at last told them “what they wanted.”

Coincidence??

The difference between the two men R491, is that Chris Watts is a dumbass

Press conference right now. on FB Sleuth Syndicate

Scratch that....the stupid fb group is posting the old press conference.

Why do people post old stuff. That was from January 14.

There’s no new stuff. We’re just going around and around with our opinions since this case has been stale for weeks now. Sheriff stopped his self serving press conferences.

Since you all are bored, here's something new for you. MT goes by her middle name. Her given name is Kathryn. Look her up in Bexar county records

Wow R497....very interesting!

Sorry but who is MT among the cast of grifters?

i think that is Michelle Thomas. NO's friend and godmother to the girls

R497 oh my

Looks like those are from a good while ago.

NMB is back on FB, but all her pictures and posts are gone, except for plugging a fundraiser for her charity.

The most recent is a foreclosure in February 2019. As expected, another criminal amongst the cast of Nichol’s gifted friends and family.

I don’t think it is the same MT.

Good catch, r497. Another criminal. What is with these people? This reminds me of the Watts case, where everyone was a scamming grifter.

Well, she does spell her name Michele. One L, not two.

Nice burglary charge.. yikes!

Someone said NMB has her fb back up, so go look and you'll notice that NO isnt in any of the pictures on her timeline. She wasnt at her annual parties or anything else. She had no right to do the things she did

R496 it'll probably be stale another week; the rodeo is in town through next weekend...

R505, it has to be the same person. On her FB profile, under “Other Names”, it says “Yow”. Same name on her divorce file.

It’s ironic that all these people with criminal records are pointing the finger at - literally - the ONLY person among them who doesn’t have a single judgment against him.

I wonder if Charlie is kicking himself now for getting involved with NO. Some people have regrets, some don't look back, I don't know Charlie at all, so no idea what category he falls into. On one hand, I think he is commendable in that he went after someone who was totally unorthodox and he didn't care what people thought. On the other, he and Nichol were an odd pair and in the few photos and videos that are out there, he looks uncomfortable and out of place around her family. I think if it was just Nichol, minus the kids, exes, and extended family, it might have been a better relationship than it ended up being. I do think this started off with him looking for some strange and then it snowballed into something more. What a disaster it ended up being. I'm sure ole Charlie will go back to playing it safe after this.

CW is uncomfortable around the grifters and criminals. He needed to be careful around them. They might try to hit him up with a new scam.

Yep, r512. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. Maybe he didn’t know they were all a bunch of sleazy criminals until it was too late.

And, r513, NO looked pretty uncomfortable in his world, posing with dead animals and grinning with his father (Father? What’s a father? What does it do?)

I’d be interested to know more about Charlie. His family seems very much like the country folk who don’t like to show off their wealth. And it appears that Charlie was one of them. Was he like that until Nichol turned him out? The photos of bearded Charlie in sockless loafers paints another picture. Never would have pegged him (ha!) as a rodeo rider and hunter. Very interesting.

Did she really cut men’s hair? Her SM only shows women’s hair. And she was sharing a rented studio in a professional suite. The last place she was is basically a chain of rented suites. It’s not upscale and I can’t see too many Southern men venturing into a cosmetology center to get haircuts.

I’m perhaps assuming too much, but I imagine that Southern men (are Texans considered “Southern”?) enjoy the quasi-segregation of a barber shop. My husband has been going to the same (male) barber for the last 25 years, and would never consider going to a “salon” for his haircuts.

It’s possible. It’s just hard to imagine.

We probably don't know half of what NO and her crew put him thru. He was supporting her kids, letting her brother live in his home, his home gets robbed, he has to hang out with undesirables, his house is ruined by being turned into a blood bath, and yet these criminal grifters still want more out of him, and have tried to slander his good name.

R516, her crew denied that the brother was living at the Anaqua house, but he’s linked with the address. I saw a comment that maybe he was just getting his mail there. Why would he do that? I also saw a comment that he had his own house with his family (I gather there’s a babymama and a kid, and if it’s who I think it is, there are a TON more court records, criminal and otherwise). So why wouldn’t he use that address?

And she ruined his hott look temporarily by making him grow that nasty beard and dressing him up like a little boy. She probably left him with some gifts that keep giving down South.

R514, I liked his style before Nichol, if she was responsible for those brown crocodile loafers than she made him look like an ass. To the person who compared his looks or whatever to Chris Watts, Charlie is not a murderer, but on a purely aesthetic level, he is a hundred times better looking than Watts. Charlie has a handsome face, Chris only looked decent with the beard. Chris had a better body though. I don't think Nichol got Charlie to the gym given his gut.

R515, she did cut men's hair. One of her good friends was interviewed and he said they would talk as she cut his hair. He was gay, so maybe the men who came in weren't good old boy types.

R517 do tell..

If the brother had his own home and family, why use his sisters address? That is stupid and makes zero sense.

R520 so they could serve his warrants at somewhere other than his house.

oh wow - I didn't think that the foreclosure would be MT's, but i looked her up on the Bexar Tax Appraisal site and she has a property in Hunter's Glen neighborhood. Nice house, and when i googled the address, it shows that NO lived there at one time also

April 2011 to July 2012

Jeez, how many addresses did Nichol have? Poor children.

They probably just lived out of boxes, rather than packing and unpacking again each time.

Do we know if the GoFundMe was reported to be fraudulent?

The Anaqua address might have been their longest residence in the last ten years.

All of you people looking up addresses and think that’s means someone actually lived there are delusional. I’m linked online to my best friend in another state (where I have never resided or received mail), my ex husband’s (whom I divorced 20 years ago’) new wife’s previous addresses, my daughter’s address where I have never lived or received mail, etc.

R527, you’re right about that.

I just looked myself up, and I’m linked to the people in my building who share my married last name. My maiden name is extremely unique, and I’m not linked to my family that shares that name. It’s almost a relief that someone sleuthing me would be rather misled.

R509, and you’re right about that. At least MT seems to have been a genuine part of Nichol’s life.

Right about that.

This case has gone cold. Even Carlos has gone silent for the last few days. BTW, that blog was updated and no way is that anyone but D avida, even though she denies it. It reads just like her.

You cannot trust addresses and information on those sites. I have a very unique last name (Irish but with Americanized spelling from Ellis Island) and I found info on myself that I had graduated high school in another state and was a small business owner, which I have never been.

Charlie’s a successful, self made millionaire. Just like Donald Trump.

Would it be better to you if he sat on his ass and counted his trust fund money, R533?

someone requested upthread.. Here's London's ig, she was a singer

R531, I've never written a blog in my entire life, as anyone with common sense can easily determine by comparing writing styles.

Aw, she put "sorry I am ugly".. she was BEAUTIFUL and you could tell she would be when she grew up :'(

RIP London

Why does a mother let her minor child have a public Instagram? So much for being an attentive parent.

What a mess. Who else could’ve done this other than CW and NO? Yes, I know it’s pretty obvious NO did it. But like what could be other possibilities?

Carlos Montes. Maybe he was back on drugs and flipped out and killed Nichol. He killed the kids so there are no witnesses.

R538, it’s possible, but unlikely that someone else killed them; an associate of NO or CW or possibly Alexa. I don’t know why anyone would kill the girls and how anyone would know that Charlie would be out of the house that night

R540 I've thought of this as well. I wondered if the guilt was why he kept going on about NO.

My name doesn't link to any address other than where I have lived. I have a feeling that Nate G modeling only shows up because it is an apartment building.

That’s EXACTLY what I thought!

....I mean just how many people haves lived in that same apartment

well he is back....

R536 You gave yourself up as the blogger when you started posting about the “cum dumpster” allegation. Bc that was (false) information sent directly to the blogger via the contact information listed on the blog. But it was never actually written about, so how else would you ever have known that someone said that?

The writing style is different, but All of the information came from the one and only DR. Most total made up lies. I hope the Wheelers sue the blogger.

It seems like CM is more obsessed about the death of his ex and possible killer of his daughter than his own daughter.

R548 To me he seems like someone who has desperately wanted some kind of platform and for ppl to pay attention to him (hence his weird attempts at rapping on his IG, etc.). This gave him that, and the potential to get free money via GFM and a lawsuit against a millionaire, and he is going to milk it for all it’s worth. I’m sure he’s grieving but he’s also a total opportunist. The human nature and negative qualities that this situation has stirred up within the ppl involved is scary to witness.

R546, I've written a lot of info on DL gathered from an extremely wide variety of sources which has not been printed elsewhere. It's one of the reasons I was politely asked to stop revealing confidential details of this case.

If you insist on giving me credit for a blog I clearly dd not author then there's nothing I can do to stop you from fabricating falsehoods. It definitely won't be the 1st time DL Trolls have blatantly and knowingly lied about me.

R549, Carlos Montez won't win a lawsuit against CW unless there's valid credibility according to the justice system.

Questions have been asked across social media for an accounting of the GoFundMe funds. There's been no verification as to where the money raised is going and to whom. Some of it was returned to the donors upon request.

DL, Try to find a heart for a deeply grieving, understandably very emotional man. Please understand why many parents facing a shocking and tragic loss are suicidal. To even suggest that Carlos Montez is the triple murderer is beyond disgusting, even for DL.

No matter how you cut it, CM has lost a child. I pray I never experience that pain. I’m grateful that I do not understand his grief and it’s process.

R551 I never said he’d win a lawsuit—I said he sees potential free money in a lawsuit. I’m not sure what you mean by “valid credibility according to the justice system”—that’s not a legal standard used here in Texas, or that I’ve ever heard of. But I do agree, just bc he sues CW, doesn’t mean he’ll actually be awarded any money. If he does, I think he’ll lose bc I don’t see how anyone can be found to have negligently caused a mother to murder her kids. It would definitely set legal precedent if he did win. And I also don’t believe he’s a triple murderer. I just think he’s grieving in a bizarre way, and hey, who’s to say how anyone would/should react to this situation? It’s beyond devastating, I’m sure.

R551 why isn't it disgusting to insinuate and down right accuse CW of being the murderer of the three, when the ME conclusively ruled Nichol committed suicide. CW is not a suspect, although it would fit the agenda of Nichol's supporters.

I think CM made up that his house flooded to get more sympathy. Who leaves the water running when they leave for a few days? He is trying to cash in on people's high emotions on this case.

He said it was caused by the washing machine water line.

CM is a grifter like the rest of Nichol’s friends and family. He will milk this situation for all he can.

R551 suicide is not a normal solution to stress or grief, under any circumstances. Please don't try to normalize suicide. You have posted this at least twice.

R555, Have you ever considered that perhaps CM had a pipe unexpectedly burst in his home? Happened to my sister in her expensive home when she was on a cruise to Norway.

CM continues to post things that bring criticism. He wants attention, at the expense of being extremely disrespectful to his wife.

R554, Have you considered the fact that the ME was incorrect and way too hasty in his declaration of M - S? Some of us are aware of evidence that directly contradict his findings, and I'm not just talking about Nancy Grace and her team of experts, but also a retired 50-year expert in investigating supposed M - S with the FBI.

R561 why did the Sherriff say he doubts a second investigation would draw a different conclusion? Why did he say no new info as of last week?

R562, Please provide a direct quote where the Sheriff says that info, as it's clear he wouldn't be spending so much $$$$ money, manpower, and time nor utilize the FBI if he truly believed the Sheriff's conclusions. He definitely left it completely 100% wide open as to whom killed Alexa and London.

Please also explain why the Sheriff said, "no new info" one week ago.

R563 you can do your own research. It's there.

R561 I worked for the ME office for 5 years and unless things have changed drastically in the last 2 years the ME alone does NOT make the conclusion based on his own. I think most people think it’s a doctor in a lab coat in some basement looking at a body on a steel table with a clip board. That’s NOT at all how it happens. He has a team, with MEDICAL degrees and forensic science experts. Things don’t just get missed. Especially when it’s a crime scene and there is a lot more info provided from LE. Not to mention that they typically have access to the deceased medical records. ME’s have to problem writing “undetermined” or “pending” on their reports. This was NOT the case when he signed off on all three deaths.

You do have to hand it to Poo, she is consistent with her BS.

Regarding NMB's Facebook page, is that her husband she is posing with on the picture for a fundraiser? If so damn you guys weren't kidding!!! If it's just some random old guy that's sick then never mind, cause that would be mean.

R567, that's not her husband.

R536, my common sense tells me that it's you. Writing style isn't all that different, content is the same.

R535, Therefore you just admitted that you totally lack common sense.

R564, You're clearly misinterpreting the info "out there" from the Sheriff especially since he hasn't made a public statement in far more than a week.

R565, Are you saying that you're more of an expert than a detective who has worked for more than 50 years directly with the FBI specifically overturning cases that appear to be M - S and in fact prove not to be the case leading to arrests of the perp? Do you even know the exact angle of the bullet that entered Nichol's head?

I've brought up in earlier threads that there are rumors of either CW or/and Nichol buying and using/distributing party materials among their friends. It's very common in certain elite circles as well. Issue is that it brings an occasionally unsavory outside parties into the mix. Could someone living in the immediate neighborhood be aware that CW left that night?

R569 do you know the exact angle? Do you think a FB retired detective is privy to more info than anyone else regarding this case?

R569 Are you talking about the dude on that radio show that was basing all of his “opinions” on pure speculation? Or the guy on NG that was doing the same exact tgjng? Look, I think everyone here will admit that the initial information we got about this crime, on its face, made it seem highly likely (statistically speaking) that CW did it. He saw them last, found them, was the SO, etc. However, we have since learned a LOT of additional information, most importantly that the ME called this a M-S. That detective might be extremely knowledgeable about criminal investigation in general, but he was just guessing about this case—he didn’t seem to know even the most basic info when he was talking about what he “thought” happened. And he surely didn’t have any inside information. It’s silly for you, or anyone, to hang their hat on what some of these “professionals”that have no direct connection to this investigation have been saying or guessing.

My guess? CM will write a book

R563

[Quote]alazar said Thursday that no one connected to the “Searching for the Truth” GoFundMe site has been in contact with his office. The family is free to spend the money as it pleases, whether it’s to fund a private investigator or fund another opinion from a different medical examiner, as he has seen suggested on social media, he said. “If the family and friends feel the need to do that, if they feel that they will bring them some comfort, I’m in favor of that,” he said.

He doubts a second medical examiner’s report will come to a different conclusion or that a private investigator could uncover evidence the authorities don’t already have.

R574 , thanks so much for providing that. I knew it was out there, but am too lazy today. 🙄

R573, he could try, but I doubt he'd have much of a story if he does a non fictionalized version. There's not much there and Carlos' role is limited. I think whoever said upthread that Carlos wants to be something more than he is and loves attention is correct. Sick that this is how he is going about it

R549 is spot on. I’ll repeat: these cases always bring out the bad and the kooks.

Poo, for example. Poo, who has INSIDE INFORMATION, and knows things the rest of us don’t. And who points to other clueless attention whores as credible experts.

It also lures out the victims’ “best friends” who were just so close to them.

Carlos Montez made sure to formally end his child support payments on 1/29. I’m guessing it’s a formality that Payroll needed to stop the garnishments. Would the payments keep being made to Nochol’s estate?

Bribiescas doesn’t seem to have done the same. Would

Thank you, r565. Not only that, but San Antonio isn’t some podunk town where the ME also does duty as the only dentist AND postmaster.

Frankly, I think it’s odd that the churchgoing members of the family allowed the bodies to be cremated if they were doubtful about the circumstances of their deaths. Seems to give them license to bitch eternally about the findings and not be proven wrong twice. They destroyed the evidence.

NMB’s husband is Marc Baptiste. His Facebook is semi-open.

Interesting that NMB has only been married to her husband for 4 years. I thought longer and she has 4 children according to her Instagram. Only one appears to be with the current husband.

R581, ALL of the women in this thing are the same. Multi-racial, professions that don’t require a college degree, divorces, baby daddies, sugar daddies, bankruptcies, child support and custody battles, criminal records...

And the endless selfies with the girls.

More fun facts... the Baptistes own at least two houses. Their San Antonio home on Highgate, and ask this one in neighboring Kendall county: 5419 Ranger Creek Rd.

It looks like he was in court a couple years ago for delinquent taxes. 🙄

R583, oh that is interesting. That house looks like a resort. (Do you know what Marc does for a living?) It’s incredibly expensive to maintain one house like that, let alone two.

This shit reminds me of a woman my sister knows, who has a crazy crazy life. She and her ex-husband were convicted of some kind of fraud and insider trading, a pretty elaborate white collar scam. She has started businesses in wealthy cities all over the world but they never last for long. She has a kid she was trying to get into acting and modeling since she was a toddler. She always seems to be traveling in a very luxurious manner. She’s had a few aliases and accused her ex of beating her. I can’t even tell you all the drama. It’s absolutely fascinating.

I have no idea how these grifters have the time and energy for their shenanigans. It takes so much for me to get through my boring and uneventful normal life. They’ve always got some new thing going, and dragging their poor kids along for the ride.

I know what you mean! To top it off, it looks like he owns his own “investment group”.

Hopefully her charities are monitored. Don’t know how financially responsible these people would be with other people’s money.

I agree, these poor kids are the true victims.

R585, thank you for that! That looks sort of... scammy. All those LLCs seem like a way to avoid taxes and lawsuits. Shady.

Well, Marc Baptiste has better watch his back. If he goes down, he’s going alone. And just like Scamella’s husband, he’ll be facing DV accusations while he’s under the bus.

R578, The state did that. London's dad shows up under Nichols name when searching for child support.

London's dad ig,

So sad. He looks like he was a good dad.

He really does. He must be so devastated.

He looks like he was very involved. Wonder if he had any other children.

Looks like he was a great dad. Did he have any other children?

R592, don't think so. Interesting that both he and Carlos had only one child each. I wonder if the son's father had any more kids.

I can’t imagine what it would feel like to lose your only child. Does anyone know anything about NO son’s father? What’s his story?

[588] Likes to be pictured with celebs. JJ, DB and CP.

It's so sad to hear that London thought she was ugly. I wonder who put that idea in her head.

Defitonot her dad. You could see how he was a doting father. Unlike the other one who starved for attention. He only has like 7 or so of his daughter, out of like 900 post.

Has anyone noticed CM new post on his FB today? He doesn’t have the typical justiceforNAL tag along with the flyhighalexa. I think it seems odd since he pays very much attention to what he writes and post. Wonder if that means anything? Maybe they’ve gotten some news and he’s finally realizing that SHE killed his daughter?

R598, check again. He still has the flyhighAlexa and once again brings up Nichol. He basically admits he was an absentee father too.

Can someone create part 7? I would but I don’t know how. lol

There is a #7 with only a few comments. We can move over to that one.

R601 Ah, thanks! I never saw the link.