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Lou Reed Biography by Anthony DeCurtis

Just finished reading this. A great read, not fawning, balanced, with fantastic analysis of his albums and songs.

The last section about Lou and Laurie Anderson, and her handling of his death, is lovely too.

I know he wasn't perfect (yes, he abused his partners), but such an interesting life and read.

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by Anonymousreply 20405/24/2020

Overrated for sure. And such a nasty and mean person. A user. Nothing sexual about him. He'd want to see you naked so he could recite your body flaws back to you. He had some real problems with Phil Spector, probably jealousy

by Anonymousreply 112/23/2018

An interesting figure appearing at an interesting time.

I like some of the Velvet Underground, and I like some of his solo work, but I've never really understood how he cast such a long shadow in pop music with such a hit-n-miss and largely uncommercial career. Sure, he was an original, but I think a lot of it was just the convergence of "coolness" with the explosion of (incredibly self-indulgent) rock journalism. He was not David Bowie, ultimately.

And make no mistake, he could be quite an asshole at times. Laurie made a better man of him.

by Anonymousreply 212/23/2018

He had a really rough adolescence. Not that that excuses later bad behavior, but it does tend to create lasting problems. I'm glad he had a good relationship with Anderson. I like a lot of his music, but it's awfully sad.

I read a good biography of Warren Zevon a few years ago, which turned out to be depressing because I hadn't known he could be such a jerk. The Reed one sounds interesting too; thanks for posting.

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by Anonymousreply 312/23/2018

We had a poster who used to start threads about biographies he was reading and he'd post quotes from them. I wonder what happened to him.

Anything worth reporting from the book, OP?

by Anonymousreply 412/23/2018

There's a funny Honda Scooter commercial Reed did in 1985 talked about in the book, worth seeing. If it was a motorbike advert, it would make sense, but seeing Reed on a red scooter looking 'tough' is funny.

There is a good mention of Reed's electroshock treatment as a young man, that makes you think of him in a different way.

There was an interesting take on the Rachel days. Does anyone know what happened to Rachel? Did she just disappear?

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by Anonymousreply 512/23/2018

Is he the tranny chaser?

by Anonymousreply 612/23/2018

I think there was a genuine connection with Rachel, beyond the 'shock' of being seen out and about with her. They had a relationship, living together, for several years. It is safe to say she wasn't there for novelty factor.

I think Lou liked who he liked, probably bi, put more interested in relationships with women (or those that presented as female), as the biographer suggested.

It was interesting to read that Lou was into Tai Chi.

by Anonymousreply 712/23/2018

...so a tranny chaser then lmao.

by Anonymousreply 812/23/2018

[quote]I've never really understood how he cast such a long shadow in pop music with such a hit-n-miss and largely uncommercial career. Sure, he was an original, but I think a lot of it was just the convergence of "coolness" with the explosion of (incredibly self-indulgent) rock journalism.

Well said. I think there are a number of musical figures from the sixties and seventies just like this, whose reputations seem so disproportionate to their actual careers. Patti Smith comes to mind.

by Anonymousreply 912/23/2018

His legacy, as I took it from the book, was he was a key component to a highly influential band, that is, the Velvet Underground, proto-alt.rock, then was 'a band's band' that influenced countless; his Metal Machine album was proto-industrial rock, and in general he influenced garage rock, metal; he bought society's underground to the masses with Transformers; he was highly original and, whilst chasing commercial success to some extent, was also committed to developing his sound through the years and not following trends.

by Anonymousreply 1012/23/2018

Lou and Rachel had a 'marriage ceremony'. He refers to her in Coney Island baby (one of his best songs in my opinion) hough apoarently he often referred to Rachel as male. R5 thinkthey just split up, Lou was probably violent likehe was with others. Rachel died years ago.

by Anonymousreply 1112/23/2018

Patti Smith's career is fairly lightweight compared to her standing, I do agree with that.

Yes, Horses is amazing, but she tends to fixate on name dropping and believing she is just like the poets and writers. Gloria is a smart cover, but a cover, nonetheless. All the songs are co-works with others. She's not really a songwriter, maybe a lyricist? She is a lot of spin, and trades off her associations with Mapplethorpe, Fred 'Sonic' Smith, William Burroughs et al. She's someone that is constantly looking to the past, rather then then the now or future possibilities, which seems pretty anti-rock and anti-punk in that it doesn't shake things up for the sake of progression.

She does have talent, beyond mythologising, and I wish she would focus more on developing her work rather than traveling around and writing about the poets and writers she likes, such as Rimbaud and Camus.

Let her work stand for itself, instead of trying to insert herself into cultural history by association. It does seem anti-feminist, really.

I do love this song, though..........

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by Anonymousreply 1212/23/2018

R12 Plus Summer Cannibal, is funnily enough a cannibal of a song, in that it eats a song written by her late husband in the 70s, with her lyrics put over the top.

by Anonymousreply 1312/23/2018

R11 Cheers, I did not know that. Rachel was self refer to themselves as male or female, depending on how dressed up they were - Reed, like others, went along with that.

by Anonymousreply 1412/23/2018

I find Patti Smith unlistenable now, apart from Land/horses. I think she was just part of that time. Lou Reed owes at least some of his reputation and fanbase to Bowie.

by Anonymousreply 1512/23/2018

R15 Yes, re Patti. Her 'Just Kids' book helps cements her to that time that is looked upon with great affection, especially now that New York is Disneyfied.

by Anonymousreply 1612/23/2018

I love that commercial, the way it was shot and put together. The last shot of Reed is silly indeed. Thanks, OP.

by Anonymousreply 1712/23/2018

Good thread. Some smart posts.

I attended a reading of Reed's poetry earlier this year at NYPL. Lots of love, affection, respect, particularly toward Laurie (who read a couple of poems).

His sister, who seems like a cool, intelligent woman, was there as well. But I don't understand why she and others in Lou's life actively disavow his bisexuality, and his relationships with Rachel and other binary people. It seems incredibly dishonest and/or homophobic to deny that Reed was a queer person, and/or a bisexual, and/or at the very least, not a completely heterosexual person. What's the point?

by Anonymousreply 1812/23/2018

sorry, "non-binary people"

by Anonymousreply 1912/23/2018

R18 I think, maybe as progressives, they view Rachel as truly a woman, so they don't see it as a testament to Lou's bi-sexuality?

by Anonymousreply 2012/23/2018

[quote]proto-alt.rock

[quote]proto-industrial

We’re pretty full of ourselves, aren’t we?

by Anonymousreply 2112/23/2018

R20 Rachel had a penis. Nearly everyone in the 70s would have seen that as a gay relationship, no matter how they dressed.

by Anonymousreply 2212/23/2018

Lou’s bandmate called Rachel his”transvestite BOYfriend.” And Lou couldn’t have not at least tried sucking and sitting on Rachel dick.

by Anonymousreply 2312/24/2018

Well, I think Reed's legacy is beyond him being in a relationship with Rachel, however you want to classify Rachel or Reed as.

by Anonymousreply 2412/24/2018

Maybe his family omits Lou's bisexuality because he never told them it was OK to speak about it, or maybe he told them - I'm straight and my tranny girlfriend was a lady. Otherwise - I'm definitely straight. Or maybe he told them, while alive, I'm bi but please never talk about it publicly.

There, many good reasons his family might just skip over him being bi.

Lou Reed is OK but not a major artist: I can see some old coots still being fans. I think he'd be forgotten if not for VU and that band will never be well known again, just a niche thing from the Jurassic period, for young hipsters the feel pleased with themselves about knowing.

by Anonymousreply 2512/24/2018

He was a proto alt-cock lover

by Anonymousreply 2612/24/2018

R26 Yes, he was the first man to discover cock loving.

by Anonymousreply 2712/24/2018

Poor Rachel died of AIDS.

by Anonymousreply 2812/24/2018

Our family lived in Rome, where Lou was set to give a concert. Lou gave an interview where he said, "I love riots, man." When he got on stage the crowd rioted. Lou burst into tears and ran offstage.

Years later to see him around NYC, fretting, angry or bombed while Laurie Anderson tried to calm him down in a soothing, singsong voice like mommy.

Many commercial flops -- odd that he kept getting record contracts -- but died rich.

His sister says that his parents were liberals and did not subject him to electric shot. Her own feelings were hurt by the song Kill Your Sons, in which he mocked her husband as fat (was he a DLer?).

Rachel was last seen homeless and living on the streets. Long dead.

by Anonymousreply 2912/24/2018

R27 whooooooosh

by Anonymousreply 3012/24/2018

R28 It's interesting that the biographer didn't follow up on the outcome of Rachel.

by Anonymousreply 3112/24/2018

R30 Wouldn't an alt-cock be an enlarged clitoris pumped with testosterone?

by Anonymousreply 3212/24/2018

R29 I think his record sales were enough to cover the cost, plus the record label would have made money from the associated tours, maybe? Plus there was the prestige of having Lou Reed on the books, would help entice more profitable acts. Plus there was always a suggestion of more success, that didn't come.

It might be similar to Sonic Youth going with Geffen. There was commercial potential, but by Geffen having the respected Youth on their books, this helped Geffen get the likes of Nirvana and others on board, which really paid off well for Geffen.

by Anonymousreply 3312/24/2018

If Katrina and the Wave's 'Walking On Sunshine' makes them a million a year, would 'Walk on the Wildside' pay something similar to the Lou Reed estate, or would it not be so profitable? What say ye, DLers?

by Anonymousreply 3412/24/2018

R32 Nope, that would be an enlarged clitoris pumped with testosterone. But you are certainly entitled to your own faith-based system belief system

by Anonymousreply 3512/24/2018

Genius.

by Anonymousreply 3612/24/2018

I'm more interested in Lou Reed and David Bowie than Lou Reed and Rachel

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by Anonymousreply 3712/24/2018

Bump of ol' speed!

by Anonymousreply 3812/26/2018

I was never a fan especially after hearing what a horrible person he was but that creepy video where the animatronic version of him gets ripped apart sure left an impression.

by Anonymousreply 3912/26/2018

R39 It sure made an impression on Beavis and Butthead too.

by Anonymousreply 4012/26/2018

In my waiter days, I started working at a 'locals' restaurant in the west village. Lou Reed lived near by & fairly regularly came in. For about 2 months he was a horror to wait on- and he always sat in my section. My co workers just said to ignore it & he'll change. Then one visit he didnt bark an order & mentioned the change in the weather. From then on perfectly fine - but not chatty. It's a fun memory now.

by Anonymousreply 4112/26/2018

R41 I wonder if he had a habit of trying to assert himself wherever he was, like a dog pissing to mark its territory?

by Anonymousreply 4212/28/2018

Not a bad theory, R42, but I think he was mostly just a grumpy cunt.

by Anonymousreply 4312/28/2018

I think Lou Reed's music is hit or miss -- more misses than hits.

He had some really good songs spread over his career -- I like Coney Island Baby, Tatters, Walk on the Wild Side, NYC Man, Crazy Feeling, Pale Blue Eyes, Endless Cycle -- but he also had MANY duds. (See, eg, Lulu).

I find him more interesting as a person than a musician. I haven't read the DeCurtis bio but would be interested to check it out.

by Anonymousreply 4405/03/2020

He had a lot of great songs--"Foggy Notion," "Andy's Chest," and about a dozen Velvet Underground songs that are classics.

It always amuses me that the lesser talented (or no talents) think they're fit to judge obviously brilliant people like Lou Reed.

by Anonymousreply 4505/03/2020

I would have tried to fuck his filthy little Long Island butt when he was in his 20s.

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by Anonymousreply 4605/03/2020

Always loved the Velvets and loved his voice, delivery and lyrics. A real antidote to all that shitty overblown ‘rawk’ music that came out of the US from the Sixties onwards.

In Popism Warhol refers to Reed telling him about the sex clubs that are mostly just a bare bar and open jars of Vaseline. I think Reed did what he wanted and had little patience with the opinions of others.

by Anonymousreply 4705/03/2020

A discussion of Lou Reed, and yet not one mention of John Cale - who was FAR more talented and versatile.

Related to the recent 6 degrees of celebrity thread, I was friends with Laurie Anderson’s last pre-Lou boyfriend (whom she left for Lou). He had been a successful, but troubled tv and music video director, and never really got over their breakup. It was actually quite sad.

by Anonymousreply 4805/03/2020

That is sad, r48. I always liked Laurie but wondered how she tolerated Lou.

by Anonymousreply 4905/03/2020

R28 - really? I did not know that

by Anonymousreply 5005/03/2020

Interesting article (the comments are fascinating) about Rachel - the boyfriend.

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by Anonymousreply 5105/03/2020

Like many people in showbiz (like our current reality star president) he was a malignant narcissist who relied on his bankability and personal charm to con people into tolerating the intolerable. I think he preferred men sexually but went for women, cis and otherwise, as partners because women fell for his hurt little boy act and would mother him. That's the only explanation I can find for Laurie Anderson devoting herself to him during his declining years. She had to have had better things to do than to deal with that prick.

by Anonymousreply 5205/03/2020

How the fuck do you know what Lou Reed was, asshole R52?

As for you, R48, in case you have difficulty reading, this is a thread about Lou Reed, not John Cale, who was not, in fact, far more talented than Lou Reed.

by Anonymousreply 5305/03/2020

Another notable person buried on Hart Island is Rachel Humphreys, who in the mid-1970s was Lou Reed’s transgender partner and the inspiration for the music and artwork on Mr. Reed’s 1976 album “Coney Island Baby.”

Ms. Humphreys, whose birth name was Richard, died in 1990 at St Clare’s Hospital, which specialized in treating AIDS patients at the time, though Ms. Humphreys’ official cause of death is unknown.

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by Anonymousreply 5405/03/2020

For fans of Lou Reed's music it's definitely worth a read.

by Anonymousreply 5505/03/2020

r53 = Laurie Anderson

by Anonymousreply 5605/03/2020

Thanks r54

by Anonymousreply 5705/03/2020

r52 that's an interesting theory. I've read accounts of Laurie and Lou out in public. He would be throwing fits or acting like a general ass and Laurie would be flitting around, tying to placate him, and making apologies for him.

It was disappointing to me that the ostensible feminist who produced this turned into that.

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by Anonymousreply 5805/03/2020

When he was good, he wrote songs that were as great as anybody's. The 3rd Velvet Underground might be my favorite record of all time. The enormous influence of the VU on all the "alternative" music that came in the wake of punk, in the 80s and beyond, really can't be overstated.

On a personal level, however, he seemed to leave a lot to be desired. I don't know if the shock treatment had a lasting negative effect or what. Laurie Anderson almost seemed like his opposite.

by Anonymousreply 5905/03/2020

r59 is that the album with Pale Blue Eyes? That's probably my favorite VU song.

by Anonymousreply 6005/03/2020

Yeah, R60

by Anonymousreply 6105/03/2020

Listening to it now, r61. It's been a while.

Brings back memories -- it's one of those songs that I associate with someone, and in this case, my first love.

by Anonymousreply 6205/03/2020

Pale Blue Eyes is on the second, self titled album. The 3rd album was "Loaded".

by Anonymousreply 6305/03/2020

1st - Velvet Underground & Nico

2nd - White Light/White Heat

3rd - The Velvet Underground (the one with "Pale Blue Eyes")

4th - Loaded

by Anonymousreply 6405/03/2020

[quote] It always amuses me that the lesser talented (or no talents) think they're fit to judge obviously brilliant people like Lou Reed.

Mary, get OVER yourself.

by Anonymousreply 6505/03/2020

White Light/White Heat is my favorite. All of VU holds up well IMO. I am probably too much of a wimp to have survived in that era in NYC, but I wish I’d seen it.

I’ve never appreciated Reed’s solo stuff as much.

by Anonymousreply 6605/03/2020

I’ve loved his music since I was a teen I’ll definitely have to read this. He was terrible at times there’s no denying it.

by Anonymousreply 6705/03/2020

Lou Reed was the best thing to ever happen to trans women and genderfluid types. They love to claim that cis men are secretly wild for desire for them but hiding it by pretending to loathe them (if you don;t believe me, read anything written by Jacob Tobia or Alok Vaid-Menon), and no one ever believes them. But they can point to Lou Reed and say, "Well, here's a very cis and butch handsome guy who wanted trans people desperately."

by Anonymousreply 6805/03/2020

Rachel was beautiful especially considering there wasn’t the same stuff so easily accessible to transexuals back then.

by Anonymousreply 6905/03/2020

I always thought Candy Darling was beautiful too ... but such a tragic figure

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by Anonymousreply 7005/03/2020

Rock 'n' Roll Animal is my favorite live album.

by Anonymousreply 7105/03/2020

Lou Reed was not handsome.

by Anonymousreply 7205/03/2020

I found a blog post with some more information on Rachel. Her life was probably more interesting than Lous

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by Anonymousreply 7305/03/2020

I read somewhere that when he started dating Laurie Anderson he tried to cut her off from her old friends/old life.

It makes me wonder if he was actually abusive toward her.

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by Anonymousreply 7405/03/2020

Reading about him and his contemporaries makes me realise that rock music is now more dead than disco ever was.

by Anonymousreply 7505/03/2020

He wasn't bad live

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by Anonymousreply 7605/03/2020

Interesting conversation about a later album

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by Anonymousreply 7705/03/2020

I like this one -- his newer albums had some gems.

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by Anonymousreply 7805/03/2020

R65, I'll get over myself if you go fuck yourself, Cunt.

by Anonymousreply 7905/03/2020

[quote] Lou Reed was not handsome.

You say po-tay-to and I say po-tah-to...

by Anonymousreply 8005/03/2020

Having trouble adjusting our meds this week, are we?

by Anonymousreply 8105/03/2020

Young Lou was sexy, neither handsome nor a dog. He was a rock star, skinny, big dark eyes. He easily fucked any guy or chick he wanted to.

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by Anonymousreply 8205/03/2020

He was very fetching during is gritty glam phase. I'm sure women threw themselves at him. They loved that sort of look.

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by Anonymousreply 8305/03/2020

I liked him in the Velvet Underground, and some of his earlier solo albums like Transformer, and others but as a person I was told he was not nice at all. Did anyone here see him at the Mineshaft or Anvil bar or have sex with him? R52 I always heard he was bisexual and one bio I read about him published in the 1980s said he liked group sex with men and women, and TS/TV people but his band members said this. I don't doubt that he had mental illnesses as he did have anxiety/panic issues, depression, and substance abuse issues; but I have no idea if he was a narcissist or not? Basically if he did not like someone or something he would be honest about it, and would even tell off the press or people interviewing him and end interviews or give silly answers if they asked him questions that he had went over before in other interviews or that were common knowledge.

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by Anonymousreply 8405/03/2020

I wonder if Lou Reed, Bowie, and Iggy Pop had sex with each other, and with Mick Jagger?

by Anonymousreply 8505/03/2020

Downtown deadpan - that way of speaking is so funny and of its moment. It was so easy to do. Warhol was the master.

by Anonymousreply 8605/03/2020

Isn't there some story in Please Kill Me about Lou begging guys to shit on him? Am I making that up?

by Anonymousreply 8705/03/2020

Oh, brother.

by Anonymousreply 8805/03/2020

I stand corrected. Apparently Lou asked some guy to shit in his mouth

by Anonymousreply 8905/03/2020

But was he being serious R89? What was the context?

by Anonymousreply 9005/03/2020

r90

“So I'm thinking, Hey, I know about this, and I'm sitting with my hero, Lou Reed, and we're going to have an intellectual conversation about Raymond Chandler. Alright! …

“And he said, ‘Well, look, why don't you come back to my hotel with me?' I said, ‘And?' He said, ‘And you can shit in my mouth. How'd you like that?' I said, ‘I don't think I would like that.'

“I was really ashen. And Lou started whispering, like it was supposed to make me hot, and said, ‘Does that, does that repulse you?' I said, ‘Yeah.' And he said, ‘Well, I'll put a — I'll put a plate over my face, then you can shit on the plate. How'd you like that?'

“I said, ‘No, I don't think I'd like that, either.'”

Duncan Hannah, Please Kill Me

by Anonymousreply 9105/03/2020

Dear Lord in Heaven?

by Anonymousreply 9205/03/2020

He was ddfinitley sexy until he got Very old.

by Anonymousreply 9305/03/2020

Yes that's my reaction R93. But I guess that was Lou's way of telling the guy to fuck off R91, that he did not like the whole 'hero worship' thing that came with being a rock star, or that Duncan Hannah is a phony?

by Anonymousreply 9405/03/2020

New York was a great album

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by Anonymousreply 9505/04/2020

New York was probably his best post VU release.

by Anonymousreply 9605/04/2020

Some of his later stuff was pretty dark:

He dreamt that his father was sunk to his knees

His leather belt tied so tight that it was hard to breathe

And the studs from his jacket were as cold as a breeze

As he danced to a rock minuet

He pictured the bedroom where he heard the first cry

His mother on all fours, ah, with his father behind

And her yell hurt so much, he had wished he'd gone blind

And rocked to a rock minuet

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by Anonymousreply 9705/04/2020

I get him confused with Lou Rawls.

by Anonymousreply 9805/04/2020

I forgot about his collaboration with Quine.

A song in which he tries to convince us he is totally straight (I think this is around the time he married Sylvia)

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by Anonymousreply 9905/04/2020

R99 Quine taped some early Velvet Underground shows in the 1960s. Rest in peace.

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by Anonymousreply 10005/08/2020

r85, I don't know but I'm guessing that celebrities don't enjoy fucking other celebrities so much as lower-status people they can feel superior to and don't have to worry about satisfying.

by Anonymousreply 10105/08/2020

Reed is an asshole who used his celebrity/money to get a liver he didn't deserve b/c he was still using/drinking. No regular Joe would've been approved. It ended up killing him, & John Cale confirmed it point blank in an interview.

by Anonymousreply 10205/08/2020

R102 it's like that whenever a rock star, musician, Politician, or very wealthy person gets an organ transplant. Larry Kramer did this, as did Phil Lesh, David Crosby, and others, and no they should not be allowed to do this as there are people who have been on those waiting lists years/decades. Do you have a link to the interview? I know for a fact that Gregg Allman was never sober or did not stop using drugs; but neither did Crosby or Lesh despite having liver transplants.

by Anonymousreply 10305/08/2020

R29 so did Lou ever perform for the fans in Rome who had paid to see him play? Why was he so uptight about the riot or very excited fans? Hadn't he ever heard of football riots or football hooligans? Or how even in North America you will have sports or music fans go wild and crazy or riot at events?

by Anonymousreply 10405/08/2020

Here's the Cale link. Starts a 3:52

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by Anonymousreply 10505/08/2020

It's strange ... until he died, I was under the impression Lou had been completely clean since the early 1980s.

It really made me rethink his relationship with Laurie. I didn't see her as the type of person to put up with that.

by Anonymousreply 10605/08/2020

If you don't like Lou Reed, your taste is garbage.

I would NEVER, EVER expect Datalounge to know or like him.

by Anonymousreply 10705/08/2020

One of his better songs from the 90s.

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by Anonymousreply 10805/09/2020

And then ... this crap fest.

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by Anonymousreply 10905/09/2020

R102 confirms what R107 says. R102, you're an asshole and a cunt. Where are you greatest hits, loser?

by Anonymousreply 11005/09/2020

r110 is fun at parties

by Anonymousreply 11105/09/2020

I am, R111, especially when I eviscerate fools like R102 who deserve it. My favorite party trick.

by Anonymousreply 11205/09/2020

r112 = the ghost of Lou Reed

by Anonymousreply 11305/09/2020

r112 I deserve it because I actually provided the receipts the guy's an asshole?

He was a piece of shit; a horrible performer with a shitty voice who treated everyone around him like garbage, including beating his partners, because he couldn't deal with his own sexuality. He wrote a few good songs whose luster has faded now because they relied on the shock value of bringing downtown, uptown then selling it to Main street. And even then, who knows how much was a collaboration, especially with Cale. Anything he did that hit has someone else like Bowie or Cale behind him. In another era, he would've been a minor Beat Poet.

How many people in the industry really like his shit, and how many just claim it because his "fuck you" attitude is admired in rock circles? He's like Patti Smith: over-rated lyrics & shitty performance but it shows a lot of the real artists coming up behind them that you actually can have a career being ugly & marginally talented.

by Anonymousreply 11405/09/2020

r114 = John Cale

by Anonymousreply 11505/09/2020

They were kind of adorable.

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by Anonymousreply 11605/10/2020

Link that works:

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by Anonymousreply 11705/10/2020

Anyone can pose for a cute picture, r117. Doesn't make them admirable.

by Anonymousreply 11805/10/2020

Well it's an adorable picture r118

by Anonymousreply 11905/10/2020

I see your point, r117, r119.

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by Anonymousreply 12005/10/2020

r118 I'm more of a Laurie fan than a Lou fan, and my opinion of their relationship kind of vacillates. On one hand, I think maybe he mellowed in his old age and they were truly happy together. On the other, I wonder if he treated her like crap like he did most others in his life. Who knows.

by Anonymousreply 12105/10/2020

Ah, I see Godwin's law appeared rather early in this thread r120

by Anonymousreply 12205/10/2020

That was a great read, R51.

Who was The Magician referred to by Fabian Jolivet, and who apparently comments there too? I don't know enough about Lou Reed and his entourage to know who the magician could be.

by Anonymousreply 12305/10/2020

Fuck off, R118, you tiresome cunt.

by Anonymousreply 12405/10/2020

What's your damage, r124?

by Anonymousreply 12505/10/2020

Listening to tiresome, judgmental cunts who have NO CLUE what they're talking about, yet speak as if they knew the man. Besides which, who the fuck cares? This might be a news flash to some of the dumb twats on this thread, but there are a lot of significant artists who weren't the greatest human beings. Who gives a fuck except some of the the Marys on this thread?

by Anonymousreply 12605/10/2020

Well, r126. This is the only thread you're posting on. I find that....odd.

by Anonymousreply 12705/10/2020

No, it isn't, actually, R127. I've posted on a few threads just a few minutes ago. You're not nearly as clever as you think, I guess, huh?

by Anonymousreply 12805/10/2020

Not only was Lou Reed a bitchy queen while alive, but even his posthumous thread elicits the finest of DL cuntery.

by Anonymousreply 12905/10/2020

Not really, R129--a quarter of the thread are just banal SJW cunt posts.

by Anonymousreply 13005/10/2020

r126 even accepting your argument, as the old sports saying goes, he didn't have enough talent to excuse his behaviour.

Picasso yes, a marginally talented, cunty closet case? No.

by Anonymousreply 13105/10/2020

Trolldar doesn't like, r128. What a sad life you live.

by Anonymousreply 13205/11/2020

[quote]How the fuck do you know what Lou Reed was, asshole R52?

[quote]go fuck yourself, Cunt.

[quote]you're an asshole and a cunt. Where are you greatest hits, loser?

[quote]Fuck off, R118, you tiresome cunt.

[quote]tiresome, judgmental cunts

[quote]the dumb twats on this thread

[quote]SJW cunt posts.

After you have a juice box and a nap, come back to the thread and we'll patiently explain to you how you're not cool or hardcore by shouting "cunt" repeatedly over the course of a couple of days.

by Anonymousreply 13305/11/2020

Fuck you, cunt R133.

What would you know about talent, R131? Cleary not very much. And I don't give a fuck what you "accept." Enough people recognize Lou Reed as a major artist., so what you think really doesn't matter. You clearly have a bug up your ass about him and are deeply biased against him. And you're also a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 13405/11/2020

Rachel Humphreys died on January 30, 1990 at Saint Clare’s Hospital, Hell’s Kitchen , Manhattan from HIV/AIDS. She was buried in a paupers grave out on Hart Island.

Saint Clare's, Cabrini and Saint Vincent's were all hospitals that provided huge amounts of medical care for HIV/AIDs patients. Each also provided tons of research (medical, nursing, etc..) into methods of treatment and care for HIV/AIDs patients. Sadly all have long since closed and former hospitals turned into luxury housing.

Autopsy of Lou Reed and or search of his medical records did not turn up he was HIV+, so either he and Rachael didn't have sort of sex that caused transmission, or the former was infected after she split with Lou Reed. Then again Lou Reed was taking Interferon, a drug often used in treating Kaposi's sarcoma-associated herpesvirus.

by Anonymousreply 13505/11/2020

From FB

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DL doesn't like FB hotlinks so fuck it.

"Rachel Humphreys was a transgender woman and Lou Reed’s partner, in the mid-1970s, who died on January 30, 1990 at Saint Clare’s Hospital, Hell’s Kitchen, Manhattan.

Although Saint Clare’s specialized in treating AIDS patients at the time of Humphreys’ passing, her official cause of death is unknown.

Humphreys was buried on Hart Island, Bronx County, New York, where ceremonies have not been conducted at the burial site since the 1950s, and no personal markers are set. Adults are buried in trenches with 3 sections of 48 individuals to make disinterment easier

Reed and Humphreys were together for over 3 years having met in 1974 at Club 82 in the East Village. She was the inspiration for the music and artwork on Reed’s album Coney Island Baby (1976) and also appears in the photos on the cover of his 1977 "best of" album, Walk on the Wild Side: The Best of Lou Reed.

There is scant information available regarding Humphreys’ life other than she was a “hustler” who originally hailed from Philadelphia and was referred to at the time as a “half-Mexican transvestite” even though, from 1975, she lived as a woman and took hormones. It appears that Reed was not entirely sensitive to his partners preference to identify as a woman. In 1976, Andy Warhol wrote in his diary —

“Lou Reed called and that was the drama of the day. He said Rachel had gotten kicked in the balls and was bleeding from the mouth and he wanted the name of a doctor. Lou's doctor had looked at Rachel and said that it was nothing, that it would stop [the bleeding?] but Lou wanted another doctor to check. Lou called back and said he got Keith Richard's doctor to come over. I told him he should take her to the hospital. I was calling Rachel 'she' because she's always in drag but then Lou calls him 'he.'”

Reed got “clean and straight” and went on to marry his second wife “British designer” Sylvia Morales in 1980. The couple divorced 10 years later. In 2008, Reed married musician and performance artist @laurieandersonofficial, who he remained married to until his death on October 27, 2013."

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by Anonymousreply 13605/11/2020

Have loved this song since first hearing it in college. Hearing it reminds me of old Greenwich/West or East Village. Back when you could spend an entire day just hanging out with friends or even just by yourself and everything was chill.

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by Anonymousreply 13705/11/2020

There is plenty out there about Lou Reed and Rachael. He apparently adored her and the couple were deeply attached for a while.

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by Anonymousreply 13805/11/2020

From a NYT piece on Hart Island posted in another thread (about covid-19 burials on that island).

"Another notable person buried on Hart Island is Rachel Humphreys, who in the mid-1970s was Lou Reed’s transgender partner and the inspiration for the music and artwork on Mr. Reed’s 1976 album “Coney Island Baby.”

Ms. Humphreys, whose birth name was Richard, died in 1990 at St Clare’s Hospital, which specialized in treating AIDS patients at the time, though Ms. Humphreys’ official cause of death is unknown."

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by Anonymousreply 13905/11/2020

It would be so much nicer if you could just name the song r138, rather than force us to click on a YouTube link and sit through an ad, once we've found a spare moment when we can put the sound on.

by Anonymousreply 14005/11/2020

I mean r137, of course.

by Anonymousreply 14105/11/2020

R140

I'm gong to tell you fucking old people for last GD time; I don't see half the shit that plagues your internet searches/clicks on links, nor have any of same problems. That YT video as with every other one watches on same channel plays without adverts, delays, or any other nuisances. I don't hit paywalls or have any other of those issues as well.

I don't know what ancient browsers some of you are using but you need to up your game into 21st century. Virtually all modern browsers can be set to block ads automatically. That and or you either find out how to do it yourself, get something that does.

Now be told.

by Anonymousreply 14205/11/2020

r142 is channeling Lou Reed's cuntiness.

by Anonymousreply 14305/11/2020

R142 has never heard of anyone going onto the Information Superhighway (tm) while at work, apparently.

You can't always update your idiotic company's work browsers, R142, and they often don't have adblockers or allow you to use then. Plus, you can't have link previews active on DL if you're here while at work, because the previews are NSFW, and you can't have the sound on, either.

You don't have to be a cunt about everything, for god's sake.

by Anonymousreply 14405/11/2020

I don’t know if he completely lost contact or he simply didn’t care, but you’d have thought he’d have at least paid for Rachel’s funeral.

by Anonymousreply 14505/11/2020

r145 did they end on really bad terms? Iirc, he never talked about her in later life -- that was kind of his MO. He didn't talk about his past personal life at all, and didn't acknowledge his gay/bi tendencies

by Anonymousreply 14605/11/2020

R107, how old are you? The velvet underground's sister ray while being a drug song was known to be a song about bisexual and gay men and drag queens sucking off a sailor, and the Lou Reed Transformer album and the single from it walk on the wild side were anthems for bisexual and gay men in the 1970s and other songs on the album like viscous and makeup, and Andy's chest all have lyrics about being gay.

Even a Gen X'er like myself knew Lou was bisexual and it was never some secret.

by Anonymousreply 14705/11/2020

Is Anthony D gay?

by Anonymousreply 14805/11/2020

Rachel/Richard Humphreyes apparently was a hairdresser, and was far from some random street hustling trans. More to the point it seems the main cause of friction in her relationship with Lou Reed was Rachel's plans for full gender reassignment surgery, something Lou Reed strongly opposed.

That bit of news lends credit to Lou Reed being same as majority of guys into trans; they want a "girl with a dick" so to speak, and have no interest in post-op trannies. After splitting up with Rachel Lou went cold turkey with cis-women (or so we all are lead to believe). Lou knew Sally Maggio who managed Sally's Hideaway and 220 Club (an after hours spot), both of which were infamous trannie bars that LR frequented.

Whatever anger flowed between them after breaking up obviously continued after Rachel/Richard died because Lou Reed couldn't be bothered to save his ex from a paupers grave.

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by Anonymousreply 14905/11/2020

[quote]Lou Reed couldn't be bothered to save his ex from a paupers grave.

That's sad r149

by Anonymousreply 15005/11/2020

Just looked things up.

Rachel/Richard Humphreyes died on 01-30-1990, and wasn't buried out on Hart Island until 02-16-1990. Thus city ME's office (doubt Saint Clare's held an unclaimed body that long) held the body for about two weeks before deeming it unclaimed and sending it to Hart Island.

Now we've seen what happens when people die "alone" in another thread. Saint Clare's Hospital and or City of New York would have tried to reach any next of kin, friends or someone regarding not just Rachel's remains but any estate. Don't know how long RH was admitted to hospital before expiring, but would like to think someone went to visit. More importantly word would have gotten out about her death to at least anyone who went to visit, and or as the hospital or city began searching around for next of kin.

My guess is even if Lou Reed did know about his ex passing (since cannot prove it one way or another) he like many other guys into trans (or once were) put a lot of gone between themselves and that part of their lives. Thus didn't see any need to be bothered about Rachel's death at least in any known way.

by Anonymousreply 15105/11/2020

People like Lou Reed move on pretty quickly, he's not going to go to the trouble of burying someone he'd split up with 12 years earlier.

by Anonymousreply 15205/11/2020

R152

True, but it also seems Lou Reed was a piece of work. Not "nasty" per se, just very complex and this includes dealing with various issues of his own.

Turns out LR did bump into his ex some time after Rachel had left his orbit.

"This is Reed at his best, a troubadour for all the Lous and Rachels, once kids too. Kids grow up; some become rock stars. Sounes’s contribution to the Rachel story is information from a friend of Reed’s who says that, some time after Rachel disappeared from Reed’s circle, he bumped into her on the street; she looked sick, he said, and told him she was living under the West Side Highway."

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by Anonymousreply 15305/11/2020

If one of my exes died, I don't think I would want to be bothered with seeing they were properly buried.

by Anonymousreply 15405/11/2020

Exactly, R153. I knew I wouldn't, either. I feel in no way obligated to pay for any of my exes in death or in life.

Truth is, there's no love lost between many exes.

by Anonymousreply 15505/11/2020

If I had the means, I think I would, r154.

(This thread made me consider the question.)

by Anonymousreply 15605/11/2020

R156 Same here. If an ex of mine died and they were to be buried in a pauper's grave, I would also see that they had a proper grave if I had the means.

by Anonymousreply 15705/11/2020

Haven't listened to this in many years.

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by Anonymousreply 15805/11/2020

This thread sent me down a Laurie Anderson rabbit hole.

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by Anonymousreply 15905/12/2020

He had some great music, but his influence and perceived NY “coolness” caused him to be more celebrated than his talent warranted. See also, Patti Smith.

by Anonymousreply 16005/12/2020

R160, that's ridiculous. Patti Smith doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Lou Reed, and you're wrong about minimizing his talent, too.

by Anonymousreply 16105/12/2020

He's actually looking good in OP. Back then.. I just remember him as skanky looking.

by Anonymousreply 16205/12/2020

Young Lou Reed wasn't a bad looking guy.

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by Anonymousreply 16305/12/2020

He wasn't that bad later on either. But at some point the life we all lead catches up with us I suppose.

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by Anonymousreply 16405/12/2020

R162 considering he was on lots of heroin/opiates, meth-did not sleep for days or bathe, lots of coke, and then later became an alcoholic or thought drinking would cure him of using opiates and meth, I am amazed he lived as long as he did.

by Anonymousreply 16505/13/2020

The screaming kids in this always bothered me

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by Anonymousreply 16605/13/2020

R165=the "Faux-Amazed" Troll

by Anonymousreply 16705/13/2020

Why so over-defensive r142?

by Anonymousreply 16805/13/2020

R161, there are plenty of reasons for mentioning Lou Reed and Patti Smith in the same sentence, if you know anything about either of them.

by Anonymousreply 16905/13/2020

R169, I know a lot about both of them. And anyone with even a modicum of intelligence and taste knows Lou Reed has a catalogue of iconic songs that far surpasses hers.

by Anonymousreply 17005/14/2020

Taste is subjective R170 and is not related to intelligence. Some people are even evolved enough not to judge people based on their music taste.

by Anonymousreply 17105/14/2020

But you have no musical taste, R171, if you equate Reed with Smith.

by Anonymousreply 17205/14/2020

Has Laurie Anderson discovered DL?

by Anonymousreply 17305/14/2020

Good thing I don’t care about your opinion, R172. I’ll grant you Reed was better than Smith, whose only notable song was covered better by 10,000 Maniacs. (Speaking of overrated vocalists... what happened to Natalie Merchant? One good solo record then kaput)

by Anonymousreply 17405/14/2020

"I’ll grant you Reed was better than Smith"

So you admit what I said all along, R174, after you said before they were practically the same.

That is all.

by Anonymousreply 17505/14/2020

You showed me R175!

I said they were both overrated compared to their talent due to being NY scenesters, which does not preclude me thinking Reed was the better of the two. But I’m curious about why you care so much about my opinion. Are you related to Reed or just put too much weight on your perceived advanced musical taste?

by Anonymousreply 17605/14/2020

Reed is far from overrated, but again, you're obviously stuck with that opinion, R176.

I don't care about your opinion. I'm merely arguing on behalf of an artist who deserves better treatment than what can obviously be expected from catcalling queens on DL.

by Anonymousreply 17705/14/2020

So basically you are the alt-rock version of the queens arguing over whether Janet or Madonna is better and feeling very passionately about it,

by Anonymousreply 17805/14/2020

No, I'm not, R178. I don't traffic in hacks like Madonna and I don't care about Janet Jackson. But two-bit DL queens who think they're equipped to trash Lou Reed or anyone of his proven stature need to have their shit called.

by Anonymousreply 17905/14/2020

Your response and its tone suggest otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 18005/14/2020

Also, comparing Patti Smith and Reed on a very superficial level (time period, critical acclaim) is hardly trashing Reed.

by Anonymousreply 18105/14/2020

My responses are clear and I haven't heard any coherent or legitimate arguments against what I've said, in defending Lou Reed as a musician and singer; my tone is impatience at fools, but that's the hazards of DL. Most of the tedious queens on this thread go after Reed for his personal defects, as if that's a mark of anything. It isn't.

by Anonymousreply 18205/14/2020

I agree, R181, it's on a very superficial level.

by Anonymousreply 18305/14/2020

Ok, Reedbot

by Anonymousreply 18405/14/2020

No insult there, R184. Beats being a Madonnabot or Janetbot.

by Anonymousreply 18505/14/2020

This thread is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 18605/14/2020

Being hysterical about an artist you have no connection to makes you no better than them.

by Anonymousreply 18705/14/2020

Some people who can't defend themselves in an argument always accuse the other person, who can strenuously defend their arguments, as hysterical. They used to accuse women who asserted their opinions of the same, R187. It's a very tired accusation.

by Anonymousreply 18805/14/2020

I’m not the one in a huff because someone said Patti Smith and Lou Reed in the same sentence. You’ve now used homophobic slurs, insults and an implication that I’m a misogynist because I stated an opinion. That, in my opinion, makes you hysterical.

I have nothing to defend. I have an opinion and you have one. You just have a much more personal investment in your opinion, causing you to disparage me (and gay men in general) with your language.

As a Reed fan, you are likely too old for these shenanigans. Grow up and learn to discuss things like an adult.

by Anonymousreply 18905/14/2020

Gay men disparaging other gay men on DL, can you IMAGINE??? R189 is shocked by this!

Using Patti Smith and Lou Reed in the same sentence, unless it's to say he's obviously greater, should be strenuously commented upon. As for the hysterical remark, it was, in fact, what they said to use against women. If the shoe fits, Cinderella, it's all yours, R189.

by Anonymousreply 19005/14/2020

More insults and misogyny from our very distinguished music critic. Too touchy to allow a sentence equating two artists from the same scene...

by Anonymousreply 19105/14/2020

Because the sentence saying, essentially, they were both overrated, was a stupid sentence. Sorry if that's too much for you to accept. But it was.

by Anonymousreply 19205/14/2020

My opinion may be stupid, but I’m not the only one.

Waiting for the response that NME is overrated in 3...2...1...

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by Anonymousreply 19305/14/2020

R193, you're right that many people like you can share stupid opinions.

Lou Reed is described in that biography, btw, as being "an artist of incalculable significance." Time has certainly backed that up.

by Anonymousreply 19405/14/2020

Watching you contort yourself to prove that your opinion is superior is fun.

I never said he wasn’t an important artist. I said he was overrated. The most significant, overrated artist of his generation is Bob Dylan. The two categories are not mutually exclusive. Madonna is incredibly overrated by talent, but she has been significant, like it or not.

Opinions are opinions. We all think our youth idols are the best, but most are able to discuss them critically and objectively as we grow older.

by Anonymousreply 19505/14/2020

R195, you're full of shit--you never said Reed was an important artist, only overrated. Talk about contortions.

And what could be a more contorted assertion than to refer to Dylan as the "most significant, overrated artist of his generation." Smell you!

And Lou Reed was not a youth idol of mine. So sorry to disprove all your "theories."

by Anonymousreply 19605/14/2020

That’s the thing about opinions, they aren’t facts.

I don’t deny Reed was important, obviously this thread is on a book about him, 35 years after his heyday. Whether I think he’s as good as you do is a difference of opinion.

Smell me? You’re the one sneering at opinions different than yours. If he wasn’t your youth idol, I guess your just an argumentative, garden variety music snob. Reread your past posts. If you don’t see the derision and elitism of stating that people who don’t revere Reed as stupid, you have a stunning lack of self awareness.

by Anonymousreply 19705/14/2020

R167 do you even know how many drugs Lou Reed was using all of his life from a teenager until his death? He would oftentimes combine drugs that kill people such as heroin and alcohol, uppers and downers, or benzos with opiates.

by Anonymousreply 19805/14/2020

R165/R198 has personally kept track of ALL the drugs Lou Reed did. She's the Lou Reed Drug Zsar.

R197, I don't need to reread my posts. "I guess your just" requires an "Oh, dear" but beyond that, everything you suggest is obvious--yes, I do see that you are being derided by me as stupid because you are. No "stunning lack of self awareness"--I've said it previously--you're a moron.

by Anonymousreply 19905/14/2020

“yes, I do see that you are being derided by me as stupid because you are. No "stunning lack of self awareness"--I've said it previously--you're a moron.“

Yes, I am a moron for not liking Lou Reed as much as you do. /s

Earlier in this series: “ As for the hysterical remark, it was, in fact, what they said to use against women. If the shoe fits, Cinderella, it's all yours, [R189].”

You are hysterical and can’t argue with logic or facts, only insults. And since you are likely not a woman, quit using that.

Here’s how a non-hysterical response would sound: “I disagree with you. Lou Reed has influenced so many people by [add argument here]. “

Hysterical/Your take “You don’t agree with me so you’re a dumb queen”.

I think you can’t even explain your own opinion. Sign of an insecure person and frankly, a not very intelligent one.

by Anonymousreply 20005/15/2020

Can we please just get back to discussing Lou Reed? I love his music and I don’t care that not everyone agrees.

by Anonymousreply 20105/15/2020

Sorry, I just like winding up nasty blowhards. I’ll stop since you asked politely.

by Anonymousreply 20205/15/2020

"Sorry, I just like winding up nasty blowhards."

Which makes you a blowhard as well, R202.

by Anonymousreply 20305/16/2020

r48 your post reminded me of Lou Reed's song about throwing her former boyfriends to their death

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