Trump prepping National Emergency

R1 is an ill informed troll.

I’m okay with this... because then no Democrats will have to say they agreed to it or voted for it. Only Trump can be blamed when it shits the bed.

His supporters want to turn the Mexican border into the DMZ. I tangled with one this morning.

[quote]Will this put the nail in his coffin?

This, like everything else he has ever done will NOT do a thing to him. The repukes won't do a thing. The dems have no power to do anything to him. No they alone cannot remove him from office.

Is it 6 a.m. in Russia? Did all the Russian trolls just wake from their Vodka stupor?

There aren't a lot of other options available. The sad thing is that Pelosi is smart enough to know that the story was always going to end with the wall being built, one way or another, so why make all the workers suffer just to show how long you could hold out against it?

What an idiot.

Because it’s a fucking waste and disgrace r7.

How did the price go up to 7 billion?

No, R7, people shouldn't have joined the NAZI Party just because it was going to end the way it did. Are you a fuckin’ idiot?

R10 Trump gets 20% kickback

Trump‘s base will love this. Everyone else will be appalled. It will be the end of any possibility of a second term.

That stupid fucking racist wall is NEVER going to be built. If you believe it is, you must be as dumb as Trump or his supporters. The eminent domain cases alone will be in court for years, until long after the Clown is gone.

R7, that fucking wall is not going to be built. As soon as this national emergency is challenged in the courts, it’s going to drag and drag, maybe for years. Not to mention they won’t have the money even with $5 billion to build this fucking wall. Try $50 billion.

“I have other alternatives if I have too.” - Trump

He’ll be sued right quick. He’ll never get an emergency order for something that the Congress considered and refused to fund.

What r14/r15 said. Isn't that obvious or is everyone an idiot?

Would 7 billion even cover the costs of finishing the wall across southern California? It would cost ten times what he is saying to build a wall all the way from CA to TX. Plus, the eminent domain cases will be tied up in the courts for decades. The wall is never going to happen. Ever.

I’ve heard as much as $500 billion to $2 trillion for completion of the wall, with the bronze tipped uprights and an option. It’s a nice touch.

You just know that money will end up stuff the pockets of Trump cronies. You'll get up with a shoddy sham of a wall and when Trump is out, everyone will be too busy cleaning up his other messes to account for the wasted money.

This is sinking his approval numbers into the low 30s. He is committing political hara-kiri

If he tries to steal money from the defense funds he'll be sued and the lawsuits will last until the end of his term. And no wall will ever be built.

I'm sure that's the best possible scenario for him, r22

Maybe he’s invested in DC law firms?

I have this sick feeling that Trump ‘s number one job is to divide Americans and foment violence and destroy social cohesion, starting with my siblings.

sorry to hear that, r25

Our country is suffering from depression because of Trump the Creator. Maybe one day pieces of the wall be in display in a museum.

Hey freeper cunt fuck R1, none of Obama's held the country hostage for billions of dollars.

Taking funds from military is blatent violation of seperation of power. Even the conservative SC will slam him.

Thanks, R26. My eldest brother, I don’t care enough about to discuss any of it with him. He lives in a Blue state but raises the subject often enough and is surprised, every time, when I tell him I disagree with whatever policy he’s complaining about, and don’t care to chat about it with him. It killed me when I heard him refer to Liberals as “haters”. Should I have said, “oh, no, you should take that personally.”?

Then my twin - she’s a great woman and is just brainwashed by the cult. She also can’t shut up about it, which is unfortunate, particularly since her husband and his sister only need to overhear her, and they start shouting. Usually they start with “you know what really bothers me? It’s...”.

Stephen Miller is going to make Trump as unpopular as Stephen Miller.

The rethugs will just shrug their shoulders and say it's the Dems fault because they don't care enough about border security to try to stop MUSLIM terrorists from streaming across the border to even negotiate with the Fraud in Chief.

Why do those Dems demand open borders? Don’t they love America?

My Deplorable nephew once, briefly, posted an essay written by another college student titled something like “Why I’m a Conservative.” If included being pro-family. I wish I’d copied it. It was really well written, as far as the words, I mean; and poorly written as far as the thoughts. I mean, did she think that Liberals simply hate the concept of “family”? Was I hatched?

Nothing will put a nail in his coffin. His people love him. McConnell will do whatever he wants. They are sick bastards, and our country is screwed for at least 2 more years.

We need this wall. I feel unsafe.

Wall is so last millennium. We new killer drones on patrol shoot to kill men, women, children, babies, dogs, cats, and other critters that dare cross our borders. That will really satisfy their bloodthirsty egos, which is what it is all about anyway.

This continues to be win/win for the Democrats. National emergency will take forever in the courts if it even happens. If SC gives Trump the ok, it gives future Dem Presidents incredible future power to deal with climate change and gun control.

I have to wonder why/how Roger Stone is still walking round, unindicted?

Likewise, Don Jr.? Don met with the Russians at Trump Tower. I think he arranged the Trump side of the meeting. And he lied repeatedly about the meeting, admitting only to whatever newly leaked info came out.

And also Jared. He revised some of his government employment forms multiple times, as his info was discovered. I think I heard 40 times. I once had a secret clearance and maybe they would ignore one revision of the application.

How can these losers still be unindited? I can only hope it is because Mueller is using them to get Trump. But still?

[quote]We need killer drones on patrol shoot to kill men, women, children, babies, dogs, cats, and other critters that dare cross our borders.

Would it really come to that for illegal border crossers to take the hint? Surely there's a better way to prevent lawless people from getting across the border.

R39, he was kidding.

People who actually know the subject matter, will tell you that a wall will not stop anyone from going over, under, and through it. People will always go to great lengths for jobs and freedom.

Most of his shit supporters live in states paying less than shit in taxes and mooch off of the govt, so of course they want this shit. It's not their money, the useless, red state fucks.

Oh, Jarred was the one who sought a communication channel through the Russian Embassy so as to avoid scrutiny by our intelligence community. This alone should have disqualified him from service.

[quote]How did the price go up to 7 billion?

Be prepared for it to keep going up because Trump supporting-trash are lying, hypocritical parasites who wouldn't know fiscal conservatism if it repeatedly punched them.. I hope every Trump supporter drops dead. Fuck your family members who support him.

[quote]a wall will not stop anyone from going over, under, and through it. People will always go to great lengths for jobs and freedom.

So you're advocating for something more serious than a wall to stop them? What would that be?

Is this how democracy finally dies? A bogus national emergency declared and the entrenched Republican Party willingly drowning our government in a toilet bowl and there is not a thing we can do about it but thrash around in the House until November 2020. That’s too long. We might be Venezuela by then.

Trump supporters prepare to go into the street and warn the public that the caravan of drug dealers and rapists is drawing nearer.

As a furloughed employee, this is bullshit. All around. Sure I'll get paid when its over, but (I know this is really corny) I hate taking pay for not having worked.

1) Trump can't make up his mind. He's the president for Christ's sake. Do something! 2) But Congress has recessed for the weekend--why isn't EVERYONE in DC working this out?

The sad truth is that we are slaves to elected officials. Who are multimillionaires--both sides--and are treating this like a game of chicken.

Total bullshit!

[quote] R44: So you're advocating for something more serious than a wall to stop them? What would that be?

More effective and less expensive. I have no idea what about a wall is “serious” or not. They could invest in border guards, drones, motion detectors, and the like.

We could also create a national employment ID card; require all employers check for such an ID; and fine employers who do not. Then hire people to go around employers checking for these IDs. As long as there are jobs, there’ll be immigrants to fill them.

Then, improve processing of asylum seekers, which are very different from illegal immigrants. We are obligated by treetie to treat them differently.

[quote]Who are multimillionaires--both sides--and are treating this like a game of chicken.

Man, I am so sick of people like you being so insufferable. You know god damned well that "both sides" aren't the same. And it doesn't make you look "rational" when you pull this nonsense - It makes you look lazy.

Contractors will likely not ever be paid for missed work.

Also, the furloughed federal employees won’t be getting compensated for overtime that they migh otherwise have gotten.

R41 Oh fuck you. Many red states pay as much or more as the blue states. I thought we had settled this stupid argument months ago.

R49 are you telling me you really think these politicians care about anything except not saving face? Both sides?

How is this benefiting this country and its citizens?

And R50, employee overtime is not what it used to be, trust me

No, Florida. Do you have a link? It’s been historically true and I haven’t heard that it had changed. Red states also have a disproportionate number of military bases, further keeping them afloat.

[quote][R41] Oh fuck you. Many red states pay as much or more as the blue states. I thought we had settled this stupid argument months ago.

Put down the meth, asshole. Most of the top 10 takers are red, most at the bottom are blue. What exactly did you settle? That you'd just keep LYING about this"?

R52, you can listen to Nancy for yourself. She’s said “the Wall is an immorality”. I find her to be sincere and credible.

[quote] How is this benefiting this country and its citizens?

The Dems position benefits the country by not increasing the National Debt for the President’s vanity project. Because buckling would only encourage Trump to repeat his tactics in other areas. Because a $5 billion initial payment would only encourage additional funding, that we can’t afford on something that will not work.

Listening to clueless furloughed prison guards in Louisiana weeping that they can't afford gas to drive to Wal Mart to fill their prescriptions. When cornered and asked: Who'd you vote for? Thier response was : "This is not about politics" Sorry votes have consequences Curtis.

[quote][R49] are you telling me you really think these politicians care about anything except not saving face? Both sides?

Did you also use the "both sides" nonsense when Obama was trying to get affordable healthcare for everyone while Republicans just wanted to continue to allow the healthcare industry to bankrupt every family if even one member got cancer?

This asshole president and his troglodyte Rep supporters are using fear and hysteria to get a wall that won't do shit and that will cost an insane amount of money. Our country's infrastructure is a mess and he wants to spend on some nonsense because he has convinced idiots who are already full of hate that the biggest threat to them are brown people. The Dem side is not coming from the same place as the Rep side, so when you say "both sides" as if both sides have the same level of bullshit that they're spewing, then sorry, but you can't be take seriously.

Working class white Americans are amongst the dumbest people who ever lived. Suckers. I laugh at their tears. They deserve every hardship they voted for.

Here’s one list. Red states are the lowest contributing.

I cannot comprehend the fact that within the borders of my country live tens of millions of morons who think a wall along the American side of the Rio Grande will somehow purify the United States of drugs, of rapes, of murders, of gangs, etc.

And THEN we can have our lovely secure land of fascism, racism, misogyny, homophobia, guns, reduced social benefits/entitlements, gutted healthcare insurance, financial hardship from trade tariffs, kidnapped migrant children, etc., etc., etc.

Trump wants a “prorated down payment for the Wall”.

Nancy said:

She didn’t know if Trump knows what he means by “down payment”. When asked about “prorated payment”, she replied that she didn’t know what that means. Other than it meaning that Trump wants money to get started on paying for the Wall, something Nancy refuses to do.

It would become a maintenance nightmare. A money pit.

I’d rather they allocate $5 billion towards infrastructure maintence today.

R44, Have you ever observed an American road being widened, maybe a mile, mile and a half, stretch?

I have. It took PennDot YEARS.

Do you know how wide the border between Mexico and the US is? Yeah, more than a mile and a half.

You won't see any wall completed in your lifetime.

Chuck Schumer just released a statement that he will not support funding for building a wall, “prorated, or otherwise.”

And they need an environmental impact statement before proceeding.

. . It would become a maintenance nightmare. A money pit.

That's the plan, Stan.

I will seriously consider Republican's desire to build a Border wall, the moment they fine every multi-million Business that had illegaly employed migrant workers Hundreds of thousands of dollars for each violation staring, for example: Chicken processing plants, Corporate Farms, Wal-mart distribution Centers, and huge Landscaping/Nursery Centers.

I believe the Republican Party is against Illegal Immigration like I believe Billionaires are FOR the Estate Tax.

[quote]They could invest in border guards, drones, motion detectors, and the like.

Those things would only notify law enforcement that illegals have crossed the border. It's made completely useless if a judge then prevents their deportations and releases them into the general population (likely).. It would be essential to find a solution that prevents people from physically entering the United States.

R68, you mean, like closing all the airports?

In any event, no wall will prevent people from physically entering the US. And, the Wall would instead cause the starvation of other programs, the ones that work, from being properly funded.

I hope that he declares a national emergency as a way to salve his wounded ego and we get the government reopened. Fine, if that's what it takes. The next Democratic president will appreciate the leg up for climate change and guns.

This wall will never be built. First, the emergency declaration will be challenged. That will take time to make it through the courts. Then there are the eminent domain lawsuits. Then the environmental impact lawsuits. Plus, five or seven million will build a very small section of this monstrosity to his ego -- which seems entirely appropriate.

He will be long gone before anything really happens. The next president will put a fast stop to this lunacy.

R67, +1. Did Republicans tighten immigration controls when Bush junior was in power and they controlled both chambers of Congress? Or during the Trump administration before the Democrats won the House? Nooooope. Big Business loves cheap immigrant labor, and Republicans love every word that comes out of Big Business's mouth.

R65, I read that if Trump declares an emergency they don’t have to do an environmental impact study. Which might be why he wants to do it that way. The construction companies that do it would be happy to exterminate every rare species between here and the Rio Grande.

It’s my understanding the wall area includes areas where animals travel back and forth for water and for breeding. If it cut off water for a lot of endangered species, it wouldn’t pass the environmental impact study anyway. Not to mention a lot of that land is Native American treaty land and they’ve already said Trump can’t have it.

The real reason Trump is doing this is that he wants to establish s legal precedent that if the President loses Congress, it doesn’t matter, because if Congress doesn’t do what he wants, he can just override Congress. The idea that he lost a branch of the government shouldn’t hold him back at all, in his eyes. Just ignore that the House exists and move on without them.

That is unconstitutional as hell. Trump’s excuse would be that he doesn’t need to worry about the constitution because he’s a businessman and therefore the constitution doesn’t apply to him. He wants to run the country as a private citizen, as if government policies are just crooked business deals.

The Congress has the power of the purse, per the constitution. If he tries to steal money from bills Congress passed previously to pay for it, that’s illegal. That’s years of legal challenges, but it doesn’t mean he won’t get something. Nancy needs to stall. Maybe she could sign a bill saying the wall building will start 20 years from now. Then Trump will be gone and they can drop it long before then.

And yet that stupid stunt STILL won't pay TSA, the IRS or interior, etc.

This idiot will scream national emergency and the government will still be shutdown and forcing people to work without pay.

Fuck him. The losers who voted for this traitor need to suffer endlessly for their stupidity.

The only way these shitstains learn is through pain. Let them forfeit their tax refunds (if they even get one this year thanks to the tax scam) for their precious wall. I want endless stories about their sniveling because they don't get a refund or they can't get their farm loans.

Fuck.

Them.

Will the Supreme Court go along with it?

I am hearing more and more that “Trump is the National Emergency.”

He’s also the Enemy of the People, per that poll.

Oh, my sides, r65!

Yes, this bastion of obeisance to the law, the Trump Administration, will make sure to obtain an Environmental Impact Statement.

R72, The "real reason" is that the steel companies Trump would make sure got the contracts are owned by RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS, including Putin and Roman Abramovich.

Every single thing Trump has done, does, and seeks to do is to re-pay his billion-dollar debt to his Russian bankers.

If shutting down the Federal government, if declaring a national emergency, if shaving his HEAD, would be what Putin told him in secret is what would help pay down that personal debt, you'd see a bald Trump.

FUCK TRUMP.

That is all.

Roger Stone was indicted today.

Was that part of the reason Trump has been trying to distract? Or did he not know?

How much of The Wall money is going into trump’s pocket?

He’ll try this Emergency business with his “special powers”, and Nancy will sue. The Constitution gives the House the power to initiate funding, and he can’t fund something that the House specifically won’t.

Or he’s just bluffing. He’s a terrible bluffer. That’s how he negotiates. Poorly. Nancy will bring it to the courts, and then we’ll see.

There probably is no prohibition against Trump investing in steel companies right before starting the program, if he ever did. I think congressman can do that, and they do.

I read that Congress has to approve the emergency. So, Trump will have this vetoed, essentially.

I kind of hope he does it. 7bn will only build a small sample, so it's not going to affect anything or any farmers in a negative way and it will prove what a complete waste of time and how shit a wall will be, meanwhile Trump will have to take 100% of the blame for the failure because he's the one who called the National Emergency.

It will just make him look worse and worse and his legacy even more terrible than it already does.

But apparently he's telling the press he has built "so much wall" (even though he hasn't any). So he's also conditioning the Magats that the wall has miraculously sprung into being, while he shut the government because the wall isn't being built. Go figure.

MSNBC pundits were joking tonight that this may be a way out of this mess - let Donald tell his deplorables that he built the wall, and eliminated crime, and they will believe him sight unseen - so everybody can move on.

Can you imagine if every single country on the face of the earth built a wall around itself? What if the European countries bordering Germany walled it in? If the French, Polish Czech, Austrians, Swiss, Danes, Dutch, and Belgians can live next to a country that once overran them and slaughtered millions, America should be able to live next to Mexico without stupid walls!

I have zero per cent fear of Mexicans and there are many where I live. I don't worry about Mexicans (or Central of South Americans) shooting at me in the mall or flying airplanes into buildings. They only want to work for the most part. Yes, there's the drug trade but it's us Americans doing the buying. If not the Mexicans or American citizens, some one else will fill that gap.

Instead of building a ludicrous, stupid, ridiculous wall, why not take that 30 billion plus and invest it in Mexico and Central America so their citizens might be successful where they're born?

Anyway, trump is a craven idiot. Everything he does is stupid.

This is from Wikipedia:

Congress has delegated at least 136 distinct statutory emergency powers to the President upon the declaration of an emergency. Only 13 require a declaration from Congress; the remainder are invoked by an executive declaration with no Congressional input

R82, Excuse me?!

I’ll excusecyoubwhen I finish my question.

R84 and r85, Trump really will do exactly that: Lie that the wall is built. He's already saying much the same thing.

Consider that he lied blatantly about what we actually saw, claiming that the statements of the interviewed Intelligence officers were reported inaccurately by the "fake" MSM.

[quote]I read that Congress has to approve the emergency. So, Trump will have this vetoed, essentially.

No. Congress can pass a joint resolution to rescind the NE. But the president has to sign it.

However he has to find a specified emergency power to use. Most likely the wall will be designated as a “military construction project”. But then he needs to use money allocated to other defense projects to do it. That won’t be popular. Also the idea that his stupid wall bordering a friendly country is a military defense project is utter horseshit and will likely be challenged in court.

R54 I fucked up and I will own that.

What I was thinking about was the amount of federal aid in dollars red states receive, and Florida is not in the top 20.

We had a similar argument some time ago that the red states give the least and take the most. So I was wrong about the taxes but right about the federal aid.

If you have any understanding of physical and information security you know that one layer doesn't necessarily work. So there's another motive for the Orange Asshole to want his wall. I say we build him into the wall.

It still astounds me that we've not marched on D.C. with torches and pitchforks and toss the Orange Asshole out of office. Or have we been so cowed we don't realize they govern with the CONSENT of the people.