—Official— Project Runway Bravo Reboot thread

Project Runway - White males need not apply.

Ugh. “...inclusion of plus-size models”

The Colombian dude is cute. As is Garo. Of course the girl from Nashville is wearing that hat like she’s going to Coachella 2012.

Is the hot makeup daddy returning?

Not a reboot.

God, I wish people would learn what "reboot" actually means.

I liked the plus sized models. It really separates the men from the boys, especially if they want to work in today’s market.

Even Rihanna isn’t a size 4.

If it looks like a reboot and sounds like a reboot...

Nina got a promotion

Nina Garcia is having a prophylactic double mastectomy (she has the BRCA gene.)

.....

Hopefully this means a gay guy will finally win now that the show is no longer on frau central Lifetime.

is there any update on Chris March/season 4 health?

No Tim = no go.

[quote] Hopefully this means a gay guy will finally win now that the show is no longer on frau central Lifetime.

It's true, PR was on Lifetime for 9 seasons and a man only won three times, seasons 10, 13 and 16. Women were twice as likely to win on Lifetime.

Not if you count the All Stars seasons, men won almost all of them. But people try to ignore that fact when they go on their silly conspiracy theory.

Guys only won 8 seasons on Lifetime, it's a conspiracy!!!!!!

It's such a made up complaint, there are plenty of real things to bitch about with runway.

Another ugh for plus sized models. It skews the judging.

I'm watching a rerun of the Christian Sirano-Jillian-Chris March-Rami season right now on Bravo, complete with Kors. It really was a lot more focussed back then. Tim spent more time critiquing the designs and offering suggestions.

Karlie Kloss is gross. She looks like a monster.

R12 As of last July he was in a medical facility in N. Cal. undergoing rehab. He’s been hospitalized for months and has tons of medical bills. Sounds like he had a stroke? (right arm and both legs paralyzed) and kidney failure which may or may not be resolved.

Christian's season was my favorite. So fun and a very talented group on the whole. Loved all the finalists.

Poor Chris March! Paralyzed and still recovering. Too bad some of his rich friends or clients don’t step up and pay the 100k to reach his GoFundMe goal. To think someone paid R. Kelly’s 160k child support that was in arrears makes me sick and shows how screwed up the world is.

It looks like that apart from Real World challenges they are doing away with models of different sizes, which is a shame, because that really separated the men from the boys, so to speak. And if you are a Christian Siriano or a Michael Costello who can created fashion for a Heidi Klum AND a Queen Latifah you will have a better chance at a real business.

But there are trans models, so progress?

r22 That's really disappointing re: different-sized models. Not a good first impression.

Can't wait for this to start as I've skipped the last All Stars altogether. Milano and Chapman together is just too much for me. When does that new show with Heidi and Tim premiere?

In a few days.

Of course a designer should be able to create fashion for all sizes, but in a runway competition, the models should all have similar frames so as to not skew the judging of the design, imo...

Funnily, during the regular shows of the last real season the designers who got the thinnest models didn’t necessarily make better outfits or make their models look better week by week than the designers who drew the regular sized or plus sized ones.

I hope the trans model thing is for a gender non-conforming week and not a regular thing.

But when they have such a short time to design, fit, and sew a garment, throwing different size models into the mix is just easy way to screw with the contestants. Then the judges get to complain about the fit of the crotch or whatever.

I wonder how the new season will address the inherent schizophrenia of the show: win weekly competitions with cutting edge designs vs very commercial sponsors looking for mall clothes.

People are counting down to the premiere on Twitter. Seems like they're really excited for this. Though I doubt anyone among them is excited about Karlie Kloss and her Trump connection.

This starts in ten minutes, right?

I agree r25. The models of different sizes is a weird thing in this type of competition setting. I am glad the reboot isn't carrying it over.

Show me one designer who was in the bottom because [italic]and only because[/italic] their design wasn't flattering to the plus-size model. Never happened; they always took other aspects into consideration so as not to be unfair.

R31 types plus sized...

Showing the Season 5 finale, oh Korto. She came in 2nd place three damn times.

r32 I'm a thin homo but I hate how this show pretends these people will design for runways only and not for actual fraus, who are more likely than not plus-sized.

Not feeling Maxwell and his stupid oversized glasses already.

Not digging Karlie in the first five minutes.

"Christian Siriano is your mentor for this season" - Whut? So he's here for one season only? Is he hedging his bets in case the first season bombs?

I need TG.

Karlie's voice is fake and annoying. It's a fake freak how.

r39 So fucking fake. Where did she buy that accent?!

Christian is so natural at this; must be the confidence from his business spilling over.

That Indian designer is balding and has a tragic combover, but other than that is the cutest thing ever.

Korto was my favorite for that season. No one mentioned the necklaces she made, they were fabulous.

How many designers are there??? It's a cast of thousands.

Oh, here we go with the religious exemptions... Does that bitch know the guys are mostly all homos? No problem with that?

Are you straight? *busts out laughing*

At least it led to that exchange.

Giving them two days for the challenge I see.

Is Swatch still...

"250 is not enough money"

"I've never had this much money to spend on one garment!"

Some producer was very happy with those two interviews.

Mixed dorm rooms? I can't stand wearing pajamas so that would never work for me.

The new workroom has such pleasant, natural lighting.

Hester might be getting the loser or the winner edit, I'm not sure yet.

[quote]The new workroom has such pleasant, natural lighting.

Yeah I do love the new work room.

Can't wait to hear Christian's feedback.

What was that comment with the subtitles?

r51 She joked, "It's a competition now, better take your hands off me."

I will never get used to seeing ads for friggin' [italic]bipolar disorder[/italic] medication on your TV.

Kapoor is so goofy and handsome, I'm smitten.

Christian's comments are so on point, omg.

I miss Tim. Christian may be talented but at this game he's a lightweight. His critiques were wan.

Karlie is a genetic freak.

The squealy Indian guy is getting on my nerves.

Frankie needs to leave. Ditto the goofball white girl.

First emotional breakdown of the season!

Kapoor's backstory was heartbreaking. Just keep on being joyous, dear.

“Maybelline makeup studio.” Lol.

r55 But didn't Christian tell that one contestant how she could salvage her design?

The voices are so annoying and affected.

Cavanagh is a goner, isn't she?

The trans model is creepy looking. Yeah, I said it.

Plus size meltdown girl is going home.

Only a few contestants are getting focus this ep. Indian guy (kavid?), Cavanaugh, and Frankie.

Winner and bottom two?

Sorry but does the trans model still have twig and berries? Does the designer have enough fabric to cover or tuck that?

Kavanagh is the newest villain; she'll be around for a while.

Plus size meltdown girl doesn’t even have a van to live in down by the river. She can’t go home cuz she ain’t got one!

Chritian may be a wonderful designer but he is no Tim Gunn. Tim is the perfect mentor. I don't know WTF Christian is doing. He should've stuck with being a judge.

I hate the clown girl

Yeah, being emotionally supportive doesn't come naturally to Christian like it does to Tim. His attempts to comfort Frankie were fairly business like and didn't have much warmth r67. Not hating on him, I'd be the same way, but it is a big change from what we are used to with Gunn.

That was a metric fucktonne of train right there.

Fuck these people for trying to ram fat models down our throats. Ditto for the creepy trans.

Who just said "that's the going home look right there" to her neighbor? Was it cavanaugh?

Or did I mishear that?

r72 What? Someone actually said that?!

I thought I heard it, but now I'm not sure. It was when the bathing suit went down the runway.

YAS to the rest of the designers watching the critiques on TV!

Someone said that to Cavanaugh r72. Not sure who.

R46 that made me laugh. The girl was so happy to have $250!

Christian doesn't have a lot of presence. Tim is tall, with a deep, concerned voice.

R72, I was listening pretty closely and didn't hear that comment but maybe I just missed it.

“She looked strong and confident on the runway and that’s all that matters”

Really? So the outfit can look like shit but that doesn’t matter if the model is a good actress?

I’m not impressed by this male designer judge.

That was the most vicious "however" from Nina in the history of this show.

Oh Jesus send this Frankie home STAT.

I heard the "going home look" comment. It was probably spliced in from a confessional.

Look at the schmattes this Brandon Maxwell's slinging at Neiman's.

I adore Renee's look.

Brandon Maxwell is trying to be Michael Kors.

Ugh, I have the sneaking suspicion Frankie will live to see another seam ripper.

It would be great if both Cav and Frankie were sent home. Cull the herd!

Frankie was a loser, period. The initial design was a lousy concept, never mind her unexpectedly Gargantuan model.

Frankie’s model hates her LOL

R85, $1700 for a pink wrap top, polyester and nylon.

But they’ll keep her because social justice...

Tessa, youre kidding

Agreed, R87. There's only one problem, this one has not a scintilla of wit or a sense of humor.

Nina loves them straps so of course Tessa won.

I didn't like cavanaugh at all but Frankie really should've lost. Her outfit was shit

Eh Frankie should have gone. That was really tasteless, and to me that crosses a line that beats bland every time.

So we're going down the pc path, eh? Should make for a boring season.

One vocal fry down.

But, but, but......social justice

So that weird Asian half-bow is the new Auf?

R99 I don’t know if you’re referring to the race of the women (dipshit if you are), but even though I disagree with who was auf’ed, they always eliminate the bland look over the messy look.

[quote] they always eliminate the bland look over the messy look.

Exactly. The look was nothing, it had no design to it. That is automatically the look they want to eliminate.

Renee was robbed. Her look was gorgeous & was definitely a hark back to the photo inspiration. Not to mention she was styled impeccably.

r105 I'm thinking it was too expensive to produce.

Whrn the guy told Brandon Maxwell that he was inspired by the balloons in the background in the picture of Brandon’s mother, I laughed

Frankie stayed because she cried, period. Won’t somebody think of the stone cold bitches?

I miss Tim! When is his new show coming out?

I think the PC comments refer to the “curvy” models and the creepy “trans woman” (who made a whole little inspiring speech to the Indian guy who squealed with delight throughout.) Because we’re all supposed to loooove fat (oops, I mean CURVY) women and trannies.

Is Renee the Muslim woman? I liked her look, the winning look(Tessa?), the guy from Brazil’s look and the guy with the rhyming name’s look(Gary something?)

Sorry, the guy from Columbia, Jhoan, and Garo Sparo...^^^

I didn't mind it, but the shrieking Indian guy can go next.

"Don't worry that's going home right there" is what Nadine said to Cavanagh about Frankie's outfit.

Rude AND wrong

Brandon Maxwell seems like the gayest guy in high school...."winner winner chicken dinner "? Really ?..Ugh.

R114, it was the worst outfit seen in many years.

The Bravo reboot is nothing. They should have left it for dead at Lifetime.

The "Woke" version.

These clothes are hideous.

And who is the deplorable in here and why are you watching this show? Go watch duck dynasty with it all.

I had to laugh at how easy Cavanagh made it for the producers to give her that edit. She just kept playing right into their hands with every comment up until her last line. I hope the designers were just off their game in the first episode because the average look seemed substandard.

Yeah, the show itself looks better, with a bigger budget and production values, but the clothes were almost uniformly awful.

Is it all filmed in Brooklyn?

I think it has been for years, except for the obligatory Mood visits.

New, brighter sets, longer sew time but not much improvement otherwise. Brandon Maxwell tries to be Kors and he was off putting for some reason, the other woman (editor of Teen Vogue) was better but twice said she'd wear someone's garment. Karlie Kloss speaks too fast. That was one thing about Heidi, she speaks slowly and with emphasis when talking to the designers. Sirano seems on par with the other non-Tim-Gunn mentors. First episode so this could all shake out as it continues but I was expecting more of a shake up.

I really loved this new version of PR.

And I disagree about the quality of the designs. I thought that many of them were outstanding.

I think that Renee was absolutely robbed. Tessa's dress with the hanging straps from the back, was just alright. It was nothing special

Frankie most definitely should have gone home instead of Kavenaugh. This is exactly the kind of bullshit which has made the show lose credibility over the years. Anyone with eyes could have seen that Frankie's horrible blue monstrosity deserved to go home, regardless of whether or not Kavenaugh was uptight and bitchy. Her garment was still better than Frankie's.

I thought that the Indian guy Kovid was sweet. He and his boyfriend are cute, and it was nice that he has the trans model. It's a perfect pairing.

However, as far as hotness, I think that Garo and Sebastian (the housekeeper) are the hottest guys. I actually have quite a crush on Sebastian.

[quote]Her garment was still better than Frankie's.

Her outfit was better made, but it literally had no point of a view, it was as generic as generic gets. Cavanaugh recognized that herself, when the person tells her Frankie's outfit is the one going home she replies "At least she tried to do something"

How did Karlie Kushner get this job? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Her name is Karlie Kushner-Trump, R126.

Get it straight.

I live in Nashville & we have a local noon show on one of the channels.

Cavanaugh was one of the guests yesterday. She came off so entitled & imperious. She was name dropping all the famous women she's dressed for the red carpets.

It was an immediate dislike for me. Seeing her Auf's last night was a delight.

R125 That was an insightful comment on her part which makes me wonder if she was deliberately trying to play it safe for the first few episodes and totally misjudged it. If she had picked another colour she might have managed to go under the judge's radar this week.

However sloppily it was made, I still found Frankie's strips more intriguing than Cavanaugh's nothing of a design. There was a freshness to it. Also, we're rid of the witch in the first episode already. I really don't need someone like her ruining the entire season, talent or no talent.

Like r124, I find the Colombian guy and Garo insanely attractive, thought I still can't quite tell them apart. Oh, to be caught in that sandwich, with Kapur giggling and cheering us on in the corner...

[quote] I find the Colombian guy and Garo insanely attractive, thought I still can't quite tell them apart.

"The Colombian guy" is named Sebastian. Sebastian Grey, oddly.

I have a feeling that most of these peoples' names are made up. Sebastian Grey, Garo Sparo, Hester Sunshine. Yeah, right.

She's married to Josh Kushner, R 127. Get it straight.

Karlie explained to Andy Cohen that even though Frankie’s outfit was a mess, it expressed a POV and creativity which is why she stayed and the blonde was sent home.

Karlie may have connections but she’s also a top fashion model with ten years of experience. So she isn’t just a nepotism hire. At least they didn’t hire a Kardashian to host the show.

Christian knows that “there’s no crying in fashion” which is why he doesn’t dry any tears. I appreciate his “Get it together or get out” approach to being a mentor.

Tim started hugging the designers because Lifetime loved that sappy shit. But it's just not how real life works. Do [italic]your[/italic] coworkers huddle around you and console you and hug you when you're feeling stressed?

I spot a MTF in the bottom row

R134

Tim is a very warm person but that's not why he's superior to CS in my opinion. Tim gives actual critique guides them to think about the challenge & a different direction.

CS offered none of that. He's more suited to be a judge than the mentor.

Shit! We would actually see Tim examine the fabric & design. CS just seemed to amble around.

The TLo recap. Them doing recaps of Project Runway again takes me back.

R108, Frankie stayed because she's FAT.

I hated Brandon Maxwell but not as much as the abysmal Karlie Kloss. She talks like a fun teenage girl.

R 138, and a black female.

That cottage cheese ass in that monstrosity of straps is all the argument needed against plus sized models.. yikes!....can’t be unseen...

[quote] Tim is a very warm person but that's not why he's superior to CS in my opinion. Tim gives actual critique guides them to think about the challenge & a different direction. CS offered none of that. He's more suited to be a judge than the mentor.

I agree 100%, R136!

Christian was just wandering around the workroom, looking lost. He was like, "does anyone need help? does anyone need help?" Hello! He should be there OFFERING a critique, and not asking if anyone WANTS one.

The reason Tim was a better mentor is because 1) He's an actual teacher. So he actually talks about technique. 2) He has years and YEARS of experience. And 3) Tim guided them along, and didn't tell them what to do. These are all qualities of a good mentor.

Christian should have taken the initiative and gone from one designer to the other in a systematic fashion, that's correct. But it's the first episode so let's cut him some slack. Pedagogical and mentorship skills take time to develop. Also, those critiques can be super annoying when you interrupt someone who's hard at work.

When it comes to Tim... let's be real for a moment. He's not a designer and never has been. He's also a bit long in the tooth to know what's in right now. Yes, he can offer perfectly usable technical critiques that pertain to taste and proportions, but to offer advice that's going to be helpful beyond the challenge at hand, in the fashion business, you need someone who's in the thick of it [italic]right now.[/italic] It's like receiving a lecture about the publishing business from someone who's never actually worked in the publishing trenches. It can be done (been there) but it's just not the optimal thing to offer to people. Why not go that extra mile if you can?

I really fail to grasp how people find Tim a better mentor than a designer currently at the top of his game.

R143

What a stupid post. Just because someone's older doesn't mean they aren't up on the latest trends. He is in the fashion business. He could discuss it from a historical perspective as well as what's happening now or what trends are leaning for in the future.

I guarantee you every person in that room would rather have Christian there than Tim Gunn. I like Tim, but it's the simple truth. Siriano is who they all are trying to become, those designers want to learn from him.

Are you beating up on Christian because he’s openly gay and successful? Because there’s only been one episode and these were his first on-camera moments. Was he nervous? Did they trim his scenes in order to give more air time to the Indian Guy, Frankie, the trans model, etc.?

Tim Gunn, as a trained teacher, is a “mentor” for a living. He has years of experience that Christian doesn’t have.

Oh well, let’s all just hate Christian too, I guess.

[quote] Siriano is who they all are trying to become, those designers want to learn from him.

I thought that they were trying to "become" THEMSELVES. Not a Christian Siriano clone.

I thought that design was about expressing YOUR OWN point of view, and not someone else's?

You sound dumb.

[quote] Are you beating up on Christian because he’s openly gay and successful?

You mean by choosing another openly gay and successful man (Tim Gunn) over him?

This has to be one of the most moronic statements I've ever read on Datalonge. And it REEKS of misdirected victimhood.

Gunn was more nuanced, but less specific. He made for a good foil to the uppity fashion archetype, and offered calmness in the face of high stakes competition.

Christian is more precise, to the point and less warm and fuzzy. But he still gets the job done and is entitled to put his own spin on the role. But I agree with the comment upthread that his strength is in his expertise on current fashion, and the fact that he is likable.

I wonder if they tried to keep just Tim, but he decided to stick with Heide. However much money he wanted would be worth it. She, on the other hand—no great loss.

The show is trying to be so diverse. How about having a straight male instead of that abortion Kushner? That would be revolutionary. Imagine that - a straight man amongst a sea of queens.

[quote] The show is trying to be so diverse

I'm perplexed by this statement.

"Diverse," as opposed to? Exactly what kind of show would you like to watch? The Hitler Youth designers, who are all blond haired and blue eyed?

No, fool. The show is trying to be diverse. That's a fact. But, they got a Heidi " clone" to be the host. If they wanted to be diverse, then they should go all the way.

Ivanka rooting on her sis....

*shiver*

R149

Yes they approached Tim but he refused. He said he & Heidi are a packaged deal. That's why he wouldn't be the mentor for Project Runway All Stars.

I appreciate Tim's loyalty to Heidi.

She put him on the map.

Someone's already crying in the first episode, give me a break. The rest was rather boring.

The days of "It's a motherfucking walk-off!" and "I don't care if you cry and cut. But you better cry and cut." are sadly gone.

Hester is trying way too hard to be a character. Her design aesthetic seems to be "Lisa Frank vomiting in a Hot Topic".

Why didn’t they want Heidi?

Everybody likes some more complicated mystery, like most things, it was just about money.

Bravo wasn't willing to pay Gunn and Klum's hefty salary, so they went to Amazon who would pay them.

[quote]During a recent conference, Gunn revealed Bravo offered both him and Klum a nearly 60% lower salary for season 17 of Project Runway. So now, Gunn and Klum are developing a new series for Amazon.

[quote]Frankie stayed because she's FAT.

[quote]R138, and a black female.

So R140, according to your logic, I guess Tessa only won because she's white? Because a lot of people on this board seemed to feel Renee was robbed. We could all play the race card to rationalize an outcome we disagree with.

They should have just paid up. It’s not the same without them. Nina and Cristian are the only OG’s.

It’s still watchable but would have been much better with them.

I liked the turban lady with round glasses garment. The rest was meh or less. But I sort of like Brandon Maxwell. "Winner winner chicken dinner!"

Must we take sides? I liked Tim and I like Christian. I think the earlier poster was right in that it may take a few episodes for him to feel more comfortable. I miss his sense of humor from his winning season and I'm hoping it will return.

And can I address the elephant in the room? Did nobody want Zac Posen? I miss his creepy Eddie Munster suits.

[Quote]And can I address the elephant in the room? Did nobody want Zac Posen?

Does this need to asked?

[quote]CS offered none of that. He's more suited to be a judge than the mentor.

Christian has insights but they remain in his brain for himself to actualize; he has no ability (yet?) to get those insights into another person’s brain without speaking in results.

Tim was able to speak to the source of creativity as well as the particular designer’s aesthetic and voice. Christian offers options which, if the game is properly played, is a big no-no.

During, I think Frankie’s critique, he didn’t stop at advising to construct a simpler short due to time constraints, he actually told her to do something specific to the waistband - that’s not his place to say, and it can be argued he gave one contestant an unfair advantage by doing so.

Christian is brilliant at designing and instantly sees what is necessary to ‘make it work’, but his job is to coax the designer to see that for themselves.

Mentoring without puppeteering is its own unique talent that leans on experience, yes, but takes a certain way of seeing not just things, but others and their approach to the task, themselves, and everything outside of themselves.

I'm an instant fan of Garo Sparo. His introductory look and his look for the challenge were excellent. ...and he's gorgeous and warmhearted. His real last name is longer and Italian. "Garo Sparo" is his brand. I hope he goes far, for all of the above reasons.

Has Tim Gunn had sex yet?

I HATED the feather dress, but I love that the guy is an accountant at a bank and this is his big shot at fame

Tim was an excellent mentor in earlier seasons, but he became messy and unprofessional towards the end. He often showed up for work with bandages on his face after falling down drunk in his apartment. He also developed creepy romantic attachments to a few male designers, like that Indian guy, who Tim attacked when he showed no interest in Tim's flirting. I think Tim fell in love with a few of the men.

R170

GMAFB!

R170 is still going on and on about Swampnil.

Get over it, already!

The episode bored me. I saw their designs on the Bravo Instagram before I watched, and almost all of them were really poor. Surprisingly poor designs.

I resent that Bravo hired a Kushner, too. People say that Jared’s brother has nothing to do with him, but the two of them just bought a shitload of apartment buildings together in the DC metro area. Any income received by either goes into the Kushner investment portfolio that funds their criminal empire. All of them are corrupt.

The only thing I will say is that when I look at the Kushner hostess, all I can see is Bjork, which is interesting to me because Bjork is Icelandic but has always looked Asian to me. I looked up the Kushner woman and it turns out she is Scandinavian, too—Danish—and so Bjork seems like less of an anomaly, despite her epicanthic folds.

Tim's "mentoring" for the past several seasons on Lifetime has consisted of hugging and talking about feelings. Christian is a nice change from that, in that he came in, talked about clothes, and didn't show up for the judging.

Karlie Kloss is married to a Kushner. If you watch this, you are supporting evil. Have fun with that.

Were Kushners always evil? I thought Ivanka brought that into their lives.

Do you really know nothing about Josh and Jared's father r176? Educate yourself.

Nah, I'm not from the US, R177.

The wonderful Kushner family.

People like to say that Jared’s brother is liberal and is appalled by his participation with Trump and with antisemitism.

Jared’s brother is his business partner, and both of them are leveraging his anti-USA efforts for personal profits. This is their recent billion-dollar cash grab together.

This is how the elite in the US operate. Poor brown people go to prison for 10 years to life for marijuana possession or petty theft; these billionaires run scams that actually hurt families, and then maybe go to jail for 18 months after and during which they benefit from ill-gotten profits in the hundreds of millions. 18 months in a resort prison is not a big price to pay for siphoning that much money off the backs of the poor illegally.

Bravo is rewarding the behavior. You can bet your bottom dollar that Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper are cozy with Kushners.

“Charles Kushner is an American real estate developer. He founded Kushner Companies in 1985. In 2005, he was convicted of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering. He served 14 months in federal prison, and resumed his career in real estate after his release.”

By always positioning Jared’s brother as disapproving, progressive and a private family man, the media help the Kushner companies by softening public disapproval. Without saying “but his brother resists!!” there’d be a lot more push back against the Kushner companies. This way, the Kushner demons get their cake (all the exploitation of White House business and networks) and eat it too (profits from their private company via “but Joshua is GOOD!” and Karlie Kloss good PR for the family.

PLEASE! CAN'T WE JUST TALK ABOUT FROCKS?!!

This reminds me of the Eurovision subreddit where people are begging to please focus on the music (it's set in Israel this year). Whether you want to admit it or not, you're financially supporting these people by watching this show. I'll watch the whole season but I'm not kidding myself - I am consciously supporting the Kushner criminal enterprise by doing so. Just like I'm supporting the Saudis and the Ruskies by using an ICE vehicle or anything made of petroleum. We do these trade-offs every single day, we just don't tend to think about them.

Anyway, I hope to see more colour and print from the designers going forward. Any particular reason why nearly everyone went for subdued?

Look who is SO EXCITED to see her sister on Bravo!!!

Sister in Law...how fucking gross! God I hate Ivanka.

Is it really so difficult to find a judge who has some personality? I mean there is Nina and everyone else. I have to fast forward through the cute Indian guy. He is fucking annoying. I agree Renee's outfit was superior and should have won. The black dude who did the feathers is really cute. I liked a lot of the men this first episode. Most of them seem pretty cool.

My first impressions: . I wish Christian was the judge instead of Brandon, and I think Nick Verreos would have been a great mentor. But I will give Christian a chance because he's brand new to this, and it's going to take time for him to get comfortable, and to get to know the designers a little bit.

I'm not going to say they shouldn't have any plus sized models or trans models ever, but couldn't they at least get cute ones?

It's very early, but I was deeply underwhelmed by almost all the designs. Where is the imagination, the fantasy?

I found the Indian queen totally annoying and over the top. And I can't stand adults who dress like toddlers. Is she an adult baby? Yuck! . Frankie is also a bit over the top, but I had to laugh at how excited everyone was when she was safe. Nobody gave a fuck about Cavanaugh, lol (understandably, since she gave off major Reublicunt vibes).

Overall... I didn't love it, but I'll keep watching, at least for now.

The Indian guy fled persecution in his home country while homosexuality was still criminalized, and is now understandably feeling like he can express himself freely. All of you bitching about him better be grateful you'll never have to go through that. And if you're a straight frau, you ought to be doubly ashamed of yourself.

I’ll be live tweeing all season!!!

KKK’s face looks like someone took Taylor Swift’s face, put it in a Cuisinart, and then smooshed it in a vice. I just can’t look at her, and her voice is no better.

I liked Renee’s design. Hester Kookypants is going to get really annoying really fast. Siriano was fine. The new set and workroom were an improvement. It may be a case of general reality competition show burnout.

Just finished it.

Frankie's was hideous. Easily the worst of the night. Michael Kors wouldn't have given a fuck about her stupid tears and would've ripped her a new one for having absolutely no taste.

TBH, this would have been a great episode for a surprise double elimination. All that drama, then BAM. Both the crying mess and the bitch that played it safe get sent packing. Welcome to Project Runway.

Frankie should have gone home. Not only was her look badly constructed, but she looked at a photo of a blue bathing suit and was inspired to create... a blue bathing suit. Where was the creativity?

Cool of Karlie to do her part and fill the Kushner coffers so that Jared, Josh and their criminal dad would have more money to invest in more slum apartments to keep that cash flowing in.

Normally a pretty face is just a pretty face, but Karlie Kloss Kushner is helping to make a real difference in the world!

Frankie’s outfit was by far the worse. Holy hell, who told her that was a good outfit??? Plus all the people who were helping her at the end??? Bullshit.

How the fuck do the designers not know he dimensions of their models??? The two at the bottom both made mistakes because the models were bigger. Don’t they get their sizes when they see who their model will be?

I hated that Kava-nope woman the minute she said she had never designed for a “larger” woman. And deservedly lost because of it.

That Frankie reminded me of that other stupid bitch. Silky whatever from RPDR.

Project Runway has lost its brutality/honesty in favor of social justice. It has been Lifetime-ized...

Renee Hill was the winner. And, what's this about 9 (NINE) kids????

Gorgeous!

Renee's look really set the bar high. It was a stunning look & beautifully styled.

She was miles ahead of everyone else.

And so modest.

Exquisite but I can't get behind her breeding like it's the 50's. Didn't Laura Bennett have around that many kids as well? I find myself judging women for that and I don't feel sorry doing it.

It's a blended family but it's still a lot of kids. Her marriage recently went kaput too.

It really should have been a double elimination, Frankie and that blond, bland, white cunt both needed to go. And yes, Renee really should have been the winner.

R202

You sound like an idiot. IDGAF how many kids she has. I'm just judging her clothes.

This is DL, dear. We judge the whole package here.

[quote]Didn't Laura Bennett have around that many kids as well?

Laura Bennett has 6. She was already a Mom of 5, and she found out she was pregnant again while filming Project Runway.

Here's the full episode for anyone who didn't get to watch it.

Renee Hill reminds me of the contestant Kara Saun who was a contestant on the very first season of PR.

I totally thought they were setting up the villain for the season... especially since she could construct her garment well, despite it being dull. And EVERY quote out of her was so bitchy.

Frankie's bathing suit was a mess. They also said she picked an inappropriate fabric, right from the get go. Another contestant said she wasn't on the same level as the rest of the others, foreshadowing her going home (so I thought). I was surprised she stayed.

I actually liked the "goddess" dress that the trans had on, but that one was just safe. It'll be interesting to see what else he does. They focused on him a lot so perhaps he'll be around for a while.

R208 In a normal season I think she would have been kept on as villian but I suspect that they would have felt that keeping a villian contestant over someone they gave a sympathy edit to would have been too much of a risk in the first episode of their revamped season. For us jaded old Project Runway viewers we know how this show works but newer viewers might have been made upset by the villian edit person making it through.

I felt Cavanagh was a goner as soon I saw that they included the sad story about her dad because at that point it seemed like the producers were milking her for all she's worth right before they let her go.

Now, here's my question: When a contestant is eliminated must they leave the living arrangements and return home?

So I didn't actually watch this for ages - the whole time it was on Lifetime. Drag Race had enough of the PR element in it to keep me happy too I guess. I didn't see the changes, but Tom and Lorenzo wrote a long thing about it that seems to go in line with the comments here.

Btw, the fact she was named Cavanagh was pretty funny. How can you be such a cunt like that on these shows and not realize people are going to hate you? The last time I remember a "snobby" sort of contestant - it was the one who said "upholstery fabric? Oh my. I only use higher quality fabrics..." and it was just his silly persona of being very special... but not a total bitch. Most people seemed to like him, and I thought he was entertaining (malan breton). This girl was just pure bitch. The only reason to cast her was to either let them have a villain or to kick her off.

Regarding the Kushners. They are such materialistic douchebags that for them conservative and liberal are just business markets and business opportunities they use to make money off. These people don't believe in any kind of moral values. They believe in making money no matter what. They work different demographics to make more money for their company (or combined portofolio) instead of competing against each other fighting over "market share" by working the same group of customers / business people.

Regarding the BRAVO reboot of Project Runway. So far I just don't like it. Heidi had charm and was fun. Karlie is just fake. CS has no screen presence. There is no real authority or confidence in his mannerism. He's just around like some extra who is just walking into the set by accident and comes up with timid dialogue on the fly. However I do like the diverse casting and at first I like Karlie appreciating being on the show, but as soon it was obvious that she's completely over her head it became uncomfortable to watch her and, according to the preview, she's not around for long since she wasn't in any of the scenes of the "this season on PR" preview. Kapor is a bit much, or extra, but he does have a compelling backstory. I am a bit shocked that the show got rid of Cavenaugh right away. She was such a character you would love to hate. They should've put Frankie out of her misery who is clearly out of her element.

{quote] at first I like Karlie appreciating being on the show,

I am sorry, I meant Frankie.

Does anyone watch Project Runway All Stars? I am still flabbergasted by how much they fucked up the recent challenge.

They're down to the final 5 and they have all won in previous seasons so these should not be idiots.

They were tasked with making a high end gown fit for a "royal ball?. They were given a larger than average dollar about for Mood.

Holy Shit! Every single one of them should've gone home.

R210 On reality competition shows the eliminated get moved out right away and usually they go to a different hotel or different section of the hotel for up to two weeks or sometimes until shooting is over. The footage I've seen of eliminated areas are hilarious because they all look so dejected. Producers do this to make it unclear what order people were eliminated in and so they can easily call back eliminated contestants for episodes or for those challenges where they get a chance to compete again. Since rules limit the amount of exposure contestants have to the outside world it's like being in limbo. On some competitions eliminated contestants are allowed to use that time to study but on Project Runway the rule used to be that you couldn't have any fashion related learning materials. I don't know if they have changed that rule.

There was an old episode of Project Runway that made me think they also make their eliminated contestants stay but I don't have any direct backstage knowledge of Project Runway. I just know how other reality shows work.

R214 Here is a thread about All stars I haven't watched that season yet but your comment makes me want to.

I read somewhere that the eliminated designers are kept in the same hotel/apt space but totally isolated from the ones still in competition. They are sent on sightseeing tours so they're not just staring at the walls. Sometimes they're brought back as helpers for a challenge or to replace someone that had to drop out. Filming the entire show lasts for a month I think.

On "Top Chef" the eliminated are kept around, and if there is a challenge where they are cooking for the public all of them come out and cook, too, so that people can't say later, "I went to this event and the six left were..."

[quote] Now, here's my question: When a contestant is eliminated must they leave the living arrangements and return home?

No, they are kept around and a couple of them return sometimes to help out in one of the final challenges.

Her in-laws sound nice.

R219, that article actually made me like Kloss.

I’m actually looking forward to this next episode after not being able to get into it for a while. I think it helps that I watched it from the first episode this time. Now I’m invested.

The eliminated contestants are usually sequestered until the show finishes taping. That way there can be no spoilers from people spotting them back in their hometowns. Project runway is taped and not live.... so they don't want to give away he gets kicked out and in what order.

When the opening looks came out (the ones they made at home), there was some that I really liked but I can't seem to find pics of them anywhere.

I guess their idea of a reboot was to be really cringey and try hard with the #Woke shit.

Half the episode was basically a penis measuring contest of who was the most victimized in their life. I want to root for someone because they have talent, not because they have the worst sob story.

The Lifetime season is better.

When can we expect to see the designers make gowns for the Countess LuAnn's next cabaret? How about a SkinnyGirl tie -in? New server outfits for Vanderpump? Gowns for the Giudice girls?

New episode tonight.

It looks interesting, like a hybrid of SyFy's Face Off meets Project Runway.

I love futuristic shit.

Haven't seen the preview but that sounds exciting, r226. It's a shame it overlaps with Drag Race and Star Trek: Discovery as well. Priorities...

Watching last weeks runway now, and the top three, to me, were Renee, Garo Sparo, and Sebastian...

Project Runway comes on at 8pm r227, Drag Race at 9pm.

I distinctly recall a slight overlap towards the end because I had to juggle between the two last week.

Renee's "turbans" are awesome. What's the exact term for them, again?

So Huck looks nice...

Should Christian be questioning their fabric choice at Mood? Did Tim do that? I've only watched a few seasons of PR, so I'm not sure how involved the mentor was in the fabric shopping.

He asked Hester like four times about her blue tulle. Seemed weird.

What’s up with Christian’s hair? I don’t like him as a mentor. He should’ve been the designer judge.

Simon Huck? The last time I saw him on TV, he was a junior PR flunkie chasing around behind Kardashian. Who is funding his new career in fashion?

[quote]Should Christian be questioning their fabric choice at Mood?

To me he should. So much of how the final look is going to be rests with the choice of fabric, I swear some designers have lost the challenge at mood. Isn't that part of the job of their mentor?

Ugh why is it an hour and a half? Way too long...

Hester needs to gooo. But it'll probably be the Samoan guy.

The Samoan guy called his wife in the beginning so he's probably a goner.

Tessa's voice is a bit shrill but she talks sense.

Who is gay?

Indian Guy...who else? The Samoan guy is straight.

Sparo Garo? Sebastian (wears a wedding ring)? The AA guys?

The AA guys are hardly featured tonight. They're safe for sure.

Is this still Lifetime? Geesh...

Yeah, 90 minutes is way too long for an episode that isn't the premiere or the finale. I'm so bored at this point.

Afa (the Samoan guy) definitely isn't going home tonight. He might even win this challenge.

Chest feathers are gross. All the designs for that group were awful.

Agreed r245 his was great. I also liked Bishme's in the back scales team.

The big puffy duvet looking thing was awful.

Sebastian seems the best designer, the best constructor and the best looking...

"There's no need to cry." - Nina, desperately trying to move away from those Lifetime years.

Kovid pulling “a Blair St Claire” by reacting to criticism on the runway by crying and telling a sob story about his awful childhood, LOL

There’s no crying in baseball! Er...fashion! Seriously,minhate crying.

^ Ugh, I hate crying.

I love watching Nina editorialize on the spot.

karlie has the perfect model body, yall just dont get it, designers love her

Big feet...

I missed the beginning but it seems to me that the group that got saddled with the angel wings on their chests were at a big disadvantage because they were so big and came down so low. Designers had to cover up the bottom part or risk a nip slip.

So glad that Frankie didn't get a redemption edit and that she was sent off.

Sebastian's was the best by far.

I miss Tim Gunn...

Hester looks like a young Betty White

Hester looks like a grown-up Lollipop Guild member.

Betty White is a beauty. This Hester person...should stick with the distracting hats.

It’s a horrible show and we need more white guys.

Hester reminds me of someone famous or some movie/tv character, but I just can't place it. It was bugging me the whole episode. Still haven't figured it out...

R263 Same thing has been bugging me too. Maybe it's Katy Perry from her music video for Chained To The Rhythm?

So happy for Sebastian. His design was simply beautiful and he completely deserved the win. Especially since he also had to help Tessa (not to mention put up with her attitude).

Glad Frankie went home and they didn't prolong our agony to have to endure her horrid designs. Lifetime would have kept her on for the "drama," but thankfully these judges are cutting the dead weight quickly.

Hester should be next. She's very annoying.

The out gays so far are only Kovid and Sebastian. Sebastian was asked in episode one if he was straight, and he said "NO!" His boyfriend is lucky, because he's very handsome. I was actually surprised that Afa is straight, because I didn't think that he was.

Simon Huck is damned hot! Thanks for posting the link to his Instagram.

Probably the weakest link in the show for me right now is the judges. I hate Karlie Kushner-Trump, Brandon is trying way too hard, and that Elaine lady seems like a fucking mega bitch. "There's no bossy, only boss lady." Fuck that shit.

Next week's challenge doesn't look nearly as interesting as this week's.

Karlie Kloss doesn't even register to me. Does she speak? Christian also, very underwhelming.

I was prepared to like Hester because I like her personal style but with people who put SO much effort into their daily look, it doesn't mean they can translate that into designing for others. She can put together a good quirky look though. Unfortunately her chatter makes her annoying. She and the weepy guy will be voted off next.

Needs to go back to being a one hour show.

Does anyone know of a link to the episode? I don't have cable. There seems to be nothing on Youtube

[quote] Should Christian be questioning their fabric choice at Mood?

[quote] To me he should. So much of how the final look is going to be rests with the choice of fabric, I swear some designers have lost the challenge at mood. Isn't that part of the job of their mentor?

Absolutely NOT! That's cheating. A good part of the judging is fabric choice, and that decision should solely rest with the designer, and NOT the mentor. Tim Gunn would never dream of helping a designer choose their fabric.

The final look absolutely rests with the fabric choice, and many designers have indeed lost because of it - for good reason. It speaks to their taste level and their choices as a designer. The mentor should have absolutely NO SAY in deciding the fabric a designer will use.

R268, it seems as though BRAVO is posting the episodes on YouTube.

You may have to wait a day or two before they post it, though.

Here's a link to episode one.

Thank you, R270

[quote]Does anyone know of a link to the episode? I don't have cable

maybe this works (there are probably pop-ups)

Thank you, R272! That works. So what about the pop ups. I'm a beggar and I can't be choosy!

SMOOCHES!

This episode made me cry. A lot of it has to do with all of the stresses of this current political environment and all of the hate that is being generated because of it.

I get the shows objective for diversity. At least in my own mind anyway. I cried because Covad, who is Muslim and gay, still believes so much in his religion that he dutifully does his morning prayers. I loved how that was just accepted in the apartment. The same can be said about Renee Hill who is Muslim herself and how she accepts all who are living with her. I smiled how one of the Black men was wearing a shirt with ducks on it and how comfortable he felt. It made me cry when the White woman was helping Covad fix his tie. And, then Nina spoke to Sebastian in Spanish. That was a tear jerker.

All different backgrounds, colors, and whatever else, that were getting along and who have genuine affection for each other. I know that I'm being silly but this episode just touched me in this way.

Anyway, I really like Renee Hill! I just love her attitude and maturity. She wears 51 quite well.

Kovid is Muslim?! I thought that was a Hindu prayer or something. I think less of him now but then again, I think less of all religious gays.

[quote]I smiled how one of the Black men was wearing a shirt with ducks on it and how comfortable he felt.

Why? What's the meaning of ducks for black people? I agree about the diversity. Although, has this show really ever had a diversity problem? Aside from maybe the very early seasons, but that was ages ago.

R274 thanks for the SJW report. There are too many contestants and the show is way too long. The diversity is also too forced and crammed down everyone’s throats. When Kovid, or whatever his name is, was going on and on about his love and respect for women I was just begging that all the judges would vote the annoyance off. Show him how people really are.

[quote]Show him how people really are.

Like you just did with your post?

Yes!

The New & Improved Project Runway Tackles A Lot More Than Just Clothes

R279 thanks for sharing that. It goes to show me I’m done with the show. I want entertainment not messages.

You can have both, r280.

Show me a message-less piece of entertainment please, thank you.

R282, MTV awaits your presence! Not to mention real housewives, Mama June, and those duck makers.

It’s new, but not necessarily improved, r279...

r283 If you honestly believe there is no message in any of those shows you mentioned, you really need to attend a Sociology 101 class.

Those shows are perpetuating everything that makes America American and I assure you they are as loaded with (alien) messages to me as a foreigner as any of my country's shows would be to you. You're just so accustomed and desensitized to those messages, you don't even register them as such anymore.

So it really is no coincidence that you're bitching only about those messages in this show that make [italic]you[/italic] feel uncomfortable, like diversity.

R285, I think you misread my post...

Christian is doing an absolutely fabulous job.

This was a beautiful dress that Sebastian created.

But, I liked Tessa's entry too!

From r279’s link:

[quote]Armed with a wide range of fashion world expertise, this new crew is dedicated to shaping the show's contestants (not just the eventual winner) for the long haul, and teaching them to create something more than just a garment — be that a legacy, an impact, a new perspective, or all three.

Mary!

Are Christian and his husband still together?

I guess not!

Christian Siriano and Brad Walsh Break Up After 2 Years of Marriage

by ELYSE DUPRE | Tue., Jun. 26, 2018 6:21 AM

Karlie is an incredible runway model but please don't ask her to speak. Her voice which reminds me of Alexis on Schitt's Creek. On that show it's funny as hell...on this one..it's annoying as shit...

It's interesting that they're doing all of the filming in Brooklyn. Manhattan proper is even too expensive for PR.

FYI:

Did you know....

These past Project Runway designers are five of the most successful winners that have come out of the show to take over the fashion world.

1. Christian Siriano. ...

2. Leanne Marshall. ...

3. Chloe Dao. ...

4. Irina Shabayeva. ...

5. Jeffrey Sebelia.

FYI:

Did you know....

The designers of Project Runway aren't paid for appearing on the show. What is surprising: beloved mentor Tim Gunn wasn't actually paid anything for the show's first season, either. And by season two, he was only making $2,500 per episode, according to the New York Daily News.

R294 I noticed that too!! I thought it so odd they were anchored down in Brooklyn instead of the fashion district.

Yeah, r289, but Sebastian made most of it...

Brooklyn is not a part of New York. No one with any refinement should even think of setting foot in Brooklyn. We did once and ended up divorced.

FYI....

Oh, how we miss Michael Kors.

Sebastian's dress was a work of art, intricate .. and moved beautifully on the runway. He also made the bag. He did most of the work on the collection, with helping the others. Good win.

I'm with you, R274. It's very refreshing to see a cast that is reflective of our society. I think that the people who don't like it, are the type who would truly never like or appreciate diversity, if you know what I mean?

[quote] It's interesting that they're doing all of the filming in Brooklyn. Manhattan proper is even too expensive for PR.

I actually think it's a good move.

By filming in Brooklyn AND cutting the salaries of the judges, the show was able to make some nice upgrades to the stage, the workroom, the living quarters, and most of all the winner's prize money.

The winner actually wins $250,000 which is more than Lifetime was awarding.

I really do think that this new version of PR is focusing on rewarding the contestants more, and the highly-paid host/judges, less.

If this is truly the case, then I applaud Nina even more for taking a pay cut in order to benefit the contestants. Mega-rich Heidi was clearly not willing to do so.

It's the sponsor who provides the $250K prize money, not the producers. They announce this at the top of each episode.

Christian and Brad were together forever, at least 10 years, before they got married. Their lives were very intertwined--financially, socially, etc.--so the split couldn't have been simple. Christian has only recently begun to show off his new piece on Instagram. The new guy is a muscly twink, of course. Good for him.

is heidi klum retired?

Her and Tim are doing a show for Amazon dear

R295, Michael Costello has to be in the top group.

When will the Amazon show with Heidi and Tim get released?

[quote] Sebastian's dress was a work of art, intricate .. and moved beautifully on the runway. He also made the bag. He did most of the work on the collection, with helping the others. Good win.

Well said!

Not that it matters regardling the competition but I wonder if Sebastian has experience creating that dress. It just seemed to be a little “too realized” to have derived from a last-minute design idea. I’ll be curious to see if he can continue to dazzle in the coming weeks.

R310, do you think that the designs are all original thoughts and never things that are versions of things they have already made before coming on the show?

Okay, I've only seen the very first season of this show and bits and pieces of it in the following years. I'm more aware about Christian Soriano because of all of the publicity that he gets and his store is located in my neighborhood. I know about Jack Mackenroth because... well... It was from DL that I learned about Wendy Pepper's death. I enjoy reading about the show but I could never really follow it religiously. It had just lost something for me. It might be that no one (very few exceptions) ever became a breakout superstar designer. Of that list above, I'm only familiar with Christian.

But, this reboot has caught my attention for some reason. What I have noticed from reading some of the biographies is that the contestants seem to be much more professionally mature than past contestants. Sebastion, Cavanaugh, and Renee, just to name a few seemed to have already had somewhat of successful careers in the fashion industry. Maybe this makes a difference?

The industry has changed as well. I'm not in the industry, and though it does seem like there are more designers than ever, in theory they have a more direct internet path to launching a collection independently.

Sebastian’s first weeks look was very good as well, r310.

Yes, R314. I don't know how you would get into it but it photographs well!

I'm sorry but I thought Venny Etienne should have been gone after this. It would have been between him and Frankie

AWFUL!

Do you think Ivanka will guest judge during the week when the challenge is to design around host Karlie Kloss Kushner’s monogram?

If she does, everybody needs to boycott.

Yes, so far Sebastian combines creativity and sewing skill and the ability to work fast under ridiculous conditions.

And to think that was in the top, r316

This was really quite good too!

Afa Ah Loo

Hopefully with Frankie gone we won’t have any fatties for models anymore.

Yes, you will R322. Two separate competitions and they also want designers to show/prove that they can design for every size woman and body type.

Yes but obese humans with vaginas are not women. They are cows. We don’t have a project runway for farm animals.

R274 Your intent with your post was sweet but I have to throw cold water on it. Kovid isn't muslim and that was most likely a hindu prayer. I could be wrong and it could be Bhuddist prayer but it really sounded more like a Hindu one to me. The pose he was doing was also different from muslim morning prayers but I didn't really pay much attention to it because nothing about Kovid reads as muslim to me even though I'm south asian. I just watched it again and definitely not a muslim prayer.

Alright, folks! Thanks for the correction. I made a mistake. Renee is Muslim and Kovid is whatever. Anyway, that wasn't the point of my post. Whether it's Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism, or Snap, Crackle, and Pop! I like how all the differences are able to get along.

I don’t want to look at fucking fat women modeling on this show. I see enough fat people every day in real life. Give me a break with this shit.

I thought only fraus and we frau-friendly gays watched this show. So what's with all the extreme fat-shaming posts and the deplorable anti-diversity shit? I don't recall older PR threads on DL being this... [italic]difficult[/italic] before. There have been plenty of non-white people on this show over the years so what's changed now that is causing people to freak out so much?

R328 - SJW freak.

R328 It's just how DL is now.

r329 is exactly what I'm talking about. I've blocked about five posters and more just keep crawling out of the woodwork to proudly announce themselves. It's almost as if Karlie brought a basket of deplorables along with her to this show.

r330 It's a shame. I remember these threads being quite fun years ago. Oh, well.

[quote]I don’t want to look at fucking fat women modeling on this show. I see enough fat people every day in real life. Give me a break with this shit.

Here's a suggestion, R327...

DON'T WATCH THE SHOW!

On Datalounge, we love people who support anti-gay religions but we hate fat people. Got it.

I for one make sure to mention the anti-gay angle every time someone on the show starts with the religious bullshit, be it Islam, evangelical Christianity (because you know the other kinds are usually quiet about their faith), or indeed Hinduism. After all, it was the right-wing Hindus who had been the most powerful players in blocking decriminalization of homosexuality in India for so many years.

Those who hate fat people should watch Shrill on Hulu; it was a real eye-opener for me. Though you'll have to suspend your disbelief and perceive them as people first, which might prove too tall an order for some of you.

That was before the Milo type crowd came r328.

I think it's very good to have a diverse cast with designers from all different backgrounds...but I think it's very annoying and patronizing when they constantly hit you over the head with "look how diverse and inclusive we are!!!" Like, Frankie was just a terrible designer but because of her whole "real women with curves" schtick, she was cast. The trans model is seriously unattractive (come on, Thailand is full of gorgeous ladyboys and they picked that one?). Just give us fucking fashion and fewer sob stories. That's all I want.

Fat women showing too much skin, a tranny that doesn't pass (not that many do), Loonette's obnoxious twin, so many crying messes, and that's just in the first two episodes. Ugh. When is Heidi and Tim's show coming out on Amazon?

And, what is it with you R337? Are you lonely? Do you need people to communicate with? WE GOT YOUR POINT!

Do yourself, (and us), a favor and don't watch the show! The fat people aren't going anywhere and neither are the crying messes. If you miss those "good ole days" then go to YouTube and watch past seasons. SHEESH!

R338, you must have me confused with somebody else. The last comment I made on this thread was a week ago.

Why is there no menswear design and modeling show? Are the design challenges for menswear this limited that you couldn't even do a one per year mini series reality competition show?

I've yet to learn all the designers' names.

I was waiting for the woman with the long dreads to choke out the blue tulle chick.

I would not have been able to keep my anger in check.

I agree r341, you can see how this chick uses her tears to gain sympathy. I was hoping they would be in the bottom, so the lady with dreads could throw her under the bus. The blue tulle chick is just getting started...how much camera time you think she’ll get this season?

[quote] they also want designers to show/prove that they can design for every size woman and body type.

Let's be honest, overweight women don't wear designer clothes. The vast majority of big women are of lower economic status, and have no interest in designer clothing and can't afford it. Why do they keep pushing this nonsense that designers need to design for all shapes and sizes?

Exactly, R343. When will we be seeing "Christian Siriano for Walmart" advertisements?

[quote]Let's be honest, overweight women don't wear designer clothes. The vast majority of big women are of lower economic status, and have no interest in designer clothing and can't afford it.

And, what type of data and where are you pulling from to make such claims?

R345, The Book of Common Sense.

I'm still waiting for the caftan challenge. This seems like a good season for it. How about "design a shent for Ina Garten"?

[quote]I thought that they had that offering already. Wasn't this the datalounge winning design?

Oh yes, lol. I thought that looked like a hospital gown.

Was anyone else repulsed by the body modifications? Is this really the future? Ick.

r350 I was absolutely disgusted and couldn't finish watching the episode. Producers tried to be hip and failed.

90% of r312 belongs on the cutting room floor.

The body modification is so gross.

r350 Same here. How does Huck make money from those monstrosities? Simon Huckster, more like it.

And please don't tell me that's the future of fashion and that I'm just too old to get it because a) I'm not old and b) my taste is impeccable and that shit is straight-up ugly. Seriously, how does he market that? A couple of those pieces can't possibly fetch enough money to be able to sail the Caribbean all the time as he seems to be doing.

I really took a liking to this but I kept wondering where I had seen it before....

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

r355 It's just a deconstructed Bibendum, gurl. And that one's been around since 1894; talk about digging deep for your inspiration.

LOL! I'm not that well-versed in fashion, R357. The only other time that I remember seeing a coat like that was from a photo that showed Diana Ross wearing something similar while she waited for her cue when she was filming "The Wiz" outdoors. It just comes across as a luxurious look to me. However, on Wendy it just looks like an over sized comfort/blanket.

r358 I can't believe that's actually Wendy in that photo. That's so crazy to me.

The body modification episode reminded me of SyFy's Face Off.

After seeing her gorgeous design in E1, I was shocked with what Renee came up with in E2. Group challenges don't make sense. Wish they'd do away with them.

Me too, R361. I was surprised by how badly constructed her design was. But, she was the best of her group! I have this vision that Renee would become the queen of the multi-purpose dress and that would be her niche-especially given her background with all of those kids that she has. Clothing that can go from an office daytime look to a sexy evening look. After her impressive first showing I was looking forward to seeing creations that could be used again and again as a fresh looks.

I think the group exercises are good. You can see how far a person will go for the team before considering their own survival. Renee's team was a mess. As she pointed out, there was no leader and they wasted too much time with Frankie's histronics. Compare that with Sebastian's team where Tessa tool control and had Sebastian basically make her whole entry. It seemed as if it only took him 5 minutes to make that purse but you can see that it really balanced the ensemble and made it pop. Yet, he had no purse for his own submission.

Sebastian's a doll for doing that. Plus it shows the kind of person he is. He's one of the most experienced designers on the show and it looks like he's done it all yet he'll drop what he's doing and produce a handbag for another designer. And Tessa was just sitting there telling him to do this and that like little Miss Diva. I hope he wins.

[quote] I think it's very annoying and patronizing when they constantly hit you over the head with "look how diverse and inclusive we are!!!" Like, Frankie was just a terrible designer but because of her whole "real women with curves" schtick, she was cast.

I think that Frankie being saved had everything to do with that Elaine judge.

She's supremely annoying, and she basically admitted in episode two that she was the one who "pushed hard" to save Frankie, and after seeing Frankie's second design, she just couldn't comment.

That's why big-mouthed judges like Elaine "boss lady" should be fucking over-ruled. She thinks she knows it all, but Frankie proved her to be an idiot.

I hated her "there are no bossy ladies, only boss ladies" line.

Yeah, I know, some idiots consider any woman that asserts herself to be bossy, but there IS such a thing as a woman (or man) being too domineering. There is a line and a person that crosses it is being bossy.

[quote] Let's be honest, overweight women don't wear designer clothes. The vast majority of big women are of lower economic status, and have no interest in designer clothing and can't afford it. Why do they keep pushing this nonsense that designers need to design for all shapes and sizes?

"Every Time Leslie Jones Wears Christian Siriano, Her Look Sells Like Crazy"

A few years ago, Leslie Jones went on Twitter to lament that no one wanted to dress her for the premiere of Ghostbusters. Quickly, Christian Siriano — a designer who has built his reputation and career on dressing all body types — swooped in and offered to dress the Saturday Night Live star in her dream gown, a Pretty Woman-esque off-the-shoulder red stunner.

Turns out, it became a highly coveted look.

“We’ve sold hundreds of that red gown,” Siriano tells PEOPLE when he stopped by our New York offices recently to discuss his support of the checkyoursweat.com campaign.

“Certain celebrities, when they wear clothes, people immediately want it,” says Siriano. “Our wildcard is when we dress Leslie.”

Perhaps it helps that every time the star, 51, wears one of his looks, she declares her love of the shape, fit, silhouette and color on social media. She’s as enthusiastic about her love of Siriano as she is about the Olympics or SNL co-star Colin Jost.

“She’s my hype woman,” says Siriano.

That goes for almost every time she’s worn clothes, including the blue jumpsuit to the Emmys in 2016, a blue suit for the Perfect Game 20th Anniversary bash and a white tuxedo mini to the Time 100 Gala in April.

“I just feel amazing,” she cheered on Instagram.

Most recently, she wore an iridescent suit to the Emmys in September. Jones boasted about her look on social media again. “Man I looked good giving @iamreginaking her Emmy!!”

Behind the scenes, it was a stressful moment: He fit her in the look the night before his New York Fashion Week show, at a point when he was incredibly busy. But he did not hesitate to help her — and the look became an instant hit with women who asked to score the shimmery design for themselves.

While Jones is talented at hyping the designer, the clothes themselves are what really speak to people, he notes.

“I think people really resonate with seeing different people on the runway or different people on the red carpet that look more like them,” he says. “You have to put things in people’s face for them to get it sometimes.”

“I hated when people said, ‘you only make clothes for this certain person.’ I’m like, well that’s just not true,” he continues. “So, you have to put it in their face, and what I’ve been trying to do, so that the customer understands that she can buy any size we have available.” (Siriano carries up to size 28.)

Another thing he’s putting in people’s face: Sweating.

He teamed up with Dermira to launch checkyoursweat.com, a destination to help people to feel better about hyperhidrosis. On the site, he provides tips to deal with sweat when choosing looks.

“This is a real medical condition, and a lot of people struggle with it,” he says. “I’ve dressed so many people, and it can be a really hard thing for people. They won’t wear something, they don’t want to go to an event. I want to say that it’s not this horrible thing that you can’t live your life on.”

The secret, he says, is choosing styles and fabrics that are better suited to potential sweat breakouts, like a pretty print or cotton and linen.

“I remember dressing Angela Bassett and the sweating showed,” he says of Bassett’s yellow cape silk gown for the 2016 Emmy Awards. “I wish I would have known, because I could have guided her in a different direction.”

Ultimately, whether it’s tackling sweat challenges or flaunting your shape, his grand goal is to help women to feel fabulous.

“No matter who you are, you can still have fun with fashion,” he says. “It goes back to my whole idea of supporting all different types of people and trying to make themselves feel great about themselves. We just want to make people feel good.”

And don't forget Christian's Billy Porter "tuxedo gown."

I have really come to appreciate Christian as a designer for diversity, and call it being an SJW if you want, but he's really changing the world of fashion.

Another Christian Siriano design...

He actually puts his money where his mouth is.

On the show Christian Siriano comes off like he's smelling something awful and trying to locate the source that creates that awful smell.

The "all shapes and sizes" idea was probably Christian's.

So stop whining about it.

[quote] Christian Siriano's Message on the Runway: "People Are People"

The designer made his own political statement during his presentation.

If there's one thing we know about Christian Siriano, it's that he's a designer for all people. And for his latest runway show, held at the Plaza Hotel's Grand Ballroom, he made that message clear.

In a sea of shimmery bronze gowns, cut-out velvet dresses and tassel-embellished styles from his rich fall 2017 collection, there was one standout: a black T-shirt that read in white font "People Are People," paired with a pink satin, thigh-high slit skirt. The look, worn by model Jasmine Poulton, received loud cheers from guests attending the show, including Alicia Silverstone, Morena Baccarin, Danielle Brooks, Samira Wiley, Juliette Lewis, Alexa Chung and Coco Rocha.

"I just felt like it was nice to end the show on a little bit of a cleansing idea," Siriano told The Hollywood Reporter backstage post-show. "People are people, we should all be celebrated in our own way. It's very simple. It’s not that hard to do and I think that that's what it was about."

Though the finale was set to Depeche Mode's "People Are People," Siriano said the T-shirt slogan wasn't inspired by the 1984 hit. "But it made sense," he said.

"We were trying to figure out what politically we wanted to say, because I didn't really want to be political," he explained. "[The shirt] is about human rights. It's not about politics, it's about supporting everyone. That’s what I thought was important," he said.

Siriano's husband, Brad Walsh, later tweeted that he was the one who designed the tee, and that 100 percent of proceeds will be donated to the ACLU.

"I love the fact that he knows the importance of representation. He understands that all women should be seen and deserve to be dressed and feel beautiful," Orange Is the New Black star Brooks told The Hollywood Reporter. "I'm grateful that he's allowed me to be his muse for Lane Bryant and the fact that I get to sit first row at his show. I'm just very honored." Siriano collaborated with Lane Bryant on a plus-size collection last year.

Baccarin, who wore Siriano's design for the first time while attending the presentation, told THR that "it's really rare that you have a designer that can combine modernity and also classic style with many silhouettes that work for many women, not just one."

Asked how she's coping with today's political climate, Baccarain noted, "I think it's important for people to check their facts and not just be mean because that doesn't help. We just all have to stay in control and do what helps."

One thing that helps? Finding an escape with fashion, beauty and the arts.

"We're sitting here watching fashion, watching all this beautiful work that we create. You should take yourself out!" Siriano exclaimed. "There’s enough hate going on in the world." Preach.

That quilted thing looks like the Orolay cloak-type puffer. I saw someone wearing one yesterday. Orolay who brought to the world The Amazon Coat that's been a thing this winter.

Yeah, I don't know where that poster got the idea that fat girls don't care about fashion or don't want to feel like princesses too. HELL! There are men who want to be princesses. Refer to R367.

You just have to use more material....

it's good so far. nina will get rid of the other two boring judges at some point. she usually does.

Christian Siriano is great so far. love him!

Mrs. Obama, while not a fat girl, is a BIG girl in the vein of a Leslie Jones. It's clear that she loves fashion and looks great in many outfits. The dress below is the one Brandon Maxwell made for her.

Can the Siriano fan please stop posting the entire text of the articles? I know you've only done two that way so far, but proper form is to provide a brief excerpt and then a link to the rest.

[quote]it's good so far. nina will get rid of the other two boring judges at some point. she usually does.

I like Nina. I'm not very familiar with the fashion industry but in my opinion she doesn't get enough of the recognition that she deserves. I would think that she would be comparable to an Anna Wintour. But, maybe her last name has something to do with it? Or, is it just her personality?

Anyway, I think that PR gives her a platform to be an inspiration to many people especially young Latina girls.

[Quote] I think that PR gives her a platform to be an inspiration to many people especially young Latina girls.

Nina has control the show for a very very long time now.

[quote]Nina has control the show for a very very long time now.

That's very true. But, it is the BRAVO network. How big is that footprint?

[quote]I hated her "there are no bossy ladies, only boss ladies" line.

She's full of shit. You can tell by her superior attitude that she would cuss out any woman who tried to be a boss lady to her. They need to replace her next season.

The thing about using different sized models is that it makes it about the woman and not the clothes. It’s all well and good when designing for a living, but in a design competition the models should be of a similar frame size so as to fade to the status of mannequin and allow the fashion to the fore. Fashion should be for all, but larger frames often don’t show fashion to its best advantage.

That Brandon Maxwell gown on Michelle Obama is one of the least flattering gowns she has worn.

But thanks for the info on Sirano. I 've never been a big fan of his so I thought he only designed gowns for B list actresses which I assumed he provided for free for the publicity.

I’m watching it on demand. The first ep was awful. If the next couple are that bad, I’m out for good.

[quote]R134 . Do your coworkers huddle around you and console you and hug you when you're feeling stressed?

Yes. But I work in one of our better brothels.

[quote]R146 Tim Gunn, as a trained teacher, is a “mentor” for a living. He has years of experience that Christian doesn’t have.

So why didn’t they just get someone more experienced in that role, instead of CS? Just because someone’s talented doesn’t mean they’re a great communicator, or able to impart or analyze anything. Or be inspirational.

CS seems to lack the “people person” aspect needed for all that.

[quote] The thing about using different sized models is that it makes it about the woman and not the clothes. It’s all well and good when designing for a living, but in a design competition the models should be of a similar frame size so as to fade to the status of mannequin and allow the fashion to the fore.

A TV reality game show needs new twists to stay fresh. Not all shows can stay the same like, say, Jeopardy.

Different sized models is about creating a new image branding for the modeling and fashion industry as much as for the game show format.

[quote] The thing about using different sized models is that it makes it about the woman and not the clothes.

I can see how it could seem confusing or distracting in a competition setting. It's on trend though in a way. A bunch of real designers are making it about the individual by casting celebs and older models. A related article where street cast models of all ages use naturalistic movements and *gasp* make eye contact!

R241- Is Afa a Mormon? He attended BYU & resides in Utah. That may explain the wife & baby. Also, Samoans are antigay. I think he's about as straight as that Samoan from '90 Day Fiance', Asuelu.

The designers weren't even listening to Tim Gunn's advice anymore, because half the time it was wrong. I lost count of the times the judges liked something that Tim hated, and vice-versa.

Siriano is more attuned to what current design tastes are right now since he's actually in the business himself. He's not as good on camera as Tim, but his advice is more useful.

[Quote]Tim Gunn's advice anymore, because half the time it was wrong. I lost count of the times the judges liked something that Tim hated, and vice-versa.

But this will always be the case. Its not a science, it's an opinion. No one can predict every opinion a judge will have.

I appreciate diversity..I think it's great. Just don't fucking pander to me. I find it tiring and insulting. This show panders and assumes we are intolerant idiots. I hate that. I hate Hester too. She looks like a Betsy Johnson wannabe. At least this episode and Rene's win last week showed us there is some real talent here.

Kovid reminds me of a sad Chihuahua

Hester reminds me of a Mary Englebreit teapot:

Link:

Project Runway is flopping hard in the ratings. Though not surprising when you feature 90% PoC cast who were only cast for their HEARTWARMING, TRAGIC and INSPIRING backstories and not ability or talent.

Renee didn’t win...

Don't even bother; you're interfering with their own little angry fantasy world.

The designers are the ugliest group in history. The show needs more like Logan Neitzel.

I lost interest because of the new judges, the loss of Tim and Heidi, the new host and the latest challenge.

Karlie is a terrible host. She is not a star in the way that Heidi was. Even Alyssa Milano was much better as host of All-Stars.

Well one thing they could do is STOP with all the jump cuts and weird angles during the runway. They've given the designers more time to work, give us more time to see the finished garment. By the time the "safes" are dismissed, I've forgotten what their designs looked like; I just know that one or more should have been in the top or bottom. Even flashing a photo of their look each time one is named would be helpful.

It's terrible. The format is too forced. Siriano is not a good mentor. Kloss is not a good host. The two new judges are just bad copies of Michael Kors.

Michael Kors is a bad copy of Michael Kors

I think the show feels fresh and I think it was smart to wash the Lifetime stink off of it and just do some things differently. The show actually feels like it's about fashion again.

[quote] give us more time to see the finished garment.

Good point! I thought that it was only me who felt that the designs were not given enough camera attention and were all quickly passed over.

R404, did we watch the same show? It carries on the Lifetime SJW notion (stink?) of plus sized models. And if you thought keeping that blue strapped bathing suit was about fashion, then you’re nuts....or a public relations hack...

We need more challenges inspired by Yoplait yogurt, Hallmark greeting cards and Red Robin bottomless fries. That's what you call fashion, baby!

[quote]And if you thought keeping that blue strapped bathing suit was about fashion, then you’re nuts....

I think that the judges made a mistake and what they were doing was giving Frankie a chance because she stated that her whole mission was to design for plus-sized women. But, they were woefully disappointed by her skill set. I believe that one judge told her that she couldn't even drape properly. It simply was a blown judgement call that came at the expense of Cavanaugh.

They need designers as talented as Ashley Tipton. I think Ashley would make a great mentor.

How soon til we get the Unconventional Challenge?

Austin Scarlett still remains the best at that challenge.

[quote]Austin Scarlett

Another WHET....

[quote] I think that the judges made a mistake and what they were doing was giving Frankie a chance because she stated that her whole mission was to design for plus-sized women. But, they were woefully disappointed by her skill set.

There was that, but I also think that production was responsible for Frankie screwing up.

She kept going on and on about not knowing her model's measurements until she showed up for her fitting, and they never quite explained that.

It was always my understanding that the designers were given the model's measurements beforehand, but I guess that's not the case. When Frankie's model finally came in, she realized that she had designed the suit too short and too small, and that's why she had to put together a patchwork of sorts, to make up the difference in size between the swimsuit and the model.

In the end, I think that production fucked that one up, and I think that they felt responsible, which is why she was saved. It was also clear that the idiot judge "boss lady" Elaine (by her own admission) "pushed hard" for Frankie to stay, so I think that it was a combination of reasons for why she didn't get booted.

Nevertheless, Cavanagh was fucked over. She designed a perfectly good outfit, and compared to Frankie's, she never should have gone home.

r411 I was just about to ask if he's still alive...

[quote]Nevertheless, Cavanagh was fucked over. She designed a perfectly good outfit, and compared to Frankie's, she never should have gone home.

Yes, she really was. What a shame that you lose because more is expected of you versus the hope of a vision.

[quote]Elaine (by her own admission) "pushed hard" for Frankie to stay,

She did and I understand why. But, that decision exploded in her face.

Elaine Welteroth was the one who told Frankie that the only reason she was cast (and saved in the first episode) for the show was because they wanted her to give them great plus size fashion, but she failed. In a way it was a pretty brutal send off.

R300 - did you catch the double winner re Dmitry? Wonder if the All Stars PR team knows the winner was leaked.

She was out of her league, R415. Frankie was a promise that could not deliver. Even her second submission was awful. Bad design and really bad execution. You almost wondered if the girl was even capable of sewing properly.

R406 I’m not going to get into your damage about plus-sized models. They’re putting plus sized models on the cover of fashion magazines. It’s the latest fad and you are going to have to deal with it. As for Frankie, Tom and Lorenzo put it best. Cavanugh went home because she made a basic, boring dress and they thought Frankie had more in her. She didn’t and they rightly tossed her aside this week. If this were Lifetime, she would still be there.

I thought they would have kept Cavenaugh on for longer, because she made such a great villain with her snotty attitude. The producers were idiots for not keeping her "safe" in the judging part.

R411 Austin Scarlett designs wedding gowns. I loved him on PJ and wish he hadn’t gone home for a bathing suit.

Frankie said something about the model being much taller than the mannequin which suggests she made the mistake of ignoring the measurements and/or thinking her mannequin was customized for her model. Given her performance—what was she doing on the show?

[quote]Given her performance—what was she doing on the show?

They all fell for the promise of designs that would prioritize the plus sized woman.

[quote]Austin Scarlett designs wedding gowns.

And, that's my point. Vera Wang designs wedding gowns. That's how she made her mark anyway. She's an international designer. Austin? Or, maybe he is much more known than I'm aware of.

OH! Isn't this a cute little frock!

A promise is now good enough to get on PR?

The whole show is very mother of the bride.

[quote]I think the show feels fresh and I think it was smart to wash the Lifetime stink off of it and just do some things differently. The show actually feels like it's about fashion again.

I agree. I think it has been a successful update, my problem is the level of skill hasn't quite blown me away. There has been a lot of crappy stuff every runway and very few great pieces. But I guess that is often the case.

“Well one thing they could do is STOP with all the jump cuts and weird angles during the runway. They've given the designers more time to work, give us more time to see the finished garment”

In total agreement. And the shitty music that accompanies the convulsion inducing cuts.

Look at Top Chef. It has remained on Bravo and it has remained a quality production, even when they tried to liven the show up with a few gimmicks. The problem with PR is that when it left Bravo and Magical Elves it seriously went down hill. They lost the connection to the fashion world. They stopped getting top designers and people connected to fashion. These people weren't selling to the Lifetime demo.

The show is now back where it belongs and it has to rebuild itself. It has to get back a lot of people who stopped watching when it went to Lifetime. I have nothing against JCPenney, but it's not high fashion. And they are clearly rebuilding the show through stories and what inspires designers, sort of like the first season. And they also playing heavy into diversity and different body types, which is big in fashion right now.

I'm giving the show a B. Hopefully by the end of the season it will have risen to a B+.

That is a darling frock at R423.

"Were given the model's measurements" , we don't know how detailed they are. Hopefully it's more than bust/waist/hip and height. Should include shoulder-wrist, upper arm circumference, pant rise, inseam, and a dozen more. Frankie had the shoulder-waist measurement wrong on her bathing suit. I think this was on her.

When they went to examine the “bathing suit” and one of the straps came off in their hand, that should’ve sent her home. But no, that wasn’t enough to overcome the pity fest that episode was....how is that new and fresh and un-Lifetime?

R423, yes, it is a darling frock. I think he was better known right after PR, but when my niece got married, one of his dresses made the short list for either the church or the reception dress.

Agreed that is a beautiful dress, r423. Perfectly less is more...

R430 That's what I keep wondering about. I fail to see how this version of Project Runway is actually different. Even the flash sale challenges that kept mentioning as something new would happen occasionally on old project runway. It's annoying that they keep pushing this narrative that this is all new and different when it's not like they think if they repeat it enough that we'll all believe it.

It's sad that apparently they couldn't think of new ways to actually make it different.

It seems like a pretty seamless transition, no pun intended, to the new show.

I agree that Cavanaugh should have stayed a little longer if only to make watching her leave that much sweeter. She and Frankie had essentially the same problem... they measured wrong. But Cavanaugh was such a snobby little bitch with all her talk about single beds in Paris and her cracks about the other designers. I was truly shocked when she turned out to be a fraud who couldn't even cut and sew a decent garment.

[quote]When they went to examine the “bathing suit” and one of the straps came off in their hand, that should’ve sent her home.

BINGO!

Also, what was that when she had like 5 other designers sewing the bathing suit with only minutes til the girl would walk down the runway? That act alone is something that I thought would get her eliminated.

I think they want more tension and drama between designers ala season 1. The whole blue tule thing was ridiculous. I would not let one person spend that much of my money. Then the dress with the arms pinned back? horrible.

Karlie has some wonky facial expressions. Like 'crazy eyes' wonky.

They have to keep Hester around for a bit though because they're short on kooky.

Hester does look interesting in the confessionals. She really takes kooky stage costume look to the next level.

Gotta have a gimmick, if you wanna get ahead...

@R263 Hester is doing a rip off of Helena Bonham Carter, that’s why she seems familiar. Arguably coping Helena’s quirky character in Fight Club.

Here's Hester -- far right.

I was curious so I looked up Hester's Instagram...she's an accessories designer. Most of her photos are selfies wearing her "colorful clown" outfits. Also she was asked to leave Parsons, seems very proud of that, she put it in her PR bio. Don't think she'll be around nore than a week or two.

The person upthread who likened Hester's look as a Betsey Johnson wanna be is so correct.

[quote]Ugh. “...inclusion of plus-size models”

As terrible as it sounds, what kills me about having modelsvof all sizes and shapes is that the creations on the skinny tall ones always end up winning anyway. The judges eyes cannot help themselves

Plus sized models may be a trend, but are they used in haute couture shows?

[quote]The person upthread who likened Hester's look as a Betsey Johnson wanna be is so correct.

I think she worked for Betsey Johnson and they're friends.

[quote]Plus sized models may be a trend, but are they used in haute couture shows?

Yep.

Karl Lagerfeld

Fingers crossed for tonight being the unconventional challenge.

So who will start crying tonight?

Didn’t Lagerfeld say there were too many fatties or some asshole-ish thing like that?

Surprised at R448.

So glad that ridiculous, untalented woman went home. Didn’t she scrap her outfit at the last moment last week? was it twice in a row that she was sewing last minute and everyone helping her out?

I though the back piece team was better than the winning group. That pantsuit with the ruffles? Amazing.

I did love the winning dress, though. Just stunning.

How did Tessa win the first challenge if she doesn’t have sewing skills? And then to boss Sebastian around, telling him to get to work after he just made her garment. What a b......

Dreadlocks lady needs to go. She has an attitude.

It seems very few of these designers have the skills, taste and self confidence for this competition. So far it’s too much of a pity, hug and help fest...

For the poster who was wondering what celebrity Kookie Hester reminds them of...

I’m glad the right kind of drama -which Bravo excelled at - is back. Not the throwing each other under the bus or the boring humdrum creative clashes, but the real source of underlying drama ... havingvto share living quarters. Lifetime seldom took us to the apartments. Bravo brought it back, without it being Real World or Big Brother either.

Kumbaya, r456...

Oooh dreadlock girl (Nadine?) just topped her big model a new one. And her shade addressed the model’s physique and modeling style! She’s officially a cunt.

Talent:

Samoan guy

Sebastian

Renee

Tessa

Looks:

Sebastian

Garo Sbarro (whatever)

Black dude who’s a fan of stylist girl

Girl with long black hair and cheekbones

Great personalities:

Renee

Dark black guy

Black guy who’s a fan of stylist

Sebastian

Samoan guy

Lousy personalities:

Hester the Pester Jester

Dreadlock Bitch on Wheels

Likable, upbeat but annoying Indian Guy

No nonsense in a good way:

Tessa

Dark black guy

Garo Sbarro

Blah:

Gray haired girl

Syrian guy

Chunky black guy

And for some reason, everyone lives Indian Guy, so he must be very positive and only hard on himself. Maybe he gets too much camera time

Holy shit. Kookie girl is totally serving Tammy Brown on runway day.

Sebastian is worlds better than anyone else in the competition.

Bishe (dark black guy) should be in the talent pile too.

But truth be told, the cream is rising to the top early on, and it’s coming from the Colombian coffee, as once again Sebastian sent a stellar design down the runway, perhaps second only to - and i so regret to admit it - Hester the Pester

If anyone could share a streaming link that would be most appreciative.

Nadine continues to rag on her model. I’m glad the judge read her to filth about it.

AND THEN SHE STARTED CUNTING AT THE JUDGES!!!

Way to bury yourself with your words Nadine

Ooh girl. Nadine's tail is on fire and it's catching up with her mouth!

I believe Nadine was the one in the first episode who said "that's the going home look right there" to her neighbor

She's been a jerk from the start.

[quote]Sebastian is worlds better than anyone else in the competition.

He really is. When his looks come out they are just so much more polished and professional looking. It feels like an pro playing in minor league.

Sebastian rules!!

I really don't get Kovid's being up there.

Wrong attitude Nadine!!

Aw that was nice R472. Tks.

OMG Nadine is now reading her fellow designers. “I love you all but I don’t need this shit etc.”

Now I KNOW that even though Nina despises her (rightfully so) they may keep her for drama.

And we may just have a tie up top.

Bye Bitch!!

Nadine girl. We didn't understand your silhouette or your etiquette.

Loved that, after she stomped outta there, Christian just respected Nadine’s space and didn’t even have to ask her to clear her desk - let alone hug her...

If Nadine had kept her mouth shut that other outfit in the bottom 2 would have been the one that went home. She punched her own ticket.

Tight race and I’m glad the judges let the top three know. Sebastian must be feeling pretty good about his second place (and in my opinion I thought his first design which was just safe, deserved to be top three).

They actually don’t go home, don’t they have to hang around until the competition is over?

Nadine was pretty rude about her model. 'She's not walking, she's galloping. I told her not to do that."

She couldn't get over the fact that she got a larger model and it affected her whole time.

All three of Sebastian’s looks should have won

Sebastian has a beautiful smile. Would love to party with him.

A publicists must have already snagged him...

Sebastian Grey Is the Designer to Watch on Season 17 of 'Project Runway'

BY ALLISON CACICH

8 HOURS AGO

Sebastian is clearly a cut above the rest of them

[quote]Nadine was pretty rude about her model. 'She's not walking, she's galloping. I told her not to do that."

I will begrudgingly give Nadine that she isn't wrong, that model is not a great walker. But you realize you are on TV right lady? Insulting your model just makes you look like a cunt.

You could tell Nadine's model was getting mad. Nadine has a bad attitude. You know what's weird? Hester reminded me of Ally Sheedy for a minute or two there. Sebastian is amazing.

I can't stand Hester at all. She seems like such an affected little bitch. However, she doesn't hold a candle to Nadine - Her comments are going to haunt her.

I can't believe I'm saying this but Hester grew on me during this episode and I don't mind her anymore though I still think Sebastian's outfit should have won. Looking forward to the unusual materials challenge next week.

Also I found the way Karlie commented on the garter hilarious because she was the first one to mention it and it just reminded me about the gay rumours about her.

[quote]Nadine - Her comments are going to haunt her.

She doesn’t care. Her sign-off clearly indicated she was not one for this industry.

When you realize that being a model just ain't that easy.

This was AWFUL!

The best part of this episode was how no one bothered to differentiate the word 'print' from the word 'pattern'.

Garro has a very sexy voice.

I rewound the previews 5 times because I was howling at the Syrian designer. He was so freaked out by being among woodland creatures.

I also laughed at Renee saying this was not for her. She was a city girl.

Next week looks fab= the unconventional challenge and the entire gang having to live & work out in the elements.

Is she pregnant?

I kind of liked Nadine's cunty attitude..I think she couldn't handle the stress. I fast forward through the little "adorable" Indian dude. I think Venny is cute as hell for some reason.

Venny is cute

Both Vennt and Seshi or whatever his name is are very hot- Sebastian hot. Too bad Samian guy and Puff black guy aren’t - they’re too fluff.

Ok I should have proof read:

Venny

Samoan guy

Puffy black guy

The attitude on Nadine, and then implying her model was a mare with that "she gallops" comment. I think she got progressively more bitter, seeing other contestants who are old enough to be her kids doing better than her, and also judging her - everyone on that panel except for Nina was relatively young, which might have set her off.

Speaking of judges, that pornstache denim guy with the boots for shoveling crap in the stables is the newest addition to my irrational hatred list. Fuck, I want to inflict homo-on-homo violence on him so bad.

r489 Are lesbians really into garters or something? Do guys find garters sexy on a woman? I've always wondered - what the hell's the function of a garter that's not attached to anything, anyway? Like, what does it do?

I just did not get crazy Hester Sue's outfit. Not sure why they were all gaga over something that looked like Sexy Red Riding Hood Outfit from Party City. Also wasn't a big fan of Kovid's outfit. His draping made the model look blah. I think they had a pity fuck edit this week.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that I don't get the love for Hester's outfit. At all. The print was doing the heavy lifting there because the design was nothing to write home about.

Bishme should have been in the top 3.

His outfit had the WOW factor, and there's a reason the producers used it to open the show. You always start and finish the runway, with the strongest designs.

Mimi is quite a good model. So far, everything she has worn has looked fabulous.

I just watched the whole episode. I think a lot of the bad feeling regarding Nadine had to do with the editing. She said at the top of the show that she missed her family and especially her boys. It seems that the living arrangements had finally gotten to her. She complained about needing a clean kitchen and doing the dishes every night. Uhm... where's the dishwasher? Anyway, she needed to do this competition in order to learn what she didn't like. She shouldn't have done this competition because she just can't cut it.

Frankie would have NEVER made it through this competition.

Somebody should snatch Sebastian now!

[quote]The attitude on Nadine, and then implying her model was a mare with that "she gallops" comment.

Oh, yeah... That really was ugly on Nadine's part.

[quote]I've always wondered - what the hell's the function of a garter that's not attached to anything, anyway? Like, what does it do?

As a stripper, it's very handy in holding my money.

[quote] I think a lot of the bad feeling regarding Nadine had to do with the editing. She said at the top of the show that she missed her family and especially her boys. It seems that the living arrangements had finally gotten to her. She complained about needing a clean kitchen and doing the dishes every night

It's true. The living arrangements are different with this version of PR because in the old days, males and females were separated, and there was no kitchen. They were in smaller living groups of four to six people, which was probably less stressful than living with 16 other people. It must be chaos.

Not only that, but the show is suited to younger people who can handle the pressure. People in their 40's and 50's just have no more patience for living in a dorm-like setting, much less being put under intense competition and time constraints.

I'm not saying that Nadine wouldn't be a bitch normally, but her whole "I'm over it" attitude is perfectly understandable.

However, Renee and the other older lady seem to be handling it well.

[quote]Seshi

Oh god I meant Bishme!

Sebastian is hot as hell. He can come to clean my house.

I want to make sweet love to Sebastian.

But what's his real name?

Jhoan Grey, known to friends as Sebastián

Nadine might miss her family, but she won't be back with them until the show finishes production.

Still can't stand Hester. I'm sure there is more to that Parsons story than she is letting on. You don't get kicked out just for being some unconventional person that needs a little "individual attention" or however she put it. You CAN flunk out if you're not capable of doing the work and you can also get kicked out for certain behavioral problems, but sorry, I'm not buying her "Brilliant, Misunderstood Me vs. The World" bullshit.

I know. AND it’s not that easy to flunk out of a higher education program you were accepted to in the first place. So what happened had to be BIG.

Hester's outfit was "Editorial". No woman could wear that shit on the street, at a party, or at day care. She's gonna be on a rainbow high until she fucks up. She can make costumes, not clothing.

Hester's "conventional Italian restaurant tablecloth" print was horrid. Hated!

[quote]Hester's outfit was "Editorial". No woman could wear that shit on the street, at a party, or at day care.

As a full look it was a lot, but like the judges correctly pointed out, all those individual pieces were very wearable.

I can't wait for Hester to get the boot, but her look did meet the challenge better than any of the others. It was editorial, highlighted a print, and incorporated multiple accessories.

What does "Editorial" mean?

It can photograph well r519, there is enough visual interest that a photographer can create a nice photoshoot for Elle.

Like if you have a nice look but with muted colors and subtle details, it would not be a very editorial look.

[quote]She can make costumes, not clothing.

Maybe that's her calling. But, it is a good question about how a school handles a talent like a Hester or Betsy Johnson, just to name a few quirky designers.

Kovid's garment was bizarre. I thought I must be totally out of the loop to wonder why the judges were going nuts over it.

I didn't get it either but it was very well constructed. It appeared as if everything lined up and matched.

That's why I think that the judges were too harsh on Garo Sparo. I see the point of view that the outfit seemed dated (it reminded me of 60's fashion) but it was a damn good job getting all of those stripes to line up and match.

Garo Sparo designs for Drag Queens. I can see Detox in the outfit and living. He needs to start created for the woman who would buy.

And Kovid put a "gas mask" on his model, which I thought was bizarre. It was a shapeless monstrosity IMO, and plaid just isn't my favorite pattern.

Garo's would have looked really good in black and white.

[quote]I'm not saying that Nadine wouldn't be a bitch normally, but her whole "I'm over it" attitude is perfectly understandable.

It is understandable. As I wrote earlier: "she needed to do this competition in order to learn what she didn't like. She shouldn't have done this competition because she just can't cut it."

What I'm seeing is that it REALLY is a good mix of those who truly have the talent to be designers versus dress makers versus those who just like to sew (Frankie). Sebastian is off the charts but they may be setting him up to be the Kara Saun of this season. EVERYONE just KNEW that Kara Saun was going to win season one. But, she made a fatal mistake and the win went to Jay McCarroll--what happened to him...

Sebastian is EXCELLENT (in my opinion) and what he needs is a year or two working with an established house like a Ralph Lauren, Carolina Herrera, or someone on that level, to give him the business foundation to strike out on his own.

I agree with R524. Garo's look was well constructed. Imagine those leggings in the context of athleisure. They'd be very hip.

[quote]Loved that, after she stomped outta there, Christian just respected Nadine’s space and didn’t even have to ask her to clear her desk - let alone hug her...

He knows better. When a woman says that she is done--ESPECIALLY a Black woman, you leave them alone. You let them be and don't push it. Christian has been around the block.

It is so nice to see this show be about design again with real designers and not reality show contestants looking for camera time. I get why Hester won, but Sebastian's look was everything. And how many of you eldergays totally got where Nadine was coming from. I think some unseen force in the universe turns on a no time for bullshit switch after we all turn 45.

Two criticisms:

1) In theory, I have nothing against plus sized models. But I think the models should all be the same size. What I'm about to say is not nice or okay, but the designers with the plus sized models outfits don't look as good. I think they should either go to a plus sized model challenge or every other week use plus sized models for everyone. And I'm saying this as a one time plus sized man who was always screaming about the clothing selection. I know it's on trend and we're all celebrating curves now, but there is a difference and it shows.

2) This show really doesn't need to be 90 minutes.

[quote]And how many of you eldergays totally got where Nadine was coming from. I think some unseen force in the universe turns on a no time for bullshit switch after we all turn 45.

She has different priorities. These are priorities of which she may not even have realized. She loves and missed her family. She doesn't have the "fire in the belly" to be a top internationally recognized fashion designer. Her demeanor is something that will work quite well on a local level. She'll be fine.

[quote]but the designers with the plus sized models outfits don't look as good.

But, isn't that the challenge? I think one of the reasons for Christian Soriano's success is that he will design and dress any shape woman. Big women, (and men), love fashion and want to be/feel beautiful too. They don't want to feel as if they are an afterthought--A size 18 being fitted for a design that looks great on a size 2,

I have voiced criticism of using various sized models upthread, and think r531’s suggestion of having all the designers use plus sized models for every other week would be much better than what they do now. I disagree with him that the show is all about design now, as I see it as a big crybaby, sob story, kumbaya fest. If they didn’t have the excellent Sebastian, this show would be a design nothingburger...

I didn't get the critique of Garo's design (it wasn't my aesthetic, but someone would wear that, especially as it was impeccably made). We were also a bit WTF at the hyper praise of Hester's design, which was a bit of overkill in a very safe pattern.

But, all in all, ok with the judging this season, and loving y'all, my bitches, for bringing the sharp critique every week. Runway may never truly be glorious again, but these first three weeks have been more fun because of you cranky vipers!

I think that Hester is this season's Kenley Collins.

The way that they're focusing on her so much, I'm guessing that she'll make it to the finale.

Why is everyone covering up their shoes with fabric now?

To the poster who referenced Kara Saun, she turned out to be a cheater and a hypocrite....and Hester’s look was more gimmick than high design. Sebastian’s designs have been the best all three episodes, so I’m sure he’ll somehow be derailed for the sake of reality drama

r537

how was kara saun a cheater?

The donated shoes, and then phony receipts for the shoes

I can definitely see Sebastian being plucked by one of the big design houses after the show finishes. Not only is he talented, he's also humble and kind, all the qualities needed for a blazing success.

Don’t forget good looking, r540...

He also has a catchy designer name: Sebastian Grey.

I think that Sebastian is his real name from his South American heritage, but Could Grey possibly be his married name? I see a wedding band on his finger.

Isn't there a Sebastian Grey design studio that specializes in menswear? He should just go by "Sebastian."

Who was the model that Nina said was so gorgeous?

[quote]I can definitely see Sebastian being plucked by one of the big design houses after the show finishes.

And, I only agree with this because I want him to REALLY learn the business of fashion rather than just the creative aspects of it. 17 seasons of Project Runway and the only breakout star has been Christian Siriano? C'mon now! I don't know how this program and contestants are viewed in the fashion industry but in my mind this is a once in a lifetime opportunity! This Sebastian guy has "IT" and what a story he has to tell! An immigrant housekeeper that becomes a world-renowned name? The potential here!

Afa ranks up near the top. Was surprised to see he has a wife and baby back in Samoa.

Afa’s look last week in the team challenge was good. That down comforter the week before was suspect.

[quote] Who was the model that Nina said was so gorgeous?

She was the African looking model who resembles Alek Wek.

It did take me by surprise that on an all winners season you still got a sob story of one of them struggling financially in a really bad way. How far back was Michelle's win?

[quote]How far back was Michelle's win?

In 2013. 100k after taxes can go surprisingly fast, and making money as a independent designer in fashion is very hard. Why do you think all these previous winners have returned to Runway? They need the money.

HATE Kovid. So annoying.

[quote]Why is everyone covering up their shoes with fabric now?

I was wondering the exact same thing. I guess it's in style, but I don't see anyone walking the streets like that.

It was supposed to be a head to toe editorial print look challenge

Literally?

I've seen them do the last challenge or two as well.

Where can I see the final designs of each episode like r524 has posted? I go to Bravo’s website and can’t seem to find the photos.

R555 The images are in the recap blogs. You gotta click on the episode and at the bottom underneath the heading "Episode Exclusives" there is a link to the recap of the episode. Tom and Lorenzo also have the images on their website.

By the way that she was carrying on morning, noon and night, I get the feeling that we only saw a sliver of Nadine’s stank attitude. She was probably a nightmare.

I loved how Nadine lashed out at Hester and told her to get back to work when Tessa was trying to distract her during the group challenge.

Loved it!

Thank you r556

I loved that too, r558. Both of those gals deserved that and more. Tessa’s win in the first week seems to have brought out her inner bitch, and Hester’s behavior during that challenge was inexcusable, from her insistence at Mood to her begging for fabric that she cut up and didn’t use. I can’t stand either of them...

I'm liking this season more with each episode. Thank god for Sebastian - it's so refreshing to have someone to root for who is both talented and hot AF! They gave Hester a sympathy edit but I'm still not a fan of her as a person. You dress like a toddler and then wonder why people find you and your designs strange? Maybe it's actually just your neurotic, high-strung personality! I did like her outfit better than Kovid's though. Why the hell would anyone wear a mask like that? I've hated everything he's made so far and he needs to tone the "giddy schoolgirl" act way, way down.

I actually liked Garo's outfit, glad he will stick around. At least he has an interesting point of view. I don't know why retro is ok for some designers but an 80s-inspired look is so terrible?

Nadine brought the drama and they didn't keep her around longer than necessary - that's the best kind of villain, in my book.

Finally, about this stylist, Marni...I don't get her personal aesthetic at all, and find her taste suspect. But she seems like a kind and positive person. Did I understand it right that she will visit the workroom for some of the other challenges as well?

[quote]Why the hell would anyone wear a mask like that?

Pollution.

The designers should style their own looks

r562 Except those masks don't do shit against pollution as most polluting particles are so small, they pass easily through the cloth. It's just a placebo thing and they're weird people. When I asked someone familiar with their culture why they wear masks, they said it's because they're sick and they don't want to pass sickness to others out of politeness. Which is obvious bullshit as well, because it would mean half the country is constantly sick.

It's just one of those extra weird cultural idiosyncrasies, like gun worship in the US.

I think some of those masks are effective a removing pollutants..if you've ever been to China or Thailand you kind of understand their delusion. It makes them feel better. However I still hated Kovid's mask and I hate they way he is being featured...it is such a pander to think we will just love Kovid's exuberance!

The challenge was about making an editorial look, not a ready to wear look. That mask was a smart addition.

In Asia people wear masks for either pollution or some scary pandemic like chicken flu. Whether they actually work or not is beside the point when it's more about making the public believe that wearing a mask keeps them save.

[quote] I still hated Kovid's mask and I hate they way he is being featured...it is such a pander to think we will just love Kovid's exuberance!

But, he's so happy! He is happy to live in the USA! He is happy that he is free to be gay! He is happy that he is in a relationship! He is happy to be in NYC! He is happy that he is on Project Runway! He is happy that he is still in the competition! He just SO happy!!!!

BE HAPPY FOR HIM, DAMN IT!!!

Christian said that Beyoncé’s stylist (barf) is going to stick around. So I guess we’ll see more face masks and fanny packs.

Kovid's mask would have worked better visually with some better fitted elastic band or a boning structure (giving it better shape) making it look more professional instead of a flimsy cloth or napkin. But then what can you expect in one day? The idea itself was genius through for an editorial look.

At least the mask drew the eye away from that mess of a garment! I'm still waiting for Kovid to impress. Seriously, it may be "editorial" but would anyone buy that massive plaid atrocity?

Oh yeah, the fanny pack...I forgot about that. So Jazzercise isn't cool now but fucking fanny packs are????

Yeah, the fanny pack, as styling choice, bothered me more than the mask. I was like WTF? Why the hell was this on the accessory wall in the first place? Is Bravo even frau-ier than Lifetime?

Nadine was such an over-the-top cunt I thought I was watching Drag Race. My favorite moment was when she referred to the judges as “them bitches.”

[quote] My favorite moment was when she referred to the judges as “them bitches.”

Well, she wasn't wrong about that.

I agree with poster who said they should be doing their own styling. It’s all part of the look! No help with fabric choices no help with accessories. Those two things determine taste level.

I’m not a fan a Kovid. I’ve said before he looks like a nervous Chihuahua, and I don’t care for his monotone accent.

This thread is almost full already. Are you enjoying giving the Kushner girl ratings and supporting the evil empire?

So, how is this program/competition viewed by the fashion industry? Does anyone know?

[quote]So, how is this program/competition viewed by the fashion industry? Does anyone know?

I suppose it's not good. A dated article, but....

[quote]Former Project Runway contestants always seem to try to distance themselves from the show after they go out into the world on their own. Christian Siriano has been dealing with Project Runway demons for years, and Rami Kashou, who was on the show twice (and most recently ousted on the Project Runway All-Stars season) told us: "But it’s a game show, it’s nothing more to me. It’s produced." And according to fashion industry insiders, if you want a career as a fashion designer, you'd best distance yourself from reality TV fashion, too.

That stylist seems like a nice person but I would have no use for her. Loathe that beyond person so whatever.

She actually shouldn’t be helping them to style, the styling makes or breaks an outfit sometimes and we need to see what the designers‘ aesthetic is.

That picnic outfit was a monstrosity. Sebastian should have won again.

Notice, too, that this is the second designer that goes home because they had a “plus” sized model. The rest need to get a clue that these models are here to stay and that, yes, indeed, you need to work with all types of bodies, like it or not.

The mask was not genius. If it was, it was Marni Senofonte's genius. It was her idea. I'm with R570. It needed more structure. It was too big, it was strangely shaped and not in a good way. Though I thought Kovid used his print very successfully.

Sebastian should have won again. Hester even gave her model one of her dumb hats. It's like they gave it to Hester because they can't have one person so obviously out front this early on.

Yeah, if this were a 100% legit competition based only on the judges' opinion of fashion, it would certainly be theoretically possible for the same person to win week after week right from the start until the end, but you're never going to see that on a show that has a reality show element to it.

And if you don't believe me that there is funny business going on with these shows (not that anyone here is that naive), here is the disclaimer that appears at the end of each episode:

"Winning and elimination decisions were made by the Judges in consultation with the producers. Some elimination decisions were discussed with Bravo."

Yes, every reality show has the same disclaimer.

Amusingly enough for some Project Runway trivia, the two designers who won the most challenges in a season did not win their season.

Both Daniel V and Emilio won 5 episodes each, but lost at Fashion Week.

Oh, yes, everyone does it, 584. Didn't mean to suggest Bravo competition shows were somehow unique in that regard. But people do have to keep in mind that producer influence is a possibility. You can't take these shows too seriously.

Tim Gunn never actually touched the design and gave advice on specifically what to do. This week, that Marni was totally hands on. That's not fair and should be eliminated. Let the designers figure out their own design problems.

R586 I felt the same way about that bit at mood where Christian told Rakan not to use that fabric. Though it didn't really change anything since he decided to buy it anyway.

R587 I agree. Christian also warned that team that they had too much blue, and that it looked too bridesmaid. Still, they purchased blue. At that moment, I thought he was overstepping.

I totally loved Hester's outfit, and I'm glad she won. I still think she is annoying, but she pulled a rabbit out of hat for this challenge.

Christian only won because of producer intervention. During his season, the prom dress challenge should have sent him home but they picked someone else whose dress wasn't nearly as bad.

R547, the comforter was designed by Jamal (the OTHER puffy brown guy), not Afa. So far, he’s been lackluster, while Afa has stood out.

[quote]Tim Gunn never actually touched the design and gave advice on specifically what to do.

Because he couldn't. Tim may have been in that world at one point, but he was a relic. He could not give advice because he didn't know what advice to give. I love me some Tim, but no one who wanted to win ever listened to him. Christian and Marni can actually look at a piece and explain why it's not working because they know what's going on with fashion.

I stopped watching when the show went to Lifetime. I'm glad that they got rid of the model competition aspect from the early seasons since that never made any sense to me. Although it did crack me up when Heidi would say, "This models, also, for you, is a competition for you as well, too!"

I also like that we get to see the judges do an up-close, hands-on inspection of the garments before making their decision. I don't recall them doing that on camera back when Christian was a competitor.

What do we have to do to get hot makeup daddy Scott Patric back on Bravo?

r593 they have been doing that for years on lifetime. They would send the designers away and look at the models up close. I always enjoyed Heidi looking at a shitty job and going "it looks home sewn"

The looking at the designs up close started when Posen came on as a judge. He started doing that which Gunn thought was unfair since the designers were unaware it was happening, so they compromised and made it an official part of the show so the designers would be prepared that it will happen.

Zac was so useless and dull. I'm not exactly a fan of Brandon either, but at least he doesn't put me to sleep. For the last few seasons of Lifetime, I would zone out about halfway through and never finish watching.

R586

You're an idiot & ageist. Just because someone's older doesn't mean they're out of touch. Many of the biggest names in fashion are older than 50.

Age does not keep someone from knowing not only where fashion came from but also where it's going.

Tim's mentor ship role was to either help the designer to calm the fuck down or, for ratings, to doubt himself (and go into a different direction with not much time left). He rarely gave actual advice about which fabric to use and where to use it in the design.

A good mentor gives you "You may not believe in yourself right now, but I believe in you!" or "do you really think this is the right direction to go with this?" "You be you, stand by what you create!", "just be prepared for the judges will have a lot of questions for you (and very likely not like your design)".

New thread.