Poz and Undetectable on Grindr

Kill yourself

Find him, kill him and then kill yourself

Kill yourself, then have your ghost haunt him

I guess it is tough out there for old bottoms.

DL never disappoints.

It’s over become a tranny.

The first thing you should do, OP, is read up on what "undetectable" means. It literally means just that. You are not in danger. Good lord.

[quote] The most depressing aspect is I am 54 and a lifelong New Yorker and I don't know what to do next. ....So what do I do?

Clearly you are either special needs, not really 54, not really a native New Yorker, or just desperate for attention.

Maybe I am dense but I don't understand what the problem is.

Tell him you're not that kind of girl!!

You're 54, yet you screech like a teenaged girl.

I am unclear if OP's relationship was even consummated.

[quote] I literally screamed OH MY GOD out loud.

Thank god I do not know you in real life.

Go to the clinic tomorrow OP, tell them what happened. They will dose you up with something. Lay off of Grindr, it is clearly not for you.

IF he is telling the truth then you will be fine if you're only concerned about HIV. Of course undetectable doesn't nean you're in the clear for other STIs. After you get a screening you need to ask yourself some questions and take responsibility. Why did you do sonething you feel is risky? Just because you saw his face? Get on pRep. Insist on condoms

No, r15 I never met the guy. I have been ignoring him. I also don't believe in "Poz and Undetectable" - however the issue is his VERY brief reveal of it in his profile.

Does not anyone find that beyond unacceptable?

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Have some soup!

I can’t believe you are traumatized just from looking at your phone.

OP, just go play in the traffic.

Glenn’s dick is dirty, OP. She’s had the virus since the 80s. Get tested, you’re probably poz. Knowing is best.

OP is too stupid to live.

We now live in a world where you must be willing to fuck FTM "front holes" and bareback poz guys. If you don't, you're a bigot and committing "literal violence."

nobody says you MUST do anything. fuck off R22.

if you are on hookup apps you should accept that people lie there or lie by omission. your responsibility is to assess your own level of acceptable risk. if you don't want to bareback then don't do it, with anyone, no matter what they say their status is.

people who are newly poz and don't know it yet can actually be the most dangerous. "undetectable" is a real thing, go read medical literature. poz people aren't lepers, your attitude towards them is antiquated.

R22 is spot-on.

You have fine points, but no one said they are "lepers" r23. Nor are they being treates as such.

R23, aidsplaining, right on schedule.

I don't even understand this thread. He can put whatever he wants in his profile. It's YOUR responsibility (and anyone else's - who uses apps) to be safe. Assume everyone has STDs and go from there.

Get on PrEP if you’re that worried. Once you’re on PreP you mine as well exclusively bareback with undetectable people because HIV risk is near zero.

Same thing happened to me back in the Summer. He seemed decent though and we just chatted.

He had it clearly labeled on his profile. He was nice guy but in the end I didn’t feel comfortable with a guy that came up positive (yet undetectable.) He was cool about all of it.

You didn’t have sex with him? You’re good then. Are you worried he won’t be honest or find some idiot that will BB with him?

Reminds me of an addict. I mean, you caught HIV from barebacking but that doesn’t stop you from doing it.... it’s like the logic of a heroin addict.

R27. No offense but I’d rather hear that from a doctor.

You bareback prep whores always seem to forget/ignore the myriad other STDs out there. So gross.

This is why I just stay home and beat off.

R30 and you can’t get an STD from swallowing so blow away.

I assume every guy I hook up with is hiv + and act accordingly.

"I also don't believe in "Poz and Undetectable""

Do you believe that the earth is round? That evolution explains the origins of humanity? That astronauts have walked on the moon?

[quote] I also don't believe in "Poz and Undetectable"

It doesn’t matter if you believe it or not, but “undetectable” is a medical term, and it means the person cannot transmit the virus as long as they are maintaining their antivirals accordingly. That’s true for bareback sex with someone not even on PrEP, as long as the undetectable person is taking all meds as they should be. I wouldn’t take that chance with someone I didn’t know extremely well (like a partner or serious boyfriend), but PrEP, also used as directed, would protect you if someone’s viral load spiked from a missed dose.

You sound a bit hysterical, OP. Screaming out loud at a profile and reacting like you dodged a bullet when you’re just paranoid and ignorant. The guy in the profile is the one who should feel lucky.

I don't understand what kind of advice OP is even looking for on this issue.

— He never hooked up with the guy, so he's obviously not worried that he contracted HIV.

— He claims he doesn't bareback and he doesn't sound especially attracted to this guy in any case, so unless he's a total spineless idiot, I would assume he's not still pondering whether to let the guy fuck him bareback.

— Is he wondering if he should call the cops or alert the media because some Grindr dude into barebacking is "poz and undetectable"? WTF? It's not like the guy described himself an axe murderer on the prowl for his next victim. If you don't bareback and/or you don't trust that guys with undetectable HIV are telling the truth/safe to hook up with, then take a pass and get on with your life.

What does being a lifelong New Yorker have to do with anything that the OP wrote?

Don't be silly, R36, it means that she's sophisticated and worldly, not easily duped by these "poz and undetectable" types trying to put one over on her.

Imagine living next to OP and you heard her shriek "OMG!" and you called the police because you thought he cut his dick off or was getting murdered and they showed up and he said he was just looking at Grindr...

I5 years ago on gay.com I hooked up with a guy (oral only) and a year later his profile said he was + and that he did drugs. I kind of freaked out, but didn't let him cum inside/on me and didn't get anything from him. I still see him on Grindr and he doesn't say he's +.

15 years ago was different, we didn’t have PrEP, and “undetectable” was rarer and less understood, if at all.

OP sounds like she’s posting from 1992.

Every person has the right of informed consent when it comes to sex—consent which includes knowledge of risks. I think OP feels violated because he discovered the person he chatted with may intend to forestall this right of informed consent when it comes the OP and others.

OP clearly feels this person is deceptive and perhaps wonders about what constitutes a responsible response, however we don't have the full picture needed to firmly conclude the Grinder user is guilty of OP's charge. Would he have disclosed his HIV status if OP invited him over?

If it was only in his profile for a brief moment, maybe it was a glitch. Grindr is a Chinese company now.

So true, R27. Who cares about exposure to other STDs, some of them highly resistant to antibiotics?

[quote]r31 you can’t get an STD from swallowing so blow away.

Oh, really?

Say Hello to our little friends Oral Herpes. Genital Herpes. Genital Warts (which are caused by HPV), Hepatitis A., Chlamydia., Gonorrhea., and Syphilis.

A big cock is worth any possible danger

The first guy I ever let bareback me was poz/undetectable. It was hot.

Still neg here and no STIs

Lordy, you bb gay whores are going to be the end of us. Have you fellas earned nothing from a.i.d.e.s.?

I still see a guy on Manhunt who to this day still has negative on his profile, even though he told me many, many years ago when we chatted that he is poz (we never met). I never considered trying to report him to anybody (who?) but did always hope that he was honest with any guys he may actually hook up with.

We all just take our chances when we have sex with strangers. As someone said upthread, it doesn't matter what someone says in their profile; what matters is that you do whatever necessary to make yourself feel comfortable/protected.

^The real question is, why would you have sex with strangers in the first place? That's not emotionally or physically healthy behavior.

I survived the aids. Hiv negative and I would never have sex with anyone knowing they have the aids. Just never never never.

[quote]The real question is, why would you have sex with strangers in the first place? That's not emotionally or physically healthy behavior.

Having sex with strangers is part of our culture. Why else do you think bars and nightclubs exist? It's not just for getting drunk and dancing to loud music. It's so that people -- single and otherwise -- who want to have no-strings trysts have somewhere to go and meet up and these institutions were in place long before anyone ever thought of inventing a Scruff or a Grindr. And though I agree hookups are often an emotionally-empty endeavor, the sex itself can sometimes be really fucking hot.

That's an easy cop-out to say it's "part of our culture." Not every gay man aspires to be a shameless whore. I just don't understand how or why would you want to do something as intimate as have sex with someone you don't know. No wonder so many gay men are desensitized, emotional voids.

If you don't want to have sex with strangers, don't. That's fine. But why is it your business what others choose to do? There is no need for you to understand other people's sexual choices.

[quote]why would you have sex with strangers in the first place? That's not emotionally or physically healthy behavior.

Did you ever study biology? Have you heard of Darwin? Yes, humans engage in romantic love in a way most animals do not, but there is nothing unnatural or unhealthy about sex with strangers. It's a biological imperative to pass on our genes.

I'm just wondering how you can be so intimate with someone you don't even know. Without any emotional connection or closeness involved, sex is reduced from a beautiful, physically and emotionally intimate experience to a bodily function like taking a leak. When you behave that way, you are no better than animals acting out your base needs. Our expectations as thinking human beings should be higher and more lofty.

What is it about minding your own business and letting others mind theirs that is so hard for you, r54?

R54 last got laid during the Ford Administration.

Gurl, you in trouble.

Actually, r56, I got laid last night. By my husband of three years (we've been together 12 years). We have been monogamous from the day we decided to be exclusive three months into our dating, and the sex is better and hotter than ever, because we have an intense emotional connection that makes the intimacy so special than if were just some meaningless random hook-up. We have zero desire to have an open relationship or cheat. We are emotionally and physically connected to each other. It's pretty magical. You peter pans should give monogamy a whirl.

Well, Dog bless you and your happy home, Miss R58.

R54/R58, your life sounds dazzlingly perfect. I’m such a jealous Peter Pan and I stand in awe of your knowledge that your husband has zero desire to have sex with any man but you. Why, he’s almost beyond human. I sit here crying in salty pool of my own endless tears because the wretched, raunchy, unspeakable acts of debauchery I willingly perform with strangers are totally devoid of emotion or closeness. Oh. Oh. Would that someone could fetch me my smelling salts.

R60, she would lend you her pearls to clutch, except that she broke them during a fit of severe clutching.

[quote]r50 Having sex with strangers is part of our culture.

r58 Oh Mary, I think you have misread your audience here, your life sounds like a dreary heteronormalized shitfest of boring hell

R58, congrats to you. You're lucky. Lots of people (such as many posting here) aren't so lucky. Anything that gets someone through the night...

[quote] A week goes by and on one day his profile reads Poz and Undetectable...I literally screamed OH MY GOD out loud.

Screamed like this?

[quote] A week goes by and on one day his profile reads Poz and Undetectable...I literally screamed OH MY GOD out loud.

Screamed like this?

Brilliant troll post OP

More banal than brilliant. It includes "undetectable" and "bareback" though so the shriekers were drawn to it like moths to a flame. OP might have included something about prep also but he at least knew to show a bit of restraint.

Well, OP, it's pretty clear that you should not be on Grindr since you can't handle the clientele there. Sort out what you are looking for. At 54, companionship should be a priority, as well as maintaining your health. Join a gay softball team or a gay men's choir and find a r'ship with someone decent.

[quote]r18 I can’t believe you are traumatized just from looking at your phone.

R70, he's traumatised because he feels he barely dodged a fatal bullet. Fair enough. To quote Bob Dylan -

"The moral of this story,

the moral of this song,

Is just that you should not be,

where you do not belong."

[quote]You peter pans should give monogamy a whirl.

Maybe they did, r58, and found it didn't suit them. Maybe they aren't married/partnered, so monogamy isn't applicable. (The fact that you just assume they're all cheating on somebody or in an open relationship makes me wonder if you're secure in your own supposedly monogamous relationship.) Maybe they're just not you and don't share your perspective on what makes sex fulfilling. It's great that you're happy with what you've got, but why do you feel the need to try to impose your standards on everyone else? How on earth is it your business if some people don't care to conduct their sex lives the way you choose to?

A guy hit me up on GRINDR to bareback me even though I said I don't do it in my profile; his dick pic was spectacular, but of course I had no intention of going over without knowing if he was our kind. I ask him and said Old Saybrook and Brown.

A week goes by and on one day his profile reads West Haven and UConn...I literally screamed OH MY GOD out loud. By the end of the day the reference disappeared. WTF, right!?

The most depressing aspect is I am 54 and a lifelong New Yorker and I don't know what to do next. ....So what do I do?

Move to Greenwich and start taking PrEP, R74.

Move to Bridgeport. Black dick on the DL for dayzzzzzz!

[Quote]Without any emotional connection or closeness involved, sex is reduced from a beautiful, physically and emotionally intimate experience to a bodily function like taking a leak.

Oh, bullcrap. It's FUCKING. Plain FUCKING. It's nothing more nor nothing less. It's just straight-up fucking, and when it's done right, it feels exceedingly good. The emotional connection comes from a mutual chemistry between personalities, which doesn't necessarily require sex for it to occur.

r77, lovemaking between two adults should be a beautiful thing, frought with tenderness and emotion that comes from connecting on a profound level. You reduce lovemaking to the equivalent of two cats mating in some filthy alleyway. Sex for the sake of sex is never a good thing. We as humans should be so much better than that. Ever hear of a little term that's mostly ignored in gay culture called "self control"?

^^The Church Lady returns!

Yawn. I don't care if this is no "no slut-shaming" era, I'm never fucking a guy if I know he has HIV. I don't care what his detectability status is.

We've already established that is literal violence, R80.

Anyone who believes anything that a Grindr hookup tells them (starting with his name) deserves what they have coming.

I've never had a lot of issues when I insist on wearing a condom because I have no way of knowing whether they're really on prep or if they're taking it regularly.

(And if they have a problem, I assume it means they do not.)

[Quote]Yawn. I don't care if this is no "no slut-shaming" era, I'm never fucking a guy if I know he has HIV. I don't care what his detectability status is.

That's fine, because plenty of other guys will.

Why would anyone believe that someone was undetectable just because he wrote it in his Grindr profile?

You all amaze me.

It may be turn out to be true once you get to know the guy.

But if you're just showing up at this house to fuck him, you're a fool to believe him.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with settling down with one man for life, and having a completely monogamous relationship. Don't let these gay whores try and convince you that, heaven forbid, you're being heteronormative, or that you're boring or the gay culture should be all about sex. My husband and I have been married for three years and being a couple for nine. We are totally committed to each other both physically and emotionally. We have eyes for nobody else. I guess that, unlike many gay men, we come from loving families and are not damaged, so we are able to live physically and emotionally healthy adult lives. If you want it bad enough, you too can find a wonderful man to grow old with. It's actually pretty great.

R78 has got to be a troll, but if not, you know his husband is boning other guys behind his back on the regular.

[quote]There's absolutely nothing wrong with settling down with one man for life, and having a completely monogamous relationship.

No one said there's anything wrong with that. On the contrary, it is you who is trying to tell everyone else what's wrong with the way they live. Complete monogamy is great if you've got a partner and you both agree that's what you want. But it's not for everyone and not the ONLY acceptable way to live and have sex.

[quote]My husband and I have been married for three years and being a couple for nine.

Oh, really? Upthread you said you'd been together 12 years. Tough keeping track of the details of your troll personas?

R87, don't confuse the Church Lady with facts or the inconsistencies in her story.

For you, R87 - Nine (years together before they got married) and 3 (years since they married)=12.years together.

Isn’t everyone a stranger at one point?

How is “getting to know someone” somehow the morally superior way to have sex? People lie all the time

r83 If you're that "well-informed" you'd also know that other STD's are going up in the gay community, poison dick.

[quote]For you, [R87] - Nine (years together before they got married) and 3 (years since they married)=12.years together.

Okay, r89, but what he said is "My husband and I have been married for three years and being a couple for nine." Since they are STILL a couple, I would think that statement indicates that they've been together a total of nine years, three of which they've been married. But Church Lady clearly ain't the brightest bulb on the marquee, so maybe she just expressed herself poorly.

R89, your various numbers were confusing. Nice that you're happy, but the smugness about it is very unattractive. Just enjoy and STFU.

To R85, rather ^^^

Post 94 and no 0/10 reply yet?

-5 white blood cells / 10

What are "Poz" "Undetectable" and "Grindr"?

What am I missing here, OP? You've said you never met the guy. If that's the case, why the hysteria?

I think it's the disappointment in thinking that a real man "picked" him and then realizing "oh, he's pos, he has no standards and fucks everyone". It really does make you feel like shit.

Or, all of the high school chick theatrics aside, OP actually has common sense.

BECAUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEX IS DIRTY!!!!!!!!!!! AND DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, R100, sex is fine as long as you aren't going to kill yourself potentially via cancer in 3 years.

Maybe the pop guys should start fucking women so that a cure will be developed. Just have to infect some women.

Poz too.

We need to make women more accepting of poz partners.

Isn't it funny now?

It's funny how no one mentions this.

Anyway. Enjoy.

There's a tacit understanding, so it doesn't need to be mentioned.

I fear a super-AIDS on the horizon, if it's not already covertly spreading among the gay community thanks to all the PrEP-induced barebacking. Just like the '70s, there will be consequences for all the whoring around. Trust me, it's only a matter of time. And you won't have Reagan or lack of education to blame this time around.

"But life is a banquet!"

Non ironic use of “Super AIDS” = ancient PTSD ridden emotional cripple

There are several dozen such hand wringers who post here.

Thank god they will all be dead soon r110

I pity them just as much as I pity the Prep takers who are idiotic and think it protects them from STIs. Or the dumb, under served men who are HIV+ and don't know it and take PrEP inconsistently.

It seems like common sense, information, and reason is in short supply around gay sex these days.

I don't understand how you think it's hand-wringing to be concerned about an even more deadly strain of AIDS being passed around, possibly via saliva or even in the air, like the the common cold. Viruses mutate, and it is very possible that the virus could become resistant to the formulation of Truvada. Another AIDS is just around the corner. Just you whores wait.

Hell's Kitchen will be ground zero for SuperAIDS, just like Greenwich Village was for the first outbreak. SuperAIDS is going to make RegularAIDS look like hay fever.

Honey someone already pointed out to you that you can't use "superaids" in 2018 because we already had it 15-20 years ago.

And nothing is going to be "deadlier" than old regular boring AIDS. Have you forgotten? It was deadly. Sheesh. You're just talking out of your ass.

Are these trolls, and not PTSD ridden old gays? I mean maybe its trolls just trying to get us all to hate each other.

r115 are you the same dude who was bidding us goodbye a few summers ago because you were the only DLer prescient enough to realize that ebola would become an extinction-level event over the winter?

R117 your rosy opinion of fellow gay men is sweet, but hopelessly naive.

The Supet AIDS contingent is reall, regrettably.

I wish they would hurry up and cure all STD's so we can fuck constantly without fear.

Fuck constantly?!?! Goodness gracious, listen to yourselves. Heavens to Betsy, you all sound so damaged, sex addicts, having sex on the mind 24x7. That is not a healthy way to live your life. Any therapist worth his salt will tell you that. It's time to grow up and settle down and be the adults that you are.

r120 doesn't sound like an adult.

Exactly, r122. We all know exactly what r120 is. I won't say the word, but let's just say he's on a first-name basis with the receptionist at his local STD testing clinic and his pharmacist.

Not as soon as the bareback whores, R111.

R113, don't confuse R110 with facts.

Super AIDS is a myth, whereas the human mortality tables are very real.

On the whole, the young and fuckable on Prep have the advantage over the old and unfuckable and bitter, like you r124

I still don’t understand. Why is this a thread ?

Someone, somewhere is positive and barebacks. They mentioned it. Then they didn’t.

How do some people get through life ?

The only HIV- people this traumatized by HIV-AIDS must be over 55 so the entire set up of this thread is bullcrap.

The OP is a troll r127

His EST headline contains the words “BAREBACK” “UNDETECTABLE” and “GRINDR” and it attracted the pearl clutching shriekers like moths to a flame.

I don't like the term "SuperAIDS" that's being thrown around and certainly hope that they're wrong about that -- the first plague was horrible enough; however, I will say that I don't think the current barebacking trend in the gay community is very wise. I've only heard doctors advise that PReP is to be administered IN ADDITION to condoms, not to take the place of them, so can't understand why so many gay men are ignoring that direction and doing the opposite. But having said, I also do not judge what someone else chooses to do in the course of their own sex life. To each his own I say. It's none of my business.

R58, while I admire what you say you have with your partner, I think you should stop for a moment and remember that not everyone is as fortunate as you've been to find that perfect someone. It would be like Bill Gates saying "Well, I went out and made my billion. Why haven't you made yours?" when the truth of the matter is that some get lucky and some don't. For those of us who fall in the latter category, yes, we often give in to our urges and seek out the company of others -- sometimes you just need that physical closeness with another person. (The hunt for an emotional connection should be a different thread altogether.) Fucking strangers may not be the wisest behavior but it also doesn't, as you seem to be on the border of suggesting, make one a terrible person who deserves to have bad things happen to you just for being human.

R130 you're too sane for this thread.

Undetectable = poz, it doesn't mean neg, so the person can still transmit the virus if they have unprotected sex.

OP here. I am not a troll, though I admit I added "lifelong New Yorker" for fun. I also really did scream a little when I saw his status.

In all seriousness, the young gay men who were closeted and just under the age of being sexually active as the plague years really hit their stride and are the most unexplored group of gay men IMO. Some people here understand me here - R40 in particular - and what r30 said mirrors my life.

One thing I want to add no one else ever seems to mention when discussing Prep...the side effects and longterm impact associated with consuming any pharmaceutical - especially Prep!

In all seriousness, the young gay men who were closeted and just under the age of being sexually active as the plague years really hit their stride are the most unexplored group of gay men IMO. Some people here understand me - [R40] in particular - and what [R30] said mirrors my life.

R132 said, "Undetectable = poz, it doesn't mean neg, so the person can still transmit the virus if they have unprotected sex."

You are absolutely, 100% wrong. Several carefully designed prospective and observational studies have overwhelmingly proven that persons with undetectable viremia do not transmit HIV. Now, you are free to act on that information however you choose, but the scientific proof is indisputable.

undetectable men do not spread HIV, look it up. and people on prep get tested for STIs on a regular cadence, much more often than people normally get checked.

all this handwringing about "sluts" and "bareback whores" is tinged with internalized homophobia and the pernicious belief from religion that sex is bad and evil. heaven forbid that people have sex and enjoy it! even outside of a monogamous relationship, and sometimes without condoms!

People are free to fuck strangers without condoms, just as they're free to thereby expose themselves to a wide variety of STDs, some of them antibiotic resistant.

What I wonder is, if a Poz person is undetectable, and gets levels checked every 3 months, say, how likely is that person's level to dramatically increase from one check to the next (and thus increase the risk to bareback partners)?

Google it, you lazy pearl clutching whore ^

So, what now, OP? Still on Grindr?

Yes r139. Right now since I can't sleep.

[quote]...I literally screamed OH MY GOD out loud.

MARY!!!

Precisely. ^^ OP, why are you screaming out loud about something that, according to your breathless story, involves some anonymous person with whom you did not hook up.

How do you react when something actually happens to you?

What happens if a POZ Typhoid Mary is undetectable for 3 tests and then gets upset about being fired from his job as war-time field medic, so gets a bit anxious, and what if his HIV level goes up against ALL scientific study, and then he fucks all his brave HIV- soldier buddies with this TOXIC DEATH dick, and they all get AIDS AND DIE and their families become homeless and kill themselves. Lying filthy immoral Typhoid Mary POZZIES and barebacking gay sexhounds from HELL on PrEP are destroying civilization as we know it.

Won't anyone think of the innocent CHILDREN!!!!!!

All excellent points, R143!

r143 is obviously being facetious, but WHAT IF someone tests poz but is undetectable at month O, with the anticipation of follow-up testing at month 3, and then fucks raw throughout the entire 3 months? Isn't it possible that sometime during this 3-month period, his viral load could increase to being detectable, while he's happily fucking BB and thinking his partners are safe? So I guess I'm asking, how long is a nondetectable result accurate for?

That's a good question, r146.

R146 When someone first tests positive they arent on antiviral hiv medications and their viral load is usually highest at the point of recent conversion. For someone who is hiv+ and undetectable it is because they consistently take medication that is suppressing the virus.

And what if an asteroid is about to strike earth, RIGHT IN FRONT OF OP's HOUSE? WHAT THEN, I ask you?

OP: OH MY G.....

Just consider this to be a wake-up call, OP, as to whom you may encounter on sites such as Grindr. If this is acceptable to you, by all means go forth.

If you must know, its good for the day of the test.

But most people do not stop their effective HIV treatment.

But if someone did stop, viral rebound could happened in a few weeks.

People having unsafe sex MUST assume anyone has HIV. Therefore if they are taking loads, they need to be at least on PrEP. They won't get HIV but they will get loaded with STIs.

All of this is too complex for people with average or below IQs. Smart people will understand it. The assholes or fools will ignore the information that they understand.

But they'll win a lot of Darwin Awards.

[quote]All of this is too complex for people with average or below IQs. Smart people will understand it.

I really don't think it's that complex. When hooking up on Grindr/other hook-up apps, the health-and safety-conscious should adhere to the following rules:

— Assume everyone is poz with a detectable HIV load. (Of course many are not but there's no way to know who's lying on Grindr).

— Don't bareback.

—If you insist on barebacking, get PrEp and use it as instructed. (If you're really never going to bareback, then weigh the benefits of PrEP against possible long-term side effects.)

— But really, consider the other STIs you might get and just don't bareback.

Of course, many people just don't give a shit about their health and safety, can't get their shit together to follow simple rules, or indulge in the magical thinking that nothing risky they do is ever going to catch up to them.

And none of this explains why the OP felt the need to scream and wring his hands over some poz guy he DIDN'T hook up with. Yeah, it sucks if the guy sometimes lies about/omits his status online, but again, a sensible person will behave as though anyone he meets on Grindr is poz, anyway.

Ditto on R153

r153 speaks truth.

Yes. And the clever snickerers are on their way.

You have an undetectable viral load today. Maybe tomorrow you're meds become resistant and you're viral load skyrocket without you knowing, making you a detectable typhoyd mary. Meanwhile, your spreading you're poz seed.

[quote]I don't understand how you think it's hand-wringing to be concerned about an even more deadly strain of AIDS being passed around,[bold] possibly via saliva or even in the air, like the the common cold.[/bold]

I haven’t seen this level of ignorant, paranoid hysteria since the 80s. There is absolutely no science or study that says HIV could mutate into a casually contagious form passed “in the air” or through saliva. You’re spinning lies that are about 30 years outdated and you’re a despicable troll for doing it. Fuck off.

This thread exists to shame HIV+ people.

Uh...no

The only who are being shamed are the hysterical anti science sex negative pearl clutching unfuckable old hags

Or this thread exists because the OP is an hysteric and an ignoramus.

R153 that IS too complicated because people are not cool thinkers. They don't think they emote and they react based on needs and fears and wishes and illusions. Many people with average or low IQs do not know how to think cooly and rationally. They could have learned but nobody teaches them.

[quote][R153] that IS too complicated because people are not cool thinkers. They don't think they emote and they react based on needs and fears and wishes and illusions.

Yeah, but that doesn't have much to do with IQ.

When I'm looking for a hook up, and I see neg. or neg on PreP in their profile, I'm always so relieved to know so we can bareback. Also to be safe, I tape up a neg guys only sign on the door of the sling room when I'm in there for a night of fun. You gotta look out for your own safety don't cha know.

HILARIOUS gramps!

I have never gotten an answer to this question. What happens when you go in for your three month checkup for your PreP prescription and he doctor finds out you don't have HIV, but have gained other STI's like herpes? Does he still hand out your PreP prescription? Seems cynical and dangerous.

No. If you test positive PreP would be discontinued. At that point you would be prescribed HIV meds that would probably/hopefully bring your viral load down to undetectable. Upon testing positive usually the Dr would order a viral resistance test to determine what pill regimen (cocktail) would work best against your particular viral strain. There's more than 35 HIV antivirals out now so there's many different cocktail combinations.

Yes, I’ve had gonorrhea, chlamydia and syphilis. Early detected and cured by the wonders of modern science r166.

Every month I get a new bottle of Truvada.

[quote]r142 OP, why are you screaming out loud about something that, according to your breathless story, involves some anonymous person with whom you did not hook up. How do you react when something [italic]actually happens to you?

R166 You can get other STIs whether you use condoms or not, especially herpes. Most people on PrEP were barebacking at least some of the time before they started taking it anyway. It would be cynical and dangerous (and pointless) for a doctor to withhold the prescription as punishment as if it would force some sexual moratorium for the patient.

Prudish moralism has nothing to do with medicine r166

You are an incel? Or so ancient that sex is out of the question for you?

Good Lord r168 after the 2nd, or even 3rd STD, when do you just say enough is enough? I am being judgemental and you sound like a petri dish slut.

Life is a banquet you pathetic sex negative loser at r172. I have suffered no long term effects / consequences.

The amoebas from eating ass sucked, but it was worth it.

" I have suffered no long term effects / consequences".......

Yet r173.

Yet.

r173 has a death wish.

We are going to die r174. By having sex with as many hot guys as I can, I’m living my life to the fulllest. It’s self actualization to the highest degree. You do what works for you, incel. I’m doing what works for me.

"We are all going to die anyway."

Well yes. But the same could be said about smoking or riding a motorcycle without a helmet.

Some of us want a good quality of life while we're here. And for me that includes not having a bunch of gross STDS.

R177 maybe antibiotics weren’t available in your youth grandma, but modern medicine is a miracle now. They’ve even got a pill which prevents The AIDS! You might hauling your old carcass out of that iron lung and getting up to speed with science.

R178: there is no cure for herpes, and I'd rather not have painful sores on my mouth and dick.

Then there's HPV, which causes a host of cancers if not found and treated early enough.

Have fun with all that raw, random dick. No skin off my back. I just don't need it to have a fulfilling life.

[quote]Life is a banquet you pathetic sex negative loser at [R172].

Oh fer chrissakes. Taking a few precautions during sex in order to remain disease negative does not mean that you are sex negative.

Wise friends - counsel me. I can visit Berlin, Barcelona-Sitges, or Mykonos this summer. But I'm worried about that airborne SUPERAIDS that's floating around. Which destination is going to have less AIRBORNE AIDS?

I'm getting kind of cynical. I don't understand why we have to put up with the POZ deathdick and Prostitution Whore PrEPers. Why isn't there a sexy gay vacation spot with NO HIV allowed. Nobody on PREP. They have every disease in the book and many other books as well. Just us rational horse hung HIV- negative folks looking to have raw sex with each other without the partycrashers.

Go on and make jokes, r181. I'm sure some gay guy was mocking people in 1978 who claimed that a deadly sexually transmitted virus is on the horizon, if not already spreading within the community. Everyone laughed. Those of us you label maiden aunts and sex negatives will have the last laugh.

You’ll be dead, of old age and loneliness, soon r182

And we will have the last laugh

Filthy whore at r183, I rather die in my sleep of old age, which is how most of my relatives have gone, than die a horrifying death that resulted from me needing to orgasm.

[quote]There's more than 35 HIV antivirals out now so there's many different cocktail combinations.

Apropos of that: interesting article about "non-responders" -- people whose CD4 numbers don't rebound even after years of antiretroviral therapy. It's estimated that around 200,000 of the 1.1 million Americans living with HIV are non-responders.

"There are tens of thousands of these non-responders in the U.S., whose low CD4 numbers put them at much higher risk of heart attacks, stroke, cancers, secondary infections such as tuberculosis, and death. And yet, drug companies and researchers aren’t actively pursuing new treatments that would boost their immunity."

Can that airborne SUPERAIDS travel through the internet?

Be very careful n the apps, guys.

I've just learned from another thread that there is an ent (tee person from LoTR) raping people.

I'm not going down so easily. I protect myself!

SUPERAIDS only vector is the senile minds of ancient gay PTSD sufferers r186

Once they’re dead, SUPERAIDS will be cured

Yes, R188, it wouldn't be easy to go down, in that getup.

So smug, r189. Just wait till purple lesions start appearing on your arms and your friends start dropping dead of a mysterious disease. Then you'll sing a different tune. And it will be happening, make no mistake about that, my friend. How can it not with all this wanton whoring that is increasing other STDs exponentially? All of those STDs will open the door for a lethal disease, just like originalAIDS. We are following the exact same pattern that gave birth to originalAIDS. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. I have happily and monogamously coupled. You couldn't pay me enough to hook up with some hot twink that could be harboring superAIDS.

Mother says SUPERAIDS is passed by cruising!! I’m blindfolding myself like Sandra Bullock in Birdbox every time I leave the house now!

Is this a parody r191?

HIV was NOT created because homos were having a ball in the 70's. Let's get real. HIV existed for decades - it came from bush meat. It's a virus not a metaphor or a stealth creation by a vengeful higher being.

What today's piggy boys are going to create and spread are treatment resistant claps - a few varieties. I would say we're now in a crapshoot situation. They don't have the treatments for a very few claps nowadays. If those spread around, thousands of sex pigs - male and female - will get it. And it will be passed to the guy who 1x a year fucks an infected prostitute - so there.

Thank you for your thoughts, Mr Nobel Prize in Medicine ^

A clapshoot situation, R194

If someone looks healthy, is it safe to assume that they're undetectable and therefore okay to bareback with?

Define healthy, Rose.

Yes, physical beauty makes a man immune to SUPERAIDS

When they get fat or old, the become susceptible to SUPERAIDS or OriginalAIDS.

It's fat eldergays that are carriers tuh AIDS

What about New Aids Lite?

It's frustrating to read the comments mocking those who have lived through the AIDS epidemic.

It's frustrating to know that because of the choice to have unsafe sex, which is encouraged both expressed and implied by the makers and supporters of PrEP drugs, gay men are once again potent vectors for the spread of ANY infection.

If you seriously believe my frustrations are misplaced, explain to me what makes you think that way.

R183, must you always be so common?

OriginalAIDS was bad. Just wait for SuperAIDS, that could possibly be spread through the air. I'm not a "sky is falling" type person, but I feel it's coming. I watched a documentary about Harvey Milk a few weeks back. It showed footage from the vigil right after his murder. The narrator commented that probably about 40-50% of the gay men at the vigil were probably already infected with HIV but of course didn't yet know it. I feel the same way when I stroll through HK. I see so many beautiful young men and I wonder how many of them are already harboring a SuperAIDS thanks to all the BB sex that will make itself known in a couple of years.

Are homosexual men the only who are a susceptible to SUPERAIDS through airborne transmission R203? If so, it pretty much proves that SUPERAIDS is the design of a vengeful God to punish sinners who are filthy whores.

You're actually able to "stroll" through HK? I would think that you'd be using a walker, at minimum. Breaking a hip would be disastrous at your age...even more so than being infected with a fog bank laden with SUPERAIDS.

r204 and your ilk, you have absolutely no respect for the generation of gay men who came before you and suffered devastating loss, do you?

I’m suffered many devastating losses r205, including some friends who died of AIDS. The difference between me and you, is that I have not become a hectoring anti science PTSD laden emotional cripple. You loss is valid, but your hysterical reactions are not.

r206, are you saying that it's impossible for the virus to become resistant to the components of Truvada? Do you know what a nightmare that would be with all these guys barebacking while on it?

Trust. As soon as the virus can break the Truvada wall, we will know within months. An HIV infection will be caught based on how many are really getting regularly tested, which isn't everyone, but PLENTY.

Do you think all these guys who get truvada on the black market and/or use it for recreational weekend whoring around are getting tested regularly?

[quote][R206], are you saying that it's impossible for the virus to become resistant to the components of Truvada?

I'm not r206, but no, of course it's not impossible for the virus to become resistant to Truvada. That is a legitimate concern; however, the likelihood of an airborne SuperAIDS is not and the troll who keeps posting hysterical predictions about it is just being an alarmist scold. The fact that he believes this super-virus will be airborne, yet somehow only seems to see it affecting slutty, barebacking young gay men, is proof enough that he is just moralizing, not dispensing rational, science-based advice.

I prefer AIDS Zero to AIDS Lite, R200.

Same great taste as AIDS Classic, without the strange aftertaste!

Go ahead and joke, r211. I'm sure any sexually active gay man in 1978 would've howled at the possibility of a lethal sexually transmitted disease coursing through the gay community a few years later, yet here we are.

R209. The study about relatively poorly employed black men who take PrEP thinking they are negative but are not - would show that no - even people with prescriptions are not in proper medical care.

I wouldn't worry about guys who buy Truvada cash from India - because it aint cheap, so they will be using it as indicated - a pill a day.

I think its a myth that any substantial group of men take Truvada just for a weekend. that 's outlier stuff.

But the hundreds of thousands in Europe and North America, currently on PrEP are a very very large group of guys who ARE getting regular testing so if and when Truvada is overcome by a resistant virus and there are clusters of new infections - we will know - and FAST. The few examples of people getting HIV on Prep now are that - a very few, and odd circumstance. In general - hundreds of thousands of HIV cases are being prevented every month.

I'm r201. It's one of two posts I've made on this thread. If you would, please, posters who find my frustrations are misplaced, respond directly.

R214 it doesn't have to be a binary. It rots that STI infections are up. But its also true that PrEP prevents HIV infections. And its true that gay men like all people love sex and are human and want to have a lot of sex. Its complicated not binary.

I guess what it comes down to is that an explosion of STIs, some drug-resistant, is favorable to an increase in HIV in the community. That's all well and good. What gets me is that the STI increase wouldn't be happening if it weren't for these dumb whores who insist on BB while on PrEP.

well that about sums it up R216. But you know, you can just have sex with condoms, yourself, and avoid whatever mess is brewing. That's what "they" told us in 84 or so and I followed that and avoided the plague. I doubt we can put the genie back in the bottle and expect most young guys to use condoms ---- until they all get resistant clap and suffer and decide its not worth it.

I had a conversation with some straight co-workers when we were working late one night a few months ago. They were talking about some chicks they were banging. When I asked them if they use condoms, they looked at me like I had three eyes. These guys told me they rely on the girl to take responsibility for birth control. Evidently the idea of HIV or other STDs doesn't even factor into the equation for them. I just have it tatooed in my mind essentially to always use a condom, and I guess I assumed anyone, gay or straight, having sex used condoms religiously too. My point is that young guys, gay or straight, are having as much sex as they want, and all of it raw, so it's not fair to label young gay guys was wanton sluts, because their straight counterparts are doing the exact same thing. It's youth...you can't keep it down.

What is "Clap" that you keep referring to? I have never heard of it. It must be some old slang term. How old are you R217

R218 the real motivation for these anti Prep trolls is envy. They are too old, fat, and socially unskilled to have sex with attractive guys, and so they resort to shrill hectoring people who are sexually active. It’s sad, pathetic, and all too laughable.

Har dee har har

Gonorrhea, colloquially known as the clap, is a sexually transmitted infection (STI) caused by the bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae.[

First sentence of wiki entry!

Having been in NYC in the 80s, I'm at the point that I don't care what happens to the fools who put themselves at risk by barebacking. Can't be bothered. Micro-organisms are wily and almost certainly will mutate and become resistant, though I think the air-borne part is unlikely. Whatever.

Thank you for your permission to have sex gramps

I fisted and barebacked a total stranger today. I felt more alive than I’ve ever been.

No you didn't R233 but thanks for playing.

But I did r224

Oh yes I did

And I even kissed him afterward

Luke Evans met VIctor Turpin on Grindr. Luke is POZ and Victor is now infected I would assume. Grindr is fucked up!!!!

Loon ^

A new meta-analysis of 20 studies and roll-out projects of HIV pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) in gay and bisexual men confirms very high rates of diagnosis of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) in study participants and PrEP takers.

The meta-analysis finds that the rates of diagnosis for any STI in participants in the studies ranges from 33 to 100% – meaning, in the latter case, that there were more STI diagnoses over the course of a year than there were participants in the study.

The authors add that the evidence for whether increases in STIs happen before or after PrEP initiation is very mixed, and suggests that at least some of the high rates of STIs seen in people taking PrEP is due to high rates of STI testing.

R226 that is absolutely ridiculous, you retard

Sex has always had major consequences. Think about before antibiotics when you carried you syphilis or clap around with you the rest of your very short life. Or pregnancies before the pill. A fun, carefree sex life,with strangers especially, has historically been extremely risky.

It’s 2018 r230, not the Middle Ages, like you when you were at your prime

We have Prep, Valtrex and antibiotics. Gay men don’t care about fraus getting knocked up. Pregnancy is irrelevant, because butt babies are aborted when you take shit.

Share those loads internally boys.

Excuse me, it’s 2019, not 2018

Which means r230 comments are even more irrelevant than in the past

R231 proves public schools are truely pathetic...

[quote]truely

Oh dear

Is “truely” the correct spelling in Middle English?

R231 is an unabashedly perverted slut.

If all you want is a hasty dick in your ass, what does it matter what his face looks like, OP?

I"m one of those who does weekend Truvada. I do have bareback sex with some FB's who are poz but undetectable. I draw the line at anyone cumming in me--I don't want or need that. I feel I"m protected because the science says I should be.

I haven't ever gotten an STI either

r231 has no redeeming social value. That is all.

There is no "Weekend Truvada", you either take it daily or you don't. The doctor tells you it needs to be taken daily to be effective, and that it isnt effective until you have been on it for at least a week.

R240, actually weekend Truvada has some effectivity--not has high as every day--but it does have a large amount (something like 60% for weekend vs over 90% of everyday)

Guys are barebacking with weekend Truvada for an approximate 40% chance of contracting HIV if they're exposed?!?! I guess some protection is better than none, but jesus h. christ, it's hard to muster much sympathy for these dumb whores when they eventually test poz.

All people with AIDS are innocent

The first wave of victims in the 1980s and early 1990s did not deserve any blame, but let's face it... just about anyone who seroconverts today has no one to blame but himself (or herself).

That’s sickening r244

People slip up...through drinking, depression,love, etc. I know that your sex life has been over for 30 years, but really...grow a heart, you judgemental cunt.

R241, thanks. I'm fine with that. When you gotta go, you gotta go. At least I'll leave a beautiful corpse.

R238

Or not.

R245 exactly. Those who got the aids in the 80s were responsible for it. Drugs. Not sleeping. Multiple sex partners. Drinking. Smoking. Antibiotics all the time. All these things are cofactors for aids. Anyone who did not do all this shit never caught the aids.

Whut ^

R249, R248 is portraying a type of person one might encounter 25 years ago. There were HIV denialists in the 80s and 90s.

Denialists claimed that AIDS wasn't a virus, it was the righteous consequences of a gay lifestyle, with its disco dancing, amyl nitrite, sling orgies, and Denny's pancakes after 2 am. One didn't have to worry about the AIDS if one had a healthy lifestyle.

I think that r248’s post was meant as satire

[quote]Smoking.

The DEVIL's weed!

I'm a bottom, and if a guy tells me he was undetectable as of November, and shows me a test result to attest to that, it's safe to assume he's still undetectable and that he wouldn't need to use a condom to fuck me. Is that correct?

Go for it r253

Take as many loads as humanly possible, for life is a banquet.

[quote]We now live in a world where you must be willing to fuck FTM "front holes" and bareback poz guys. If you don't, you're a bigot and committing "literal violence."

Yes!!!! We are ALL committing LITERAL VIOLENCE for not letting POZ guys fuck us raw! Ridiculous.

Listen gang, I'm 55 years old and moved to NYC in 1981, a few months after AIDS did. Perfect timing, huh? I remain HIV negative, but sadly lost a huge number of friends and many acquaintances. I recently have exhibited mild PTSD symptoms because of that trauma, but I'm working on it. This is common with guys in my situation. How did I manage NOT TO DIE?? Condoms. Every time I fuck. Condoms. NOW POZ strangers on Grindr are SHAMING guys like me for demanding condoms!

NOW, we're supposed to reverse the ingrained reaction to a sex partner's poz status and have UNSAFE sex with a him because he CLAIMS he is "U=U" (as all the public service announcements tell us) Undetectable = Untransmissable....Ok, cool I'm happy for people, but I'm NOT GOING TO JUST TAKE YOUR FUCKING WORD FOR IT! Do you know how MANY guys I know who seroconverted because their partner (often their boyfriend) told them they had "nothing to worry about", but they were wrong, ignorant to their status, or lying? See what happens when you give away responsibility for your own safety?

At the end of the day the HIV negative guy knows how to not seroconvert and the other guy doesn't. Facts are pesky things!

Hey gramps...it’s 2019

Look on the internet Of Tubz, go to “Google”, and type “PREP”

We did and realized it did nothing but make us susceptible to virtually every other nasty STD along with lots off pointless longterm side effects, you common tramp r256.

All this talk about barebacking = STI's, but you're just as likely to get an STI from giving a blow job to a guy who's dick is infected with syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes etc.

Unless of course, you're using a condom for oral sex as well. Which I hardly doubt any of you who are still sexually active will do.

What's it like to give oral with a condom? I've lost count, but I know I've blown well over 500 guys throughout the years, and not one has bagged it.

And you've never gotten a STD, right?

What exactly are the side effects of PrEP? I was on it over 2 years and experienced none. Also didn’t get any STDs. Other behaviors probably minimized these risks compared to others but I still find the hysteria here to be absurd.

Fact is, if people with HIV/AIDS kept their dicks to themselves the disease would eventually disappear. AIDS and other STDs are natures way of saying promiscuity is wrong. You can argue with me all you want but STDs simply do not happen to strictly monogamous couples. You have every right to fuck around, but I also have every right to judge you for it.

As evidenced by today's announcement of the Brazilian Twitter account which worked overtime to spread the Covington video, I have absolutely no doubt there are fake accounts here....especially on this post.

As I read on CNN Business, "This is the new landscape: where bad actors monitor us and appropriate content that fits their needs. They know how to get it where they need to go so it amplifies naturally. And at this point, we are all conditioned to react and engage or deny in specific ways. And we all did."

r263, go back to bed, hon.

There's a super hot guy at the gym whose raw load I am craving. Rumor around the gym grapevine is that he's poz, which is supposably why his bf left him last year when he found out. I'm not on PrEP, but I am assuming he's undetectable. There are times I don't mind if my top uses a condom, but if I can snare this guy, I want his load raw. Will not settle for a condom. He is THAT hot!

R265 let us know when succeed at taking that cock. Take a picture of your loaded ass, publish it on Imgur, and make a post here. You’re embracing life itself, and these old hysterical queens will have a stroke.

Thanks for the encouragement, r266. I really hope to be seeded this week or next. He def knows I'm interested, and I've gotten the vibe recipricated. He has a phenomenal body and is very handsome, so am assuming he is undetectable. U=U.

r265 - before your desired BB session with the hot guy, why not get on PreP? You can't just assume he's "undetectable", take control of the situation and get yourself on Truvada.

BTW: My BF is Poz and undetectable and I'm Neg, but as a precaution, I've been on Truvada for over three years with no side effects what so ever. I get tested every 3 months; a full blood panel and STI check-up. If I don't do the 3-month tests, I don't get my Truvada prescription refilled. And that really the best part about PreP in order to get on it, you see your doctor or PA every 3 months and thus if you do catch anything - it will be known pretty quickly.

Multi-drug resistant Shigella detected in the UK and USA, mostly in gay men.

Shigella causes severe, prolonged diarrhea and stomach cramps. It is transmitted by contact with very small amounts of human feces and can be passed on during certain sexual activities. Rimming, fingering, fisting, anal sex, handling sex toys after use in the anus, and occasionally oral sex can all carry a risk. The bacteria may pass from fingers to the mouth.

Doctors treating patients with severe diarrhea need to be aware of this predominately male cluster of multi-drug-resistant cases, and ask patients about their sexual activity and recent travel.

Why does gay sex have to be so difficult? Makes you wonder if it's nature's way of telling us that condomless sex with multiple partners is not a healthy lifestyle.

[quote]Why does gay sex have to be so difficult? Makes you wonder if it's nature's way of telling us that condomless sex with multiple partners is not a healthy lifestyle.

Bullshit. Straight people are just at risk as gays. Remember the highest HIV infections rates are in the heterosexual population of Sub Saharan Africa

List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate

Why do people shame those who get HIV. We don't yell, "You deserve it!" to people who get heart attacks after a lifetime of eating junk.

Stop obsessed about "getting his load."

BB sex without someone cumming in you is safer than having that person cum in you.

Whut ^

Its not even fun to troll the PTSD clench-butted sex-negative unfucked eldergay HIV- survivors. I think these are mostly a rare breed who come to DL because they find a few brethren and can wring their hands together.

R276 What a fucking sad case you are. You want HIV negative people to feel bad because they never sank to your level of self destruction and depravity. Get help you sociopathic sick bastard!

I'm HIV- and have zero issues with HIV+ people - friend - lovers - fuckbuddies. I never judged guys when I was young in the 80s and I don't judge guys now. You PROJECT all your hatred and rage. Look in the mirror. Failed human.

Show some respect, r276. You never saw the horrors they did. I can only imagine what that does to a survivor.

Respect? I lived the "horrors". 3 lovers DEAD. All gruesomely. I didn't survive to turn into the freaks who come Ito these threads. It's sad. Pathetic.

R280 some people are weak and they turn into hysterical emotional cripples. It’s best to block them, because their overwhelming fear really is a downer.

If I lived through the plague of the '80s, I'm not sure I'd be able to have sex either. The fear of contracting the disease would be too much to bear.

Its not just fear. What could they fear? Nobody is raping them bareback. Fear of the airborne SUPERAIDS troll? I don't even think the SUPERAIDS troll is an old survivor. More likely a undersexed man of any age, with a low IQ.

Oh please 282. Do you think we stopped having sex in our 20's because some people had AIDS and were dying? No, we put on condoms. And fucked our brains out. Maybe some of these older PTSD types gave up back then, young. Didn't have the stomach or courage to just get their freak on. So that's a adult lifetime of shitty sex, or sex with fear, or no sex. Pathetic.

It's a form of PTSD. They watched their friends die inhuman deaths and were probably super-paranoid about contracting the disease themselves. After witnessing all that tragedy, it's totally understandable why that paranoia would linger and eventually become so ingrained and part of their pyches. What doesn't anyone get about that? Maybe not the best of analogies, but imagine being in a plane crash where you're the only survivor. Unless you've got nerves of steel, it would take a lot to get you to fly again or get anywhere near a plane.

I understand the PERSONAL paranoia but these trolls HATE people who take Prep, people who bareback, people who have HIV, people who have messy human sex lives.

Compare to Conversative mind set - hate "the other" - DANGER - IMMORALITY - SIN - DEPRAVITY.

Troll above called me DEPRAVED because I don't hate 20 or 30 somethings getting their freak on and not getting HIV.

Block, for instance, R46, and discover that about 15% or 40 of the posts in this thread are from one poster troll, who is on one hand shaming people for being sexual, and on the other hand making posts about having lots of gay sex, and shaming people for using condoms and distrusting people who say they're on PrEP.

It's none other than D@vida R0chelle, Poo Shoes. She hates gay men but hangs out on a gay discussion board. How about that?

Exactly. Mental illness on display. And then we have the perfectly healthy DLers who don't know how to read between the lines, and they fall for this trolling.

R284 No, what's pathetic is sex is so important to you that you're willing to die or open yourself up to disease for it. How self loathing you must be.

[quote]r250 Denialists claimed that AIDS was the righteous consequences of a gay lifestyle, with its disco dancing, amyl nitrite, sling orgies, [bold]and Denny's pancakes after 2 am.[/bold]

OMG ... this was disproven, though ? ? ? ? ? ?

R288 do you think that d@vida could be triggered into killing her self?

Many DLers would like that.

The BB fanatics on here must be trolls. No one could be that stupid IRL.

I just had a load In my ass, by a man whose name I didn’t know, and won’t see again, two hours ago r293

Life is, indeed, a cum filled banquet...if you’re on Prep

If my ass burns, or there is discharge from my hole in the future, I will go to my doctor and get a prescription. And I’ll be good as new.

oh r264 you gave exactly the response we expected

Good for you, r294! There's nothing like taking a stranger's raw loads. I would make that my life's work if I didn't have bills to pay. THIS is what being gay is about, and not living some dull, suffocating,monogamous heteronormative life. Life's a banquet...enjoy it to the max.

R294 corroborates R293.

R293 is talking out of his ass

Everything I’ve told you really happened to me today. I’m scrupulous in my posting about sex on DL, because, even if some people don’t believe me, I know that it’s true.

Viva internal creampies!

"...banquet.."

Let's see now... I'll have a small portion of Herpes....and a smidge of Chlamydia...and, oh, just a spoonful of that yummy Syphilis....

^Move it along, frau!

R299 modern medicine has a cure for all those things.

Your hysterical anti science denial makes you a sad, sad cunt.

So many jealous sex-negs posting here who haven't been touched in years, if ever. Retreat to your housewives and porn stars of yesteryear threads and leave the great sex conversations to those of us actually having lotts of sex. I had two raw loads deposited in me this morning at the gym, and that put a little spring in my step this overcast day.

Do you hold the loads in your ass as long as you can r302?

I fucking love holding loads. It makes a delicious secret for the workday at my office.

I took both loads in quick succession about four hours ago, so I can still feel them intermingling as they lube and ooze from my boi-cunt. I doubled up on boxer briefs to avoid any noticeable leakage throughout the day at work. I'm heading back to the gym after work for more. Hoping to get a few more creamy loads tonight. Before and after work are the best times at my gym to get raw milky loads from all the hot closeted suit and tie DILFs before they take the train back to their humdrumb married lives in Conn. or Westchester.

I finally had a guy piss in my ass last weekend. It wasn't as hot as I thought it was going to be.

R305, I imagine it would be just under 98.6F (or 37 C). Is this not the case?

just nasty. these threads always change my mind. maybe i will just marry my annoying boyfriend cause out there is nothing but garbage.

[quote]prep get tested for STIs on a regular cadence

MAKES NO SENSE.

THE WORD IS BASIS.

Cadence is related to sound.

Or do something about your highly detectable brain-AIDS.

You'll miss out on the BANQUET though, R307!

[quote]brain-AIDS.

Are you for real r309?

The term is Airborne SUPERAIDS. At least get the terminology of your trolling right.

the BANQUET OF DISEASE. My ass is too clean and classy for that shit.

I’ve had at least 1000 guys eat from my ass banquet r312, and I’ve never gotten anything that wasn’t easily cured.

Modern medical science is a miracle. Pull your head out of your ass and educate yourself.

^^^NASTY

Wait, so airborne superAIDS is really a thing? Shit, I made out with a guy I don't know last week. How do I know if he's carrying the airborne version or original AIDS?