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Beto O'Rourke is the new Obama. And that's the last thing we need

Betomania has befallen Washington elites: Democratic pundits, political operatives and influencers are having a collective swoon over Democratic representative Beto O’Rourke. He is fresh off a failed Senate run, where he generated internet fame for his skateboarding, musicianship and sunny disposition. Now, he is Washington’s version of Elvis Presley on Ed Sullivan, only the screaming teeny-boppers are Beltway politicos: one rainmaker touted him as “Obama, but white”, a Wall Street-funded group called Third Way declared that “we are big Beto fans” and a former Obama aide penned an entire love letter touting O’Rourke 2020, without even once mentioning where the Texas congressman stands on a single legislative issue.

Perhaps the fuzziness around O’Rourke’s political positions isn’t a mistake. Maybe it is designed to obscure facts about his record that may prove to be inconvenient in a Democratic primary. After all, this is a lawmaker who abruptly backed off unequivocally supporting Medicare for All, aligned himself with the party’s Wall Street faction, voted to gut financial regulations, supported Republican-crafted tax cuts, boosted the fossil fuel industry – and then broke his own pledge to reject donations from oil and gas executives.

[bold]A liberal heartthrob who votes with Republicans[/bold]

The 46-year-old O’Rourke has racked up a voting record helping Republicans ram parts of their agenda through the Congress. In an era of growing economic inequality, O’Rourke has split with the majority of his party to vote for Republican initiatives to weaken Wall Street regulations and accelerate bank mergers – and he once voted for a Republican bill that Democratic legislators said was designed to block the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau’s from combatting racially discriminatory lending. He also voted for a key part of Donald Trump’s so-called deportation force.

Meanwhile, despite the imminent climate catastrophe facing our planet, O’Rourke has often taken the side of carbon polluters. He has repeatedly voted to help the fossil fuel industry increase its exports. He even helped the GOP defeat a Democratic measure designed to limit the possibility of offshore oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. (For more, click here to read a story I wrote this week about Beto’s voting record.)

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[bold]Why another Obama would be a tragedy[/bold]

Replicating an Obama presidency would be better than what we have now. But it would still be a tragedy. That’s because the fundamental premise of Obamaism - and its predecessor, Clintonism – is that there is always a policy that can at once serve the people and the powerful. And recent history has showed that is both false and dangerous.

The fantastical mythology of a satisfactory “third way” between the corporate class and the rest of us posits that the Democratic party’s insurance industry backers can be enriched and healthcare policy can still be humane; its Wall Street sponsors can eviscerate industries and workers can still earn enough to survive; and its fossil fuel donors can keep pumping out carbon and the ecosystem can still sustain human life.

The alluring idea is that we never actually have to answer that haunting question of labor lore: “Which side are you on?” Obamaism leads us to believe that we do not need to choose, and that we can actually have it all – as long as we always make sure to line up behind policies that appease the super-wealthy.

It is, in other words, the ideology undergirding the argument recently put forward by former vice-president, Joe Biden, who insisted: “I don’t think 500 billionaires are the reason why we’re in trouble … the folks at the top aren’t bad guys.”

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by Anonymousreply 83December 27, 2018 2:31 PM

It was inevitable that the bloom would start to come off the Beto rose. Better now than in two years.

by Anonymousreply 1December 25, 2018 3:46 PM

The writer of the piece used to work for Bernie and got his ass busted a few weeks ago for lying about Beto’s contributions.

by Anonymousreply 2December 25, 2018 4:10 PM

Yup. David Sirota is a douche. And the Berniebots fear Beto. They are making it their mission to tear him down.

by Anonymousreply 3December 25, 2018 4:13 PM

The most recent poll has Trump beating Beto in 2020 but losing to nearly any other Dem candidate.

The end

by Anonymousreply 4December 25, 2018 4:15 PM

Fighting inequality? He just so happened to marry the daughter of a real estate mogul worth about $500 million. Certainly not fighting in the trenches.

by Anonymousreply 5December 25, 2018 4:20 PM

R4, any polls now are meaningless.

by Anonymousreply 6December 25, 2018 4:22 PM

The Bernie Bros are scared of Beto. What's worse is that when Sanders does not win the nomination in 2020, just like he didn't win it in 2016, then the BBs will go after whoever is the Democratic nominee again, whether it's Biden, Beto, Harris, etc. Worse yet, Sanders won't stop them.

by Anonymousreply 7December 25, 2018 4:26 PM

Perhaps r6, but the idea that Trump could beat anyone in the polls is chilling.

by Anonymousreply 8December 25, 2018 4:27 PM

So cute watching people fall over themselves for this guy. And the race hasn’t even begun! My sense is he’ll put his hat in the ring in hopes of landing VP or run for the other TX senate seat.

by Anonymousreply 9December 25, 2018 4:27 PM

We don’t need another Democrat who’s willing to compromise his/her beliefs and stances to attract Republicans. Republicans seldom if ever do that for us.

by Anonymousreply 10December 25, 2018 4:28 PM

R10, you’re right, but no need to begin attacks on Beto now. This is going to backfire.

by Anonymousreply 11December 25, 2018 4:33 PM

I hope I'm wrong on this, but I fear that Beto will run a vague "hope and change" campaign instead of taking clear positions. His senate campaign ads were certainly like that. With Trump in office I think the message needs to be stronger and more blunt.

by Anonymousreply 12December 25, 2018 4:43 PM

[quote]We don’t need another Democrat who’s willing to compromise his/her beliefs and stances to attract Republicans.

Actually, we do sort of need that, but as a senator from Texas, NOT as president. It would be nice to see him run against John Cornyn in two years.

But I've been surprised at how many of his gung-ho supporters seem indifferent to his actual policy positions.

by Anonymousreply 13December 25, 2018 5:05 PM

It's the same way we ignored a few of Obama's, R13.

And it's not the Republicans we need to court, it's the Independents.

I look forward to getting behind whoever is the nominee in 2020 and kicking some Republican ass. I don't care who it is, frankly, I just want those assholes gone.

by Anonymousreply 14December 25, 2018 5:11 PM

[QUOTE]Yup. David Sirota is a douche. And the Berniebots fear Beto. They are making it their mission to tear him down.

Can you actually refute anything he said?

by Anonymousreply 15December 25, 2018 5:17 PM

OP,

[bold]Beto is already better than Obama.[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 16December 25, 2018 5:23 PM

We can not nominate another white guy. We've come too far for that now.

by Anonymousreply 17December 25, 2018 5:25 PM

Too soon for polls b/c of name recognition. I just want Trump gone and will gleefully support whomever the nominee is (except Bernie).

by Anonymousreply 18December 25, 2018 5:34 PM

We don’t need another Obama. Obama acted like a moderate republican and he was still called a socialist.

We need a socialist— but not one that’s a million years old

by Anonymousreply 19December 25, 2018 5:34 PM

Beto is a state legislator. No one goes from state legislator to President of the US without a few jobs in the middle

by Anonymousreply 20December 25, 2018 5:35 PM

Obama won the presidency twice, and by big margins each time. Another Obama would be a blessing.

Winning is everything in politics.

by Anonymousreply 21December 25, 2018 5:36 PM

Oh dear r20, adults are talking. Maybe learn basic facts before participating in the discussion.

by Anonymousreply 22December 25, 2018 5:37 PM

R20, Actually, he is a U.S. Representative, finishing up his current term as we speak.

by Anonymousreply 23December 25, 2018 5:37 PM

R21 is right. It is imperative to get rid of Trump.

by Anonymousreply 24December 25, 2018 5:40 PM

[quote]We can not nominate another white guy.

Don't be a racist, asshole. Or a racist asshole.

by Anonymousreply 25December 25, 2018 5:40 PM

[quote]I just want Trump gone and will gleefully support whomever the nominee is (except Bernie).

"Whoever," dear.

by Anonymousreply 26December 25, 2018 5:41 PM

[quote] No one goes from state legislator to President of the US without a few jobs in the middle

Also, no one goes from real estate mogul to POTUS. Oh, wait...

by Anonymousreply 27December 25, 2018 5:45 PM

NEVER again will I give a vote or the benefit of the doubt to any Republican. I voted for Bill Weld, ages ago, and look what his own party did to him when he was nominated by Obama to be the ambassador to China. If they will do this to their own, it proves they cannot be trusted.

They don't deserve a damn thing, and I remember that situation every time I look at a moderate Republican running in New England, where there's a strong tradition of electoral balance. That ended this year. I look forward to their complete collapse.

I will be voting a straight Democratic ticket from now on and I don't give a damn how centrist or progressive they are.

by Anonymousreply 28December 25, 2018 5:47 PM

I have never voted for a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 29December 25, 2018 5:49 PM

Progressives are part of a party, not the whole part, and not a faction that represents a majority or even a significant plurality. Their my-way-or-the-highway delusion that they call the shots is a joke.

by Anonymousreply 30December 25, 2018 5:56 PM

We need two parties, democrats and progressive, in an electoral alliance. Yeah yeah, figure it out.

by Anonymousreply 31December 25, 2018 6:08 PM

Give it a fucking rest OP. I attacked the Meghan Marble troll for making a new thread every day and you are no better. I will soon be FFing. Keep it to one thread

by Anonymousreply 32December 25, 2018 6:12 PM

R21: No, Winning is NOT everything. Policy matters. It affects your life and mine and everyone in the damn country. By your logic, we should nominate a right winger who can be beat Trump. Sorry, I can't get for that, no can do.

by Anonymousreply 33December 25, 2018 6:17 PM

David Sirota is a bought and paid Russian whore.

One hopes the Guardian would point that out, but no.

by Anonymousreply 34December 25, 2018 6:22 PM

None of their policy positions matter if they can't win dear r33.

We need another Bill Clinton/Barack Obama, someone who is a charismatic campaigner.

by Anonymousreply 35December 25, 2018 6:24 PM

And twitter dragged him hard when it was discovered he lied. Good times.

by Anonymousreply 36December 25, 2018 6:24 PM

R35: Bill Clinton put in place policies that lead to the Great Recession, DEAR. He is a very bad example to bring up. Policy matters and that is how I will vote in the primary.

by Anonymousreply 37December 25, 2018 6:27 PM

That's what primaries are for. Regardless of who wins the nomination, I'll be voting for the Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 38December 25, 2018 6:30 PM

The first Dem 2020 primary is scheduled for June next year.

by Anonymousreply 39December 25, 2018 6:30 PM

So the GOP winning the Presidency for those 8 years would have been better r37? Okay then...

by Anonymousreply 40December 25, 2018 6:30 PM

[quote] Bill Clinton put in place policies that lead to the Great Recession...

Republican talking point. Troll.

by Anonymousreply 41December 25, 2018 6:31 PM

No, he's not a troll, R41, but you are for shilling that shit. An honest assessment of what Mr. Bill did while in office would lead anyone to the same conclusion.

by Anonymousreply 42December 25, 2018 6:33 PM

R35 I will never vote based on "charisma". You don't hear the Republicans going on about the "charisma" of their candidates. Why are Democrats so stuck on the notion?

by Anonymousreply 43December 25, 2018 6:34 PM

R40: Cut the crap. This stupid notion that we MUST support any piece of shit with a D after their name or else you want the Republicans to win is asinine. We are free to criticize the people who lead us, including adherents of our own party. If you can't deal with that, that's your problem, BABE.

R41: No. Reality. Clinton signed the Republican Congress' deregulation of banking in the late 90s. He didn't veto it, didn't even fight it. He was for it. Clinton was NOT this fucking grand savior he is made out to be. And it is not talking points to put this out.

by Anonymousreply 44December 25, 2018 6:35 PM

You don't have to, R43. Just vote the ticket. Charisma attracts voters....it's that simple, really.

by Anonymousreply 45December 25, 2018 6:36 PM

Clinton was behind the Fed's interest rates in the 2000s?

Clinton overrode laws against predatory lending in 2004?

Clinton was behind the CRA in 1977?

Clinton had anything to do with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, which are, like the Fed, not controlled by the federal government?

Amazing powers that Clinton had.

by Anonymousreply 46December 25, 2018 6:40 PM

Politics is the art of the possible. Clinton did what he could in the situation he inherited. He did not even have the support of his own party stalwarts.

Obama came as Clinton-lite count with a full mandate and everything in hand.

An Obama-lite is not what we need. We need the Dp to recapture its base.

by Anonymousreply 47December 25, 2018 6:42 PM

Can you clarify what you mean by saying Obama was a Clinton-lite, r47? He did not triangulate against his base, he passed health care, he killed bin Laden, he turned around a disastrous economy, he got elected twice with a majority of the votes, and he had virtually no scandals. That’s just a start, but Clinton can claim none of these.

by Anonymousreply 48December 25, 2018 6:48 PM

It’s juat the anti-Clinton troll again. Ignore her.

by Anonymousreply 49December 25, 2018 6:53 PM

It's Hillary's turn, you guys. 2020, third time's the charm.

by Anonymousreply 50December 25, 2018 7:01 PM

No, thank you, R50. Not interested. If for some crazy reason she wins the nomination I'll vote for her, but I do not want her to run. She's too much of a lightning rod for the horrible people in this country who can't handle a woman being President. She doesn't know how to reconcile her own party members and called Bernie supporters "basement dwellers." We do not need this at this time in our history. We need to come together and work hard to fix what this current administration has destroyed.

I don't think she has what it takes to lead, and I'm not the only one.

by Anonymousreply 51December 25, 2018 7:15 PM

[quote]We need two parties, democrats and progressive, in an electoral alliance.

This has been a disaster in Canada, because the New Democrats and the Liberals have split the progressive vote and as a result the creep conservative Stephen Harper was Prime Minister forever.

And frankly, given how the Bernie people attack and are attacked, it doesn't seem plausible here either.

by Anonymousreply 52December 25, 2018 7:17 PM

[quote]Give it a fucking rest OP. I attacked the Meghan Marble troll for making a new thread every day and you are no better. I will soon be FFing. Keep it to one thread

Based on his posting history OP is a BernieBot, so don't expect him to cease the attacks any time soon.

by Anonymousreply 53December 25, 2018 7:25 PM

[quote]No, thank you, [R50]. Not interested.

Isn't it clear that R50 is trolling? Just like anyone here who writes "Hillary2020". We all know she's not running.

by Anonymousreply 54December 25, 2018 7:27 PM

[quote]She ... called Bernie supporters "basement dwellers."

Actually, this is what she said, if you care about context at all.

[quote]CLINTON: It is important to recognize what’s going on in this election. Everybody who’s ever been in an election that I’m aware of is quite bewildered because there is a strain of, on the one hand, the kind of populist, nationalist, xenophobic, discriminatory kind of approach that we hear too much of from the Republican candidates. And on the other side, there’s just a deep desire to believe that we can have free college, free healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don’t know what that means, but it’s something that they deeply feel. So as a friend of mine said the other day, I am occupying from the center-left to the center-right. And I don’t have much company there. Because it is difficult when you’re running to be president, and you understand how hard the job is — I don’t want to overpromise. I don’t want to tell people things that I know we cannot do.

[quote]Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement. They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future. I met with a group of young black millennials today and you know one of the young women said, “You know, none of us feel that we have the job that we should have gotten out of college. And we don’t believe the job market is going to give us much of a chance.” So that is a mindset that is really affecting their politics. And so if you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing. So I think we should all be really understanding of that and should try to do the best we can not to be, you know, a wet blanket on idealism. We want people to be idealistic. We want them to set big goals. But to take what we can achieve now and try to present them as bigger goals.

[quote]She doesn't know how to reconcile her own party members

The biggest damage to the Democratic party in the past two years has been done by Sanders. What has Sanders done to reach out to minorities, women, LGBT community, centrist Democrats?

by Anonymousreply 55December 25, 2018 7:32 PM

Judging by troll reaction, Beto looks like a sure thing. Lightweights don't warrant such a hardcore, negative push back.

by Anonymousreply 56December 25, 2018 7:33 PM

Agreed

by Anonymousreply 57December 25, 2018 7:40 PM

Thank you for posting that r55

by Anonymousreply 58December 25, 2018 7:40 PM

Except they took my comment out of context, R58, and put it below some jibberish that someone else posted. Those were not my words and if you're going to do that, attribute it. R55 is a divisive troll, the Sanders vs.Hillary nonsense is now a part of this country's history, and we all need to move forward, together, to beat these assholes back down into the swamp they crawled out of.

Fighting over what happened gets you where? What is the point of bringing that nonsense up again? Figure it out for yourself.

by Anonymousreply 59December 25, 2018 7:47 PM

R59: AMEN.

R55: No outreach needed as he has always been on the side of those groups and they him. This sad little attempt by some of you to pretend he hates black people and gays and women is just sick, it really is. And all because his opponent was a women in 2016, you've concocted this myth that he hates everyone non-white and male. Give it up already. No one believes it.

by Anonymousreply 60December 25, 2018 8:00 PM

R48. Clinton moved the party to the right. Obama moved it even further right.

by Anonymousreply 61December 25, 2018 8:20 PM

[quote][R55]: No outreach needed as he has always been on the side of those groups and they him.

There is something called primary results in 2016. You may want to look into that. It'll give you a realistic view of Sanders and the groups I mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 62December 25, 2018 8:24 PM

[quote] Except they took my comment out of context, [R58], and put it below some jibberish that someone else posted.

I quoted form your post at R51. I did not add anything.

You said this:

[quote]She doesn't know how to reconcile her own party members and called Bernie supporters "basement dwellers."

by Anonymousreply 63December 25, 2018 8:26 PM

We don't need a new Obama or another Clinton. We need to move on from both those names/faces.

They were exactly what's wrong with the Democratic Party. America is sick of them. But of course, the Obamas and/or the Clintons will be keynote speakers/guests at the 2020 DNC Convention

by Anonymousreply 64December 25, 2018 8:32 PM

[quote] They were exactly what's wrong with the Democratic Party. America is sick of them.

Yeah, people just hate those Obamas. Sick, sick, sick of them.

Or...you are completely full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 65December 25, 2018 8:35 PM

Michelle Obama had the best selling book of 2018 and a sold out book tour.

The Obamas are incredibly popular. Barack could have won a third term if it has been allowed.

by Anonymousreply 66December 25, 2018 8:52 PM

#NoMoreRussianCollaborators

by Anonymousreply 67December 25, 2018 9:04 PM

The distressing thing is that some Sanders voters (not many, but enough to ruin another presidential election) would rather see tRump win a second term, than Biden, Harris, Beto... win their first one.

by Anonymousreply 68December 25, 2018 9:09 PM

Agreed R68

by Anonymousreply 69December 25, 2018 9:16 PM

Russia's tactic in 2020 will obviously be to split the Democratic vote and perhaps finance a third-party run. Lots of rubles flowing into Bernie's coffers, no doubt.

by Anonymousreply 70December 25, 2018 9:30 PM

Obama was Clinton-lite.

Beto has the potential to be better than Obama, I am not sure we will ever see another Clinton in our generation. But anything close to the 90s would be ideal.

by Anonymousreply 71December 25, 2018 9:46 PM

R70: Yeah, that's why he ran a third party campaign in 2016...oh no, wait, he didn't, he endorsed Hillary Rodham and campaigned for her. And 90% of his supporters, including this one right here, voted for her. More than the 75% of her supporters that voted Obama in 2008 (the other rotten 25% voted for McCain). So shut the fuck up, you divisive troll. Not a thing you say is true. You want it to be, but it ain't.

by Anonymousreply 72December 26, 2018 3:38 AM

Some interesting couple of facts about those NBC journalists who wrote about "Sanders' supporters" waging a "war" on Beto:

[quote]For the last week, folks accused me of being a political operative & not a “real” journalist because I worked for Bernie 19 yrs ago. Yet, much more recently, NBC’s @jonallendc was a Wasserman Schultz staffer & @aseitzwald was a CAP staffer. They haven’t faced the same accusation.

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by Anonymousreply 73December 27, 2018 1:53 PM
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by Anonymousreply 74December 27, 2018 1:53 PM

Actually, R59, you're the divisive troll, as you did indeed say HRC called Sanders supporters "basement dwellers." She didn't. As was quoted, she said some people in that age cohort were having to live in their parents' basements, and that was something she wanted to fix.

by Anonymousreply 75December 27, 2018 2:04 PM

Interesting -- the guy just redtagged is also the OP.

by Anonymousreply 76December 27, 2018 2:05 PM

OMG OP/r73/r74 is Glenn Greenwald!

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by Anonymousreply 77December 27, 2018 2:09 PM

I wouldn't even be surprised anymore.

by Anonymousreply 78December 27, 2018 2:10 PM

[quote]OMG OP/[R73]/[R74] is Glenn Greenwald!

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by Anonymousreply 79December 27, 2018 2:12 PM

I mean Greenwald is gay. It isn't out of the realm of possibility he is on this site

by Anonymousreply 80December 27, 2018 2:16 PM

The link Muriel is trying to censor:

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by Anonymousreply 81December 27, 2018 2:20 PM

What is the voter needs is real choice. Not dynasties, geezers, and deified mere mortals.

by Anonymousreply 82December 27, 2018 2:23 PM

^^^^^ like that

It's not US posters using VPNSs. It's foreign operatives.

in 2016 several IP blocks were well known to us - brazil, Israel, czech republic, italy, netherlands - over and over and over the same pattern. Divide the US left. And you all fall for it EVERY TIME.

I'm sick of chasing this, I don't have the bandwidth or the resources. Stop falling for it. If the thread is about dividing the left FF it into oblivion. It's on you to recognize the obvious manipulation.

by Anonymousreply 83December 27, 2018 2:31 PM
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