SKAM France (and other versions if anyone wants to discuss them)

So adorable (with the director, I think?)

I haven't watched any of the new Skams but my partner keeps asking how they deal with the whole Russ bus plot. It's so Norwegian. And sorry, but I like the original and have no interest in these other versions.

I completely understand that, R2. I was convinced I wouldn't like any other version, so paid very little attention to them.

I can't quite explain what made me check out the French one, but it was most likely a picture of Maxence...and then the actual clips drew me in immediately.

I still have no interest in the other versions...for now anyway.

I watched one episode of the Italy one and realized that I didn't really need to watch another version. Skam is one of my favorite TV shows I've seen. (and I'm far from a teen!) Much of that has to do with the kids who play the parts, expecially the two boys who play Even and Isak.

Original is the best and this scene from season 3 which is the best scene. Love it.

I LOVE the original so you are preaching to the choir, don't worry :).

That church scene is a masterpiece, no question.

I read someone on Twitter say it's best to view each version as a different story and that is basically what I am doing. In my mind it's not a competition between the original and the rest...

They are showing a bit more how Elliott is falling for Lucas than the original..

Plus I liked the little touch of Eliott knowing Lucas’ name today.

R5 that is one of the best scenes from the original!

Yes, I agree, R7. It does seem to show more of Eliott's perspective...and - to repeat myself, haha - I think a lot of that is down to how expressive Maxence's eyes are. That is pretty much where most of his side of the story is being told and is quite different from Even. I mean of course it's the director's and writers' choice first of all and it's there in the script but it needed someone who could actually pull that off in the role.

I love French version! I adored Norwegian but Italian and French are closer to the world I grew up in so they strike a chord with me. The piano scene in French version was beautiful.

Two "Evens" met up...cute

how old are you? Adults obsessing over teen shows are so creepy

As long as the actors are adults, I think it's easy to get invested in a sweet story...which this is. I am not watching the entire show.

The french version of the characters are the best looking by quite a margin. The piano scene was especially beautiful.

Havent watched the other versions, so how do they compare to the original? Is France very similar to Italy or Norway?

The storyline is almost the same but I feel like Italian version is a bit lighter.

This was great today

I really liked it. I am glad the storyline is a bit different.

Yes, I am too, R16!

I love the Sunday School version of SKAM.

I am obsessed! Finished watching the Norwegian season and currently obsessed with France.

Couldnt get into Skam Italia tho, dunno why. Tried watching the first 3 eps but they were too boring and didnt feel the chemistry between the leads.

Italian version felt more 'childish', probably due to the fact that the main character was seen spending a lot of fime with his friend, so it was full of typical teenage banter. I do feel though that his best friend was really well written and him encoraging Martino to come out was very sweetly done.

Gorgeous new clip today. I like Axel a lot, but Maxence really is the star here in my view...

Today's clip was basically soft porn. Wonder how they will show the reunion and especially the hotel scene (when they actually have sex), because they have to top this one.

OG Skam is raw and real , and the main reason for that is Isak's actor, Tarjei. Because he was very young himself (just turned 17 I think) when the series was shooting, it really felt like a teenager coming to terms with his sexuality. When you look at the bloopers, it becomes even more obvious, his mannerisms and whimsicality- very real and teenaged.

Skam France is more cinematic, dramatic and intense. Love the cinematography, the chemistry is hot and the whole thing is much more artistic than OG Skam. Also, the Isak character in France- Lucas, is much more confident than Isak. Eliott feels more vulnerable than Even, more open about how he is falling in love than Even was. While in OG Skam, I was never quite sure in the beginning whether Even was just toying with Isak, in France they clearly show Eliott's jealousy and crush on Lucas.

Love both series. Couldnt get into Italia at all tho. Will say this, dunno how the other remakes are going to top OG and France. They cant go hotter than France and OG Skam was truly special in how raw it felt. Tough job ahead.

R23 your right it’s that raw ness that the remakes don’t have. The bloopers are great. I love this bit where Henrik pulls Terjei in for a kiss then tells him they aren’t filming..

R24 Terej and Henrik were perfect in their roles. They seem nice guys based on these bloopers.

I agree with everything you said, R23! Both series have their particular appeal...different but equally fascinating!

Yes, the hotel scene should be great. I am also very curious about the equivalent to the church scene. I have high hopes for how vulnerable Maxence can portray Eliott as.

Speaking of Maxence, it seems he has an (as yet) unreleased movie where he plays a gay/bi role? The information is from Twitter, so I am not sure about the details and accuracy.

I love Axel, but then I like guys with big noses :). I am curious how he will do in future episodes with heartbreak and showing more vulnerability.

R27 Axel is a cutie. Some ppl find a resemblance between him and Chalamet, LOL. Axel is tiny compared to Timmy, he has a bigger nose and blue eyes, but from some angles he does look like Tim.

Maxence has the whole vampire vibe going on.

Axel is definitely cute and doing a really good job!

And yes, Maxence does indeed have a vampire look/vibe, haha!

Cute, haha

Part 1

They are cute!! Maxence's eyes are almost too intense sometimes, haha.

Nonsense R11. I grew up when there were no gay relationships presented in film or television. I was in grad school by the time I saw my first gay kiss on screen (Making Love, 1982). Why shouldn't we celebrate seeing young gay love stories in 2019? Especially when they're as beautifully done as this one is. I don't want to seduce either of the two leads. They're way too young for me (even though the actors are 24 and 20, and therefore older than some of Trump's conquests). The straights have presented teen love stories by the hundreds of thousands since time immemorial. How self-hating do you have to be to denounce enjoying this as is something akin to pedophilia? It's a love story.

Well said, R33!

Cute

Huh, gay men watch skam? I thought it was just teenaged girls. Going by the YouTube comments on the episodes that go posted or ‘best skam moments’ it was genuinely 95% straight girls squeeling at the cuteness (“omg I can’t. I litterly want to die. My little beans are soooo cute!!!!”)

So Maxence is more similar to his character than Axel?

*than Axel is to his

Cute again! Axel really is quite funny as they both said in the video above!

So cute

Haha, yes, that was amazing, R40! I don't really expect something like that from Maxence and Axel (as themselves) but maybe they will surprise us!

R39 They've been bombarding us with content this week, haha. Hope this doesnt mean a hiatus next week!

Really strange how much chemistry was there between Even/Isak and now between Lucas/Eliott, yet I felt nothing between the Italia couple. Dont know if its the writing, the acting or what. I cant pinpoint what exactly is missing, yet it just feels hollow.

Another adorable interview

I love the interviews and they are adorable. But... they are obviously playing up their friendship and physical affection for the cameras and I am not sure how I feel about that.

Axel is so pretty tho, his eyelashes in the last Skam clip... unreal

Yes, it's a bit of fan service, but still cute for now in my view!

I watched the live stream of the screening they had today with the cast, crew and audience and Maxence was so, so nervous, to the extent that he kept forgetting the questions during the Q&A session.

And I just saw this video where he says he had a panic attack before the screening. Axel kept hugging him when he got nervous, so I actually now think it may not be all about fan service and they have actually gotten close and comfortable with each other.

They may not be best friends now, but their connection is not being overplayed either in my view. Axel seems to be quite the comedian and willing to try and distract the audience from Maxence's nerves. It's sweet.

Anyone recorded the full livestream?

I didn't record it but I think you may be able to replay it here

Maybe that's why they said Maxence is closer to his character than Axel.

R48 Thanks! Its also on youtube now.

R49 Ya, Axel is used to performing in front of crowds and is extroverted. Maxence seems shyer, closer to Eliott. That's another significant change from Even actually. Even was a cool guy and didnt show his feelings as obviously as Eliott. Also, Maxence can draw, like Eliott!

You're welcome, R50!

Yes, Maxence does seem closer to his character. I remember reading this tweet below a while back which adds to that feeling. He does seem more sensitive and that is the characteristic he pointed out about Eliott...and I definitely agree that Eliott wears his heart on his sleeve to a far greater extent than Even.

And sorry to go a bit off topic but sometimes I feel like someone who is very emotionally expressive as an actor must also be very sensitive in real life. It is interesting to me that both Maxence and Aron Piper from Elite have anxiety...because I find them similarly convincing, though somehow Aron and Omar give off a far more adult vibe/chemistry.

The clip 1 from episode 6 is a great illustration of how anxiety looks like. I feel like French version is on another level from Italian. It adds so much depth without feeling overpacked and hard to follow.

I agree, R52!

On another note...how cute is this...aww

SKAM Austin is not as bad as I thought it would be.

R53 They are cute, since most men seem to have such a problem with showing affection.

Both are straight, right? Though I did see a tumblr post with Axel saying he "wouldnt have a problem with falling in love with a man". Eh, he still sounds straight. Do they have girlfriends?

Axel had an interview on French radio and the interviewer asked about preparation for the role and he said he had a friend who had made his own coming out prior to filming so he tried to use that as a source of inspiration. It sounded like he himself was straight.

Yes, I think both are straight. That is what Maxence said anyway...when he said they basically wanted to 'jump each other's bones' for the intimate scenes in spite of that fact, haha.

I also love the fact that the money that is going to be paid by fans to meet them at an event in May is all going to two charitable organizations, one fighting homophobia and the other offering autism support. Axel and Maxence were the ones who wanted it that way. Both were uncomfortable about taking fans' money. Good for them.

Maxence's fb is kinda... I mean, its not a very big deal but I dont like when white people make comments referencing East Asian people's eyes. And isnt Paki a slur in Europe? Maxence didnt use it but one his close friends does it seems. Just your typical white bullshit.

Eh well, he seems nice enough, hopefully he has made more POC friends and grown out of that kind of thing.

Do you have examples/screenshots, R59? I tried to check facebook to see what you meant but I hate facebook and got bored quickly, haha.

R60 LOL, nah I didnt bother to take screenshots. Its just one photo with Maxence, 2 other white guys and an East Asian guy. They're all smiling and Maxence says something like how his eyes are smaller than his (East-Asian) friend's. Then one white guy in the photo says something about himself looking like a Paki driver, not sure about the translation, but the slur was definitely used.

I like Maxence and while this isnt a massive thing, its just a little disappointing. Most white people dont mingle enough with POC, so they dont realize how comments like that "others" POCs.

Thanks for clarifying, R61! Yeah, that is the type of thing that requires a bit more awareness and sensitivity but doesn't seem to be mean-spirited (I mean Maxence himself...who knows about the friend)

So, I may have to give the Italian version another, real chance, because I have become fascinated with Rocco Fasano, the Italian Even.

He seems to be quite the modern Renaissance man. And I am now reading he may actually be gay/bi? Any info?

Damn they changed coming-out to best friend scene. This is the one scene I wish the hadn’t touched.

R64 I agree. That was such a disappointment.

R65 I think Yann is pissed he was the last one to know - you can see how he gets gradually pissed when Lucas stars listing people who know. It is still disappointing, if there is one thing we do not have enough it is positive coming out stories.

I found this scene true to life. Lucas says Yann is his best friend. But after Lucas reveals his sexuality, Yann realizes he doesn’t know the real Lucas at all. No wonder he needed time to absorb the news.

R66 Ya I agree completely. The only way they can make this up is by having Yann come to Lucas and apologise profusely, and also explicitly mention that he's sorry for making Lucas' coming out about himself and his hurt feelings. David's response pissed me off. Having your best friend be chill is not"Disneyland".

R63 LOL, I'm sure he is a lovely person, but he has such a punchable face to me! Thats's one of the reasons why I couldnt get into Skam Italy! The Isak character is also too sullen and charmless, but the actor can at least portray multiple emotions. Rocco just kept on grinning all the time and it irritated me. I didnt like the show's aesthetic either and felt absolutely no chemistry between the leads. Rocco did say something like he "has tried a little bit of everything", or something to that effect.

I also think Yann's issue could have been being last to know so to speak, but I do agree that it is a pity they changed the scene but I can see their point as well.

I just watched the whole Niccolo and Martino story and I did enjoy it. Not as much as the original or French, but still it was very Italian and I personally adore all things Italian. The Giovanni character was particularly great to me.

I get what you are saying about Rocco...but I also think he has potential. His Niccolo was interesting and warm and had a certain confidence that worked in spite of having little room to play somehow. I do find him as a person more interesting than as the character, I admit. It would be nice if at least one of the Evens or Isaks were gay or bi in real life. Not a must, but nice.

R69 Yes Giovanni is one of the strongest points in Italian Skam.

Yes the reason Yann left was probably because he was disappointed he was the last to know (obviously they're not gonna make him a mean homophobe) but I mean that's not a good enough reason to storm off when your best buddy just came out to you AND talked about what a rough time he's been having not just with his love life but also his family, stress and not sleeping. Storming off is so childish, way to make it all about yourself when your friend just opened up to you. And regardless of why he left the fact is still that HE LEFT after his friend came out to him so...

Also, I know people are saying this is a "realistic" reaction, and well, that's true. But positive, accepting reactions are just as realistic and sometimes you just want kids to maybe see that instead of the constant talking about what a struggle it is. That's something a lot of people loved about the other versions - the fact that it's comforting and healing. An even though Yann will come around the fact remains that French teens didn't get to see a positive coming out

The actors reacting to Episode 5. They are soooo invested.

It's interesting to watch, R72! Like with the Elite cast watching their last episode.

R66: I think the same, but the truth is Lucas didn't say he is gay to anyone, the people who knew they knew because they were there when he slept with Elliot.

Yann reaction was realistic, but it was the last thing Lucas needed at that moment. He only has the girl gang right now, Elliot show he is not reliable at all, Mika was upset (and he was right to be upset), and Chloe seems on the verge of out him in front of everybody.

Yann reaction was relatistic, but he was the one pressuring Lucas to tell him the truth and he was unable to handle the truth (and for some selfish reasons)

I really liked today's clip with Mika and Manon!

R75 the first clip where Mika is actually likeable..every other one he’s ended up annoying me by the end.

All people complain about Mika, and yes, he is abrassive but he is unapologetically gay, he is not folling girls and he is not playing games, something Elliot and Lucas do (and i hope that at least in Lucas case that's a thing of the past). When he lectured Lucas about Lucas not being that kind of gay he was spot on.

Lucas needed some friends, Elliot is not reliable and Yann failed him big time, and fortunately Manon and Mika were there

Actually, the Italy one was more realistic, particularly with Niccolo having much more serious personality issues and being a far better actor than the Evens or Elliotts either Norway or France. The German one (Druck), Matteo seems sexless, like a Johnny Weir clone. . The original was a good story, but not a great one (something of a fantasy too: Scandinavian parents DO NOT give their children that much freedom). The Italian one is more logical. True, the chemistry in the French one is amazing and the actor who plays Lucas steals the scene every time, so you forget he looks like a lemur (not like a hedgehog). The piano thing actually was in Italy too, but as something Niccolo did, not Martino. SKAM Austin looks almost too stereotypically American. Spain is probably going to be the best, because they have this all figured out.

R78 You are kidding, right? I dont know if it was the directing or acting choice, but Niccolo was downright irritating with his constant smiling. Rocco is the weakest in terms of acting among all the Evens and Isaks.

While Even was a charming, witty, kinda weird, sometimes aloof, cool guy and Eliott is a charming, vulnerable, kinda weird, sweet, hot guy, Niccolo was plain unsettling at times with that Joker grin on his face whenever he was trying to be charming. I felt the chemistry between Niccolo and Martino was already meh and the weird, dark, Riverdale cinematography didnt help either. The chemistry between the Italian boy squad was good though, which Skam France lacks since they wrote their boys to be too abrasive. But Lucas' chemistry with the girl squad is A+.

I know Skam Italia 2 was quite popular when it was airing, but I feel it got the hype it got, at least internationally, because it was the first remake of the most popular Skam season. Skam France's hype has superseded it in every respect, even tho the first 2 seasons were not that great. I guess its the French connection, but many of the CMBYN and Chalamet stan accounts are now Skam France stan accounts, LOL

Niccolo was playing a borderline, not bipolar

I didn't feel like the Italian version's cinematography was particularly dark . I am not familiar with Riverdale though, so may be missing something with that comparison.

And yes, I also found Niccolo to be more unsettling than Even (and Eliott so far but that could change) and I thought that was actually effective. He still seemed sweet as well, so it worked for me...

R72 that is fun to watch their reactions. Especially Axel at the end.. (plus a nice bit early on where someone lifts up his shirt for some reason..!)

How nice R57, gay-baiting yet again

R83: Or it's just male affection. Europeans are not as prude when it comes to physical contact. And frankly, the show is not gay baiting at all, they put their gay character front and center and they show a commitment to tell the story

I agree R84, I think Maxence especially is just very tactile and affectionate and Axel is responding to that. I think what he meant by the comment in R57 is that they got really invested in the roles.

As for Rocco, it seems people speculated that he used to date an American guy who appeared on his Instagram early last year and in 2017, and some think he may now be dating the guy whose waist he's grabbing here. Nothing concrete though.

LOL, so much drama on insta over Maxence posting a pic with his gf! He turned off the comments. Insta stans are crazy!

But... maybe Im being too cynical, but I dont think he was entirely unaware of the reaction it would cause? Because there's no other pics with his gf on insta and he chooses NOW to post a pic with "Miss You"? Probably a pre-emptive measure against those who would ship him with Axel, LOL.

Whats his gf's SM tho?

Haha, I don't know her social media myself, but maybe someone else does. He did however post a picture of woman standing by the water with her back to him or something in a story a couple of weeks ago and I think it coincided with the first kiss clip or something, which also felt like he was making a point, but perhaps it was not intentional.

This morning's clip was really funny! A nice way to break the tension!

I watched Rocco's short film "Shirley and Baby" on Youtube and it was...interesting. But I do admire how fearless he seems to be in his choices. Did any of you watch it?

The new clip with Yann fixing things was really good. It made sense and was not overdone.

Axel continues to impress me with his acting, the relief on his face when Yann mentioned he was his best friend was so well acted.

Axel is very good. All this drama could be a disaster with a less gifted actor but you can feel what he is feeling

Axel is really good! He can both ugly cry and pretty cry, LOL.

I get that Skam France is trying to change things from the original and showing us different reactions, but I still wish they hadnt made this change with the Jonas character. The fact that there was no drama from his friends with Isak's coming out was partly the reason why OG Skam was so refreshing. Yann's "no ambiguity" thing was kinda stupid and too close to "no homo". Showing affection wont make you gay, straight men! I liked Basille's and Arthur's over the top supportive reactions though (except for the gross lesbian porn comment; lesbians are not there for straight men's consumption and Skam France really has to make Basille atone for his grossness).

Skam France is much more dramatic and intense than OG Skam and I understand this whole coming out drama jells with that aspect, but I wish they had let the whole conflict of faced by Isak's character stay as internalized homophobia, rather than this coming out drama.

The belgian one is not so bad so far. Only 4 episodes in.

R93 I agree with you about Yann, Basil & Arthur.

Well, i don't agree, Basil is a typical horny teen. I just don't want a teen show to become a totally politically correct show. I understand they should not give negative messages but if you want something realistic you can't go totall pc because teens are not that way and they make silly things from time to time

R96 Basille is constantly gross and misogynistic. I dont think there has been a single clip where he hasnt said something gross. Someone has to call him out or it does send the whole "boys will be boys" message.

I didnt watch Skam France seasons 1 and 2 because I heard they were direct copies, but I was wondering about Yann's characterisation? Like in OG, Jonas is passionate about social justice issues, so it makes sense how supportive he is of Isak and how he has the best possible reaction to his coming out. Did they skip those aspects with Yann?

Yann's apology was good and I liked that they addressed the gay jokes, but his reaction was still self-centered. Also, I'm sad that we wont get the Isak rating which friend he would sleep with first scene. I dont think "no ambiguity" Yann would be pleased to know he is the first friend Lucas would sleep with.

Haha, Maxence and Axel are really cute with David

Haha, he changed the caption from "Daddy" to "Dad".

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R97: Basille is exactly like a lot of straight boys with the difference he is harmless. His friends and the girls trashed him everytime, it's not like everybody is giving him a pass (apart of the time Lucas outdid him when he put his plan to pretend to be straight)

Niccolo actually reminded me of someone who had a psychotic break I witnessed years ago.

I watched the first 4 eps of Skam Italia before giving up and I guess my main problem was that I never really understood why either of them fell for the other. Niccolo has striking looks which is attractive to many people (not to me) but his constant grin felt like the opposite of charm to me. I can understand sprinkling in hints about his mental disorder, but he seemed such a total weirdo to me that I never understood why Martino would fall for him so completely, beyond the infatuation with good looks. Even was a weirdo too, but he also had coolness and charm in abundance. I just never felt that aspect with Niccolo.

Isak was grumpy but you could feel his innocence and vitality in so many scenes. Like when they are making toasties at Even's house and the iconic Kardamomme line. Then when he can hardly look Even in the eye in the after pre-party scene, you can see how charmed Even is with his shyness and how he is slowly trying to coax him into a kiss. I never understood why Niccolo would fall for Marti in the first place when he seemed so sullen and expressionless. Especially when there was no "saw you first day of school" scene.

Plus, and I apologize for this is entirely subjective, Isak is so cute that I can see Even having a crush on him after seeing him. I have trouble believing that aspect with Niccolo and Martino.

Judgmental bitches.

R104 I sort of agree with this. I wasn't that impressed with the Italian remake either

The latest clip is delicious!

What, this R107?

An ingenious idea to give them paint to play with during the sex scene. It must have made their nakedness, at least to the actors and touching less daunting.

Yes, r108. Reminded me of the scene from the channel 4 show Crashing.

It is nothing like it.

I'm loving this series. And being able to watch the clips in real time is great. Well acted, well written. Learning lots of French too.

Yessssss! When I watch the series I'm looking for a different kind of French......

There they are....'Frenching' again

The first thing I thought of was that scene in Xavier Dolan's J'ai tué ma mère, haha.

While that clip was cute it just didn't really feel like Skam. One of the best things about Skam is imo the realism of it and that's why this didn't really do it for me tbh. Who fucks at school covered in paint, that's a romcom fantasy - nothing wrong with it but just not very Skam. Oh well

Yes to everything you've said R115

I loved it!!!

And people complaining about realism, I get that, but Skam France has always been much more dramatic, intense and cinematic than OG. While I looked at OG as having almost a documentary style, France is clearly a classic romance. And TBH, I like it that way. It would have been impossible to recapture the feeling of OG, given that we roughly know the storyline, and I'm glad they did not try and went a different way.

If you temper your expectations about realism, you might enjoy the scenes more, I think. Even then, they do include a shot of the deserted school plus the windows are one way. It was highly unlikely they could have been caught.

I am curious what French team would do with the trailer for Series 3 - I don't think they had something like Norwegian or Italian versions did?

R117: Well, at least i'm not the only one who had big problems with that scene. If they were painting on a house it would be different, but on the room of their high school, sorry but that didn't work for me at all.

I loved their first scene, it was incredibly romantic, but my problems with this one are way beyond being totally unrealistic, is the fact that Lucas was able to forget Elliott's behaviour so fast. Elliot went from wanting to hold hands in public to ghost Lucas in less than a day. There's something wrong with him and Lucas should not ignore that. I know that at least they are not romanticizyng bullying like Sex education did, but that doesn't make the storyline is being doing well.

On the other hand the reactions from his friends were cute and funny

Yes, I agree. The scene didn't work for me either. Today's was better...and of course the first one was great. Something seemed oddly clinical about yesterday's scene and having watched the Italian Skam since that first French kiss/love scene, I actually find the Italian version warmer in retrospect. Nothing can touch the original of course.

Lucas in SKAM NL is the prettiest one

That was going to be one fucking ugly mural.

How could they do that and not get caught? And where did all the paint go on their bodies?

So who was on top?

Weirdly enough Lucas was on top.

I would expect Lucas to be on top tbh. Btw Axel has a cute ass, Maxence's is a bit flat and disappointing ;)

R122: They were painting when the school was closet, the classes were over (not that it made any sense anyway).

And i agree about the mural, but i hate Jackson Pollock's paintings so it was expected

How do you know that r124? Did I miss something?

What is this top/bottom discourse. WTF? Obviously they did not have penetrative sex, they were just grinding against the wall.

Lucas/Eliott had a conversation before jumping each other, which is more than in OG. Throughout the series, Eliott has been more forthcoming about his emotions than Even ever was till this point. He told him outright that only Lucas matters, nothing else. For a 17 year old, who is madly in love with the person standing in front of him and looking at him like that... obviously they jumped each other, LOL. Eliott is an artist and having sex covered in paint is pretty much the top artistic fantasy, so he fulfilled that, kudos to him.

They were in a deserted school in a room no one could see into. I get that its not the most realistic thing but its not unlikely when you are horny teenagers. Some of you should really give up on your presumptions about how Skam France should be like. Being as raw and realistic as OG is impossible, so I'm glad they took this route.

Also, I watched the Italia scene to compare and it was nice, but seriously guys, the chemistry was... someone mentioned that Italia is more cute than passionate, and I fully agree. Evak and Elu>>>

R121, your post is useless without a photo

[quote] Obviously they did not have penetrative sex, they were just grinding against the wall.

How do you know this??? They could have had sex in bed, which is where they ended up.

The purpose of showing their complete nakedness in that scene was to give the impression that they were going 'all the way' as opposed to their first bed scene where they kept their underwear on.

In the end since Skam France is less realistic than OG, it's not likely they would be specific about the sexual activities Elliott and Lucas engage in. I remember a scene between Even and Isak where one was clear to be giving the other one a blowjob.

Meanwhile this was posted by Skam Spain.

R130 I think in Italian it was even more obvious with the zipper sound being lound (music was turned off just for this moment). I liked that French version showed a bit more body - in all other versions scenes between straight couples were more explicit whilst between boys they were a bit muted.

R131 that’s really well done.. they’ve got the vlogger style to a T.

Not having watched the Spanish version I thought it was the actors video not part of the show when I first saw it.

R130 I thought everyone was discussing the paint scene, not anything offscreen.

Norway was sexy but cute, and even they were clear about Even giving Isak a blowjob as an apology, LOL. France is pretty much the opposite of subtle and they will make sure we know when the boys have anal sex. I dont think even Lucas and Eliott would have penetrative sex on the living room couch, LMAO. And with how fanservice-y France is, think the scene will imply Lucas as the bottom.

R134, I'm not discussing anything off-screen; I'm talking about the scene of the morning after. I hope what you say is true, about France not being subtle, because it seems to me they are playing it very safe. I can't even imagine it, considering how things are going. And yes, Lucas is definitely, the least experienced in the relationship and the bottom.

It's a show to young teenage, they are not going to be very explicit. I don't know the french actors, but the spanish Lucas looks very very young

R136 French actors were 21 and 24 when they shot season 3.

R136 Skam Espana has the youngest looking actors out of all Skams, even compared to OG. On that note, they were fortunate that Tarjei changed so much between season 1 and 3. He looked so young in season 1, the sexy scenes in 3 would have been super uncomfortable if he still looked that young.

Italia has the oldest looking actors in general, I think. Like their Noora and William are super hot, but look more like university students. Most of the Druck and France actors are also older than 18, but they can pass as high schoolers, except for the William actors I feel.

Skam France has been the most explicit so far, which I think was expected because...France. But ya, OG couldnt have been that explicit even if they wanted to be because Tarjei was 17 when they filmed, while Axel was 20.

[quote] It's a show to young teenage, they are not going to be very explicit.

They are when it comes to the straight scenes, I don't see why the gay ones should be any different.

I wonder how Skam France will portray the hotel scene. Because this is supposed to be the hottest / most explicit scene. But with what they already showed with the first morning and the reunion scenes, I'm really curious.

Druck is going with a trans POC Even! Waiting for the tears, LMAO. Jokes aside, kudos to them for going with more representation over viewers. I dont know how popular Druck is generally, but they are most probably not going to get the boost that Skam gets from the Isak season, like France is getting right now (though to be fair France did change quite a bit from OG so it feels new as well).

I dunno if the character will be trans as well (the actor is) but lookswise, he fits with Matteo? Matteo is a very normal looking teenaged boy, so male modelish Even or Eliott wouldnt fit with him anyway. Plus Matteo has a much more pronounced crush on Jonas than any of the Isaks had at this point, and German Even looks kinda like Jonas, so Matteo has a type I guess?

R141 I haven't really watched Druck but that's actually great, having a trans character. And if the character isn't trans, it still sends a good message about trans actors being able to portray cis characters too I guess!

No, in my opinion it's not great at all. They are doing a trans character at the cost of a gay male character. It's like when Skins made Maxxie a lesbian. I'¡m totally ok with a trans character but there are plenty straight characters there to change but they do it with the gay male character.

Anyway, the Druck trans character is a rumour and it's not being confirmed

How is it at the cost of a gay character if he's trans AND gay? (or bi/pan as the other iterations of the character have been)

R143 I agree that the remakes seem to be reserving their greatest changes for the Isak season, dunno why. But as R144 points out, it could be a bi/pan trans man character. The season might get too convoluted though, mental illness plus internalized homophobia plus trans issues!

People who are outraged about this, I dont get why. Just dont watch it if its not your cup of tea! Its not like there arent many other options, LOL

Being a bi/pan trans character makes the season not being at all about the gay character, and frankly it would be way more interesting to make a trans character play on a straight storyline, but that's my opinion

Can you fan girls take this somewhere else?

R147 It's a discussion about one of the versions of Skam so it belongs to this thread. If you don't like it just don't read it the comments

R148 we mean take this whole fucking thread out of Datalounge. Go back to Twitter Tumblr AO3 you fat fuck female festishists.

R149: If you don't like it skip this thread, fucking fascist

R147 R149 Wow, did your dog die or something? So many dumb threads on this site and this is the one which bothers you so much?

Now this scene was lovely

Yes, very bright and realistic. It really reminded me of my high school days in France. We would do the same on every sunny Wednesday afternoon.

Ugh. I’m not buying this couple (Elu) at all. These actors aren’t good enough to make me forget they’re both actually straight. I thought the coming out scenes were great but since the paint thing this story has lost me.

r147 kill yourselfff

I love them, especially Axel! Their dynamic feels so different from Even/Isak though the storyline is the same. Lucas is volatile & bold but insecure while Eliott is sweet yet sassy. Its weird how I cant imagine Lucas/Even or Isak/Eliott fall in love. Lucas would get irritated at Even's mysterious cool guy vibes and Isak & Eliott would have nothing to talk about.

R154 Its sad you feel that way because so many people are enjoying Skam France. Other Skam Evak seasons are Italia and Druck, maybe you would enjoy those more?

No, it's not sad R156. I feel the same way as R154 and it doesn't help when they have so little screen time. For some reason I feel a lack of concentration on the Elu characters, and the focus going on Lucas's friends do not help matters.

R156 I watched the Italian version and liked it. Like another poster here I never warmed to Niccolò, but I loved Martino. And the boy gang was great. Much better than the French, though I liked Yann’s apology scene. I liked the OG series. Both leads were attractive and believable.

Agree r157 about too much focus on the other storylines but I see the reasoning (Elu is normalized and idealized — the one couple that’s lucky in love, except we know that there are problems ahead!)

Not sure yet about Druck. I don’t find Matteo appealing at all.

My problem is not them as couple but the resolution of the whole thing. I loved it when there was drama, they solved everything in a couple of minutes and i just lost interest

there will be more drama no worries ;)

Trust me, draaaaaaaamaaaaa is coming tomorrow :)

I meant its sad in the sense that its always nice to get enjoyment out of something than not. shrug

Skam France is restricted by the OG storyline (at least they could change many scenes this season, apparently in season 1 and 2 they were not allowed to change a single thing), the time limit (I think OG had longer episodes) plus their obligation to include the girl squad (which I actually like, OG had a drastic change in 3 in that regard). I think they are doing a fine job with all those constraints. I dont see how Elliot/Lucas have significantly less screen time than Even/Isak. OG had a lot of slow scenes with stuff like characters typing things which France has cut out, but important scenes are the same.

OG season 3 is pretty much perfect to me but France comes quite close, IMO, mainly thanks to Axel who is outstanding. I like Maxence a lot too but Henrik was the better actor I think.

What's with SKAM Austin not having one Isak/Lucas but dividing it between Tyler and Shay?

Skam Spain just released the trailer for season 2. The Evak story is probably gonna be about a lesbian couple.

R162 yes I agree about Maxence's acting - he is very charming but I have a feeling he basically plays himself. Axel on the other hand nailed the character development with Lucas slowly accepting who he us and opening about it. I am curious about last episodes now.

Yeah. Maxence is pretty but I'm not entirely convinced by his acting.

R164 That's cool. I like that some of these remakes are changing it up a little bit.

It's Maxence's first acting gig. He is an Elite model. But he said several times that he was close to his character in terms of sensitivity and mental issues. The serious scenes start tonight for him.

R166: What i find curious is the need to change the gay storyline but not the rest

Ok, the last clip of Skam France just wrecked me. Axel is really good at showing his emotions.

R168 is that true? I haven't really kept up with all the seasons of all the remakes so...

The original season 3 is so, so good though, might be too intimidating to try to replicate it too closely haha. Overall it sounds like even if they've changed some details in these remakes they're still doing a pretty good job

In the german version the gay love interest is going to be trans, in the Austin version there's no gay and she is a lesbian.

Nothing wrong with that kind of storylines but they could introduce them on one of the straight storylines.

It's like the american version of Skin's they made one change, and you know what, they change the original gay character by a lesbian one.

Luca was a bit camp during the meal in the video, I loved it ;)

They went there; the sex scene is slightly more explicit. I didn't think they would be capable...

Have you seen the clip that comes after this one? Lucille DESTROYED Lucas.

This is the stringest Isak character, both because of acting and writing.

*strongest

R170 Ya, that could be it. OG season 3 is the most popular one and frankly, the most well-made one as well. I guess the remakes feel the need to make it their own.

R171 I dont watch Austin, but apparently there is a male Isak character as well? Besides Shay? Also, I understand the need for trans representation, but I do think this might make Matteo's season too convoluted. Too many issues to focus on, hope the writing does them all justice.

R172 I havent watched Espana except for snippets, but they clearly had different ideas for the Isak character from the casting alone. Like for Isak/Lucas, they are the very opposite of camp and internalized homophobia is a big part of their character development. For Spanish Lucas, it wouldnt be a big shock that he's gay.

R175 Tarjei was amazing though! He might have been playing himself, but his teenaged boy mannerisms were top notch! Axel nails the emotional moments, but he also has more dramatic material.

R177 Yes Tarjei was amazing as well, obviously French team had an advantage of building on an outstanding material. I think the character building is the strongest from all series though - I don't know why but Lucas behaviouur during the 'dinner' on the boat was what stroke me most - it was so well acted, and the contrast with physically restricted guy who's body language was almost nonexistent in the first episodes of the series was so stark.

Sadly I wasn't too impressed with last nights clips of Skam France, especially the last one. It didn't really do anything for me, and I thought it was a bit overacted. Something about it made it seem kinda cheap also. Don't know if it was the directing or editing or what, but...yeah.

So if Maxence is closest to the character her plays, is that code for saying he's bi?

Haha, sadly I doubt it, R180. I think he is referring to Eliott's sensitivity and mental health. I doubt he is bipolar himself but he seems to have pretty severe anxiety and kind of hinted at depression or something along those lines? Not sure though.

R177, yes, Tarjei was absolutely outstanding in season 3. Everything about him was subtle, nothing overacted.

On another note, the Skam Italia cast were hanging out together yesterday...they seem to be a great group.

Tyler in Austin is an over the top bitchy queen. He will be hard to root for because he is simply nasty.

Matteo is hard to root for because he's so negative.

R182: Tyler is the version of french Skam Mika.

And when actors say they are or not like the character they are never talking about the character's sexual orientation. Omar Ayuso (Élite) said he has nothing in common with his character even both are gay

Well, I am really enjoying France, Axel's acting is very good. His voice modulation and the way he uses his breathing, marvelous! Skam France is the only one which comes close to OG, IMO. Might check out Druck if I hear good reviews, the snippets I have seen didnt look too enticing. Matteo looks way too depressed, but if they shake things up a little, it might be interesting.

I was following some skam blogs on tumblr and its funny how salty some of the Italia and Druck stans are about Skam France's success? LMAO. They will try to hide it under a woke facade, like I've lost count about the number of times I've seen 'fetishiser' 'white model Even' and 'transphobic'. I mean, people are shallow and they do want to see pretty boys kissing, cant do a lot to change that. Its not Axel's or Maxence's fault that they fit the shipping criteria more than Italia or Druck.

Come again R184, Oscar Ayuso is gay? And you know this how?

Sorry, I meant Omar Ayuso

R189: Because he said so. He has no filter, he says everything that comes to his mind.

SKAM Austin is a failure due to lack of sexy men!

You know it's true, pigport!

R188: That answer was about 187 and not 189 obviously

Skam france is a success because they are doing it right. They have an original storyline and they are giving it their touch, changing things but not making a totally different story. Axel is a very good actor and both have great chemistry. That always help

Today's clip with Basil speaking with his mouth full so you couldn't understand him without subtitles was ridiculous.

R193 His speech was awesome.

R185 I also noticed the behaviors of Italian fans in Skam France fandom on twitter and tumblr. They have a hard time hiding their jealousy. They pretend to make friends with the French, but as soon as there is a new clip with Axel and Maxence, they need to add Niccolo and Martino in the french characters gifs like right after the french make their Lucas and Eliott gifs. As if to say, "hey, we also exist" Lol. They also have a way of wanting or possessed too much the French people. For example, as soon as the French and the American fans of Skam France discuss and laugh together, they need to embed themselves in a way that is not really subtle. The Germans are more discreets, less jealous and they have a little more dignity than the Italians who tend to be very intrusive in the fandom. Tbh I was not captivated by the Italian version of Skam. I had the misfortune to say it, and they landed by dozens to attack me. They are particularly aggressive. Sorry guys but Rocco does not know how to act. His acting was sometimes ridiculous. Smiling and smiling, was all his acting and he's not even attractive to me. Maxence beats him in the blink of an eye. And Axel too. Druck look more interesting to me. Their season 2 was great. I think i'm gonna watch Skam Spain. The trailer was exciting. Skam Austin look boring but i'm curious about Skam NL.

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R195 I couldn't agree more with you about the Italians fans : too invasive, too intrusive, too JEALOUS ! Needed to be said, thx ! But in general the fandom is the saddest part of the Skam experience. And I think Skam France successful season 3 is pissing a lot of people off and it shows everyday. Didn't like Skam Italia either. I've tried but i dropped out after 4 clips. The lack of chemistry between nicco and martino was a big mistake. And yes Rocco acting was annoying af.

Today Lucas texted Eliott on instagram saying they need to talk. Can't wait for his answer (even if i know we'll not have news from him until Vendredi).

i don't intend to watch other versions - I think that Norwegian is impossible to beat in its naturalness and rawness whilst the French one is superior from prifessional and cinematic POV. These two represent different approach to the script and each achieved perfection. I am not that engaged in the story to see the same plot in 10 language versions ;)

R199 Agreed, Norwegian version is impossible to beat. The whole season 3 was just perfect and magical. Skam france is the only remake that takes the second place after the og. The others aren't even close for now.

R199 Agree completely. Skam France season 3 is intense, which some people like to complain about, but do you really want to see the same plot in the same exact artistic style?

Italia's Isak season was just boring, Nico was weird AF and Martino was either expressionless or quite cheerful. I didnt get any inner conflict from him, while Isak's whole thing was trying to own up to his sexuality and the turmoil in his mind.

Druck seems to be making changes and some Druck fans like to act superior, like its some arthouse indie movie, while Skam France is the blockbuster enemy, LOL. The Isak/Even leads on Druck look like 14 year olds though and I dont want to watch them romance each other. I know the Isak actor on Druck is 17/18 like Tarjei was on OG, but he looks much younger while Tarjei looked old enough that I didnt feel uncomfortable during his sexy scenes. Also, sorry to say, but the Even character does not really pass and the suspension of disbelief is too great.

LOL, WTF was the last clip? I actually like the changes France has been making, including the vodka dance party on sunday and the POV change last week. Today's clip however was dumb, Imane's speech was too heavy handed, why include so much of the girl squad in this important episode, when Lucas is at his most emotional? And Lucas' mother responded in literally 2 seconds?!! Skam France is hurt so much by its time limitations. They have 6 minutes to do the church scene, ya I cant see them doing it justice at this point.

So disappointed with this episode, when I have been loving France till this point.

I haven't watched it yet but in general the actress playing Iman delivers most of her lines like she was playing Winston Churchill delivering a speach - it sounds unnatural and pompous. In contrast the way Basil talked about his mom being bi-polar was really powerful because it did not feel like rbring written in order to be put on nice backround and posted as inspiring meme.

R199 I admit I’ve only watched Norwegian version when it was released and I have no need to look other ones. I’ve watched clips here and they look fine but the original was perfect for me.

For those who don't follow Skam France on Instagram, a couple of days ago Lucas wrote to Eliott saying that he'd like to see him, or talk to him if he'd prefer. Whatever suits him best.. And today, Lucas messaged his friends saying " The mural is all I have left from Eliott." And also that he hasn't heard from Eliott since these messages. And his friends pushed him to go to his place since he is so worried.

R202 I think Imane was overacting, just a little bit. But her speech wasn't that dumb. Not for a teenager. At least the French hired a black and muslim woman actress to play Sana. The Italians are so racist that they took a white actress not even muslim to play Sana. They are the only remake doing that.

I loved the Lucas coming out scene with his mom. The music was amazing. I've cried with Lucas. But here we are, almost the end of Skam France. On friday it will be the church scene and the Eliott-Lucas reunion scene then the final episode will start on saturday. I will miss these mecs !

R206 It's interesting how differently people respond to some of this stuff. I thought the music in that scene was distracting and honestly cheesy.

R207 On the contrary, France doesn't hesitate to choose beautiful piano pieces and in this scene the music effect is just incredible. You can hear the piano rises crescendo as and when Lucas' emotions. Once again, it's very cinematic and full of poetry. I adored it so much ! Beautiful moment.

R208 Nah, I still think it was cheesy and too on the nose.

R209 Yes I felt the same. Good music should enhance emotional connection with characters snd plot but you should not notice it.

Someone is trying too hard here. The music was absolutely fabulously done. It followed Lucas's expectation when he came out to his mother. But do not expect uneducated people to understand anything about cinematography.

R211 Well I see you did not understood a lot from a scene that was supposed to celebrate diversity if you cannot stand people having different opinion about how a scene is directed and expressing it in a respectful way.

R211 Trying too hard? It's just my opinion haha, it's ok if you don't agree. But if calling strangers uneducated because they had a different emotional reaction than you makes you feel better then good for you. I also did not realize we were discussing the cinematography, I understand it all ties together in creating a certain atmosphere, but I thought the focus here was the music. But I'm sure you had your reasons bringing it up seeing as you're so educated😌 I'm kidding. It's really not a big deal, we disagree, who cares?

R211 and R212 = same person. I said you are trying too hard because you were answering to yourself above. As if people were so blind that they couldn't see your game. I'm in DL for months now and i can perfectly see that you were replying twice to yourself. But let's pretend you are so bright and the others are too stupids to not see your game. FYI the cinematography is about a whole scene. The music here is a part of the cinematography. See, you pretend to know but you don't know.. Oh and no need to reply to me pretending you are two different persons. Yes we disagree and i'm saying it again, the music was fabulous whether you like it or not. Have a nice day

If R211=R212 then R212=F214

*R212=R214

R212 yes you're right i meant R12 and R213 obviuosly

*R209 and R210 R212 and R213, R215, R216 = Same person. And I'm R211 and R214 to be clear. The only smart thing you said was that we disagree and no one cares. Sorry OP

What the hell are you on about? I don't know about the other ones but my replies are R207, R209 and R213, that's it.

Also, you're wrong - music in NOT part of cinematography. Cinematography has to do with photography meaning how the film is shot.

I think the person meant that the music enhances the cinematographic experience.

R221 Then that's what they should have said? That person literally said that music is part of the cinematography in their post here R214 and implied more than once that cinematography is about "the whole scene," and then tried to act like I'M "uneducated" for pointing out that music is, in fact, NOT a part of cinematography when they don't even seem to be sure what that term means.

Look, arguing about a teen series with somebody that cannot accept people have different taste is just not worth it ;).

Yeah. It's just that one person who got their panties in a twist when I (and you) said that I didn't enjoy the music in that scene.

I agree that it's not worth arguing over but I also wanted to say something because I really don't appreciate a) that person accusing me of replying to myself when I have done no such thing and b) being called uneducated because they couldn't handle me having a different opinion. And as I've said above, it's also a little ironic that I'M being called uneducated when this person keeps including music in the definition of cinematography...

Yeah people have noticed Skam France has dramatic soap opera tendencies. For a sad scene they’re like- do you understand this is a sad scene? Let’s turn up sad piano music, the character is crying now, more crying and dramatic cuts and more piano of sadness, this is so sad!!

Well what do you guys think will happen for the end of this episode? Seems lots think from church Lucas goes to the tunnel to find Eliott who will be in the dark and Lucas the light, or will use his phone flashing to guide Eliott out and some dialogue about not being scared and not being alone etc?

R225 Yes! One thing I loved about the original Norwegian Skam was that they didn't underestimate their audience. They were counting on the viewers to pick up on all sorts of symbolism throughout the series without spoon-feeding us.

R226 I loved the locker symbolism - especially when Even opened it for him ;)

Well this was disappointing... both the clip with mum (again heavy handed speech which is probably supposed to be inspiring for Lucas) and the scene with Elliott with flashbacks just lacked the drama and emotions of Norwegian one (and this time it was a sermon about church as a refuge during which Lucas is supposed realise where Elliott is). Meh...

Agree r228. For me, the best parts of this season were Lucas struggling to accept his sexuality. I didn’t ever buy into the connection between Lucas and Eliott, at least in comparison with Isak and Even. Maybe better than the Italians though.

R229 I did buy into it and loved the series so far, but the episode 9 was just disappointing.

R227 Yes, and not just the locker but also the clues about Even's mental illness, the film references, the religious symbolism...

And about Skam France - have to agree that this was a bit of a disappointment.

Unlike the majority here, this last sequence just hit me hard, in a good emotional way. The look on Lucas's face and the realization. His mom letting him go without asking any question. The montage with never-seen-before shots from Lucas' POV. And they used one of my favorite songs. Might be my number one sequence of the season along with the piano one. Can't ait for the last episode.

Also, based on Lucille and Lucas' last text messages, we should have a clip between these two tomorrow morning. They are supposed to meet at the a cafe at 9:45.

I admit part of my alergic reaction might be due to Catholic sermon included in the scene.

I see, the troll is keeping talking to herself. Lol so pathetic. whatever, today's clip was a masterpiece. No wonder why skam france is the only remake that reached so many country around the world, and so fast. David was including the music to a part of cinematography in his recent interview on the french radio. And i think that coming from the country who invented cinema, he knows better than some of you here. Lucas running to the love of his life, almost hitting by a car, made me cry. Eliott and lucas my got heart. After the Og, this is definitely the best remake ever. Good luck for the others

Also Skam France is the only remake that made so many views. It's official. So for a so called soap opera, they kicked Italians ass faster than they ever knew it would be. Don't cry, Martino and Nicco never were at the same level than Lucas and Eliott. Deal with it ! Buy angry girl and don't talk to yourself that much, it's not good and everyone can see that <3

*countries

OK morning clip was cool. I like that Lucille was shown from a bit mkre symphatetic POV, after all she was equally invested in Elliottand kept up with him for a couple if years.

R234 R235 You're being ridiculous.

1. No one's talking to themselves. There's more than one poster here who disagrees with you about the show, which is NOT A BIG DEAL. Relax, please, no one's attacking you or saying that you're wrong for having a different opinion. 2. It doesn't really matter what David says about cinematography. There's a definition for that term, and the FACT is that it doesn't include music. 3. It's not a competition. Some remakes get more views than others, and some people prefer one remake to another. It's all good.

And for the record, I agree with you about the Italian version so I'm certainly not "crying" over anything. I like Lucas and Elliott more than Martino and Niccolo, I agree. I never mentioned them though, so I have no idea why you brought them up. I'm also not "angry", more like amused at someone so unable to handle people's different opinions that they have to resort to name-calling and making stuff up.

SKAM Austin is apparently directed by the Norwegian creator of the series.

Martino is way more sympathetic than Isak or Lucas or Matteo.

R239 She directed the first season, but I'm pretty sure she's not there anymore.

R240 Martino was a bitch whole 2nd season.

Sorry I meant 1st season, forgot about different order.

Skam France is in talks for season 5 and 6. The director and writers are meeting the Norwegian creators in a few days.

It's rumoured that Even will be trans in Druck.

This quite a gorgeous photoshoot of Rocco!!

*This is

I cant' stand that Rocco. His smile got quickly on my nerves. Never found him attractive at all, and he's a terrible actor. The worst actor of skam history. Henrik and Maxence are both the most gorgeous and talented Even. And Tarjei and Axel the most gorgeous and talented Isak. That Rocco was the only reason i gave up on skam italia. Also i don't like the way is using Maxence to get the spotlights and the attention, really i can't stand him.

I disagree on all counts, R248. I like him and find him to be the most interesting of all "Evens" so far...as a person. I also don't see how he is using Maxence. He met the guy twice while there visiting the guy I think is his boyfriend and they took a few photos together. It made the fans happy to see the "parallel universes" collide.

R249 Oh dear...The most interesting Even ?? you've got to be kidding right ? This guy can't act ! All he was doing was smiling like a dumb! Federico was a much better actor but Rocco was awful as f. Sorry but Maxence is not Eliott, there is no parallele universe in his city, Paris. I, too think Rocco was a fame whore. He immediately understood that all eyes were on Maxence and he didn't even know him but he jumped on him as if they were classmates or something just to get the lights, Maxence spotlights. Henrik knows what class act means and he didn't even try. Rocco is everything but not a good actor and NOT the most interesting Even. I guess you're italians. Only you can find that Rocco guy "interesting" but thank you for the laugh hahaha "the :most interesting Even", Lmfao

I don't think Maxence is doing a lot of acting tbh... Axel is the guy I am impressed with - he is naturally outgoing, funny yet he was able to nail conflicted, closeted character of Lucas. Seeing Maxence in interviews on the other hand makes me feel like he is playing slightly more dramatic version of himself.

I said as a person, R250, not his character. And nope, I am not Italian, but I do love Italy and Italians. Maxence is adorable and the original Skam is the best. I am not questioning that at all. But outside of their characters I have little interest in Henrik, Tarjei, Axel or Maxence...and I was the one who started this thread so was quite ready to think differently.

well I think Maxence showed his skills at the piano scene. He can act without a single word, that's the true meaning of being an actor. Especially when you know that was his first experience. Axel wasn't acting for the first time, he has more experiences than Maxence. But give him a year or two and he will be very great. Axel is brilliant, so much talented.

R252 Oh so you are the OP? Hi OP ;-) I like italia but Italians not so much. They are homophobics like hell and that is why their season two wasn't realistic. Italia is a conservative and religious country. martino and nicco weren't realistic. And sorry but voting for Salvini (Steve Bannon and Marine Le Pen and Orban friend), party, the far right, it's not exactly what i would call an open mind country. They always had the tendency to vote for racist and homophobic wings and as gay person it's the last country i would live in. Maxence and Axel are the only skam actors that gave the money they got from the upcoming convention, which will take place in Paris on may, for charities. All the other actors didn't. So to me this is what call good persons.

Hi R254 :), and yup, I am the OP. I never said Italians are progressive in terms of politics, I was talking about their culture, their art and their zest for life. I love it, there is nothing quite like it to me...and believe me there are far worse countries for gay people than Italy, even if it is not ideal.

I think it is perhaps Rocco's other talents that intrigued me. I love the music he composed and played and was used for the show, and the fact that after completing his music studies he is studying medicine (as is Federico). I mentioned above the short film he was in and how I saw it as a very fearless choice even if it wasn't great art. I think the fact that he is bi/pan also adds to the interest for me because it's nice that at least one of the actors is actually interested in men.

And from what I saw the guy I think he is dating had just moved to Paris when he was there, so the timing with Skam France was not intentional in my view.

But in the end it's all subjective and I am not trying to convince you, haha. I just wanted to share a gorgeous photoshoot of two handsome men :D.

Oh and yes the fact that Maxence and Axel are donating their convention money is a very classy move on their parts. They seem like lovely people in general honestly.

Just watched the final clip of Skam France. I still think the ending of the storyline (as with the original) is a bit weak.

I hope we see more of the Arthur character in the future seasons.

So it ended.

It's curious, i was very interested on the show for a while, but then got together and i lose all my interest in a nanosecond.

Maybe i should watch the original, i suppose there's some videos with subtitles, becuase frankly i have zero interest in the Austin and german versions

Season 4 of Skam France (Imane's season) starts tomorrow. And this guy is apparently playing her love interest. Damn, what's up with French guys and their chiseled jawlines.

Agree r258. I was captivated by the coming out drama (especially the intervention scene), but lost interest after that. The bus stop scene this week was nice, though. On the whole, I think the Norwegian is still the best.

Lol the comments are suspicious. It strongly smells jealousy . The OP is obviously Italian, only a 5 yo kid wouldn't see that. Keep hating on Skam France, but it still the most seen remake around the world. Just saying. And Julie Andem, loves Skam France too. And unlike Skam Italia the french Sana ( Imane), is a black and muslim woman when Italia casted a white non muslim girl to play Sana. And they dare to say they're not racist !!! BULLSHIT ! R259 The chemistry between Imane and Sofiane, (a french arab guy), is actually crazy and Sofiane is handsome. The balloon squad is already hilarious. I agree with Noah Co (on youtube),After the Og, Skam France is the best remake by far

SKAM 25th reunion!

Loved season 3 so much!! Lucas' "Kiss me" face is to die for. Skam France is hampered by their time restrictions though, some scenes felt too rushed and I didnt like some of the POV changes. So OG season 3 is still superior but France comes close.

Dont care for Italia much and Druck just seems morose, weird and colorless to me. Plus the actors look 14 and I dont want to see them romancing, ew. Skam Espana is doing a lesbian season but it seems way too rushed? Like they condensed the first 3 weeks worth of storyline in one week and the 2 girls nearly kissed at first meeting. Where's the anticipation?

SKAM NL is in season 3 isn't it?

Skam France season 3 was nice but too many times soap opera like. And didn’t like the conclusion of it, in the OG you have Isak realizing it’s not necessarily about one guy but about being yourself and living life now. And in Skam France you have Lucas crying just because Eliott is going back to his own apartment...

R264 not yet, Skam NL is in season 2.

R265 Lucas is different from Isak obviously, he is much more emotional and has abandonment issues. Every time Eliott has left him before this, things went very wrong for them. Plus, he is a 16 year old boy. Showing an emotional character expressing his emotions does not equate to soap opera. Also, OG is flawless for me and cannot be touched, but Isak's speech at the end was quite grandiose for me, I'm afraid. It sounded more like Julie's words through his lips rather than his own words. Poor Lucas just wanted to be happy and he was by the end of his season, that's all that matters. He did not necessarily need a wise speech.

Skam is great and all, but I wish there was less fighting within the fandom. Most of the tumblr crowd are so holier than thou, they seem to think that stanning Skam is some kind of badge of wokeness. Its even worse from ppl who stan Druck and Skam NL, those 2 remakes are basically the indie, arthouse remakes and their stans are so fucking pretentious, its nauseating. Just because your remake is drab and gritty (Druck) doesnt mean its high quality. Blank, expressionless acting does not equate to subtlety.

On the contrary, watching the different versions is a g reat way to get more out of the story.

I prefered the way Skam France depicted bipolar disorder. Lucille speech, the fact that Eliott was still grumpy and depressed after his manic episode, and Eliott speech about his treatment were far more realistic.

Also, I don't think Skam France had a soap opera tendancy. Latin countries and Scandinavian countries are really different when it comes to dealing with emotions, relationships, feelings...

I can't wait to see what France is gonna do with Season 4 considering the social climate in the country right now. From the few clips I've seen so far, there is great representation. I've read somewhere that they changed 80% of the storyline from Skam OG. And also, let's see how they gonna integrate Eliott's past in all this.

This Matteo character in Druck is too dark and depressed.

Julie Andem (writer and director of the Skam Og),and David Hourregue (director of Skam France), just followed each others on Instagram !!! OMG ! how i wish they directed a sequel together. Both of them created a masterpiece.David with the season 3 of SkamFR and of course Julie with the 4 seasons of Skam Norway. Fingers crossed.

So, in Skam Italia eleonora and edoardo are going to have their first kiss ... RAIN ! Reminds me something *cough* Lucas and Eliott *caugh* first kiss under the rain AND at night TOO! *caugh*

I love rain kisses, cheesy as they are.

I am indifferent to the promoting the skam France actors do, though some people were pissed off because it breaks the immersion and Skam is supposed to feel like real people. But the fandom is now becoming really annoying with the obsession with Axel and Maxence's personal lives. I cant go through the tag on tumblr and twitter without seeing dozens of posts about their pets or gfs.

I think because both actors are new to this kind of fandom, so they use the same SM for promotion and for personal use. I wish all celebs would have a private insta for friends and family and a separate one for promotion. Like Im really not interested in their private lives, but its irritating to see the tags clogged up with stuff which has nothing to do with the show.

Haha, OP here again and still highly amused at being considered Italian. I will take it as a compliment ;). As for the similarity with the night kiss...hasn't everything long been filmed or was the filming for Skam Italia's season 3 after Skam France's season 3 was aired? That would seem unlikely but I confess, I don't know at all. I am watching neither though.

Part of the fantasy aspect of SKAM OG (aside from a world in which adults are just outside noise) is that Isak was fairly plain and Even was NOT. The temptation to make Isak/Lucas prettier was apparently too much for the makers of SKAM Italia and SKAM NL. Probably there are gays behind those remakes. Axel Auriant is FUG but his character is pretty high-status in the show, leader of his friend group and well respected by the girls from the start, not to mention a competent pianist, which changes everything. I"m thinking a straighty thought that one up. The tendency to make him too much of a gay cliché was apparently too much for the makers of DRUCK and Espana. Perhaps the WTFOCK (Belgian) guy is the most like the original..

R274 LOL, one bad take after another. I dont even know where to begin. Isak is very very cute. The fact that Even noticed him the first day of school and literally stalked him was not just by chance. You think he would have done that if Isak was plain?

And the Skam Italia guy, who looks like he is in his mid 30s, is prettier than Isak? And AXEL AURIANT is ugly? Either you are willfully being a contrarian or you are very possibly visually challenged. Or one of the Italia fans who wanted to be slick, LMAO.

Also, Matteo from Druck is a depressed stoner hobo, which is hardly a gay cliche.

R275=AWG referent

Max is an open book

Too bad SKAM Austin doesn't have a gay male story arc: they could have gotten TJ Smith to play Even!

SKAM NL breaks the walls between versions. Eskild from Norway shows up.

It’s been a long ass time since this thread updated but wtfock (Skam Belgium) easily has become my favorite remake. The actors are actually teens (or at least close and look the part), it’s the first remake that has really captured the same spirit as the original, and their social media game is killer. Plus they are the superior noorhelm and evak remake with the absolute best chemistry. Love it.

I am very late to this series, because I only just saw it on Youtube. Skam Og left me cold. I am only watching the gay episodes. The actors seemed bland, unemotional and utterly lacking in sex appeal. The only one I liked was Eskild, the gay flatmate. However, at least they behaved like normal teens.

The chemistry between Lucas and Eliott, really Axel and Maxence, is off the charts. For someone who is an Elite model and not primarily an actor, Maxence was great. I am convinced they took their sex scenes further after the day's shooting was finished.

What exasperated me was how utterly lame and juvenile their friends were. I haven't watched a teen drama since Bev Hills 90210, but these teens seemed like they were 12 not 18. Daphné made me want to kick her in the guts, with her stupid obsessions. Manon, Yann and Mika were the only ones that held my interest. The guy crew were the biggest bunch of losers.

What struck me as very sad was the inevitable future for Lucas and Eliott. I have had two close friends with BPD and it is impossible. When they are having a manic episode, they are deaf to reason. Eliott had insight into they way he was and how the r'ship would fail, but that isn't my experience. Sexual promiscuity and spending sprees are common ways BPDs act out and only when they are confronted with the damage they have caused, in the form of an STD or massive credit card bill do they have any insight into how destructive they are. But it doesn't stop them. Being a guardian/caretaker for one is a thankless job. Eliott is going to break Lucas' heart.

Lastly, if you haven't seen Francois Ozon's latest film, Eté '85, and liked the dynamic between Lucas and Eliott, you should see it. The characters are very similar. Even though Maxence is an Elite model, I though Benjamin Voisin (actually also a model) was much more beautiful. It's streaming on Putlocker with English subtitles.

I just finished the Martino/Niccolo series on Skam Italia. I was pretty much turned off by the leads. Niccolo looked like a 30 year old drug addict to me, someone who'd mug you for drug money. His gummy smile was gross. Martino seemed lifeless and boring. It's a shame, and incomprehensible, because Italy is full of gorgeous young actors. However, the rest of the cast and the storyline was a lot better than in Skam France. The girls were charming and the guy friends were great. Really liked Giovanni.

I have just finished the gay seasons of Druck (SKAM Germany) and WTFock (SKAM Belgium), and so have seen all five editions with a male gay storyline. I am not going to bother with SKAM Espana or SKAM Austin, because they do not.

WTFock is excellent. The male leads, Robbe and Sander, are pretty good and believable, though not as riveting as French Lucas and Eliott. The older gay flatmate, Milan, is great - dignified, mature, kind (and hot). The best friend Jens is also very good. The storyline is realistic.

Druck is dark, weird and sad! Matteo is an acne-ridden sulky kid who seems like he is 14 not 18. He is pretty screwed up and it is hard to imagine he could cope with a boyfriend with serious problems. But his portrayal of realising he is gay and the difficulty of coming to terms with it, is very accurate. The gay flatmate is a flaming queen, costumes and all. The storyline is fine. But the big twist in Druck is that David is not a gay male at all - he is a pre-surgery FtM trans! He has been victimised and marginalised at his former school, and now he has been outed by a cruel gym teacher. And so all of the effort Matteo has made to come to terms with his gayness has been a waste of time. When they have sex (?), David is fully clothed. The whole thing tries to end on a happy, inclusive note like the rest of the SKAMs, but I was very turned off.

In sum, the r'ship between Lucas and Eliott was by far the best because they were both so beautiful and they had fantastic chemistry. But the lame, dumb storyline and juvenile characters, about on a level with Welcome Back, Kotter or Saved by the Bell, was totally cringe-y.

The main characters in SKAM Norway and Druck series weren't too attractive to me, and their chemistry wasn't all that strong. WTFock was the most watchable overall, for me, SKAM Italia, second. But Lucas and Eliott are iconic.

Comments welcome.

(R281and R282)