Ian McKellen: 'Why has no openly gay man ever won the best actor Oscar?'

That old flop! 😆

I love him. He doesn't just have fuck you money, he has fuck everybody money and so says what he wants.

It won't happen for years because so few are openly gay. You'd have to be utterly naive not to be able to spot those actors/sportsmen/singers/talent show judges/TV hypnotists who have on-off relationships with fame-hungry models or colleagues working on the same TV show who crave a raised public profile. They get pictured on boats/on the beach/out shopping hand-in-hand etc, but because everyone has a camera on their phone we get to see them with their actual other half. It's a sad reflection on society when people have to hide their actual relationships and project heterosexual identities in order to keep their image protected.

Not my type of actor.

Who the fuck won the Oscar instead of him for ' Gods and Monsters.'???

Oscar celebrates closet cases if you have noticed most winners from acting categories have been gay in recent years but closeted and bearding of course!

R5 Roberto Benigni!

He’s just old and bitter. Happens.

Ian was also nominated for best supporting actor in 2001 but lost to Jim Broadbent for Iris!

both Broadbent and McKellen were category frauds

Losing to Roberto Benigni must have really hurt. Some of the hammiest acting it has been my misfortune to see

[quote]Losing to Roberto Benigni must have really hurt. Some of the hammiest acting it has been my misfortune to see

Hammy Holocaust hilarity.

It wasn't a great year for the category.

Roberto Benigni Life Is Beautifult

Tom Hanks Saving Private Ryan

Ian McKellen Gods and Monsters

Nick Nolte Affliction

Edward Norton American History X

Ian should have won, r13. Or Ed Norton.

I preferred Shaving Ryan's Privates.

Not a fan of Norton at all

In light of Kevin Harts brain damaged homophobia, I think its time to force the closeted Hollywood glitterati OUT of the closet, once & fir all.

Travolta, Cruise, Jackman, Latifah, Bullock, the lot.

R16, he was pretty fabulous in Primal Fear.

I liked Norton at first. Primal Fear was pretty terrific, and he was fine in American History X. I didn't like the movie much, but he was good enough in it.

R17 literally every A-list actor/actress is gay, closeted and bearding this is so sad

Norton is terrifically bad sexist

He lived through this.

Why has only 1 woman won Best Director when we represent 51% of the population?

He's on to something. Hollywood, despite seemingly being so liberal, is still a cesspool of homophobia where gay actors MUST stay closeted. Sad that this is still happening in a more supposedly enlightened time.

Because I was shunnnnned.

Maybe Lucas Hedges will win this year....

R26 but he's not out out

What about me, bitches?

Kevin, you remain a closeted sex pest and as such do not qualify as an open gay man

The only one who doesn't deserve to be on R13's list is the one who won.

If actors were thar good, gay actors could play straight and macho characters convincingly. But because so much money is made from endorsements (watches, cologne, coffee, Japanese adverts), the buying public is apparently homophobic. If actors didn't chase endorsements, there wouldn't be as much of an issue.

Who cares? White gay men are not oppressed. Well not oppressed oppressed.

Many closeted actors are awful at playing straight roles but public even DL! buys them as straight because of fake marriage and bearding

It's my job to come out of the closet once and for all and then win a Best Actor Oscar!

Mission Impossible or Mission Possible?

R34 Cruise was great in Mission: Impossible – Fallout

He's right. And according to census data, acting is, of the the male-dominated professions, the one with the biggest share of gay men.

He’s right. If we now have a black, Asian, latinx and trend quota, why not gay?

*trans not trend

R33 Such self loathing bullshit, if you even ARE a gay man (you sound like a frau).

Closeted gay male actors are terrible at straight roles?

Like Rock Hudson, Sal Mineo, James Dean, Marlon Brando, Tom Cruise, John Travolta?

R36 is correct. Comparing this to female directors not winning is silly, since a disproportionately small number of women are directing movies to begin with

And how many out gay actors are being cast as leads in good movies, R40? It's a perfectly good comparison.

Also, McKellen could have easily said "gay man OR woman" but he can only empathize with those who are exactly like himself. It's a turnoff.

R39 I didn't mean like that I meant if an actor is out people make comments like the actor is not believable as straight and should not be cast as straight you see comments like this in NPH, Bomer, Andrew Scott, Whishaw, Quinto, Jim Parsons, K Stewart, Ellen Page threads in DL and other sites and forums

but never such comments for closeted actors even though many of them suck at playing straight roles (awful in intimate scenes, no chemistry with the female lead) and suck at acting in general but because they have beards or married to their beards they are perceived as straight so no one questions their ability of acting straight roles

DiCaprio has often demonstrated impressively terrible chemistry with female costars Carey Mulligan, Cameron Diaz, Marion Cotillard, Claire Danes, Jennifer Connelly.

If an actor or actress, :-) ,is openly homosexual it's quite clear that the audience that watch him or her on screen playing an heterosexual role will have some difficulty in accepting the trueness of the role itself. I think that this concerns more the men than the women.

So if you're an actor ( a man actor) maybe it's better to hide it even if everybody will presume that you are gay anyway. :-)

Awww. attention-seeking whore. No out actor so far has a lead in an oscar-caliber film, one good enough for a nom.

[44] you have issues.

'Awww. attention-seeking whore. No out actor so far has a lead in an oscar-caliber film, one good enough for a nom."

Yawn, straight (or "straight") actors can star in crap and still get nominated

Ian was magnificent as Gandalf.

R48 Yes, he was!

He was magnificent too as King Lear recently. Best Lear I've seen. Evidently Sir Ian's farewell to playing Shakespeare, and an awesome way to go. I'm glad he's still opinionating, he's more than earned that right.

R50 Yeas Sir Ian was amazing as King Lear so much better than hammy Hopkins

Homophobia in Hollywood and Fake Girlfriends for Leonardo DiCaprio at '5:00

R47 No out actor so far has a lead in an oscar-caliber film, one good enough for a nom.

they don't get offers because they are out and proud

Well since there are very few openly gay actors, and since the primo rolls go to straight men, we really don't know that if an openly gay actor got a prime roll whether they would get enough votes to win. Probably will depend on who it is.

I'm so bored with the whole "gay actor topic" in all of its variations.

For fuck's sake, surely we're more important than this stupid shallow nonsense!

a closet case is going to win best actor Oscar this year Bradley Cooper

Namely ME?

He's not a very good screen actor. In the sitcom VICIOUS he was wiped off the screen by Derek Jacobi. Ian doesn't have stillness.

The problem is obvious. Gay men have to start giving better performances.

"Gay men have to start giving better performances"

Uh, gay men have won, they just weren't out at the time. Ever heard of Kevin Spacey? Or Sir John Gielgud?

[quote]gay men have to start giving better head if they want an Oscar

Fixed for you

No openly gay man or woman has ever won the best actor Oscar

I can see Ben Whishaw and Kristen Stewart winning in future but the problem is they don't get much offers

Offers for what? They both work all the time

lead roles in Oscar vehicle

And you bitches think I'M bitter.

closeted Oscar winners Winslet and Jannery kissing on stage

R23: typical hysterical lying female. TWO women have won for directing since 1929. TWO in 90 years.

[quote]It won't happen for years because so few are openly gay.

Yeah, that's part of the problem.

There aren't that many openly gay movie actors, so there aren't that many playing the Oscar-nominated parts.

But Sir Ian is basically right.

Jodie Foster came the closest, meaning she may not have been officially out whennshe won her Oscars, but everyone knew and she was certainly not pretending to date men.

R69, unfortunately that probably doesn't count.

We may have known she was gay, but the general public did not.

And since she wasn't officially out, Sir Ian's point still stands.

This years winner is a closet case.

It's not just the A-list actors who are closeted, it's even the minor actors who stay closeted, or wait years before coming out.

I think that shows how slow change has been.

Eg. look how many years it took for minor actors like Garrett Clayton, Colton Haynes & Wentworth Miller to come out.

R46 is in complete denial. If you are a young talented gay actor and want to have opportunities for a great variety of roles in major films you'd be an idiot to come out.

Like Downey Jr going back in the closet claiming he was just being edgy.

Sad but true. If you think Hollywood is or can be about honesty exactly what planet did you grow up on?

He's got a point.

[quote]If you are a young talented gay actor and want to have opportunities for a great variety of roles in major films you'd be an idiot to come out.

So what kind of message is that sending?

What do you want a public service message? It gets better? Be true to yourself?

Life is unfortunately very messy.

Very few people have the strength of a William Haines who could say fuck you all and walk away.

That's a typical straight woman stunt, R66. Hate that. What is the fucking point?

R76, I think the point is that we were told things were so different today.

And so many people, be it Sir Ian, or those of us on this thread, are disappointed that things haven't changed much.

R78 Right on! And especially in supposedly liberal Hollywood.

As any out gay person ever won any of the acting awards?

Jodie Foster wasn't out when she won.

G could be the first trans person to take Best Actress. That's progress.

[quote]Right on! And especially in supposedly liberal Hollywood.

Why don't the powerful out gays in Hollywood do more about it?

R82 Good question, but they should!!

R82 money, money, money. Gays will follow straight male stars but women lose interest in gay male stars.

Translation - Ian McKellen: 'Why have I never won the best actor Oscar?'

[quote]women lose interest in gay male stars.

Straight fangirls are a pain, aren't they?

No, not really, R86. It was Hollywood Inc. that chose to prioritize the personal life of actors over their ability to act. They did this to generate more interest and to sell more magazines and other stuff.

But fangirls are part of the problem -- they want every hot actor to be straight, and admit they are disappointed when an actor turns out to be gay.

I've visited fangirl sites for certain actors and come across comments saying that in the past.

lead actors remain closeted as they sell the film. It's likely supporting actor nods will come first.

[quote]As any out gay person ever won any of the acting awards?

Sir John Gielgud had already been unashamedly outed by a cottaging (tearoom sex) arrest in 1953. So technically, when he won Best Supporting Actor in 1982, he was out.

Unashamedly means he didn’t try to Larry-Craig out of it.

Actors who came out AFTER winning the Oscar:

George Chakiris Jodie Foster Linda Hunt

Anna Paquin (Bi) Angelina Jolie (Bi) Marlon Brando (Bi)

r69 is so wrong.

for her first Oscar win Foster had Julian Sands as her date. She kisses him on the lips when she wins.

By the second Oscar for Silence of the Lambs (this was the year of gay protests outside the Oscars because of the constant depiction as serial killers in Basic Instict, Silence, JFK....Jodie was being outed in the signs the protesors had)

The big question was would she come out in her speech. She didn't. That is why she made that strange Golden Globe speech years later teasing about how she is not a public person like Honey Boo Boo and sort of coming out.

I think Angelina Jolie was out as bi prior to her Oscar win. She may not have been famous enough for people to care but I think are relationship with that Asian model was sort of public.

[quote]for her first Oscar win Foster had Julian Sands as her date. She kisses him on the lips when she wins.

Why did Julian Sands agree to go along with that?

[quote]for her first Oscar win Foster had Julian Sands as her date. She kisses him on the lips when she wins.

A peck on a friend’s lips is hardly bearding.

Angelina came out in 2003. Her Oscar win was in 1999

Sir John Gielgud remains the only out-at-victory oscar winning actor

I think Kristen Stewart is great in Lizzy starring Chloë Sevigny. And I hate her in that Twilight franchise and in The Huntsman and Snow-White movie.

I doubt we will see an actual openly gay actor leading a major blockbuster movie in this lifetime, because it's all about profits and some homophobes deliberately fuck with movies to reaffirm their homophobic views (a movie with an openly gay lead can't make a profit!).

[quote]I doubt we will see an actual openly gay actor leading a major blockbuster movie in this lifetime

That sounds pretty depressing.

What time scale are you thinking of when you say "in this lifetime"?

r99, 20 - 30 years. Of course, I am more than happy to be proven wrong though.

"Sir John Gielgud remains the only out-at-victory oscar winning actor"

He was not out. He didn't go to great lengths to hide it but he never publicly came out.

R101 he was arrested for fooling around in a public restroom in the 50’s

50s*

r102, correct, I know that - but being outed is not the same thing as being out. Same thing with George Maharis, he was outed in a scandal, but never officially came out.

R88 fangirl culture is a big part of the problem. But Hollywood created and grew that culture because it meant more money coming in for them. It would be up to Hollywood to dismantle it.

Historically, I don't think fangirl culture was as big in Britain. Actors were trained professionals and not random guy-next-door types who were attractive but not the greatest actors necessarily.

Straight guys are to blame as much as fangirls - most people wouldn't give an action movie lead to an out actor

The training of actors might be a bigger problem than fangirl culture or straight guys.

People are more open-minded today but the actor still has to be believable. That's a problem when the U.S. chooses actors based on their looks and connections rather than their professional training and ability.

After the arrest for cottaging Gielgud was obviously glass closeted at best. But he was so respected that 'don't ask don't tell' was the MO from the press. As it was with other stately queens such as Noel Coward, Frederic Ashton, Hardy Amies, friendship with The Queen Mother no doubt helping.

In later life in interviews Gielgud would refer to his 'partner Martin Hensler', with whom he lived. So there was that, plus getting caught cruising, plus never getting close to bearding. Given the times, coming out might have seemed beside the point.

Culture and society has changed and people are much more accepting of gay people than, say, three decades ago. Hollywood and its PR machinery changed as well in the sense that they have adjusted to act gay friendly and gay inclusive. Gielguld was basically out as Ian McKellen is now it's just that it wasn't labeled and called outright gay back then, but those who cared about that part of Hollywood knew what it meant. Even back then there were codes and terms used. You know, like confirmed bachelor (which was used as far back as in Victorian times).

"People are more open-minded today but the actor still has to be believable."

What does any of this have to do with training? Few out actors are given the same opportunity as straight actors, whether they are trained or not

[quote] People are more open-minded today but the actor still has to be believable

But here's the thing. No matter how good an actor is, some people still can't be convinced and they are more than happy to let you know, on social media, that they are not convinced. And there is still a general bias to not only agree with them, but that their opinion is much more valid than those who think the actor was convincing (because, how could he? In real life he's into dudes, not chicks!).

Actors don't have to be classically trained to be believable as straight characters. Rock Hudson wasn't exactly a RADA grad but the public loved him in straight leading man roles

r112, because that was a different time then. Gossip wasn't as wide spread as it is today and the Hollywood PR machinery still controled public perception about Hollywood actors and actresses.

Why would that have anything to do with whether an actor is "trained" or believable or not?

Btw, most people don't "follow" celeb gossip, I know people who were shocked when Kevin Spacey came out

[quote]20 - 30 years. Of course, I am more than happy to be proven wrong though.

Okay, well then those of us who are not that old (I'm 40) may see it in our lifetimes, then.

The way you phrased it - "not in this lifetime" - made it sound like it would be 100 years from now.

It's not about them being gay and not being nominated. It's about them being gay (or queer or bi which is still gay in Hollywood because it knows only straight and not-straight when it comes to sexuality) and not receiving Oscar-type roles because of it.

It's a little bit easier for bisexual or queer actresses.

R116, it seems that in order to be Oscar-nominated as a gay actor, you have to be older & and well-respected.

Eg. Ian McKellen was able to get two Oscar nominations despite being openly gay, but that's probably because he was a well-respected British Knight.

[quote] it seems that in order to be Oscar-nominated as a gay actor, you have to be older & and well-respected.

Or portraying across genders?

[quote] it seems that in order to be Oscar-nominated as a gay actor, you have to be older & and well-respected.

How old do you think I am? *Cough, wheeze, cough cough*

[quote]He’s right. If we now have a black, Asian, latinx and trend quota, why not gay?

HOMOPHOBIA! HOMOPHOBIA! #oscarssostraight

R 98 I agree Kristen was great in Lizzie and she deserved a nod at least for both Clouds of Sils Maria and Still Alice

Ben Whishaw spent like a year in Hollywood competing with James McAvoy for roles and decided he’d rather exclusively play communists, gays, and gay communists on British television

So no openly gay woman has ever won Best Actress either?

Does being out in Lake Cuomo count?

Paging obscure Hattie McDaniels reference.

Career protection is one aspect of why closet cases lie, but many of them may also have family pressure, religious indoctrination issues or personal self loathing that keeps them closeted, like the many closet cases of DL. The K Hart mess shows how homophobia is a Cinderella issue , with nowhere near as much support as race or gender in the movie ( and all other ) industries. Part of the reason gay issues are the poor relation is the ability itself to hide, a black actor is patently a black actor , same for women and so their struggles have more oxygen, but gays can pretend in order to gain success and this is condoned by the system and the public. Pathetic Travolta etc are well known to be gay and tolerated as closet cases, but can you imagine a Denzel ( were he light skinned enough ) doing a reverse Dolezal and getting as much understanding and indeed respect? It's a conspiracy between the closet cases ,the moneymakers and the shitty public that maintains the nasty status quo, so there won't be any out gay leads for the foreseeable future, not 'til the closets and the public grow up, the moneymakers will fall in line when the $$$ are guaranteed .

R13 So no openly gay woman has ever won Best Actress either?

No openly gay woman/man has ever won best actor/actress Oscar.

Emma Stone soon will be a 3 times Oscar nominee and one time winner she wouldn't get any of those nods/wins if she was out.

Let's list the Oscar winning actors who came out afterward or were suspected of being gay.

Jodie Foster, Kevin (yuck) Spacey, Laurence Olivier, Sir John Gielgud

I thought he was amazing in Richard III (1995), but I'm not sure whose place he would have taken for the Oscar. Probably Anthony Hopkins -- I have a soft spot for Mt. Holland's Opus.

Nicolas Cage – Leaving Las Vegas as Ben Sanderson

Richard Dreyfuss – Mr. Holland's Opus as Glenn Holland

Anthony Hopkins – Nixon as Richard Nixon

Sean Penn – Dead Man Walking as Matthew Poncelet

Massimo Troisi – Il Postino: The Postman as Mario Ruoppolo (posthumous nomination)

R1129 I'm not sure whose place he would have taken for the Oscar

Nicolas cage or Hopkins

R128 There are lots of them especially in recent years many acting winners are closeted.

I remember when people thought Jodie would come out in her speech for Silence of the Lambs.

She sort of does in a weird way with the "my blood, my tradition the outcasts"

Didn't he out some actors from those horrible Hobbit movies?

Gielgud was out but he wasn't out out and he was an old man so who gave a fuck? He wasn't on the red carpet with his lover (I assume) He wasn't part of anybody's fantasy of anything.

Gielgud didn't even show up in person to accept his Oscar. that was a rough year for the Oscars. Only one of the four acting winners showed up. (Maureen Stapleton)

Hepburn of course stayed home. I guess Jane Fonda accepting for her father compensated for that lack of stars showing up.

Women directors don't win because their movies suck. Ladybird! So wonderful...Not.

I thought Zero Dark Thirty was great but I didn't really like the Hurt Locker. Kathryn Bigelow can make a good movie so there are some women directors of note.

Young McKellen

He looks cute at r138!

R138 cute kinda looks like Cumberbatch

McKellen was almost 50 when he came out and had a well established, successful career in the notoriously homophobic world of theatre.

I doubt he was expecting the film career he has had and when it began to take off it wasn’t leading man roles he was playing. There was no risk whatsoever for him. Like it or not it is career suicide for young actors in Hollywood to come out. Their career rides on women wanting to duck them and men wanting to be them. Nothing has changed in the industry or with the majority of film goers prejudices.

He knows exactly why no out gay man has been nominated. Good that he mentions it, I guess, but hardly radical. He’s working in one of the most corrupt, sexist, homophobic industries in the West.

"There was no risk whatsoever for him."

Disagree, back then even character actors rarely came out.

R133, yes he outed Richard Armitage and Lee Pace from what I rememeber.

^ Without naming them I think

Sir Ian has outed Julie Andrews.

[quote]Like it or not it is career suicide for young actors in Hollywood to come out.

Then why are we constantly told how much things have changed today?

And as an actress recently said, if a large number of young actors in Hollywood came out, wouldn't that change things?

R51 How did Sir Ian's amazing King Lear and hammy Hopkins' King Lear compare to Scofield's unutterably bleak King Lear on screen and Olivier's sad King Lear on TV?

R58 Did the late Sir Alec Guinness have 'the stillness'?

I think McKellen has done just the one nude scene.

Hopkins was really awful as King Lear.

Now he's approaching 80 and doing his vast birthday one-man tour, Sir Ian will become ever more casually pointedly indiscreet. Should be fun.

Ian McKellen has Cats and The Good Liar for 2019 maybe he can win next year and be the first out actor to win Oscar for acting.

I doubt it. It would be suicide for any kind of major career if you want to play lead heterosexuals on TV and film. Also as we've seen major homosexual characters. Please don't give me examples of people who were in the closet when they first established themselves.

I mean if you want Andrew Rannells career then sure. But then it is going to be an even more crowded field of gay best friends.

Hanging out with bryan singer, hes kinda lost his moral authority here

Tom Hardy came out and then when he became a big star he crawled back to the closet as many others did.

Who is he going to out next?

Everybody in town knew about me and the men I had when I won Best Director. The general public was none the wiser, however.

I love Ian but I think he outed Brendan Crazier. I mean he was married with 3 kids but Ian put his foot in it (Movieline). Movieline was a great magazine in the early 90s.

Frazier! Thanks for nothing, spellcheck.

The dad from [italic]Small Wonder[/italic] gaining a pound a year ever since that show went off the air is one thing, but Brendan Frazier getting fat was and is a tragedy.

And it's Fraser, you illiterate cretin!

Brendan Fraser now looking like Rodney Dangerfield is one of the most insane things ever.

[quote]I love him. He doesn't just have fuck you money, he has fuck everybody money and so says what he wants.

He has "fuck younger guys" money which counts for everything!

Get over it.

[quote]Translation - Ian McKellen: 'Why have I never won the best actor Oscar?'

He's right. I was lucky enough to meet him at the Broadway Cares Equity Fights AIDS Annual Flea Market. I got to tell him I thought he was robbed of the Oscar for "Gods & Monsters" which he was signing at the time. He seemed genuinely touched I mentioned it, grabbing both my hands and thanking me. He lost to Robert FUCKING Benigni.

[quote]I love Ian but I think he outed Brendan Crazier. I mean he was married with 3 kids but Ian put his foot in it (Movieline). Movieline was a great magazine in the early 90s.

Wait...what? I mean I know you spelled his name wrong, but Brendan F. is gay?

Last year Oldman, Rockwell, McDormand and Janney but yes all closeted and bearding.

I would be surprised if an actor is not gay

R166, what? Are you serious?

This thread makes me want to go back and relive the 90s. I don't think we appreciated them enough at the time, or got out of them all that we could. Since then there's been no glamour!

R168 Yes.

R56 a closet case is going to win best actor Oscar this year Bradley Cooper

This didn't age well lol

The 90s was somuch fun, Hollywood had real stars back them...not a bunch of Marvel shitheads that no one cares about. The publicist were crazy assholes...all of them covering up bullshit galore. The only thing I have seen in this century that compares is Sandra Bullock and her nutcase husband and her instant adoption of a little brown baby.

R56. Bradley Cooper is NOt winning the Oscar for Best Actor this year--and I'm the dame who will!

Brendan Fraser is possibly bi, if you believe rumors and random stories on the internet. I always take people’s celebrity stories with a grain of salt, you never know who’s telling the truth, but I remember one Brendan story that seemed pretty believable. Back around 2010 someone saw him holding hands with a guy in NYC, and said they were positive it was him. Don’t remember the wording they used, but they said something about them looking happy and romantic. They talked to some old lady coworker of theirs about it, and the old lady said she had seen Brendan “coming in here for years” (never specified where their workplace was) with different men, and it was “common knowledge that he was gay.” I still think he’d be bi over gay though.

[quote] This thread makes me want to go back and relive the 90s. I don't think we appreciated them enough at the time, or got out of them all that we could. Since then there's been no glamour!

You can do that by going to the mall.

[quote]The 90s was somuch fun, Hollywood had real stars back them...not a bunch of Marvel shitheads that no one cares about. The publicist were crazy assholes...all of them covering up bullshit galore. The only thing I have seen in this century that compares is Sandra Bullock and her nutcase husband and her instant adoption of a little brown baby.

In the 1990s we said the same thing about the 1970s.

What happens to these accessory babies when their celebrity or wealthy parents get tired of them? Are they just emotionally fucked up?

Maybe they'll serve their country like Rosie O'Donnell's son.

[Quote] What happens to these accessory babies when their celebrity or wealthy parents get tired of them? Are they just emotionally fucked up?

"Accessory babies" sounds like a 1980s toy line that flopped so hard it didn't even get a cartoon.

That Bill Condon movie sounds juicy. Would love for Mirren and McKellan to return to the Oscars.

R172 Sandra Bullock and her nutcase husband and her instant adoption of a little brown baby.

her merkin not husband

Accessory babies is not a toy line but human trafficking of babies for reasons of status, publicity and attention seeking.

R170, Oldman has been married like 5 times, plus had affairs with women. How possibly can he be gay? McDormand is married, Rockwell has a GF.

Well, it's possible to be an overachiever at being in the closet, R170. Technically, none of the things you've mentioned requires heterosexuality. Some misdirection and deep cover.

Oldman has been with Douglas Urbanski for a long time.

R184 1. lavender marriages are very common is Hollywood .

[quote]Oldman has been married like 5 times

Cary Grant and Judy Garland were both married 5 times and they were both gay. Cruise has married 3 times. Clooney, Pitt, ...

2. have we seen their marriage license? because I have one example for you Jennifer Aniston lied about being married to closeted Theroux. How do we know that she didn't lie about being married to ex gay prostitute Brad Pitt?

marriage doesn't mean anything especially in Hollywood!

Jennifer Aniston and Justin Theroux Might Not Have Been Legally Married

According to reports, there's no marriage license...

Because gay actors have to stay closeted to make it, Ian.

It seem like there's a mafia that pushes closeted celebrities even the least talented closeted celebs make it to somewhere even if it's a lead in a CW show and mediocre ones getting multiple Oscar nominations and lead roles in big movies.

but once someone comes out or is outed they get blacklisted or only offered small roles in films or get as invisible as they can in the music industry

I think even Tom Cruise is kinda blacklisted in Hollywood the only things he has done after the fake romance with Katie Holmes (that relationship was so fake that it outed him to the whole world) are action films produced by Cruise himself nobody casts him in anything anymore.

[quote]he (Harvey Weinstein) said to me that If I was gay or decided to be with a woman especially in public that I’d never get the role of a straight woman or make it as an actress in Hollywood,”

- Cara Delevingne

Just exactly how many openly gay men are there that are good enough to even be in the running?

[quote] If I was gay or [bold]decided to be with a woman especially in public[/bold] that I’d [bold]never get the role of a straight woman or make it as an actress in Hollywood,[/bold]”

Stewart is out as bisexual but she's no longer a star.

WATCH: "Gay Hollywood: The Last Taboo" (Documentary)

Cary Grant and Judy Garland were gays? What's the proof?

Every actor is somewhere on the bi spectrum.

R194 lives under the rock

R186, but Oldman also had affairs with women in between his marriages. Like honestly he is clearly a womanizer but not gay.

fake affairs

So sad that openly gay actors don't get roles in Hollywood let alone the Oscar win but we have so many closeted Oscar winners it's not fair.

All the gay roles go to...whatever they are. Not gay guys. I remember reading that Jack Nicholson was considered for the lead role in Godfather but turned it down because he felt Italian actors should play the role. So they went with virtually unknown Al Pacino. I don’t think gays are given the same courtesy. Also, I don’t think Hollywood would search for an unknown gay actor.

Queen Craig and his lesbian beard who was nominated at Oscar for playing a lesbian!

Nick Nolte gave the superior performance in Affliction when Ian was nominated for Gods And Monsters.

R194, Grant was at least bisexual, probably closeted homo. Judy was mostly heterosexual- but screwed anyone- very much related to her substance abuse problems.

Ian is right! 100%

R202 Nope

Five famous women history outed as lesbian or bisexual

both Grant and Garland were gay and closeted

"And as an actress recently said, if a large number of young actors in Hollywood came out, wouldn't that change things? "

Look, most young actors see their careers vanish before their eyes the instant they have a flop or a scandal, and a new actor getting picked up and being made the new toy, and given all the roles they'd hoped for. So if all the gay young actors in Hollywood came out at once, the studio executives would respond by giving all the good roles going to a new crew, young actors who are just as cute and talented, and willing to play the same old closet games the executives like.

Some of you greatly overestimate the power of actors within the Hollywood. Sure, a tiny number have some power, but most of them are scrambling for the next job, and if the studio executives don't want to hire them then they aren't getting any big money or high profile work. The studio executives are the ones who decide how things are going to be, and they're a timid bunch when it comes to making changes, they want to do whatever's made money before.

R173 You did.

That was worth dredging up, r208.

[Quote] Some of you greatly overestimate the power of actors within the Hollywood.

I thought that would be obvious after what happened with Heavy.

#OscarsSoStraight

Kristen Stewart came out and the only franchise she could get is Charlie’s Fucking Angels.

Robert Pattinson hasn't come out ( not sure is he's gay ) and he can't even get that R212

R213 he's still been working consistently. I'm sure most of the Twilight cast is relieved that the mania has died down.

R212 It's really sad she deserves better.

Malek is obviously gay kissing his beard was so awkward that left no doubt so another closet case won Oscar again!

R213 I don't think he ever comes out.

[Quote] Kristen Stewart came out and the only franchise she could get is Charlie’s Fucking Angels.

Well there was a slight pause in her career after she fucked Rupert Sanders.

Don’t worry Ian, it won’t be you.

Sad that closet case Banderas just won best actor award at Cannes for playing a gay role.

because straight roles are practically unavailable for openly gay actors, they should at least not have to compete with straight + closeted actors over the few remaining gay roles.

R218 but the cheating scandals only helped career of Pitt and Jolie how that works?

I guess If you are a closet case like Jolie/Pitt fake cheating only raise your status :wink:

McKellan was nice when I met him, but he does seem bitter that he didn't win Best Actor for Gods and Monsters.

R213 good news for Pattinson fans he's the new Batman and he plays one of leads in next Nolan film.

Cary Grant was bisexual but repressed (after the early 1930s). Judy was straight but open to lesbian dalliances. It seems highly probably that she might have had one with Katherine Hepburn in the late 1940s, and there are other documented instances of her making a pass at a woman. I think what Judy mostly craved was intimacy, and gender was less important.

Grant was gay everyone knows that.

Grant lived with actor Randolph Scott off and on for 12 years The two met early on in Grant's career in 1932 at the Paramount studio when Scott was filming Sky Bride while Grant was shooting Sinners in the Sun, and moved in together soon afterwards.

Chevy Chase joked on television in 1980 that Grant was a "homo. What a gal!"

Playing it straight: should gay roles be reserved for gay actors?

If Stewart starts dating men fake or real doesn't matter she can win Oscar but if she continues dating women then she's over.

"he does seem bitter that he didn't win Best Actor for Gods and Monsters. "

I can't blame him for that, him losing to Roberto Fucking Begnini really was one of the great Oscar mistakes of the modern era.

If he wasn't gay he would have 3 Oscars by now.

McKellen never really had much of a film career until his later years and he only came out when he was older. He had plenty of time to win an Oscar or 3 in his early years and if he could have been he would have been.

R233 He wasn't out but he didn't have a fake gf and he wasn't in a lavender marriage his lack of gf/wife limited his choices.

Seems relevant