“Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile” Trailer - Zac Efron as Ted Bundy film trailer dropped

Hopping on the Andrew Cunanan train, I see. This year's trend.

NETFLIX has a whole series of Bundy diaries. How much info do we need?

Those poor butchered girls, all these years later and they are still treated like a footnote in a serial killer's story. Their families must be mortified.

When I heard Zac was playing Ted Bundy, I just couldn't imagine it, but damn he does look like Ted. Acting isn't bad either, way to go Zac...

Couldn't they use an unknown for this role? Instead of Ted Bundy, I just see Zac Efron with a bad haircut.

I actually felt opposite in regards to his casting, R2. Just google Ted Bundy and Efron resembles him. I was Worried about the acting. He doesn’t seem bad but he always speaks with the light lisp and soft voice.

Ugh...that hammy performance by Zac Efron. I remember reading the true crime books and was riveted, but this looks terrible.

Zac seems to be on top form and I appreciated the "I'm more popular than Disney World" line. A savvy meta-wink at Efron's movie persona.

i think he's a good choice. they both look creepy. did zac stop the steroids for this?

Efron hates High School Musical. He actually hates almost every movie he’s been in and I’m shocked he agreed to do The Greatest Showman cause he never wanted to do a musical again.

But it was nice to see him go back to his roots.

PORNY

R9 like they would dare to have Efron in a movie and not have him half naked lmao.

I loved seeing his ass in Dirty Grandpa over and over.

Definite facial resemblance, but I don’t recall bundy being that muscular.

I’m also skeptical about the acting chops. It will take real range to play a complex creeper such as Ted

yea, Bundy was super skinny but you know how hollyweird is. zac is no thespian.

The best thing about Efron is his hot ass which I’m sure he’s been using for roles for years now

Here’s more of a compilation of his scenes from that movie. Hot. Ass.

It's a shame they CGI'd his butt skin.

R15 for the beach scene. Not all the scenes

Ted Bundy was an evil piece of shit. I don't watch "entertainments" based on real life serial killers. Sometimes fictional characters but not usually.

‘Entertainments’?

Does he sing in this?

Can’t wait for the soundtrack and vocal selections!

Ted probably didn't have an Efronian six-pack.

Are we really bitching about Efron having too many abs to be Ted Bundy? Did we see Bundy shirtless?

Bundy was pretty good-looking though. I'd have let him murder me then have sex with my lifeless body any time he wanted.

This trailer makes the movie sound like a comedy, because yeah, serial killers, a real knee slapper.

Another

We'll never stop trying to make Zac Efron happen

He’s happened. He was a teen heartthrob and making millions by HSM3, and on the cover of every magazine.

He is far more good looking than Bundy, bad haircut and all.

Netflix has a good Bundy series on right now.

r28 Sorry he might be in movies but he's not a box office draw. No one is clamoring to see the next zac efron flick.

R31 but 10 years ago he was with teens.

It looks like a future Razzie winner.

It will be worth a watch.

Will there be peen?

The tone of the trailer is super strange. Is this a dark comedy or something?

Not the sort of trailer I was expecting for a movie about Ted Bundy.

The difference, OP, is that I have a ticket to Zac's Premiere of EXTREMELY WICKED tomorrow night at Sundance, where Zac will be there live, taking questions from the audience, and YOU DO NOT.

I will see the movie months earlier than any of you and be able to review it on Datalounge first.

Jealous, bitches?

I love Zac. I would eat his shitter until I got to his small intestines.

I have zero desire to meet Efron so no jealousy here. But do tell us your thoughts on it after

Let us know what the tone of the movie is, because that trailer just told us jack shit. Also, report if Zac gets naked.

A few posts up there’s a video where you see his ass.

Wow, the movie really cheapens itself and the murder victims by including a gratuitous beefcake shot of Efron to glamorous rock music.

Is Zac still getting beat up while scoring drugs?

I can already tell you this about EXTREMELY WICKED: It's the hottest ticket at Sundance this year.

I went through FOUR DIFFERENT ticket sales and NEVER ONCE did this movie come up available for purchase. It was always SOLD OUT.

I was only able to get a ticket through an Industry Pass sale of tickets released late by the producer/Festival.

Smell R38. I am at the St. Regis and my dick was inside Zac for 3 hours today.

Zac gets beat up while getting drugs?

[quote]Ted Bundy was an evil piece of shit. I don't watch "entertainments" based on real life serial killers.

I find this to be such a peculiar position. Most entertainment is based on something terrible happening, in fact or potentially, to other people — hence the drama.

You sound frauish.

R46 Were you covered in a raincoat or did you fuck him raw?

Zac Efron is way hotter than Ted Bundy was.

If he fucked him raw he must have shit all over his cock.

Never forget those pics of shit covered condoms

Efron is hotter, of course. We are comparing a pretty boy former teen heartthrob to a fucking everyday man MURDERER.

Thing is, he resembles him.

OMG, r23, see a shrink!

Those videos of the shit covered condoms were vile. What an inelegant way to have anal. I'm for safer sex BUT can Zac clean his fucking anal canal BEFORE he gets fucked in there?

I made him wash between the first (shitty) fuck and the second. I had a buddy load him before me the second time.

R54 the anal could have been the girls he was butt fucking

The music for the trailer is all wrong. It should be something cold and eerie, but with pathos. Like early 80s Peter Gabriel, John Cale or Scott Walker.

Have we ever gotten a film about the Preppy Killer in Manhattan in the 80s?

Yes, TV movie Billy Baldwin

Thanks R59 I need to see that. That psycho always held my interest.

A similar movie you guys should really check out is last year's MY FRIEND DAHMER starring another Disney heartthrob, Ross Lynch, as Jeffrey Dahmer!

Ross was surprisingly good. It is more of a character study than a horror film, though the final scenes get tense and creepy.

Chambers was the hottest killer ever. I had a crush on him until I found out his mother was just a nurse.

R62 you didn’t care that he was a killer? You still found him hot but his mom being a nurse is a turn off?

What about those videos of the shit covered condoms that several posters are alluding to?

That Dahmer piece looks gripping

I love the touch of Anne Heche as the frazzled cunty mother

[quote] Efron hates High School Musical. He actually hates almost every movie he’s been in

That's one thing that he and the viewing public have in common.

This looks like a mess.

r61 Agreed, people seemed shocked that Efron and Lynch could deliver since they are Disney kids but that's why they can. Those Disney kids have seen some shit!

I'm not really into movies about real life serial killers. I'll pass. And that trailer was fucking offensive and tone deaf.

The trailer seems to have the irreverent tone that I Tonya had.

Yeah but I Tonya didn’t have murder victims in the story.

R23=complained about the women who said they'd gladly get abused by Chris Brown.

After his winning an Oscar for the role, family and friends started to notice a change in his behaviors. It was just a phase, so they thought.

Zac was finally caught when his last victim was able to escape by a homeless man. He admitted he had killed 14 people in the last three years. He’s become insane since then. Today is May 24, 2024

“Was rescued by a homeless man” “He confessed that he”

R56 LOL!

Sorry but I can not believe any character who has that hair...give me a break. The combination of that hair and face? He does not look like a real person. That hair pretty much turns me off.

R75 were you alive in the late 60s-70s?

That hair was common.

Omg.

Yeah not getting what your damage is r75, that is how his hair was, not unlike Mike Brady's shitty perm. And Zac's face is real too so I don't get what you find so offputting about this.

I've read a lot about Bundy. I thought I knew just about everything. However, last night I watched a couple episodes of The Bundy Tapes on Netflix and found out a lot more stuff I didn't know. Not only that but the show is really well done. The woman who survived Bundy, when she was young, was one of the most beautiful teens I've ever seen. She seems to have handled the experience as well as any could have. It's a good thing she decided to fight.

[quote] Yeah not getting what your damage is [R75], that is how his hair was, not unlike Mike Brady's shitty perm. And Zac's face is real too so I don't get what you find so offputting about this.

Robert Reed had naturally curly hair and he would straighten it. In Hawaii the humidity caused his hair to revert. After that he stopped straightening it for the show.

Natural curls don’t look like a chia pet

Who knew that Ted Bundy was so cut and muscular? Especially for a man circa 1970-ish.

[quote]Netflix has a good Bundy series on right now.

Weirdly enough Conversations with a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes is by the same director, Joe Berlinger, as this film. I watched the four part series yesterday and it was very well made.

[quote] Hopping on the Andrew Cunanan train, I see. This year's trend.

That trend's been going on strong ever since Silence of the Lambs.

[quote] Natural curls don’t look like a chia pet

Natural curls vary in size and tightness.

The trend of young teen stars going for an image change and playing a serial killer is what I meant, to be more exact: Zac as Bundy, Darren from "Glee" as Cunanan, etc. I'm sure some Disney boy will play Dahmer soon. And get praised for it.

Was Ted related to Al?

Does the movie have Ted returning to his dead victims to fuck their corpses? Because that's something the real Ted did.

Joe Berlinger is not afraid

This looks like a new DL camp classic. I was laughing from the beginning and lost it when I saw Parsons and Malkovich as the prosecutor and judge. Malkovich has always been a huge ham and no matter what other roles he tries Parsons will always be Sheldon.

r85 A disney boy already did, Ross Lynch played him last year in "My Friend Dahmer" and did it well.

[quote]Natural curls vary in size and tightness.

As do perms. You can get very natural looking curls by using rods of varying size.

Horrible trailer.

This has got John Travolta as John Gotti written all over it. I swear the trailers even have the same music. And they made sure to include a gratuitous shot of his abs? Unbelievable.

It is a horrible trailer. It looks like they are going for a tongue in cheek approach. It's not funny. Maybe they should have gone to his dumping ground before they made the movie. I think we will never know the extent of how many women he killed. He told on deputy, that in six days, he went in to the triple digits. I almost believe him.

I will not be seeing this picture. It looks offensive on every level.

Zac Efron will never recover from this.

Looks baaaaaad.

I, Ted.

Ted's daughter has done a good job of hiding out. I wonder when she'll grant an interview.

Yeah, this looks gross on about every level. Bundy didn’t just kill women; Kimberly Leach and Lynette Culver were both 12 when he murdered them. What he did to Leach is just.. beyond disgusting.

It has a ‘To Die For’ feel that’s undeniably real...

I bet they intentionally cranked out this tone deaf trailer to get everyone talking about how offensive it is. It's good for hype and will get people talking about it...which they haven't been doing until now.

Yep. I'd expect a more somber and serious trailer in the upcoming months.

What does it say about the director that he’d purposely draw negative attention toward his project? What does that say about the quality of the picture? You don’t play games like that with your movie. A good trailer of a film starring Zac Efron as Ted Bundy would be able to generate all the positive word of mouth for which one could imagine, no gimmicks necessary.

Trust Joe Berlinger. He nailed the Netflix piece

Why was the weird looking, strange sounding John Malkovich cast as the judge in Bundy's trial? That seems like high camp. The real judge was a nondescript, homely, hefty old guy with a good old boy kind of voice.

Mark Harmon as Ted Bundy

Mark Harmon is just to vapid and vacant looking to capture Bundy's intelligence and wickedness. Zac may be, too.

Did they make sure to show Harmon’s abs?

What R1 said. Why do we need to keep rehashing Bundy? What else is there to know about him?

30th anniversary of his execution

Just wait until the Manson 50th approaches this summer

Start clutching those pearls now!

Will there be an autopsy scene? Would Zac let them shave his pretty hair off for it like they did when they fried Ted?

The “My Friend Dahmer” trailer was good; looked surprisingly good, heartfelt, sad, and realistic.

I would watch that movie; it looks like it’s really trying to get into his childhood and what contributed to “making the monster”. It also looked real for the time period—similar to “Zodiac”...

There will be fangirling and Ted Bundy fics on Tumblr.

It’s worth “re-hashing” because most younger people I know (Millennials and below) have never heard of Bundy and have no idea about how prolific he was, how the study of his crimes led to the refinement of criminal profiling, etc.

His story was unusual and *so* many people had trouble at the time believing “someone like him” could commit such crimes...

^Sorry for spelling errors; iPhone posting on DL is so off for me today...

Sorry, R114, I didn't realize the bazillion or so documentaries and movies on Bundy had somehow disappeared from the face of the earth.

Who's the cutest boy on death row?

I'll only watch it if Zac presents his blown-out hole.

Speaking of blown-out holes, did any of you see the movie DAHMER with DL fave Jeremy Renner? I heard it was actually pretty good for a DTV movie.

I just watched the Netflix documentary on Bundy. Incredible that the cops didn't arrest him years before they did.

In the end, it's just more slaughtered women. And the actresses who play them instead of saying no. And certain creeps beating off to the whole thing a they watch. Tell yourself it has social value but really that is what it is about. Like all those Richard Speck re-inactments with all the tied up nurse students.

You've come a long way, baby.

I also think that—although I *don’t* get the Efron as Bundy casting—the particular story this movie is telling is interesting because the source material is from Ted’s real life longtime girlfriend who had wanted to marry him and whose young daughter he was like a stepfather to. It is based on the book she wrote.

I believe they also lived together.

She loved Ted and had no idea he was capable of doing such horrific things—and she was an attractive, normal young woman with a stable job and life.

I think that perspective is interesting, because it really sheds a light on the details of the “normal mask” that a sociopath/psychopath like Bundy put on which helped him to evade detection for so long (and also why so many people—against all odds—convinced themselves he was innocent for so long).

Agree with r1

I was a young kid, but remember how horrific these murders were.

Enough withers serial killers

I think there were women who imagined Ted Bundy tried to abduct them. Some truly homely woman (homely when young, homely when older) named Rhonda Stapley went on Dr. Phil and said she was abducted and raped by Ted Bundy but managed to escape from him. Yeah, right! No woman who was abducted by Ted Bundy escaped from him. And he wouldn't have touched THAT woman with a ten foot pole. Some of his victims were better looking than others but they were all attractive. Bundy did NOT seek out fugly women to abduct and murder. His wife was nothing to look at, though. I guess by then he was pretty desperate for a woman who would be completely devoted to him, even if she was a frump.

Debbie Harry claimed she was picked up by Bundy.

....

Carol Daronch was the one who got away.

But what about the shitty condoms???

[quote]I think there were women who imagined Ted Bundy tried to abduct them.

Yes, those stories are all imagined bullshit, as you note— including Debbie’s account. Sorry Deb, luv ya, but that never happened.

After his arrest, the FBI put together a detailed timeline of Bundy’s whereabouts. Though the timeline began well before he started killing, his movements from 1973 to his arrest in 1975 are tracked to the day via sightings, class attendance, credit car and gas station receipts, and so forth.

What’s Deb’s angle with such a wild story?

The story may be true but over the years Debbie has convinced herself that it was Bundy instead of some random creep.

Why the fuck was this movie made?! Jesus, Hollywood is desperate.

R121 the woman who wrote the book about Bundy was a former colleague, not his ex-girlfriend. She was the one who originally contacted the police about him and reported strange things she had found in his car and the fact that he seemed disturbed. The Washington cops didn't even bother interviewing him then.

Bundy didn't actually abduct Carol DaRonche. He tried to, but she got away. No woman he actually abducted and made off with survived.

What did he do to Leach?

He lured Daronche into his car by posing as a police officer. When he pulled over and attempted handcuffing her to the steering wheel she fought back. She was able to get away and flag down a passing vehicle. I would consider that abduction.

The Ted Bundy doll was not a big seller.

I hate it when Hollywood makes movies about serial killers. These minters should not be mentioned/reminded/glorified in any ways, shapes or forms. Hello, copycats?

Sigourney gave a TdFP in 1995’s Copycat

" I would consider that abduction."

I wouldn't. I would call that an abduction attempt.

R139, so an abduction is an abduction only when the victim ends up dead and not when someone successfully forces you away from a place to another place?

He was convicted of aggravated kidnapping against DaRonch. Make of that as you will r139.

"So an abduction is an abduction only when the victim ends up dead and not when someone successfully forces you away from a place to another place?"

I'd say an abduction is taking a person away somewhere they don't want to go. Bundy certainly was thwarted in his attempt to take Carol DaRonche some place where he could have complete control of her.

But he didn't [italic]drop her off[/italic] at her request. She exited his car at place where she was able to break free, literally, as you said "somewhere [she] didn't want to go." He wasn't a 70s Uber driver. She escaped because he [bold]abducted[/bold] her.

Was it a successful abduction? No it was not, therefore it was an attempted abduction.

It was successful because he transported her from one place to another against her will. It's really simple, R144.

"He accepted the candy therefore it's not abduction" will never hold up in court R139.

"It was successful because he transported her from one place to another against her will. It's really simple."

Actually she got into the car of her own free will. He didn't grab her and force her in there. He told a story about being a police officer and that somebody tried to break into her car. She noticed that there was nothing was missing from the car, the man smelled like alcohol, and he was driving a Volkswagen Bug instead of an official patrol car. Still, this was a different time in a safe community, and he had a realistic badge. What reason did she have not to believe him? So she got in the car with him. She sensed things were wrong when he pulled over near an elementary school and noticed that the passenger side door didn't have an easily accessible handle. When she started to panic, he cuffed one of her wrists, pulled out a gun, and threatened to kill her. She fought him off and somehow got out of the car and got away. It all added up to this: ABDUCTION FAIL. He didn't manage to abduct her. She got away before he could do it. End of story.

[quote]Actually she got into the car of her own free will. He didn't grab her and force her in there. He told a story about being a police officer and that somebody tried to break into her car.

It wasn’t of “her own free will” if it was under false pretenses (Bundy pretending to be a cop). Again he was convicted of aggravated kidnapping, not “attempted” kidnapping.

R147, so between the time she realized she wanted to leave and the time it took her to escape, she was held against her will in a place she did not choose. You must be fun at dinner parties.

So those who watched the Bundy Tapes; did you get a look at his stepson? His girlfriend who was in love with him did have the idea that he was capable of these things. She was one of the first ones to talk to the cops about him.

Maybe this will work out as well for Zac as it did for me.

The film looks cheap. And what a terrible title. Most people will simply say - let's see that film, what is it called, "Extremely Wicked..." and something?

I can't believe they have Malkovich as the judge. The judge was a big fat hillbilly. Also a smart as a whip hillbilly who Bundy had met his match in. The judge got high marks across the board for the way he handled what was pretty much the first super trial in the entertainment age. He kept it from turning into a judicial circus as much as anyone can.

and here's where they get the title.

Nice find, R154.

I don't understand why the judge flattered Bundy so much at the end there? He was a horrible lawyer and he murdered and raped countless girls and women. Telling him to "take care of himself" twice, like you just sentenced him to death, why?

[quote]Are we really bitching about Efron having too many abs to be Ted Bundy? Did we see Bundy shirtless?

Uh...I can guaran--damn--tee you that he didn’t look THAT. Efron taking off his shirt would take me out of the scene. Sorry. I haven’t seen the movie... but gratuities like that have taken me out in the past. Not a big deal...just an observation. Chill, ma.

They should’ve grabbed Christian Bale to play the judge while was still fat from “Vice.” For Bale, transforming into a fat man could’ve been like a two for one special.

That’s very interesting footage, r154, but I didn’t hear the title in it.

Yeah when Efron gets naked it does take you out of scene, it is just, "hey audience, look at how amazing Zac Efron's body is". "Normal people" including Bundy, don't have a body like that so it breaks your immersion.

[quote]Director Joe Berlinger also ogles Efron's chiseled, naked body in a few gratuitous shots. The camera lingers on Bundy's six-pack abs and butt as he changes into a prison uniform, and again when he has vigorous sex against a snack machine with Carole Anne Boone (Kaya Scodelario), a former flame.

That said, hearing this still makes me more likely to watch the movie, so I guess it is smart.

I saw EXTREMELY WICKED last night and it's good! 3.5 stars out of 4.

****SPOILERS AHEAD*****

Thankfully, the tone of the movie is not glib and glamorous like the trailer makes it out to be. There are catchy pop tunes from the era playing, but that's usually when Bundy is working on his prison breaks or having good times with his girlfriends. The overall tone is serious and dramatic, though it spares the audience most of the horror of Bundy's violence.

Efron and Bundy are not the protagonist. The movie is from Bundy's misled girlfriend's point of view -- Liz Kendall, as played by Lily Collins. It follows Bundy from his first arrest, through his trials and ultimately his execution. It's usually a courtroom drama, with the home and escape drama thrown in. There are some flashbacks, but the grisly murders are mostly excluded, save for a couple of court photos of victims and oral descriptions of their mutilations.

The director Joe Berlinger has done some great work in the past, including BROTHER'S KEEPER, PARADISE LOST (the West Memphis Three documentary) and a Metallica documentary (James Hetfield plays a police officer in the movie, and he attended the Sundance premiere). Berlinger's great work has been documentary before, but now he can add drama to his résumé without any shame.

Zac gets nude and shows his backside when undressing for prison. But honestly, you've seen more of his body before, in other movies and in better condition. There are a couple of sex scenes, but they don't linger and they're not titillating or romantic. They're either mathematical or creepy — Ted Bundy examining his girlfriend's body with a flashlight while she sleeps or bribing prison guards to let him bang a later girlfriend aggressively during a visitation. It's not played for pleasure or romance -- just kind of cold and scary.

Efron did a good job -- easily the best acting performance he's ever had to do. At first, he seems like a normal guy and acts warmer than a psycho or Bundy. But in the last half of the film, he gets colder and more psycho. The cinematographer did some creepy lighting of his face and eyes in shadow while he confronted the camera which was really creepy.

Jim Parsons and Jon Malkovich were fabulous, as usual. Kaya Scodelario as one of the Bundy groupies was an interesting revelation -- awkward and a bit psycho herself.

Overall, I was impressed. I expect the film to get good enough reviews, but probably not a lot of awards or box office because it wasn't THAT challenging, it's not the kind of movie Zac's fangirls like and straight, male resistance to Efron in the media and industry will always be strong (envy, homophobia and Zac's history of fluff).

Zac was looking hot enough at the premiere. His hair is dyed platinum blond for some reason and he wore white after Labor Day: white sneakers and a white tee under a bomber jacket. But something you want to bang. I have to say his face is not aging gracefully, however. It's starting to look weathered and bloated at the same time. Not extremely, but not fresh anymore. Drugs are a bitch.

I'm happy to answer questions that people may have.

Yes, some everyday people DO have bodies like Efron

But Ted Bundy does not r163, and that is who he is playing.

I think Malkovich is an inspired piece of casting for the courtroom jousting with the smug wannabe Bundy. I’m glad to hear he delivered!

When I posted the judge passing sentence I thought it would include the line. When sentencing him the judge said "I find your crimes extremely wicked, shockingly evil and Vile and therefore have no choice but to sentence you to death". I don't really think he was flattering Bundy. I think he was just vocalizing, probably a mistake, with his disgust with Bundy. A sort of look what you could have been instead you killed and are now going to die. By the end I think it couldn't have helped but to take a toll on the judge. All and all though the judge gets pretty high marks.

Catchy title.

Yes, almost as catch as "Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close".

catchy^

[quote]Kaya Scodelario as one of the Bundy groupies was an interesting revelation -- awkward and a bit psycho herself.

Just a note- the woman Scodeario is playing, Carole Boone, wasn’t just some groupie- she’s was his longtime gf/wife. Bundy used some obscure legal trick to marry her during the course of the Chi Omega trial. They later had a daughter together- does the film go into any of that?

Carole’s son from a previous relationship was one of the last people Bundy spoke to before his execution. Her son is a pastor and spoke of wanting to get the truth from Bundy of whether or not he was guilty. Apparently he was one of the few people Bundy had affection for, and he admitted to the son his guilt.

I thought he’d already admitted guilt to the dude who wrote the book that was the source material for Hannibal Lecter as well as playing the game with the FBI where they trickle into slowly to delay execution.

^trickle info

I would love to see a decent film made about Ted Bundy, but judging from it's trailer this movie seems to turn a gripping murder case into some narcissistic Hollywood bullshit that looks like an "American Psycho" ripoff.

"Telling him to "take care of himself" twice, like you just sentenced him to death, why?"

He had compassion for him. Here was a young man with good looks and intelligence who was now going to be imprisoned and put to death. I guess the judge felt sorry for him and considered it a waste, this incredibly sick individual who had destroyed so many lives and his own as well. I think the judge considered it a tragedy all the way around.

r174 You know that ole hick judge wouldn't have said that to a black guy and yet Bundys crimes were more heinous then any thug that would have walked threw that courtroom.

How do you know he wouldn't have?

r176 Get real.

Most judges don’t interact with a defendant as lead counsel as well. I think he was just acknowledging Bundy threw away a chance to do well professionally by being a creep with a body count.

[quote] Efron hates High School Musical. He actually hates almost every movie he’s been in and I’m shocked he agreed to do The Greatest Showman cause he never wanted to do a musical again.

He told you all this himself, did he?

Apparently we have a plethora of Rex Reeds who can review an entire movie based a minute and forty five seconds.

R179 he’s expressed this in the past. So has Chris Evans.

Ooh, Zac Efron, cool 70s music and period design to die for!!! Looks like a riot!!!!

Zac Efron is actually quite nice. Met him. Very humble and kind person as long as you’re not a pest.

This movies looks like something that will come and go really fast.

THR review:

[quote]I thought he’d already admitted guilt to the dude who wrote the book that was the source material for Hannibal Lecter as well as playing the game with the FBI where they trickle into slowly to delay execution.

I’m not sure I understand whom you’re referring to here.

Thomas Harris wrote the Lecter novels. He attended the Chi Omega trial but never met Bundy. Lecter is based in part on a Mexican physician.

Bundy was interviewed by the Green River task force but it was more of an effort to get info out of Bundy about his own crimes than to (eventually) catch Gary Ridgeway.

Yes towards the end when Bundy has no chance for a stay of execution he did begin to give up some info and acknowledged victims that had long thought to been his but that he had denied to that point. He infamously did a tv interview blaming his violence towards women on pornography with some evangelist just before his execution, but most experts on him don’t but it.

Lily Collins is a really pretty girl that’s actually not a bad actress although has no real presence. But I’m sure nepotism plays a part in her getting roles.

R186:

This is the one I meant. My understanding is that Harris used this as the source material for the angle where lecter ‘helps’ track down buffalo bob.

Perhaps I had that wrong.

R174 the judge also told him "bless your heart" - Southern for contempt. I think the judge was toying with him.

Watch the documentary. Right at the end when he was running out of stays of execution, Bundy started hinting to the FBI agent who was in charge of his case that he would provide insight into other serial killers and would also reveal the whereabouts of more victims. He claimed to have murdered several women in Idaho, in Oregon and California who weren't on the FBI's radar. Some of the names were never revealed and it was never known if Bundy just made them up to try to get out of the execution.

Apropos of nothing, can anyone tell me what jacket Zac is wearing here, please?

I don’t like Zac as a bleach blond

[quote]male resistance to Efron in the media and industry will always be strong (envy, homophobia and Zac's history of fluff).

So do people actually believe Zac is gay? Surely he hasn't stated as much publicly, has he? (I'm afraid I don't keep up with news about him very much.) Perhaps people are just assuming based on the aforementioned condoms that were found?

The "is he gay" chatter was pretty common when he was a pretty twink doing highschool musical, though these days not so much. Not in any mainstream capacity.

Yeah. I forgot the "bless your heart" comment by the judge. It doesn't get much harsher than that in the South.

Most straight young guys look at him and see Troy from HSM. None will take him serious.

His main fan base are females and young gays.

[quote]Perhaps people are just assuming based on the aforementioned condoms that were found?

That and the fact he emanates stratospheric beams of rainbow colored fag light.

[QUOTE]He had compassion for him. Here was a young man with good looks and intelligence who was now going to be imprisoned and put to death. I guess the judge felt sorry for him and considered it a waste, this incredibly sick individual who had destroyed so many lives and his own as well.

He murdered 30 women and girls. Why would the judge feel sorry for him? It’s not like he killed someone in a drunk driving accident. The man was pure evil.

Looks like the judge fell for Ted’s charm as well.

So, is Oscar gold in Zac's future?

The film will give Zac some positive press but that’s as far as it goes.

There is some really bad concern trolling all over this thread.

Was the judge falling for Ted’s charm when he sentenced him to death?

Meanwhile, that redneck judge would have sentenced him to death had he been a young black man!

R202 and not for killing. For stealing something.

Perhaps you should Googie the judge and his career before making a sweeping generalization.

EXTREMELY WICKED plays the courtroom footage of the original, hillbilly judge proclaiming the "Extremely Wicked" line, r166. Malkovich also performs it in the film.

The closing credits include footage from the trial and other media footage of all the characters saying and doing some of the things the movie re-enacted.

Yes, but she started as a groupie, r170. And the audience will get to watch her sink her hooks into Bundy.

Apparantly, she was a longtime admirer from Bundy's home state Washington who began stalking him after he moved to Utah, then seduced him after groupie'ing him in Florida.

As I explained earlier, r173, the trailer is misleading.

It takes a glib, whimsical tone. But the movie does not -- it is mostly serious.

Read the entire thread, r180.

I told you I attended the premiere screening in Park City and I've seen the entire 108-minute film. Fuckwad.

Dataloungers strongly believe Efron is gay, r193, as they do everyone. Just Google "Zac Efron" and Datalounge, and the many spats between gays and Zac fangirls over the years.

I think it's likely that Zac's a closeted gay because of all the strong indicators. When Zac first arrived via HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL, Ashton Kutcher pranked him in an episode of PUNK'D and teased him for being probably gay. In DIRTY GRANDPA, after Zac breaks into a musical number, Aubrey Plaza leads the cast in accusing Zac of being gay. His romances seem disingenuous. He's caught ogling men on camera a lot. He doesn't have a lot of straight peers or famous pals. He's a song and dance queen. There's just too much smoke around this fire.

Or Zac is straight and has fun with the bullshit r209

No, r199, I don't think there's Oscar gold in Zac's future for this movie because of who he is. The work is not THAT challenging, either.

I'm still shocked that last year's Sundance winner and tour-de-force acting job by Garrett Hedlund in BURDEN still doesn't even have a distributor! No Oscar gold for that highly worthy performance.

I have no idea if Efron is gay or not, but I do give him some props for how he handled it r210. He didn't get offended or go with any machismo route, just shrugged

[quote]“I don’t like to live in fear about things like rumors and backlash to begin with — that’s the way I was raised — but I just can’t see what’s so wrong about being gay.”

I never got the appeal of Zac until I saw the paperboy. Then I was ALL in.

R212 and I agree with him. Why does everyone need a fucking label? What’s bad about it? Just let people LIVE.

Rumor has it, that Zac gives a performance of a lifetime.

The performance of Zac's lifetime is what other actors call acting.

R216, I’m just posting from a reviewer who saw the film already.

Ted Bundy's torso was nothing like that (no one in the 70s had a torso like that unless they were a performer for Colt--even the performers for most porn studios did not have torsos like that).

They're trying to sex up Ted Bundy in the trailer by including that shot. That is just bizarre.

Zac needs to change his haircut. he still wears a variant of that stupid quiff he's worn since he was a teenager.

R218 you saw EVERY American male shirtless in the 70s?

Oh, he looks horrendous with that white hair!

Omg, what was he thinking??

I’m so tired of films that always need to understand their villains and explore their three dimensionality. Sometimes a psycho prick is just a psycho prick. Ascribing any kind of humanity to them is offensive.

They are human whether you are comfortable with that fact or not. Understanding them as best we can is beneficial to all.

Bradford Dillman should have played him in the 70s

It's just weird r218. Zac Efron couldn't have laid off the gym for the sake of the role? I mean as far as transforming your body for a role goes, that's a very minor thing. Seeing Ted Bundy with this sculpted by the gods body is incongruent, he isn't playing a superhero.

Or Dean Jones.

They match his physicality more closely than beefy Efron

I’m looking at pics of Bundy and he doesn’t look “skinny” like you all say at all. He looks very healthy and fit.

You all are DELUSIONAL

[quote]You all are DELUSIONAL

You think Efron's body captures the real Ted Bundy, and we are the delusional ones. Okay.

[quote] I’m looking at pics of Bundy and he doesn’t look “skinny” like you all say at all. He looks very healthy and fit. You all are DELUSIONAL

I watched both the Netflix documentary and HLN's four-part series on Bundy. His weight did fluctuate, but most often, he was thin. Not even athletic or mid-weight thin, but skinny.

He looked healthy to me.

His weight fluctuated when he wanted it to. When he escaped jail and made it to Florida for the killing spree he lost about 40Lbs so he could vent through the vent in his cell.

If I never hear the name Ted Bundy again, that’ll be fine with me.

We totally believe you, R233

I haven't seen a movie in over 3 years.....looks like 2019 will be the same :(.

[quote]Omg, what was he thinking??

He was thinking I'm an actor and the role I'm playing now is a blonde.

Everything but dancing with a rainbow flag.

Does Zac have an implants at R9? I hate it when people do this shit to their bodies. It’s gross and really obvious.

How old is he? Surely he can still hit the gym, or is he too fucked up to do so regularly?

I don’t like him. His personality is similar to that of Justin Timberlake’s. They’re both entitled assholes.

"Get real."

You have no idea what the judge would have said. Get some help. You seem rather paranoid.

It seem innapropriately ... perky.

Maybe it's just a badly cut trailer.

You can tell by looking at Ted even with a shirt on that he wasn’t built like that. For Christ sake, Zac has the torso of a bodybuilder in that shot. That’s what it takes for someone with his naturally small frame to create that body: bodybuilding. He ate massive amounts of protein, he lifted weights. He did all the same shit he did for the Baywatch movie. And for what? To play Ted friggin Bundy? It was clearly the director’s call for Zac to get or stay bulked up so he could film those gratuitous scenes. Zac could’ve easily laid off the weights and taken on a more realistic shape.

Zac is ripped. He’s not a bodybuilder body. He’s ripped but lean and small. Not huge.

[quote]r57 The music for the trailer is all wrong. It should be something cold and eerie, but with pathos. Like early 80s Peter Gabriel, John Cale or Scott Walker.

Like ZODIAC did with "How Can People Be So Heartless"? This movie WISHES it could aspire to that.

That opening is so creepy to me ... the car rolling by the houses, where anyone we see could become a victim.

That’s where you’re wrong, R242. Every bodybuilder isn’t huge. What you’re focusing on is the typical caricature of a bodybuilder, someone who takes steroids and lifts an extreme amount of weight. You can be a bodybuilder without looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 70’s. Zac, as I said before, has a lot of muscle on his frame that can only be added through bodybuilding. He does not look like that naturally. And you know who else didn’t look like that without lifting weights? This skinny fuck right here:

That was taken after Ted went on the run in Aspen. He lost 25 lbs.

Well find us some pics that show evidence of his bodacious bod before he went on the run, Mr. Expert.

You’d think Zac would have laid off the steroids for just a few months to even pretend he wanted to approximate Bundy’s physicality but his narcissism simply wouldn’t allow it. This is exactly why Hollywood will never take him seriously as an actor.

Zac cares too much on his good looks, sad.

You can’t blame Zac, however. The director could’ve instructed him to change his exercise and diet regimen for the sake of the role. If anything I suspect this guy might have encouraged it, knowing the attention it would bring. He wanted to make Ted Bundy sexy, which is the exact opposite of what I’d do if this were my movie. It’s revolting.

Zac doesn’t even have a steroid body lmao

I don't mind Zac's body; all the work he did to his face is always a distraction to me.

The trailer is weird after the Netflix show. Is this a bank heist comedy? All these are people on the comments saying how's it's how Bundy thought of himself, etc. Feels like romanticizing the guy so you have to hope the movie is deeper.

[quote] Oh, he looks horrendous with that white hair!

I think it looks fabulous!

Zac is not as handsome as he used to be but still good looking regardless. I just hope he would stop using steroids and suck more cocks often.

[QUOTE]Zac doesn’t even have a steroid body lmao

Some guys needs steroids just to get as big as Zac, believe it or not. You never know who’s juicing, really. Depending on your genetic makeup, it can be nearly impossible to build even a “swimmer’s body” without a little pharmaceutical assistance.

I imagine R249 being read in the voice of the little tot from Mrs Doubtfire

I'm surprised but Zac Efron is a dead ringer for Ted Bundy.

I've always rooted for Zac. I hope this shows that he has some sliver of acting talent, because I've yet to see much from him. He's honestly best in musicals. The only films of his I've liked were Hairspray and The Greatest Showman. He comes alive during those films. Everywhere else, he only registers as a pretty face. I really want him to be good in this, because his looks aren't going to last forever and he seems like a nice guy, so I'd hate for him to fall out of favor. He has to reinvent himself in the next 5 years or he's toast.

I agree that zac efron isn't the best casting for this. Are they trying to find someone who gives off ted bundy vibes or whatever young actor they can get?

Variety calls Efron's performance "on target":

What glowing praise, put that on the poster....

r260 Who owns variety, most likely bought and paid for review.

[quote]I just watched the Netflix documentary on Bundy. Incredible that the cops didn't arrest him years before they did.

Those were different times. It's easy to forget what things were like before computers and nation-wide databases.

He can act. Early he played an autistic kid who becomes a long distance runner. He chose to be a movie star over being an actor.

I present to you, eleven and a half minutes of Zac Efron crying.

R264 that’s not impressive acting

Watched the Netflix series. Amazing how many more women died because of the bumbling keystone cops and prison guards in Colorado. He escaped from jail there TWICE. The first time was by jumping out of a window at the courthouse where he was given free rein of the library to research his defense. An accused serial killer---no chains or hand cuffs, no one guarding him (except outside the door of the library). Un-fucking-believable.

Also unbelievable that a man on death row was given conjugal visits with his jailhouse wife. They even had a kid together. WTF?

“An accused serial killer---no chains or hand cuffs, no one guarding him (except outside the door of the library). Un-fucking-believable.”

White men, even if they are people who rape and murder dozens of women and have sex with their decaying bodies, are endulged endlessly and always. I doubt a court would have put up with his shenanigans had he been a black or female perverted serial killer.

Justice for brown serial killers!

Ted Bundy is the perfect example of white male privilege.

Zac DOES appear to have "laid off the gym for a while" for the role, r226. He's smaller than he was for BAYWATCH, etc.

But muscles don't work like you think. You can't just erase them in 6 months for a movie. Zac also has a naturally lean metabolism that looks shredded -- he can't help that, either.

Bingeing to get fat wouldn't have looked like Bundy, nor would scary starvation.

Considering Ted ended up crispy in the electric chair, I guess white male privilege only goes so far...

Lighten up, r247.

The shot you see in the trailer is the ONLY moment in the film we get a good look at Zac's pecs or naked body. He turns and exposes his butt for the strip search. Then the movie moves on. The trailer's music IS NOT playing. Most of the music is "cold and eerie" and appropriate.

This 3-second shot of Zac's lean body doesn't ruin the movie and it shouldn't be a dealbreaker for you, Ms. Petty.

The director Joe Berlinger said in the Q&A that Zac was his first choice to play Bundy and the first one he approached, r259.

You guys have to understand how the box office works. People pay for movies that contain stars they know and like. The stars with the most fans are the safest actors to cast when millions of dollars are at stake.

The stars with the most fans are the actors that people want to fuck the most. It's not Joe Berlinger's fault that Zac has enough fans to recoup his costs in telling this story.

You're no different -- you don't want to watch shows with ugly people.

The movie depicts Bundy's "conjugal visits" as the result of bribery of the guards, r268 -- nothing officially sanctioned.

I’m voting for Sundance Fairy in 2020!

Let’s make ALL serial killers famous with endless books, documentaries & dramas about them. It’s so....American to glorify torture & murder, especially of women.

Will the tears never cease?

What would you do if you encountered a serial killer, r278?

How would you know how to spot one, if you never learned how they operate? And how can you fault people for wanting to know what's out there and how to defend themselves from it?

Are you going to be as dumb and loyal as Bundy's girlfriends?

R243, "Easy to be Hard" is the name of the song. Originally from the musical "Hair".

[quote]Ted Bundy is the perfect example of white male privilege.

This x 1000. So many people who knew or encountered TB in any way said "he can't be that guy, he's too nice, well spoken, good looking, etc."

[quote]The movie depicts Bundy's "conjugal visits" as the result of bribery of the guards, [R268] -- nothing officially sanctioned.

Still. How can this even happen? I thought death row was like solitary. Complete lock down in a super max prison. No in-person visits that are not behind bars or 3" bullet proof glass. The mind reels that he was even allowed to be in the same room with a woman and child when he's known to have brutally killed so many.

Here's the problem with the movie. I'm frau like when it comes to true crime. I can't get enough. I read the books, do the online websites, watch the TV shows, I can't get enough. Yet I won't go see this movie because like most of the other cases that make it to the movies I already know how it ends. Especially since I just watched The Bundy Tapes on Netflix. There is no way the movie can beat that show. They did an outstanding job. Take it from someone who knows true crime. You will not get better than The Bundy Tapes.

R284, well at least it's the same director behind them both. And I agree The Bundy Tapes is one of the best true crime documentaries I've seen. Partly because there's so much film footage of the subject himself, since you really get to see what he was like and how he behaved.

Zac is pretty

Was that even him r288? There was a ton of trickery when it came to Efron's "Dirty Grandpa" nudity.

He's one of those actors who is only moderately talented. I don't care though. He's just so nice to look at. He's one of the very few that I give a pass to just because I drool when I look at them

Just torture porn.

We are just smacking our lips over details of crimes we have no business knowing the details of. How many times have we asked why the Gacys and the Night Stalkers and the BTKers and the Green River killers have committed these grotesque crimes?

Have we ever once got a legitimate answer?

Agree with r291

Lots of people are fascinated by true crime r291. It is a big genre. Podcasts, documentaries, books, movies. There is a huge appetite for it.

Supply and demand. If there is a demand, people are going to produce a supply.

Bless your heart, R291

r283 His being on death row is exactly why he got to visit with people in person. Same thing with Gary Gilmore, the night before his first stay he got a phone call from Johnny Cash, a party with snuck in liquor and drugs, lots of guests, music, etc. He even joked about his aunt giving him her hat and coat so he could sneak out wearing them. People on death row get more perks than average prisoners, they used to even be able to get outrageous final meals including buckets of KFC and 6 packs of beer, now they eat whatever is on the menu. It was a different time.

[quote] Just torture porn.

We are just smacking our lips over details of crimes we have no business knowing the details of. How many times have we asked why the Gacys and the Night Stalkers and the BTKers and the Green River killers have committed these grotesque crimes? Have we ever once got a legitimate answer?

One can ask the same thing about Jon Benet Ramsey, Chris Watts, Scott Peterson, Jodi Arias, Casey Anthony, The Mendez Brothers, Drew Peterson, OJ Simpson, Chandra Levy, and Natalie Holloway, etc. cases. I would say that these days the public is far more fascinated and concerned with the potential of "the killer next door."

Gosh he looks horrible as Ted Bundy. Zac is stalky and square. Bundy was tall with a slim frame. Plus is that Zac’s own hair or just a bad wig? I know he wants his Oscar as do all actors but I hope this horrible attemp fails at the box office.

if one of your relatives was raped , tortured and murdered by some freak whose sordid crimes makes him revered as an american icon, you'd probably see things differently. We don't recall the names of the victims but know in excessive detail how they were tortured and slain!

R289 yes it's him. His face is in the shot. When he rides off, it's a stunt man, but up until that point, it's definitely him.

Zac Efron is a has been.....He lost the studios tons of money just in the last year and a half-----Baywatch and Greatest Showman....If this tanks----he will be relegated to Netflix Movies and TNT mini series....

I don't really think Netflix and TNT series are really a big fall from grace these days. In fact, most of the true talent is going to TV and streaming, because that's where all the great parts and great scripts are. He's going right to Hallmark. Maybe he and Jonathan Bennett can play a gay couple who have a Christmas disaster. Oh, wait, I don't know if Hallmark is cool with the gays or not, so they'll just play brothers who have strange homoerotic tension.

The Greatest Showman didn't lose the studio money

He should play Tyrone Power in a bio pic.

R302 It lost a ton of money in my household....As all Zac Efron movies usually do..

Yeah after initially bombing on its opening weeking, Greatest Showman had scary good legs and ended up being a box office hit. It surprised everybody.

Oh come on. Look at Zac as Ted Bundy in R287 and tell me that’s not gratuitous. Why do they need to include him like that in the movie?

That's Zac in the The Paperboy, R306.

Do we think Zac is on the casting couch?

R308 no. He got lucky with HSM and his dad was with him when he auditioned etc. and got the part eventually. That shot him to fame and then Hairspray and 17 Again were big hits and he was a solidified star. His teen heartthrob status got him those roles, not the couch.

He hasn't had many good roles for one to think he's using his ass to get them. He usually does those dumb bro comedies

If the Duke can play Genghis Khan, Zac can play Ted Bundy.

Fucking PERFECT casting

The director of Hairspray said that while casting the only person he could envision as Link Larkin was Zac Efron from the HSM movies cause he was (at that point) the biggest teen heartthrob in the world.

He wanted no one else for the role.

I am excited to see this

The problem with Zac Efron is that people only go to a Zac Efron movie to see Zac Efron get his tits out.

R28 lmao a poster of that cover was on my sister’s bedroom wall for YEARS. I never had the heart to tell her the truth..

The fact that the movie premiered and still does not have distribution is very telling. Distributors snap up the good ones in no more than 48 hours after the premiere.

It’s probably garbage. Straight to Netflix.

It kinda does seem like a straight to Netflix kinda movie. From the reviews, it just sounds like it's sorta ok, but nothing special.

Zac shoulda suggested to The Greatest Showman producers to make his character have a romance with Zendaya's character's brother. A gay version of 'Rewrite the Stars' would have secured him at least a Golden Globe nomination.

Now he's attempting to Oscarbait and it's not going to well. At least he's pretty.

r283, Bundy wasn't on death row when he started fucking and impregnating Joanna. He was in the midst of the trial, according to the movie. Joanna tells him she's pregnant just before he goes to hear the jury's verdict.

r291 = typical social conservative censor who hasn't even seen the film she's judging.

Shut up! You haven't seen the film! There's no violence in it. There's one photo of a decapitated corpse from the real trial. Everything else is described in court.

Yes Bundy is an Intersectional crypto-Fort/Da Cis-masculinity Interpellation horror show.

Nobody has made Bundy "a revered, American icon," r298! Most people are disgusted by him, including the ones who learn his history.

You're about as honest as Ted Bundy.

BAYWATCH and SHOWMAN were worldwide hits, r300.

Honestly, people here need to go back to Troll School.

Bullshit, r316.

LOTS of good Sundance movies that become hits don't close a deal until 2 to 4 months after the festival ends.

And still others that take forever to get distributors are awesome works of art that you should support regardless of some jerk off studio with limits on the quantity of films they'll release. Like BURDEN and I LOVE YOU, PHILLIP MORRIS.

Does it physically hurt being that stupid, r325? I wrote "GOOD" movies. BURDEN has a 54% on RT. PHILLIP MORRIS has a 72%. EXTREMELY WICKED has a 62% and dropping. None of those scores have/had distributors fighting to buy those movies because the see them as duds with little to no commercial or awards viability, which is really truly the reason for all these festivals. There is a reason why THE REPORT and FAREWELL were quickly purchased over the weekend and this was not.

No one gives a fuck about what you like or think is a masterpiece unless you are going to pony up the money to buy them.

[quote]that’s not impressive acting

Do you know anyone with autism? You didn't see the movie. he was very good, so go fuck yourself.

I had to read for a role in "Burden" that involved pissing on a black girl. Lovely. I hate that race baiting stuff but only did it because the producer had done "Dallas Buyers Club". Glad it didn't work out.

r291, it the human compulsion to look at horror, since the times of the Romans and their coliseums.

It must be weird to immerse in a character like Ted Bundy and try to play him with some degree of empathy if that is required in the script. Frankly, it comes too close to channeling an evil entity. There are reports that TB haunts the Florida prison where he was executed. Better to stay in the white light. I don't know if believe in possession but, if there is, TD is the man. The guy who interviewed him said that his blue eyes would turn black and he would give off a bad body odor when he got in groove of talking about the murders.

Geez those are creepy details.

His eyes would turn BLACK?!

[quote] I don't know if believe in possession but, if there is, TD is the man. The guy who interviewed him said that his blue eyes would turn black and he would give off a bad body odor when he got in groove of talking about the murders. His eyes would turn BLACK?!

Carol DaRonch, the survivor he attempted to abduct from a shopping mall, said the same thing about his eyes. It's hard to understand how people could look at him face to face and still consider him handsome. There was a startling malevolence in his eyes. Even Dahmer, Gacy, and Berkowitz's eyes looked normal by comparison.

I wonder how big his cock was.

I can’t imagine seeing someone with blue eyes that would turn black. Just the thought gives me chills

In the Bundy Tapes there's a part that shows Bundy cross examining the cop whose job it was to write up the crime scene in excruciating detail. Bundy grilled him on what he saw asking him to give highly detailed answers. Allowing him to read his report "if necessary". It was disgusting. You could see Bundy get turned on by it.

There’s some truly sick and evil men out there. And they seem to always come in the form of white males. Hmmmm.

R337 has never looked at crime statistics. If you did might be sipping a 40 instead.

R338 I know statistics. And a lot of those black men get locked up without committing a crime. And even if you’re committing a crime doesn’t mean you’re EVIL. Bundy was EVIL.

You’re comparing Bundy to a black man stealing from a store b

Look up violent crime statistics. Specifically murder and rape. I don't chose to turn this into a race issue but sometimes you get sick of idiots like you. Whether you murder one or 100 it's evil. Shockingly so.

Boo. Trust me. A lot of those stats are incorrect.

Of course. It's all a vast white ring conspiracy.

I’ve witnessed a black man go down for something a white man did. So please stfu.

How did I miss this thread? My imaginary husband did a fantastic job according to all the critics, even the ones who hated the movie. Some of them are calling it the defining role of his career. And I'm mad he could wear a peacock on his head and still look handsome.

No black folks were harmed in the making of this spree

I suppose by "turning black", I would imagine the pupils would dilate so much, it would appear that his irises are black. Which would go with him getting turned on or going predatory- the pupils will dilate with both instances.

If there is a story to tell, why not create a movie or write a book about the victims and their lives?

Is it because the victims are" losers " who "lost their lives" with no real story beyond the minute and exquisite details of their deaths while the perp, who viciously exacted total control over their victims; is the victor worthy of our enduring adulation and fap session?

How many books, articles, and movies have been made about Bundy Gacy and Manson and Dahmer? What is the story that remains to be told?

Won’t someone think of the children?

if it was your kid who was raped and tortured,you'd be less flippant and cutesy.

maybe.

Will the tears never cease?

absolutely.

the tears stop now.

as i have blocked you and your flaccid, flabby replies,

you bore me to tears.

no more.

R330 is a gullible idiot.

Bundy was so fucking mediocre. Apart from his killing, there was nothing to him.

During the trial he called a witness to the stand and had him graphically describe the scene at the Chi Omega House. Everyone in the courtroom realized Bundy was getting off on this, you can see the disgust on the jurors faces.

[quote]r291 We are just smacking our lips over details of crimes we have no business knowing the details of.

If the plot focused on the unknowing girlfriend's experience (as her memoir did, on which the film is based) it might transcend all that.

As it stands now, I have no interest in seeing a film that's so firmly about the killer himself. I mean, what can be new about it? We already know.

r326 would have written off Vincent Van Gogh, even though his paintings sell for millions now.

Commercial success has nothing to do with artistic success. Just because you're a basic bitch with no taste or a shallow mind doesn't mean LOTS of great art never made money or got properly appreciated.

The masses are asses, just like you.

But you're a lying idiot to claim that BURDEN, PHILLIP MORRIS and EXTREMELY WICKED aren't good movies! 72% IS GOOD. 64% IS GOOD! Those numbers are hard to achieve on Rotten Tomatoes AND THE MAJORITY OF CRITICS AGREE WITH ME!

And you dare hold those movies up, when BURDEN only has 13 critics weighed in so far, and EXTREMELYWICKED only has 28?

BITCH, TALK TO ME AFTER 200 CRITICS WEIGH-IN LIKE A STANDARD, DISTRIBUTED MOVIE! Only then do you have a broad enough sample of opinion. I guarantee their ratings are going to change and I can't wait to bump them for you, IDIOT.

And that still wouldn't invalidate my artistic standards. Art is subjective and the masses are asses!

The plot DOES "focus on the unknown girlfriend's experience," r355, as I previously explained.

EXTREMELY WICKED is from her point of view and she is the protagonist of the movie. Bundy is the antagonist/ villain and it's NOT a slasher.

I LOVE YOU, PHILIP MORRIS is definitely a work of art and extremely underrated. The true story it's based on is infinitely more interesting than any of these dull as fuck serial killer tales.

[quote]think it's likely that Zac's a closeted gay because of all the strong indicators.

By "Indicators," you mean his good looks and six-pack.

R356, please get your meds refilled. I also wrote that they but theses movies because of possible awards, which have nothing to do with money. And if you actually knew anything about film festivals and how the actually operate, this would not have you in such a frenzied meldown about blah films. Please tell me what other highly rated film at Sundance has yet to be bought?

So sad and angry about mediocre movies that audiences, critics and even cinephiles don't give a shit about at all. But mediocre movies are loved by mediocre people, when they think scores of 50s 60s and 70s are great RT scores. Efron better pray that Netflix takes it at a deep discount because it appears that no else wants it despite all the publicity.

[quote]By "Indicators," you mean his good looks and six-pack.

That and the "I'm too busy to date girls", the gay face, the dating obvious lesbians/beards, the gay face, the long vacations with gay daddies, the gay face, the shit covered condoms in his garbage, the gay face, etc etc...

Suck it, pearl clutchers

A perfect choice to play this role actually.

Christian Bale would’ve been far better.

He had a girlfriend?? A child???

Anything that can keep him off the steroids is going to be better for his health in the long run.

THERE WILL BE PEEN should be the title of the next Zefron movie.

That’s actually been the working title of all his movies, including this one.

R147 She was lured into the car and he pulled a gun on her when she made her first attempt to leave. So yes that is abduction. That she eventually left doesn't make it any less of an abduction for the time she was abducted, be it ten minutes or three weeks.

Easier for you now?

Do you also abduct people and only consider it "sucessful" when you get to keep them?? Creep.

Christian Bale is a shitty actor. And he looks NOTHING like Bundy. And is too old.

r360 = hypocritical Hateorade from an embarrassed fool.

Somebody's 12 year old found DL ar r371.

Maybe Lifetime will pick it up.

Netflix wants us think they have a soul

But please continue to watch our hit doc series about said convicted serial murderer!

The Netflix series does NOTHING to glamorize Bundy.

Right, it just trots him out for lurid profit.

Yeah this is all about the stupid movie and Zac’s abs, which will however be featured on Netflix soon enough.

[quote]That and the "I'm too busy to date girls", the gay face, the dating obvious lesbians/beards, the gay face, the long vacations with gay daddies, the gay face, the shit covered condoms in his garbage, the gay face, etc etc…

WRONG. Efron has never said he’s too busy to date. He’s openly dated, women. Chill, ma.

r372 name-drops buzz chatter without knowing what he's talking about like a 12-year-old.

You already proved to the whole world you're a fuckwad when you called a movie a failure because it didn't get a distributor in 2 days.

MOST FILM DEALS WON'T BE FINALIZED UNTIL AFTER THE FESTIVAL, FUCKWAD!

[quote]r357 The plot DOES "focus on the unknown girlfriend's experience," [R355], as I previously explained. EXTREMELY WICKED is from her point of view and she is the protagonist of the movie. Bundy is the antagonist/ villain and it's NOT a slasher.

If the movie's indeed about her, how come the Variety review @ r260 doesn't mention one word about the lead actress' performance, or even utter her character's name? Why isn't the title reflective of her and not him? Why are there no scenes of her in the trailer away from him? Why doesn't she have equal billing in the credits, on the same line as the real star of the story's name?

You can just SAY a film's about a woman, it really has to contain elements that add up to being about her.

R380 because Zac Efron is in the film so his presence steals any attention away from Lily Collins, daughter of Phil Collins.

[quote]r381 [R380] because Zac Efron is in the film so his presence steals any attention away from Lily Collins, daughter of Phil Collins.

In a Variety review?

Does he really have those god-like powers? Golly!

He’s a star. His name is a household name. Hers isn’t.

Plus it’s a different type of role for him so it’s getting him attention

It’s not her life story, it’s her story about her dealings with Ted Bundy. It’s a Bundy narrative through her eyes.

So, in essence, it's really all about him. Again.

As I said, I'm not interested in him. We've already seen 3,000 tru crime TV documentaries about him.

[quote]r383 He’s a star. His name is a household name. Hers isn’t. Plus it’s a different type of role for him so it’s getting him attention

Are you incapable of understanding that if a performer has an important role in a film, they are at least mentioned in the Variety review? The fact that there is NO mention of Lily Collins or her character in the film review only goes to show how ultimately inconsequential her part is.

We get it, R385.

How many more times do you need to post it to feel better?

One more thing:

The part isn’t major in the film, but that doesn’t mean the narrative used isn’t hers. It’s still all about Bundy though... duh

R379 is right. It won't be sold until after the festival because no one wants it. Most of the ones that can't get distrubtion during is because they are meh if not outright bad and get picked up at a deep discount later, or in the case of BURDEN, never. If there was a bidding war like THE FARWELL, it would have been covered by the trades.

Maybe CRACKLE will buy it.

I'm astounded that a thread about a Zac Efron movie that almost no one has seen has somehow generated 400 posts so far. Clearly a distributor should buy it based on the DL metrics.

It is fun to talk about it, but leaving your abode and paying to watch it is a different matter.

No frontal shot makes this airplane viewing.

FYI, the demand for EXTREMELY WICKED at Sundance is so high, and the word of mouth is so good, that Sundance announced an extra screening today at the Tower Theater.

You'll have to ask Variety, r380. But if you watch the movie or the Q&A's on Youtube, the director describes her as the main character and Lily Collins speaks.

They have to market Zac Efron because he's the biggest star.

[quote]Efron hates High School Musical. He actually hates almost every movie he’s been in and I’m shocked he agreed to do The Greatest Showman cause he never wanted to do a musical again.

I knew you were full of shit....

click .56

Efron has stayed he hates HSM in the past. If he’s changed his tune, good for him.

[quote] As I said, I'm not interested in him. We've already seen 3,000 tru crime TV documentaries about him.

You might have, the rest of us haven't. People are always interested in monsters. Sounds like you're exactly the same if you've seen multiple documentaries about Bundy. You're just pissed you already know all there is to know about Bundy.

Zac Efron Ted Bundy Pic ‘Extremely Wicked’ Sells To Netflix – Sundance

In the 80's the kiss of death of a movie was "Straight To Video" now it's straight to Netflix.

R399 it’s not a kiss of death now. Netflix films get Oscar noms now and shit

R399 is 2 days older than god

Honestly, having it go straight to Netflix is the easiest way to make sure everyone sees the movie these days. People go crazy for their original content.

To tell you the truth, I don't know what the equivalent of straight to video is these days? Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon have changed the game completely. Straight to the $5 Wal-Mart bin? Self-distributed on Amazon Prime?

Movie makers want their movies shown in movie theaters.

[quote]it’s not a kiss of death now. Netflix films get Oscar noms now and shit

"Roma" is a fluke. Netflix paid a shitload for it.

Paying a shitload of money is the Netflix model r404. R403 is correct that all things being equal people would rather go to a theatrical distribution, but money talks, and lots of movies go to Netflix because it is the best offer.

I hate to break it to you R16, but that was a double.

I hate going to the theater now. I'd much rather watch on Netflix. The seats are more comfortable and the popcorn is cheaper at my house. Plus you don't have to deal with Bebe's kids.

You can clearly see Zac's face during some of his nude scenes. Please don't tell me they're pulling a Natalie Portman in Black Swan and CGI-ing his face to a butt double's body. That just seems like an excessive expense. You'd think that would cost him jobs. I've never understood why people object to doing nudity, but then say it's cool to have a body double do it. Everyone's just going to assume they did the nudity anyway. Unless it involves a potentially dangerous stunt, I don't get it.

I understand not wanting to do certain types of nudity, but why take that role that requires it if you are against showing your ass? And why is he so against it? Lmao

I wonder if there's a recipe for a Ted Bundy Bundt Cake.

They should do a publicity tie-in featuring that ... I mean, in addition to this thread.

What about a cake recipe for the victims?

^^ This film's not interested in the female castmates / characters. So forget THAT.

[quote] Sorry but I can not believe any character who has that hair...give me a break. The combination of that hair and face? He does not look like a real person. That hair pretty much turns me off.

We'll re-shoot the movie just for you, then.

God forbid you dislike how people actually wore their hair in the past.

I called it on Netflix. Same director as the series, so it is a good companion piece for Netflix, not to mention they always overpay. The movie is not going to go anywhere awards or box office wise with such medicore reviews, but Netflix played the marketing game well.

Interview with the cast

What the fuck did he do to his hair?

My masturbatory fantasy: Zac and brother Dylan.

[quote]What the fuck did he do to his hair?

Psssst, he's an actor. It's for a role. I hope you're pretty.

[QUOTE]I called it on Netflix.

Yeah, you really stuck your neck out on that one.

R111 All things considered Ted came through the electrocution looking not too shabby.

[quote]I've never understood why people object to doing nudity, but then say it's cool to have a body double do it. Everyone's just going to assume they did the nudity anyway.

The person doesn't actually have to walk around on set naked, that can be very awkward and uncomfortable for people. They also can get someone who looks better than they do if they are feeling self-concious about it. Chris Evans made some comment about how his butt double for What's Your Number had a much better ass than he did.

Freddie Prinze Jr. Used a butt double for his teen flick “Summer Catch” with Jessica Biel cause Sarah Michelle Gellar wouldn’t allow him to get naked in front of other other people and said that’s for her only lol.

That’s where I first learned of butt doubles.

Chris Evans is surprisingly pale in person. Very pale skin, thinner than you would assume, and has a small ass, nice, but small. Im not shocked he used a butt double.

[quote]r42 The person doesn't actually have to walk around on set naked, that can be very awkward and uncomfortable for people.

It might be for all day, too.

Why bother if you don't have to?

Not everyone likes being naked, yet alone in front of people. Why make people feel bad about that?

r425 = Tobias Funke

Some actors like to feel they're hired for their acting.

If a producer needs nudity, then they can shoot that on their own time, with a double.

Done.

[quote]An awards season theatrical run is planned.

So, you guys don't have to worry about whether "Straight to video" is degrading or people missing the movie, because it's going to have a campaign like ROMA.

And the big-mouth @ r316 who thinks that nobody wants this movie and it sucks needs to upload a pic of himself EATING SHIT now.

I'm guessing Efron has a bony butt, r408.

Butt doubles can be for vanity as much as modesty.

I see Efron as having a hairy, bony butt.

Efron's done a few shots of actual nudity before. The stunt butt was for the scene with him jumping onto the motorcycle and riding off. He just had the double for the stunt, not because he was scared of nudity. Watch the shot of him running up to the motorcycle before jumping on. He stops for a minute and you can clearly see his own face and his own ass. That's all him, baby, and he has nothing to be ashamed of.

Efron did his own nudity minus the motorcycle scene and the beach scene.

I did, r419, when you see the delusional stan on this thread acting like a barely 61% RT movie was going to be snapped up by the likes of A24 or Fox Searchlight for a big awards push. And Netflix had a theatre run for the god awful BRIGHT and mediocre Bird Box. They do it for most of their films that have name stars.

It's a beautiful butt.

Yes Zac is beautiful from head to toe. Everyone knows this. Hence him still having a career despite terrible films and bombs.

When I was Zac's age, and had a fit as hell body, I was happy to be naked anywhere I could.

I was fit while a teen and in my 20s. I never was naked. You had to be worthy to see that.

And lots of hot guys I know were never naked beyond shirtless. Only on DL do you see people claiming being naked everywhere as some normal act. It’s not, it’s illegal in public (and not just the USA despite the lies I see on here)

You all are desensitized

You were fat.

hint hint....no face

Nope. I wasn’t fat. No one walks around naked like that. Notice how everyone is clothed minus Efron in the scene.

You may have that one or two “bro” types that think it’s funny but most wont do it.

[quote]Efron's done a few shots of actual nudity before. The stunt butt was for the scene with him jumping onto the motorcycle and riding off. He just had the double for the stunt, not because he was scared of nudity

He wasn't scared of the "stunt" of jumping on a bike, he just didn't want to run around naked in "public" where there would be tons of pictures of himself snapped. It wasn't on a set, it was location filming.

Some people will find a big difference in being naked on a closed set, and being naked in a place they are exposed.

Lighten up, Francis. I didn't go through the grocery store or to 7th period study hall naked. If we were swimming in the lake or quarry who gave a fuck if you just stripped down and swam? At our beach house in the summer it was always filled with teens. You had to take a shower before going in the house. We would always run in out naked doing that. It was funny and made for a lot of funny pictures. If you were out camping for a while and it rained and you wanted to to take a "shower" you got naked. In college after a few drinks if there was a hot tub most got naked in it. Lots of other natural occurrences. God. Just go put on a fucking Burka

R443 but that’s different. Skinny dipping or getting naked with reason ok. But you made it sound like all hot guys are walking around the streets naked. That’s lies.

[quote]But you made it sound like all hot guys are walking around the streets naked. That’s lies.

Are you autistic? Do you get how language works, things aren't always meant to be taken literally?

When that poster says "I would be naked all the time", they aren't literally saying they would go to grocery store naked. It is simple hyperbole, a way to express they would be happy to get naked whenever the opportunity presented itself.

I am utterly flabbergasted that this had to be argued about.

He said EVERYWHERE

Jesus H. I've learned to watch my pronouns. Now I guess I have to watch adverbs(did I get it right?).

He looks hotter here than he's ever looked but I can't watch a movie about a serial killer. It feels disrespectful to the victims, among other things.

'I think it's likely that Zac's a closeted gay because of all the strong indicators.' But these aren't indicators though, just people assuming. As far as I'm aware there is literally zero evidence to suggest Zac is gay. Show me the receipts and I'd be more inclined to believe it. Until then I'm not convinced.

Oh, hon

[qr443 Lighten up, Francis.... We would always run in and out naked doing that. It was funny and made for a lot of funny pictures. ...

So when is this coming out?

Who the hell are these freaks who were constantly swimming naked in a quarry!? This is not normal or appropriate behavior no matter how you justify it.

This is a crazy thread!

I officially have Bundy Fatigue.

I’m Excited To See This

Has it gone straight to video yet?

It's straight to streaming these days gramps.

It’s coming to Netflix in a few weeks

I was surprised at the subdued tone of this film. Efron gives a great performance.

[quote]They are human whether you are comfortable with that fact or not. Understanding them as best we can is beneficial to all.

There is no mystery about what is behind the psyche of serial killers: it's a complete lack of empathy for other people. Their victims are merely playthings for their fantasies.

I am watching it now and it’s surprisingly good

The scene that really stands out is the court scene with john malkovich has the judge that sentences him to the gas chamber. That is where Zac acting skill comes through and john was fantastic with his closing statement to him after he is sentenced to death.

The soundtrack is surprisingly great

I had my doubts about Zac in the role but he was incredible in this. Really got to show off his acting chops

Why was Efron so tanned in this? Bundy was white as hell.

Just finished, liked it a lot. If Efron had done this right after "Hairspray" he could have gotten a Golden Globe nom. But he has burned his rep with total garbage movies. he was very good in a Mary Louise Parker made for TV movie about an autistic runner, he can act. He chose to be a movie star instead.

R468 actually he’s been wanting to do serious roles since after he did HSM3. Those roles never get offered to him. He’s spoken about how he doesn’t like most of his movies, Chris Evans the same.

He was good in “Me & Orson Welles” and “Charlie St. Cloud” also.

He was too young to do this right after Hairspray. He was like 17 or 18.

The only roles offered to him are teen flicks (which he avoids now), romance, musicals and Frat Boy flicks. He avoided musicals for years to keep away from that image until The Greatest Showman cause he liked the script and music for it and also thought people would like to see him go back to his roots.

He was 18 when filming Hairspray and 19 when it was released. He was far too young to be Ted Bundy.

I got to say I never thought he had it in him, but he was rather brilliant in it. The last scene when they are talking in the phone is his Emmy ticket.

R472 Netflix movies don’t get Emmy nods now that they get Oscar nods.

Was it always supposed to be a Netflix movie. Was it bought when they realized it would not be a hit ?

R474 it was highly praised at the Film festival, with so much demand to see it extra showings of it were added. It got a standing O every time, mainly for Zacs dramatic turn.

However, no one was buying it, probably for what you said, they knew it wouldn’t be a hit (no matter who starred) and Netflix bought it (which it actually fits better here with all the Bundy videos and docs they have)

Is Zac short ? He looks tiny in this movie. A serial killer is on the loose and you pick up a stranger in the bar ?

R476 huh? What does his height have to do with that? He’s 5’7.

And that is what happened in real life...

Actually this one could easily be in the TV film category cause it wasn’t played in theaters before being available on Netflix.

Roma had to play in theaters for a certain amount of time to be eligible for the Oscars.

I think My Friend Dahmer starring DL Fave Ross Lynch is so much better...

Lily Collins made a movie about anorexia and didn’t learn a damn thing.

Lily Collins is very pretty!

Netflix is the right home for this, can't see it being a theatrical hit.

Zac Efron does well in what he is asked to do, which isnt actually a ton. It's less a movie about Ted Bundy and more a movie about his relationship with Elizabeth Kloepfer. The movie humanizes Ted Bundy too much actually, it kinda glosses over him being a compulsive serial killer, trying not to dwell too much in the murders. And tries to plays up that he really loves Liz. In truth, Bundy had tried to kill her one night. A monster like Bundy can't control it, no matter who it is, they need to kill.

[Quote]Kloepfer asked if he had ever considered murdering her. After a long silence, he confessed to feeling “it coming on” one night when he was staying over at her apartment. “I closed the damper so the smoke couldn’t go up the chimney,” Bundy told her. “And then I left and put a towel in the crack under the door so the smoke would stay in the apartment.”

Also it is really jarring when they cut the real Bundy, his body is such a contrast to Efron's ripped body. We talked about that when the trailer came out, but showing the real Ted over the credits just brought the point home.

Look, you queens, sorry if I wasn't true enough to Ted's body for you, but when you have a body like mine, you don't fuck with it!

Well they didn’t expect Efron to get fatter for the role. His entire career has been built on his image and teen heartthrob status he can’t shake off no matter what.

Lily is pretty. Her mother or Phil Collins wife or exwife must be beautiful...

I like My Friend Dahmer starring DL Ross Lynch much more...

Zac probably would have been raped in prison the first day in prison...

Makeup is terrible. Zac almost looks like he has black face....

Dahmer is more interesting to me than Bundy. He actually hated the act of killing but loved playing with the bodies too much. After trying murder the first time he couldn't even get himself to go through with it again for many years, and he would drink to build up the courage to do it.

R480 have you seen her in Les Miserables on PBS?

They really fucked up her look in that.

Is grown Talks to Dead People boy the only man in town ? Lily's character turns to alchol but looks like she only has one glass of carrot juice a day...

I can't tell if Zac is wearing a wig or not.

I have never watched an episode of The Big Bang in my life....

The girl with the glasses is very good . Who is she ?

R489 Kaya Scodelario. She is from The Maze Runner movies and the last Pirates movie.

Was she Veronica in the horrible Heathers TV show?

R491 no that was someone else in the movie lol.

Bundy should have taken the deal, he could have been a celebrity prisoner a la Charles Manson.

But of course Bundy's ego was too great for that, he always believed he was the smartest person in the room and could fool people into thinking he was a normal human. Couldn't accept that he was actually going to be executed.

Zac is good. Not Darren Criss good but still good....I care nothing about this dumb girl who still is holding a candle for Bundy. She didn't act like a girl who turned him in....

[quote]She didn't act like a girl who turned him in....

That's real life, which isn't as cut and dry with everything in a pretty little bow.

Yes, she turned in his name. In real life she actually contacted the cops with a lot of information that made her suspicious. And yes, she did also stand by him for a long time during his early trials. And she admitted afterwards she will always love Bundy.

Human beings are complicated.

if the movie had more moments like when he finally admits the truth it would have been a good moment I think Zac will get some Emmy attention....

Why didn't we get to see anything of his childhood and why he became such a monster?

It's not a Ted Bundy biopic r497, its based around Liz's memoir and their relationship.

Did she know nothing about it? Or did she just not bother writing about it? You'd have thought she too would have wondered what caused his evil.

His mother lied to him, so did his grandmother, they pretended his mother was his sister and his grandmother was his mother. Two women, lied to him in his formative years. He hated and didn't trust women.

Yeah Bundy hated that he was some illegitimate bastard without a father and that they lied to him about who his mother was. And of course it has always been rumored that his biological father is his grandfather and he is an incest baby, though it was never proven one way or the other.

Are we really making excuses for him killing women?

We're trying to understand the aetiology.

There’s nothing to understand.

I know people that have been through worse and don’t start murdering people.

No one is trying to justify anything, Bundy was one of America's worst monsters, we don't even know and will never know how many innocent women he killed.

But there is a reason there is a huge body of research that goes into studying serial killers, that was a huge sea change in the FBI when they realized that there *is* something to understand about them.

[quote]I know people that have been through worse and don’t start murdering people.

So what? People are INDIVIDUALS. Some people DO start killing people and there's a reason for it. I want to know what the reasons are.

There’s no understanding the mind of a serial killer

[quote]There’s no understanding the mind of a serial killer

Ok, whatever you say...

There isn’t.

The science says otherwise, there has been a lot of progress into understanding the brains of serial killers.

People who are diagnosed as psychopaths actually have visible differences in their brain, though of course only a select group of psychopaths end up going down the road to become a serial killer.

[quote]Are we really making excuses for him killing women?

Yes. He was obviously victimized too.

The title is off-putting. It makes it sound like they are not taking Bundy's crimes seriously.

R513 you all don’t so why should they?

H A C K S A W

R513, as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread, the title comes from what the judge said to Bundy upon sentencing him to death.

How do people claim to have seen the movie but didn’t catch the judge saying the title in his speech?

I think it’s disgusting how Bundy was treated as a superior and even the judge seemed to like him despite his crimes.

Why is Ted being portrayed by a nelly homosexual?

Zac isn’t homo and if he is who cares? It’s called ACTING.

I think the judge had the hots for Ted. That is mostly why he got by with so much his good looks.

R520 he wasn’t gay.

He was an older gentleman that saw a handsome, intelligent and charming “young man” and saw nothing but potential there. He admired him and wanted him to do good. But it was too late.

Not everything is about sex. Jesus.

[Quote]I think it’s disgusting how Bundy was treated as a superior and even the judge seemed to like him despite his crimes

But that *is* who Ted Bundy was, yes even the judge who decided to sentence him to death was charmed by him.

You can't rewrite history, its key to understanding how Ted operated, and understanding Liz's actions whose book this is based on.

Ted Bundy was cute. Many sisters must have fallen in love with him as well.

He was handsome when he cleaner up and got rid of that unibrow

The movie is odd. Not only is it choppy and jumps around a lot, but it only presents the image that Ted projected, the audience doesn't really get to see the real Ted except in a couple short glimpses.

That means Efron is forced to give a partial performance of the man, and if you weren't already familiar with Bundy it doesn't tell you much about him or showcase the real him. It just teases it at the end with the "Hacksaw" scene, which was well done but odd that it is the only time the movie actually peers beneath the veil of the main character.

Watched it yesterday on Netflix and it's a bit of a mess. At least it doesn't exploit (or even show) the murders but what it does show isn't that interesting either. And Zac looks like a boy doing a man's job for real. No inner life at all.

R525 the main character was Liz.

It’s based off the book she wrote about being with him.

Do they show a scene before execution where his ass is stuffed with cotton wool?

Yes, in close-up!

O.K., it's time for the "Nothing to Understand/ Nothing to See Here" Troll to FUCK OFF, STRAIGHT DOWN THE SHITTER.

r462 wrote:

[quote]There is no mystery about what is behind the psyche of serial killers: it's a complete lack of empathy for other people. Their victims are merely playthings for their fantasies.

You can pretend to be an omniscient genius who can spot every psycho perfectly all you want, but that still leaves THE VAST, UNWASHED MASSES who DON'T UNDERSTAND how psychos operate or even know what the word "emapthy" means.

The culture needs more demonstrations of dangerous psychological disorders, not fewer.

Not only do people need to know how to spot a psycho or sociopath, they need to learn how to fight back and stop them. So every horror movie from EXTREMELY WICKED to the most gratuitous slasher IS VALID AND IMPORTANT LITERATURE THAT BENEFITS SOCIETY WITH IMPORTANT LESSONS TO HEED.

The "Nothing to Understand" Troll just needs to admit she's a priss who turns a blind eye to the ugly truths in life. If you want to be a coward, a censor, an ignoramus and a prude, that's your prerogative.

BUT STOP FAULTING OTHER PEOPLE who would rather understand, defend themselves, empower themselves and preserve a good quality of life instead of just burying their heads in the sand like you!

IGNORING PROBLEMS ONLY MAKES THEM WORSE, HUNTY!

And justifying murder makes it even worse trash r530

I was also disappointed they didn't touch on his upbringing. Isn't Bundy the guy that had a psycho grandmother who was into bestiality?

A gross family all around.

THE. FILM. IS. BASED. ON. LIZ. AND. HIS. RELATIONSHIP.

SHE WAS THE MAIN CHARACTER.

Maybe she was supposed to be the main character, but no one knows who she is, or cares for that matter. It's all about Ted. At least it should have been about Ted. So if it wasn't about Ted, the movie as a whole suffers, with the result of it being worse than it has to be.

It's also an insult to Zac who is denied opportunities to shine and show off his chops.

Zac can still show off his chops even if he’s not 100% the focus.

It's just he didnt get a chance to really play Ted Bundy and go into the character, the nature of the movie kept him on a leash.

He was fantastic as far as I am concern.

I thought he did incredible

r536 Exactly. He would have if they had shown some of the murders.

Yeah, as presented, he's not remotely scary. At all. I know Bundy appeared "normal" but come on... he wasn't.

Farrah Fawcett did a much more magnificent job playing Diane Downs.

You are building a straw man r537/r538.

No one is saying he didnt do a good job, but normally when actors play these characters they get to play both the exterior shell navigating society, and the depraved psychopath who gets off on torture and murder.

Its notable that Zac did not. He wasn't given the chance to do the range of say Christian Bale in American Psycho.

They didn’t wanna exploit the dead women.

[quote]Yeah, as presented, he's not remotely scary.

That's THE POINT of Ted Bundy. Women weren't scared of him, until he raped and murdered them. He was a good looking seducer.

Women didn’t find Bundy scary... so they did it right.

How many times does the same point have to be made?

Yes Bundy was effective at pretending to be a normal person, but he underneath the actor was a psychopath who had an unquenchable thirst to kill and loved to commit depraved acts like having sex with corpses.

This production makes the choice to only present the former, and we never really get to see Bundy without his mask on. It's a choice that doesn't work for everybody.

[quote]Maybe she was supposed to be the main character, but no one knows who she is, or cares for that matter. It's all about Ted. At least it should have been about Ted. So if it wasn't about Ted, the movie as a whole suffers, with the result of it being worse than it has to be.

Yes, it is so unfortunate that no other movies about Ted Bundy have ever been made.

I had started watching the real tapes and got bored but after seeing the movie with Zac, I've gone back to the tapes.

I remember when this happened but I was too little to catch the trail or understand it, but I had heard of Ted Bundy and remember the film with Mark Harmon.

I can't get over how he escaped custody twice. What did they say was his reasoning for killing all those women.

There was mention that he was raised thinking his grandparents were his parents but it was actually his older sister who was his mother. That happened to Jack Nicholson also and I knew someone personally that was the mother of her brother.

r542, the movie was based on the girlfriends Memoirs and how she saw him. When he wrote HACKSAW on the window that was dropping the mask.

r494, What she did was call the police when she noticed the picture of him looked liked him and had the same car. The police told her that the car wasn't the same so it wasn't him. But they put his name on a list. She felt GUILTY because she thought she was causing him to get jammed up in other messes because she got his name on the list. She was hoping that it wasn't him because she then felt guilt because she didn't do enough and had she done more maybe lives could have been saved. She followed everything because she thought that she missed something and lives were lost because of him.

r493, from the tapes and the film, I almost thought he didn't believe he did it either. There was some talk that he might have had multiple personality or now called Dissociate identity disorder. Where he switched on a dime how he reacted to someone.

He sabotaged his own trial.

What is it when you have no empathy for others but you don't go around hurting people or other living things. You know you really don't give a shit about anyone. Never had. But you fit fine in society because you can pretend well enough and say what people want to hear. Though you'll never be a threat or even commit the smallest of crimes Asking for a friend of course.

Autistic Spectrum Disorder?

[Quote] What did they say was his reasoning for killing all those women

People that try to analyze Bundy will point out that after growing up feeling like an outcast loser his whole life, the first girl he fell in love with dumped him because she felt he was a loser.

But like most serial killers, Bundy described it as urge to kill that he couldn't ignore. You have fantasies about it, and you do and you are hooked. The power over another person, the way you can inspire fear and control them and extinguish life. It makes you feel powerful.

It gives serial killers a high that nothing else can satiate, which is why they go on killing again and again.

[quote]r495 she turned in his name. In real life she actually contacted the cops with a lot of information that made her suspicious. And yes, she did also stand by him for a long time during his early trials. And she admitted afterwards she will always love Bundy. Human beings are complicated.

Is the film as much hers as his? Do they have equal screen time? Or is it just nominally about her because it's inspired by her book?

Because I care next to nothing about Ted Bundy. But the story of a killer's girlfriend's is more interesting (and unexplored.)

[quote]What is it when you have no empathy for others but you don't go around hurting people or other living things. You know you really don't give a shit about anyone. Never had. But you fit fine in society because you can pretend well enough and say what people want to hear. Though you'll never be a threat or even commit the smallest of crimes Asking for a friend of course.

The majority of psycho/sociopaths are nonviolent and law-abiding. In fact, they frequently occupy roles in the upper echelons of society (politicians, businessmen, etc.).

Correct r556. Just because someone is a psychopath does not mean they are some type of criminal or murderer.

A former friend of mine I'm pretty sure is a psychopath, he could be fun to hang out with, but eventually I realized how manipulative he could be and that at his core he has a callous disregard for anyone other than himself.

Lily Collins was at the MET Gala this year and looked AMAZING

What an awful movie.

I thought Zac was excellent. I was surprised by how good he was. I thought it would be campy, but it was well done. I would give it a solid B+.

And libel won't ever make your accusation true, r531.

First you lie about EXTREMELY WICKED, then you lie about what people "understand," then you lie about what I wrote means. All this and you get to determine what people can see, too, Your prissy judgement is just so superior without any reasons WHY.

STFU, your mind is narrow, your soul is cowardly and your heart is dishonest. You lost the argument AGES AGO so STFU.

P.S. Murder is justified for self defense, asswipe. But I'm sure you only "understand" running away.

I was enjoying the movie until Sheldon Cooper showed up and the judge is all wrong.

hockey players always make the sexiest gifs

[QUOTE]I was enjoying the movie until Sheldon Cooper showed up and the judge is all wrong.

The judge was a major screwup. I don’t get it. Why would you make a documentary that prominently featured the man, showing us all his appearance and voice and mannerisms, and then cast someone for your movie version who looks and sounds nothing like him?

r565 cause its John Malkovich

Is it important to the story that actor looks/sounds like the real life judge...? No, it really isn't. Malkovich did great.

Sorry for the misplaced gif. Anyway I give the movie a B-. The best thing about it was Zac's performance. Not that it was so great but that it will open some doors for some roles he might not have gotten. Which I approve of. I just love looking at him

[QUOTE]Is it important to the story that actor looks/sounds like the real life judge...?

Why did everyone else look like their characters? Why not cast Michael B. Jordan as Ted Bundy since it doesn’t matter?

Especially since the movie was named for what the judge said.

Malkovich clearly thinking, 'I once got to play the psycho killer the whole movie and got an Oscar nod for it -- and now look what has happened. I'm going to FUCK this part up as much as I can."

I actually really enjoyed it. He was also pretty good in The Paperboy with Nicole Kidman and a very ugly John Cusack.

Were the Bundy courtroom scenes/press really that diversified back then?

No. It was all made up. There wasn't a PoC in sight. Florida was completely White.

R574 bullshit. Watch the pics. There were black people there.

Black people have been here for hundreds of years r573 stupid

Rose from Miami is checking in at R575.

There were many black people on Ted Bundy's jury. His Florida crimes happened in Tallahassee which has a large black population.

Though I don't know why we are even talking about this.

r577 cause racists can't believe black people were sitting in the same room as whites.

In some ways, America was less racist back then. Race relations worsened under Reagan & Bush.

Give me a break. There were still a few stray lynchings down south back then. White America was in the midst of a mass exodus abandoning whole cities just to avoid living with black people back then. Northern and midwestern whites put up barriers to prevent black folks from moving into their neighborhoods and when the barriers came down, they harassed and physically assaulted their new “neighbors” before giving up and fleeing like rats. America was as racist as ever.

America has been and always will be racist. People do not wanna grow or learn

So, what is the point of this film? Do we get anything that isn't presented in the numerous documentaries about this killer? Was it just made because we all like to get grubby, vicarious thrills by seeing true life crime, or is there some deeper purpose/message to it?

There are no "grubby thrills" in this, they don't show a single murder r582.

The point of this movie is to show what it was like to be in a relationship with Ted Bundy. Her story was not widely known.

Did you even watch it?

I just watched it last night (and actually read the entire thread here). I am glad it wasn't in the theaters because it would've been a waste of $10 and a trip off my sofa honestly . It wasn't that great. It jumped around a lot & didn't really go deep into anything....especially for those of us who have read "The Mask of Sanity" or "Without Conscience" (which I know is a lot based on some interesting DL threads on psychopaths over the years).

I don't know why I expected more of that angle. I guess that was my fault for expecting more of a psycho-thriller than just a superficial coverage of some of his court shenanigans and escapes + the girlfriend interactions, as everyone is mentioning. Though, she didn't seem to take center stage. The script didn't really have her as center stage, so I am not sure what the director is talking about. It was not written through her eyes.

I wonder how they got his hair to do that? Do you you think Zac had to sit with rollers in his hair every morning? A perm, perhaps? Or just a curling iron and lots of aqua net? He looked good once it was later on in the film and they trimmed the bulky sides off his hair. And his body was 100x more built and ripped than anyone in the 70s... including Bundy for sure - who was just a plain, thin guy. Also, it appeared he had makeupin the crevices between his ab muscles and pecs (he definitely did on Baywatch). Why they felt the need to do that in this is beyond me.

[quote]r583 Did you even watch it?

Of course I didn't watch it. It sounds like trash.

[quote]r583 The point of this movie is to show what it was like to be in a relationship with Ted Bundy. Her story was not widely known.

Then why doesn't the title relate to her? As it is, the title taps into that grubby appeal we all have toward violence.

This review points out how fake the whole claim the film has much to do with the girlfriend at all:

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[italic]Why tell a story that’s already been told before? We see it so much, particularly in the midst of the recent true crime boom, that we barely think about that question beyond the first obvious answer: “Because it’s an interesting story.” But perspective is everything, ...

Perspective is an issue that dogs Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile, even more so than its ungainly title. The narrative feature from veteran documentarian Joe Berlinger seems as though it’s setting out to be the story of serial killer Ted Bundy told through the eyes of his girlfriend, Liz Kloepfer (Lily Collins.) It’s a good premise, and an interesting idea to delve into the “charming sociopath” profile that Bundy exemplified through the eyes of the person who was perhaps most charmed. But Berlinger’s film gets sucked into the gravity of sensational events that are already a matter of public record, and spends so much time meticulously recreating them that the perspective is diluted. It isn’t long before the film seems to lose any perspective at all.

... During the film’s last act, when the action converges on the media circus of Bundy’s Florida trial, Liz is absent, save for cutaways of her smoking nervously while watching the trial on television with her new anti-Ted beau (Haley Joel Osment.) The trial is as entertaining as it must have been in real life, especially with John Malkovich presiding over it as judge, and Ted peackocking about as his own prosecutor. But I’m not sure that there’s any more insight in that scene than there would have been on television in 1979.

Yeah the GF is there but it's not "her story"

"told through the eyes of his girlfriend, Liz Kloepfer (Lily Collins.) " -- huh? no it wasn't. Or maybe someone put drugs in my takeout last night.

Just watched on Netflix. Not bad enough that I regret watching, but pretty dull and forgettable. It doesn't feel like a movie you'd see in a theater, instead it has a "Lifetime original movie" feel to it.

Lily Collins's character was boring as hell—all she does is drink and cry and mope.

Zac, however, was fuckable and charming in the role, and you get to see his bare ass twice.

The last 15 or so mins, when Ted confesses to Liz about decapitating that chick with a hacksaw, was also legit eerie.

[quote]It doesn't feel like a movie you'd see in a theater,

So far, Netflix's The Highwaymen is the only one that has felt like a theatrical event to me. The score, cinematography, and production design were very reminiscent of period films that were abundant in the 1990s (e.g., A River Runs Through It). I bet it looks gorgeous on the big screen! Too bad I missed the two weeks when it was out in select theaters prior to Netflix.