***OFFICIAL Trump Oval Office Andress Thread***

"Andress?" Really?

Or “Address” (DL needs an edit function)

I like Andress. It’s very Dump.

He's going to andress me with his eyes!

Everyone should pour a nice cup of covfefe beforehand.

Go get him gurl!

Wow, I'm watching Chris Hayes and the ever dynamic Tim Kaine is making probably the best, well thought out and snark filled argument against the wall.

Chuck Todd was apparently at a luncheon at the white house this afternoon. He reported that he got the impression this is to keep the republicans in congress from defecting away from the wall.

If he starts to brag, I'll have to turn it off. He has absolutely NO humility and its gotten to the point where I can't stand another "I'm the best president in the history of the universe-ever!"

It makes me so angry.

Who else was at the off-the-record lunch with Trump today?

R7, but we lucked out with VP pence!

I ain't listening to that asshole. I'll be here reading what you all post.

Did MSNBC decide to telecast this shit show?

R11 = Svetlana Zlopasnost

I'll watch. Just before he begins, he may hit with a bolt of celestial lightning only he can see and experience and announce that he's resigning.

Like Michael Dorsey in "Tootsie" where he seizes the live moment to reveal he's a man.

may be

I hope MSNBC has Rachel side by side fact-checking him.

MSNBC is pulling out the guns...Rachel, Nicolle Wallace, Brian Williams, Chuck Todd...

Well, there is always this alternative, I guess....

[quote]Chuck Todd

They can't all be winners.

Its better than Cats

I'm already drunk. Bring it on, Trump.

Cmon Mueller Indict Don Jr DURING Trumps speech, he would order the code red live, he would lose any semblance of sanity and control.

Oh, sweet God, that would be fantastic, R22.

He's going to talk about Proactive isn't he?

"Witch hunt." "No collusion."

I’m on my second glass of red moscato.

DO NOT WATCH.

Turn your TV on to ANY other channel. This will help his ratings lower.

Monitor Twitter to see when it's over, and then turn back.

Make the ratings spike up after he's gone.

Kill his ratings. That will piss him off more than anything else.

If someone wants to give a heads up so I can watch Chuck and Nancy's response, I might do that.

W&W for R24. If you'd spelled the product correctly you'd be in the Hall of Fame.

R26 - I am going to have a glass of wine too!

I think Trump is going to try to be serious and Presidential. He’ll take a stab at it. They’re will be plenty of fearmongering and blame despite the fact that he can’t get Mexico to pay for the wall.

He has to have the wall. I think even the most ardent Trump people know he doesn’t have a “win” to get re-elected on.

There*

I like how all the news pundits are coming straight out and calling Trump's words LIES!

Thanks r29, though I am not so secretly happy I have no clue how to spell it correctly!

If you take a step back and see how crazy this is. Any other President making an announcement would have pundits discussing the policy. People would groan about missing their shows. Instead EVERY single channel is talking about how many lies he will tell. All of the talk isn't about the wall, it's about fact checking the liar in chief

R34 Proactiv. The company's probably full of idiots peddling their rubbing alcohol and witch hazel THEY don't even know how to spell it.

It's almost as though the press thinks they need to be guardians of the truth and public interest. That can't be the US media.

I hope he's a coked out, red faced mess and strokes out on camera.

Have we appointed an official sniff counter?

Pay attention to his hair. The crazier the hair, the crazier he be.

I nominate you r39

I refuse to watch. I’m reading this thread instead.

Is he really in the Oval Office? It looks green-screened around his head.

It's for the children.

He's sedated.

^^^me too!

Bwaaaahaaa

It's for the black, hispanic, and addicted people.

He linked blacks and Hispanics with drugs.

I refuse to watch that fucker President, but I guess I will hang out here and see if anything important happens, it won't.

Improper camera angle.

The awards in the background look like Kuering coffee selections

Vicious coyotes!

"by vicious coyotes."

Huh?

He's "a speaking" to us all!

You must admit, this is a novel approach.

lol, 53

Thanks in advance for those of you who are willing to watch for the squeamish. You're doing God's work

SNIFF

Who's the black and white picture of? His mother?

Unithed Schathess...

*sniff*

I caught that too, r55.

A crisis of the heart and soul!

Mary!

Did he just talk about children being eaten by coyotes?

"bed space"

R27 is right.

You're only enabling him and giving him attention.

Is he "live?"

He looks and sounds like he’s about to have a panic attack.

More commentary please guys! Or is he not saying anything of note?

My summer vacation by Donny Trump.

His squinty eyes look like sideways buttholes

He's like a Carnival Barker making a hostage videotape.

SNIFF

I can’t stop focusing on the turkey wattle neck vagina hanging over his tie. 🤮

Why is his right eye closing?

Wait - did he really call Blacks and Hispanics drug addicts???

SNIFF

He's squinting at the cue cards

I approve this message.

He's rather subdued and not doing any of his Trumpisms

Oh my god, there's nothing more entertaining than watching something with DL.

God the sniffing.

He should have practiced reading this speech a few times. He's got the delivery of a high school speech class student.

SNIFF

GIANT SNIFF

Stroke! Stroke! Stroke! Come on....

Lock him up!!!!!!!

7 min in....nothing yet

BIG SNIFF

He’s reading directly from the TelePrompTer

youtube folks

SNIFFFFFFFFF

He's definitely nervous. He had gotten much better and more comfortable reading a teleprompter. This is bad.

LOL! Democrats demand the steel barrier?

TO. GET. THIS. DONE.

r75, he said illegal immigrants hurts black and Hispanics and immediately stated they bring in fentanyl, cocaine, drugs, etc.

SNIFF

Reading with one squinty eye & pupils the size of doorknobs.

SIDEWAYS SNIFF

SNIFF SNIFF SNIFF

Oh, God, he's back to politicians building walls around their houses...

MURDER MOST FOWL!

An illegal ellian

Liar- The Democrats AND GOP already had a bill for border security. He wouldn't sign it.

"stallin" instead of "stolen"

Lies, lies, and MORE LIES!

SNIFF SNIFF

Horribly victimized. Mary!

SNIFFFFFFFFFFF

He just called out wealthy politicians that have walls around their homes

Illigel alleyin...

Not watching his propaganda speech, but based on the comments on here, Trump has nothing new to say.

And the damn media is giving him 8 free minutes for his unhinged propaganda. AGAIN!

The camera angle is killing him. He's not talking to the American people

He pronounces "alien" as if it was Elian Gonzalez.

So he’s a wealthy politician?

So sad!

Whozh love onezh were shtolen

Has he had his two scoops yet?

MS13 gang members

viciously stabbing and beating a 16 year old girl

I've held the hands of the weeping mothers

"Raped, murdered, AND beaten to death"

I love all of you bitches. I hope we have a final sniff tally at the end of this.

And a white American citizen killed multiple concert goers in Las Vegas .....

You're lecturing us on morality...really, tiny IQ45?

If he's so concerned about murdered Americans, then why doesn't he do something about gun control.

You people are such sheep.

You're giving him what he wants: Attention.

Fools. And some of you call yourselves Democrats?

What little I've seen so far it's very clear the man can barely read. He's like a 4th grader. He's barely above a cretin.

Trump voters are stupid.

Trump uses the old tactic of using rare, extreme situations to generalize. And they fall for it every time.

"Raped, murdered, and beaten to death."

You only die twice.

Whozh life was sho crooly shtolen

*Adderal sniff*

Did he just say drisis instead of crisis?

Secure our border

GIANT INHALE SNIFF

Sniff!

We'll be murdered in our beds if congress doesn't pay up and BUILD THAT WALL - FENCE- BEADED CURTAIN - DITCH.

Next he'll give a presidential address of the gun violence that kills tens of thousands of Americans every year. Right? So sad!

That's it? That's all? We heard all this before

Yeah, that didn't sway anyone either.

Wait, gated communities are immoral?

SNIFF SNIFF SNIFF SNIFF

Rape, murder beaten to death

SNIFF

Dismembered

SNIFF

MS 13

SNIFF SNIFF SNIFF

Sad

Terrible

DNIFF SNIFF

Congress not doing its job

SNIFF SNIFF

God...this motherfucker is wheezing like a 79-year-old smoker

The coyotes in question:

He totally held in that last sniff after he said good night. It looked painful.

What time did this shit start? 9:00? I just tuned in. So it lasted all of 11 minutes?

No God Bless America. Shame shame shame

Is his face red tonight? With tRump, I never know if I have to adjust the color on my tv.

[quote]Why is his right eye closing?

Hopefully he's stroking out soon.

r132 Beaded Curtain. Love it.

R73 that’s all I could see too

Is it over?

WTF was that?

I'm in an alternate reality....help.

A big fucking nothing. So now, Trump has lowered the standard for the all important presidential address.

R146 Yes

I can't even stand looking at Chuck Todd.

"God the sniffing."

Leave me out of this. This man's lying lips can't even pass his own sniff test.

Pathetic. So no state of emergency move.

He's desperate. Totally reeked of desperation.

Sniff!

He should have arranged for fake tears.

5 more minutes and he would have passed out. Low oxygen, fat fuck.

Will MSNBC grow some balls

Someone get the man a tissue.

That's it??!

ABC is hammering home that Mexico is NOT paying for the wall.

So no Budd Dwyer moment for us? Sniff!

R150: Thanks! Switching back over

Will MSNBC have an official sniff count as well as a fact check??

Nancy should've worn a different color.

Chuck and Nancy look like Disney animitronic robots.

Here's Chuck and Nancy.... crossing my fingers that come off well

He truly, truly is way in over his head.

Yeah, I know, so said Captain Obvious, but it still astounds me that making a basic coherent, nuanced, cogent argument is not in his skill set.

Jesus, Schumer's head is enormous! It's obilierated his neck.

Oh, Christ, Pelosi and Schumer look like characters out of David Lynch. (And I hate, hate, hate Trump.)

Yay! FACTS from Pelosi

Go Nancy and Chuck, please keep it together

Seriously;y, they look very odd

Oh Jesus,

Chuck and Nancy look like the Adams family in that posture.

R163, Chuck and Nancy look like 2 sane people to me.

Nancy should have worn royal blue!

Nancy points out that Mexico was supposed to pay for it.

work that eyeshadow Nance

Oh thank god, chuck moved. I thought he was dead for a minute.

A few more flags might be nice.

Someone shoot some cocaine into Schumer's left eye

R153 I think he's still going to do the state of emergency stunt. He probably didn't go all in because he wanted to throw off Pelosi and Schumer who were expecting him to the state of emergency stunt.

Fank you.

They're crazy and they're kooky. Mysterious and spooky.

Make the case, motherfuckers.

Whoever told them that sharing a podium was a good idea, well, they were wrong.

"Thank you, Nancy."

lmfao.

Haha Chuck calls it a temper tantrum.

Go Chuck! "we don't govern by temper tantrum"

OH! Who did Miss Nancy's makeup?

Chiuck and Nancy are coming across like robot extras from a scene out of Buck Rogers.

American Gothic.

OMG Chuck and Nancy look like the American Gothic painting.

They're not fired up. Pity.

Will you sexists stop worrying about Nancy's makeup and outfit.

I kind of love chuck tonight

Seriously, this whole thing is absolutely surreal. Is this a Wes Anderson movie?

Is Nancy a robot?

"Separate the shut down from arguments for border security" yay Chuck

He's pointing out that there is a bipartisan bill to reopen the government.

Aren't there any stylists in D.C.?

This dual appearance was a mistake. Schumer reminds me of Criswell from Ed Wood.

Nancy should have insisted she appear alone.

Chuck is coming off better than Nancy

Way too funny, r188.

Chuck is good.

The Stepford Grandparents.

The first shot of Chuck and Nancy looked just like the Shining Twins.

Is Nancy trying to blink as many times as Trump sniffled?

Good points, but they should have had Beto do it.

Like most incompetent and ineffective leaders Trump leads through fear and intimidation.

Nancy’s lavender suit and caked on matching lavender makeup is just too much!

Both have cotton mouth. Ugh

^^true

This is actually the best I've ever seen Chuck.

"Mr. President reopen the government and we can work to resolve our differences over border security"

You can't even hear what he's saying because her face is so drag queen distracting.

Who is listening to these speeches? Is anyone hanging their mind? What a non-event.

That ending shot of them was creepy...they looked like lifeless robots

It's the side by side optics that are distracting.

Chuck should've stood to the side a bit while Nancy spoke then stepped up when his turn.

Someone must have finally told Trump his threat to use and executive order to build this stupid wall would not and could not work and would get him more trouble than he wanted.

What the fuck is wrong with her mouth? Fix yo teef’s old bitch!

Who, r212?

Schumer should have delivered solo. Mano a mano

I felt like it was couture, R207

No more andresses!

Lavender, r207?

Get a new TV.

It didn't change anything so it didn't help Trump or hurt Democrats.

Meant changing their mind, but hanging might work, too.

I love Nancy but Chuck would have been better off doing that speech alone

I think Trump took a big ol' toot before he went on camera. Sniff Sniff.

I see the Russians are here...don't worry, we saw the asshole for what he is, same as always.

I like the image of them both standing shoulder to shoulder in opposition to Trump. It suggests the Democrats in both houses are united in this. They look strong, even if their combined ages are about 160.

WTF was any of this about tonight?

Tonight reminds me of Croatian national TV just before the war broke out.

I don't think either side is changing anybody's minds. But at least tRump didn't call for a State of Emergency

Ursula Andress would have shut this shit down with a quickness

It's all posturing; I fucking hate politicians.

Nicolle Wallace is killing it.

Trump was robotic and even misread the teleprompter.

Both speeches were an absolute bore

R231: Not yet...

Thank you bitches, I'm not near a tv and you've covered this better for me than MSNBC ever could. Smooches! Hilarious.

Too bad neither Chuck nor Nancy can ad lib, because they could have pointed out that violence in America, particularly mass shootings, are by native-born citizens, usually White.

I don't think war is funny, r230, but your post made me giggle.

R231 Not yet but I think that's his end game. He floated the idea this week in the media to see what the public's response would be if he did it.

"That was some weird shit."

W

"is by..."

Her makeup looks better in stills and screen grabs. The eyebrows are tragic but in comparison to Trump looking dumb and scared, who cares?

I think Chuck and Nancy both needed to be there to make it crystal clear to the morons in the middle that Dems on both sides are reasonable and open to negotiate to reopen the govt and to get people pod and give people tax refunds. I missed it but did they point to the obvious fact that Dump had control of both houses for 2 years and couldn’t get his fucking wall.

Trump looked like shit, even worse than usual. Not one second of his remarks seemed authentic. Pelosi and Shumer were at least coherent.

Schumer reminded me of Reverend Kane from Poltergeist 2. He and Pelosi looked very ghoulish.

All 3 speeches were too over rehearsed and stiff. There was no passion or realness.

R222, Definitely pale lavender/taupe shade, not totally one or the other.

The Democrats have got to find new leaders. Pelosi and Schumer look near death.

My favorite Presidential speech of all time:

[quote] “There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

― George W. Bush

The most telling thing for me was ABC didn't even 2 offer any commentary when it ended. They went right into Blackish.

R249 I agree. They were awful.

R249, Modern Democratic pols eschew "passion."

Nothing burgers

It’s not the Real Housewives. They are elected officials dealing with a crisis. Focusing on their looks makes me think you can’t think.

r254 I wish This Is Us had a new episode this week, so many viewers would be pissed at tRump

Nicole is hilarious. "Trump wants Brian Kilmeads job."

Ooh gurl, Miss Nicolle Wallace just said "Dear Leader"

“Wealthy politicians build fences around their homes not because they hate who is on the outside, but because they love who is on the inside!”

I don't know if Nicolle has officially done an Ana Navarro and completely disengaged from the GOP, but if she hasn't, she's my favorite Republican now.

HOW YOU DOIN'!

I did not watch, I can not watch Trump at all. I said he was awful, because he is always awful.

Is his head CGIed onto his body????

I wish, r259. That whole spectacle was so bizarre that I wanted some one to explain it to me. Now I have an unexpected fireworks display happening at The Point. A truly strange night.

Did Trump really forget to say "God bless America"? That's a pretty big fuck up if so. I wonder what Pence thought about that. What a strange bore-fest (except for here of course).

This should teach the networks not to give this idiot any airtime.

Even speaking from the Oval Office he doesn't come across as Presidential. Just a rich man's son.

The Dems have r262, stop acting like they're as bad as the GOP.

Even Twitter's bored. That's saying something.

I listened to him on the radio. Seemed like there was no connection from one sentence to the next. Pelosi was really mumbling but at least made sense.

Rachel has interviewing alexandria ocasio-cortez

AOC on TRMS

Work that camera, gurl.

This wall thing is not going to end well for Trump.

AOC laying down the truth bombs

R276 what are you spouting? Both houses agreed to a budget package that actually FUNDED the wall, and Dump decided it wasn’t enough because Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh called him a chicken. HE went back on his word and is the sole reason for this crisis.

AOC is intense!

AOC could have a bright future if she behaves herself...she was great on Maddow.

“American Gothic” is trending on Twitter right now. (We weren’t the only ones who saw it.)

The memes are spot on and hilarious.

R276 - this. Anyone who has actually been following this knows that Dem and Repugs on both sides of the aisle compromised and came to a solution to keep government open and with a lot of $$ for increased border security and Dump was on board.

Dump backed out when Hannity, Coulter and Rush bullied him on tv and Twitter. Because he has no actual moral or political views and only cares To keep his kooky nutjob Deplorables on the Dump bus. Anyone objective and watching knows bag this is 100 percent on Dump.

HOT! and SPICY!

... American Gothic?!?

Honestly, is Santorum human?

R288. Technically. Souless. Like 99 percent of Rethugs.

R285, you're right but that's not what r276 was saying. I'm pretty sure r276 is a troll, with his "both sides suck" thing.

I don’t think it has dawned on any of you that almost all immigrants legal and illegal come into the country by commercial airlines. And that no terrorists rapists and criminals are pouring over the border. In fact, border crossings are at a 40 year low. The only crisis is the one the Trump administration created by separating families and caging children. Those are the true facts fellas. Is this what you expect Democrats to “compromise” on? Should we have left half the Japanese in American camps after the Second World War as a compromise.? Trump and his party are off the rails. Immigration reform does not include a wall to prevent undesirables from coming into our nation. Get a grip you guys and start paying attention to the truth. Our President is a corrupt amoral imbicile. Mueller and the NY State Attorney General are just getting started.

It’s not even about a wall. Trump and the Republicans don’t want to admit they lost Congress in November and can no longer unilaterally make decisions. Trump has even told people he does not want to look foolish if he has to back down. But Republicans will start to peel off from him in order to end the shutdown.

"How bad do the networks want their ad money back after that?"

R291. Last year, 4000 people were stopped at US airports for terrorist database review. From October 2017 to March 2018, six people were stopped due to terrorist database at the southern border. This is from US Customs and Border Protection.

Or ask anyone who was here on 9/11 how the terrorists got here. Mohammed Atta didn’t walk or drive here from Mexico.

This isn’t about crime or safety. It’s about a bunch of racist Deplorables wanting to keep brown people out of our country.

I've got the green acres theme stuck in my head now.

Dump sent an email to his cult members saying that he needs to raise $500K in one day for his Border Protection Fund. TODAY!!! Urgent!!! Keep America safe from rapists and terrorists!!!!

All money donated funneled to Trumps re-election campaign. And the Deplorables deserve it all.

Trump is urgently looking for a political win to sell to his base as he has become increasingly concerned about the Mueller report, the source added.

A separate source and adviser to Trump said the President has been receiving advice telling him he should declare that state of emergency so he has something to sell to his base. If it goes to the courts, Trump can say he tried.

No, R296.

But there are tens of thousands of dead people due to gun violence, and the GOP *REFUSES* to act on that. That seems to be a bit higher priority, imho.

Republicans also refuse to do anything about the homegrown right-wing neo-Nazi terrorists right here.

The problem isn't "out there".

The enemy is already inside the gates, and a wall won't help.

No shame. Gimmee that money, bitches is his motto.

Please, r296. If I were murdered I wouldn't be thinking about anything.

More illegal immigrants come in by plane, r296. Even Fox conceded that on Sunday.

R296 - I’m sure those 6 possible terrorists (many, many names on the database are erroneous or misspelled, many common names etc) killed someone every Deplorable knows. If even one had killed someone, you know Dump would have been out there tonight with the family and pictures of the kids.

The actual terrorists here are white men with guns. Thanks to the Repugs and NRA. Ask the Sandy Hook parents about domestic terrorists.

And more drugs come across the border at border crossings. They stop some but 90% of it gets by. The Wall wouldn't make a dent in it.

Wow, he looked really weak

He looked really FAT.

And he can barely read.

Wow...the grifter president came out in full force! Shocking that his supporters still don't know that Trump is a con man. He is just looking for cash.

Well, R296, if you were one of the 30,000 people each year killed by gun violence in the US, or the many thousands more who lost a loved one, you might care quite a lot about sensible gun control laws. Not saying you don't, but that's 10 times the number, each year, of people killed by terrorists on 9/11.

We've spent billions on anti-terrorism, have a whole lot of inconvenient barriers in place, but we just shrug off gun violence while our children and neighbors continue to die.

R296, except no one was murdered by those 6 you dunce and thousands have been murdered by Americans with rapid fire automatic weapons.

[quote] I dunno but I kinda think if you were murdered by one of those 6 terrorists, you might feel a teensy weensy bit differently about securing our borders.

R296 apparently you don't know that those 6 people were people who's travel or name cause border patrol to look into them more, it doesn't mean that they were terrorist who came here to kill you. It could be as simple as they have a name similar to someone on the terror watch list. Don't be so easily manipulated.

R296, those people’s names were on a watch list. That’s why they were stopped, not because they were actual terrorists.

I know someone whose husband was on the watchlist. He is not a terrorist. He never found out why he was on the list. He’s just some average guy.

This adviser put the stakes for Trump in very stark terms: If he doesn't get his wall, this adviser said, "it will absolutely be something that we have to deal with in the reelection." The adviser said Trump runs the risk of projecting weakness to his base should he fail in securing the funding for his wall. "At some point you're either a chief executive or not."

Chuck and Nancy: American Gothic meets The Walking Dead

There weren’t 6 terrorists caught at the border. There were 6 people on the Terrorist Watch List. (The administration was saying there were thousands but they were caught lying and admitted that most are found at airports.)

Cons constantly say the terrorist watch list is so general that it can’t be taken seriously and that’s why we shouldn’t ban them from buying guns

Faugh.

It's like I told my old dad last week: If Curtis, Isaac, and Annie Mae [our neighbors] refuse to pay for our new fence, I'm gonna REFUSE to pay our light bill, credit card, water bill, and cable. Dad's caregiver? FUCK ha --no more checks for that bitch! I WANT MY FENCE!

Yeah, that'll show 'em!

Pence sent out money raising appeals before and after the speech.

This was a speech to raise money for the campaign. Period

Sniff!

If the southern border were truly an emergency, he wouldn’t be using it to raise money

Will his base start realizing that he has lied about everything

I hope this means that the networks will never give Trump another free platform again.

R296 is a complete idiot. She has a very low IQ and I am very sure she is a White Supremacist.

Of course they will. Ratings will be yuge. That's all that matters.

If the fucking wall was an actual emergency, maybe he would have done it while he had control of the house and senate over the past two years. It wasn’t, it isn’t, he only cares because he got his ass kicked in the midterms and Mueller is closing in and he needs someone to support him and all he has are the moron wall freaks.

Nancy Pelosi, 10 mins ago:

Nancy Pelosi Verified account @TeamPelosi

The fact is: there are 800,000 workers who are suffering because of the #TrumpShutdown.

It's time Republicans stop playing games with people's lives -- and #EndTheShutdown now. This manufactured crisis is not something the people can afford.

They had complete control of the White House, the House and the Senate for two years. A border wall *was not* a priority. Republicans instead focused on giving wealthy people and big corporations nearly $2 trillion in tax cuts.

Trump and Republicans want to scare you. They want you to feel frightened and fall for their lies.

They did it days before the election, and they're doing it now because they know the People's House is going to hold them to account for their corruption

so it’s no longer a wall but a “physical barrier” made of steel or something

[quote]I dunno

And with lazy phrase you lost your argument.

Corruption. She said it.

R318. Never. His base is lost to reality. They are old and bitter or in their parents trailer wearing tin hats.

This country needs a large number of baby boomers to drop dead. Not my Trump hating parents, but all the old white folks watching Faux News and talking about the gold old days where the country was whiter. It would be best for the future of our nation.

[quote] Of course they will. Ratings will be yuge. That's all that matters.

Not sure if you have noticed or not, but the President never stops and says now a word from our sponsors.

If there is no advertising the ratings really don't matter.

Honey, I’d like to hit him in the head with a POT.

Can’t we get all our eighth graders to build a giant paper chain. That’ll be about as effective as the steel slats or wherever the dotard wants now..

Go Nancy! Shade!

Nancy is a Queen and I Love her but I wish she had worn a different color. I enjoyed the dem rebuttal more than the golden globes

Trump is going one of two ways. He will go nutso towards National Emergency or he will step back from now steel wall to strengthening existing walls, extending it, etc.

His grifter emails were simply disgusting, has any other president ever done something so low, in our White House? You doubt that Trump and Jared sold protection to Arab countries...these men are flat out criminals and Mitch McConnell is in the thick of it.

Someone on TV pointed out that since the shutdown, there has been almost no talk about Mattis quitting, very little talk about the Mueller investigation, the Khashoggi murder has completely gone away, it is deflecting from the stock market drop, from all the acting cabinet secretaries, nothing about the ballooning deficit, think that might be what Trump wants.

Why did he say Democrats insisted it be steel. That was a flat out lie, per usual but what was the purpose of that lie?

I cant wait for the leaked reports tomorrow morning about Trump going all Mommie Dearest on his staff after his speech. I'm sure he watched Chuck and Nancy and started screaming about NO COLLUSION and started throwing shit at Mick Mulvaney.

R336. I thought he did that to justify stepping back from the concrete wall Coulter’s been masturbating to.

The press lets him lead them around by their nose. I just want to hear about Mueller.

Miss Lindsey:

Susan Glasser Verified account @sbg1

'if we undercut the President, that's the end of his Presidency'--Lindsey Graham to Hannity, right now...

“Federal workers, you are going to get your back pay. I’m sorry, Ms Singh is not going to get her husband back.” @LindseyGrahamSC #TrumpAddress

Sen. Lindsey Graham on @FoxNews: “How many caravans have to rush the border before we believe we have a crisis?”

[quote]So it’s no longer a wall but a “physical barrier” made of steel or something

Dems need to keep hammering in - why would we pay for something Trump said Mexico would pay for? Why hurt Americans for something he always said Mexico would pay for? And Trump never promised that the US would pay for this - he made a campaign promise he can’t keep. He was lying to them then, anyone with two brain cells could see it, but it’s just another way to drive in the fact that this is entirely Trumps fault.

Except the Caravan was repelled, Miss Lindsey.

Oh Miss Lindz...

The only caravan is the one hustlers are pulling on Miss Lindsey's ass.

He is loathsome.

OMG! Lawrence O'Donnell found a 1924 KKK quote about building a wall. It sounds word for word like the rhetoric that Trump uses.

Lawrence is airing Beto's response to Donal Trump.

Is it just me or Beto is looking more brown as the days go by? He's turning Mexican .

"Why did he say Democrats insisted it be steel. "

Well, I'm very sorry. I was kidding about the steel - who knew he was listening to me?

Is Beto here legally?

You know he will want Betos birth certificate. And we STILL don’t have that fuckers tax returns.

It's time for Roberto to go home.

How long are Republicans willing to let this drag out? Does a plane need to crash? People starving? Are they going to go Cheney and create another crisis? It’s depressing that they enable a baby.

Trump looked defeated. Even he didn’t believe what he was saying

R355, on Brian WIlliams just now, it was reported that even tRump did not want to do the speech tonight. I think it was a Times reporter who brought it up.

[quote]Brian WIlliams just now, it was reported that even tRump did not want to do the speech tonight.

I heard that. I find that hard to believe. That line was fed to the press by the White House. The people in there are seeing the reviews and the reviews aren't pretty.

He seemed so weak and pathetic.

The fraud has been revealed

I thought Williams was saying that Dump didn’t want to make a trip to the border. Prob because he’s too fat and lazy.

Dump tweeting thanks for SOOOOO many complements on his speech.

He is beyond. Fucking die.

OMG - James Carville just said he was more excited about a colonoscopy than tRump was in giving his speech.

Trump sounds like a doped up mess.

I know people are fucking retarded, but will anybody listen to this bullshit?

Steve Schmidt’s “where are the pesos for the wall?” Is killing me.

Trump saying the speech was a “very interesting experience”? WTF? Does he even know what he is doing?

I wish the white hose chef would shit in the soup they get served. They all need to die painfully, while vomiting, and gasping for breath.

"Steve Schmidt’s “where are the pesos for the wall?” Is killing me. "

Somebody needs to make a "Show Me The Pesos" hat.

The networks got played. No news on shut down, no real crisis, no emergency declaration, no plan for moving forward. It was a weird Trump moment, something his minority fans would like but that’s it. I think polling will show even less support for the Wall after the speech.

Rick Wilson's take

I thought Pelosi/Shumer's response was a breath of fresh air. Indeed, they were ON POINT today! SEND, yes send that meme out there! It's the Pigs that are solely responsible for the present and soon to be future PAIN, voters of America. Dump: "...and MEXICO WILL PAY FOR THE WALL!". I'm so glad they pounded that point thru. You can't rely on MSM to tell the truth, so Dems need to grandstand right along with Fata$$.

Let's have Cummings start an investigation into Trump's transition team. Where did all the inauguration donations go? $25M to Melanoma??. Don't wait for Mueller, by the time he's done it will all be irrelevant because the House investigations/subpoenas will reveal enough to get FatOrangA$$ out of office!

R371, fuck you for being such a transparent troll.

Tell the heartland Repug voters that they got screwed! Dems, tell them that Russia is now trading with China for soybeans and poultry. A win-win for Fata$$ and Russia, while the American farmer's assess are grass! Literally!

....oh, also, because of this shutdown, their foodstamps might be canceled, their tax refunds may be late and that handout that Dump promised them to compensate for the Chinese tariffs are in jeopardy because the House holds all the purse strings. Just a little inconvenience for true Patriots, correct?

DEMS Pelosi and Shumer, please TELL THEM! Grab that fucking microphone! Don't let up. This is what Dems winning looks like!

R371, the finished wall would actually cost over $100 billion, not $5 billion like Trump claims. Got any pocket change?

Animals that live in the desert would not be able to get to their current water supplies and would die in great numbers.

Eminent domain, which means the government would have to seize land from private owners that in many cases have owned it for generations. The people would get little or nothing. If they fight it, they get nothing.

I personally lived through this and it’s horrible. You get sued, you have to go to court, you’re fighting a huge corporation, in my case, or the government, and can never possibly win. People that own land for generation are land poor, they can’t afford lawyers for years. And they’d lose. In my case, our family owned the land over a hundred years and that meant nothing. They just took it.

Farmers and ranchers are not rich, they’re barely squeaking by in most cases. Their livelihood could be gone forever. If your plot of land is reduced by a certain amount, it’s very hard to get a loan as you can’t farm for profit if it’s too small. And if you were trying to build condos or houses, there’s zoning that requires X number of square feet per home, so if it’s reduced too much, it can’t be used for tract homes or apartments. Farms require a certain amount of grazing space for each animal or crop, so too much reduction means the remainder is now completely worthless. No one will buy it if they can’t fit anything on it either. And no one wants to live by a giant eyesore either.

And then there’s the recent efforts to spoil or remove water supplies that have been in the desert for decades, to discourage immigrants. Dehydration causes deaths of both humans and animals. Many animals must be suffering and dying out there.

From Rick Wilson's Daily Beast article, "President Veruca Salt demanded his wall and bet his most fundamental campaign promise on it."

How many will get that reference! I love Rick Wilson!

To go with R375

R371, are you retarded? Were you dropped on your head as a child? Is your IQ above room temperature? What the fuck is wrong with you that you even think that's a valid question to ask? Just how stupid are you?

Rick Wilson is the bitchiest straight guy alive.

I live in San Diego. I can see the terrorists walking up the street right now. Save us, Trump. Save us.

From Rick Wilson writing in The Daily Beast:

"He said it tonight; the idea of a glorious concrete wall from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico is deader than that lemur he glues on his head every morning."

R380 Wilson also compared Trump to Verushka Salt from Willie Wonka.... LOVE him for that!

r347

sounds about right. fred dump attended rallies up north

Dump = stupid fuck face.

[quote] What is so wrong with a wall to keep out undesirables that have no right to be here?

R371 If the wall is so important, why didn't Trump and the Republicans do it sometime during the first two years when Republicans were in control of EVERYTHING. Why didn't they attach the wall to the tax cut bill? Why didn't Trump declare it a National Emergency? Why didn't Mitch McConnell change the rules in the Senate so they could pass it with 50 votes like they did with Supreme Court Justices? If the present fence is so ineffective, why did the caravan go to an official border crossing instead of some week spot in the wall where they could just cross right into the US?

R371 at some point in your life you need to start thinking for yourself instead of being manipulated by talking points. A wall isn't going to work, people and drugs will go over it , under it (tunnels), or around it (travel to the US on VISA's and overstay). It is cost prohibitive, $5 billion is a drop in the bucket of what it will take. Come on R371 start being smart instead of being a sheep.

[quote][R371] If the wall is so important, why didn't Trump and the Republicans do it sometime during the first two years when Republicans were in control of EVERYTHING.

I want nothing more than the entire current admin in prison, but this argument doesn’t work, does it? We could have just filibustered in the senate if there were $5BN in wallbucks.

R385 - if it was an actual emergency, they would have at least tried. We would have gone through this whole charade two years ago. Instead, they focused on tax breaks for billionaires.

R385, there’s been a lot of criticism the last few days about why didn’t they do this when they had a majority in the house. It’s an argument that’s been used for “why this isn’t really an emergency.”

Some pundit brought up a very good point this morning. On Xmas morning, Border Patrol released over 500 immigrants willy nilly in EL Paso without any instructions, many of them without their ankle bracelets. No follow up plans. If these guys are so dangerous, why are they doing this?

Good question R388.

Isn’t Trump taking advice from Hannity and Giuliani? We are doomed.

Ok, r386 and r387, it's more of a "why didn't they focus on this?" situation. I see now. The way some of my fellow progressive commentators were putting it, it sounded like they thought that the congress could have actually PASSED it if they wanted it badly enough, and I thought I was missing something in the congressional rules.

Chuck and Nancy got more viewers than Trump got. No wonder Trump is in such a foul mood today.

It was a big nothing. Nobody is even talking about this today.

[quote] I want nothing more than the entire current admin in prison, but this argument doesn’t work, does it? We could have just filibustered in the senate if there were $5BN in wallbucks.

R385 When the Republicans wanted something they considered really important, approval of their Supreme Court Justices they changed the rules in the Senate to make approval by a simple majority instead of the 60 vote rule, that is how they got Gorsuch and Kavanaugh approved. If they had considered a border wall, a national emergency that a border wall would fix, they could have changed the rules just as they did for Supreme Court Justices. Trump wanted them to change the rules, Republicans in Senate refused. Apparently they didn't consider it that important then, just now. So they could have done it the first two years, they chose not to. It simply wasn't that important to them.

[quote] R393: It was a big nothing. Nobody is even talking about this today.

Of course it’s important. And please leave your ignorant acquaintances out of it.

I do predict that SNL will have something that looks like this Saturday night.

Trump walking out of a meeting purely for show says it all. I hope an anvil falls on his head.

[quote]If they had considered a border wall, a national emergency that a border wall would fix, they could have changed the rules just as they did for Supreme Court Justices.

What I'm learning through this whole process is how much our system depends upon honor and honesty. For me, the Republicans of today have neither. It's all about winning and getting what they want. Now, before any Republican screams that Harry Reid started this type of mess, please remember that he resorted to the nuclear option because Republicans were not approving ANY nominees brought forth by the Obama Administration. The Republicans proactively tried to sabotage the Obama Administration. Anyway, this is Mitch McConnell's payback.

But, the question is a larger one. What are we to do when there is a President (like Trump) who simply will not live by a code of honor and honesty? And, then on top of that have their party that support them (today's Republicans)?

R398, and a President who is shameless.

This all seems like a sham so he can declare a national emergency, just like Hannity has been advising him to do.

R398, I keep going back to making public tax returns for pResidents/pResidential candidates as one way to help demonstrate honesty and integrity.

And, that's why the Democrats have introduced legislation which will make it a law that Presidential candidates MUST provide 10 years of tax returns. But, look how honorable (both Democrat and Republican) of the past adhered to that honor code by providing that material. Trump is simply refusing to provide his taxes. So, this is just one example of the many "honor codes" of which Trump has broken and has had the support of the Republican party in doing so.

Republicans MADE President Carter sell his peanut farm because they considered it a conflict of interests. Yet, Trump has a hotel that is walking distance from the White House of which foreign countries are specifically using in order to gain favor with him and today's Republicans say nothing. In fact, they rent ball rooms, rooms, and support his bars!

If Trump declares a national emergency does it have any impact on the shutdown? They still have to pass a bill right to fund the government? Nothing that he is doing makes any sense.