Actress Claims to Have Had Relationship with Woody Allen While She Was Underage

43 years ago ? Did she keep the blue dress ?

Discuss? No fucking surprise here. Grass is green, Trump lies, and Woody Allen is a fucking creepy rock spider.

Mia Farrow comes out looking pretty bad, too.

We already know that Woody likes ‘em barely legal. In this case, she was a few weeks under the wire.

Yeah, she doesn't look like a crazy fantasist at all.

I don't buy this story, but am actually interested in hearing what Mia has to say.

[quote]included threesomes with the director and Mia Farrow in his penthouse, according to a new report.

It's a strangely brilliant strategy in some respects by putting Farrow in a no-win position.

She must have been the model for Mariel Hemingway's character, Tracy, in Manhattan.

Child molester Mia.

It has a ring to it.

She was 20 when she had threesomes with Mia; it was four years later.

[quote]She must have been the model for Mariel Hemingway's character, Tracy, in Manhattan.

Nope. That was actress Stacey Nelkin. I knew her and heard about her relationship with Woody before Manhattan was made.

The innocent seduced child

How is Babi formed? How gril get pragnet?

He is so disgusting & I bet he molested the daughters he adopted with his stepdaughter. Vile POS.

R13 But he will get away with it forever. As this thread demonstrates many people will vigorously defend his pedophilia because they like his movies, it's sad but true

Who is this English as a 5th language person who's been commenting on everything on DL lately?

It’s not like there’s never been a hint of scandal around him, I wonder why she waited so long to say something?

[quote]Who is this English as a 5th language person who's been commenting on everything on DL lately?

If you’re talking about R12, that’s a reference to an infamous Yahoo Answers question.

All adds up now. Stacey Nelkin was a tiny little nerdy Jewish girl .... she was NEVER the inspiration for Tracy in Manhattan. It seems.

Tracy was cast on purpose: a long, leggy gorgeous blonde model like Mariel because Babi Christina WAS the real inspiration.

Wows.

Meanwhile I can't believe Mia was into eating 20 year old carpet. Damn girl, get yours!

I have to say the first thing I thought about was the rumor I read that Joaquin Phoenix and Rooney Mara have threesomes with his sister. Yuck.

From the hollywood reporter: she spent some time working as a personal assistant to Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire financier later convicted for soliciting an underage girl.

Oh man oh man. It's getting real.

r20: Jeffrey Epstein (as I read on old DL threads) didn't just solicit an underage "girl," He ran a pedophile ring of young teenage girls for himself and other very well known people. (Their names are only rumored so I won't say it here).

This is good stuff

Give me a break.

Anyone with access to the internet or a newspaper knows some of Epstein's alleged clients.

Just to be perfectly clear, however, Alan Dershowitz says he never had any contact with Epstein's girls. Not even once. He's not that kind of guy, you know.

Bill Clinton and Prince Charles have been alleged. Those are the two most prominent names I know of.

All the Jezebel types on Twitter are just aghast that this happened - despite them knowing about "Manhattan"

I thought it was Prince Andy. But of course none of them had anything to do with Epstein.

People who knew her at the time confirm it

I do hope we can stop pretending this man isn't a pedophile. He's a monster and I feel terrible for his adopted daughters. They need to be removed

She looked like Scarjo.

The frauen here fear their fat fuck husbands are the same.

Engelhardt doesn't suppose she's the sole inspiration for Tracy. She knows that actress Stacey Nelkin, who dated Allen while she was a 17-year-old student at Stuyvesant High School after meeting him during the making of Annie Hall, has stated she was his Manhattan muse. (Still: "When I heard her say that, I was like, 'Whatever.' ") For Engelhardt's part, she presumes Tracy is a composite and that any number of Allen's presumed other real-life young paramours, including the two she met during threesomes, may have collectively stirred the director's imagination. "I was a fragment," she explains. "Great artists cherry-pick."

Who comes out looking worse here - Woody or Mia?

Woody, you unhinged nut

Mia for me, because woody allen has never pretended to be anything other than what he is ... a brilliant artist who loves young girls. Constant references, jokes, movies, lines in his comedy etc ...

...turns out mia liked young pussy too!

Mia looks bad because of all her virtue signaling. They both look really unsavory. I still see a distinction between boinking high school students and diddling a seven year old, but I realize the DL, in the lump, disagrees.

32 - So's your father. How's that for snark? And , by the way, there's a gay bar in New york that has a ten year old boy as Drag Queen "dancing" for money. I'm not quite believing that it is about "validating" this boy and his Drag Queenness , but validating some underlying psychology in the men that attended the bar that night and flung money on the stage. IT's not a secret. Homeboy is being invited to Drag Con. And it isn't Lactacia, either. It's yet ANOTHER one. Pale, pasty, thin, "autistic" and being taken advantage of by their parents and gay men.

Paedophilia isn't as rare as you would have us think. It has nothing to do with "sexual orientation". But carry on snarking and bugging up Woody Fucking Allen. He's a long time getting away with it. Just bask in that and be grateful.

R36 Woody very much pretended he was something other than what he was when the abuse allegations came out or he would be in jail where he belongs

Assholes like R36 want to act like now it's not a big deal after she spent YEARS denigrating Dylan and insisting she was lying about her sexual assault despite all evidence to the contrary.

But it's okay everyone because Woody is a brilliant artist!

He used to be a brilliant artist. Age has robbed him of talent.

Whatever

Were some of you even conscious in 1980, when Manhattan was made? Do you have any idea what the culture was like back then? Give it a fucking rest.

R13 You know that bothers me a lot actually. If he was really known to be a child molester (in the legal world or otherwise) how TF was he allowed to adopt another 2 children with Soon Yi?? Wouldn't child services be aware of his past or is it an indictment of Mia's accusations that he was allowed??

I checked out the insta pages of those two and in fairness they seem pretty normal and even posts lots of loving messages to Woody as their dad.

Oh, knock off the histrionics, r39 (and r38, while we're at it). How would you know whether r36 spent YEARS denigrating Dylan.

Jesus, this place.

Is this threesome thing the inspiration for Vicky Christina Barcelona? So this Babby woman is ScarJo??

R44 Because they do it to this day. You can finds posts from last month attacking Dylan for "making things up". Woody disgusting defenders start threads attacking Mia and Dylan regularly. Where have you been?

I've been right here, schmuck, and neither you nor I have any idea whether particular posters on this thread attacked Mia and Dylan in the others. It's ridiculous to pin anything on an anonymous poster, and you make yourself foolish.

So, did he continue the threesomes with Soon-Yi?

I guess we "don't know" If posters defending Woody and attacking everyone else around him did so on previous threads the same way we "don't know" if he abused Dylan despite him marrying his step daughter and saying in a public interview he's attracted to young girls.

Woody shouldn't have been allowed to adopt the two youngest girls. Those girls should sue whoever was involved with their adoption proceedings.

Unfortunately the abuse charges to Woody never stuck and even his PR team did a GREAT job at making him look like some innocent victim being falsely accused. That's why he was allowed to adopt the younger girls. But they should be removed from the home immediately.

So, Mia didn't have a problem with Woody sleeping with adolescent girls and allegedly joined him in threesomes? I have a feeling Allen told Farrow he had been sleeping with the 20 year old for fours years.

Interesting.

On what possible grounds, r51?

Wow, This is the worst thing that could have happened to Mia.

What ever Woody is, or whatever his kinks and obsessions were/are, he always laid them out open for the world to see, but Mia. She can deny it and save her virtue signalling reputation, or she could cop to it and reveal herself as the world's biggest hypocrite. Any attempt to do the "I told you so dance" will sink her.

Fascinating.

Does Reverand Lovejoy's wife post here now?

R53 credible accusations of child abuse is enough in most states. I'd be shocked if California wasn't one.

Reverend Who, now?

R54 Again, had Woody "laid them out" when Dylan accused him, he'd still be rotting in jail, where he belongs

R51 are think they are both now over 18 or near it.

I think NY would be the jurisdiction for custody issues.

This line of thinking would have removed Chelsea Clinton from her parents, btw.

Except it was statutory rape with Woody (again), and consenting adults if the case with Mia. How the fuck do you get off blaming his pervery on the woman (again)?

pervery??!

What's amusing is that all these Tumblrfraus aghast at Woody Allen's forty year old relationship are probably HUGE fans of "Call Me By Your Name."

Mia's moral issue isn't that she had consensual sex with a 20 year old female. Its that she threw her lot in with a man she would have known was a sexual pervert and exposed her young children to them. Doesn't paint her in the best light.

Ah yes R63 I forgot pedophilia was legal 40 years ago

Will more of the ladies who were in the threesome also be coming forward? Were they underage, too?

R64 Mia's brother is a pedo right? Wouldn't be surprised if Mia had been a victim of child sex abuse and then went on to be a groomed handmaiden for her child/teen loving Woody.

That's an interesting speculation, r67.

If this woman worked for Jeffrey Epstein, why are we giving her story so much credence. This is a man (Epstein) even more evil than DJT. I should say that I have always been a Dylan believer and think that Allen pays PR people to clean up threads about him here and elsewhere online. I read a lot about the Dylan story in 2014 when it was first reported in the NYT including an interview from the prosecutor in Connecticut who believed Allen was guilty but didn't want to put a 7-year-old Dylan on the stand. I think this info is still out there. It was in a magazine called Connecticut Monthly I believe.

Although I think it's interesting that there has been no news about Allen disputing Christina Engelhardt's story that I've seen (haven't really looked).

I was wondering when Mia was going to make it back onto the front pages of DL. I was starting to get worried, in fact.

r69, THR stated that both Woody and Mia declined comment.

R69 did this woman Christine work for Jeffrey Epstein or did she just know him? Why should it hurt her credibility? Woody knows Epstein and is friends with him.

"She can deny it and save her virtue signalling reputation, or she could cop to it and reveal herself as the world's biggest hypocrite."

Yawn, you exposed yourself as a freeper by using the term "virtue signalling" and as a misogynist by bashing Mia instead of Woody

r63, hardly anyone cares about Call Me By Your Name outside of the datalounge. It bombed.

I'd say Woody drugged Mia and forced her.

r73 = Saint Ronan

Better than “Saint” Roman, R76.

Well, if Mia couldn't keep Woody away from her girls then I doubt Soon-Yi was able to keep him away from her two daughters.

Creepy Woody gave Mia drugs and forced her into threesomes. Goodness knows who horrors Soon-Yi and their adopted daughters are going through. Drug induced 4 ways?

Aaaand r97 fabricates a libelous story out of whole cloth. Nicely done, 97.

So, Woody's sexual thing seems to be playing the creepy daddy who mentors little girls.

So, at age 41, Woody started doing threesomes with this 16-year but he still took time out from his busy schedule to write this letter to a 13-year old:

Dear Nancy,

Hard to believe you’re 13! When I was 13 I couldn’t dress myself, and here you write about one of life’s deepest philosophical problems, i.e., existential boredom. I guess it’s hard for me to imagine a 13-year-old quoting anything but Batman – but T. Mann? Anyway, there’s too much wrong with the world to ever get too relaxed and happy. The more natural state, and the better one, I think, is one of some anxiety and tension over man's plight in this mysterious universe …

Next time you write, if you ever do, please list some of the books you’ve enjoyed and movies, and which music you’ve liked, and also the things you dislike and have no patience with. And tell me what kind of place Coral Gables is. What school do you go to? What hobbies do you have? How old are your parents and what do they do? What are your moods like? Are you energetic? Are you an early riser? Are you “into clothes” … At the moment, I am re- filming some parts of my next film, which have not come out so good.

Best, Woody.

Has Ronan commented on this yet?

Oh, please please please spare us Ronan's thoughts on this.

Yawn yourself R73. You do realize that anyone can use the term "virtue signalling" other than a "Freeper". There's lots of grey between Freeper and left winger.

Mia has been a virtue signaler from waaaaaaay back. It's part of her New York celeb socialite persona.

No one excused Woody and more than one morally corrupt person can exist in the same room at a time.

She tasted like chicken. Fresh folds of chicken tuna... like a nubile casserole I guess she was, I don't know. I remember I liked her better than the crap on the craft service table.

Why the outrage?

This is why he kept a separate apartment from Mia. That's where he slept with underage girls and eventually with his own stepdaughter.

Soon-yi was not his stepdaughter. Yes the relationship is gross but they broke no laws. Smart financial move on the part of street wise survivor Soon Yi. Mia seeths for her lost lifestyle more than anything...

R88 not if Soon-Yi's daughters are encouraged by all this to come out with their own stories. Momma Soon-Yi will be in the poorhouse and jailhouse along with Woody.

Gay men deserved aids. Actually all men deserve all the repercussions of their sexual excesses. If they could get away with it, they would fuck children and animals openly. I don't think they fit or want to fit in a civilized society.

Fuck right off, r90. FF the miserable cunt.

R90 beautifully represents our rad-fem interlopers on the Datalounge. Unwelcome anywhere else on the internet, they come here to abuse gay men and we allow it.

BS, R92. I'm guessing you're pro-Caitlyn, right?

Woody wouldn't even help her get a SAG card. How embarrassing.

The HR article says she first met/approached him in October at age 16 in her last 5 minutes as a minor under NY law. She was legal 1.5 to 2 months later on her birthday in December. It's a story more of a cad and asshole than a criminal.

Pro Caitlyn what? Seriously, WHAT? Her right to live? Sure. Her right to have a sex change? Sure. Her Republican politics? No, she can go fuck herself. Her appalling reality show family? No, I ignore them, and her and have no interest in their ridiculous programs.

You approach everything with a black and white sledgehammer when less prejudice and less force is required.

You come here and viciously attack all men. ALL men. We are a GAY MEN'S WEBSITE you stupid cow. What the fuck do you think you're doing coming here and attacking all males?

But she was only one of many. Let's hear from more of them!

I wouldn't assume Mia actually ate her out. Sometimes a threesome is just enjoying - or pretending to enjoy - watching your boyfriend fuck another woman or, in this case, an underage girl.

43 YEARS? Fuck this bitch and her bullshit. I hate woody allen btw. I'm not a fan, but too many people are coming out the woodwork because its trendy.

How did this person get over to Italy and spend years traveling with Fellini, followed by her current gig as Bob Evans' "assistant"--she had to be escorting and/or procuring. . .

R96 just what I thought. You took an anti-gay statement and immediately blamed it on women in order to create a man/woman divide.

Of course, you're passionately pro-tranny but against gay women. If it's a gay men's website, then trannies and their handmaidens don't belong here either!

Begone, so we can get back to the topic of the thread!

R100 I'm surprised she spoke up since she worked with Epstein and it would make people wonder how much she knew about his ring of underage girls.

Ah. R101 has no actual response to attacking ALL men on a gay men's website. Typical fucking rad-fem interloper with an anti-tranny fetish. Get off of our website, we don't want you and your weird obsessions here.

This L.A. Times review of a posthumous documentary about Fellini refers to her "inane perkiness". I always thought Fellini should have sued Allen for plagiarism after "Stardust Memories" was released, but maybe he opted to steal Allen's girlfriend instead.

If she worked for Epstein and Bob Evans then she has nothing to say about anything and should shut the fuck up.

This is a GAY website, R103.

Maybe, R105, she will get some hush money from them.

Oh yeah, R102, I forgot to list her stint with Epstein. Procurer for sure . . . she even says something in the article RE these gigs about knowing how to keep her mouth shut. One step up from Heidi Fleiss.

R106, this is a Gay Men's website. That's how we started it, that's how we supported it and built it. Lesbians had their own forum which eventually merged into the regular Gay Men's DL. Some of us have been here from the beginning so don't even try to get it twisted.

Regardless, there is NO place for anyone to come to this site and attack men. I don't give a fuck who you are, although if you're a lesbian it's actually worse, but if you come here to attack men the answer is no.

Don't fucking act surprised. This is how you've been banned from every other site you've tried on the internet. We are extraordinarily tolerant here on the Datalounge but we have our limits, missy.

You don't know who made that post. It could have been a straight guy for all you know.

Keep dreaming, R110.

You're so "tolerant".

DL is very tolerant. We let people get almost as wild as they do on 4chan. Its why we attract so many right wingers. Sometimes I wonder if it's worth it but I really wouldn't want the site to change

R95 Woody is still a criminal no matter what in NYS. She had to be over 21 in NYS for him to have sex with her9at his advanced age). It was still statutory rape at the time.

So Woody did drugs too. He will do anything to get his prey.

She is a prosti.

The age of consent in New York is 17, so this girl was legal and the headline is incorrect.

[quote] I wouldn't assume Mia actually ate her out.

Get real, Mia's tongue would have sprung into action the moment she saw the chick walk into the room. And really who could blame her. It's only her hypocrisy that's a problem.

r114, are you actually claiming there's a different statutory age for women to have sex with much older men? You can't possibly be serious....or you are a child much too young to be on this site. Or you are really dimwitted.

R117 the girl was 16 as stated in the article. You either couldn't bother to read before rushing to defend Woody or youre none too bright.

Mia does have more to lose here because we already knew Woody was a perv and a sheev (though it doesn’t necessarily follow from that that he’s also a pedo), but that Mia was willing to indulge him and humor him in all his Pervy behavior so long as she was enjoying the money, lifestyle and career resurgence. Remember she even showed up at wardrobe for Manhattan Murder Mystery until Woody fired her. She would have put up with Soon Yi too had Woody just kept her on the side and not left Mia for her. So there’s that. No one can claim the moral high ground anymore that’s for sure.

Mia Farrow would have some positive opinions on a 19-20 year old woman being with a man in his 40s, because she certainly finds nothing wrong with that and did it with Frank Sinatra. Like these girls, she had daddy issues. Stacey Nelkin said that's why she loved being with Woody -- to whom she admitted she was totally in love.

Yes Mia and the girl had sex together Mia wasn't sitting in the corner take bong hits lol. How old would Mia have been during this tryst when the girl was 20 she says, and if she kept fucking Woody until she was 24, it's obvious she and Mia were together quite often.

Boy.

It sounds believable. But is any of it that shocking? I mean Mia married a creep. I wonder if Russia is behind this trend? It smells like them.

No, R123. This stuff has always been right there in front of our faces. It was just ignored.

I don’t know. I hope I’m wrong. It’s an endless spiral if old secrets are constantly sold for cash. I was a hooker and now I have a major job.

We saw you Saturday night, Mike, nice t-shirt.

He's my favorite director and i love his films and they've given me many a laugh over and over. I just rewatched Broadway Danny Rose and it was brilliant. It is what it is: Woody Allen is a fucking disgusting pervert who has always been into young girls.

In the least surprising news of the week, Page Six revealed the plot of Woody Allen’s upcoming film will involve a sex scene between a 15-year-old girl and a much older man. A source told the site that the movie, which is currently filming in New York, centers on a middle-aged man who is sleeping with “a much younger woman, among other actresses,” and, according to the script, “makes a fool of himself over every ambitious starlet and model.”

According to Page Six, in one scene, a character played by Rebecca Hall accuses 44-year-old actor Jude Law’s character of sleeping with a 15-year-old “concubine,” played by Elle Fanning, who is 19.

I thought he retired because his funding dried up.

I really hope you trolls trying to change the subject to Mia are being paid aren't just as pathetic as you seem

According to DL women are the worst while Woody has tons of defenders here. You guys live in a parallel universe.

The "but whaddabout Mia???" trolls are all over Twitter, too.

R130 take it with a grain of salt. These threads draw in a lot of pedo types and their defenders. You can't blame that on all DLers.

He had no interest in Ronan as a child, only in Dylan. When he chose to adopt he adopted two girls. He's a heterosexual pedophile. MJ with better cred....I hope someday his daughters break free and tell their story. The pictures of him with them as tweens are really disturbing.

A. I wouldn't be surprised.

B. I question her taste.

C. Ewwww.

Oh get over yourselves . There isn't a single person here that is DEFENDING Woody. It's just that it's old news that Woody is a perv who likes young girls. Everyone has known that for 40 years. This woman's story brings new information which is that Mia was aware of his kinks and was complicit in some ways. She knew he was screwing young girls and she went along with it within their relationship. She exposed her children to him knowing his kinks.

R133, if the 2 youngest daughters do have their own stories to tell, these continuing revelations about Allen might make it easier for them to speak out against him.

"Regardless, there is NO place for anyone to come to this site and attack men. I don't give a fuck who you are, although if you're a lesbian it's actually worse, but if you come here to attack men the answer is no."

What an asshole you are. Of course we can attack men if you attack women all the time and call them "cunt" or whore. It's fine to attack men. And fuck Woody Allen. He's a MAN.

The body language is telling.

Woody Allen's whole deal is violating boundaries. He likes to go where he's not supposed to go. There's not much difference between 16 and 18, but he goes for 16 on purpose.

He's an evil dude and people pretend he's not.

That's not a radfem, idiot at r92.

I should have known the "fraus and radfems are out to get me" troll was mainly here to defend Woody Allen. Explains so much.

What r135 said. No ones really defending Woody were just saying it’s not news - the Mia part is.

imo woody is an ephebophile, not a pedophile.

She was already 20 when she had the threesome, r98.

Let's hope so R136. I was molested at the age of nine and took me ages to tell anyone. The shame and the gas lighting these creeps use is mind-blowing. Not to mention having a famous father with a Stepford wife for a mother. If they do tell...I think it will be many years in the future.

The real scoop is Mia being into having sex with young women. We already knew Woody was with Stacey Nelkin when she was 17. This isn't a surprise.

[quote]Engelhardt doesn't suppose she's the sole inspiration for Tracy. She knows that actress Stacey Nelkin, who dated Allen while she was a 17-year-old student at Stuyvesant High School after meeting him during the making of Annie Hall, has stated she was his Manhattan muse. (Still: "When I heard her say that, I was like, 'Whatever.' ")

Stacey Nelkin was younger than 17 when Allen dated her. I know someone who went to Stuy with her.

So... is there any chance he was into threesomes while with Diane Keaton?

Fuck off Harrop. You are the only one here freaking about rad gems. Jesus, you get around. As for Mia, her cred has just been shredded. She would have known how long Woody and this little chick had been together and was cool with it. She exposed her kids to an old perv. What will Roman say?

Mia tried to get Stacy Nelkin to testify against Woody during the custody battle. Stacy refused. I wonder why she didn't try to get this chick involved?

[quote] Fuck off Harrop. You are the only one here freaking about rad gems. Jesus, you get around. As for Mia, her cred has just been shredded. She would have known how long Woody and this little chick had been together and was cool with it. She exposed her kids to an old perv. What will Roman say?

I can't tell at what point in the relationship Mia showed up. Was the girl 20 when the threesomes happened? Also, we don't know if Allen told Farrow that he started fucking this girl when she was underage. It's not very likely that he'd tell her that.

There needs to be an intervention to take Sun-Yi's daughters than Woody Allen purchased over the internet for her to be taken away.

She said she was 16 when she started sleeping with Allen, and four years later she had a threesome with him and Farrow, so she was 20 by then.

Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand.

This whole Woody Allen/Mia Farrow saga has been going on coming 30 years (26 to be precise).

Maybe they should get back together, Mia adopts the kids that Soon-Yi & Woody purchased, Woody and Mia start making films together, formally tie the knot and live together and they just forgot about the past and move on.

They should have a reality show: Woody and Mia and Soon-Yi

Everyone saying Mia is evil forgets that most of John Farrow's and Maureen O'Sullivan's children are messed up. Patrick killed himself, John is in jail for sexual child abuse, Prudence was involved with Robert Durst when he murdered his wife, Tisa had a sketchy career in low budget Euro porno-horrors and has had trouble with DUIs and alcoholism for years, and there's probably plenty of other stuff we don't know.

Mia had no idea what Allen was doing was wrong, necessarily. He was physically abusive to Ronan so she had him go to a psychiatrist. He was "inappropriate" with Dylan so she had him go to another psychiatrist. Only when the pediatrician told her she legally had to report what young Dylan was telling her did Mia realize how bad Allen's behavior was.

I firmly believe the Farrow kids were abused and it's lead to most (maybe all) of those siblings having had lifelong problems because of it, and I'd bet through denial or other coping mechanisms they don't even realize it.

But Woody probably did. Predators pick out people they know are vulnerable.

That's why the teen girls Woody was banging when he was in his 40s all fudge their ages a little bit and say it was totally consensual and no big deal, because Allen KNEW to choose girls like that. Mia was just another choice of his designed to help him maintain the skeevy lifestyle he wanted.

R149, I'm betting because this lady has had such a sketchy career since her time with Allen, moving on to being Fellini's underage girlfriend and then working with Epstein, etc.

[quote]there is NO place for anyone to come to this site and attack men

Okay, crazypants, we'll stop attacking Trump and male GOPers and male gaybashers and homophobes and criminals just because you say so.

Her face seems rather tightly pulled back. I wonder if she got the facelift in preparation for her announcement.

[quote]we have our limits, missy

Embarrassing.

The guy going on at length about radfems and women infiltrating Datalounge where they're "not allowed" doesn't show up that often. He always claims to have been here 30 years but he's clueless about a lot of DL history, plus he didn't even start ranting about "radfems" until roughly 3 years ago when he started saying this stuff on the anti-T threads.

Ronan seems the only adjusted one in the family. I suppose having his mothers looks and fathers brains help. And he is in a healthy stable long term relationship which his parents can't seem to obtain.

[quote] Ronan seems the only adjusted one in the family.

If he was well adjusted he wouldn't need to try to change his identity by wearing contacts to change his eye color

LOL at the "Ronan wears contacts" troll.

So curious that we talk about celebrities wearing colored contacts on other threads frequently, yet never hear how it's a sign of them trying to psychotically change their identity. The closest I've seen was a "Angie is weird" comment in an Angelina Jolie thread recently.

[quote]The age of consent in New York is 17, so this girl was legal and the headline is incorrect.

She was 16, under the age of consent. Am I missing something here?

R164 That's never stopped Woody before. We don't know how long he groomed Sun-Yi for.

I used to firmly believe Woody when he said he never did any of the things he's accused of but over time I've begun to suspect that he could be guilty because looking back all the way to his earliest career as a stand up comic he always did obsess over pre pubescent girls in his act and later in his movies. The scene that stands out the most to me (now - I didn't think much about it when it first came out) was in Love and Death when Sonja asks the old Father Andre:

"Father, Boris is trying to commit suicide. Last week he contemplated killing himself by inhaling next to an Armenian.

Tell Boris this: I have lived many years and, after many trials and tribulations, I have come to the conclusion that the best thing is...

Yes?

..blonde, 12 year-old girls."

Agreed r165. What I meant was that the guy I quoted said she was legal, but if the age of consent was 17 then she WASN'T legal. I was trying to figure out why he thought she was 17 or older.

For all of the Frauen screaming to have "the children" removed from Woody and Soon-Yi They are 19 and 18 years old.

R168 The girls and Sun-Yi need to be removed. What has he done to them over the years? With his known history I fear for them. Its well known that Sun-Yi has the mental capacity of a 12 year old. Allen should have been jailed years ago.

R30, you don’t know what a pedaphile is. He isn’t one.

R170 Tell Dylan that! I believe he sexually assaulted a child and that's not right on any level.

Soon-Yi probably doesn't have the mental capacity of a 12-year-old. What Farrow and Previn said back during the trial was that Soon-Yi was in special classes and they were afraid her cognitive abilities were impaired.

Allen and Soon-Yi have characterized it as Mia "calling her retarded" but that doesn't seem to be the case -- if Mia called her "retarded" there is no proof or documentation of it.

It's interesting that Soon-Yi said in the interview a couple months ago that "I'd be a moron and an idiot, retarded, if I'd stayed with Mia." That really felt off, like it was just some everyday word she used in place of "stupid." She went on to say Mia called her retarded, and that she wasn't an "underaged, retarded flower."

Then Woody adds that everyone thinks "I raped and married my underaged, retarded daughter."

Mia has never spoken like that, but those two say "retarded" all the time. It's freaky.

Well, they are adults r169. They can remove themselves if they haven't already. Good luck getting adults "removed" from whatever familial situation you have fermented in your head.

Soon-Yi wrote this in 1992, where she says things like she "never had dealings with Woody" (when she was photographed with him on multiple outings) and that Mia and Woody had broken up before she even really started talking to Woody (which wasn't true). She says she fell for Woody when she was a psychology major, but that's a lie -- even Woody had said he thought fucking Soon-Yi would just be a fling for a few months before she left home for college. She was still in high school when they started sleeping together.

Probably the creepiest thing here is that she claimed to have conclusive proof of Mia abusing her and she was going to present it at a trial if one happened, but at the trial, she presented nothing. She had no proof; she was just threatening Mia publicly, making sure Mia knew she would do things that would hurt the other kids if Mia didn't settle with Woody out of court. Then they got to court and Soon-Yi had nothing. It was a bluff.

Note that she's already hinting in 1992 that Mia and her family have coached Dylan and brainwashed her. Allen started that defense immediately and now, 26 years later, people just take it as true.

R174 We really don't know when Allen starting penetrating Soon-Yi. Neither of them are going to tell the world.

All these posts and not one mention of the fact that Woody is a hideous, scrawny Jew? He may be the most brilliant director in the history of cinema, but the guy is fugly x10. I'd rather lick Chrissy Metz pussy on her period.

R176 I just threw up my dinner. Thanks.

I double dog dare you r176

Is this a joke about the Jude Law screwing kids movie? Otherwise - Is he insane? Is his manager insane? I do not understand.

I've linked an article from The Guardian. This paragraph stands out:

The interview includes a 2001 note from Allen, which Engelhardt says is the last time the director contacted her. The note reads: “I hope you’re happy and well. I recall our times together fondly. If you’re ever in New York I would love you to meet my wife — she’d like you. We get out to California every so often. If you’d like I’d call and perhaps we could all get together.”

Was Woody intending for a 3-way with Soon-Yi?

We know the Polaroids are from before she went to college, right?

The nude photos were in 1991 and she didn't go to university until 1992, per an old article that said she signed up for the fall 1992 semester. No one knows her age at the time but it was estimated to be 20 or 21, so she was probably not underage.

Anyone who believes that a man having a sexual relationship with a 17 year old girl= a man who therefore MUST have diddled his adopted daughter is a total lunatic.

did she say how long the 3 somes lasted? how many years?

woody and Jeffrey are neighbors. same hood just a few blocks apart.

R32, I’d venture to say that almost every straight man on the planet would fuck a teenaged girl if they thought they could get away with it.

I LOVED Woody Allen when I was a teenager, and I promise you, no way would I have EVER fucked him.

Let’s be honest, Woody is the original incel, but with talent.

Incels, take note. You too, can get laid, if you can write, and/or make people laugh!!!

Woody probably put an end to the wire tr

Woody probably put an end to the wire transfers, r16.

He is not AL ALL an incel if gets laid. Jesus, I wish everyone would stop using that word - as anything else than describing self named incel groups. Implying that being a virgin is evil, calling a highly sexually active perv who is married and had several LTR like Woody an incel, based on fucking what? That he is ... somewhat pathetic? Just stop.

Alright, already, r189.

Don’t get your glasses all steamed up in a huff, Alvin.

You're missing the point, dear R189. They were saying that Woody would have been a classic incel if he hadn't been successful, and other incels should take note, because they too could shake off the scarlet letter I if they followed Woody's game plan.

More and more clear that the asshole on here defending Allen and attacking Mia are paid. And perhaps only one person. They just repeat the same false talking point over and over.

r191 Being smart and especially successful always got you laid. That is a stupid point. Everyone would be a classic incel IF they were unremarkable, ugly assholes with no social skills. Duh. Woody is just an ugly asshole, but apparently has a lot to offer to make up for it. (So much so he could have had consenting adult famous women as much as he'd like, but that doesn't satisfy his tastes) This information helps no one.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Then don't forget that Woody has far too much criminal energy to remain involuntarily celibate, even if he couldn't get consensual sex. Calling him incel is an insult to all incels who - very much unlike Woody Allen - are so celibate they don't rape kids. What Woody Allen is is a classic grooming pedophile creep with an incest kink.

People do not freak out because Manhatten exists, nor because Woody Allen dated a 17 or 16 year old or two at that time. It's just part of a whole round picture with Woody Allen, one that includes marrying a stepdaughter and being accused of sexual molestation by an adoptive daughter. One that includes him stating in a movie and in an interview(!) that his sexual preference are 12 year old girls. So this defense of WA using other men also dating 17 year old girls at some point is either dishonest or idiotic.

All the people saying "it was known about woody, he didn't try to hide it"

Will you now finally admit Dylan wasn't lying about her accusations? Since all of you want to now admit he is a pedophile, surely there's not grounds to say accusations from ANOTHER person are indeed credible?

R196, I’m not attempting to discount Dylan’s experiences. I believe her, and I have always been a fan of Allen’s films. So please let me be clear, I have no loyalty to Allen, due to being a fan of his work.

What I am highlighting via my post regarding Jerry Seinfeld, as a result of this story breaking, is that dating teenagers wasn’t seen as a philia of some sort, just a few decades ago. It really was a different time.

When I was a teenager, I had lots of men who were much older than me, pursuing me. Just like Seinfeld ‘s ex, I had the body of a woman when I was 16. And yes, I went out on dates with older men, all the time. They actually had cars, and enough money to take me out to dinner at very pricey restaurants. I personally never felt as if though I was being used, or abused. I genuinely liked these guys, or I wouldn’t have gone out with them.

To me, Allen isn’t a creep because he was messing around with teenagers. He is a creep because he went after the daughter of his girlfriend, and mother of his children. He’s a creep because he sexualized his little girl.

Allen is a self indulgent asshole, absolutely. But he did nothing out of the ordinary by hooking up with a 16 year old in the 1970s. It REALLY was a different time back then.

Thank you for that very reasonable sentence, r183.

Honest to god, I don't know what it is about these WA threads, but they lure in every ignoramus on the DL. Just a few random corrections: Allen was never married to Mia Farrow; Soon-yi was not--either de facto or de jure-- his stepdaughter; sexual attraction to 16 year olds is not pedophilia; courts do not have the power to "remove" Soon-yi and/or her adult children from Allen's home because some DL dope is horrified by Allen's actions.

And you should all learn to (a) read; (b) spell; and (c) read with basic comprehension. We'll save critical thinking for another day, since very few people posting in this thread show any potential for that.

Oh, and r198, "philia" is not a real word.

[quote]That is a stupid point.

If that's your beef, you should have said so in the first place. Instead of deliberately misunderstanding what they were saying so you could call them stupid, what you really meant was that you just disagreed with them.

And it's not necessarily accurate to say Woody has something to offer. Every woman who has ever praised him was fucking him when she was underage or wanting to get a role in one of his movies. He may simply have had the same thing Harvey Weinstein had to offer: clout in Hollywood, and nothing else.

R199 We've heard the arguments re the Allen/Farrow family tree from every Allen apologist since this sorry saga began, we know he wasn't related but his behavior toward his longtime girlfriend's daughter was still gross and he entirely deserves his ruined reputation.

I remember a lot of people calling him out, R194, and I suspect more people didn't because he and NBC spent a lot of money to keep it quiet.

Yes, it was a different time, and yes, People Magazine did a lot of heavy lifting in normalizing these kinds of relationships. They did the same with Bogdanovich in the 1990s after his wife was finally old enough to go out in public with. But for a while you couldn't watch a stand-up set on cable without hearing at least one "Seinfeld is a nasty old perv" joke.

Allen's PR defender is contradicting himself, he must be pretty rattled. Everyone supposedly knew Allen was a pedophile the whole time yet the assault on Dylan is still not believable, despite him openly starting a relationship with a different child of Mias

Allen is a pedophile, that much is clear. The person defending him here, paid or not is a monster. Zero chance he didn't adopt two more girls so he could molest them, like he has molested many others.

No, r202, the majority of these posters consistently refer to Soon-yi as Allen's "stepdaughter" and to his relationship with Farrow as a marriage. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but the Allen detractors think nothing of misstating facts to arrive at their squirrely conclusions or engaging in weird circular reasoning based on a misunderstanding of events. The most salient example of this is stating that Woody slept with a young (but not a minor) Soon-yi and extrapolating from that that he is a molester of 7 year old girls.

You should all go look up "pedophile."

And as a prime example of the intellectual vacuity of the comments here, I give you r205.

There are plenty of perfectly sane replies on this thread that call Allen out, R199. The people who get confused or go overboard with their comments aren't representative of most people who know what Woody Allen did was illegal and unethical.

He has a history of sleeping with teens under the age of consent, first of all.

Second, Soon-Yi was adopted in 1978, and Mia began seeing Woody in 1979, so Woody was Soon-Yi's mother's boyfriend since almost the beginning.

Finally, Woody was still in a relationship with Mia, who had told him he needed to get professional help for being physically abusive to Ronan and being obsessive and inappropriate with Dylan. While he's in therapy for all that, he starts fucking Ronan's and Dylan's adopted sister Soon-Yi.

There's no defense for any of that.

And they're wrong, R205.

That doesn't make Woody any less responsible for fucking underage girls and abusing his own kids.

add to the hall of fame r198, who referred to "some sort of philia" in her post.

Other than idiots in this and other WA threads, who EVER said Allen was abusing his own kids. This is beyond irresponsible, r208.

Not plausible to think he isn't abusing the girls who adopted with Soon Yi, when he has taken every other opportunity he has had (and indeed sought many out) to abuse underage girls. You're living in a fantasy world if you think he makes some exception for those girls

They were adopted SO he could abuse them

Using people's confusion of the facts to absolve Allen does you no credit R199 . If a neighbor had behaved as he has I'd think of him as poorly as I do Allen, that Allen used to make decent movies should not shield him.

Court documents, R210.

Seriously, you've been complaining for an hour about "ignorant" people telling lies, and here you are trying to say it's not been documented by witnesses and experts that Woody Allen physically abused Ronan Farrow.

Okay, from Vanity Fair:

[quote]Ronan, at three, had kicked Allen, and Allen had twisted the child’s leg until he screamed. According to court testimony in the second trial, in June 1996, Ronan’s psychiatrist testified that on a supervised visit to Allen’s apartment in 1995, Ronan, then seven, reported that he had kicked Allen, who then grabbed him by the neck with both hands and threw him down on the couch. Shortly thereafter, the supervised visits were suspended.

From the judge's ruling in the case:

[quote]Dr. Coates attempted to teach Mr. Allen how to interact with Satchel. She encouraged him to be more understanding of his son when Satchel ignored him or acted bored with his gifts. Apparently, success in this area was limited.

[quote]In 1991, in the presence of Ms. Farrow and Dylan, Mr. Allen stood next to Satchel's bed, as he did every morning. Satchel screamed at him to go away. When Mr. Allen refused to leave, Satchel kicked him. Mr. Allen grabbed Satchel's leg, started to twist it. Ms. Farrow testified that Mr. Allen said "I'm going to break your fucking leg." Ms. Farrow intervened and separated Mr. Allen from Satchel. Dylan told the Connecticut State Police about this incident.

R213 That poster doesn't give a damn about facts. Their only goal is to try and discredit any negative story or comment about Allen

Agreed, R214. They'll probably run off now that they realize they can't just say "you're all liars" over and over again.

Here's the full text of the court ruling, by the way.

We weren't discussing Ronan Farrow, r213, and I wasn't referring to his relationship with Allen in any of my posts. The topic has been his sexual relationships.

And I'm not trying to absolve Allen of anything, r212; I'm lamenting that not one person in this entire thread seems able to address these issues intelligently.

It must just be a co-incidence that your heartfelt plea for an intelligent study of matters leans so heavily in favor of Allen R216

You think "intelligence" is defending pedophilia and thank God but almost no one agrees with you. If you don't like denouncements of pedophilia then scurry somewhere else. This isn't a thread meant to coddle your lack of a moral compass.

I think "intelligence" would include reading a definition of pedophilia, but I understand that would take the wind out of your sails. And you can take that tone of arch moral superiority and shove it up your gaping asshole.

Have a pleasant day.

the argument the pro Allen type are promoting R218 is that it's hyperbolic to describe Allen as a pedophile, one unproven accusation from Dylan and the fact he seduced his wife's young daughter ( not his own daughter, so that's OK ) just make him a bit sleazy in their view , their love of his work won't allow any further stain. Factually they are correct , his accuser is unproven and it's sleazy to fuck your longtime girlfriend's daughter but not illegal, what they don't like is he is now a deserved pariah regardless. He seems like a shitty person and I'm happy he is seen as such by most people.

Actually, I haven't loved Allen's work for years--if we were actually discussing his work, that would be a conversation. Nor do I doubt that he's a peculiar and maybe unlikable person. Stain the hell out of him if you will--just base your attacks on facts and reasoned arguments.

Interesting that you're complaining about all the misinformation yet (a) spouted some lies of your own and (b) said nothing about the guy earlier in the thread who lied and said this actress, at age 16, was over the age of consent. She wasn't.

You also don't seem to think actual, empirical evidence means anything, and despite multiple people providing links and proof, you say "no one" is "intelligent" enough to discuss the issue.

r121 you make a good point. Mia knew what it was like being into an older man. She understood what a young woman would find attractive about it because she had been in the same space. It also depends on whether this was regular practice for Woody and Mia or if Mia was just giving it a try. Women do this kind of thing to help keep their relationship, Jane Fonda even spoke about having a threesome with Vadim and another woman. She was trying to make her husband, Vadim, happy by obliging him with a threesome. You also have to consider the time period. Watch the movie "The Ice Storm". Coming out of the 70's where everyone was experimenting. Experimenting with drugs, sex and alternative relationships. At that time if you were out of high school you were looked at as being a full on adult with all the responsibilities that come with it. It is not like now where even people in their 20's are being doted on by their parents and thought of as still being children.

I'm not excusing Mia but context is important, was this behavior a regular part of their lives or was it once or twice? There is also a huge difference between a 20 year old and a 13 year old.

[quote]not one person in this entire thread seems able to address these issues intelligently.

I have. You've either ignored what I said or gone off on a tangential issue so you didn't have to address my comments directly.

[quote]just base your attacks on facts and reasoned arguments.

I'll be happy to post more facts and reasoned arguments once you start acknowledging them, instead of vaguely waving your hands around and claiming everyone here is of sub-par intelligence. I'd bet the several others who have posted solid, worthwhile comments would be happy to as well, but you're dismissing everyone here, acting in bad faith by claiming everyone is responsible for one or two confused posters.

Any time you want to make a substantial argument with links, proof, and/or evidence, do so. If all you want to do is whine that a couple people confused ephebophilia with pedophilia, then sorry, I don't have time in my day to waste on that. It's irrelevant and a distraction technique.

Really, r224? Who are you? What were your posts.

r135 you don't see a difference between knowing your man likes twinks ---- to knowing he likes fucking pre pubescent boys and children?

To be sure it's a slippery slope being fixated on twinks because what's to keep you from degenerating to younger and younger? Back when Mia and Woody were married people did not talk about or know as much about child molestation as we do now. Now it's everywhere and now if it's going on and you don't spot it you have to be willfully participating or willfully ignoring.

In the early 70's when I was a teen do you think any of us suspected the cool neighbor guy who would have us over to watch porn with him on his Beta max machine? He was just being cool right? Time period matters in this discussion because what no one would alarm about back then should send out massive signals now. We know more because the world has gotten oh so much darker. It is possible Mia was just being game for her husband. Context.

I'm the one who posted proof that Allen physically abused Ronan and was in therapy for that, as well as his behavior toward Dylan. You said:

[quote]Other than idiots in this and other WA threads, who EVER said Allen was abusing his own kids. This is beyond irresponsible, r208.

I posted court documents, to which you said you hadn't been talking about Ronan at all. But you obviously were referring to Allen's "own kids," and that's Ronan and Dylan. You just didn't like being shown that Allen was physically abusing at least one of his own kids, and it was well documented.

You're not really discussing this in good faith, you know. You have absolutely no call to be saying others are liars and ignorant when you act this way.

lol r209 and half of the other posts in this thread. What do you think you win by trying to "correct" some little details.

Everyone understands what the poster meant by "some kind of philia". That way of making up words on the internet is not a big deal except for people on the spectrum.

It makes zero difference whether Woody and Mia were married, none. The LT boyfriend of the mother is referred to as a stepfather always, especially when he kills or abuses the kids and this hits the media, here in Europe. I could almost swear the same is the case in the US, you are just 100 years old and haven't noticed that no one cares that much about marriage anymore or you are being deliberately obtuse. Hint: We don't look down on bastards anymore either, and they can inherit!

Woody Allen groomed Soon-Yi because he is a creep who wanted to fuck his step daughter specifically and everyone with a brain can see that. Considering he makes no secret of finding 12 yo's the height of sexual attractiveness, you'd be pretty daft to assume it started when she was off age.

What is your angle on this R225 ? Horror at the lack of intelligence displayed here and finger wagging at incorrect terminology seems your main concern. I think Allen has a character unworthy of adulation and I'm glad he isn't on a pedestal an longer, what do you think?

r229: My "angle," if I have one, is that it's fine that Allen's no longer on a pedestal. I wouldn't disagree that he's not a sterling character. What I think? I object to posters basically inventing "facts" and scenarios that don't exist as far as we know--just to drive home their point that he's a shitty guy.

r227: I interpreted Allen's "own kids"--in the context of the current discussion--to mean his two adopted daughters with Soon-yi.

[quote]I object to posters basically inventing "facts" and scenarios that don't exist

LOL

You're yelling that you just want to hear established facts, then when you're given facts, you claim they're lies and everyone is ignorant and irresponsible.

Go away, you're boring now.

It's not invention to just believe his daughter's testimony. She was his own kid as much as the new ones.

I’ve always thought that Allen became involved with Soon-Yi at a far younger age than ever he or Soon-Yi have ever admitted to. That’s why he’s still with her now. If he’d refused to take her in after Mia threw her out then his reputation would have been destroyed (especially if Soon-Yi had talked about how young she was when he really started messing with her).

R38 Gay men don't use drag to draw in other gay men's sexual desires, you fucking illiterate Black lady. It's well known that drag is a turn OFF to gay men.

Easy 234.

Were the words Black lady used instead of the racial epithet you wanted to interject?

Don't bring someone's color into a discussion unless it is relevant the discussion, in this case, it had no relevance.

Bring as much snark and pointless bitchery as you want but leave someone's color out of it. Unless it's your desire to let your racism and bigotry fly for all of us to see.

Your quote ' I wouldn't disagree that he's not a sterling character.' sounds like something dragged out of an uncooperative witness R230 and I still wonder why his lack of character is less of an issue for you than him being earmarked as a pedophile when he's just a run of the mill dirty old man..

r234 This is not well known what. So. Ever. You sound completely delusional. Your taste is your taste, but many gay men like to play with drag and find it sexy enough.

[quote]Meanwhile I can't believe Mia was into eating 20 year old carpet. Damn girl, get yours!

She was not "into" it. The overwhelming majority of the times, FMF threesomes are about the desire of the man, not that of the women.

And this was no exception:

[quote]“I felt sick,” Engelhardt wrote in a manuscript about meeting Farrow. “I didn’t want to be there at all..."

[quote]...

[quote]As of Farrow, Engelhardt said, “I always had the impression that she was doing this because he wanted it.”

I'm not r234 but r237 is absolutely bullshitting.

It IS a very well known fact that drag queens have a rough deal in the gay dating scene because gay men are turned off by the whole thing. Is that a surprise to you - that gay men dislike femininity when it comes to sex?

Now, it may be that some drags think they're cute with their makeup on, or that they're replicating the heterosexual ideal of female beauty well with their high heels and collants, but that's different from their being lusted after by other gay men, which is what your sleight of hand seems to be implying based on drag queens' opinions of themselves.

[quote][R234] This is not well known what. So. Ever. You sound completely delusional. Your taste is your taste, but many gay men like to play with drag and find it sexy enough.

Are you seriously trying to claim that drag queens are sex symbols for gay men when in drag? I'm fairly certain that for most us they are are instant turnoffs.

I find it really interesting that so many people who were sexually abused as children, also claim to have had real life contact with extra terrestrials.

I have been in AA for a long time. I’ve relapsed several times, however, I have been sober for long periods of time, & have been sober for most of my adulthood.

Anyhow, through those years in AA, I’ve sponsored several women, and almost all of my friends are in AA.

Many young women who have confided in me regarding childhood sexual abuse, have also told me that they have been abducted by aliens.

I suppose it’s a mechanism used to disassociate during the abuse.

Christina claims that she had been sexually abused on a regular basis, before meeting Allen.

Here’s her story regarding abduction:

WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING about this lame asshole? Aren't there people making great films out there we can discuss?

Yeah, yeah, I read the thread title, but that's the thing, this guy will be dead and we'll talk about the films we liked and the rest of the shit will always be a nasty little footnote.

Time to move on from the pedophiles and fuckwads like Weinstein. Those days are done and done.

The best place for this one and other like it are the dustbin of oblivion. I have a feeling his films will not age well.

r240, the user at r238 is trying a very subtle sleight of hand - he's mentioning drag queens' supposed experience of THEMSELVES as being sexy in order to imply that the gay men who watch them want to fuck them.

R243, have you ever watched any of his films?

The man is almost 90. His films have already aged, and have done so, very well.

Why the fuck do you think people are still talking about him???

The man is brilliant, regardless of his deviancy.

Sorry to be a thread nerd but I don't think R238 said that, R244 -- which reply did you mean?

r239 I think there are many gay men who would prefer to separate themselves from femininity because it makes them targets in the world. After all the straight world tends to push all of us into a (we are like women) category because we have sex with other men. It is always so very important to them who among us take it up the ass, fulfilling the feminine role. We are safer if we divorce ourselves from femininity all together. So yeah we then turn our back on queeny guys and drag queens.

Drag queens don't live in drag 24/7. They have their boy drag and many are quite hot out of drag. I get it if gay guys aren't attracted to a man in drag but that is not the point. Drag is an expression, most of the time it has nothing to do with the personal life of the guy doing drag. It's a shame a lot of guys can't separate the boy from his drag.

r246 You're right, r238 is actually myself. I meant r237.

JFC, this thread isn’t about drag!!!

I don't find Allen brilliant, mainly because his best work is little more than an Americanization of better, more important European films.

He's also limited, as seen in BLUE JASMINE, where he couldn't make San Francisco look like SF even though he was right there. It was New York Lite through the whole film. And he took STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE and de-sexed it and dumbed it down, which just rankled me all to heck. Adding in the little jabs at Mia (Jasmine turns in her famous husband, her kids change their names and avoid her, etc.) was indulgent and didn't help the film.

He has been a great wit etc., but of his time R245 . We are living through the period during which Film luminaries of yesteryear are dropping from public consciousness, it's to be seen who survive. Obviously movie buffs and academics will be informed, but I doubt many who we now consider legends will be known to the public at large in the future.

R241 my best friend in middle school was molested and also said the same thing, that she was abducted in her childhood, not by aliens but by demons. I don't think she still thinks that. It is probably some sort of coping mechanism.

Part of why I get so worked up with these WA threads is I've heard it all before. Her molester was a prominent man in my town, people insisted she was lying and being manipulated by her father. Other people tried to say it was just no big deal.

That man is in jail now because he was eventually caught in the act with someone else. But he had many victims because people insisted on defending him as long as possible, like with Woody.

r236: you still wonder why his lack of character is less an issue for me than his being earmarked as a pedophile rather than just your basic dirty old man. Seriously? Even conceding that pedophilia is a mental disorder, its practitioners are perpetrating vile and heinous acts on helpless children. Compare and contrast with run-of-the-mill dirty old men. This isn't a distinction without a difference. You really think it's appropriate to slap a pedo label on somebody you dislike or whose character you find lacking? You honestly think it's okay to accuse someone of criminal behavior when what you really mean is that he's gross and you want consensus?

I give up.

R118 You are a complete fucking moron. Read the law in NYS deary. Woody Allen is a fucking perv and broke the law.

You dimwit. This statute doesn't set a different age of consent when an older man is involved--which is what you (or someone) asserted. What it does do, which is sensible, is to provide a little wiggle room when both parties are close to the same age---for example, two high school seniors: the boy has had his 18th birthday and the girl won't be 18 till later in the year.

It doesn't offer the same wiggle room for an "adult" and an under-age person. Nor should it.

Based on the statutory language, Allen would be liable for sex acts with this current loony toon and with Stacy Whatsername. He wouldn't be liable for a sexual relationship with Soon-yi despite their age difference, because she was at least 18 (or 19 or 21, depending on what article you read) at the time and consequently not protected by the statute. If there were a statute prohibiting sleazy behavior with the adopted daughter of your girlfriend, I suppose he would have been arrested--but there isn't.

Either read more carefully or learn to express your arguments clearly.

Have I understood it correctly that the only ones claiming Allen is a pedo are Mia Farrow and her kids whom she apparently coached to lie? Sex with a 16 year old girl can certainly be frowned upon but the adult doing it is hardly a pedophile.

People using the term pedophile with people who have sex with girls and boys in their late teens are totally muddying the waters with their incorrect use of the word. It makes pedophilia more acceptable since it practically equates having sex with 10-12 year olds with having sex with 16 year olds. We all fully well know there's a big difference between those two.

R255 WRONG. I'm not surprised that a brain addled fool such as yourself didn't know about this. Stop twisting things you fool. It is clear as the day is long. He should be in prison of having sex with a girl when she is 17 and he is over 21 ! He happened to be well over 21 when he had sex with those girls. IN addition he had sex with Soon Yi when she was what....16?

Thank you, r256. Apparently no one else on this thread was capable of checking the definition of pedophile.

r257, ignorant and stubborn is a lethal combination.

R256 WTF? If you have sex with a 16 year old you are supposed to end up in prison just the same. It is statutory rape. Same thing with a 17 year old when their sexual partner is over 21. In Allen's case he was over 40 when he broke the law. A 41 year old and 16 year old having sex in The United States is not a norm at all. Maybe in some third world but not here.

Who knows what age Soon Yee was when he started fucking her? Wasn't the little beast a feral child when adopted?

Here is a direct quote from Allen

[quote] “I’m open-minded about sex. I’m not above reproach; if anything, I’m below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him.” Allen pauses. “Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone,” he ventures helplessly. “I admit to it all.”

That is PEDOPHILIA.

Allen's tongue was planted firmly in his cheek, r261.

R261, that's hardly a confession.

R258 You are like one of those revisionist history morons. Woody broke the law in NYS and should be in jail. However you are a blatant shill for him. Why is that? Do you have sex like he does? I wouldn't be surprised........... you type like a pervert!

R262 Thanks. Allen is most certainly a sick fuck.

Dylan was 7 when she alleged Woody molested.

He's a pedophile, and no amount of pathetic defense from you assholes will change that. He should be in jail. He should never have been allowed to adopt children

Again I hope you are being paid, if you genuinely just enjoy defending pedophiles, you're sick, and not much better than Allen

It’s interesting that a young lady with little education, worked as an assistant to Epstein and Fellini.

I’m not snarking when I say that I think she’s highly intelligent. But let’s face it, she was bought and paid for, and someone was generous enough to support her for most of her life, and get her a home, however modest, in Beverly Hills. No way did she make her money by legit acting gigs.

Also, I don’t believe her back story about growing up in NY/NJ. I believe she was trafficked in straight from Germany. Epstein has trafficked in various girls from Europe. They usually live with him until they’re out of the game, which happens fairly young for these girls.

From what I understand, he gets them out of orphanages, or buys them from their families or other traffickers.

I think that as Americans, we need to stop all of this moral indignation over a 16 year old having sex. The real problem here is that our country has a human trafficking issue, and yes, the rich and famous are always there to get in line.

Jeffrey Epstein is nothing but a piece of shit, high lever trafficker. He should’ve spent the rest of his life in prison.

I’m willing to bet good money that this girl met Allen through Epstein. WTF is a girl from Jersey doing at Elaine’s, when she was 16???

R260 WTF does her being a feral child have to do with Woody Allen screwing her when she was underage? deflect ,deflect,deflect that's what you people do. You should go work for Trump you deflect so much!

Did Woody buy those kids on sale from another country? I can't imagine a legitimate adoption with his past.

as 262 proves, the people claiming Allen is a pedophile also include Woody Allen. But that was just a joke. Like when he stated 12 year old blonde girls are the tastiest treats in life in his movies. Or countless other examples I'm trying to forget.

He just so happens to be obsessed with 16 year olds, while claiming to be obsessed with 12 year olds, while being accused of inappropriate behavior with his tiny daughter by many onlookers, psychiatrists and judges, while being accused of sexual molestation by the same girl when she was 7, while having firmly tongue in cheek inappropriate father-daughter relationships in his movies. Stuff happens! I would not jump to conclusions here, guys.

[quote]I get it if gay guys aren't attracted to a man in drag but that is not the point.

That's exactly the point, because church lady at r38 is trying to insinuate that gay men sexually objectify child drags. Try to pay attention.

Who hasn't experienced the same set of coincidences, r271? It's just the common American experience: fuck underage girls, joke about fucking underage girls, make movies about fucking underage girls, then get accused by hysterics of fucking underage girls!

Is Mia Farrow posting here again? Now that's one sick cunt. I tend to believe the kid who said she was a monster and abused them, and coached Dylan.

I'm R256 and I'm not saying Allen didn't break the law. However having sex with late teens people does not make one a pedophile, and people claiming otherwise are just making pedophiles a service.

Now adult people, especially the older ones, having sex with teens can certainly be disgusting. However I've said it here before in Singer threads that 16 year olds are not little kids anymore. They know what they are doing IF they go around looking for sex with adults. Imagining Woody Allen having sex with anyone is revolting, and obviously even more when he was over 40 and the girl was only 16. However Mia Farrow's revenge trip is making Woody Allen seem more like a victim.

You can always spot a hebephile because he will die arguing with you that sex with underage teens is not the same as pedophilia.

Above, you can see, at r274, an excellent example of a hebephile making a typical hebephilic argument.

r274 is just going to pretend Allen wasn't accused of fucking a 7 year old and hasn't himself admitted he likes girls MUCH younger than 15

So strange that Woodys "jokes" seem to align with actual allegations. What an unlucky guy for someone to accuse him of something he said he does!

Like many of us, I have been following this shit-fest since the 90s. I loathe Woody Allen now, after having enjoyed his films as a rather pretentious gayling in the 80s. He seemed 'deep' when I was too young to understand the difference between verbosity and erudition. Farrow was a radiant 60s icon. But the conclusion I have reached is that they are both extremely sick people, who, during their heyday, were cosseted and indulged by the media due to their status as high-brow American artists. I found this image. It makes me want to throw up. Look at the way he's sticking his fingers up the girl's sleeve. That's sexual. He's a predatory abuser and I will fucking raise a glass when I learn of his death.

So what do all of you Woody haters want? You think he’s gonna end up in jail? Wrong!

He’s a sick fuck, but unless the DA decides to pursue charges, nothing will happen to him. He’ll be dead soon enough. He will never be held legally accountable. Only rich, old black men end up doing time.

[quote]Many young women who have confided in me regarding childhood sexual abuse, have also told me that they have been abducted by aliens.I suppose it’s a mechanism used to disassociate during the abuse.

That's exactly what it is. Dissociation is a common response to overwhelming trauma. And it can become a life-long maladaptive coping strategy, triggered by everyday stresses.

I think you are delusional, r278.

R275, having sex with late teens people is NOT pedophilia. Claiming it is is making pedophiles look better. You do get that?

And no, I don't fancy guys that young. I had to make up my mind about people that young having sex with adults when all the Bryan Singer brouhaha started. Yes, adults having sex with people in their late teens is not ideal, and it most certainly can be damaging for the younger ones. However as someone who started living on his own at 17 and saw tons friends and classmates start having sex at 14 or 15 I don't see late teens people being young kids. Some absolutely are, there's no question about. When I was in my 20s and had sex with guys in their early 20s I was amazed how immature some were, I mean seriously. But those are not the kind of people who go to Singer's pool parties or try to jump in bed with famous movie directors.

R278, come on. That looks sexual to you?

....Well, either that or they really were abducted by aliens, r280.

[quote]In the early 70's when I was a teen do you think any of us suspected the cool neighbor guy who would have us over to watch porn with him on his Beta max machine?

I love you R226

R282 also wants to ignore Woody's comments about 12 year old girls and Dylan's accusations. What a fantasy world he lives in

Mia and her story will now begin to publicly unravel. Serious wake-up call for some of her children to follow.

Well, now we’re all going to wonder if Mia and Woody were having threesomes with Soon-Yi, yes? Mia flipped out when she learned that Soon-Yi and Woody were having twosomes, leaving her behind.

This actually makes a lot of sense to me.

JFC, these people are sick AF.

Brilliant, r287: you spun up a scenario out of thin air, ratified it, and pronounced judgment on the participants.

And that's been the M.O. of most posters on this and the other Allen/Mia/Whomever threads.

R274 Fooling around with Dylan makes him a pedophile deary. She was coached? She is still going around making claims about allen and not about Farrow. woody has always been a twisted and sick pervert. He also broke the law in NYS by having sex with girls that were illegal to boot. I wonder if the same people would defend Michael Jackson if such a thread existed.

r268 [quote]I think that as Americans, we need to stop all of this moral indignation over a 16 year old having sex.

16 year olds having sex with other 16 year olds is normal and healthy as far as I'm concerned. As the uncle of two nieces I would have beat bloody any adult male that put a hand on them. Period. Even if they consented. I'd explain to my nieces why I would do such a thing and we would have a good long talk about everything else that touches on this topic.

A grown man should not have sex with a girl or boy in high school.

[quote][R282] also wants to ignore Woody's comments about 12 year old girls and Dylan's accusations. What a fantasy world he lives in

I read stories from various sources about Dylan's accusations in one of our last Allen threads and they seemed fabricated, especially after her stepbrother said Mia was coaching the kids in various ways.

I've never really followed Allen but I vaguely remember him always having this almost Andy Warhol-like fake persona when giving interviews. Meaning you have to take everything he said with a grain of salt since he was playing a role of a neurotic and sex hungry super nerd.

Is Allen a pedophile? I haven't seen any proof of that, but that doesn't mean he isn't. However Mia Farrow seems to be such a mommie dearest character that I seriously doubt anything coming from her camp. Allen most certainly is into teen girls and is probably a hebephile. That's not exactly that uncommon, at least judging by the state of straight porn these days. And let's not forget things apparently were a bit more lax in the 70s. I was a baby at the time but I've read rock stars had teen groupies following them and having sex with them all the time. Allen making a joke about having sex with 12 year olds should probably be understood from that perspective.

R291 is the queen of deflection. We are talking about Allen Konisgberg AKA Woody Allen here not rock stars from the 70s. Woody committed statutory rape several times in NYS. The vast majority of men who screw 16 and 17 year olds who are in their forties should end up in jail according to the spirit and the letter of the law. If he wasn't a celebrated director he wouldn't have been protected by shills here.

Oh, come on. What sort of protection do you suppose anyone on DL (or any "shill" anywhere) is able to give him.

Why is everything on this thread presented in a breathless tone of high drama?

Was this Pedophilia?

Account by Maureen O'Sullivan and Tisa Farrow form a Vanity Fair article:

...Vanity Fair did a long story, detailing accounts by Maureen O’Sullivan, Mia Farrow’s mother, who says she saw inappropriate activity like Allen rubbing sunscreen where he shouldn’t:

One summer day in Connecticut, when Dylan was four and Woody was applying suntan lotion to her nude body, he alarmed Mia’s mother, actress Maureen O’Sullivan, and sister Tisa Farrow when he began rubbing his finger in the crack between her buttocks. Mia grabbed the lotion out of his hand, and O’Sullivan asked, “How do you want to be remembered by your children?” “As a good father,” Woody answered. “Well, that’s interesting,” O’Sullivan replied. “It only lasted a few seconds, but it was definitely weird,” says Tisa Farrow.

So how much do people get paid by gossip rags for these types of stories??? And why didn’t Woody offer her a match, or more?

I wonder if he has been paying women off for decades now?

The woman in this story said Mia was groomed, which makes sense. Both her husbands were old. So it started when Mia was young. Woody, being a predator, new just what to look for. Mia was perfect. Already groomed so she’ll miss the telling signs of her children being abused. Plus the sexual encounter with the three of them happened when the woman was 20...not illegal. Obviously something went down in her early childhood that also involved her brother. I don’t know a lot about her father, just that he made movies, but she sure was looking for a father figure once she came of age.

The woman in the story may not be a reliable narrator.

Well, she told her story. Said she has no regrets (gross)! So she not vilifying Woody or Mia. She is proving that Woody is a monster, whether she regrets it or not. And there seems to be a sadder story for Mia’s early childhood. Adopting unwanted kids...she trying to make up for what she never had. This is purely speculation, but the dots seem to be connecting.

and yet another melodramatic story is spun up--this one by r298 from r296's speculations about the Farrow family, and in a trice it becomes a DL truth. "The dots seem to be connecting." Hence, it must be so.

Poor, poor Mia, trying to make up for what she never had.

Well speaking from someone who spent their early years up to age 5 being molested and then again in high school, I’m speaking from experience. And transference is a real thing. I’m not saying this is what happened, but victims do follow a similar path. Choosing a person they know is wrong for them but mentally doing it cuz it’s familiar and all they know.

I don't doubt you're speaking from experience, r300, but you're grafting your experience onto a speculative scenario posited by another poster who has no idea what he's talking about.

If it’s the comment before yours...that was me!

The real story about Woody Allen won’t come out until he’s dead. I’d bet money that after he’s gone someone will finally come forward and prove what a disgusting little perv he is.

Mariel Hemingway wasn’t quiet about her experience with Woody. It just seems like no one wants to listen. Like he’s going to make a good movie someday. So this will all be worth it...ughhh!

R21 why not? This is an anonymous board. Or are you too close (to the subjects) for comfort?

listen, just because they are court documents, doesn't make them more legit. Parents lie all the time in bitter divorce cases. They make false statements to the courts. They accuse sexual abuse just so they can get custody or whatever...

I think Woody is a perv. Mia is crazy. no winners in this shit show.

R36

[quote] .........who loves young girls......

underage girls

Jeffrey has an egg shaped penis. He had an assistant who got him young high school girls to come massage him and his cock. He went to prison for that.

hardly a news flash, r308.

The people most vociferous about Woody Allen, are old Jews who love Israel.

And when I say "most vociferous about Woody Allen", I mean their defenders, of course.

Why was Epstein given such a light sentence? He should have gone to jail for a long time after what he did, yet he got day release and barely served a year.

Thanks for clarifying, bigot at r311.

R253 I am doubtful of your zeal to protect the wrongfully accused. You said 'You really think it's appropriate to slap a pedo label on somebody you dislike or whose character you find lacking? You honestly think it's okay to accuse someone of criminal behavior when what you really mean is that he's gross and you want consensus?' ........................ You act as if Allen has been pilloried simply because he is unlikable, but he has an earned a very unsettling sexual reputation via his daughter's accusation and his morally dubious attitude to families and appropriate sexual contact therein. Given those circumstances it's quite reasonable for people to have a dim view of said individual. I still wonder why you are so keen to spare Allen, there are much more more worthy recipients of your guardianship who have been genuinely wrongfully accused, Allen isn't worth wasting your time on.

234 - You stay there defending sexual exploitation. What possible other reason could a non talented boy who can't even dance ( if we suspend disbelief and legitimise why he was in a nightclub at NIGHT) be getting money thrown at him.? It's not a child doing a salsa or samba, showing skill or anything; the boy aint got no TALENT and is having money thrown at him in what could only be interpreted as a sexual exploitative move.

You dismiss all the evidence in front of you, chastise me as "illiterate black lady," ( I remember when the black lady who originally lifted the lid on the Children's homes in Islington, London being a hive of gay paedophilia, she was accused of "homophobia", and lost her job too. Well she was right. And now we know that Britain's foremost, gay, "human rights " campaigner is a paedophile "enabler" at the very best and Jeremy Corbyn was one of the "Islington naysayers", too), take my comment personally and don't discuss what could be possibly going on. I notice this in all types of people who don't want to see child sexual exploitation RIGHT in front of them. "Sex positives" of the female disposition try and deny trafficking of underage girls because it skews their "happy hooker " narrative. Peter Tatchell denies it when he hears his adult friends say that they had sex with adults at age nine and they say "it did them no harm" instead of saying, "nah mate, you were nonced," he wants the age of consent put down to age fourteen. Mothers of adult children, on having discovered that her long time husband has been discovered with thousands of highest level category child sex abuse images ( penetration) and being told that unless they divorce the man, their grandchildren can't come and see them and they remain with the husband throwing relationships away with their own flesh and blood. Women who turn a blind eye to what could only possibly be sexual abuse when they see their five year old daughters rubbing themselves against any man that enters their home, disturbing the visitor who picks up the clue that the child's father must be up to something whilst the mother ignores her daughter's itchy vulva. when she bathes. These types NEVER come with no good counter argument apart from insults and pleas for pity and understanding and a demand that one denies all instinct , like you, you bastard.

And drag has always been a sexualised purview. How can it not be? It's GROWN if it's any good at all, isn't it? It's YOUR self hate that is equivocating "gay" with Paedophilia instead of the better category "mostly men"( as per statistics . And for the sensitive in the back, this means most paedophiles are men, not most men are paedophiles). And whatever YOU say, and whatever the intentions of the patrons of the bar or the owners and staff who had to "hold back the crowd" so desperate they were to see an untalented TEN YEAR OLD...this child WAS sexually exploited.

You jump "homophobic" instead of "shocked." You , like my Gay kin are, should be worrying what is going on in the "gay" part of LGBT Inc. It is mainly they who have sold out, after it was mainly they who had the money to support LGBT in the first place. What with MEN having the most financial privilege in any category including non straight and POC. Are you fucking dunce for pay, or is it innate?

And please refer to me as " bitch". If I was a "lady", I wouldn't be so bold.

And Woody Allen is a fucking nonce. Duh!

WTF???

r314: I have no axe to grind with anyone who thinks Allen is an unsavory person; I'm not a particular fan myself. I thought my point was very clear: I think it's wrong to slap a deviant/criminal label on him because you think he's skeevy. Just tag him as skeevy and move along. There's nothing either complicated nor unreasonable about my position, but I'm really tired of explaining it.

R92 you are funny

I slap a pedo label on him because he's been accused of sexually assaulting a 7 year old and has said for years he's attracted to children

r315 is a homophobic Black lady, isn't she?

[quote]there are much more more worthy recipients of your guardianship who have been genuinely wrongfully accused, Allen isn't worth wasting your time on.

This pisses Mia Farrow off since people refuse to just believe what Dylan said. If I remember correctly the psych people interviewing Dylan said her story seemed coached and wouldn't believe it. That is why I personally defend Woody Allen in this matter. That doesn't mean Woody Allen isn't a pedophile but the only people claiming he is come from Mia Farrow's side, and we all can probably agree she's clearly been trying to destroy his reputation for a long time. Without Dylan's stepbrother I'd possibly believe more what Dylan said but he practically destroyed Farrow saying she coached the girl, and was an abusive "mother" to them. If psychologists and your own brother says you're lying I tend to believe it.

Is Woody Allen sleazy for going after teen girls? Absolutely. Still, doesn't make him a pedophile.

That's an outright lie r321. The prosecutor of the case said he believed Dylan and thought Woody was guilty but couldn't prove it without putting her on the stand and he didn't think she could take it.

Know you are slandering a victim of sexual assault. You are sick

Where is the evidence that Peter Tatchell said anything like that, r315. I’m no fan of Tatchell, but I’ve never heard him being accused of condoning child abuse.

R322, I clearly remember reading from one article the healthcare professionals involved with the case saying they don't believe Dylan was sexually abused, and that her story seemed coached.

All I know right now is that Dory Previn would be loving this!!!!!!

Beware young girls indeed!

I had blocked R90 previously, and cannot believe their heinous comments. Die in a grease fire you pathetic cunt.

The health care professionals at Yale-New Haven thought the story was coached; the assistant D.A. believed the story.

And the pediatrician who reported the alleged abuse to the authorities was obliged by law to do so, once it was reported to him. I don't think the pediatrician ever commented publicly.

R314 I totally got your point a couple of dozen posts ago, and you are entitled to your opinion but it's just an opinion, the exasperation you are experiencing in feeling you are not being listened to suggests you feel your opinion is the only valid one. Allen could, as you feel ,be a selfish, run of the mill dirty old man, who likes em young but within the realms of legality. He could also , given his taste for youth and apparent disregard for commonly held views of family connections, be someone who has crossed the line, especially as his adopted daughter has accused him of doing so. The accusations of pedophilia people are 'slapping' him with have not been plucked from the air, however, neither side can prove their case and have to accept their view is not the last word.

I knew I was right - r38/r315 is an illiterate Black lady.

Stick to shorter sentences, sweetie. Good writing consists in saying a maximum of things in a minimum of words. You're doing the opposite, saying very banal things in overstretched and interpolated sentences - the hallmark of the uncultured. I can't even comprehend most of what you say because of your sad insistence in over-writing in order to sound smart.

Take this paragraph - what is it even supposed to mean?

[quote]How can it not be? It's GROWN if it's any good at all, isn't it? It's YOUR self hate that is equivocating "gay" with Paedophilia instead of the better category "mostly men"( as per statistics . And for the sensitive in the back, this means most paedophiles are men, not most men are paedophiles)

I can't answer because I don't get what it's saying. It's as clear and coherent as something written by a paranoid schizophrenic. And you need to learn how to use punctuation as well.

All I can say is this: If gay men tell you they're not attracted to drags regardless of the latter's age, you should just accept it. As a dumb ass lady, you don't and can't have a first person experience of male homosexuality and are in no position to talk back. So shut up and accept what we tell you.

ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz. R329 is the typical Upper East Side elitist. Had he been black or brown, Allen would have been in prison for years.

Dylan's story in isolation could be argued to be not credible maybe.

But no one in good faith would argue they aren't credible given Allen's long list of disgusting comments and behavior.

Sorry, r332. Plenty of people will argue exactly that, in good faith. And who the fuck are you to decide what's done in good faith?

Your comment makes no sense R331, I agree with you , I think Allen is just what he appears to be and is protected by his status, however R314 has been very committed throughout this thread to the position that Allen is a case of give a dog a bad name and I conceded that his theory is possible although I feel unlikely. I am posting from London by the way and the Upper Eat Side is far too dry for me.

r330 Bullshit. If there is a 10 year old dancing in a night club in drag, and I have to take black lady's word for it, this is obviously for sexual titillation. Just try a little common sense, then I don't have to explain it to you. This is obviously a thing for some men, as the often mentioned tradition in Afghanistan: bacha boys? Now if you want to call those men heterosexual, because of course all gay men are only into 100% manly men, be my guest. It's obviously ridiculous, but be my guest. In any case, this sexual exploitation is still happening.

rr333 Because it can just plain be seen. If Woody Allen takes great pains to inform you over and over again that he is a pedophile, and turn around to look for evidence that he is innocent, because Mia Farrow is an unstable, hysterical heifer... that is a lot of things, but not good faith.

[quote] WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING about this lame asshole? Aren't there people making great films out there we can discuss?

No, they aren't.

People should stop trying to talk logic to the trolls.

NEWSFLASH They know Woody is a pedophile. They know he molested Dylan. They aren't defending him because they actually believed he's being unfairly maligned. They are doing it because they think its okay for him to be a pedophile because they are fans of him and his films. There are people who still say Cosby did nothing wrong. You can't win an argument with those people because they will always see what the want to see.

Just be happy 90% of the world off this site sees him for the scum he is. His time in the sun is over. It won't help his victims but at least he will be treated like the POS he is going forward

" Woody you're my hero ! "

Woody said his dear friend Cosby was being “railroaded”. That is all you need to know.

R340 This silly bitch should have just kept her trap shut. Not because of creepy Woody - we didn't need to know as we all already knew what a creepy shit he is. She should not have taken Mia down.

Woody would have coerced Mia in some way - with threats or drugs or something. I feel really sorry for Mia and her family that creepy Allen has caused so much pain, harm and damage. Everything about this perv will come out when he dies and Soon-Yi and the daughters Woody purchased over the internet spill their guts.

R315 is a radical feminist who wants to spam DL with her anti-T obsession. A key plank in her soap box is 'T are child abusers and trying to infiltrate LGBT like N A M B L A / P I E in UK'

I wish these wimmin would get some treatment for their aspergers / OCD.

I agree, r341. I made a comment upthread about Mia probably victimizing Sun Yi, and even though I was speculating, I think Woody abused all of them.

Mia’s brother was charged with child molestation. There’s a very good chance that she grew up in an abusive environment. Men who are abusive seek out women who came from a family dynamic where abuse was normalized. They seek out partners who were already groomed to be abused.

Every person in this sordid tale was manipulated by Woody. He decided to see how far he could take it, and Mia drew the line when she saw where it was all going with Dylan. And Ronan, though a child, was actually the one who threw the gauntlet down, long before any of them did. He was not only a smart, intuitive kid who was as smart as his father; he was fearless, and this is why he is who he is today.

I doubted Dylan’s account of Woody for years. I’d vacillate between belief and disbelief. I just didn’t want to think that Woody was capable of doing what he did. But this story from Christina sealed the deal for me. And not because Woody was into 16 year olds, but because Woody has now emerged as a man who is so narcissistic, that he views the people in his life, including his own flesh and blood, as characters in his personal fiction. He is their director, and they all need to bend to his will. I’ve come across men like him before, but Woody is a fucking MASTER at this shit, because he managed to get away with it for a very, very long time.

People think Mia is nuts. And guess what? Many of us would also be nuts if we kept telling others the truth, and no one believed us. I’m sorry I doubted her, and her daughter. I now believe I was mistaken.

Good post, R343. You’re a good person.

R342, r315 is actually a pretty bright human being. You may not like his/her writing skills, but take a moment to slow down and read what he/she has to say.

The message doesn’t have to be presented perfectly, it does, however, need to be presented.

R344, thank you, but honestly, I’ve been a huge fool. I always want to deny this shit is happening right under my nose. But it is happening, and I have always known it’s happening, but I go into deep denial just to protect myself and get through the daily chore and/or joy, that is living.

I fucking DETEST people who sexually exploit kids, and I know we live in a world where many do.

God I wish Manzie's insta was still up and public.. looking at her feed you would think she's just a typical teen (selfies a lot, going to the beach, eating with friends) and if you have zero idea who Woody Allen is, you'd think he's the sweetest dad going by her posts dedicated to him. It was weird. Are they as shielded by the controversies as they seem? Highly doubt it given social media but maybe being cushioned by a pampered lifestyle since childhood helps? Idk weren't they hounded by paps outside after a Knicks game immediately after the shitstorm of Golden globes 2013..surely they'd be like "um pops, what are all these photos asking you?!"

In a thread about whose future "Mommie, Dearest" tell all we most eagerly awaited, I chose Frances Bean Cobain. I'd still like to read that, but I'd also like to live long enough to read a tell-all from Woody and Soon-Yi's daughters.

The last half-dozen posts on this thread are downright creepy. Who are you overwrought fangurls, anyway? You don't know these people or what they think, feel or do, and yet you've ginned up a whole fanfic scenario.

R348, people defending Mia Farrow and vilifying Woody Allen seem obsessed, and yes the self-congratulatory aspect is nauseating. When Mia Farrow's brother being a child molester becomes proof of Woody Allen being one as well you know you're dealing with people who just love to believe in their own fabrications. And no, just because I refuse without solid proof to say he's a pedophile does it mean that I condone pedophilia.

I wonder how many of these presumably female pedo-shriekers realize that homosexuality has traditionally been and still is routinely being equated with pedophilia by homophobes? We know what it's like to be accused of something we are not which is at least personally for me a reason to speak my mind when I see pedophilia accusations being thrown around like it's free candy. Especially when it's happening on a gay forum.

Can it, R349. You're saying we should support Woody Allen because gays are wrongly accused of pederasty -- that's sick. No, I'm not going to defend some gross straight guy who fucks underaged girls just because homophobia exists, you planarian.

Scream at me all you want about being a "frau obsessed with pedophilia," but I have never once brought pedophilia up in this thread. I've stuck entirely to what Allen himself has admitted and what was documented in court and by witnesses.

R350 You can't reason with him because he doesn't want to be reasoned. His only goal on these threads is defending Woody. NOTHING will reach him. He doesn't believe Woody should have to own up to his crimes

Pshaw, r350. No one on this thread has stuck with what "Allen himself" has admitted and what was documented in court and by witnesses. At best, posters have used these as a jumping off point for their own embellishments and breathless hypotheticals. It's a long road from stating, with humor, that you're attracted to young girls to a conclusion of pedophilia.

It's not a long jump from him admitting he's attracted to 12 year old girls to believing a 7 year old girl who says he molested her.

But you knew that

There are no reliable narrators in this matter, either amongst those involved nor on this thread.

Nor is there much in the way of intelligent discussion. Just as a random example, r319 states that he's slapped a label of pedophilia on Allen because of Dylan's accusation. It's not remotely clear whether that behavior occurred, but 319 is happy to buy into it.

Wrong, r353, it's an extremely long jump. But you know that.

Or maybe you don't, in which case there's no point in arguing with you.

Jesus, the rank stupidity of you sheeple.

The reason the defenders keep saying that "he's not a proven pedophile" is that everything else he's accused of IS proven.

They go to the one thing that hasn't been proven empirically by court documents, admission or witness statements. They ignore everything that has been proven, because they know they can't defend it. I mean, they try by lying about it like that one defender earlier in the thread did, but it doesn't get them very far.

Here's the thing: even if you think Dylan's story is a lie, WOODY ALLEN IS STILL AN AMORAL CRIMINAL. Even if you think Mia Farrow is a nutball, WOODY ALLEN IS STILL AN AMORAL CRIMINAL.

More retro snitching. Jesus, it's pathetic.

[quote]I clearly remember reading from one article the healthcare professionals involved with the case saying they don't believe Dylan was sexually abused, and that her story seemed coached.

COMPLETE LIE. But of course you know this, which is why you're saying you "heard it somewhere" instead of providing an actual link.

The court documents are linked upthread. There were two experts who said they did not believe Dylan had been abused, and the judge clearly states that these experts did NOT examine Dylan directly, and both showed loyalty and defensiveness for Woody Allen.

No one has ever said anything about her story being coached, except Woody Allen. He floated that back in 1992, Soon-Yi repeated it the same year in her own op-ed, and they just keep repeating it over and over so people like you have a convenient go-to lie for when you want to defend him.

Only one comment on this entire thread about what a barf-inducing, unattractive, short, hideous, scrawny, utterly unsexy creature Woody Allen is? I would rather have Gene Simmons sit on my face than even begin to visualize the idea of sexual relations with WA.

I don't actually think Allen is a pedophile in the traditional sense--i.e. he has a strong sexual attraction to prepubescent children. I think he's more of a narcissist--someone who sees other people as props to his own world. He then pushes boundaries with them--seeing how far he can go, seeing what he can get away with. the attitude comes through in his movies (the murderer gets away with it in Crimes and Misdemeanors) as well as his history of relationships.

I've said this before here, but I was a teenager when Manhattan came out and it was acclaimed as "brilliant"--I hated it *because* of the rose-colored goggles put on the romance between the Hemingway/Allen characters. I could see how dishonest the portrayal was. Once you see the self-serving egotism in his films, you can't unsee it. The Allen-as-shlub is basically camouflage for a heartless arrogance and entitlement.

I like Woody's films -- love actually he's probably my favorite director -- but I think he's a sexual creep and a deviant.

However, the Mia attic story is absurd to anyone with a brain and let's get it clear, you don't NOT pursue sexual molestation because the "girl couldn't handle it" if they went to trial or whatever. That's fucking bullshit. The idea that they decided to let Woody Allen walk free of molesting a 7 year old kid because of "trauma' to the kid via the legal process is hysterical to me. Come on. Grow up. That's nonsense.

"The girl will be scarred by a trial, let's let him off and forget about it ..." LOL.

Sadly that's not how law works.

Did Woody have to agree to her spilling this?

Why would he have to agree?

Now that this lady come forward you have to wonder what other skeletons he has hiding in the cupboard. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s finally outed as a huge perv after he dies.

[quote] you don't NOT pursue sexual molestation because the "girl couldn't handle it" if they went to trial or whatever.

??? What rock do you live under. You do that ALL THE TIME. In fact adult women and men make that decision for themselves way more often than not (I mean a conservatively estimated 90% of male victims never tell a soul in the first place) The decision is made for children ALL THE TIME. The same happened with Michael Jackson's first accuser btw.

R361, if you can't get a conviction, yeah, you do make those kind of choices. It would be his word against hers and all the slime that Allen's lawyers and PR machine can provide.

I mean, hello?, Jeffrey Epstein ran a sex ring of teen-age girls and got off with 13 months after basically bribing the attorney general. Bill Cosby got away with date-raping dozens of women for decades (and you still have black people defending him), Trump made a stat. rape accusation disappear.

This is how power works--the guys with it get away with all sorts of shit.

I don't think the DA can compel a victim to bring charges, but once a complaint is made the prosecutors do have to consider whether they have a winnable case. Here, either Dylan was deemed too fragile to testify, or the prosecution believed that the evidence was too iffy to withstand a strong defense. It doesn't appear that Mia pushed for prosecution; instead, she's spent a great deal of energy after the fact relitigating her claims whenever and wherever she can. I don't know, and don't care enough to check, whether there's a statute of limitations for prosecuting sexual abuse of a minor child. Whether or not the Dylan matter is still prosecutable, the newly discovered "fact" of this woman's sexual relationship with WA when she was 16 wouldn't strengthen Dylan's claim.

R356 and all the other “Mia” fanfraus posting here—you need professional help. Seriously. It’s clear you have psychological issues of your own, which you are intensely investing in a story about people you don’t know.

To the obsessed woman @R275:

I am a woman in my sixties. I could not be further from a hebophile. Why are you so goddammed determined to believe that it is only men here @DL who find the constant slamming on W.A. for being a "pedophile" to be as idiotic as it is incorrect?

Oh, and I am also not a Jewish apologist. Add to that, I am not a fan of his films. I am a grown adult with a rather substantial IQ who is embarrassed for you and your small coterie of female Poo types who live and breathe to accuse men of sexual trafficking and abuse. If it is because you were raped as a child, I feel your pain, but probably close to one third of us women here were sexually abused a children.

Yet we have managed to move on so we can function as normal adults. Trust me, your life would be so much richer if you deal with your mental issues NOW. You truly come across as very, very sick.

Years ago I knew a woman who worked very closely with Mia and the kids for years. She said the kids hated Woody, but Mia loved the money and extra comfort (like 24 hour chauffeur) it brought. Soon -Yi particularly disliked him and Woody complained to Mia about it. She then encouraged him to do things with her to form a bond.

My old friend was there when Mia called the house after finding the naked pictures of Soon-Yi in Woody's bedside drawer to see if Soon-Yi was there. She came storming in and slapped Soon-Yi. My friend later denied that happened when asked about it by lawyers, probably to keep her job.

This is all from her (employees) mouth and she had no reason to lie. Is Woody a creepy assed pedo creep? Yes absolutely, but Mia was extremely naive and or blind to put the kids in his path like that, handing them on a plate really. Also as a mother blaming the daughter was particularly shitty as well, imo.

should be hebephile^^^^

YeahR371, the pedo part was referring to his apparent obsession with Dylan not Soon-Yi. I dont remember my friend ever talking about that, but the kids though he was creepy so it kind of makes sense.

-R370

[quote]but probably close to one third of us women here were sexually abused a children.

What on earth is this absurd claim based on? What planet are you living on where 1 in 3 little girls is molested, but not even the creep ~joking constantly that he is highly sexually attracted to 12 year old girls can reasonably be assumed to be a pedophile, after being accused by his own daughter? Excuse the valley girl language, but I literally can't even.

Or perhaps your old friend was lying to you, since the photos were not found in a bedside drawer.

But despite the crazy guy up there who says anyone who likes Woody is a mentally ill fan, I don't think you'll find many people here who don't acknowledge that Mia made a lot of mistakes.

Yes, by far the biggest mistake: Letting Woody Allen neat her kids.

*near, dammit

I can only go on what she told me R374. I haven't read many official details of the case, so it's mostly what she told me happened. This is what Mia told her in the immediate aftermath. Her story (to my friend) was that she was looking for a tissue, but I'm guessing she suspected something. My friend had no reason to lie, she basically kept her head down and stayed out of it as much as she could. It is possible she remembered a detail incorrectly though, I'm sure the whole thing was shocking when it happened.

Your friend is lying to you. The photos were not found in a bedside drawer.

Ok R378. I haven't seen her in years but if she was incorrect, I'm sure it wasn't deliberate. I'd just thought I'd share as this thread made me remember her. Heck, maybe I remembered that part of her story wrong, which is entirely possible.

I would like to attempt a different approach: since I have read at least ten posts which state that Woody himself has admitted to being a pedophile, if even one of you can provide proof of such, I will agree to rethink my long held position.

I will even go so far as to unblock the pedo shriekers so that they may have a shot at providing such proof.

R378 Good catch. Even I knew that from the pieces in the reputable media.

People, judge the personal anecdotes with a jaundiced eye...they may be true, but the odds are they are not.

“I’m open-minded about sex. I’m not above reproach; if anything, I’m below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him.” Allen pauses. “Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone,” he ventures helplessly. “I admit to it all.” Woody Allen, People Magazine October 4, 1976

We should put all of this in perspective.

Mia came from a show biz family. She was born into a lifestyle where beautiful women like her only left home at a very young age, in order to be someone’s wife.

She wasn’t taught to be independent, nor was she encouraged to go to a university, and major in STEM. That’s what average women or ugly ducklings did. Even if they were highly intelligent, they were raised to become wives and mothers.

Women like Mia were taught to marry well. The men were taught to provide for them. In exchange for being taken care of financially, women were expected to STFU, and put up with whatever cards they were dealt.

You’re all nuts if you think she grew up with normal values and expectations. She did EXACTLY what she was taught. She even excelled.

She was Woody’s prize poodle, regardless of her brains. Same for her ex husbands before Woody, though some were probably a little nicer.

This shit is still the same. Things have changed, but most women only have power via their bodies.

Sucks, but it’s true.

There are only a couple of people your friend could be, honestly. I don't think either of them ever got the details wrong.

And to the best of our knowledge based on what everyone has said, Mia wasn't looking for anything in particular. The photos were laying out, with the implication that Soon-Yi left them there for Mia to find. Though as I said, that's speculation. Soon-Yi almost immediately said she was sorry Mia found them and it wasn't intentional.

r369 You've even less of a woman than Caitlin Jenner.

I think Mia said in her book that she thought WOODY had left them out to be found (on a mantlepiece, right?) Because he was so neat and meticulous, it had to be on purpose.

R369 is hilarious. If they had a "substantial IQ" they would know that a vast majority of this thread has been about Woody's predilection for underaged girls, with not much said about Dylan at all.

But if they're too dim to figure that out, my guesDunnins is they aren't of "substantial" intellect at all.

Speaking of intellect, mine is apparently sub-par as well, since I somehow managed to type "Dunnin" in the middle of a sentence and not even realize it.

I think Woody had to marry Soon Yi in order to salvage his reputation. He’s lucky to have continued working after that whole debacle.

Woody’s an old geezer now. He’ll be dead soon enough, and Soon Yi will be a very wealthy widow.

It really is an incredible story, if you step back and look at it all. She was allegedly an orphan, eating out of garbage cans.

Soon Yi is THE ULTIMATE Game of Thrones winner.

I'm the one who first pointed out the photos were not found in a bedside drawer, not r378, but you're welcome for the good catch, self-described genius who obviously has me on ignore.

I think she has a lot of us on ignore. She seems to have absolutely no concerns about Allen abusing Ronan, needing therapy because of how he treated Dylan, or dating underage girls, and is ONLY concerned with the fact that Woody being a molester wasn't proven in a court of law.

That's a sure sign that they are not arguing in good faith.

Important to point out that the model was 20 when Mia came into the picture according to her timeline. Mia had to know Allen was a creep. Or maybe she was in his thrall too- director etc.

Weren’t the photos on the fireplace mantel?

They should have just mailed them to poor Mia, via courier.

Say whatever you want, but that had to be devastating. Imagine finding photos of your kid, taken by your boyfriend. Even if Soon Yi was a legal adult.

Poor Mia. She even left the asshole some melodramatic Valentine, with a knife plunged through a heart shaped cut out, with a picture of their “family”, glued in the middle. That right there, shows me what a child Mia was, too.

She was a child, in an adult woman’s body. I would have ghosted Woody, and never looked back. But Mia fucked herself, by adopting all of those kids. This is the main reason why I never had children. I knew I wasn’t financially stable enough to financially care for them on my own when I was young enough to have them. I saw way too many of my girlfriends financially struggling, even with the fathers paying child support.

Even if your ex is wealthy and generous, you will be at their mercy until the children turn 18.

Thank you for the several attempts at justifying the DL allegation that Woody has admitted to being a pedophile. However I have yet to read one comment in which anyone has come even close to that.

Again, I truly don't think the majority of your understand the definition of the term. A man saying that he finds 12 year old girls to be very tempting is not even in the neighborhood of fulfilling the definition. How would you like to go before a judge using that as proof? You would be laughed out of court in a nanosecond. Writing does not equal performing a deed. Ask Nabokov or Shakespeare about that.

As for saying that the majority of the comments here do not agree with my take on the subject, I agree with you on that point. The comments sound as if they were posted on a subliterate site on which chattering housewives and mothers play screech monkey all afternoon long. The people in this thread sound little like the typical Data Lounger.

I have received a substantial number of W&Ws for both of my posts, so I am comforted to know that there are at least a few sane adults reading these comments.

I know that I do not belong here, and so I will take this thread off my "watch list." I have no interest in continuing to state my point of view. It clearly has not changed anyone's mind, so there would be no reason to persevere with my attempts. I say this with the best of intentions as a survivor of TRUE pedophilia(sexual abuse before adolescence.) I had many years of therapy and work in order to deal with men in a normal fashion. It was not easy, but I eventually reached my destination, and as I said earlier, my life has been far richer for it. For those of you who see "pedophilia" everywhere you look because you are a victim: please get some help; or be doomed to a lifetime of the constant need to revisit your victimhood through others. I wish you all well.

Well, thanks, r394!

All arguments aside, I’m sorry that happened to you. I’m glad someone believed your story, even if it was only your therapist.

It’s horrible when something so traumatic happens to you, and everyone calls you a liar, crazy, or tells you that your abuser is not technically a pedophile, because you were 12 years old and a day, when they decided to rape you.

Brad Pitt and his teenage gf

but of course DL doesn't care because he's handsome

With this woman coming out, there will be more revelations. It will snowball just like it did with Cosby.

Woody appears to have abused multiple underaged girls at the same time while continuously dumping the old ones and luring in new ones. He was a user.

He was quite an ass to this particular girl so he was probably that way with most of his underaged girls. Likely, he created some long-term resentment in a sizable number of them.

When all else fails, deflect with Brad Pitt, or Hillary!!!

Thanks for those insights, r397.

When a girl says she had an 8 year affair with an older man that she initiated, how is this abuse like Cosby???

Bad judgment when she handed him her phone number? Sure. But he didn't abuse this woman.

Correct. Nor is his relationship with her evidence that he sexually abused a 7 year old child. Nor should Mia be throwing stones re his relationship with Soon-yi, who by all accounts was in the neighborhood of 20 when their affair started; Mia began a relationship with Sinatra when she was the same age and he was, what? 25 years older? Would she concede that her beloved Frank was a sleaze?

[R394]

This was posted 100 or so ago and no one offered their opinion. What is your opinion?

Was this Pedophilia?

Account by Maureen O'Sullivan and Tisa Farrow form a Vanity Fair article:

...Vanity Fair did a long story, detailing accounts by Maureen O’Sullivan, Mia Farrow’s mother, who says she saw inappropriate activity like Allen rubbing sunscreen where he shouldn’t:

One summer day in Connecticut, when Dylan was four and Woody was applying suntan lotion to her nude body, he alarmed Mia’s mother, actress Maureen O’Sullivan, and sister Tisa Farrow when he began rubbing his finger in the crack between her buttocks. Mia grabbed the lotion out of his hand, and O’Sullivan asked, “How do you want to be remembered by your children?” “As a good father,” Woody answered. “Well, that’s interesting,” O’Sullivan replied. “It only lasted a few seconds, but it was definitely weird,” says Tisa Farrow.