Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

Thanks OP.

Thank goodness, I don’t have to look at Roger Stone.

I just started reading Christie's book. He calls Bannon a lying snake in the introduction.

I have to hand it to all of you fabulous treason bitches. The work you put into this series is really fucking impressive. Carry on!

R6 Does Whitaker know he's the laughing stock of the nation? Is he up for questioning by Congress next week? Will he need a bucket beside him?

Good god. Over 47,000 posts

Whitaker was probably pressured heavily and directly by Trump to say the Mueller investigation is about to end. He looked and spoke in very uncomfortable fashion. Barr may not be pleased Whitaker did a pre-emptive manuever.

[quote]Good god. Over 47,000 posts

Yeah, but how many of them are about Follies?

You know Trump after that was all, "I thought you said he wouldn't be this sweaty!"

Love the title OP and feel better.

"Treason a Cold Sweat" -- j/k, the title is fine. Thanks!

I wonder if this guy commiserates with Ronny Jackson over a cold one.

I thought so, too, R11. I imagine that Trump just screamed and screamed at him, before his statement.

There are still 30 posts available on the prior thread.

Rachel reported tonight that the GOP finally decided whom to seat on the House Intelligence Committee.

From Rachel tonight.

The soonest Mueller can get the House testimony transcripts, theoretically, is Feb 5. One month after the House session started.

Motherfuckers.

According to Rachel, that is. 50 transcripts, she said.

I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of that bald mother fucker's mouth

And even if it were true, this isn't something he should know, unless he broke the law

Rachel is good tonight. The Russians used Concord Management as a defendant to gain Mueller's documents via discovery.

Concord's lawyers. Treason.

Stop saying treason.

ESPIONAGE.

(From previous thread) R563 “Someone should suggest to Dotard that Indictment Fridays would totally make the best show ever and he'd have the highest ratings EVER!!!”

Fuckhead will be spending his first weekend at Mar-a-Lago since Thanksgiving. He leaves on Fridays, so YES, bring on those Friday indictments, and ruin his weekend.

Wonder if Miz Lindz will be going as guest to Mar-a-Lago?

It’s fucking treason whether you admit it or not, R29. And it is not just during wartime that they are aiding and abetting hostile foreign powers. Despite a troll media blitz insisting this (first pushed by Trump ass-licker Dershowitz, Fox News and Russian bots just as they are presently pushing the “both sides broken” line), this is not decided or agreed upon legally as so far.

Although I agree that their espionage is part-and-parcel of their treason.

Since Donald will be going to Mar-a-Lago this weekend, I'll resume my usual prayer that Florida sink into the ocean.

They should send Whittaker to drought stricken California, where he can actually do some good for this country.

The "this thread is slow" troll toward the end of Part 79 was wrong.

Spectacularly so.

Each thread since January 7 (Part 73) has run for three days.

That is twice as fast as they average duration for all of the previous 79 parts (5.87 days).

There will have been 10 threads active during January, a monthly record matched only by December 2018.

R35 - I read 579’s comment, from the previous thread, and I think they mean that as you approach 600 comments, the thread becomes slower to maneuver. I find this to be consistently true.

Yes, I keep getting "Oh snap" errors on my phone in Chrome when I'm in the really long threads. Actually, I'm not sure what the message is, but the browser fails.

I just had a fear Mueller won’t be our hero. Tell me I’m wrong.

Go fuck yourself, R38.

OP - that pic is disgusting! As always, great choice!, (and title)

R39 Interesting way of validating R38. lol

R38 - Wrong. Next troll!

I wonder if the dumbass Repugs were holding off naming people to the committee was because they were waiting to see if Nunes was going to be indicted and didn't want name him and then have him indicted, along with the delaying factor, of course.

Miss Lindsey loves the taste of Trump's asshole. Has anyone recently asked Lindsey about Trump's continued private meetings with Putin?

Re: R11 and R16, so true. Trump screaming to control the narrative, and bullying someone else to validate it in public. All that matters is desperately trying to control the next hour, truth a total irrelevance.

I'm reminded of The King enthroned on the seashore, convinced he could stop the tide from encroaching.

I've been calling it treason and high crimes for about a year now. Unfortunately, as r38 dared to mention, it is difficult to prove collusion. I'm glad that the case will tried by a grand jury and not just your average citizen, because some if it (i.e. definitions of collusion) may be very subjective. So one can only pray and hope we have smart jurors on the final panel. However, I do not think the government has a slam dunk case by any measure.

Also, having TPTB, the likes of Michael Bloomberg, trying to dictate what is appropriate or not is not a good sign. Shultz is trying to cut off higher taxes of the rich right below the knees. We all know that billionaires will not cave to higher taxes without there being a downright bloodbath.

....just my 2 cents.

I also watched Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon whip themselves into a frenzy. They are furious about how much shit Trump is getting away with. I think they should direct that energy to the likes of McConnell, Graham, etc al. The Old Right Guard are the ones that are behind this whole mess. We will never impeach Dump with them in charge and not enough public pressure to find out WHY they are protecting these grifters

McTurtle opposes a holiday for elections. He says it is a Democratic power move.

On election days, aren't members of the House and Senate "off" (not in session) to do last-minute campaigning and vote in their home districts?

^as to federal employees

Did anyone read the article about the hacking of Russian documents, e-mails etc?? It was in the NY Times last week.

So what's what with the Guardian reporting of the 1000 investigative Mueller documents in Russian possession? Did he out-spy them by allowing perps to leak inconsequential information in order to ferret out said leakers?

Is that why Putin and Trump do those one-on-one confabs? Don't they have secure phone lines/cable links?

How can it be legal for the president of the United States to hold meetings with other heads of state that are then kept secret from everyone in our government, including members of the State, Defense, and intelligence communities? Do the exponents of the "unitary executive" theory of the constitution really take things that far? Or is this just another thing that's not, in fact, legal but that McConnell and the other powers that be are letting Trump get away with for political reasons?

The window moves.

A voting holiday sounds great.

McConnell says it's a "power grab."

Embarrassing.

Another Miss Thang moves from Congress to Fox.

So predictable, but any DLer watching Fox will be interested in the changing cosmetics, hairstyles, and attire.

Who's Trey Gowdy dating these days, R54? Any bathhouse appearances?

[quote]McConnell says it's a "power grab."

McConnell is against the idea of a voting holiday because it would enable more people to vote -- and that's the last thing Republicans want.

R56, duh.

This is another fucking DUH.

Why is this controversial? Dems have never said "no physical barriers" on the border. So annoying. Some people just assume all Dems are impliedly for open borders.

R54 perhaps a clue?

^ Some people just assume all Dems are impliedly for open borders.

Just to emphasize, NO reputable Dems are calling for “open borders”. Of course, you can find plenty of people publishing opinion pieces online that do indeed. Some of them are actually written by Progressives, too. Some by the Right, so as to tar all Dems with an untenable position. But mainstream Dems, the vast majority, are not calling for “open borders”. That expression and all it implies is a Right Wing creation to be used to make the moderate Dem position seem to be ridiculous.

Agreed, R60, but I'm hoping we (Dems) come out with a clearly articulated vision for how the border could be better operated. More tech, please, and fix those barriers that people can just kind of climb over. It's embarrassing to have those rusted, graffitied metal panels on some parts of the border. Looks like shantytown materials repurposed.

Anyone familiar with Nikki Haley's activities when she was Governor of SC, is not surprised by the pattern.

200k WTF! Fools and their money...

LINDSEY GRAHAM IS STRAIGHT !!!

Now all of you apologize to her.

Carl Kline (who approved Kushner's security clearance) is getting revenge on the whistleblower.

She has dwarfism, and Kline allegedly made things difficult for her in the office (moving things out of the way, etc.).

Kline seems like an aggressively nasty jerk.

Would we expect any less from these scum? These are the people who'd pick on women, minorities, gays, the disabled, etc. because they can.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders:

Don't portray any of this mess, including yourself, as Divine Intervention.

R51 Does Rump have an unsecured iPhone? What if the iPhone FaceTime bug allowed others to listen in?!? 🤣

Caption this

I don't even know where to start

r69...."He has risen, and he is named Trump"

Is Trump who Jeanne Dixon warned us about?

“Who knew that God lives in Moscow?”

r71 Trump may be one of those the author or amanuensis of [italic]A Course in Miracles[/italic] warned about.

I'll post a quote from ACIM and people may draw their own conclusions:

[quote].What is an idol? 2 Do you think you know? 3 For idols are unrecognized as such, and never seen for what they really are. 4 That is the only power that they have. 5 Their purpose is obscure, and they are feared and worshipped, both, because you do not know what they are for, and why they have been made. 6 An idol is an image of your brother that you would value more than what he is. 7 Idols are made that he may be replaced, no matter what their form. 8 And it is this that never is perceived and recognized. 9 Be it a body or a thing, a place, a situation or a circumstance, an object owned or wanted, or a right demanded or achieved, it is the same.

[quote] T-29.VIII.2. Let not their form deceive you. 2 Idols are but substitutes for your reality. 3 In some way, you believe they will complete your little self, for safety in a world perceived as dangerous, with forces massed against your confidence and peace of mind. 4 They have the power to supply your lacks, and add the value that you do not have. [bold]5 No one believes in idols who has not enslaved himself to littleness and loss. [/bold] 6 And thus must seek beyond his little self for strength to raise his head, and stand apart from all the misery the world reflects. 7 This is the penalty for looking not within for certainty and quiet calm that liberates you from the world, and lets you stand apart, in quiet and in peace.

[quote] T-29.VIII.3. An idol is a false impression, or a false belief; some form of anti-Christ, that constitutes a gap between the Christ and what you see. 2 An idol is a wish, made tangible and given form, and thus perceived as real and seen outside the mind. 3 Yet it is still a thought, and cannot leave the mind that is its source. 4 Nor is its form apart from the idea it represents. 5 All forms of anti-Christ oppose the Christ. 6 And fall before His face like a dark veil that seems to shut you off from Him, alone in darkness. 7 Yet the light is there. 8 A cloud does not put out the sun. 9 No more a veil can banish what it seems to separate, nor darken by one whit the light itself.

You don't have to be Christian or even a theist to see the idolatry and false impressions connected with Dotard.

Has Sarah Suckabee explained why God wanted Barack Obama to become President twice in a row?

R62 good I hope that comes back to bite her in the ass should she decide to run for President

It was a 'test' of their will, R74. I had a type like this in my ex-family....and he looked just like Stephen Miller.

As for why they feel the need to be included in 'cult like' movements, it's simple: we all share the need to feel essential, to be a part of something bigger than ourselves - a family, a tribe, a religion, a country - and have a purpose in sustaining it.

Nothing gets people together quicker than a shared sense of danger. Rather than making it something positive, demonic psychopaths use fear to instigate purpose. It's been done before and the dotard apparently kept the playbook by his bedside.

[quote] Carl Kline (who approved Kushner's security clearance) is getting revenge on the whistleblower.

Just a reminder: Reality Winner, who leaked classified information about the election in 2016 being hacked, was sent to prison while Rudy Giuliani faced no jail time for telling the press that the FBI is re-opening the investigation into Hillary's Emails right before the 2016 vote without the FBI making such an official statement to anyone.

My oh my ... the seized years of Roger Stone communications.

[quote]Feds say the discovery is "both voluminous and complex," adding up to "several [bold]terabytes[/bold] of information."

I bet is full of illegal content...

Sorry, here is the article

Roger Stone ....

Guys like Stone and Cohen keep blackmail material close to them either for their own protection or to get rid of their competition.

And they actually believed the platform they were using to communicate was unassailable by the IC

Hubris, thy name is Stone.

[quote]Kline seems like an aggressively nasty jerk.

An aggressively nasty jerk? In the Trump administration?!? Quel surprise!

R73, I believe that Trump is a cult leader and Fox is an important part of that cult.

I have deplorable family and I simply cannot understand how they can support someone like Trump . It’s like “Backwards Land”. I know that part of it is that both Trump and Fox stoke racial grievance. It makes me very sad.

[quote]And they actually believed the platform they were using to communicate was unassailable by the IC

It's always the seemingly infectious sense of untouchability they have which stuns me. Plainly they're not close to being intelligent. Cunning, venal and entitled, yes.

They always behave as though they're holding an ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card, which come what may, will see them right.

Delusion it basically has to be, but we know if or when Mueller gets close enough to Trump he'll lash out with some deep dark stuff. Recall the debate post pussy-tape. Clinton whores aplenty.

The great hope has to be that Mueller has so much slam-dunk treason dirt on Trump, and crucially on his family, that he can't flail and grandstand. Ideally he'll be checkmated and totally neutralised. Phenomenal endgame for the highest stakes.

Mueller needs to have a talk with Trump before Trump takes us into another shutdown.

I wonder if we'll have another shutdown. The last one wasn't popular, to say the least. Can you imagine -- a stable month, followed by a shutdown month, from now until the end of the year?

Hope Stone doesn't have kiddy stuff. Can you imagine the filth he's collected? Terabytes? Fuck.

R84 Trump would not have nearly as many supporters if not for fucking Fox "News". Have you seen clips from their shows? I have as I like to know what bs they spin from time to time. Fox devotes pretty much all their coverage (except for a couple anchors and a few contributors) to defending/promoting Trump, demonizing Democrats/liberals and "showing how the mainstream media is fake news".

For example they like to call the left anti-Semitic. If you disagree with any of Israel's policies the right labels you that way. Meanwhile they never take accountability for that Pittsburgh synagogue shooting that was instigated by Trump, Fox and right-wing radio blaming George Soros for the caravans and saying he was paying for them to come to the US. They never talk about Trump's "good people on both sides" comment during Charlottesville and his refusal to denounce the marching white nationalists. They use the term "globalist" which we know is a dog whistle to negatively talk about Jews. They even have on that same nutty evangelist who Trump had speak at the embassy opening in Jerusalem. That evangelist preacher has previously said Jews are going to hell and Hitler "was part of God's plan to create Israel".

So basically Fox keeps its viewers in a perpetual state of outrage saying everyone else is lying and bigoted when in reality it's the opposite. It really is mind manipulation and brainwashing. The viewers of course should be held accountable for being drawn to such a network and views in the first place.

Seriously it is every sane persons duty to block fox news on every tv they can as often as they can.

For you Seth Abramson fans...

We can't control others, but we can find like minded people and bond over not drinking the Kool-Aid Fox News / Breitbart Edition. Don't waste your breath on Deplorables trying for them to see the light. In unity there is great strenght. That's why trolls try their "Divide & Conquer" schemes.

I wonder how much longer Fox News has?

When treason is finally laid bare for all to see, I hope fux noise is forced by the FCC and president pelosi to run nonstop apologies and wall to wall coverage of treason.

That fucker, Hannity, needs to read, on air, every charge of treason, without commentary, until his show ends.

Same with fucker Carlton. Every last indictment, verbatim, on the air without commentary for a month.

Then drag them out and stone them. These pukes aren't journalists. They're chaos agents and traitor adjacent enablers.

R93 A lot~ They just finished the #1 News Network for the 17th straight year! But I believe a lot of that has to do with no real competition for Fake News. CNN and MSNBC share a lot of the same viewers.

Wow r73...I’m an ACIM enthusiast. Great post!!

Bring back the fairness doctrine in news reporting....you know, that one where you're required to present the 'other side' whenever you make an assertion or editorialize on a news information program? Who did away with that one, and then allowed media moguls like Murdoch and Turner to buy into other media beyond print and creating the current version desperately trying to hang onto what was left of journalism's 'unbiased' presentation?

Reagan, the welfare Queen himself, if memory serves correct.

I want some justice. I don't want violence or even hangings. Public shaming and complete financial ruin with the total destruction of the GOP. McTurtle's statement about a voting holiday and the Twitter outrage that followed is telling me that the tide has turned. It's not a blood cry, but the shouts are getting louder (thank you to the guy in the bookstore who shouted down the Starbuck billionaire).

Trump (the big damn dummy) is a cult leader? Trump is no leader but stupid fucks might follow him anyway.

Any predictions for TGIndictmentF? Hoping its good so it fucks up his SOTU adress on Tuesday

Don jr or Jared would be Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote] R89: Trump would not have nearly as many supporters if not for fucking Fox "News". Have you seen clips from their shows?

After Obama was elected, I though I should try Fox News as I didn’t want to criticize it without personally seeing what they were broadcasting. I had heard they were “conservative”. I barely lasted 15 minutes. They were talking about how Obama had ruined the country, in past tense. At the time, Obama had been in office only a few weeks and none of his policies had yet been enacted. It was just lies for simpletons.

Calling Fox “conservative” has got to be an insult to real conservatives. It’s just lies. Not spin. They passed spin a long time ago, they were simply manufacturing lies.

This was the period where Glenn Beck was calling Obama “racist...hates White people”. I was disgusted.

Nothing makes me more Progressive in my politics than watching that kind of nonsense.

And I will ask for Fox to be turned off anywhere I can.

R69

“I can neither confirm nor den—

[italics]q u e e f[/italics]...”

Do any of you remember this? After Hillary became Secretary of State, Fox went through an extended period where they were praising her. They were persistent. It was transparent, to me, that it was a cynical attempt to create a rift between she and Obama. It failed, but they tried it.

After Hillary started gearing up to run for the Presidency, they went back to true form in criticizing her over nothing. Or anything, whatever.

[italic]q u e e f[/italic]

Looks like Jr. learned how to use the italic function. Poor strawman doesn't even realize how badly daddy used him. I wouldn't want his fucked up past, present or future.

Please let this be that smug little asshole's turn, this Friday

[quote] R69: Again, I can’t comment on that...I haven’t discussed that with the President...I’ve already answered that....I’m not going to answer a hypothetical...I have nothing to add to what the President has said...

Why is she drawing a paycheck? A magic 8-ball from Mattel would be better:

“Maybe...ask again later...outlook good...signs point to ‘yes’...”

Onscreen on MSNBC just now - "Trump says he talked with DNI Coats and CIA Haspel and expressed his displeasure on their testimony." He claims they told him their testimony to congress has been misquoted.

[quote]between she

Air pollution rollbacks already underway by this administration will increase premature deaths in the U.S. by up to 40,000 people annually, along with tens of thousands of lost work and school days because of illness. Air pollution controls are not the only protections being lost. During 2017 EPA leadership decided not to ban a deadly pesticide called chlorpyrifos—even though the agency’s own scientists had documented that a ban was needed to protect those exposed to the pesticide, especially children. In August 2018 the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ordered the EPA to ban the pesticide. The agency responded by asking the court to reconsider its ruling—in other words, it requested the court for permission to continue to harm children.

Concord is only contesting the charges in order to get information for Russia and to waste Mueller's time. Of course they want three million more documents from Mueller.

It also explains why the attorneys are acting like total jackasses. I hope they get investigated too.

How is the testimony misquoted? It's on video!

R110 Shouldn't the presiding judge manage this case better. He has the authority to put an end of any shenanigan that is a mockery of the justice system. It's not like it's the first time rogue lawyers play tricks to delay/obstruct a case.

They were misquoted!!! You have got to be kidding me! This is beyond his usual lies.

If they quit, we will get the equivalent of Pompeo in every one of their positions and then we are really in trouble. So they spoke the truth, it was shown all over America. Now they just have to be quiet. I applaud them all.

Did anyone notice the look on Trumps face when the reporter challenged him ?....like, "how dare you question what I say".

Pres Bone Spurs seems to be upping the crazy shit lately. Now, it will be a full court press to blame both sides for everything. That is the new narrative from the Russians.

Disappointing if true:

Senate investigators have obtained new information showing Donald Trump Jr.'s mysterious phone calls ahead of the 2016 Trump Tower meeting were not with his father, three sources with knowledge of the matter told CNN.

Records provided to the Senate Intelligence Committee show the calls were between Trump Jr. and two of his business associates, the sources said, and appear to contradict Democrats' long-held suspicions that the blocked number was from then-candidate Donald Trump.

Sorry, I didn’t read all the posts. Anyone see this thread? Will this story gain traction? I think it’s fucking unbelievable!

We all know Bernie is a Russian stooge. I am d.y.i.n.g. to know who released this video.

REALLY r117? Then why did he repeatedly say he couldn’t remember who he talked to? That makes zero sense and I call bullshit.

"CNN has not confirmed the identity of the business associates who spoke with Trump Jr. nor what they discussed on the calls. The purpose of the calls and their relevance to the Trump Tower meeting and the Russia investigation is still unclear. Trump Jr. attorney Alan Futerfas declined to comment."

r117....take it with a grain of salt....they dont name sources, and they say nothing has been verified.

Who he talked to is irrelevant. We all know the speaker phone was on during the meeting and ol' Bone Spurs was on the other end.

Even if it was his father, he could just shrug and say he called his father about something else. Unless they have an actual recording of the call, he can lie and say it was about family stuff.

The irrefutable proof is going to be in the financial records.

[quote]take it with a grain of salt....they dont name sources, and they say nothing has been verified.

Yeah, I'm not taking it as gospel at this point ... and even if Jr. didn't call Donald, he could have called the "business associates" for nefarious Russian purposes.

Yeah, my gut is this is a classic Trump pivot— they literally make shit up and hope it goes away. They’ve gotten away with blatant lying for decades so they think it will work now too. FUCK the Trump family.

Deplorables (Hillary was right yet again) can have their whole cities burning down around them due to conservative policies. They will still vote repug. They are conditioned to HATE Democrats. I don't know how the party whose policies gave this country the greatest middle class the world has ever seen, whose policies protected WORKERS, who put in place the safety net everyone loves, can be so demonized by the very people who harm them the most.

I listened to some refinery workers at lunch today. A few of them (esp a younger one) was very concerned about the Russian stuff and saying there are things that are true and he was talking about how Pres Bone Spurs is with Putin. A few older ones just ticked off FNC talking points in rapid succession like robots. The guy sort of hung in there a little saying he believes what he sees with his own eyes yet the older ones had a ready answer for him. I couldn't hear everything they said after but we have got to counter this.

I just say on TV he said "We need a wall". No, YOU need a wall is what everyone should respond back.

R125 "We need a wall" is just his dog whistle to the racists. He's saying "I support your racism." With Trump, it's not the economy, stupid. It's the racism, stupid! He feeds it and is supported by it.

I like that r125. “No, YOU need a wall. Simple yet effective.

Just rebuked by the Senate, 68 to 23, over Syria and Afghanistan.

Tide keeps turning and turning....

Wait, can you elaborate r128? I haven’t kept up this week, what exactly did they vote on and was it just the vote that was the rebuke or did Senators say things that were dramatic? Any surprises on the GOP side?

Front page of Washington Post:

"In an unmistakable sign of Republicans' growing frustration with President Trump, the vast majority of GOP senators supported Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's measure contradicting Trump's rationale for withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria and Afghanistan."

Symbolic, but very telling.

Fools and their money, from Trump's camp. "The report shows that the vast majority of contributions to President Trump’s re-election committee came from donations of $200 or less. 'Low-dollar' contributions represented 98.5% of the total funds raised in the quarter, which is consistent with the trend throughout 2018."

For those who can break the firewall

Has anyone else seen this? tRump giving a commencement address in 2004...about bypassing walls...

The rich better start treading lightly. They have gotten away with sucking up as much money as they can without investing it back. They are growing bold in their pearl clutching over paying high taxes when every time they are given a cut, NOTHING gets better and our debt grows substantially. Things are not getting better, overall, with fewer well paying jobs and fewer benefits. People are working harder, longer with little to show for it. A tipping point will come and I think, if the rich were smart, they would take some pain now before pitchforks come.

Yes, Dems have a donor class yet STILL call for a tax increase on them and have actually raised their taxes with the last 2 Dem Presidents. They don't own the Dems like they completely own the repugs. As long as CU is not overturned, the Dems have to playball a bit with the rich or the rich will fucking decimate them. CU made sure of that. Look what they are doing now. They are starting to try to fracture the Democratic Party because some, not all, but some call for higher taxes on them. Just some and the hysterics over it is telling. I am starting to loathe most billionaires.

You can just bet perv extraordinaire Stone has "underage" porn in those terabytes of info collected by the FBI. If not for his own pleasure (though I'd not put it past him), blackmail images of power players with underage individuals for blackmail purposes. I wonder how many will commit suicide on the heels of all this... Also, who knew Sarah H. Sanders is a satanist (hence her declaration that God wanted Dump to be POTUS)?! The GOP meltdowns and implosion is well underway! I am ready for another "indictment Friday"!

Oh fuck off, R134 - unless you’re criticizing millionaire Bernie Sanders along with millionaire Hillary Clinton in your persistent “both-sides-ism”.

I now see your “1%” for what it is in this thread and the last several - a dog whistle to cause dissent and split.

And I say that as someone who is BOTH a socialist and someone who protested with Occupy. You’re trying to distract with the “both sides broken” line. Fuck off; you are seen. I see you.

My apologies, R134, I realize you’re a different poster - you’re actually saying the opposite of the “both sides broken”/1% poster.

Holy shite r136. I’m not that poster, but glad you apologized.

r136 Damn. Thank you for the apology. Where did that come from?

I long age blocked r134. You would be wise to do the same.

Wonder what's in Stone's porn stash? Videos with donkeys? Fisting? Japanese girls pissing? That may be the mild stuff.

r140 Blocked me over pop stars. Look at my posting history esp in these threads and you will see I'm the Former Congressional Intern and have a long history.

Off-topic I know, but I just ran across this........

Governor to Kim Davis: You're Great, but You May Owe $225K

R143 Thoughts and Prayers!

If Kim Fat Davis were to be involved in the Russian collusion case, it would be the cherry on to of a fatberg Sunday.

"Senate investigators have obtained new information showing Donald Trump Jr.'s mysterious phone calls ahead of the 2016 Trump Tower meeting were not with his father, three sources with knowledge of the matter told CNN."

Yet I'm sure the Dotard was communicated with at some point?!?

R146 here; sorry, just saw the posts about this fuckery above.

Could this be significant?

[quote]Could this be significant?

They're finally indicting Hillary and Obama! Whoo-hoo! Break out the Bud Light!

Four

And Bill and Michelle!

And Barbra Streisand!!!!

And colored NFL players who take a knee! GLORY!

The befuddling Lindsey.......

Got news from my friend that isn't shocking- word is the new Russian tactic, in addition to disinformation and social media bullshit, is to fund 3rd party candidates in close HOUSE races as well as Senate/Gov/President to siphon off moderate/liberals so the repugs win.

Interesting Seth Abramson thread about one of the people about whom it's being reported Junior called, and his theory about why.

Interesting Seth Abramson thread about one of the people about whom it's being reported Junior called, and his theory about why.

Chris Mathews was burping tonight. See the Roger Stone segment.

He has terrible acid reflux, it seems. Painful. He should do a Reverend Al and go vegan, get slim. It'll fix his stomach issues.

Thrilled they have so much data from Stone. Wonderful news.

I hope there will be another indictment tomorrow. It's such a thrill.

r155 link? Russians can't directly donate to candidates due to US election law. Even through dark money groups I think they'd still be violating the law.

Can I hope for four?

Makes you wonder where all the news agencies have scrambled for their stake outs.

[quote] R125: Deplorables (Hillary was right yet again) can have their whole cities burning down around them due to conservative policies. They will still vote repug. They are conditioned to HATE Democrats.

I recently heard my Deplorable brother refer to the Dems as “haters”. Obviously he heard it from some right wing site, that is trying to co-opt the label, because Dems appropriatly use it for Republicans. I was speechless. The Republican President has said the most hateful things about Muslims, Mexicans, immigrants, and mocks a disabled reporter, and so forth. But that doesn’t seem to bother my brother.

The Dems, in contrast, may hate Trump, but it’s not because he belongs in a group that Dems hate. It’s because Trump, personally, has earned the contempt of the people, by his words and actions. It’s not a generalization. It is personal. Trump has earned however hated he is.

Things like this is why I refuse to discuss politics with my brother. He’s irrational and unswayed by facts and evidence.

You know it’s bad when they have terabytes full of reciepts.

Good opening segment on Rachel tonight. Kris Kobach's blatant voter suppression in Kansas's midterm elections (he lost for governor).

I fucking HATE voter suppression. Disgusting.

All these old guys fucked up by trusting each other's IT knowledge.

I bet Trump consulted with his 40 year old kids who taught him how to use email. Too funny.

I find he looks worse than ever. I wouldn't call him frail, but there appears to be a certain amount of frailty. Mentally? I wonder how many repulsive repulsive thought he might be easy to control.

He'll be gone by 2020. I worry they will find someone worse.

Mueller needs to take out as many as possible but the rest of us should be prepared to stick to our guns. I hate to say I don't think it will be easy.

Trump doesn't use email, r168.

Picture it: Ivanka being dragged down her driveway, kicking at FBI agents and cursing in Russian, disheveled, no makeup -- what a glory that would be

repugs will always find someone worse. They opened a Pandora's box with Pres Bone Spurs. We will see more, not less, of his ilk but we will fight back. We are as united. We don't have the southern DINO's anymore to drag us down.

Just like the corruption bill will be attacked, we need to mount a full assault on THEM. Fuck those lobbyists and conservatives. It is amazing at least 80% of the country hasn't caught on and aren't chasing them out of town with pitchforks.

Will Hurd, Beto's GOP pal (with whom he sided in his campaign against a compelling Dem candidate) is on the House Intelligence Committee this session.

Regarding Will Hurd:

[quote] Mr. Hurd and his opponent, Gina Ortiz Jones, a former Air Force intelligence officer, finished the election with one of the tightest vote margins in the state. Mr. Hurd had received 49.2 percent of the vote and Ms. Jones got 48.6 percent, with 1,150 votes separating the two candidates, according to state elections officials.

[quote] The race opened a window on the increasing diversity of Texas politics. Mr. Hurd is the first black Republican to represent Texas in Congress. Ms. Jones was seeking to become the country’s first Filipina-American congresswoman and the state’s first openly gay or lesbian member of Congress.

[quote] The outcome was a belated boost to Texas Republicans.

Hmm, that's disappointing (although not really about the Mueller investigation).

R174, House Intelligence Committee member. Voted with Nunes last session.

According to some informed journalist on twitter, the guy Donnie, Jr called on the phone was a close personal friend of his father's who was an informal adviser and has close ties to Russia, business interests, etc. and has traveled to Russia with Trump. For all we know he could have been sitting in the office with Senior, who was known to be there that day. So Donnie calls Daddy using a Go-between. Like that guy, Willie Cicci, the Button Man in Godfather II said, "Yeah, the family used a lot of buffers..."

Sorry. It was our very own Seth Abramson.

HOWARD LORBER*

▶️ Trump's best friend ▶️ Trump campaign adviser ▶️ Trump "inner circle" member ▶️ Significant ties to Russia ▶️ Traveled to Russia with Trump ▶️ Speaks to Trump regularly

*Called by Don Jr. as soon as he learned the Kremlin was giving his dad stolen Clinton docs

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We're hearing all these stories about the Trump boys because they are worried about possible Friday indictments.

Please indict Ivanka as the big fish, then indict Don jr as the loser dumbass brother. Erich? Is there a law against being a developmentally disabled rich guy? Apparently Ivana drank a lot during her pregnancies. All three of her kids are seriously deformed.

We want justice.

Friday.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders is in for a miserable life by anyone who might recognize her. We've seen this happen in the past, but she and her dad, and scary mom, and really scary brothers might make it much worse. I worry that she will require security for the rest of her life.

Former Congressional Intern, R140 is blocked by me. Thanks for your input, even if it's gossip or whatever. We can make our own minds up.

We've long wondered whether Trump's associates and family communicate with him via TV interviews and I am convinced this is what they do and still plausibly say "I didn't talk to him." Well it will come out one day.

Stone and his terabytes of material, it's gotta be porn, probably movies of various men with his wife.

pee pee tapes getting to be a trend.

The only verified pee tape I've watched from this overall circus was on Chelsea Handler. Everything else has been just wishful thinking.

Re this tweet from SA, have to admit, this is the first thing I thought of re Jr's call: laundering the call.

Trump is buddy-buddy with the son of Billy Graham AND the head of NASCAR Brian France? You can see why Deplorables are just fine with him.

[quote] I recently heard my Deplorable brother refer to the Dems as “haters”. Obviously he heard it from some right wing site, that is trying to co-opt the label, because Dems appropriatly use it for Republicans. I was speechless. The Republican President has said the most hateful things about Muslims, Mexicans, immigrants, and mocks a disabled reporter, and so forth. But that doesn’t seem to bother my brother.

Not that new. Trump at the final debate for the 2016 election said that Hillary is "filled with hate".

Well, I'm up.

Where is the arrest?

Is Junior still with that woman that used to be on Fox? It is not that Kentucky Kim but Kim Gillfolder or something like that.

Junior Mimt’s girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, angry on Twitter.

Richard Painter on Twitter

WASHINGTON -- The Trump administration is poised to announce Friday that it is withdrawing from a treaty that has been a centerpiece of superpower arms control since the Cold War and whose demise some analysts worry could fuel a new arms race.

An American withdrawal, which has been expected for months, would follow years of unresolved dispute over Russian compliance with the pact, known as the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces, or INF, treaty. It was the first arms control measure to ban an entire class of weapons: ground-launched cruise missiles with a range between 500 kilometres (310 miles) and 5,500 kilometres (3,400 miles). Russia denies that it has been in violation.

U.S. officials also have expressed worry that China, which is not party to the 1987 treaty, is gaining a significant military advantage in Asia by deploying large numbers of missiles with ranges beyond the treaty's limit. Leaving the INF treaty would allow the Trump administration to counter the Chinese, but it's unclear how it would do that.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in early December that Washington would give Moscow 60 days to return to compliance before it gave formal notice of withdrawal, with actual withdrawal taking place six months later. The 60-day deadline expires on Saturday, and the administration is expected to say as early as Friday that efforts to work out a compliance deal have failed and that it would suspend its compliance with the treaty's terms.

The State Department said Pompeo would make a public statement on Friday morning, but it did not mention the topic.

Horrible.

[quote]Trump doesn't use email,

Of course he doesn’t. And the tweet at r184 makes perfect sense, too. He really operates by mob rules. Say nothing concrete, give no direct orders, surround yourself with family. He’s Tony Soprano without the fondness for ducks.

Or the therapy, presumably? Can you imagine Trump on the couch?

R181, the self-proclaimed “Former Congressional Intern” had NOTHING to “report.”

He is a total fake as well as divisive.

[quote]He is a total fake as well as divisive.

But he sure knows his shit don't stink.

ROMANS: 13. It is not just Sarah Huckabee Sanders citing this in attempting to justify and validate Trump. This is what fundamental, right-wing evangelical groups and organizational allies are pushing and indoctrinating with their flocks. For politicians/leaders they oppose, they reference other biblical passages that are contradictory without recognizing the contraction by their interpretations, or ignoring such, to use a religious basis to attack and remove them.

[Quote] But he sure knows his shit don’t stink.

And he’s been here FOREVER!

SINCE THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!

“FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!”

Don't forget he discovered the identity of the soft sous-chef murderess.

I'm going to make my own damned decisions about who's a fucking troll and who isn't. I don't need "Troll police" to tell me who to block, 'mmm K ?

Re: Sarah Huckabeast’s God remark. What the fuck happened with the separation of church and state in this country? Jesus Christ.

Good for you, R200! Would you like a lollipop for keeping up your boundaries?

Soft BUTCH!!! Souf Chef

Sorry, as a denizen of the underwhelmed threads it whelms me too much to type * that word *.

“CHECK OUT MY POSTING HISTORY!!!!! I’VE BEEN HERE FOREVER!!!!!!!”

There, there. Can we please stay on topic? Or at least on things related to the topic? If the mission of the trolls was to derail this thread they're succeeding beautifully.

I think Donnie, Jr. laundered his calls to Dad. It's also possible that the phone belonged to Ormer, but Trump Sr. was using it. In fact Ormer probably had his people by a lot of burners for the campaign to use. Trump is an underhanded piece of sleaze.

If her father's name was Cary Condell, he died 8 years ago in SF on January 27, 2011. Maybe the anniversary of his death was just too much to bear as his sole caregiver.

R207 Sorry wrong thread

Graham was never a maverick; an opportunist and flipper when he deems it to be self-serving, yes; but no maverick. Having hissy-fits for Hannity and other media to showcase, is a component of the Trump sychophant label.

Graham's voting record is not maverick, Salon.

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this would explain what Russia probably has on Trump

Don Junior tweets prolifically as his father does. Boasting that it was determined that his phone calls to a burner phone didn't belong to DJT, but a business partner, clears him of allegations, may come back to bite him. Allegations that he gave false/contradictory testimony to Congress has been under investigation along with the related matters.

Gee, I wonder who leaked the "phone call not to DJT" thing.

Also wasn't his dad upstairs in the tower at the time?

Yes, R212, he was. The question is where was Ormer and who had his phone?

This family is so damned crooked! There are layers upon layers of deceit. Nothing is as it seems. Every time we discover something there is always, ALWAYS something being hidden beneath that discovery. I hate them SO MUCH.

And while I'm at it I want to take the news media to task in general. They have been bending over backwards to act like everything is normal, even as they also express outrage or surprise at the latest shit storm. Well things are not normal. Not even by half. Some things are just fucking wrong.

The MAGAs, the hate speech, the "questionable" legality of Trump's business practices while in office, his kids getting licensing agreements as he negotiates trade agreements, there are countless instances where they are fucking wrong. And something has to be done.

The fact that McConnell and Ryan have got away with not doing their jobs, or that they are all getting money from Russians, or in business with Russians, or WTF ever. It's all wrong. The interference in our elections is now an established fact. WRONG, and nothing is being done except the whole "wait until Mueller is finished..."

I call bullshit. Media needs to get really fucking mad. They set the agenda. They're the ones who can instigate and form and direct public opinion. It's not "Liberal" vs. Conservative. It's about the fucking Constitution and being an American. Damn I'm pissed.

[QUOTE]Don't forget he discovered the identity of the soft sous-chef murderess

I’m the person to whom you’re referring and I am NOT the “Former Congressional Intern.”

I’m the guy who lives in the same building as Manafort and Mueller’s accountants as well as the guy who occasionally sleeps with a guy who works on the Hill and then passes along what I hear on DL. And, yes, I also helped solves the Soft Bitch Sous Chef murder by urging a friend of mine who had hooked up with David Messerschmidt via Craigslist to take his email exchange to the police which helped them bail the killer.

Got it?

[quote]Got it?

Not particularly.

“CHECK OUT MY POSTING HISTORY!!!!!

BLEAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU!!!! GOT IT?!?!?!!!!!!”

I haven’t been here all week. Why all the infighting, what did I miss?

Well, you’re conflating me with another poster so obviously you don’t.

By the way, this is why people with actual gossip don’t post on DL anymore. Because the ancient cunt brigade comes out of their basements trying to discredit everyone.

Trump is a racist fucking asshole and all his friends are the same. Trump has always idealized Hitler...Putin kows that about Trump.

R220

Let us face it, Lindsay Graham and McConnell are both taking money from Putin.

R219

Yes, I’m still trying to understand what the fuck you people are bitching about regarding another poster. How else would one defend themselves other than telling you to see their other posts, hmmmm? Is this derailment legit or is this yet another attempt to keep us off topic? WTF. This is happening more and more frequently.

Distraction trolling. Putting off people interested in the thread's topic with comment after comment about a silly non-issue.

R224 Concur. I am tired of reading the deflections and off-topic nonsense. If someone doesn't like former intern or whomever's posts, just hit ignore. Then there are those that ignore someone, then post their reply numbers to see what the next say. Such behavior degrades a thread.

Back on track... I’m slightly disappointed that there have been no indictments today, but I think there’s still time. Didn’t some of them come on Fridays around 3:00 pm? I do wish the Mueller investigation leaked a little... I’m pretty patient most days, but there are times when curiosity drives me nuts and I just want the deets! Btw when does the vote for William Barr happen? I’m thinking he has to be a smidge better than what’s there now—just a smidge.

R226

R227

R191, that is just a measure of how important the Meuller investigation is internationally. If I'm not mistaken, Trump withdrew from a missile testing treaty, which allowed Russia to test it's new missiles, which means that Trump can now find an excuse to withdraw from the INF.

I'm sure Russia will start placing the same class of, now non-treatybound nuclear missiles in Europe, and use it as a bargaining chip in the future. With no exaggeration; Trump will get us all killed, just to cover his crimes. He is a terrible human being. And judging by the tweet below, if and when he is removed from office, his loyalists will persist in believing his lies. We are all in grave danger.

r227, I am starting to believe that they release things for Maddow to break at 6pm EST

Didn't know the Manhattan Madam was called 'Mama Fabulous' by her staff.

This reminds me of Junior Mint calling Guilfoyle 'Hot Mama'.

And the alledged gentleman caller that refered to the Sénatrice as 'Lady Fabulous'.

Has Miss Sénatrice ever actually denied being a gay man on camera? I need something funny to laugh at this afternoon.

She has. And it’s every bit as funny as you imagine it to be.

R229

Hmm did the djt jr phone call leak and maggie haberman NYT interview with Trump came out about the same time?

“YOU’RE JUST JEALOUS OF MY SCOOOOOP!

FUCK YOU, GOT IT?!?!?!!!!!!

BLEAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!”

R215 don't let them get you down. I for one like your scoops!

Scoop-free scoops are worthless.

*solved *Butch *nail

r200 - thanks Svetlana. Good advice.

I only ever get two-scoop scoops.

Facts are your friends! Largest Fentanyl drug bust just made at a CHECKPOINT!

Well, John King can forget about calling upon Miss Lindz.

Snippets of Mueller, he's been speaking about cyberwar for at least ten years:

Republicans are setting a trap for 2020. Well, several traps. They are going to try to split Dems on tax issues and also healthcare issues.

The Medicaid for all vs single option vs strengthened exchanges argument is one example.

Another example is using alarming tax rhetoric to scare moderates. “Progressive Dems will tax everyone to death”

A great way to avoid these traps is to focus and promote the larger picture. For example, we need better and more affordable healthcare, and we can reach that goal with several different options. Focus on the larger picture. We need some kind of reform, let’s not lose the election because of infighting over which method.

For taxes, change the subject to higher wage growth. We need families making more money and less going to the trillionair hedgefunders.

Also, when is the last time a top 10 company had a loss of revenue? It’s not normal for things to be so rigged that corporations are guaranteed a profit. Think about that. Are YOU guaranteed a profit? No? Well then corporations shouldn’t be either.

Argue for wage-based solutions as opposed to tax related boogeymen. Own the conversation. Don’t fall into pre set traps. Reference the larger picture when stuck.

This goes for immigration as well. Big picture. We been reforms, yes, least of which is a 14th century wall.

Non reported story - Fox News ratings have taken a huge hit over the past two months, at least in the key demo. Both Tucker and Hannity are down 30-40%. Maddow is smashing Hannity. CNN is beating them in the demo in every timeslot 8-11. So is MSNBC, except at 8 where Chris is just a shade behind Tucker.

I want a Friday indictment NOW, dammit.

Caitlyn Jenner said as long as two years ago she may run in 2020 for President.

Please Caitlyn, challenge Trump in the 2O20 Republican primaries. Make Miss Lindsey call you a no good hussy.

Well, Caitlyn would be a 100% better than DJT. So would thousands of others.

Would be entertaining if she miraculously got some traction.

[quote] Caitlyn Jenner said as long as two years ago she may run in 2020 for President.

Buckle up buckaroos!

From the Jussie thread

Resistance seems to fit on this thread, too.

[quote]Well, Caitlyn would be a 100% better than DJT. So would thousands of others.

Why don't the likes of Jenner, Howard Schultz etc. run for a city council first?

Instead of trying to out-Trump Trump, why don't they actually solve the problem of their incompetence and total inexperience in governance and public service before grandstanding that anyone can run for POTUS?

Come to think of it. Would would be the next logical, even worse, candidate after Trump? La Senatrice, Sean Hannity, a rabid dog, Dr. Phil, Jeff Lewis?

Could Don Jr. call his business partners, who then dial Trump to make a conference call? He could, certainly. I hope Mueller thought of this.

Heck, Caitlyn could campaign across country in the trans van. The media would cover every minute of it.

She has the campaigner moves.

That was just wrong of south park. Somebody died. I get taking jabs at her, but consider the non famous victim.

So the basis they're going to go with is that the phone call wasn't to Dotard, but someone else therefore Dotard is completely innocent of knowing anything?

Sure.

And who is to say that Dotard wasn't with whoever the phone belonged to when the call was placed?

[quote]Another example is using alarming tax rhetoric to scare moderates. “Progressive Dems will tax everyone to death”

This lie needs to die. Dems want a fairer tax system. Fair should be the key word in all messaging on that.

And they should learn from this guy:

"“It feels like I’m at a firefighters conference and no one’s allowed to speak about water, right?” Bregman said. “Just stop talking about philanthropy and start talking about taxes. … We can invite Bono once more, but we’ve got to be talking about taxes. That’s it. Taxes, taxes, taxes. All the rest is bullshit in my opinion.”

As if to prove his point, one Davos attendee — Ken Goldman, the former CFO of Yahoo — used the question-and-answer period to denounce Bregman and Winnie Byanyima, the executive director of Oxfam International also on the panel, for a “very one-sided panel,” and demanded that they offer solutions to inequality besides higher taxes."

WTF someone has been hell bent on attacking me for a few threads now. Anyone feel free to dig through my posting history and judge for yourself if I am "divisive" or whatever the fuck that loon was saying.

Sorry they are doing this to the threads.

Someone up thread said Pres Bone Spurs has other means to get a message to Putin. Of course he does. He has many many ways and does but the face to face must be fucking scary shit. All in secret. How is this allowed? They all know he is compromised. Just goes to show you cannot trust conservatives. They want what they want and fuck everything else.

If the speakerphone was on, DJT heard the conversation. A burner phone can be simply handed to another without changing the name of the purchaser.

R261 forgot to say I am Former Congressional Intern

[quote] This lie needs to die. Dems want a fairer tax system. Fair should be the key word in all messaging on that.

The media controls the narrative. Who owns the media? people from the middle class or people from the 1%

r264 That is why the "media is liberal" bullshit needs to die. The media will crush any chance of a huge tax hike if we don't control the narrative and give them no choice. We need to get the perfect messaging for this.

Sorry, Who owns the media? People from the middle class or people from the 1% ?

R247 great post, I concur. Same for r265.

FCI, I’ve been attacked in threads too, just lean on your ignore function and we will all do the same. It’s ridiculous. Even if they don’t dig your posts, you’ve never derailed a thread. THEY are the derailers, and many of us here having fucking had it with their bullshit.

Watching Ari right now. I do agree that getting the perfect messaging on taxes is key, and our biggest problem with be the media. We have to have a strategythat boxes them in, thereby forcing them to report it, and report it accurately.

I wouldn't be surprised if sooner or later social media platform declare the demand for fair taxes as hate speech and censor it on their social media platforms.

R268, let's pay attention to what Twitter does on the taxes issue.

Cable TV, WP, NYT, etc., are corporations and profit comes first. Trump antics and controversies garner viewers and sell ads, subscriptions, etc. This saga is about prolonging and exploiting. Their executives are more about earning grand salaries and bonuses, than progressive ideology.

I don't even believe that if progressive ideas and stories got bigger ratings that the media would jump on that. The media is a mass manipulation tool for the 1% to fuck with our minds to let them get richer and for us to bicker and fight with each other.

We need more Ellen Page's. It's rare to see it spelled out so clearly and bluntly. History will be kind to her.

[quote]My oh my ... the seized years of Roger Stone communications.

[quote]Feds say the discovery is "both voluminous and complex," adding up to "several terabytes of information."

He backed up all the porn from Tumblr before the purge.

So the Cheeto is back in Florida again for the weekend...

I know the taxpayer gets the bill for feeding and housing all his security etc - but I wonder:

Is he charging room rates to the taxpayer for accommodating he and his whore and other family members?

I imagine if any other GOP politicians join him there - they’d almost certainly be charged for their accommodation and meals. But I’m pretty sure he’s charging for himself and his close family too. Fucking grifters.

If the judge in the Roger Stone case issues a gag order, will she make it a ball gag?

[quote]Roger Stone judge weighs gag order

[quote]Judge Amy Berman Jackson said she would give each side a week to offer thoughts on a potential gag order.

r172, Beto and Hurd are good friends, that's probably why he voted that way.

Ugh so disappointed no indictments before SOTU.

Stone's head is funny shaped. If he's a looker, it's not in a good way. Those swinging couples that hooked-up with Stone and wife, probably are not beauties either.

Maybe one on Monday, or Tuesday, R277?

Mueller moves at his own pace. He doesn't give a shit whose trying to pressure him. Giuliani and Whitaker are not credible on this. That said, the Mueller team has a mountain of material to review and perhaps more interviews to conduct. Preparing court documents and working with grand juries take time. Since they have reached to action on Stone, the inner family circle looks next to process for formal action.

Biden has always been a "compromiser." He does what's expedient. Unfortunately hisvision is limited. All the things they used to accuse Hillary of? Biden is the complete embodiment of them He's an old whore. Obama gave him a new life, legitimized him. But his time is over. He is strictly old school.

In my dreams, they indict Junior about an hour before Trump has to give the SOTU. That might be the only thing that could get me to watch.

Trump in the White House for over two years! This ignorant, nutcase grifter in our White House for two years and we can not even get a look at his tax returnes?! We are living in a nightmare and there is no help coming.

r282 that would be amazing. Or, during the SOTU, so the news crawl starts talking about his son being indicted while he's blathering about the wall.

I think the obvious thing that needs to happen is that people need to start tweeting and reporting that Junior is the real genius and was so good at what he did that he was able to do it all without his simple minded father even being aware of it.

I'm pretty sure Dotard wouldn't be able to handle it and he'd end up implicating himself as the Master Mind and knowing EVERYTHING just so Jr. Mint didn't upstage him.

I just want to remind people. Two days before Trump met with Putin in Helsinki, Mueller handed down indictments to 13 Russian agents. He named them and was very specific about the charges. He had dates places, and he named names. And he "let the President know." This was two days before his meeting with Putin. The indictments went public and were filed. And the entire world knew it. It was a humiliating moment. People joked about how hangdog and groveling Trump was. How terse and smug and vile Putin was. I say this because I believe Mueller doesn't give a fuck whether it's SOTU, or Christmas. He wouldn't give a fuck if it were PAssover. He can be cold and ruthless when it's required, and always very strategic. And that gives me great comfort.

I would like to see Ivanka, Jared and Junior, all arrested the day of the speech.

I think something that wonderful could make me well again.

r278 People have been comparing Roger Stone to Zippy the Pinhead for years. And you just noticed how freakish he looks?

R272 or anyone who knows what R272 is referring to, please explain what you men xD?

R288, he looks like a modern throwback to Neanderthals. Positively Simian.

Disregard my post at R289. I see the video at R253 . Not all the thread had loaded at the time , so I missed it.

[quote] R259: And who is to say that Dotard wasn't with whoever the phone belonged to when the call was placed?

Good point. They should figure that out by tracking Trump‘s phone’s GPS.

Ultimately the phone call doesn't matter though, right? Because unless there's a recording of it there'd be no proof of what the call was about. If it comes out that Dotard was the one on the other end of the line, they'd just say they were talking about dinner or Ivanka's pussy.

It's a minor point in a much larger investigation, but that's how manipulations work. He's using the fallacy fallacy.

Why does it matter if Cheeto himself was listening in or not (but so we're clear, he was)?

His own son, son-in-law, and his campaign manager - all were colluding with Russians in the Trump Tower meeting. Who are the idiots who don't believe Jr. Mint and Jared kept all to themselves, and Manafort with his dozens of links to Cheeto was also mum. All this while Cheeto was urging Putin to hack the Dems (aka "find Hillary's emails").

In what world does the fact that our top campaign officials aka your closest blood / marriage and business relations, were so deep in Russian shit somehow means that you weren't?

^^ Correction: Who are the idiots who believe Jr. Mint and Jared kept all to themselves...

It doesn't matter, it's just one drop in a much larger pool.

R296 no one believes they kept it to themselves but they're going to need proof to charge Bone Spurs. They can't just charge him because, "Any moron knows that of course Bone Spurs knew."

There has to be a smoking gun somewhere. Because Trump himself is sneaky and paranoid. We can see this. But he people around him are not nearly so good at being sneaky. They tend to strut and brag and discuss and plot and scheme. So someone will have evidence. It is even possible that Michael Cohen or Roger Stone has this on tape.

We may, at some point, get audio of Trump telling someone about the Russians and the wiki dump. IMO, the FBI Counter Intel people already have Trump tapped and taped and audio exists. Don't ever forget the Feds started investigating him in July and after he dumped Comey and he seemed more cavalier even bragging to the RUssians about firing Comey, they opened a counter intel probe because they believed he was a Russian asset.

So I believe in my bones, that there's definitely incriminating audio of him. If he was arrogant enough to be recorded by access hollywood, he is arrogant enough to give away his game with indiscretions somewhere along the way during the campaign and after he was elected.

I think for almost a year after he was elected he felt bulletproof and he was going to rallies, and having his way, and still basking in the fact that he was fucking POTUS. SO he was not nearly as discreet as he should have been.

It’s been over 3 years since he started capaigning, if there was a smoking gun it would have cum out already!

Datalounge sleeps. But Mueller does NOT!

Their arrogance is kind of fascinating. These people live in a world where there are no actual consequences. They are total corrupt cunts to everyone, pretty much all the time, and pay no price. I think they are honestly shocked that there may actually be consequences to cuntitude. They truly have no idea what is happening here.

The stories Chris Christie tells about Jared Kushner (and Christie is a cunt too, but anyway), Jared is actually pissed that his father should pay any price for being a complete corrupt criminal asshole. It's just inconceivable to him, because the billionaire class is never supposed to pay any price for anything, ever. It's weirdly fascinating, the mentality behind that.

I remember hearing stories over years about he basically fleeced Atlantic City for all they had and that he doesn’t pay contractors and wondering how in the world people get away with this crap.

But let the plebs so much as jaywalk and they throw us in the clink.

True. Now if the fucking plebes would stop voting for all the assholes that do that shit, maybe we could make this a better country.

I have a dream about next Tuesday.

In the middle of the SOTU Trump announces that he is declaring an Emergency at the border.

As soon, the heartbeat after, Nancy rises gavels that the House chamber is to be cleared and announces that the House is going into emergency session.

She requests that the President be escorted from the chamber.

Raw Story has an article saying Stone is hiding put in an undisclosed location because he's afraid he will be "Jack Rubyed".

awesome, r306. Honestly, if nothing else, Please no Democrats do that stupid embarrassing thing where you rush to the aisle to shake hands with the Cunt. Please nobody do that.

I believe a troll, or some trolls, try to invalidate the whole meeting (like the Steele Dossier?) by going crazy about a the little detail öole Trump maybe not being on the other end of that call.

Sorry, ... by going crazy about a little detail OF Trump maybe not being on the other end of that call.

Reading comprehension R308. Nobody tried to invalidate the meeting because of the phone call. That's not what anyone said.

Sorry, R309.

merci, was really confused there for a hot minute

I am so thankful Madam Speakers stands up to that prick. Ovaries!

let every Democrat follow suit R314. honestly, if you treat the Cunt with the slightest respect, just be aware that you are done in the party.

I hope no Democrat applauds Cheetolini 's corrupt, lying ass. I mean, everybody knows Dumb Donnie is going to declare that the SOTU is "Great", and he'll declare that he's done more for America than any other POTUS.

Will he shrug and wave his hands in the general direction of the non-applauding Democrats and say, "No? Nothing?" again this year? That was hilarious and exemplified just how much it gets under his skin. I hope they all wear blue, too, cuz fuck him.

I imagine it will down like this...

Stone has been hiding out? That seems suspicious since he has been on TV constantly

I know that everyone has diagnosed Trump as NPD, but has anyone diagnosed Jared? It seems like more than just rich kid syndrome. If you read Christie's book, Jared sounds like he is quietly off his rocker.

I'm reading Fear right now and it's like watching the crazies assemble. Steve Bannon is certifiably nuts and he is cunning too. Smart, cunning, insane immoral, and dangerous. He seems like just a benign alcoholic coke head, but he is not to be underestimated and his buddy Rebekkah Mercer, is oyvay!

Why is Fox suddenly obsessed with abortion again?

Froths up the precious base like nothing else, r323.

They specifically mentioned NY in their rants R324.

They're shifting to abortion because the immigration thing is stale and they need to keep the base agitated. It's transparent.

Don't worry. The Gay "lifestyle" and Gay marriage will get re introduced soon enough. Right now they are busy with focus groups and with re packaging the stuff that works. Getting ready for 2020.

[quote]Why is Fox suddenly obsessed with abortion again?

Fox and the entire right-wing media consortium has been taken over the last few days with accusations that Democrats are for "infanticide."

I'm going with r326.

It's also reflective of the current status of cases in front of the USSC. They're actively trying to undermine Roe v. Wade as we speak.

I hope someone somewhere has picked up what was said privately between Putin & Trump.

The only ones who know for sure are the Ruskies. Perhaps some spy (outside of America) got the notes.

I really really really want to know what was said....what Putin directed. What Trump accepted...

It is not complicated. DJT bankrupted four times in failed realestate transactions. He would not pay his contractors and refused to pay back bank loans. He lost any collateral for new loans from domestic banks. He turns to wealthy Russian oligarchs to bail out his realestate loses and find new money. Thus, shady deals with money flow and laundering through foreign banks occurs. Russher/Putty leveled conditions for DJT receiving these illegal, largely unaccountable, financial distributions, much of which even escaped taxation. Along with accumulating other blackmail material and cultivating DJT as an asset, Putty owns DJT who is expected to enact political policies Putty demands.

At the core, with theBone Spurs honcho, the family, and the extended latch-on operatives, it's about greed. Any means to obtain such has no ethical barriers in their minds. It has always been that way with them. That's all they know.

Lindsey extensively complements Trump's jawline and his exquisite cuts in suits.

R332 in a nutshell. I agree. But I don't think Trump had to be coerced to do Putin's bidding. I think he was more than willing to do what Putin needed. I think Donald and the Russians were collaborators through and through. His oligarchs stepped in and helped him grow wealthy and save his brand all those years ago. He would lick the shit off their asses willingly. Trump thinks of himself as a "strong man" type so he idolizes Putin but he also sees himself now, as President, as Putin's equal and loves the acknowledgement he gets from doing things Putin wants. Putty manipulates him and he's not even aware of it.

Of course Trump will do Putin's bidding...Putin gotta deposit $$ into an off shore account first. But I think it will be typical trump that he will renege on it.

Time and time again Trump proved that he doesn't give a shit about the US. It's all about amassing power and paying back Russia for finacial favors. But of course, because of the GOP the general public is required to have stone cold proof for that and even then the GOP will very likey just laugh and keep destroying the US, because they share the very same values as Putin of personally benefitting from chaos and destruction and ruling over what remains.

[quote]Facts are your friends! Largest Fentanyl drug bust just made at a CHECKPOINT!

Not as big as the drug busts that aren't happening because there is no wall!!!

[quote]Mueller moves at his own pace.

Which often is timed to when Air Force One takes off for another continent.

[quote]Ultimately the phone call doesn't matter though, right? Because unless there's a recording of it there'd be no proof of what the call was about.

Of course there are recordings. And Individual-1 know about them and what's on them.

There is no other explanation for that bizarre propaganda campaign that Obama was spying on the campaign.

And the general public is going to have to get over their stupid habit of thinking that the GOP gives a shit about them. And Democrats are going to have to be very blunt about this in 2020. These people hate you. Why do you keep voting for them? What makes you think that any Republican President, or Senator, or Representative actually gives a fuck about you. What in the past 30 years gives you that impression?

R323 - Trump is supposedly planning an anti-abortion statement in his State of the Union speech. There's suppose to be an anti-abortion activist he'll call out in the audience too.

That stunt will go down well with Miss Pelosi and the Dems.

[quote]Fox and the entire right-wing media consortium has been taken over the last few days with accusations that Democrats are for "infanticide."

That's so interesting. So has a homosexualist-leaning discussion forum I frequent.

Does the infanticide/abortion thing have to do with the Bill that Northram signed?

I didn't even realize he was the same Governor as the KKK photo governor... seems odd that both of these things came out at the same time.

[quote] Fox and the entire right-wing media consortium has been taken over the last few days with accusations that Democrats are for "infanticide."

Pushing buttons is all they do. Manipulating their audience to get the desired reaction and action from them.

okay, there seriously has to be some woman who had an abortion paid for by Donald Trump. Now's your time, honey, Sing Out Louise!

Oh my!

R331 the iPhone Facetime bug would have been useful here.

Oh, Deutsche Bank!

Abortion will be a topic of discussion.

[quote]okay, there seriously has to be some woman who had an abortion paid for by Donald Trump. Now's your time, honey, Sing Out Louise!

Does it count if it was Ivanka?

The good pillsh ish coming back to the White Houshe!

I really hope Abrams talks about the missing kids at the border if that pos dares mention abortion!

Here's Ivanka, in Lindsey's office.

That autumn leaf sofa again.

[quote]I really hope Abrams talks about the missing kids at the border if that pos dares mention abortion!

And about all Rethugs who railed against abortion rights but secretly forced or paid for their mistresses to 'fix that little problem".

Per-leeze! Like Trump is actually pro-life. Dear God, this is THE last ditch effort to keep his mouth-breathing base happy since they’re not getting their fucking wall.

[quote]okay, there seriously has to be some woman who had an abortion paid for by Donald Trump.

Rick Wilson has long maintained there's a number of them ... but all have been silenced by an NDA.

It will be interesting when Muellers report comes out....Pecker knows all the dirt on Trump and helped cover up tons of affairs and abortions. Even if not prosecutable, they will probably be referenced to show a pattern in other things that are chargeable.

Trump begged Marla to abort Tiffany.

If any idiot falls for this new anti-abortion push amid all the shit going down there is no hope for them. Pres Bone Spurs does not give one fuck about that issue and is using it as yet another diversion tactic. repugs position on that issue has not changed so why mention it now? Because it works on these idiots. Yet fuck that baby once it is born and we need to keep saying that. I know so many anti-abortion people who give lip service to caring about the kid once it is born but they ALWAYS blame the parents. I always say you're right to blame the parents but they shouldn't have had the kid because maybe they knew they are horrible parents.

[quote]Trump begged Marla to abort Tiffany.

Is that rumor or has she spoken about this? Cuz if there’s an actual attributable quote, we need to plaster the Internet with it.

[quote]Trump begged Marla to abort Tiffany.

You mean she didn't?

Off topic but, every. Single. FUCKING. Person I know who got an abortion belonged to ,"the Church". Truth.

We need to find the missing kids from the border. They were ripped away from their parents and thrown into cages like animals.

There has to be something that the average person can do. They need to be making a fuss. There needs to be a movement to find all the missing kids and reunite the ones in animal cages with their families.

Is violating an NDA all that important? Suppose some woman (ideally, women) who had an abortion for Trump comes forward. She tells all and we have genuine proof of hypocrisy. Do we think he'd have time to demand they pay back whatever they got? If he does, that should also be exposed. There isn't any sort of legal penalty these ladies would face, is there?

Thank you r362. I felt good reading that.

Richard Painter Twitter

Wilbur Ross & Cyprus perhaps?

Was Kim Davis the Uber driver?

She needs a steady job.

r369 Great, Mike, because no one respects you. You're a horrendous hypocritical Christian. I suspect, like most repugs, you're a sociopath.

And Chris Christie can fuck right off. How and why did he throw is lot in with Pres Bone Spurs? Christie knows what a criminal he is yet he was on his team and would still be if not for Jared.

r360....not a rumor....in fact, he refused to marry Marla or acknowledge Tiffany until a paternity test was taken, This from a pig who fucks his whores raw.....

Christie said in one of his appearances this week (Morning Joe?) that he still supports Trump's policies.

Character, integrity, competence, mental stability doesn't matter, All that matters is tax cuts, SCOTUS, fundie judges, sabotage of ACA, social security, education, women's rights, etc.

From r369

"We can be proud of

you governor Huckabee

Thank you for your honest service to this country"

R362, thanks for that article. I love procedural sleight of hand, and it's always heartening to have it go our way for once.

Brava, Nancy!

Chris Christie is going to be on Real Time next week.

R371, did you catch the tepid, if any, response on Late Night with Colbert? Christie made an ass out of himself to a degree I always thought him capable of. He looked like he was sneaking them out between his fat ass cheeks the whole time. He's an appallingly unappealing human being who shouldn't even be considered for town rat catcher.

R372, the outright gall of this pig trying to regulate women's bodies is beyond arrogant and outrageous and proves he's psychotic and dangerous. That fat, disgraceful excuse for a human being, his ugly wife and the whole crazy ass family all need to be aborted from our lives yesterday.

r377 No, I will not give him my time. I do not care what he has to say about anything. Whatever comes out of his mouth is likely a lie and even if not, I am sick of his ilk. Even though I suspect Colbert (and Maher) did and will come at him with tough questions, I am over listening to those on the right. They've sold us out for conservatism. They are monsters. They are sociopaths. I cannot stomach listening to their spin and lies.

I had to tune it out when they went to commercial. Christie is repulsive. Not a peep from the crowd when he entered. The band had to play it loud to cover. It was a thing of beauty.

r379 That is good to hear. The last 2 years has really cemented just how immoral and corrupt the repugs are. They know the vast majority of people are liberal when asked about each issue. Issue by issue, when you spell out the true positions of each party, without the bullshit like "we're are pro-military", people are with the Democrats. Even white males. When I hear dumbass repugs say shit like "our party is for a strong defense, pro-military, pro-family" I always ask WTF does that even mean. I am sick of their bullshit. They've shown themselves who they really are and it is depressing though not all that surprising. I held out hope they would truly put country over party/ideology when it mattered. They are such a dark group of people.

Everyone who owns or works for Fox deserve a terrible, painful future.

I hope it starts with them being forced to watch the Roger Ailes miniseries on Showtime starring Russell Crowe.

As you said, issue by issue, the majority are liberal...so why in the world do they vote Republican?

Rosie, don't be so timid.

r383 Propaganda and platitudes. Many are culturally conservative. Many don't understand their views are in line with the Democrats.

Honestly, r383, I think it's because Democrats have tried to be Republican Lite for too long. Democrats need to stop that shit, and I think many are. This will be a much more progressive, frankly leftist primary. And it will be a good thing.

R386 No, it won't. It will alienate more people. Republicans are running on Racism not conservatism, if you haven't noticed.

No it won't r387. Most people actually get that this country has gone way too right. Most people don't worship the rich and think tax cuts for rich fucks are the be all, end all of government. Most people actually agree with health care for all. Most want the minimum wage raised. Most reject the propaganda that only the rich know how to rule us and we all just need to submit to their wise government. People actually do get it. Republican Government sucks ass and has for 50 years.

R388 Seeing as how obnoxious the Bernie Bros are. Yes it will.

Fine, bitch, live there, in 2016. What about the Warren Bros, and the Harris Bros, and the De Blasio Bros, and the Brown Bros, and the, and the, and the ...

The Left is ready. And I think the country will come along. We will have an actual Leftist alternative in 2020. Rejoice.

time to put a stake in Reaganomics.

R390 Since Bernie is still around, his Bernie Bros will rear their ugly heads. The Dems can't seem to get rid of this recurrent tumor!

oh fuck, let it go. Bernie gets to run, like everyone gets to run. We will actually deal with this in, you know, the caucuses and primaries. It is not a crime to run for the Democratic Party Nomination. Grab your own pussy, keep it tight, and move the fuck on!

R391 Left talks big. Promises even bigger. But still too chicken to get a party of their own. Also get someone who doesn't look like he's a walking corpse to be your leader next time.

Um, the Left has a Party. We just need to remind ourselves. There was a time when the Democratic Party was Left. It will be again. Hey, why does the Right never have this debate?

R394 Duh. He's not a Democrat. Go fuck off and be Independent! Oh and he's a rich con-man, too!

R396 Because the Right sold out to its evil fringe, which the Dems will never do. Go away, leftist fringe!

Bernie will have little to no traction this time around. Hes lost a lot of support. His supporters are taking a bashing on social media also. And the elephant in the room....if any charges come down exposing Russian influence, Bernie will have an awful lot of questions to answer....especially regarding Tad Devine and certain events Bernie blew off as accidental.

gee, R397, not that you care, because you are a loyal cunt serving the Rich, but it does not have to be Bernie. It may be Warren. It may be Kamala Harris. But yes, Bernie gets to run as a Democrat. We will figure it out, while you figure out how to be a more loyal cunt for the Wealthy.

No, Bernie does not get to run as a Democrat. One of the very first rules passed when Perez took over was that if you run as a Democrat, you must be a declared Democrat....and not just in order to run for office so you can switch back after.

R400 The Bernie Left hates women! They will never go for Kamala or Warren! LMAO

oh good lord. everyone stop focusing on the shit that does not matter. Bernie is totally going to run as a Democrat. If you hate that shit, don't vote for him. We will actually figure this shit out. It will happen.

And if you prefer Warren or Harris, vote for them.

I don't know what Maher is trying to prove but having Ann Coulter on his show, and now Chris Christie?And this past Friday some asshole Republican Congressman from Texas? Fuck that. I don't need to hear what they think, or how they feel, or their ridiculous justifications for why they support the Republican agenda. They are despicable, Unamerican,pieces of shit and they need to go.

WTF are they thinking, that they can keep denying the American people their rights and freedoms and remedies, while they enrich themselves and a small number of rich people? Fuck them. We need healthcare, educational opportunities, our infrastructure upgraded. We don't even have decent, clean drinking water in most of our major cities.

Where are they going with their agenda? How will it play out for the rest of us? Fuck them. I intend to run their asses out of every single public office they're holding. WE need to organize and stick together and not allow bullshit and pettiness to divide us.They exploit our weaknesses because they have nothing to offer us, yet they count on winning by dividing us.

Maher likes having conservatives on his show, to argue with. That is not a trauma. There is no reason to be upset by that. So what?

R403 People didn't vote for Bernie in 2016, but that never stopped the moaning and whining from the Bernie Bros. Guessing they didn't get the message they are not wanted by the Dem majority!

I just want to add that nothing has changed since everyone, including the Republican pundits like Steve Schmidt, Bill Kristol, George Will, etc. all were telling people to vote for the Democrats. Not one fucking thing has changed. Instead things are worse with Trump fucking up trade deals and breaking our treaties and reneging on commitments. We are fucking isolated and weaker today than we were a year ago. And it will get worse. We cannot allow that man to get re-elected.Period. The Republicans have been taken over by a racist cult of bastards.

Trump has turned racism upside down into white victimization. Of course, this has been a trend in the culture for a while, but Trump turned it into a viable political statement! If you're called racist, you're being victimized for being white and/or Christian! And of course, misogyny also turns into male victimization.

Exactly R409.

It's going to be interesting once the "Won't somebody please think of the poor defenseless white man?" mentality dies down. Just how many more decades do we think that one can last?

[quote] Most people actually get that this country has gone way too right. Most people don't worship the rich and think tax cuts for rich fucks are the be all, end all of government. Most people actually agree with health care for all. Most want the minimum wage raised.

Gee, wouldn't it be great if most of those people were adult American citizens registered to vote, and aware that they are the employers of legislators, the voters are the ones who hire and fire? Or is the problem that most of those people are in the urban areas and not in the rural precincts, or those people who get that the country's gone far too much to the right are the ones the far-right want to suppress?

[quote] Bernie will have an awful lot of questions to answer....especially regarding Tad Devine and certain events Bernie blew off as accidental.

I have a feeling he'll just pull the Drumpf card... act bewildered and say it was everyone else, not him! He didn't know anything!

If no Bernie, then there's no Jane moving down the aisle at rallies to the sound of Simon and Garfunkel. She was an old hippie too.

R411 It won't go away because it all goes back to the Christian victim mentality. Racists, misogynists and homophobes cling to the Church because it allows them the moral cover of being the victim for their "faith"!

Here is something I think about. In the run up to the primaries before the midterms, the local Republican parties at the direction of the national RNC, were attempting to influence the Democratic choice by encouraging support for the primary candidate who was too far to the left, with the hope that in the general election, the Republican would look more attractive compared to a Leftist.

In the event the Far Left Democrat was elected, it was hoped they would be disruptive and too ideologically extreme and would cause problems for the Democratic Caucus in Congress. Now, they are attempting the same thing with Presidential candidates by encouraging and supporting anyone who will divide the Democrats.

They are underhanded about this and never do it upfront, but it's as if history is repeating itself. Just look at the Nixon campaign and the Democratic primaries leading up to 1972. Back then it was called "dirty tricks" or "rat fucking" or WTFever. My point is, don't let the Republicans chose our candidate. Don't be fooled by Schultz or Bernie. Or Biden.

And the argument that we have to find someone who can appeal to the white people in Florida, Pennsylvania Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan is bullshit. I'm not going to chose a national candidate who appeals to 78,000 voters. Hillary won the popular vote. We just have to make sure our election is fair without any fraud. We have to deal with voter suppression.

And we have to make our case. We are correct in what we stand for. It is what people want. We just have to message more effectively. We talked about healthcare in 2018 and it was very effective. We have to pick two or three key issues and hammer them home. The candidate should be someone with an inclusive messaage.

When the pundits talk about the "poor white people felt ignored" it's bullshit. It was racism pure and simple, effectively exploited by Republicans that caused those voters to turn their backs on Democrats to vote for Trump and his ilk. Translation: Be Republican Lite. We have to find the balance.

Isn't it funny how a Democratic candidate is always supposed to somehow appeal to Conservatives yet a Republican candidate isn't ever expected to appeal to Democrats?

We outnumber them.

R417 OMFG YESSSSSSSS! I HATE how Democrats always feel pressured and bullied to "not be too left" meanwhile right wingers can be as backwards and bigoted and outdated as they want and that's seen as "standard" aka OK

Since we're on the topic of Bernie and other extremist candidates, I came across an scientific article published in 2015 that analyzes what the effect that extremist candidates have on the general election in toss up House races. On average, when a more extreme candidate (measured by campaign donors and roll call votes if applicable) wins a primary over a more moderate candidate, then that party's general-election vote share decreases by about 9–13 percentage points, and the probability that the party wins the seat decreases by 35–54 percentage points. This means that if the GOP runs an extreme, far right candidate then independent voters and moderate Republicans are more likely to break for the moderate Democratic candidate instead.

The article is really fascinating and a must read heading into 2020, especially since it also discusses the long term effect of running an extremist candidate due to the increased probability of reelection due to the incumbency advantage.

R418 It's not a wrong strategy without all the cheating by the Republicans. The most votes are in the center and the deciding swing votes are the moderate independent voters. What the Trumpies did in 2016 was get the Russians to sway enough independent voters to fall for Trump's ruse and the stupid media also helped suppress the votes by making Hillary seem like a sure thing while at the same time normalizing Trump and jumping on every stupid Republican talking points without refuting them.

I find it a bit amusing that basically everything the liberal side is fighting for is apparently ULTRA leftist communism. The Right Wing Pundits and the GOP are such drama queens who scream bloody murder about every single proposal from the Democratic Party. And yet they kiss up to Putin like he shits gold and money.

And it looks like they are bringing up once again skanky, slutty whores using abortion as birth control. And we let them control our attention by listening to the pundits and the Republican Party about their bullshit and reward them and the right wing media media with our attention.

R422 because they've figured out exaggeration and outright lying to scare their base works. Fear motivates repub voters.

Christie has been all over the TV this past week. And everybody has been hitting him with tough questions. Colbert did it with a smile, but yeah, he was hard. Some pundit posed the theory that Christie isn't going to primary Trump, but he's going to primary a President Pence after Trump is impeached. Pence won't be a popular candidate due to the "kook" factor. I'm not sure that's what Christie is angling for. He might be angling to be Pence's VP.

It would be nice if the eventual Democratic Presidential primary candidate had a plan for dealing with rural poverty.

As some one who grew up in a poor rural area and still has family there I remember watching an interview with O’Malley in 2016 where he was asked about rural poverty and he answered about inner city poverty. That made me wince.

It doesn’t need to be one of the top talking points, but at least please let there be a position paper on the website.

I wanna suck Matt Whitaker's big, fat cock.

^^^The Senatrice

Christy nor Trump have a conscience and they never care what is right or wrong. They really just don't care.

Christie enacted bail reform in NJ. It's one of the issues he and Cory Booker agreed on.

R425, I agree it needs to be part of the inequality plank. Rural and smaller cities that have been left behind by the coastal juggernauts. Dems usually speak about things like job training but apparently that is not enough.

[quote]I'm not sure that's what Christie is angling for. He might be angling to be Pence's VP.

Christie is running for POTUS, not Pence's VP. In one of the interviews he directly said it's the only job he would be after.

The whole tenet of Christie's current PR is, Trump surrounded himself with bad people giving him bad advice but Trump himself is fine. His goal is to blame everyone else - mainly Jared for obvious reasons -- but Trump. Trump got talked into the family separation by Sessions, he trusted Flynn, blah blah excuses.

And much like with Trump, Christie always puts the blame on someone else. And his ego is as gigantic.

We need another Felony Friday. Those days are always so cheerful.

Miz Lindz showboating? Nawh, she wouldn't do that, would she?

Washington Post:

A watershed moment’: Trump faces crossroads amid mounting threats on all sides

Thanks for the Washington Post article. Trump didn't mind Christie's book, but he's not happy about some of Christie's comments on the media tour. That lines up with what NJ News said, that Christie's comments on the tour were harsher than what was said in the book. And the Post article confirms that Kushner is in complete control. Mulvaney isn't even trying to control Trump.

Damnit, why do I have to be making pitchers of cranberry vodka punch for those damn pee girls? And when that sashaying bitch comes back from sucking up to the boss on the golf course, I have to make those fucking mint juleps just for her.

The baker and bartender both just had to call in sick this morning.and forcing me to do double duty.

Yeah, the Post article pretty good. Thanks r434.

I think Christie is enjoying his status as a celebrity. He's out here selling his book and giving his opinions and his "analysis" and he is dropping some gossip here and there. I doubt he'd want to go back into the arena. He might run for office again. Maybe as a Senator from New Jersey like Rick Scott, but I don't see him doing a national campaign again. He's making money right now and he's famous. What else is there. LOL!

I. Can't imagine that New Jersey would even elect him for Dog Catcher.

Like Kellyanne, Christie must not be permitted to walk away from this with credibility and/or celebrity.

Some day Christy will be caught in his criminal ways and go to prison.

Does Mueller actually go after women? I wish he would.

Citing multiple in-person episodes, intelligence officials say Trump displays what one called “willful ignorance” when presented with analyses generated by America’s $81 billion-a-year intelligence services. The officials, who include analysts who prepare Trump’s briefs and the briefers themselves, describe futile attempts to keep his attention by using visual aids, confining some briefing points to two or three sentences, and repeating his name and title as frequently as possible.

What is most troubling, say these officials and others in government and on Capitol Hill who have been briefed on the episodes, are Trump’s angry reactions when he is given information that contradicts positions he has taken or beliefs he holds. Two intelligence officers even reported that they have been warned to avoid giving the President intelligence assessments that contradict stances he has taken in public.

Neither surprising nor especially disappointing. We have a spoiled brat for a president.

[quite]We cannot allow that man to get re-elected.Period. The Republicans have been taken over by a racist cult of bastards

Trump may be elected but he won’t be president.

He will be assassinated. Along with McConnell, Pence and the rest of the pirates.

This is what Putin wants.

Putin wants to prove that there is nothing special about America - that our government is an antiquated pipe dream with no basis in reality - that America is as rotten as the rest of the world.

He wants not only the chaos, but the humiliation and mostly, then, the destruction of our credibility.

For America to annihilate its own leaders and then eat each other is what Putin most desires.

This is why we MUST handle this at the ballot box.

Deutsche Bank is approaching a great collapse. Germany needs to stop propping up this criminal org.

"Slow Burn" the podcast was great. Thank to whomever recommended it here.

It really is just like Watergate.

Junior Mints can't recognize his own absurdity? When's that indictment and gag order coming?

Anthony Cormier and Jason Leopold from BuzzFeed Need — will they turn out to be our generation's Woodward and Bernstein?

BuzzFeed *News

[quote]The whole tenet of Christie's current PR is, Trump surrounded himself with bad people giving him bad advice but Trump himself is fine.

Desperately weak tactic. The cretin Trump is supposedly 'a stable genius' who only hires 'the best people.' Yet he also has his cheap fame for firing people, and has often done so while 'POTUS.'

So he has no judgement in picking staff. It takes intelligence to recognise intelligence, and Trump has none. The buck always and manifestly stops with him. Fish rots from the head, etcetera. No one of sound mind would buy such feeble shameful PR.

I'm fantasizing hearing boos and hisses at the SOTU.

Recall Dan Quayle referring to DJT as a "weird droopy bitch"?

Barbara McQuade on Twitter

Fux Faux News: knives come out for Ann Cuntler

We should open a Political Blog for the masses. Fuck. We were the ones who spotted Tulsi for the Russian troll that she is. When are we gonna get some credit for our genius????WHEN??? We theorize about shit, post our theories, and weeks later they're stolen and appear on some pundit's blog. How many times will we see our words quoted without attribution on Maddow or Chris Hayes????IS there no justice in this world? At long last, have they no decency??????

Donald would flip his shit if he was surrounded by boos. Better make it boos and laughter.

R458 and drop pigs blood on him.

R459, now that would be genius.

He will get plenty of cheers from the sociopaths in the repug party. He would not care about boos from our side.

It is going to be sweet seeing Nancy Pelosi or as I like to call her, Nancy, behind him. He will try to attack her in all likely hood or he will reveal his brilliant nickname?

R425 your lips to Cher's ears, but does it matter?

[quote]Yet he also has his cheap fame for firing people, and has often done so while 'POTUS.'

I don't believe he has looked one person in the eye and said "You're fired."

He is much too weak a person to do that.

He had his personal goon drive a you're-fired LETTER for Comey to the fucking FBI visitor center.

Chris Christie will never be president. He is so obese It's obvious he has no discipline. He's also a wannabe mob boss so fuggedaboudit lying fattie.

Fox has a new contributor trying to attack Mueller. Anyone heard of Sidney Powell? She's a former federal attorney who's trying to prove the DOJ is corrupt with a dumbass book about how Enron was unfairly treated and "they're doing the same to Trump". I expect her to become more of a thing this year, like how Hillary's old stalkers Joseph DiGenova and Victoria Toensing were last year.

Dump used his "celebrity" cult of personality to cheat his way with Putin into the highest office in the nation.

Taylor Swift's celebrity status helped her sway the midterms in Tennessee for Democrats.

Probably too soon to tell but any thoughts on how other celebrities and their endorsements will affect the 2020 election?

My Fox-loving father started talking out of the blue about how "Anderson" was treated unfairly, and I finally figured out he was talking about Enron. He believes everything Fox puts out.

R465 Enron was mistreated? Wow Powell is a vile bitch! Over 29,000 employees lives ruined yet Bush, Cheney and Rove profited.

Enron was treated unfairly?!? Jesus Christ, these idiots will believe anything.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, pure evil. Never trust Powell about anything.

R469 You know, Jesus Christ is the gateway drug. If you can believe that "Son of God" existed as the cults will tell you, then there's a lot more fake stories Fox News can sell you.

Christie can't get to a grease fire and cannonball into it fast enough. President? Fuck that grotesque beast. Didn't he have stomach surgery to help him lose weight and the fucker didn't? Yea, no fucking discipline whatsoever. Lying, corrupt, immoral garbage like the rest of the repugs.

No doubt he is angling for something with this performance he is carrying on. I still cannot fathom why he hitched his wagon to the most corrupt, dirty "businessman" ever since his schtick was portraying himself as the opposite. You know, he was supposed to have "integrity" and hated all the things Pres Bone Spurs is.

Is there ONE clean repug? Is there ONE repug who isn't a sociopath?

We haven't heard much from Marco Rubio these days. Is he sleazy?

When doing "dog & pony" shows to brief Ole Spurs, presenters need to narrate using real pee pee girls to keep his undivided attention.

Christie, Giuliani, Trump, they're all connected to the same mobsters and oligarchs. Christie is like one of those criminal defense attorneys who only has mafia clients. People make a big deal out of Rudy because he busted John Gotti. But Rudy was working with the Russian mob all along. Right now he has contracts for "security consulting" from Russian oligarchs. There's a cabal, andI honestly believe that because they overreached by installing Trump in the White House, all their dirt is going to be exposed. Now Rudy might not give a fuck because he's old, and he can delay things for years with legal tactics. But the Russians don't like this level of exposure. I'm waiting for people to have accidents.

Maryland Governor, Larry Hogan, is contemplating running for national office. Could this Republican be convinced to challenge Trump in 2020?

Trump has over 80% approval among the Republican base. Even if that base is smaller now, nobody is going to primary him.

R477 Republicans can't win without independent voters who now mostly sway towards the Democrat. So the "base" might stick with him, but they won't get him a second term.

What is the real relationship between Roger Stone and Kristin M. Davis, known as the Manhattan Madam? Business partners? Client? Swinging? Romance? Co-ops in political trickery? Just friends? They shared an apartment together in NYC. They've known each other many years.

I've never heard the background or the motive for the association fully explained.

Sort of off-topic, but Alec Baldwin is too thin to play Trump these days. When Alec Baldwin isn't fat enough to play you, you know you’ve got a problem.

Figures r465. Every political operative in the White House, in Congress, in a lobbying outfit, on TV, is a complete and utter whore for the Rich. Of course they think Enron was treated unfairly. The only "fair" treatment for the rich is complete abasement and servitude, in their minds.

I can not believe Trump will be in the race. Deplorables will vote for him and there is nothing we can do about idiots. Why are we constantly worried about idiots?

Sorry if I missed this but has it been established that Frump switched from a concrete to "steelslats" wall because he struck a deal with a Russher steelslats Oligarch?

[quote] Why are we constantly worried about idiots?

Because of the harm they cause us. They're not just on the 'other side,' they count among the people we need to vote for the greater good, thinking it's fine and okay if they alone cast a vote for a third party, to show how pure they are as change agitators.

The far right will show up to vote for Trump no matter what. The question is moderate Republicans who held their nose and voted for anyone but Hillary... what will they do when Hillary isn't the candidate? Or the Trump voters who normally sat out elections until Trump excited them.... are they still excited after watching the tariffs screw with their jobs? Or how about the Trump voters who previously voted for Obama? How's Trump working out for them? Who stays home and who shows up to vote?

And if there is an election where neither Hillary or Trump are the nominees, what happens then?

R485 The real question is whether the Republicans will continue to collude with Russia. When the election process is compromised so badly by cheating and criminal conspiracy, there is no point in analyzing the vote counts or even the candidates.

Thats why all of the bills being passed regarding Voters Rights are useless unless they demand a paper ballot. Thats the only way to fix the mess. Its harder to tamper with a vote when theres a paper trail.

Ann Coulter is a pundit. She holds no political office. Trump listening to her rather than Congressional figures and seasoned people in government, shows DJT's stupidity, not hers. Fox News attacking her only elevates her notoriety. She'll sell more books and increase her speaking fees. She profits from delivering "shock" and inflaming emotions, right and left.

Dump: 60% unstructured "executive time" since midterms

The Trump administration has given approval for private agencies that receive state funds, to discriminate against LGBT couples regarding foster care and adoption based on religious objections.

Religion, more and more is being used by the Trump-Pence administration to undermine LGBT rights. They are appointing right-wing judges who will to uphold discrimination based on religious objections.

More on this.

And how many gays voted and still support this asshole? Grease fires aren't bad enough for these traitors.

I find it funny that people are complaining about Trump having 5 hours of "executive time" every day. Fuck, make it 24 hours until the end of his presidency. It's one thing to be incompetent, but he's doing heavy damage to everything this country represents.

I say - Keep him away from the controls as much as possible!!!

He needs to be bombarded with his own tweets from when Obama was President....hes guilty of every single thing he accused Obama of...and worse.

Not just Obama. He’s guilty of pretty much every accusation he’s ever hurled at anyone. Projection.

It doesn't matter whether or not any Republicans are willing to challenge Trump. He's the incumbent POTUS. He will win re nomination. Unless he has been impeached tried and thrown out. So all the talk about challenging him is bullshit. The money and the people propping him up will never allow someone else to take his nomination away from him. All the romantic notions of Republicans "rising up" coming to their senses and opposing him are fairytales. Absurd.

r496 You're right with the last sentence. They will not rise up because they are a cult of sociopaths.

The RNC has already decided they're not going to Primary him. He's their guy.

R498 They will go down with this ship! This party of Rats will not flee the sinking ship! That's good news. Get rid of them all at once.

There was an article last year talking about how Ann Coulter's liberal friends no longer invited her to dinners. I think she was just looking for an excuse to turn on him.

Good riddance. Who'd want her over for dinner -- in either sense.

Trump uses Ann Coulter as an excuse to stick to the wall nonsense for distraction purposes. It's all about the optics. He looks for those who affirm his already made decision or opinion.

President Shitgibbon has his annual physical this week.

Any guesses what his declared weight will be? (we all know he's at least 300 and change.)

And are any of the news outlets reporting on the fact that Dr. Feelgood is coming back to the WH?

Big surprise.

225. He’s lost a few.

I wonder how much time Mueller will need to sift through the terabytes of Roger Stones confiscated data. Hopefully, some of that treasure trove will be used to nail Trump and company.

On MSNBC today, someone was saying that Mueller already had all this data and it’s just a matter of looking for new stuff. Not sure if that’s true, but it might be.

Mueller never interviewed Stone.

Likewise he doesn't need to interview Trump.

Mueller has the goods.

[quote]Frump switched from a concrete to "steelslats" wall because he struck a deal with a Russher steelslats Oligarch?

Steel = China.

No....Trump HAS BEEN giving contracts to Russian steel companies. Remember how he said he was going to only use American steel for the Keystone Pipeline ?.....within a few days he issued an exception and awarded the contract to a Russian company. Im sure the same will go with the Wall.

Couple things. I remember being pissed off about Flynn's charges being so light. And then the repeated delays in sentencing. I've also noticed in some of the morfe recent indictments the charges were light. Seemed incomplete. I'm wondering if Mueller didn't want to give away his game plan, because he is still working on the bigger fish. So it won't surprise me if he adds to the charges against Flynn, and indicts him with more stuff. If he went after him for everything too soon, he'd have to share what he has with Flynn's lawyers as part of the Discovery phase, and that would tip off others and possibly result in the destruction of evidence.

^^^link^^^^

r511....thats exactly it.....when the time comes, we will see all the names from this rogues gallery again.

Trump golfed with Tiger Woods again. WTF is wrong with Tiger Woods?

R514 Let me guess... they share tips on how to cheat and of course, pussy grabbing.

Of course Trump will re renominated. He's a cunt, and it's a pro-cunt party. What do we imagine Republicunts don't love about Trump? The question is Who will we nominate, and why?

[quote]We need to find the missing kids from the border. They were ripped away from their parents and thrown into cages like animals.

I think it's clear those kids weren't thrown into detention centers.

R514 Dotard Frump can lolligag around golfing with Tiger Woods when we are in the MIDDLE OF A NATIONAL ***EMERGENCY***?!?

i hope we get something big this week.

i want to see don jr squirm

and jared's been quite lately

quiet lately

[quote]Trump golfed with Tiger Woods again.

Trump doubtless made sure to verify Tiger's birth certificate first. Trump's fine friends in the KKK will though still take a very dim view.

I agree, Elder Lez, about addressing rural poverty. I drive through eastern Kentucky quite often - big Trump country. In many ways, I can understand why they voted for him. The coasts are having a big party and nobody invited them - they get Richer and richer while aunt Bertha dies of an overdose in her rotted double wide. Why not vote for the candidate that makes the coasts lose their shit? You know he's not going to do anything for you, but at least they'll be miserable too.

Hillary Clinton had an entire workable policy on her platform devoted to rural poverty. Unlike Trump, unlike Bernie Sanders. But... She’s female; she’ll never get credit for it.

Fuck off, Trump apologist at R522.

R523 The dysfunctional media sure ignored it but loved those emails!

Steel = China

I agree with r522. In addition we need to hit hard at helping the poor and middle class by rebuilding our infrastructure and providing truly affordable health care. We need to tax the wealthy more and cut back on military spending. We also need to fine the hell out of those who employ illegal immigrants.

[quote]We also need to fine the hell out of those who employ illegal immigrants.

Has even one ever gone to jail?

[quote] I agree with [R522].

So then by turn you must also agree that it was great that Hillary Clinton addressed exactly this, in fine detail, in regards to rural communities. And therefore your narrative that we need politicians who do this means you wholeheartedly defended Clinton against Russian propaganda and misogynist smears in 2016, and that you will try again to do so on behalf on real progressiveness like Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton in 2019 - as opposed to hypocritical, Manafort-implicated millionaires like Bernie Sanders - in the build up to the primary?

Or, nah, you can't be bothered because you are a sock puppet spewing "Bernie woooooonnnn" and "pooooooor white men" all the way from your Veles cubicle. You fucking ASSHOLE.

FUCK you.

R530 - I think R522 isn’t a trump supporter - but pointing out why trump won in areas that feel completely disenfranchised.

This is truly the danger that comes when the markers of a country’s prosperity’s are all geared towards economic. That the coasts and big cities do so well skews the figures and neglects the folks not sharing in all that largesse.

And we all know that Hillary did have plans to help and would have been the best candidate for these people. But did they get to hear that message? Nope! It’s complex and takes time - and they were bombarded with simple slogans and lies via the GOP propaganda network - Fox! And as long as this bullshit is allowed to go on and pollute the airwaves - then it’s almoat impossible to overcome.

You have to remember the GOP is good at playing dirty. They’re relentless and have been planning this for years - it wasn’t something that happened overnight. They’ve laid the foundations of misinformation for decades. And they’ve employed some of the best minds in the country to get the psychology just right - the perfect amount of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, Christianity and patriotism - they know how to work these people!

When it comes down to it - Rupert Murdoch and his many and varied organisations are as big a threat to the west as Putin.

Well said, r531!

And r530, I voted for Hillary and cried when she lost. Bernie lost me when he didn't expand from his stump speech (which I agreed with) and his lack of accomplishments after decades in the house and senate.

R531 articulates very well what I think.

The unfortunate truth is that a lot of people don't care for well laid out plans that are presented to them. They are conditioned to gravitate toward loudmouted snake oil salesmen who insist they have an INSTANT cure for everything qhich they are more than willing to share if their demands are met (money, power, etc.).

It's like with losing weight. If you want to lose weight you can either go on a diet, change your eating habits, and work out and be aware of the basic formular of burning more calories than you consume (in order to lose weight) and in a couple of months you will the first real results. Or you can buy some revolutionary product that will melt all these extra pounds, you carry in your stomach and waist area, away and since it costs so much it simply must be working and you will look great within weeks.

[quote] and in a couple of months you will SEE the first real results.

Totally R533 Good hearted liberals consider the situation of the 'forgotten ones' very thoughtfully and feel they can be re-educated to see the light. But they already see their light and it's Trump with his ugly world view which they share. They are lost. As with the UK's embarrassing Brexit, many in favor of the cause are those who will be its victims, but they prefer it that way . I won't waste my time on people who hate us' libtards' and don't care about their own well-being, but I'm mightily pissed off that their depressing view of the world is ruining it.

"President Donald Trump plans to use Tuesday night’s State of the Union address to promise an end to the HIV epidemic in America, four individuals with knowledge of the planned remarks told POLITICO.

Under Trump’s 10-year strategy, health officials would target the U.S. communities with the most HIV infections and work to reduce transmissions by 2030. The strategy has been championed by top health officials, including HHS Secretary Alex Azar and CDC Director Robert Redfield."

The head of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, in opposing Redfield's appointment to the CDC, pointed out that Redfield has in the past supported mandatory HIV testing, reporting of positive HIV results to public health authorities without the patient's consent, and quarantining of HIV-positive individuals in the military.

R536, now Trump and his administration all of a sudden care about HIV? Has someone told Mike Pence and Mother yet? Because Pence oversaw an HIV epidemic in Indiana during his governorship that he effectively created.

This will go nowhere and will be forgotten by the White House as soon as Trump’s SOTU “reviews” come in. Mark my words on that.

So where the fuck is Beto? Is he even thinking of running anymore? Maybe he shouldn't, looks like Kamala Harris might have stole a lot of his thunder already.

Horrible things are happening to ruin our country and Mueller just keeps dragging his feet. He could of arrested Roger Stone months ago. He could have arrested Junior months ago, yet he just sets on his hands, why?

R538 / R539

R538 / R539 is the "Why isn't Muller wrapping it all up?!" troll. Block accordingly.

Did you miss the lesson on the past perfect at American Language School, Boris? It's "could have" not "could of."

How is Northam NOT resigning? Fucking insane entitlement.

Northam's a selfish bastard; cares more about his political career than what is good for his state or country.

And he's a liar too.

But what else do you expect in the Age of Trump?

How is Trump NOT resigning ? Fucking insane entitlement.

Exactly r544.

Agreed, R544, but Trump is oblivious to all decency. Northam must be the same.

Yeah, I see how that works.

Beto's busy doing Kerouac road trip thing, searching the universe to see if he's the chosen one.

Kind of over him.

"Lindsey Graham needs to go."

SC Democrats

Fiddle Dee Dee.... certainly I'll be in a Cabinet position by then, R548!

Lindsey Graham is such a prissy little CUNT.

^She wants to be Secretary of Defense or State. However, she won't get much support from Democrats after her hissy-fit over Kavanaugh whereby she personally attacked Democratic Senators. Also, she supported a shut-down and is with Trump on a declaration of Emergency. As head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, she's fighting any investigation related to Trump, and instead wants to again investigate HRC Emails, Benghazi, Obama doing surveillance (already disproven), the fbi/Dept. of Justice, FiSA warrants, etc.

Turn SC blue.

Lindsey Graham is acting like a woman who has been compromised. Occam's Razor.

Too early for stud Cunningham to run for Senate?

Joe Cunningham

Wall Street Journal's Michael C. Bender:

In private conversations, Trump has expressed satisfaction in having acting Cabinet members, saying interim leaders are more beholden to him. Shanahan’s extended try-out as Defsec may soon include forking over Pentagon cash to build POTUS’s border wall.

If Lindsey were to be nominated for Defense or State he wouldn't go before the Judiciary committee. He'd go before the Armed Services Committee and probably the Foreign Relations Committee. Then he'd go before the entire Senate for a vote, and with a comfortable Republican majority in the Senate, he'd be confirmed. In fact they could play "let's make a deal" and agree to override another Presidential shutdown, and then some Dems would vote for Lindsey. Happens all the time.

BTW: Anyone else see that great recent photo of Mitch McConnell posing in front of the Confederate flag? Proud smile on his face, too. Haven't heard Trump express any outrage about that.

Oh, and the African American Democratic Lt. Governor of Virginia, was just accused of sexual assault. I mean he's Black and in the minds of Racist Republicans, predatory Blacks are always performing sexual assaults., right? I see a pattern here and it goes right back to the Al Franken mess. Context is everything.

Look. I think Northam is disgusting. Foul. Repulsive. But I'm not quite ready to pile on the Resignation bandwagon, especially when Trump is on it too, about something he did 35 years ago. He said he "wanted to earn forgiveness, not ask for forgiveness." He also said for him to resign would be" taking the easy way out," and he'd rather stay, face it and work to address racism in all it's forms.

I 've heard a lot of lame people say "Sorry" and "I have to do better, blah blah blah." I can't recall ever hearing anyone say, "I need to earn your forgiveness." Racism is an ugly part of our cultural heritage. "As American as Apple Pie." as Malcolm X once said.

It's been the motivation for restrictive immigration since the days of Benjamin Franklin. It's been a club used to block people from gaining citizenship. We've had Presidents we revere, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, etc. (won't even mention Woodrow Wilson, who was despicable, too.) do terrible, racist things.

People say we need to "have a conversation." We need way more than a conversation. We need to put the fucking rules back in place that we had as a result of the Civil Rights movement in the 50's and 60's. We have to address the disparities in housing, criminal justice, education, the environment, and everything else that nurtures systemic racism. But when we have leverage over someone, why piss it away. We need to think strategically and not reflexively react.

Some said, "You can't legislate tolerance." Yes you fucking can. And we need to create a climate of zero tolerance for racist behavior. Because the climate not only in the South of 35 years ago, but right now all over this country needs to change. So when a motherfucker says "I need to earn your forgiveness..." I say, hell yes, get to work, and earn it! IMO I'd like to see some legitimate group come up with an agenda of issues to address and give Northam and the rest a fucking roadmap.

Agreed, R557.

R557 thoughtful post.

Cable media presents it as a crisis. My view it is up to the Virginia legislature and Northam's constituents to reach a way forward per the Governor.

Meanwhile, there are some serious news items not being covered due to the obsession and sensationalism being pushed on one story 24/7.

Nancy Pelosi will be visible in nearly every camera shot beamed to a national audience.

Her presence at the State of the Union is evidence of the newly empowered House Dems. And it makes clear how she can use her clout to thwart Trump's agenda.

R561, it's a crisis for the Democratic Party in Virginia. We're not completely blue yet, and 2019 could be the year Dems capture the state legislature. Northam's staying in office may cause lower African-American turnout in November's elections.

Aaaannnndddd, the cries for Trump to resign coming from the same people are.....

I'd actually totally be up to researching how it is in SC, to move there. Want to help turn it ... purple I guess. A long march.

What are the states than can be turned purple or blue next year?

I'd like Madame Speaker to just do a non-stop Nick Sandmann smirk behind Trump the whole time.

R566, Arizona, Maine, New Hampshire, Florida (unlikely), Ohio (unlikely), Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Minnesota?

Inspiring article.

[quote]I'd like Madame Speaker to just do a non-stop Nick Sandmann smirk behind Trump the whole time.

She should wear a pendant with 2 small pearls or some other spherical gemstone representing Trump's balls.

Thank God. These two are utter morons

The only thing about Andre Bauer that I'm familiar with is watching his shocked reaction as Ana Navarro repeatedly said, "pussy," on CNN.

R563 I had no idea there was an election in VA in 2019. You're right this is a crisis for the state Democratic Party. I just wish we could be smarter about HOW we respond to this bullshit. It's reflexive to scream that someone ought to resign. It's like a game of "Gotcha" the GOP plays very effectively. And while I definitely feel like there must be consequences for racist/sexist/homophobic behavior, I think we need to confront them in a more substantive way. Nailing Northam and the entire legislature, including Republicans, and presenting them with an agenda is one way to do that. IMO Racism needs to be addressed by White people in positions of power regardless of PArty. And when we have a political party actively courting the Alt Right, and giving support to the "good people" who demonstrated in Charlottesville" then why not take this opportunity to really set it out there and challenge both parties and re-focus the spotlight not on something that happened 35 years ago, but on the present. I just feel like we used to be smarter.

Bauer was actually one of the more reasonable Trump supporters. At least he didn't make me want to kick in the tv set when he was on, unlike Corey Lewandowski or Jason Miller.

And if anyone knows the answer, why the fuck did MSNBC hire Lewandowski?

[quote]why the fuck did MSNBC hire Lewandowski?

Like most in this administration, will work for donuts.

R574, are you sure they hired him? He was appearing frequently when he was shilling his book, so maybe that's why he was on?

I miss Letterman. Remember how he ripped O' Reilly to pieces when he came on to shill a book?

Msnbc hasn't hired Lewandowski any more than they hired Omarosa. They appear from time to time, that's all.

Do you have a link of that, R577?

"Treasons of Love" for the thread that comes up around Valentine's Day?

R580 please consult with the list above. That title was already used.

R579, there are too many to go through, but go to you tube and just search Letterman and O Reilly.

Just 38% of registered voters say Trump should be re-elected in 2020. A majority of 57% say it is time for someone new in the Oval Office, a new Monmouth poll finds.

43% of Republican voters and independents who lean Republic an would like to see Trump face a primary challenge.

These cable news networks will contract with "guest pundits" and compensate them for appearances. Sometimes it is about the "both sides" of the story pursuits, or trying to illicit prominent names that may offer some insider information.

Some such as Rick Tyler on MSNBC have turned out to be worthy commentators. He was terminated as the 2016 Presidential campaign manager for Ted Cruz, when dirty tactics were discovered in the campaign's effort to undermine Marco Rubio.

Others, such as Jeffery Lord, an old Reagan staffer, got in trouble with media remarks related to Charlottesville, and got canned by CNN. CNN appears to adore Rick Santorum who can be analytical at times, then can also make controversial statements, including some that are incorrect.

It's a mixed bag with these people, depending on each individual.

I wouldn't put it passed Trump to create some crisis, like a terrorist attack, to try to gin up his poll numbers. One thing I do believe is that Trump is so brand conscious he will block any Republican from challenging him. He IS the Republican party, and he might accept being defeated by a Democrat but he'd never permit circumstances to develop where he's challenged in the primaries and could lose. That's not going to happen. If he loses to Dems he'd still claim victory ideologically for his base. If he loses to another Republican, he's just a loser.

Dotard doesn't need to block anyone from challenging him. The GOP has already decided they will not primary him. No one is going to challenge him. He's their guy.

I got in a fight recently with an old friend of mine from high school. She used to be one of my best friends, but we've drifted apart throughout the years. We reconnected several years ago and then I started to see her social media and it was getting very conservative and anti-Hillary around the campaign (she's one of those idiots who believe that Hilary has literally murdered people with her bare hands). A couple months ago I took her to task for having voted for Mike Pence who is virulently anti-gay. She sees herself as some huge, accepting, pro-LGBT person. She also has a niece who recently came out as trans so now she thinks she is a big supporter of that. I told her that you cannot proclaim to be pro-LGBT and be be a Pence voter. She claims that I have been "abusing her" and that what I've done to her (by holding her to account for her vote) is one of the worst things that has ever been done to her. We've gone back and forth on Facebook messenger. I finally asked her that I needed to know whether or not she would vote for Pence again.

That's when she reveals that she actually *didn't* vote for Trump/Pence at all and she wanted to see how far I would take this. She's obviously lying, right? Who would pretend to be a Pence voter if they weren't? I am finding a lot of this attitude from the right. You calling them on their hypocrisies is twisted around to say that you yourself are "unaccepting of other viewpoints" and "prejudiced." I have cut off all communication with this person because there is no reasoning with her and she constantly flips the script to play a major victim. The biggest snowflakes of all are Trump supporters.

I'm also certain there will be a manufactured crisis between now and 2020. What's interesting is that the last one (the caravan) didn't catch on. I doubt a crisis about abortion rights will catch on. War with Venezuela?

R587 so did ask her who she voted for?

And if she says she didn't vote for either then all this time she's just been a liar and a troll.... Punch and delete.

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out:

I just assumed that she had voted for Trump based on what she was posting on social media and she never corrected me on that assumption, R589.

Frankly, I think she's lying. When I backed her in a corner to ask if she would vote for Pence again, she was forced to come up with a lie that she had never voted for him to begin with.

I mean she very well could not be lying. and just didn't vote. Either way, she sounds awful and I'd suggest no longer engaging.

Lindsey has been prolific with the media in promoting Trump today. Must have been a delightful weekend.

Do other Republicans appreciate her telling them what to do, such as backing an emergency declaration on the wall?

Before becoming a Trump sycophant, she was a proponent of moderation and compromise when it came to undocumented workers. She once backed DACA.

The blackmail material on Lindsay must be AMAZING.

With these MAGA voters you just have to realize they are never going to admit they're wrong, or mistaken. They must always be right. So no matter what you say they will lie and twist things because they're always about being right.

So what if 57% of voters don't want Trump. Even if it were 77%, it's all about how razor-thin wins can be "manufactured" in key swing states for an EC victory.

What if the kompromot on Graham is a video of him fucking a young boy to death?

Nah. More likely proof of the Senatrice's internet forays into little boy porn.

But now the same nutjobs have gone after Justin Fairfax. Found a woman claiming sexual assault in 2004.

Link to new thread.

Bajour!