Trump Directed Cohen to Lie to Congress About Trump Tower Moscow Deal

IMPEACH

IMPEACH x 100

Smoking Spud21 missile.

Cohen has zero credibility and it's his own fault for that.

Read the article R3. There’s a ton of evidence to corroborate.

Cohen's credibility is not the main issue. The report says Mueller had information prior to Cohen's questioning.

Every pundit is out on TV and Twitter saying that this is Watergate territory. Buzz Feed says they’ve seen documents that back up Cohen’s statements. If this story holds up, there’s NO excuse for the House to hold back on impeachment.

Mueller knows SO much. His report is going to be a nuclear strike on Trump.

On trump's HEAD! Kind of does look like him, doesn't it?

Most think this is enough to really get that conversation started, but I would have thought that conversation would start in earnest nearly 2 years ago and every day since, so we shall see.

To have Graham (and Murkowski? among others) vote to lift sanctions on Deripaska was surprising so at this point, I don't know what would have to happen.

R3

R4 is correct. This news IS NOT coming from Cohen, but from Buzzfeed, and is loaded with corroborating evidence. This is big, and Congress is going to have a field day with Cohen next month.

Rudy's damage control spin for tomorrow:

Business as usual in the Trump Organization. It wasn't my client as President who said this. It may have been a different senior member in the Organization also named Donald, but as I've said, the President hasn't committed a crime.

It's called suborning perjury and it's a federal crime.

If Mueller really has solid proof, Trump has a problem.

But there's no mention of this on Fox! It therefore can't be true.

MSNBC lost their shit about this when it broke on O'Donnell this evening.

There is no mention of this on Fox, because IT IS true....

So this is why Rudy gave that whack-a-doodle interview with Chris Cuomo.

Some reporter at MSNBC is backing up Buzzfeed so it must be true. Now all the GOP has to do is figure out is whether they want to step into the lifeboats or go down with the SS Trumptanic.

What is Fox reporting right now? Hillary? Nancy? The wall?

Can they move the Cohen testimony up?

Mother, I've been waiting for this!

No wonder the whore in chief was in a hurry to get out of Dodge. Who wants to be stuck in the White House with Merde l’Orange with this story breaking.

Faux News is covering:

“Dueling demonstrations: more expected for pro-life than for women’s march.”

There’s a show on now with “Shannon Bream.” Who the hell is Shannon Bream? Who is she replacing? Hannity? Bill O’Reilly? I’ve never heard of her.

I guess a pro life deminstration is much more important than the President of the United States being IMPEACHED. Who wants to hear about that? Not me.

Every time we learn another new terrible thing, we think, "This is it!!! "they" won't let him get away with it!" But they do let him. I am so fucking tired of watching the news media breathlessly report and discuss the most recent outrageous development. I wish someone would do something. I want the Senate to unite to get rid of that fucker. He is doing irreversible damage to our country. That sick fuck needs to be dropped from a helicopter with out a parachute. So does Mitch McConnell.I was reading about how the Senate could expel McConnell. They have sufficient grounds to do it, but they need 2/3 majority, 67 votes. I think we have maybe 10 Republicans who are fed up and would join with the Dems and that means we have to find 10 more. I know. But I can dream, can't I?

R17 - “What is Fox reporting right now? Hillary? Nancy? The wall?”

ANYTHING but this bombshell.

R20, you’re right. And where is Barron? Do the grandparents have him? Why travel without him? I thought she was devoted to his every whim.

I am concerning that R3 is correct. ☹️

Trump does not have the authority to deny Pelosi or any other member of Congress the right to use a military escort to travel to war zones in performance of their duties. She ought to challenge that fucker. Those aren't his planes. They belong to us. He's got the punk assed lobbyist from the Defense industry running the Department. If Mattis were there this would not have happened.

Fox News alert: Hillary Clinton caught using expired coupon!!!

Stay tuned for updates on this breaking story...

I had read Pelosi had cancelled her trip before this. Who knows? Expired coupon is gitmo level!!!

This would only matter if it were to faze Republicans and it's not going to. Meetings about building a hotel isn't going to meet the threshold. The Senate would not convict.

Doesn't look good for the Resident. Several Dem Congressmen stating if true then he is toast (words to that effect), including House Judiciary member. Murphy implores Mueller to give us some of his evidence to get going with before it is too late to act.

There have been many moments before we thought this should be it, perhaps it finally is beginning of the end.

R29, if that is what you take from this report then you belong in the kiddie pool. Please run along, accordingly.

Fox News alert: do Hillary’s socks match, or are they from two different pairs?!! News at eleven!!!!

R29, the report is that Trump personally ordered Cohen to lie to Congress. That’s called obstruction of justice.

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Can't be true, it's not on Fox News' website.

R29 - “. Meetings about building a hotel isn't going to meet the threshold. The Senate would not convict.”

It’s not about the goddamn hotel. It’s about Dump allegedly directing Cohen to LIE to Congress.

[quote]That’s called obstruction of justice.

More specifically, it's called suborning perjury.

18 U.S.C. § 1622:

"Whoever procures another to commit any perjury is guilty of subornation of perjury, and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

I'm hoping for both.

What you all don't understand, is that Mr. Trump is a Republican, and is therefore free to do whatever the hell he likes and get away with it. Now if Obama or Hillary had done a microscopic fraction of what Trump's done, they would've been boiled alive a few months into their administration. Trump wasn't lying that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose any support. He is a REPUBLICAN, all hail our overloads, the grand and glorious REPUBLICANS!!!!

Fox News Akert: Does Hillary eat puppies for breakfast? Right after this break!

Normally the Republicans would have Trump's back on this....but the shutdown is making it tricky for them. They know Trump isn't going to budge on the wall....and neither are the Democrats....and Trump is getting most of the blame for this.

When the public starts to complain about not getting services because of the shutdown, the Senate GOP is going to be at risk.

And considering tonight's news, if Trump had half a brain, he'd use the shutdown as his exit to get out of the country before more shit hits the fan. He can say, "Look, I've stood firm on the wall, but it's too frustrating to see the safety of Americans be put at risk. They won't give me the wall...so I'm afraid I'm going to have to take Melania and leave because it's too hard to see Americans getting killed by all these illegal aliens. Farewell!"

This is it, folks! The End Game has officially begun! Check!!

Please tell me this isn't going to just blow over in the media.

It won't blow over in the media if the House pushes an investigation. Some media are already trying to ignore it -- CNN has underplayed it on their webpage, Inskeep at NPR is tweeting links to rightwing bloggers who "prove" that the story is sketchy, etc. -- but if the House starts an investigation, the media will almost have to start reporting on it seriously.

Hopefully this is true. Buzzfeed didn’t see the actual evidence and the co-writer is a notorious liar who has been caught making up sources.

He probably wishes Pelosi had actually been on the plane now. He cancelled her trip about 2:00PM, and it was apparently around 5:00PM that Buzzfeed contacted his office to let him know they were going with the story, and to ask for comment.

whoever ended their comment with "Trump has a problem"......you musta been at the head of your Class.

i'm sorry, that was mean. but i couldn't help it.

R43: Which co-writer and where’s your evidence?

CNN was questioning this - when exactly was this tower going to go up during his presidency? They thought no one would notice? Another reason why people are hesitant to believe this right away.

All the media outlets are cautiously saying "we cannot independently corroborate...blahblahblah" but then go immediately into "Trump is toast." That part is kind of annoying but I believe the nothing burgers have been served and the big, juicy steak is about to hit the table. Seems like everyone in DC knew about this. Amy Klobuchar knows Trump is going down.

r46, Jason Leopold.

Fox News:

How Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a danger to democracy. James Woods reporting.

Is Muslim Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib a danger to our national security?

What about those emails??

R46, he's probably talking about Jason Leopold, whose problems were well over a decade ago. He plagiarized in an article in 2002 (he'd credited the Financial Times as a source but only for small passages, not entire lengthy passages he used) and in 2006 co-wrote an article saying Karl Rove was going to be indicted by a grand jury, but he wasn't. That's about it. Saying he's infamous for making up sources is a bit of a stretch.

He instructed Cohen to lie under oath to the Senate. It will be a telling moment when the GOP controlled Senate is forced to respond to the House's impeachment seems ever more likely. If suborning perjury is part of the articles of impeachment of Trump, will the Senators vote for the idea that it is not acceptable to lie under oath to the United States Senate?

Or will they shrug, bend over, and announce to the public that they are okay with having their own investigation and their own rules and federal law itself corrupted by lies and deceit?

If that is what they do, then it is high time to test in the courts the question of whether a sitting president can be indicted for violation of federal statute.

r51, see r49. It was more than that.

But her e-mails

[quote]Or will they shrug, bend over, and announce to the public that they are okay with having their own investigation and their own rules and federal law itself corrupted by lies and deceit?

Chris Hayes assumes this is indeed the tactic they will take:

Prediction 1: Tomorrow Republicans will en masse defend suborning perjury in an attempt to cover up business interests with an adversarial regime that sabotaged an American election.

Ees spelled Paducah, r25.....

R39 really made me laugh. That sounds like some stupid shit he would try.

R49, from the Wiki link regarding your “that’s not all” comment:

"Obviously, Leopold made mistakes, but it's not at all clear they justify a full repudiation of the story or a revocation of his journalistic license. As Paul Krugman told the Voice, 'Everything else in that story checked out. The substance of his reporting was entirely correct.”

Doesn’t sound like a guy who lacks credibility.

Chris Hayes:

If I were Trump, Ivanka or Don Jr, this would make my blood run cold:

"The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through...internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents."

Donald Trump... your efforts to fix the polls were... rigga morris, but telling your lawyer to lie to Congress has us ... Russian... to convict you. I’m sorry my dear, but you are up for incarceration.

And right on cue, trump has conjured another caravan.

[quote]And right on cue, trump has conjured another caravan.

And prayer rugs! Left at the border!

If they have proof...Trump should resign. A wise person would.

Liar! Liar! Rome's on fire!

Send them all to jail! Jared too!

Anthony Cormier on New Day said: “I am rock solid. My sourcing on this goes beyond the two that are on the record. This 100% happened.”

I know we have someone insisting the story is specious because of Leopold, but Cormier is a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter and he's vouching for his sources, hard. It's not going to be easy to dismiss this story by trying to distract with old Leopold scandals.

[quote]And prayer rugs! Left at the border!

Odd that the terror migrants would tote their rugs all the way from the Mideast to Mexico and then just abandon them on random ranches in Texas.

[quote]Kevin Corke, @FoxNews “Don’t forget, Michael Cohen has already been convicted of perjury and fraud, and as recently as this week, the Wall Street Journal has suggested that he may have stolen tens of thousands of dollars....” Lying to reduce his jail time! Watch father-in-law!

Trump just threatened Cohen's father-in-law again, and has no one told him there is evidence corroborating Cohen.

Pelosi just called Trump out for endangering the troops by revealing the travel plans.

And for our "very concerned" friend upthread who doesn't understand how this could have been possible because "did Trump just not think we'd notice Trump Tower Moscow?", here's a Buzzfeed News article that helps explain it all.

It's from last May, by the same reporters who broke today's story. They've been working on the Trump-Russia story for months and months now. They know their stuff, even if you claim they don't.

Yeah, Trump threatening Cohen's family is not only rotten but it's bizarre, considering Giuliani was just on television saying that Trump never committed obstruction of justice because "obstruction is doing something like saying 'I'm gonna break your legs.'"

Except Trump's obsession with threatening Cohen's father-in-law is pretty much exactly an "I'm gonna break your legs" kind of scenario.

They're all so dirty and ugly and stupid, it's embarrassing as much as it is scary.

Most of us know trump is a traitor and criminal...McConnell is too.

I believe the threat to the FIL is just once more diversion. And it won’t work!!! Tick tock mother fucker.

This was a calculated leak to several reporters, and I love it. The Washington Post has a great story on how William Barr was just asked in his hearing whether that scenario would be a crime, and he said yes. It’s no coincidence that two days later, this leaks..

NY Times has not picked up this story or any peep about it.

Normally that would not bode well, but in this case, I think because it is very inflammatory, an inflection point, and they probably are bundling it with another expose themselves.

Are they leaking due to the Wall/shutdown? Then I suppose shutdown was good in a way...

I read that they have texts and emails!

Resignation letter soon I hope!

I believe that the punishment for an elected official, who betrays the public's trust or engages in treasonous or corrupt actions, should always be the firing squad.

Trump will never Resign. The presidency is the only thing keeping him out of prison. Once he is out of office the NY state prosecutor is going to put him and his entire crime family in prison for life. He knows that.

David Frum:

If Trump did order Cohen to perjure himself about Trump Tower Moscow, among those who knew the truth - and could use it to protect or harm Trump and his family - has been Vladimir Putin. If the story is true, the Russian president can be blackmailing the US president to this day

White House press secretary Hogan Gidley refuses three times to say whether the Buzzfeed report is true or false.

Check out the wig on Hogan in R80's clip! BA HAHA HAHAHAHAAA

I suspect the interior of the White House looks like...

Wig!

Lordy I hope there are tapes!

R84, can’t remember where I posted this last night, but the VF blondie girl editor was on Hayes last night, she’s met with Cohen, and she said she’s CERTAIN he has receipts. Then she pondered what the actual receipts might be knowing that Trump doesn’t text or email. What does that leave us? Tapes!!!! There are definitely tapes IMNTBHO.

I think there is a certain silence from many quarters because this impinges directly on Mueller's work, specifically damning charges.

The SP - no comment, Cohen - no comment, Official WH - no comment/denial (not Trump's fantasy texts)

I think this is serious as shit and true.

R3, why did you make your comment about Cohen being a liar, when this story is about how the feds confronted him and other witnesses with the hard evidence they had before Cohen even said a word about it? Can you not read? Or are you just a troll? Explain yourself.

Lanny Davis, Cohen’s lawyer, declined to comment out of respect for the Special counsel. They DID deny that Cohen was in Prague, so they have a history of denying something that they say is factually incorrect. Obviously his non-denial is confirmation. I don’t think BuzzFeed is making this up.

Peter Baker on MSNBC now saying NYT is trying to chase down as many sources as they can before they publish a story about the BuzzFeed report.

Matt Miller is now vouching for BuzzFeed.

Matt Miller aka Count Chocula is a highly trusted source. We all KNOW this is fucking true!!!! Bring it!!!!!!

I’m ready for this, I’ve been waiting for two and a half fucking years!!!! Think about EXACTLY how you felt election night. You are on the edge of redemption right now, we’re almost there.

New statement from Rudy Giuliani is the first denying Buzzfeed's article

"Any suggestion – from any source – that the President counseled Michael Cohen to lie is categorically false."

I'll say it again. The GOP is not going to do anything against Trump until his presence begins hurting them personally.

Remember the head of finance for Trump, who was included in every deal.? I can't remember his name. He was given immunity but what did he give up to get it? Emails? And then there's Hope Hicks. Her emails would be a treasure illuminating. Did she delete everything after she printed them out for him? She had to give them over. And then there's Don Jr. and Jared. They aren't smart enough to know what they should have deleted.

^ THIS at r91.. So if we were more devious, we would be fomenting anger within his base right now. Then again, I’m fine with it happening organically,

Allen Weisselberg, R92.

Trump is hurting the Republicans in some places. It is not going away, it will not get better.

Give it time. I know, it's been forever already and every day is torture but that's the way it goes.

Nixon had strong support, it disappeared the more evidence appeared. Eventually the congress that supported him stopped supporting him and that included the Senate.

This is the first big evidentiary bombshell. There will be so many more. We'll get to the number of senators we need. Give it time.

Please get this cretin out of office before he drops a fake terror attack on us.

It's a game-changer. Trump is sunk.

How could we foment anger amongst his base? Asking for a friend.

R99 Everyday this shutdown continues it will fracture his base more and more.

Not that I want it to continue one more day, though. Anyways, he is cornered.

Rump tweeted, ""Because where does that money — that’s the money in the family. And I guess he didn’t want to talk about his father-in-law — he’s trying to get his sentence reduced. So it’s pretty sad. It’s weak and it’s very sad to watch a thing like that. I couldn’t care less"

First, Rump cares. Deeply. Cohen's father-in-law apparently loaned 20 million to a Chicago cab company. I don't know the details but trump wants us to believe there is criminality involved to deflect from his own crimes.

Second, he's threatening Cohen to shut up or he'll start in on his family. Obstruction of justice.

Third, how does he know so little about his own affairs (Russia? Tower? I know nothing about it) but so much about Cohen's father-in-laws business. Liar.

Rump is corrupt mob boss who needs to be removed from office immediately. He's dangerous and also transparent. He blames others for everything he is himself. "So it’s pretty sad. It’s weak and it’s very sad to watch a thing like that." Yeah, that's what we know about you, scum.

You can tell that the Buzzfeed story is true just by the way Rudy and Trump respond to it. They don't say anything about texts, emails, calls, or any other kind of receipts....all they do is focus on "Michael Cohen is a liar". Because that's all the defense they have if they know that Mueller has proof to back up Cohen.

A Senator should ask the FBI to investigate Trumps father's business. I know. I know. But Cohen might want to mention Ivanka in a knowing way.

Hang him.

It can't just be a convenient coincidence that Amy Klobuchar questioned Barr about this very subject hours before this story broke. Whoever leaked to buzzfeed might have given a heads up to the Democrats so that they could box in Barr and send a message to Trump.

I've had enough. Impeachment proceedings need to begin TODAY in the House. Are we really content with waiting until a number of Senators come to their senses? We can't afford to wait. These are the same people who just voted to lift Russian sanctions. House impeachment proceedings would keep the cretin's crimes in the news every day.

R102, right. He's priming his base to disbelieve anything Cohen says when he testifies next month. He's "president" for fuck's sake, and spending his time in a whirlwind of lies, threats, and fear. A psychopath on center stage, ruining everything he touches.

Cohen is mob connected. He isn't a good guy. We all know that. That's why he was with Trump. Birds of a feather...

[quote]House impeachment proceedings would keep the cretin's crimes in the news every day.

Like they're not now?

Cohen's father-in-law (Fima Schusterman) is not just a Ukrainian gangster -- he's a Ukrainian gangster with long-time ties to Trump himself. Cohen may have gotten his job with the Trump Org as a favor to Schusterman. Federal investigators suspect that Schusterman may have been a business partner of Trump, and steered "Russian investors" to Trump properties. By attacking Schusterman, Trump is admitting that he himself knowingly did business for years with a gangster.

This is toxic-level stupidity.

R105 I agree. And Barr acted taken aback, he knew this batch of simple, specific questions had to have a purpose, but he was not sure to what end...

is this my beginning ---- or is this the END!!

Hoo-oo ha-a ha-a hoo-oo!!

Trump has broken a law, will anything be done? I don't think so.

Why did they get rid of sanctions against the criminal bastard? Why should any of these Senators be reelected?

I can't believe there's not more of a public outcry over the lifting of sanctions, even among Rethugs. What's the reasoning behind lifting them? There is none.

looks like Putin's thugs paid a visit to Cohen, he has black eye and his arm is in a sling...

R116 fake news. he had shoulder surgery and he doesnt have a black eye, those are dark circles

[quote] They DID deny that Cohen was in Prague, so they have a history of denying something that they say is factually incorrect

Only about a week ago Cohen again denied he’d been in Prague. He’s being “cute” again.

I suspect the truth is he was very close to Prague. Or he knows they don't have actual proof so he continues to lie.

Sigh; I can't tell you how many times I've had my hopes up that the indictments of Jr., Kushner or even Ivanka was imminent only to have my hopes crushed. I'll believe it when I see it, but at least on the upside, it makes standing with Trump even more toxic for the Repig senators. And Nancy has demonstrated that's she got a lot of tricks up her sleeve for an old lady, so she'll take every opportunity to illustrate how cowardly they are. So at the very least, it strengthens the hand of the dems in the short term.

What about all the TONS of EVIDENCE that were hauled out of Cohen's office months agao?

I'm sure all the evidence we'll ever need to send Trump to prison is in that grab bag.

I really just can't comprehend how these Republican officials from Pence to Sanders to every junior senator and governor's aide can still be standing with Trump at this point and don't see the handwriting on the wall.

Hope Hicks got out while the getting was good. They should all follow her lead.

No matter what someone does to trump, he always manages to do something worse in return. He does things that normal people would never even think of. It’s sort of like when you read about a torturer. They come up with tortures no one else could possibly think of. Terrible, terrible people.

I think Mosad will save Jared. He's spying for them in the white house.

when he's in handcuffs it won't matter anymore. Just like Bill Cosby continued to be a horrible person - but from a jail cell it has no effect.

Just remember, Mueller knows it ALL.

And Mikey taped it ALL.

Jared will not go to jail. He’s too valuable to Israel

And I take it ALL

Mel, honey, I wouldn't be so sure you have escaped indictment just yet.

I really really hope it’s true. Ironic that trump keeps disgracefully banging on about Cohen’s father in law’s crookedness when his darling Ivanka’s FIL served a prison term.

Let him rave all he wants about Cohen’s FIL — just remember he’s a master of media manipulation. He wants us to talk about the FIL. Don’t take the bait.

Great thread OP!

He's going to make an announcement about the border crisis and the government shutdown tomorrow, Saturday.

Is it possible Melania is Trump's KGB minder? Can things be that crazy??

We've gone far past "that crazy", r134.

Yes!!!!!!!!! R134, YES.

OP, isn't it he said/he said, unless there's a tape? If the KY turds got on yertle's case, now...

CNN reporting that a Mueller spokesperson says the Buzzfeed report is "not accurate."

R138 link or it didn’t happen

Ugh. Buzzkiller.

Buzzfeed:

i read a headline that said Buzzfeed didn't even see any evidence before reporting it. not sure if it's true, it's the internet.

Daniel Dale:

It‘s possible to parse the Mueller team’s wording here, but they’re clearly saying at least some of the story is wrong. That should get major attention, especially given how very rare it is that they comment on anything.

In other words: the Mueller team’s wording leaves open the possibility that some of the story might be accurate. But the fact that they called substantial elements of the story inaccurate should be taken seriously.

R143, the statement does not say that “substantial” elements are inaccurate. It says that “specific” characterizations of evidence were not accurate.

I have the same interpretation as you, R143, but I quoted Daniel Dale because he's usually a very level head, and he sees it differently.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller's office is trying to muddy the waters to throw certain guilty people off track.

R139.

R138 is correct. Watching it on CNN now

Damn.

Meant to post in this thread:

Buzzfeed is standing by their article. They are doubling down.

Buzzfeed to Mueller: "IT'S ON BITCH!"

I sure hope Mueller is not protecting Trump's ass. Ugh

of course Trump is now crowing smugly with his tweets and retweets.

Off topic, but if Obama and Clinton would have largely ignored the deaths of the soldiers in Syria (no mention in twitter and spoke about them briefly before some armed services before quickly switching to his border talk) you think the GOP and the right-wing talking points would have said nothing on it?

Susan Hennessey:

The good news about the Buzzfeed story mystery is we won't have to wait long to find out. The very first question Michael Cohen will be asked in his congressional testimony is "Did the President ever instruct or encourage you to lie to Congress or federal investigators?"

Juliette Kayyem:

Clarity. For two years, stories, whether accurate or not, had no political consequences b/c Ryan didn't do anything. When House Dems start to take news stories as potential evidence to start essentially legal proceedings, Mueller's office has an interest in correcting.

Why didn't Trump more strongly deny it then? I think we are looking at truth, and some misdirection, too.

To be clear: Mueller is not disputing that Cohen says Trump told him to lie. He’s disputing the line about corroborating evidence taken from Trump Org emails, texts, etc. Still a huge deal. But not a total refutation. In fact, Cohen’s 11/30 memo says Trump directed him to lie.

Feel kind of stupid now, OP?

why should he?

Daniel Dale is wrong. The statement does not in any way address the content of the story. This statement only talks about the way BuzzFeed characterized statements and documents in the possession of Mueller's team.

They're saying that BuzzFeed doesn't know what Mueller's team has, and when they said they did in this article, Mueller's team took exception and issued a statement.

There is absolutely nothing in the statement that Mueller is "clearly" saying is wrong.

BuzzFeed added the statement to its report, but suggested that the comment from Mueller’s office was vague about what parts of the media outlet’s story were being denied.

“We stand by our reporting, and we are working to determine what exactly the Special Counsel is disputing,” BuzzFeed spokesman Matt Mittenthal said in an email to POLITICO. “Stay tuned.”

[quote]the Mueller team’s wording leaves open the possibility that some of the story might be accurate.

We already know for a fact that some of the story is accurate. There was a proposal for a Moscow Trump Tower that was never built and Cohen admitting to lying to Congress about the timing of the discussions. It's everything else that is unsubstantiated at the moment.

That's what's so frustrating about this. We already know Trump told Cohen to lie.

The cat is out of the bag. The statement changes nothing.

This is why he will cave tomorrow.

It’s just a matter of time now, folks.

Okay, Sure R162...

The last 2 years have been utterly crazy-making.

Ugh. High/Low High/Low! It is too much! I need a news break (Doctor Who marathon until Sunday).

For you r165

R166 - Wow! That girl can sing and dance!

Isn't she amazing?

Chuck Rosenberg is my zen master...

^^ Totally! Rachel is all over this. She's doing some great reporting tonight

Remember when Rachel was practically the ONLY one talking about Russian conspiracies and stuff?

Man, times have changed.

DL Fave Ronan Farrow has weighed in on the story. Apparently he was chasing it down, but could not verify that the Cheetolini directed Cohen to lie

Ronan's statement is interesting. His source apparently said Trump did not issue "repeated direct instructions" to Cohen.

That's the main defense for Trump right there. Saying that Cohen did it for Trump is accurate because Cohen has said so himself. The dispute is over whether Trump told Cohen to do it, or Cohen did it on his own for Trump.

Ronan's source saying Cohen basically did it on his own without direct instructions from Trump makes me incredibly curious as to who that source is. It could very well have been someone close to Trump who was hoping to advance the defense for Trump on this matter.

So Trump didn’t order it? So Trump wins again?

is this where they give "info" to try to find out who the source of the leak is???

Tired of the beginning. I need the end of the end.

He needs to be gone.

Trump didn't need to "repeatedly instruct" Cohen to lie. Once would have been enough. In fact a generic, "Don't tell those mutherfuckers anything. Lie. They don't have a right to discuss my business deals." How many times would he need to repeat that? I think Buzzfeed is essentially true. Trump's general directive to Cohen was to lie to COngress and anyone else. Period.

I think Cohen wouldn't need DIRECT instructions from Trump to do anything. He knows Trump well enough after working for him for sooo many years, he knows his client.

Hey y'all, meet me on 5th Ave and I'll blow your brains out. Won't hurt me one bit!

So they might not have corroborating evidence of suborning perjury?

Well, shit.

R166, thanks. I've only just started to learn about her (old fart here) and she really has something.

r115, they said that the company that was in violation made changes.

Well, r182, that's a big ol Sure Jan if I've ever heard one!

What is weird? Trump keeps threatening Cohen's family and everyone acts like that is completely normal! It is like everyone just accepts our mafia president.

Watch out or you gonna get a malooch, too!

Russian state TV was pretty fucking ecstatic about the lifting of sanctions against Deripaska.

Of course Mueller has corroborating evidence. He's just saying that BuzzFeed didn't see that evidence.

Why would Trump be threatening Cohen's family publicly if Cohen didn't have the goods on him?

Again you guys are falling for the banana in the tailpipe.

Exactly how many times in two years have you sworn that the end is here? Now everyone realizes what a lying criminal he is? The Senate cannot continue to protect him now that it is so obvious he is a lying criminal right? He is losing support even from his own voters, right?

Wrong. His voters don't give a flying fuck about this stuff and they, along with the majority of the country, has no taste for impeachment.

The country hated the Republicans for impeaching Bill Clinton---even the Republicans who were none too fond of WJC. Elizabeth Holtzman said today, "the people did not support impeachment in 1998/99 and they do not support it now." Do you get that? Regardless of how much Data Lounge wants him executed and/ or imprisoned, the Democrats are not doing shit unless they feel it will help them in some fashion.

You people need to stop blocking everyone who is outside of your personal bubbles. You have completely lost what the temperature of the REAL people in the US is right now. All you do is jerk each other off with your hate porn dreams of how Trump should be dealt with. And eventually you come to believe that everyone feels the way you do, In your own way you are doing the exact same thing as Trump does when he discounts everything negative about him as "fake news." You claim that every word which does not match your narrative is "trolling" and does not need to be read by you or anyone else.

They don't feel the way you do. And there are not even close enough to the the amount of angry Dems calling for his throat for the House to do something which has the potential for disaster.

How about this: open your eyes and minds a bit. Face the facts that DL represents an extreme which is just as marginal as the religious freaks who believe Trump was sent by god to do his bidding and save Israel and its people. The true temperature of the country lies in between those two extremes. The middle believes that Trump has acted in a less than honorable fashion and some official sanctioning might be in order. But the notion of dragging the country through a protracted impeachment process which will produce absolutely nothing is unpopular with (almost) no one.

Thanks, R188, finally some sanity on here.

R188 has so little chill he actually said in the middle of that whinefest of his that he wants people to stop blocking him.

Hilarious.

Lindsey sucks his own shit offa my dick

I actually don’t fucking care what the REAL people in the country think. They are all stupid as fuck and if we keep losing elections to them, I will just build a wall of my own to isolate myself from them. Because thankfully I can afford it.

Michael Cohen = working towards the Fuhrer.

What a "reasonable" "centrist" you are, R188. In reality I'm guessing you're a beltway opinion bloviator who makes a living making horseshit sound "reasonable".

Might want to take a listen to the 60% of America who aren't members of the Trump cult to see what they think. Spoiler alert: they're as horrified as we are. (I talk to them, and I know.)

We have a lot of stupid Americans. Complete morons who don’t accept facts as reality.

I actually think Dump is compromised by Russia, along with many other obvious reasons why he’s completely unqualified and dangerous. I don’t really care if a bunch of stupid people don’t see why we can’t have someone beholden to Russia running our country. We have a Russian plant in the WH - Just because Deplorables and Faux News will sell the country to Putin doesn’t mean that the rest of us shouldn’t be fighting for what’s clearly right, sane and in the US’s best interest.

Two good posts in a row.

R190 Please post the part of my comment in which I have asked for people to stop blocking me.

Thank you.

Strap in for another lengthy lecture.

[quote] I talk to them, and I know

Meaning: I talk to my neighbors in my Chelsea apartment building.

Or just block the right wing bloviators.

I remember all their old names

My dad is a Republican with a former military career. How he and his former Red Scare afficianados could try to minimize Trump colluding with RUSSIA should be a sight to behold!!

I am afraid to even bring it up with him, it’s so embarrassing.

Ronan Farrow also cuts Buzzfeed.

‏Verified account @RonanFarrow

I can’t speak to Buzzfeed’s sourcing, but, for what it’s worth, I declined to run with parts of the narrative they conveyed based on a source central to the story repeatedly disputing the idea that Trump directly issued orders of that kind. 4:50 PM - 18 Jan 2019

This is a disaster. Everytime people think “this is the thing” it always turns out to be wrong or misleading.

I really think he will be re-elected. People will keep looking at these stories that are always bombshells (which later prove wrong in some way) and say -see he’s not as bad as they say.

I fully believe after the last two years he will be re-elected.

Trump had better be careful then, r110, in threatening the Ukrainian Mob. There's a reason the Nazis could simply have Ukrainians be their vicious stooges.

CNN’s Toobin and Anderson Cooper:

CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin called it a “bad day” for the media.

“What the reaction here may be is ‘the press screwed up. They should apologize. The media isn’t as great as it thinks it is.'”

He added: “This is a bad day for the news media. Let’s not kid ourselves. That statement is at least a partial repudiation of an enormously important story.”

Host Anderson Cooper then jumped in, noting: “Also, it’s a very bad day for BuzzFeed regardless of where this story goes. To the credit of other news organizations, everybody didn’t jump on the bandwagon saying this is true.”

Then, a little while later in the same show, Toobin stressed that the statement casting doubt on Buzzfeed’s reporting reinforces negative stereotypes about the media and, in his opinion, the takeaway for many in America may be that the media is “leftist liars.”

“My view is,” Toobin said — speaking once again on the Special Counsel casting doubt on the Buzzfeed’s account — “the larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president and they’re willing to lie to do it. And I don’t think that’s true.”

He then said again: “This is a bad day for us.”

CliffsNotes, Please!

(I've just walked in from a long day at the office.)

[quote]R59 If I were Trump, Ivanka or Don Jr, this would make my blood run cold: [italic]”The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through...internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents."[/italic]

With the boat sinking, could Melania prove the surprise heroine in this, selling them ALL down the river and sending them to prison??

Maybe she’s had a tape recorder up her snatch all these years??

Americans disapproved of the impeachment of Clinton...and then elected a Republican as president 2 years later.

I hope the Democrats grow some balls for a change and impeach the fucker.

And every time a potentially disastrous report comes out, and that report amounts to nothing, the Trump contingent is more emboldened than before. They feel certain that the media is trying to sink his presidency(when in fact the opposite is usually true more often than not.)

It reminds me of the Pizza Gate crowd who follows that Q person. They are always holding their collective breath waiting for the shoe to fall which will exonerate Trump and vilify Hilary et al. We laugh at them(as we should)but it does seem that DL is following their model(just in the opposite direction.)

Not that I give a shit what anyone here thinks of my opinions, I actually am an old school Democrat. I have been banging the drum while leading the parade for Kamala Harris on other threads. That is why I doubt that many, if any of you. already had me blocked.

But that does not mean that I am living in the DL bubble. I just don't find that very smart. I want...I NEED to know what is really going on in the hinterlands as well as the more cosmopolitan parts of the country. I deplore the use of the term "Deplorables." and if you think that makes me a traitor, then you might be surprised to learn that there are many top figures in the Democratic Party in DC who wish to god that Hillary had never said those words. NO, Hillary wasn't wrong bitches, but neither is a person who says "I think Louis Farrakhan is a cancer in the black community." But if you are a politician representing a predominately black district, you can kiss your future goodbye if you speak those words.

Being right is not always being prudent.

Jason Leopold fucked up again.

[quote]R77 I believe that the punishment for an elected official, who betrays the public's trust or engages in treasonous....

I misread this as “or engages in threesoms...” and was like, “Well wait just a MINUTE there, young lady!!!”

R188 in their own bubble, completely oblivious to how a crazy American president negatively affects citizens of other nations. You have no idea...

Buzzfeed, please pack your knives and go.

How would Farrow's source know that Trump never ordered anything? They could dispute a specific incident, but how could they know the entirety of Trump's communications?

R188, do you honestly think that when even more damaging stuff comes out — after Feb 7, after the House investigations get going, after Mueller’s report— the needle will still not have moved at all on Americans’ support for impeachment?

If the 65% of Americans who don’t love Trump now don’t agree in a few months’ time that Trump needs to be impeached, I will be very surprised. No one cares what Trump’s base thinks. He and his Party can’t win in 2020 with just the core nutballs still supporting him. Independent voters matter, too.

And anyone thinking Trump will win again in 2020 is just being hysterical.

R188 TLDR

They just have to target the close races in swing states, and then we're in trouble. That's where they can effectively steal votes by hacking the machines.

So what's his major announcement in the middle a Saturday afternoon gonna be?

White House is telling reporters (off the record) that he’s going to announce a way to end the shutdown, I think some kind of compromise. We’ll know in 12 hours.

R216 You have broken my heart.

[quote]If the 65% of Americans who don’t love Trump now don’t agree in a few months’ time that Trump needs to be impeached, I will be very surprised.

Then you will be very surprised. Americans are stupid.

R215 Here is where we disagree: I do not think 65% of the US voters who are not pro-Trump= 65% of the US voters who want to see him impeached.

As I said above, the Clinton impeachment is now viewed as a major misstep because the Reps who did not support Clinton did not want an impeachment. People here seem to believe that disliking an elected president means that the country wishes to see him thrown out of office.

I believe with all of my heart and brain that the majority prefers to see him serve out his term and then disappear from public life.

Mueller's office disputes the report that Trump instructed Cohen to lie to congress - damn. I was so excited that Trump was on his way to leaving office, but I guess it was a premature.

[quote] I guess it was a premature.

Aren't you used to it by now.

1. The guy operates like a mob boss and always in his own interests.

2. Not the brightest tool in the shed.

3. He is a big fat liar.

Therefore..impeach him

According to Rachel and Lawrence Mueller’s office worded their report very carefully but never stated it was totally incorrect.

It ain’t over til the fat Trump sings!

[quote]According to Rachel and Lawrence

I stopped reading right there.

R115 I think the Russians are claiming Derepaska is no longer associated with his companies so it's OK to lift the sanctions. Not sure. as for R188? Please. A lot of people didn't really know or care about Watergate. It took public hearings on television to raise awareness and even then Nixon wasn't as universally despised as Trump is today. That's right. There are probably 60 or more of Americans that want him out. And of that % a lot of them want him to get indicted then just go straight to prison. LOL!

The shutdown is the final straw for millions of people. When he puts more than 800,000 out of work, as well as the contractors and subcontractors, it affects the economy and it has a domino effect on businesses all over the country. He has literally stopped the flow of money that is the life's blood of our economy. he is harming his own supporters too, with his trade wars and tariffs.

It's finally dawning on people. He is also losing support over his wall. People are beginning to realize there is no true crisis at our southern border. And now, "Oh, look, another caravan!" How convenient. I'm guessing Trump is going to call a state of emergency today. then he may or may not open government.

Personally I don't pay attention to the people who fling accusations at other posters about trolling. I'm a pretty intelligent person. I will decide who's a troll and who isn't. I'll decide who I'll block. I don't think you, R188 are a troll, Russian or Republican, or Extremist Conservative per se. I just thoroughly disagree with you. I think you're probably one of those Bernie or Trump supporters who needed to come in here and stamp your feet. That's my guess.

If most of us here hoping Trump goes down hard, it's only what we feel he deserves. He is a despicable, hateful , vile excuse for a human being unfit the lick the shit off my shoes. He is completely unfit for anything resembling a responsible position if leadership in securing the public good.

Bye, Felicia, at R188.

[quote]Mueller's office disputes the report that Trump instructed Cohen to lie to congress

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING UNTRUE.

The statement said only that BuzzFeed's description of evidence held by Mueller's team was inaccurate.

We already know Cohen lied for Trump, anyway. He said so himself to the court. The question is whether Trump specifically directed him to, and this statement does not address that one way or the other.

I already have R188 blocked, so it’s an obvious troll.

I think it's a lot simpler. Mueller's office never leaks. Right? The Buzzfeed report looks like a leak. Mueller's office issues a non-denial denial because they want to make sure you know they don't leak.

I just read Barbara McQuade's analysis in the Daily Beast, and she insists anything Trump and Cohen lied about was to hide a greater truth, so it's not just the lies they're telling, but the truth they're concealing.

I read Sarah Kenzior's twitter analysis. Kenzior made a broader point. Her succinct observation is don't get fixated on Mueller's rather vague denial, because the basic fact is that a Russian asset has taken control of, and shut down our government and he is consolidating power. That's pretty fucking chilling.

But she doesn't acknowledge the other assets who are enabling him. We have to deal with McConnell and right now the focus needs to be on him. The media needs to be told and we need to be pushing the members of the Senate to force his hand by any means necessary.

First of all, if someone in Mueller’s office leaked to the press, he DOESN’T KNOW with any amount of certainty if they’ve seen the evidence he has. He can’t make any sort of statement of the nature he did because the media may very well have the evidence or heard it or seen it. His statement was damaging and stupid and a waste of time. It’s time he puts his cards on the table. He may very well have NOTHING. I’m not at all convinced he has the country’s interests at heart. He’s a Republican. Enough said. He’s not going to save us.

But it’s time to see what he has, and Congress needs to force it so they can decide what to do, and we can move the fuck on from this psychopathic moron currently in the Presidency. If Mueller doesn’t like it, too fucking bad. No one cares about these third tier nobodies being indicted and jailed. It’s time to shit or get off the pot. Take the shot at the leaders that you’ve been implicitly threatening for two years, or turn tail and slink off into the muck as I fully expect he’ll do.

R230 is a liar.

I just got my atop back from my friend who removed a virus from it. He did a system restore and cleaned out everything.

The posts I made in this thread beginning with R188 were the first and only ones I have made since the cleaning. You could not have had me blocked. I don't care whether you like or loathe my comments, but why lie? I certainly don't care if you do block me, but again, why lie and say that you already had me on ignore?

Are you really so very bothered by someone who has a slightly different take on the situation? I certainly said nothing outrageous or inflammatory. If you really consider me to be a troll. then you truly are one very delicate flower.

R232 the whole point of Mueller's office issuing a statement was to make sure we know no one from his shop, the Special Counsel's team, leaked. Period. That IMO was the point the Special Counsel's office was making. Now there are other ways for that information to get out through witnesses or their lawyers or other offices such as the SDNY, and at it's core it is probably true. And BTW, you're assuming a lot to say Mueller "doesn't know with any amount of certainty." Mueller definitely knows who in his shop has seen or has access to particular pieces of this vast investigation.

Considering how long this investigation has gone on, and how many attorneys and investigators are involved, it's very impressive that so little information and so few statements have come out from Mueller's shop. His operation is not goaded into having a dialogue with or through the media as the investigation unfolds, and I find their silence reassuring amidst all the noise people like Rush Limbaugh, and Rudy Giuliani and Lindsey Graham are making.

I'd rather he take his time and be thorough and get it right, air tight, than sloppy and fast. We're talking about Robert Mueller not Devin Nunes. It seems to me you might prefer Nune's method of investigating. LOL!

Two years is not sloppy or fast. And given the gravity of what the country is going through, anyone in his office with an actual conscience could have leaked. Again, he doesn’t know. People lie all the time, including people on Mueller’s team, no matter how long he’s known them or how much he professionally trusts them.

There is a silver lining to this -- the Trumpistas, from the orange one on down, are now on record as believing in Mueller's honesty and integrity.

Tom Nichols:

If things go the way they've gone for two years, Buzzfeed will get scorched for being wrong, then turn out to be mostly right, but by then no one will care and we'll be on to the next dumpster fire, right up until Mueller finally reports out and Congress investigates.

Oh please, they’ll turn out to be 100% right, and everyone knows it, including Trump and his idiot base.

[quote] As I said above, the Clinton impeachment is now viewed as a major misstep because the Reps who did not support Clinton did not want an impeachment. People here seem to believe that disliking an elected president means that the country wishes to see him thrown out of office.

Please. The two situations are entirely different. Bill Clinton was a popular president who had a fair amount of positive accomplishments by the time the Lewinski scandal reached the impeachment phase. The public, while not approving of what he had done, didn't think that he should have been removed from office. The Repukes moved forward with it, nonetheless.

This situation is not remotely comparable. Here, we have a deeply unpopular occupant of the Oval Office who has accomplished almost nothing positive during his two years in office. He has lied to the public over 7,000 times in 24 months, and is surrounded by the stench of corruption and illegality. Should it turn out that tRump directed Cohen to commit felonies (both with the porn-star payments and subornation of perjury -- and who knows what else), he could not remain in office. The commission of multiple felonies of that degree of severity would require that he be forced to resign or be impeached by the House and removed by the Senate.

Exactly, R239. I agree. And furthermore, Trump has committed impeachable offenses right out in public over the past two years. The fact that the Senate or the House has refused act on his actions is the only reason he's still sitting in the WH. And The House's investigative function and oversight under Paul Ryan were non existent. Right now all the President has is Mitch McConnell. That's his shield. This is war. And we absolutely must find a way passed McConnell.

Witch hunter Mueller says President is innocent and Buzzfeed is fake news!

Too many media types seem fixated on the final report, but I keep saying pay attention to the indictments and the sentencing documents. What I really want is for Mueller to issue a scathing report telling Congress they have an obligation to impeach Trump who is a Russian asset and a clear and present danger to our country, and I want him to confirm the election was stolen and there are compromised Russian assets all over Congress and the WH. In my dreams! It will not go down that way. It ought to, but it won't. So the indictments and sentencing documents will give us most of what we need to know. The Report itself might simply be some editorializing and summarizing. I really do expect Mueller to chastise Congress for their lack of oversight. Mr Mueller, if you're reading this please kick Congress in the ass.

I think the Mueller probe could last years and even be taken over by someone else when Mueller passes the baton. There is that much work to do. So the whole notion of "waiting for Mueller to complete his investigation" just doesn't seem practical IMO, and I want Congress to do their jobs. Oversight, legitimate hearings, and imoeachment.

There is a possibility that impeachment may not happen until January 21st, 2021.If true, he'd be out by June. Of course that pre-supposes he'd win re election. So let me say that the longest possible time we have to put up with his sorry ass is until then. But with some hard work and a few lucky breaks, we can push him out before then. But we need to force Congress to act, and we need to initiate proceedings to expel Mc Connell.

Bill Kristol:

For those of us who've been defending Mueller's team and DOJ against utterly unfounded attacks from Trump and his supporters, it's great to see Team Trump now citing Mueller's office as not only a credible but even an authoritative truth-teller.

R229 I only copied and pasted what CNN previously listed in the headline. Your dispute is with CNN, not me.

[quote] the larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president and they’re willing to lie to do it.

In a nutshell.

Josh Marshall, Talking Points Memo:

Today’s brouhaha recalls a simple point. Point of the Mueller probe is not to get to the truth or bring the facts before the public. It’s a criminal and CI probe meant to find and prosecute crimes. But what the country most needs is the truth, both about what happened ...

in the 2016 election and who President Trump works for today. Whether any individual person is incarcerated matters much less than figuring out the truth of what happened. Only congressional investigations or independent commissions can answer that charge.

It’s not either/or. We need both. But a full airing of what happened (and what continues to happen) is the critical need. And that’s not what the Special Counsel probe is designed to do.

R247 is excellent. When the truth comes out, if there is proof that collusion with a hostile foreign nation occured, then it is imparative that we send a strong message and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

In the meantime it's hard to sit back and watch the country be destroyed. The Buzzfeed story once again got my hopes up that the end was near. This is exhausting.

Trump is exhausting!

Wanting Trump impeached is not leftist whining, its PURE patriotism. Real love of country.

That is TRUE MAGA.

^bump

I believe that Trump DID want Cohen to lie but whether they'll be "proof" that he actually told him to vs. coaching by WH staff on what to say will be more difficult to prove (unless there is a tape of course).

Yet another "bombshell" sputters out like a wet firecracker.

America did to other countries ( especially south America,during the dirty war) what Russia did to your election.

Every country has the government it deserves.

I still don't see how the same cable news networks that blared anti-Trump and pro-Hillary propaganda 24/7 for a year preceding the 2016 election can maintain with a straight face that a few anti-Hillary ads on Facebook that came from dubious sources had the all-pervasive power to sway the election. Do more people seek out Russian propaganda on Facebook than view the TV news? How come the left can never produce examples of this magical Russian propaganda?

Good question

[quote] anti-Trump and pro-Hillary propaganda

Ha! Very amusing.

You must be referring to the fact that the networks -- all of them -- couldn't get over Hillary's fucking emails. It is pretty much all they wanted to talk about 24/7. And they did, so, yeah, all that "publicity" was surely "pro-Hillary."

And they also showed every tRump rally and speech, which demonstrated through his own words and action exactly how unfit he was to be president, so, yeah, that was anti-tRump.

Updated statement from @BuzzFeedNews:

“As we’ve re-confirmed our reporting, we’ve seen no indication that any specific aspect of our story is inaccurate. We remain confident in what we’ve reported, and will share more as we are able.” --Matt Mittenthal, spokesperson. 1:22 PM - Jan 19, 2019

R188 presents himself as the voice of "reasonable" Americans.

You know. Just like Axis Sally.

"I can't for the life of me understand why all those Jews are working themselves into such a frenzy over Mr. Hitler! He's initiated a bold, exciting strategy to reorganize Europe; let him finish the job before jumping to any conclusions, okay?"

Wow, the trolls sure found this thread quickly.

THe good question poster is agreeing with his own troll post.

[quote]America did to other countries ( especially south America,during the dirty war) what Russia did to your election.

Cool story, Oleg.

So you'll be cool when the US turns your shithole country into a parking lot after we deal with Trump?

Since everybody does it, that means everything's on the table, right?

Don’t forget, Russia is no longer atheist. That was a YUGE talking point used against the USSR in the US. You were not allowed to go to church in the Soviet Union.. Religion is one of the greatest tools of control and suppression in the world. Religion doesn’t want people to evolve. Religion doesn’t want people to be secularly educated. Religion wants people to get all of their information & beliefs from their church..

Now that Russia has abandoned communism for oligarchy, Putin has shown himself in church and at orthodox Russian church conferences. This is a big draw to American republicans. They like their old fashioned religion & Russian Orthodox is an old fashioned church.

Christianity! The GOP uses Christianity like a toothbrush, making it part of their daily routine. It snags dumbos into their party. Are you stupid? Superstitious? A believer in absolute good & absolute evil and nothing in between? Self righteous? Self centered and believe that only the things you believe in are true and everyone else is wrong? Have we got a political party for you!

Russia being Christian and it’s ruler being photographed at religious events is A-OK with republicans. The people who are republicans will DEFINITELY side with Russia against American democrats. The Russian Orthodox Church is adamantly against abortion. American republicans have been brainwashed (by people who use religion for their own reasons) to believe Democrats are degenerate, atheist sex perverts who do the debbil’s bidding.

So yeah, of course they’ll side with Russia against Americans who don’t think they sane way they do.

Same, not sane

I am doubtful there will be any concrete evidence as in they wrote it down " kill so and so" ," ask Putin to help me" etc.

They are stupid but not that stupid.

I have to agree with the person who said upthread that comparing Americans being unhappy about Bill Clinton’s impeachment to the desire for Trump’s impeachment is WAY OFF. Completely different presidents and circumstances.

Was that R188 again drawing that parallel?

This is Trump we’re talking about R266.

Well, since 43% or so of Americans support impeachment right now, without waiting for House investigations or Mueller, R267, I'd say that R188 was completely full of shit.

R255, blocked. Take you trolling and shove it.

R255 is also very invested in trashing Beto.

-- Beto will NEVER be President

[bold][quote]Beto is not a monument to white privilege or male privilege so much as he is an example of WEALTH privilege.

[quote]Beto's father-in-law is a multi-billionaire. We never hear about that in the MSM for some reason.

[quote]Beto, if elected, will represent the Plutocracy, of which he is a firmly fixed member.

[quote]Beto's father-in-law may be rich, but he and his wife live normal, upper-middle class lives.

[quote]Daddy ain't gonna live forever and the wife is his only child.

--- Reminds me that Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt were also from rich families.

[quote]Franklin and Eleanor never gave a nickel to charity and at the height of the Depression they CUT the wages of the White House menial staff.

[quote]SO bizarre that minor intereference from Russia is considered treason but every national level politician allows Israel to buy their loyalty. If foreign meddling is verboten, why are there so many dual-citizen Israelis in the US government? Why is Israel allowed to sway our elections?[/bold]

I agree with whoever said that Mueller's statement simply says, "they didn't hear this shit from us."

Not that the shit ain't true but the shit didn't come from them.

The BuzzFeed editor was on Rachel last night and said his sources are in law enforcement and had access to that info.

So that could be the SDNY office. It could be the cops that raided Cohen's office, house and storage locker. It could have come from anyone involved BEFORE that shit was turned over to Mueller. We don't know.

Yet.

R243, your post stood out to me like a beacon in the dark, black night. WW for you my dear!!! I completely agree, and I’m tracking with you, that’s EXACTLY what’s happening and what we need to do. You hear me all you gold-hearted fellow American whores????? That post is our recipe out of this mess. Read it, know it, share it.

If you love America and hate Russia and the GOP, block r255. Honk if you hate fascist mother fuckers!!!!!

R271, whether one loves Beto or not, whether one would cast their ballot for him or not, one thing is undeniable — They. Fear. Him. He has the Obama Factor. Will he maintain that? No idea. But pay attention to whomever they fear.

R272, let’s have a drink together, just for laughs. I agree.

[quote]The BuzzFeed editor was on Rachel last night and said his sources are in law enforcement and had access to that info.

People supposedly in law enforcement who broke the law to reveal case information? That should have been the first clue that something wasn’t right.

^^^Kelly Anne

Investigations leak all the time, R274, particularly important ones. The Starr investigation leaked over and over again. And the speculation is that this wasn't Mueller, that it was the SDNY or some other organization.

Listen, I happen to think this story is true, EXACTLY like Buzzfeed was right on the dossier — remember Chuck Toad’s eviscerating them? Turns out it’s all been proven true (so far). I strongly suspect this is too.

Having said that, Congress is in a pickle. Their impeachment has to be bulletproof. I’m sure it’s very hard for them to not get Trigger Finger at this point, know what I mean? But holy shit, with ALL that has happened, this should not be The Bullet. Trump shits out scandals and impeachable offenses DAILY. As referenced above, we *must* focus on winning elections. Fucking NOTHING else matters, nothing nothing nothing!!!!! All of this other shit will sort itself out. You get people in Congress who will perform their Constitutional duties, Trump is automatically impeached. The right people who believe in America and our Constitution have no choice but to impeach, OUR DUTY as citizens is to win elections. That’s it. We must win win win! Anyone reading and posting here — you’ve been told, your DUTY is to get off your fat cheese ass, go get involved at any/every level and give your: time, money, and devotion to amazing Democratic candidates. Don’t play stupid, yes I’m talking to YOU, you stupid bitch. Your country needs your ass!!!

Sidebar, I agree with r276, this likely leaked from a parallel investigation. So it is a legit LEO, just not Mueller.

Did I mention yet that when Orange Marmalade croaks, I’m going to piss on his grave? People, if I have to get a drone and water balloon my piss on his gravesite, I WILL piss on his grave, mark my words!

R277, those of us who busted ass to win the house in November are energized and not resting on our asses.

We are gearing up to win ALL the marbles in 2020.

I have no idea what Mueller’s statement means, except that something isn’t quite right, though it’s essentially right.

R188, you have made your point numerous time and I am sure that I speak for many people here when I ask you to kindly shut the fuck up already. You’re not any smarter than the rest of us, nor can anyone on this thread be faulted for trusting what appeared to be an impeccably sources story that, if true, absolutely would have portended exactly what everyone on this thread predicted that it would have portended.

The fact that you are taking any pleasure in this whatsoever tells us everything we need to know about where your sympathies lie.

Dumb bitch.

I wasn’t speaking to you darling, r278. I know how hard you worked, I did too, my goofy post was not meant as a disrespect to the MANY fellow activists who post here. I’m speaking to the recently woke, know what I mean? I’m right along side you brother/sister. I’m here to CRUSH Republicans.

The department has new people overseeing it. How do we know this did not come from the new crop in charge. They didn’t do this before they took over.

I'm quite certain that the staffs of the Intelligence Committee and the Judiciary Committee are working around the clock to prepare for the investigations and hearings that we know are coming. I want this nightmare to be over immediately, but they have to make sure that the evidence they have against the Orange Dotard is rock solid and so irrefutable that even those chickenshit Repukes in the Senate will vote to remove tRump from office.

I have no doubt that the substance of the Buzzfeed article is correct -- even if some of the details area not. But I also suspect that in addition to directing Michael Cohen to make questionable and perhaps illegal payments to porn stars, and directing him to testify falsely to Congress, Cheatolini has committed a laundry list of crimes. The more charges against him the better -- and lets hope that the House moves quickly as possible, please.

Mueller needs to shut his trap and finish his fucking job.

Your mother is a whore r284

Some pundit on Bill Maher lastnight said , they have to be smart about impeachment, "If you come to kill the king, you can't miss." If the senate votes not to charge him, deplorables and Trump will use that as proof of his innocence.

But in the meantime, the drumbeat is getting louder and it's become more and more obvious. There WILL come a tipping point.

I don’t understand how the Trump Tower meeting in 2016 with the Russian agents was not enough evidence of collusion/conspiracy to charge Don Jr., at least. Maybe Jared, too. If Mueller doesn’t charge them, he’s going to pissoff a lot of people who will then question the investigation.

A political pundit I respect suggested that moving prematurely on impeachment is a waste of time and counterproductive. Instead, go for the death of a thousand cuts. Investigate every aspect of the Trump administration, something that Republicans refused to do. You'll keep him busy, confused, harassed, and wildly angry, even more prone to mistakes than he is now. He'll have a horrible time finding people to work for him, which will make it harder for him to do the kind of damage that a more competent administration would be capable of. And every revelation, and his responses, will render him that much weaker and that much more subject to impeachment should a real opportunity arise, as well as weakening his chances and Republican chances in 2020.

Nobody is seriously saying that Democrats should leave him alone. We're suggesting that they operate strategically, with a coordinated set of attacks that is likely to do more damage than a failed impeachment would, while at the same time gathering data for a potential impeachment.

R288, I think enough facts are already known. The House just needs to present those facts to the public so that it supports the impeachment. Even Republican Senators will support impeachment if their constituents are angry enough.

I just hope the House acts before.a NATO withdrawal is enacted, or other stupid, traitorous change.

Y’all have read the Washington Post story from today about the behind-the-scenes of the BuzzFeed News story, right? It just talks about the back-and-firth between BuzzFeed and Carr, the SCO spokesman.

R269 Not according to the Harvard/Politico study released Jan.3, 2019.

The numbers have dropped considerably from the high point they reached around the time of the midterm elections.

The number is now 38%. The number of Independents has dropped the most dramatically. It isn't happening unless something huge and irrefutable occurs. Something which is discovered by Mueller I mean.

R290- So the basic premise is that Buzzfeed had the right premise but some of the details were wrong? Isn't that what someone predicted - that in the end, we'd find out that Buzzfeed was right?

I don't think this has been posted here yet. Worth a read.

R291, the numbers bounce around a bit, in the upper 30s and low 40s. It rises to over 60% if you put other disciplinary actions on the table, meaning that the majority of Americans would be happy to see Trump punished in some way.

The point remains that at its current percentage it's not enough to go all in on impeachment. Yet. But, to answer R188, it is most definitely not the "extreme" "marginal" lunatic fringe position that he is trying to pretend it is.

Oh, I see. R291 is, in fact R188. I should have known.

The tipping point, as far as I can see, is when it all comes out. When the House votes to impeach him, they will be guided by Mueller's conduct of this mess. The Democrats will be meticulous. Nadler and Schiff will not be fucking around. First we have Mueller's impeccable, detailed indictments and his sentencing documents, then you have the House committees and their witnesses, and the entire world watching. The Media laser focused. Public opinion will finally shift as more people become persuaded that he is in fact a criminal and a traitor, and either the Senate votes to have a trial, or they get run out of office with their asses on fire. Anyone who refuses to take action against Trump in the face of all that will be branded a traitor and a pariah, and will disgrace himself for life.

And you’re a little cunt, R285.

This isn't the first time the writer made up sources and ran with shit that was wrong. This was pointed out before. There's a pattern.

[quote] This isn't the first time the writer made up sources and ran with shit that was wrong

His Fitzmas story is historic, and quite familiar.

R277. Can you imagine what trump's grave site will be like? They better bury that fat orange ass on well-hidden private property because it will be drenched with urine and feces in perpetuity. Actually, might be a good idea to bury him in Siberia. An icy, cold grave in the land he loves best.

I want to see the movie based on the post of r296!

Senate seats up for election in 2020 are 22 Republican seats to 12 Democratic seats. I would think this means that the incumbent Republicans will be eager to capitulate if public opinion is against the Trump crime family.

Sorry about the McTurtle picture.

Well, at least you finally got *something*right, r297!!