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Do you believe in predestination?

I lost my mom last January and I have been very reflective about it recently. Something unlikely just happened and I thought I would throw it out here.

When I was a teenager, I bought my dad a big book called “The Secret Language of Birthdays.” It includes a two-page profile of every day of the year. My father has always been curious about astrology; as it turns out, the book is based on a database of info and not astrology—but everyone loves to read about themselves and so it’s inherently interesting. We in the family all read our pages and some things, like a horoscope, seemed dead on and some far off. So we read it and forgot it.

My mom, for example. The daily entries include health vulnerabilities. Her birthday profile says people born that day are prone to skeletal and especially back problems. My mom (and her mom) had severe spinal deterioration, and my mom had to have two discs removed and her spine was fused in her 50s. So that was relevant, and back problems are common.

What my mother succumbed to last year was a digestive problem that began after her spine surgery. It was misdiagnosed as a C. diff “superbug” infection and IBS; as it turned out, she had a major bleeding ulcer in her upper digestive system and ulcers in her rectum, and ultimately the hospital was undecided about whether she had ulcerative colitis or Crohn’s disease—but that is what we lost her to.

The crazy thing: She was only diagnosed with these issues six months before we lost her. I bought that birthday book for my dad in the 90s. In addition to the warning about skeleton problems, my mom’s birthday description says that people born on that day are also prone especially to duodenal ulcers, ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s disease. When we read that decades ago, we would have totally dismissed it. Now, it’s alarming because nobody, including doctors, had any idea that those issues were affecting her until she succumbed to them.

Anyway, it’s just a curiosity. Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis as specific vulnerabilities are pretty rare.

Do you guys believe in predestination, either as relates to the stars or other natural forces, or to date of birth, or just to life paths in general? I’m skeptical to say the least but nevertheless always fascinated by thinking about this stuff.

According to that book, my birthday is “the day of materialized fantasy” and the phrase I am supposed to meditate on is “strange coincidences may be but the normal workings of the universe,” which is perfectly aligned with a default way of thinking for me.

by Anonymousreply 20January 20, 2019 3:38 AM

ok, I'll believe.

by Anonymousreply 1January 19, 2019 9:14 AM

Sorry to hear about your mother, OP. The only thing I can say is that meeting a couple of people in my life felt predestined. But that may be due to the influence they had on my life, for better or worse. I don't know that I believe in cause and effect as something predestined.

That said, I wouldn't mind looking up my birthday, so I may get the book.

by Anonymousreply 2January 19, 2019 9:17 AM

I got my natal horoscope done when I was about 16 and it was really disturbing. I never forgot it. Unfortunately, decades later it has been pretty accurate.

by Anonymousreply 3January 19, 2019 9:20 AM

[quote]According to that book, my birthday is “the day of materialized fantasy”

When you say your birthday in reference to this book - do you mean day and YEAR, or just the day?

by Anonymousreply 4January 19, 2019 9:34 AM

Old Presbyterian joke:

A Presbyterian comes out of Sunday service then trips and rolls down a row of stone stairs breaking his back, three ribs, and a leg. As people rush to his aid he begins laughing and shouts, "Thank God that's over with!"

by Anonymousreply 5January 19, 2019 9:36 AM

Smells like Frau in here.

by Anonymousreply 6January 19, 2019 11:20 AM

[quote]Smells like Frau in here.

Yeah, because NO gay men are interested in astrology and predestination.

Only endless porn threads on DL.

STFU.

by Anonymousreply 7January 19, 2019 11:42 AM

C DIff, C Diff Run!

by Anonymousreply 8January 19, 2019 11:46 AM

My father’s alcoholism and sudden death was in my astrological chart. An astrologer looked at my chart in my late teens and warned me about it about 6 years before his death because of my Saturn placement. I’ve also had eerie predictions made by a hobbyist astrologer friend of mine.

by Anonymousreply 9January 19, 2019 11:50 AM

R4 In the case of this book, it’s the calendar day but not the year. The people who wrote the book made a website, though, and you can refine to your birth year. In my case, that seems even more eerie because factoring in the year added “artistic” to the mix—the day of artistic materialized fantasy. I have a master’s degree in fine arts and I dabble in a variety of artistic disciplines, and my real interest in life (this will sound general) is following my curiosity. What this means for me is that I am interested in and pretty constantly read about science, the arts, and what might he refered to as mysticism—Gnostic, Buddhist, shamanic and a variety of spiritual philosophies with practical/magical practices associated with them. So in my case and in my mother’s case the match is kind of stunningly dead on in those senses. However, I have had a lot of health problems and unlike hers, my profile doesn’t say much about my being prone to such things. My dad suggested I bring the book to work and many of my coworkers have said their profiles are scarily accurate, but a couple have said that theirs bear no resemblance to their lives. I don’t put full faith in this book or anything, but it’s provocative enough to make me ask others what you think, just as a general concept, about the potential that parts of our paths are laid out for us.

Re being a “frau”...sigh. I am a 40 year-old gay man, and I have been into this stuff since I was 17 or so. But OK, picture me as a frumpy middle-aged mother. Fine with me.

by Anonymousreply 10January 19, 2019 12:01 PM

[quote]The people who wrote the book made a website, though, and you can refine to your birth year

Yet no link?

by Anonymousreply 11January 19, 2019 12:36 PM

[quote]In my case, that seems even more eerie because factoring in the year added “artistic” to the mix

They always say things like artistic and creative.

You think the "date" you were born affects your personailty and destiny? It's far too vague. I do believe there is something in exact time and place.

Have you never met anyone born on the same day as you, OP? or with the same birthday?

by Anonymousreply 12January 19, 2019 12:40 PM

R11 I wanted to focus the discussion more on thoughts about predestination than promoting the book/website. But here is the link.

R12 Nope. My birth date is “the day of artistic materialized fantasy.” I plugged in other dates—none of them mentioned creativity or influence of imagination at all.

My mother’s: “released bridge.”

My father’s: “graceful undying loyalty.”

Sister’s: “intentional decision makers.”

Date selected at random: “experienced explosive power.”

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 13January 19, 2019 12:48 PM

I knew an "astrological twin." Someone who shares your birthday. A friend of mine met and married one. She said it was like marrying me, we were so alike. She often remarked she what he was going to say before he said it, because she could imagine what I'd say in the same situation.

He was bisexual. And he killed himself.

by Anonymousreply 14January 19, 2019 12:50 PM

And R12, I have only known one other person who shared my birthday, in middle and high school. By sheer coincidence (I do not attribute it to the stars.), we have the same (common) first name and we were both slightly “husky,” quiet, nerdy boys. I was bery gay and he was not gay at all from what I could tell. We didn’t have a whole lot in common otherwise as far as I remember, but I didn’t know him very well. I’ve never met anyone else I know of who shares my birthday.

by Anonymousreply 15January 19, 2019 12:59 PM

It's a fun and interesting book to just just browse through, OP. I'm Dutch and met one of the authors, Joost Elffers (who's Dutch as well) years ago. They used to have it lying around at a New Age bookstore on Warmoesstraat in Amsterdam that had a café in the back. I remember the entry for my birthday being VERY accurate, as well as the references to "July 16 people are..." and so on. The book has never been out of print, I think. It was surprised to see it mentioned here.

by Anonymousreply 16January 19, 2019 1:04 PM

R16 It has been in my life for a long time. It’s funny, my dad gave it to me one day and told me to bring it to work and leave it on my desk. He did that when I gave it to him and he said it was like a magnet for people, who couldn’t resist looking themselves up even as they protested that it was hokum...and then often said their bday entries were on the nose. Anyway, he was right: literally everyone in the office has looked themselves up. I forgot the book is even there until a couple of days ago when a coworker who just found out her husband has been having an affair for four years asked to borrow it. She is the one who reread my mom’s birthday entry and pointed out that it specifically warns about ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s disease, which is what the hospital says are the two possibilities for what took her life.

by Anonymousreply 17January 19, 2019 1:09 PM

I loved that book, OP. I just looked for it, but I appear to have given it away. I hope I gave it to someone instead of just donating it (I don't sell books). I doubt I'd've Kondoed it, as it brought me lots of joy. I think I'll get another copy.

by Anonymousreply 18January 19, 2019 1:44 PM

r18 found his Secret Language of Birthdays. It was in a box instead of on a shelf.

by Anonymousreply 19January 19, 2019 5:41 PM

My birthday description (and health problems ) were very spot on. Quite odd.

by Anonymousreply 20January 20, 2019 3:38 AM
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